Why Tech Should Still Matter
I am sick of reading the back-and-forth that has developed surrounding the Big 12 South race and had to post my thoughts on it. It's not really an appropriate subject for my blog (Bring On The Cats -- K-State), so I'm posting it here.
Back in 2002, my K-State Wildcats went 11-2 and played in the Holiday Bowl. Big deal, right? Not really. One of those 11 teams they defeated was the USC Trojans. You might remember that year. The Trojans were in their second season under Pete Carroll and had a guy by the name of Carson Palmer who won the Heisman Trophy. K-State defeated USC, 27-20, in Manhattan that season. USC went on to an 11-2 record, but was denied a berth in the Rose Bowl because they lost to Washington State, giving Wazzou the Pac-10 tiebreaker and sending them to Pasadena.
In 2002, K-State endured a bitter loss in Boulder to a Colorado team that went 9-5 and won the Big 12 North. It also lost a heartbreaker at home to Texas, 17-14, on a late field goal. Texas went 11-2 that season and played in the Cotton Bowl. Meanwhile, USC lost on the road to K-State and then in Pullman by a field goal to 10-3 Wazzou.
Of course, USC landed on its feet just fine, thank you, with an at-large selection in the Orange Bowl and an easy thumping of Iowa in Miami. While the Trojans were a very good team that year and had a claim to a BCS bowl, what went into their appearance in Miami is an illustration of one of college football's worst evils and something that is working against Texas Tech right now.
If you are not one of the "chosen" programs, you get the benefit of zero doubts.
In all the buildup to who should have been chosen as a BCS at-large that season, K-State was not mentioned once. With the WWL was all agog over the "return" of USC, everybody was on the Trojans' bandwagon. K-State had, record-wise, an identical season to USC and beat them head-to-head, yet was not even considered for a BCS at-large spot because, well, they're Kansas State.
Fast forward to 2008, and the now tired OU-UT argument about who should play in Kansas City and/or Miami. A lot parties, both pro-UT and supposedly neutral, want Tech eliminated because they lost by 44 to OU last weekend. Sorry, but that's not how it works. In arguing that Texas belongs in front of the BCS race, UT fans argue in part that their loss to Texas Tech was a fluke, inasmuch as it came at the end of a brutal four-game stretch and it took a dropped interception and a "fluke" play by Michael Crabtree with :01 left to drop the Horns. Never mind that getting beaten badly last week by OU was just as much a fluke for Tech as the loss for UT was. Never mind that, rather than luck, Graham Harrell made a perfect throw to Crabtree's back shoulder on that play, and Crabtree is simply the best player in college football this season.
I haven't seen nearly as much politicking from the OU crowd in this debate, probably because they need Texas Tech in the picture. Suffice it to say, all three teams have had incredible seasons, and the fact that we're trying to use logical argument to settle an illogical situation merely illustrates what a farce the BCS is. How ridiculous would it be if OU lost to Oklahoma State this weekend, Texas Tech went to KC and won the Big 12 title, and Texas ended up playing in the national title game? I guess that may be the scenario I root for, because it would surely be the downfall of the BCS, although we've thought that before (ahem, 2001 and 2003, ahem). Sorry, Red Raider fans, you're being screwed by the groupthink that says you don't get a second chance if you're not a "name" program. Join the club.
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You present a valid argument. Similar situations are not going to be resolved until the BCS process is revamped or discarded all together. It amazes me how EVERYONE is saying we need to do things differently, yet the few people who stand to lose money if these chaged were adopting have a stranglehold on the process and see change as bad for them revenue wise.
by JH9821 on
Nov 26, 2008 11:54 AM CST
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You got it right!
The so-called power teams who’s history consists of beauty contest national titles awarded by the media pre-BCS love the BCS. Especially the new BCS where 2/3 of the formula is based on human polls. Were basically under the old system again of having the media crown the champion with a little influence by the many matrices that make up the computer ranking.
