Cotton Bowl?

by crabtreeforheisman on Nov 28, 2008 12:00 PM CST Comment 33 comments

I just read that the cotton bowl was interested in Tech for the annual New Years day bowl. Are you kidding me? I refuse to believe that Tech can have this magical season and be placed in a 10 AM bowl against a 7-4 Ole Miss team. Now don't get me wrong the Cotton Bowl is a respectable bowl game but after going 11-1 and beating 3 top 25 teams in a row and #1, it just doesn't seem right!

If OU wins then they will go to the Big 12 and most likely go to the NC unless an upset against Missouri. Now that leaves Tech and UT for the at large bid for a BCS game. This is where UT fans who clamored for the head to head game to matter comes into play. I do believe that Tech should get a at large bid over UT because yes we did beat UT 39-33, lest we forget.

If OU loses then it sends Tech into the Big 12 championship. If Tech loses then fine go ahead and send us to the cotton bowl with 2 losses. However, if Tech wins then there is only two possibilities in my mind and only one that can be made by any rational human being. 1) Tech wins and goes to the NC game. 2) Tech wins and goes to a BCS and Texas goes to the NC game. I really don't think I need to spend any time on why #1 makes the most sense.

So sorry UT. The only way you are sneaking into the NC game is if OU loses and then Tech loses in the Big 12 game. No matter how many stupid signs yall make.

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I agree with you totally on this one. I tried having a debate with some UT fans over at Burnt Orange Nation Blog about this, and he just kept going back to our loss with OU. I’m not blind and know it was a very bad loss, but as I presented information to them and showed all the positive things Tech had going for them, they refused to acknowledge that Tech would belong over UT, if the scenario played out of OU losing and Tech going on to beat Mizzou in KC for the Big12 Title. All they would say was that Tech lost big and that their LOSS to Tech was not that big of deal because it was close. Take a look at it if you want:

http://www.burntorangenation.com/2008/11/27/674472/never-thought-of-this

All of a sudden the overall season doesn’t matter and only the “quality of losses”. This coming from the fans who bitched and moaned about their “gauntlet” schedule for 4 weeks. If Tech were to beat Mizzou (on “neutral” field in KC, MISSOURI), their SOS would be comparable to UT. But that does not matter now, nor does Tech’s head-to-head win, 39-33. They would not admit that Tech would EARN better bowl status. Their hypocrisy was quite frustrating and details only matter to them when they are to their own benefit. I guess this is what we get for trying to compete with “THE” Univ. of Texas.

by pcrawttu on Nov 28, 2008 12:30 PM CST reply actions 0 recs

yep, it looks to be this way

it is very hard to swallow that cincinatti is in a bcs, and we will not be! BCS rules are lame. Regardless, we need to root hard for OSU tonight, because that changes everything

by johnlaf13 on Nov 28, 2008 2:44 PM CST reply actions 0 recs

Here’s the best way to debate our win over Texas and I have used this over numerous friends of mine who are Texas Homers/graduates and still fail to acknowledge our 39-33 win in Lubbock.

I reference to last year’s Super Bowl: the New England Patriots went 16-0 through the regular season. They went through a gauntlet of quality teams to get to 18-0 and get to the grand Stage the super Bowl. They played the New York Giants who were underdogs. We all know how this game ended….Eli Manning rallies his team and throws for a TD and beats the Patriots.

Just like the Patriots, UT fans are still clamoring they should have won the game on many points, but here’s some key point to note:
1) Why did Texas leave a 1:29 left for Tech knowing we can score in any 2 minute offense? Pats gave Eli Manning almost 4 minutes with the lead.
2) If Gideon would have intercepted the tip Harrell pass, the game would have been over. True…..Assante Samuel of the Pats had an Eli Manning pass go right through him hands similar to Gideon.
3) Texas went through a brutal schedule….so did the Pats (which is called the playoffs). Just to remind Texas fans, we played Kansas, Texas, Oklahoma State before losing to OU.
4) UT lost key players in the game—Orakpo comes to mind. The Pats D were all recovering from injuries—Rodney Harrison comes to come. Someone remind me that injuries do happen in games.