I worry that a playoff would ruin the regular season because to me there is not a single sport more exciting than college football. However, the current system favors only the elite teams that get the benefit of the doubt with the pre-season rankings and the temporary amnesia that occurs when they lose.
At this point I’m for giving an 8 team playoff a shot. If it kills the regular season then we tweak it until we get it better. It will never be perfect but we can we do better than this.
by adubb05 on
Nov 26, 2008 1:19 PM CST
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Thank you.
TB, Thank you. Every Conference has 2, and possibly 3, pre-season “standard picks” to which team is going to the BCS Champ. game. Rarely do they pick a non walmart T-Shirt fan-base team, thus providing a false ranking with pre-season hype for the nation.
This year:
Big 12 = Oklahoma, Texas, maybe Missouri (Tech wasn’t in the pre-season picture)
SEC = LSU, Florida & Georgia (Alabama wasn’t in the pre-season picture)
PAC 10 = USC, maybe Cal (like always)
Big 10 = Ohio State, Penn State, maybe Michigan (Missagain, is out…)
ACC = Clemson (biggest pre-season hype this year), Florida State, Virginia Tech (Clemson was out fast..)
Then, if any of the non Walmart T-shirt fan based teams enter the picture, and lose a game, they will drop in the ranking fast. But if it was a walmart T-shirt Fan Base team that has a loss, they only drop in the ranking by a couple of spots.
Example: Florida’s Loss to unranked Ole Miss.
by Tech Pirate on
Nov 26, 2008 2:16 PM CST
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Small disagreement
There were several people nationally picking Tech to win the Big XII and many people predicting Tech in a BCS game in the pre-season. There was even a small group picking Tech to play in the national title game. It’s truly amazing that one loss has that big of a negative impact nationally in perception. The score was the issue we are fighting, now. Had it been a tight game I think there would be much, much more support for Tech.
by Tech92 on
Nov 26, 2008 2:40 PM CST
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I agree to an extent,
however if we’d have lost to an unranked Ole Miss by 1 point would we have fallen as far?
Wes Welker can't be stopped.
by 10forTech on
Nov 26, 2008 2:53 PM CST
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I don't know
simply because that didn’t happen. Remember, when Florida lost it was in late Sept. Lots of time to make it up. We lost in the second to last game of the year by a massive margin. That really tells us how effed up the system is when “when you lose” matters – and everyone has lost, as well. The whole thing freaking sucks because we’ll be the one shut out.
We’ll get shut out, I believe, because:
1. We lost by 44 and took a rather steep fall
2. We lost with one week to play
3. I have my doubts about voters wanting a 44-pt loss team playing for a title
4. We are not Texas or OU and haven’t earned the title of “traditional power” yet
by Tech92 on
Nov 26, 2008 3:21 PM CST
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Great Story
Thanks for that post. As long as we’re using a system with so much subjectivity, stories like yours and ours will continue to occur. What makes yours even worse is that K-State was a known contender in 2002, and had been screwed so bad in 1998.
For programs like ours, you have to win undeniably. You can’t count on a lean from the system.
Let me give you some big program leans:
-UT to the Rose in 2004 after Mack whines
-OU losing 35-7 to KSU, physically dominated on a Neutral Field in the Big XII Championship and still getting to play in the National Title game
-Nebraska losing 62-36 at Colorado, physically DOMINATED, didn’t win THEIR DIVISION, and they play for the National Title.
by RRRaider on
Nov 26, 2008 3:29 PM CST
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Messed up system
I just don’t see how BCS apologists and executives can look the public in the eye and say with a straight face that the system works. It doesn’t.
Trying to set up a game between 1 and 2 is a noble goal. But it’s being gone about in such an uncoordinated was as to lose any credibility. I still, and always will, stand by my thesis that in order to play for a national title, you must win your conference since there’s not a true tourney at the end. If there was, then sure, winning conference may not be as big a factor. Yes, a great team or two will be left out, but there always is and always will be without a bona fide tournament or other mechanism designed to crown a champion.
Here’s how my system would work within the realm of a BCS that won’t be going anywhere before 2014:
1. Top two teams in the final BCS ranking play for the title
2. If one of the top two teams has not won their conference or conference championship game, the next highest rated team per the BCS formula that DID win their conference is the representative in the title game.
Easy as that and it would avoid all this absurd politicing.
Good teams would get left out. But not every one loss team should be considered for the game. Look at all the one loss teams out there…and one very good undefeated Utah who has no chance. If a two loss team makes it, so be it. If they pulled off an upset and were high enough in the BCS to be selected, that’s fine.
Think about it, for a second. If we have an 8 or 10 or 12 team playoff, you’d be including those conf title teams anyway because they’d be high enough in the BCS to make a tourney. Would people bellyache about Penn State winning it all if there was a tourney? Or Tech? Or Utah? Nope.
by Tech92 on
Nov 26, 2008 3:40 PM CST
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on the Nebraska thing
How conveniently you dismiss the fact that two other teams who were in place to contend had to lose games they were supposed to win for Nebraska to get into the national title game.
Go Big Red Nebraska!
Our Cobs Are Bigger Than Yours!
Corn Nation!
by corn blight on
Nov 29, 2008 6:36 PM CST
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Not quite as up to speed on what goes on with the Huskers…just knew it wasn’t a “clean” BCS that year either and that was the point. But thanks for coming out.
by Tech92 on
Nov 30, 2008 9:35 PM CST
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crap si
I just got the new Sports Illustrated. I don’t know why I still get it, don’t really read it and they don’t really have much to say. Anyhow, I still just got it in the mail. What is on the front cover? “Oklahoma Stomps Texas Tech”. Yes, that was true. It happened and it hurt.
My only problem is that the huge wins over UT and OkSt the past few weeks were barely mentioned. People were saying the Harrell to Crabtree catch was the face of college football in 2008, but it was not to be seen on SI. I’m not saying it’s a conspiracy or anything, it just really irks me that by the time they get around to covering Tech, it is at their worst hour.
by pcrawttu on
Nov 26, 2008 3:37 PM CST
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Well
SI had a great article about Tech the week after Texas. Wasn’t the cover story, but it was great nonetheless.
What makes me laugh is the UT people will be FREAKING OUT that OU made the cover with so much happening this weekend. If OU loses, we’re back in it and UT has to beg, plead, bribe and steal to make it. Which, to my never ending consternation, may work.
by Tech92 on
Nov 26, 2008 3:43 PM CST
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Remember this post?
on whether we avoided the bad loss?
Because of all of the hype and national exposure, many people saw the OU game as a bad loss. All of the reasons for a bad loss outlined in the post happened, and Tech wasn’t able to generate any of the things that helped to avoid the bad loss earlier in the season.
Let me be the first to say that I whole-heartedly believe that judging a team based on a single game’s score is no basis for black-balling a team. The snowball effect was in overdrive last week. But I don’t think Tech was too unfairly punshed by the polls (margin of victory is not considered by the computers).
The BCS isn’t perfect. Everybody knows that the rules of the BCS will inevitably give someone the Brokeback Mountain treatment every year – yet we just can’t quit. IMO, the BCS has one advantage over a playoff in that it doesn’t reward a team that gets hot at the end of the regular season as a playoff inevitably would. There are innumerable opinions on how to fix the system, but we all know what they say about opinions.
If OU beats OSU and there is a 3 way tie, there is no clean way to resolve it, so I’m OK with however they decide who goes to the CCG. It’s on us to win our games. We still have had a great season. It would be nice to cap it on a bigger stage than the Cotton or Holiday bowl, but those ain’t too shabby.
As for Tech’s relevance, we’re not going anywhere anytime soon. If we don’t get our shot this year, we’ll have another one soon.
by NM99 on
Nov 26, 2008 3:46 PM CST
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based on the definition we gave
…a game whereby Texas Tech loses to a supposedly inferior opponent or a game whereby it does not appear that Texas Tech was even remotely ready to play.