Basically my point is any team can win on any given Saturday (or Sunday)…that is why we play the game. You play to win the game (quoting Herm Edwards)! You take your wins and losses as what they are….not involve votes, polls, quality of losses, strength of schedule.

Let their fans show their “45-35” posters, politic shamelessly, and deep pocket alums sway voters…..we won on November 1st and that is something the University of Texas will never take away from us.

Go Tech! Wreck Em…..

by WreckerRaider on Nov 28, 2008 2:46 PM CST reply actions 0 recs

so you think that a team that got beat 65-21 deserves to go to the BCS?

45-35

by Hook'em13 on Nov 28, 2008 3:26 PM CST reply actions 0 recs

Well,

At least two of the teams in the BCS are going to be two-loss teams, by virtue of their conference championship’s automatic bids. You’re asking the wrong question, especially given that Margin of Victory is specifically excluded from the BCS algorithms. So does a team with one loss deserve to be part of a BCS that excludes the margin of that loss? Yes, yes, a thousand times yes, and definitely over a Horns team if we get the help we need from Oklahoma State.

by mojavereject on Nov 28, 2008 3:53 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

If it comes down to Texas-Tech, Tech wins

because they won head to head. The same cannot be said for a 3-way tie.
Margin of lost-
Texas-6
^ at night, away, after a crazy four game run, last play of the game.
Oklahoma-10
^ Neutral site.
Tech-44
^ At night, away, after a crazy three game run, had a bye week.

Advantage-Texas

45-35

by Hook'em13 on Nov 28, 2008 4:29 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Do I thnk Tech is more deserving than a Big East/Big Ten/ACC/Pac Ten/MWC champion?

Yes. The Pac ten champion will most likely be a 3 loss osu team.
MWC will be a undefeated nobody.
Big East will have a 2 loss team.
ACC will be a 3 loss shitty team.
Big Ten will be a 1 loss penn state with horrible strength of schedule.
Tech will have just gone through the toughest Conference/division in college football, and made it through with one loss.

Advantage-Tech

Right now, all of those teams will get to go to the BCS while Tech will (possibly) be going to the cotton bowl.

we need a playoff, now more than ever.

45-35

by Hook'em13 on Nov 28, 2008 4:36 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

And that pretty much sums it up.

by mojavereject on Nov 28, 2008 5:31 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Universities such as the University of Texas...

one of the “haves” are the very reason there is no playoff. There will be no playoff system until the “haves” get hurt enough to start making the change. The “have nots” will never matter enough to change things by themselves.

(That being said… the only real justice will be for Okie State to beat OU – somehow, someway, and Tech to get the chance to play their way into a BCS game. What irony! A team actually having to PLAY their way into a better Bowl?? What a quirky idea! Today’s real contenders expect to be chosen – right UT and OU??)

Short of that, I strongly prefer seeing UT in the BCS championship over the Sooners – but no one will be able to convince me that the Longhorns deserve it more than Tech – no way no how.

by natsnagrom on Nov 28, 2008 9:24 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

UT getting "hurt" by the BCS

2001 (did it to ourselves), 2002, 2003, and ALMOST 04.

As far as Tech being ahead of Texas, they are, I don’t think Tech is better than Texas, but they beat us head to head.

Tech “playing” their way into the game, that is a joke. Tech’s schedule doesn’t even compare to our schedule, Tech played two division 11 programs.

And they had a bye before OU (and only a three game gauntlet), we had to play our four game gauntlet in a row with no rest. (and lost on the last play of the game, not by 44)

45-35

by Hook'em13 on Nov 29, 2008 11:40 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Well, you’re not good at math…Kansas – ranked top 20…UT ranked #1…OSU ranked #9…OU ranked #5. I’d say that’s four. Yeah, we had a break. Blame the conference on that and it’s just timing more than anything. You barely beat OSU at home. We stomped them at home. It’s all about the same, whether you want to agree or not. Go to BON if that’s the only thing you can bring here.