The OU game was clearly a case of the latter. If you had to choose, would you rather lose small to an inferior opponent, or lose big to an excellent opponent? There is no right answer. In games where you are overmatched talent-wise, your execution must be great to compete. That just didn’t happen.
by djollie111 on
Nov 26, 2008 10:31 PM CST
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obviously losing small to an inferior opponent is not as bad according to pollsters…look at Florida and Penn State and USC. They lost to much inferior teams than OU and are still ranked ahead of Tech, despite Tech’s other victories over top teams.
Oh, or it’s the fact that their names are Florida, Penn State, and Usc
by pcrawttu on
Nov 26, 2008 10:51 PM CST
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I agree that this was a bad loss, based on the not ready to play part. I think we are a much better team than came across on the field. Talent wise, OU has us by a ittle on defense, but on offense, I think it is pretty even. They recruit more skill in the backfield an TE, we have them at WR and slot receivers. QB is pretty even, though Harrell had a bad night.
Florida has the Tebow effect going for them and they play in the SEC. A loss to any SEC team is not seen as “bad” no matter what. Getting blown out by a quality opponent looks bad because it makes you look like you were over matched and that maybe you got where you were by luck. Again, I don’t think this is the case for Tech. We beat Texas and OSU. It’s not like we played in the WAC and OU was the first decent team we have played.
I don’t think there is a team in the country that could have beaten OU in Norman on Senior night after a bye week. The timing and magnitude of the loss is what hurts us when people don’t see every game week in and week out.
by NM99 on
Nov 27, 2008 8:58 PM CST
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Because of our 2nd-tier status among the sports world ‘gurus’, respect is something we’re going to have to earn by cramming it down their throats – probably several times. We had a chance to take a giant step this year but stumbled right at the threshold. We did take a pretty medium-sized step, though. The whole country knows who we are and knows we’re knocking at the door. We’ve just got to do it again and again until we get across.
Besides, who knows if we won’t get another shot at the threshold this year. Even if we don’t, I wouldn’t want to be the bowl team that sees Tech on the other sideline.
by TT_ on
Nov 26, 2008 7:16 PM CST
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Crap S.I. #2
S.I. is making me sick. Last year they had a huge artical on how Missouri beat us and when we stuned O.U. we got a paragraph when we should of got the cover. This year we beat Texas and we got a small artical when we should have got the cover and when O.U. beats us they get the cover and a big artical. I don’t know about you but I’m going to unsubscribe to S.I. because I’m sick of them not relizing how good of a team we are.
by The Masked Rider on
Nov 26, 2008 7:59 PM CST
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$$$$
You have to remember their job is to sell magazines. OU on the cover sells more than TT on the cover. Same with all of the talking heads and radio pundits. It’s all about dollars, so you just can’t take it personally. Texas Tech must be marketable before it gets the cover of a national mag. We see the great storylines, but it will take more success before they can be sold by the msm.
by djollie111 on
Nov 26, 2008 10:36 PM CST
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When this season began
Texas Tech was ranked about 12th in the nation, outside the top 10, but high enough for the “pundits” to say they recognized Tech’s capabilities.
What it really said is “Tech is good, maybe great, but until they win all their games we will not place them in the top 10 of any preseason poll. And, they will not be allowed to rise sharply as, say Alabama, USC or Texas. But if they lose, we will really penalize them because we did not want them in the top 10 anyways”
You were right about respect needing to be earned over a long haul. Until we can continuously show the world that we can beat anyone anytime, every year, for at least ten years, we simply will not receive the respect of those “pundits.”
So, despite their very biased and “quality program” oriented belief system, we must not knock the door down but blow it off its foundation in order for us to be equally recognized. Actually, we probably have quite a few other programs in the same boat (re: KState, TCU, Utah, etc.). Sometimes there will be a particular conference (Big-12 this year) that simply outshines any other. What really needs to happen for equalization to actually be in force (coverage and competition) is for all the writers and coaches to be required to sit down on Monday of each week in a teleconference and discuss openly the merits and the negatives of each contender, with this not even taking place until about the sixth or seventh week of the season. That way, most of the jockeying around during the first few weeks will only solidify the actual merits of the better teams that year. No pre-season hype. No surprises that continue to surprise or simply fall out of sight. That way, early brickorbrack will be minimized and season ending success will be rewarded, even aplauded. One loss by one contending team should NOT count against them any greater than one loss by any other contender.
I am not sure how well this all would work out, but it would probably legitimize the best of the best at season end, making the voting much more accurate, with no glaring errors.
TTpilk
by TTpilk645 on
Nov 26, 2008 11:45 PM CST
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I appreciate this post...
… and the fact that it comes from a KSU fan who can empathize with Tech’s situation. There are still those who argue that the current BCS setup is fine. If that is so, then why is it that year after year, situations arise that are inherently unfair? Why does there have to be so much explaining, politicing and rationalizing? To me, it is crystal clear: A playoff system is the only way to eliminate much of the bias that is entrenched in the current system. It wouldn’t eliminate ALL of the bias – but a good measure of the problems that are so obivous would have a chance to be remedied.
The BCS “National Championship” is all about money, not about getting down to who is really the very best team over the course of an entire season- and therefore it is really only a College Football Lottery. The “favored” teams get much better odds than all the other comers, so much so that the latter’s chances of ‘winning’ the lottery is nearly zero. Until the Championship is decided with a playoff system, the ideal of fairness will be absent from every College Football season. In fairness, extend the season of those top teams – regardless who they are, and let’s see who makes it to the top. In fairness, let those top teams play each other on neutral sites. In fairness, let the championship be decided on the field, instead of inside some computer. We might just be surprised that the traditional powerhouses don’t fair as well as they expect. Remember what happened when “mighty” OU had to play “lowly” Boise State? Surprise!
by natsnagrom on
Nov 27, 2008 12:50 AM CST
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Outside the top 10
If we win against Baylor and pir bowl game then we will finish no lower than 7. And let’s also see what happens in the SEC title game because Alabama could be blown out by Florida. So way too much football to go. Wreck’em Tech Beat Baylor Keep Leach!!!!!
by techgolf44 on
Nov 27, 2008 10:35 AM CST
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Much has happened.....
And much remains to happen. OSU could upset OU, true. Probably not, but maybe. Anyway the season has been great, not much more that we can ask for as a fanbase. That being said, they best way to avoid having to politick is to win ALL of our games. Now we know what we need to do next year, right?
Go Tech!!!
by jwhitettu on
Nov 27, 2008 10:56 AM CST
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$$$$$
Let’s not forget the driving force behind all of the bowls. $$$money, money,money. These commitees are driven to bring the schools that have a fan base that travels, as well as a good team that will put on a “show”. Until a system is figured out that has every conference yeilding a true champion and goes to the play-offs we will never have a non-voted-in National Champ. Either being voted in by the press,coaches,or the computer. I do not see how any of those three can possibly make the declaration absolute.
The press- A large group of analyzers that probably played at the high-school level, if that. And are too tied up in point- counterpoint.
The coaches- truly know the intensity and the dedication it takes to particpate better than anyone, but I bet they don’t watch tapes of all the teams that are ranked in the country and try to determine who’s the best. If they are, they might want to start selecting which school needs an assistant soon. So, I’d say they watch their next opponent tapes more than who they need to vote for.
Computers- Well, all I can say they have their place,Geeks don’t play football and computers can"t weigh human emotion,home field advantage,turnovers, and special players. They can give you averages to the millionths, but they can’t kick a field goal.
Get rid rid of the meaningless warm-up games in the beginning of the season and use the bowl sysytem as a playoff system. We still have 7 days a week, plenty of time for television. In the end you have a true champion and the $$$ wealth is spread.
by dbled on
Nov 29, 2008 9:55 AM CST
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i remain
against a playoff and am perfectly happy with saying it’s doubtful there will be one in my lifetime.
Go Big Red Nebraska!
Our Cobs Are Bigger Than Yours!
Corn Nation!
by corn blight on
Nov 29, 2008 6:38 PM CST
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If I’m not mistaken, the conferences which don’t have a championship game do play a complete round robin and each team plays all the others (though I am not certain of this and don’ t have the inclination to look it up). If that’s the case, that to me is just as solid as a championship game in those conferences that decide to split into divisions.
by Tech92 on
Nov 29, 2008 1:15 PM CST
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Thing thing that bothers me most is that the BCS is determining our division champ. That means voters from the Big East and Wac and God knows where else – guys that have never actually seen a live Big 12 game – are deciding who our champ is. Not to mention the writers who mostly know diddly squat about the game. Add that to the weaknesses mentioned above and we have a crappy system in our conference. Looks like a cop-out by our commissioners in setting up the rules. Besides, Mack Brown is making a fool of himself over the whole deal and makes us all look bad.
by TT_ on
Nov 29, 2008 11:08 PM CST
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Oh please, Mack makes Tech look bad? I think 65-21 and Robert Griffin did that.
You were making a good point until you took an unnecessary swipe at Mack who is, sadly, doing his job considering the current state of things.
FYI, under EVERY OTHER CONFERENCE TIE-BREAKER (BCS conferences), Texas would win the 3-way tie-breaker.
by the1austin on
Nov 29, 2008 11:23 PM CST
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dang
now you really make me root for the land thieves.
by Plano Jeff on
Nov 29, 2008 11:30 PM CST
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I just don't see how Stoops lobbying is fine, but Mack's is an embarrassment to the Big 12
And, Leach was also trying to lobby (stating that Tech should be the highest ranked 1 loss team this week), but Mack has a bigger microphone in Austin.
Once again, Texas wins every other BCS conference tie-breaker. Tech had the best season ever, and are going to the Cotton Bowl while Utah, Boston College, and Cincinnati are going to the Orange and Fiesta Bowls. OU will probably win the South despite losing to Texas on a neutral field by 10 points.
At least we can all agree that the BCS sucks.
by the1austin on
Nov 29, 2008 11:39 PM CST
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Don’t root for the Sooners. People might mistake you for a UT fan.
Wes Welker can't be stopped.
by 10forTech on
Nov 30, 2008 10:11 PM CST
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But dude…the Big XII isn’t every other conference. You think they’ll change the rules today for your benefit?
by Tech92 on
Nov 30, 2008 9:36 PM CST
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Didn't say they would, nor should they
Just pointed out that the Big 12 rules suck (and Dan Beebe said the tie-breaker will be changed in the off-season).
by the1austin on
Dec 1, 2008 2:46 PM CST
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Scoreboard!
We won, you lost. Better luck next year…
Wes Welker can't be stopped.
by 10forTech on
Dec 1, 2008 7:50 PM CST
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Great
Let’s change another rule because UT bitched about it.
We'll carry the banner high!
Bring On The Cats
by TB on
Dec 1, 2008 10:30 PM CST
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To TB
I haven’t seen nearly as much politicking from the OU crowd in this debate, probably because they need Texas Tech in the picture. Suffice it to say, all three teams have had incredible seasons, and the fact that we’re trying to use logical argument to settle an illogical situation merely illustrates what a farce the BCS is. How ridiculous would it be if OU lost to Oklahoma State this weekend, Texas Tech went to KC and won the Big 12 title, and Texas ended up playing in the national title game? I guess that may be the scenario I root for, because it would surely be the downfall of the BCS, although we’ve thought that before (ahem, 2001 and 2003, ahem). Sorry, Red Raider fans, you’re being screwed by the groupthink that says you don’t get a second chance if you’re not a “name” program. Join the club.
Very well done, sir. Great write-up. No doubt about it, the “name” programs get breaks that others do not. Though, it is interesting that even those elite programs can feel slighted. USC feels like they are getting jobbed this year. Texas feels like they are getting screwed. When it comes down to it, we all have a chance to win every game we play. And that is what makes college football great. Tech, big school or not, was 45 points away from a MNC appearance.
Also, in 2002, you fail to mention that Texas (11-2 with a head to head win over your Wildcats) did not get an at large bid either. Texas was sent to the Cotton where Roy Williams & Co.beat up on LSU.
by the1austin on
Nov 29, 2008 11:28 PM CST
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respectfully, TB
not disagreeing with your case that there is a bias towards some schools, but didn’t the situation you outline include USC losing a tie-breaker for the Pac-10 Championship with Wazzou? IOW, USC was invited to the BCS as the co-conference champions, while Kansas State was ignored as a team that couldn’t even win its own division.
by Beergut on
Nov 30, 2008 4:40 PM CST
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Yes, it does. But as I said in the initial post, I’m not disputing that USC had an argument for a BCS bowl that season. They had a very good season, losing only to a very good K-State team and the Pac-10 champions, Wazzou. The argument as to the fact that USC lost a tie-breaker while K-State didn’t even win its division is also valid, although the difference between the Big 12 and Pac-10 render that argument less effective, at least in my mind. Colorado went 7-1 in conference play that season, while OU went 6-2 and won the South. K-State had the second-best record in the conference, and just as good of a record as the overall champion (although that argument is weakened by the fact that the Big 12 doesn’t play a round-robin like the Pac-10 does).
In the end, my beef was with the fact that USC was immediately and undisputably anointed the chosen school for a BCS at-large appearance, while a team that beat them head-to-head and had an identical record was not even mentioned. Also, for the1austin, remember that in all the situations you mention, the “name” program was beaten out by another “name” program. If you can find me a situation where a “name” program was beaten out by a “non-name” program, you will be breaking news to me.
We'll carry the banner high!
Bring On The Cats
by TB on
Nov 30, 2008 10:22 PM CST
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Don’t worry about that guy, TB. He’s just another UT troll whose big on talk and short on facts.
by TT_ on
Nov 30, 2008 10:40 PM CST
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Very good point
Which is being compounded by Fair Weather Tech fans who can not stand up and at least give a fight on their own blog about why the Red Raiders should go to the BCS.
What we have is a Bunch of whipped dogs meekly accepting the beat down of the Texas machine because they do not know how to stand up for their own program.
Well, its time that the fans grew up and stand up to the bully Texas and Demand the rights that Tech should have.
I do not mind losing out on the BCS. But I its just plan sad and wrong to have fans who say they stand for the program trash it and allow the crap that Texas fans say.
Look, TTech has every right to go to the Fiesta. But if the Fiesta Bowl selection committee sees that the Texas Tech fans are resigned to go to the Cotton then it makes their choice easy to select Texas because they see it as a way to satisfy both schools.
Make the Fiesta have to make the hard choice. Let them have to really put to pen the economic issues of ticket sales which burned many of team out of the BCS in many a year.
Texas Tech wins the economic arugument if we are willing to fight the fight!
by Pablo M on
Dec 3, 2008 3:38 PM CST
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What an absurd post, Pablo. I would be willing to guess there’s not a single person on the Fiesta Bowl committee that knows this blog exists; and they sure as heck don’t read the one’s they do know exist. It’s being mature about the situation we’re in. Texas isn’t in the Big XII and the howled long and loud.
But pull your head out of the sand. When TTU strings together three or four seasons like this, then we can talk. As far as anyone knows, this is a one time thing. I don’t think it is, but proof is in the pudding. It’s not giving up; it’s just not being a dolt about it.
by Tech92 on
Dec 6, 2008 4:29 PM CST
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Fight all you want...
…but if Texas ends up in the top 4 in the BCS, fights over. BCS rules dictate they get an at-large bid. Big 12 champ gets automatic bid. No more than 2 teams from a conference can be represented in BCS games.
by natkcole on
Dec 3, 2008 6:27 PM CST
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