But the fact is if OU wins out, you’re not playing for anything but the same thing the rest of us are…recruiting fodder.

by Tech92 on Nov 29, 2008 12:38 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

kansas has 5 losses now

Your “four” game gauntlet turns out to be a three game gauntlet.
I’m looking at it from now, all of those foes that Texas played are still ranked in the top 25.
Only 3 of those that Tech played are still in the top 25.

45-35

by Hook'em13 on Nov 29, 2008 3:06 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Well, UT is at least playing for a BCS Bowl championship...

A chance to go 3/3 in BCS games while Tech is off to the CoTTon. So, yeah, no titles this year, but at least our game isn’t on at 8 in the morning against Ole Miss. You know? I think Tech should be in the BCS (above ACC, Big East Champ, and Utah), but Texas can at least look forward to Colt & Co. coming back next year with a more experienced team. Tech’s window closed, and won’t challenge for a Big 12 title for another few years.

by the1austin on Nov 29, 2008 11:47 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

hook em

looks like our 4 game stretch was harder then yours since Kansas just beat Missouri…or does it not count since they won on a last minute play?

"Once in awhile, a pirate can beat a soldier"

by crabtreeforheisman on Nov 30, 2008 11:18 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

We beat Kansas too.....

On the road… without a bye week. That was game 5 of our 5 game stretch. We just didn’t include it since KU had been exposed against Tech, OU, and everybody else…..

by the1austin on Nov 30, 2008 11:28 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

As much as

a team that lost on their home field to a team with a losing record

by NM99 on Nov 29, 2008 8:21 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

in regards to a team losing 65-21 going to a BCS bowl

by NM99 on Nov 29, 2008 8:22 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Cotton Bowl will be at 1p. CST on Jan. 2. Only three bowls that day (at 1, 4 and 7 pm). Not the BCS, but not bad either if that’s what we get.

by Tech92 on Nov 28, 2008 4:22 PM CST reply actions 0 recs

That is good news

The Cotton notoriously starts way too early in the morning.

by the1austin on Nov 30, 2008 12:14 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Good comments...

All make points. All are valid. I say, OU loses…. we BCS bowl. OU wins, Maybe. Maybe. Probably pickin’ Cotton

Go Tech!!!

by jwhitettu on Nov 28, 2008 5:19 PM CST reply actions 0 recs

Still in the conversation

When was the last time we were really in this position? 1976 would be last time and you gotta think that burns OU, UT up! They always get the benefit of the doubt and they have all 4 and 5 star players so why are they still in this mess? Well guess what this is a new age and Tech will be around for years to come so get used to it !!!!!! I want a BCS bowl but not matter where we bowl we must win decisively!!!!!! Remember in the last Calendar year we are 12-1, 5-1 against top 20 teams and 3-1 against top 10 teams! Not your same old TECH! Wreck’em Tech Beat Baylor Keep Leach

by techgolf44 on Nov 28, 2008 7:39 PM CST reply actions 0 recs

You have to remember that ‘fair’ has nothing to do with it. UT will always pretend they didn’t really get beat. They will always use convoluted logic to convince themselves that they deserve everything and nobody else deserves anything. That’s who they are, no different than USC or Alabama or any of the traditional bullies. If they can’t win on the field, they resort to politics and fanciful PR campaigns. They have always had the power and they won’t give it up easily. They are driven by greed just like all the traditional powers. But that’s not all that drives them.

If we had a playoff, they would have to do their talking on the field and they don’t want to risk that. To heck with the millions, it’s fear that prevents a playoff – fear of an honest result uninfluenced by good old boy politics, fear of a level playing field where all the hype in the world doesn’t matter, and fear of coming to Lubbock.

by TT_ on Nov 28, 2008 10:36 PM CST reply actions 0 recs

If OU wins and we win, Texas has a real hypocritical issue on their hands. OU would get the conf championship and likely win – shutting Texas out of the national title game without a doubt. Then it could be down to Texas and Tech.

I have no question that some voters would say, “Okay, we were ready to use 45-35 in favor of Texas should there be a tie. There is a tie between Tech and Texas…let’s use Longhorn logic on this and say 39-33…Tech wins out over Texas.”

I don’t know if that would happen, but it’s not impossible. Texas really should have thought more about their campaign.

by Tech92 on Nov 29, 2008 10:44 AM CST reply actions 0 recs

With their 50% graduation rate

thought isn’t real big in Austin. Just big dumb guys who run fast when somebody tells them to [visions of Forrest Gump].

by TT_ on Nov 30, 2008 7:25 AM CST reply actions 0 recs

Graduation rates?

Really? Is that what Tech has brought this down to? And weren’t you the same one who said Mack’s lobbying was embarrassing the Big 12? And going to graduation rates is what you get to?

by the1austin on Nov 30, 2008 11:29 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Once (if) you graduate from high school, the word will take on a more significant meaning. 39-33

by TT_ on Nov 30, 2008 2:58 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Well, it's the NCAA

All players’ first job in college, playing sports or not is to MAKE THEIR GRADES AND GRADUATE. Why not reward the players for sticking to their PRIMARY GOAL as a STUDENT ATHLETE? It makes perfect sense. Deciding the 3 way tie by BCS ranking doesn’t work, because the team that lost last is out first. Instead of rewarding teams who make it to their 2nd to last game until they lose, they automatically write them off the list, favoring UT and OU teams who lost in the 7th and 9th weeks of their schedule, not the 14th week. Don’t give me that 44 point loss crap, the BCS doesn’t take margin of victory into account, only W’s and L’s. And yes, Mack’s lobbying is embarrassing to the Big XII, because he just bellyaches and whines about how unfair it is to not include “THE” Univ. of Texas in the BCS mix, because they’re ALWAYS a good team and they’re the Dallas Cowboys, New York Yankees, New Zealand All Blacks, Detroit Red Wings, Chicago Bulls (with MJ), Lady Volunteers (basketball), and/or Tiger Woods of college football AND SOMEHOW THEY GET IN. I hate Bob Stoops and he lobbies almost just as much, but at least he’s somewhat sensible, though delusional.

by techfan5730 on Nov 30, 2008 4:01 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

just want to point out that the cotton bowl, this year, is on the 2nd of January at 2:00 pm.

just sayin.

by kayakyakr on Nov 30, 2008 1:43 PM CST reply actions 0 recs

The great south

It suck that Tech will not go to a BCS bowl after a 11-1 season but we have to face it , we played in a great division that has three 11-1 teams. Only two will go to a BCS game (one being the NC). Tech vs an SEC team in the Cotton Bowl not at 10 am (thank god). Face it the loss at OU really hurt us.

Go Tech.

by GPD on Nov 30, 2008 1:49 PM CST reply actions 0 recs

I Know...

Let’s just combine Texas, OU, and Tech to form a SUPER TEAM. We can call them the Texoma Red Soonhorns.

BCS NATIONAL CHAMPIONSHIP PREDICTION:

Texoma Red Soonhorns: ridiculously large number, probably in the upper hundreds
Poor SEC team: 0

by techfan5730 on Nov 30, 2008 4:04 PM CST reply actions 0 recs

Tech should get the BCS birth

The right thing will be to give Tech the BCS birth, because in the head to head Tech beat out UT. Also, a higher ranked Cal was passed on for a lower ranked Texas a few years and then Cal lost to Tech in the Holiday bowl the same year. This UT team is like that Cal team, over rated. They will make a mockery of the big XII when they play another team in the BCS, so UT needs to go to Cotton and Tech needs to get to a BCS bowl.

by jef on Nov 30, 2008 7:53 PM CST reply actions 0 recs

Except that Tech only barely beat UT. If Colt had been a little less efficient moving the ball up the field, the game would have been different. If that interception at the end had been caught the outcome would have been different. UT went into the hole against OU and you, but we had the heart to fight back. Tech went into the hole against OU, and you curled up in a little ball and let OU kick on you. You didn’t just loose to OU, you got embarrassed, and right there front and center on national TV. The whole of Texas got embarrassed by your showing. Even the Aggies managed to do better against OU. And Baylor almost took you down yesterday, and made this whole argument pointless. Tech is the Gonzaga of College Football.

by HornsRule on Nov 30, 2008 11:01 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs