Texas...fight?

by Tech92 on Nov 30, 2008 4:26 PM CST Comment 24 comments

OU deserves all that they are receiving right now. They played their way into a chance to earn a national title. Texas, as good as they were this season, is left with a pretty good consolation prize in a BCS bid. But dangit, Texas is the best, right? They beat OU 45-35 on a neutral field...Lord, how could we possibly forget that?

What killed Texas was losing to a lousy and pathetic joke of a #7 team. Tech sucks, a lot, if what I have read on BON is accurate. They don't even deserve to be mentioned in any logical and rational football discussion. So really, Texas is lucky to be where they are based on such a bad (and let's not forget lucky) loss to a weak team at the end of a stretch of games where they beat KU, pasted OSU at home. Oh, wait. They didn't paste OSU...that same team that Tech demoralized at home and the same team that OU laid 61 on on the road...but that game back in the second week of October is the ONLY thing a voter should think about. Disregard everything that happened in between...including 39-33.

At the end of the day, we are on the outside looking in. But not because of anything Texas did...it's what we didn't do.

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Very Nice

Whether the Teasips like it or not, the Fiesta Bowl is now between the 2 co-winners of the South Big 12. So what will be the decieding factor? If it is head to head which Texas has been calling for then Hello Red Raiders!! So let’s just see how the Big 12 Title game plays out and since the Fiesta Bowl reps were in Lubbock for the Texas and OSU game I think it is still very much up in the air who plays in the Fiesta from the Big 12!
Wreck’em TECH Keep Leach

by techgolf44 on Nov 30, 2008 4:46 PM CST reply actions 0 recs

Sorry man, I understand you guys aren't familiar with BCS rules (and understandably so)

But a team ranked in the Top 4 is guaranteed a BCS birth. Texas is guaranteed a BCS birth regardless of what happens next week. Tech should announce today sometime that they are going to the Cotton Bowl.

by the1austin on Nov 30, 2008 4:52 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

That might be

the single most condescending thing I’ve seen written on a blog in a long, long time. What an ass

by DoubleB on Nov 30, 2008 7:38 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

I understand you guys aren't familiar with the English language (and understandably so)

berth: a place, listing, or role
birth: an act or instance of being born

by jeraco on Dec 1, 2008 10:47 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Yikes. Oops. Well done.

by the1austin on Dec 1, 2008 2:57 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

92, Texas had a case. Don't fault the Longhorns for trying to make it.

You guys have said all along that if OU would have lost yesterday, Texas Tech would have to have gotten the nudge over a Texas team they beat and who didn’t win the conference title. Had OU lost last night, Tech fans would have been doing the same things Texas fans did. They would have downplayed their loss and played up the positives of their argument.

If you guys beat Texas on a neutral field, then lost to OU by 6 at night on the road, and then watched Texas obliterate OU, and then surpass you guys on the last weekend of the season, you would be rightfully upset.

Regardless, you guys are upset because Texas fans believe the win in Lubbock was a fluke. We do. Texas doesn’t expect to lose to Texas Tech, at home or away, the same way most Tech fans don’t expect Tech to beat UT. There is a reason the Tech students rushed the field 3 or 4 teams, because it was an upset. While Tech was ahead most of the game, when it came down to it, Texas was one play away from victory. But, Tech made that play. Tech won. and UT lost. Yes, Tech can say that in their greatest season ever, they accomplished one thing: They knocked Texas out of the MNC. Congrats on that. If only that came with a trophy.

But to slam Texas for being upset when a team they beat, on a neutral field, is advancing over them is ridiculous on your part. You guys can’t complain that OU is going since OU completely destroyed you. We have to see a team we beat move past us because the voters believe they know better than what we all saw at the RRS. This will go down as one of the biggest BCS screw-ups in history, but it will be a debate over Texas and OU.

by the1austin on Nov 30, 2008 4:58 PM CST reply actions 0 recs

The only thing I was sure of was that if OU lost, Tech would advance to the Big XII title game. If that was won, then a BCS game. Which one? I would have not the slightest idea and never claimed to.

by Tech92 on Nov 30, 2008 6:09 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Dude your whole post is bashing UT for making an argument...

I just wanted you to see that if Tech was our position, you would have to do the same thing. Lobbying sucks, but under this current BCS system, it is a necessary evil.

by the1austin on Dec 1, 2008 2:59 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Again...

Just like the rest of the UT camp, you refuse to look at what the records indicate. The records show a 3-way tie. A tie doesn’t care if a game occurred on a neutral field, at home or on the road. A tie doesn’t care about margin of victory or loss. A tie is a tie, no matter how you want to skew it into your favor. Just like it doesn’t make sense for your camp to argue the point of the UT-OU score, it wouldn’t make sense for us to argue the Tech-UT score or OU to argue the OU-Tech score. Those are all irrelevant in a 3-way tie. What part of that logic is lost on you? When Tech started pointing out the Tech-UT score, it wasn’t in a politicking attempt, as your campaign was, because we were well aware that no amount of politicking would put us above either OU or UT in the polls. We lost at the wrong time of the year. It was just to show that it wasn’t a two-horse race because, if it was, we would win over you. But grasping parody is not a strong suit of the UT faithful.
And, by your logic, when Texas goes to a BCS bowl (whether automatic or not..another benefit of WHEN you lost), that should be decried as the biggest BCS screw-up in history…because now we are watching a team we beat go to a BCS bowl while we get sent to the Cotton Bowl. So how do you justify that?
In all actuality, if true logic were in place and not opinion, we would all be tied in the rankings. The problem is that we would still have to break that tie and for you. this time, the opinions of the masses actually didn’t agree with you.
In the end, I would say that I don’t understand why you persist in this forum even though your beef should be with OU, but I do. Your comments attempting to belittle us with your history and back-handed compliments show that you are needing to feel good about yourself and need an easy target. Not uncommon. Just accept that you lost in a game you were even lucky enough to be in it at the end. And if Texas wins next year, guess what, we’ll tell you “good game” and move on to the next game. Why is that so hard for UT to do? And you wonder why people harbor such spite for your camp. I never thought it would be so bad that people in Texas would actually cheer when an Oklahoma team ended up on top.

by TracySaulRulz on Nov 30, 2008 8:29 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Great point.

Tech should be pissed that UT is going to the Fiesta over them. UT is going because of a rule that was put into place to guarantee a Top 4 team that doesn’t win its conference title doesn’t get the shaft (I think it was after K-State got robbed, can’t recall).

If Tech fans had a chance to protest the fact that Texas is going to a more attractive bowl, despite the fact that Tech beat them, I would have no problem with that. I was simply pointing out to 92 that it is silly for him to bash Texas fans for complaining about, in our mind, getting screwed by the BCS,

Man, we weren’t cheering for OU to be on top. Quite the opposite. I wanted Texas to get into the MNC, no matter what. I felt the best way for that to happen was for OSU to beat Oklahoma. Tech would win the Big 12, but wouldn’t have nearly enough strength in the computers or in the polls to pass Texas (yes, that would have been an injustice, but one where we came out on top).

Anyways, best of luck this bowl season…

by the1austin on Dec 1, 2008 2:57 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

The only thing that was a fluke about the Tech win in Lubbock was that the Horns almost had a chance to win...

I understand you have a different reality and you can enlighten us about what Texas fans do or don’t believe, but please don’t imagine you know what most Tech fans expect.
For the record, most Tech fans do expect Tech to beat UT. In Lubbock, or in Austin, or on a neutral field…. We don’t ever expect it will be easy, but we expect to win.
So maybe we go to the Cotton Bowl this year. That’s OK, we’ll still have more to shoot for next year.
Yes, we probably knocked Texas out of the National Championship game. I don’t mind that at all. You guys will get to live with that for the rest of the year.
And we’re not going to go away. You’re going to have to beat us on the field in order to stake a claim at some kind of real championship. You’re not going to be able to get there by a bunch of talk or politics. We’ll look forward to the challenge in Austin next year.

by Houston Raider on Nov 30, 2008 6:03 PM CST reply actions 0 recs

The BCS and the Big XII Conference just screwed a team

that has traditionally benefitted from these two institutions’ built-in biases and imperfections. Incidentally they also screwed a team that has never found favor, but you’re probably going to hear more about the former. I’ll be over here in the corner, patiently waiting for the 45-35 PR campaign to retool itself into an advocacy for a fair system that will actually help prevent unfortunate situations like this, rather than simply pushing for the Longhorns to be the beneficiary of the flaws and biases.

by mojavereject on Nov 30, 2008 6:17 PM CST reply actions 0 recs

Can a Texas Ex get in on this?

I’ll be over here in the corner, patiently waiting for the 45-35 PR campaign to retool itself into an advocacy for a fair system that will actually help prevent unfortunate situations like this, rather than simply pushing for the Longhorns to be the beneficiary of the flaws and biases.

proud to swim home

by learned hand on Nov 30, 2008 6:51 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

My bandwagon is empty

but everyone’s welcome. We have punch and pie.

by mojavereject on Nov 30, 2008 10:44 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Speaking of . .

I wonder how Jeff Tedford voted today.

by DoubleB on Nov 30, 2008 7:42 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Good Question

UT leapfrogged Cal, but Tech is the one haunting his most horrific night fevers.

proud to swim home

by learned hand on Nov 30, 2008 7:51 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

MY HONEST OPINION

As a big Raider fan firstly,, , I honestly think right now OU is #1 and Texas a close#2. It will never happen but they ought to be playing each other in the BCS champ game. that being said,,at a minimum,, playing in Big 12 champ game…[ Missouri w/ 3 losses is not going to help any B12 south team in the bcs rankings, other than get some key players injured for nothing, before the bowls begin, GO TECH P.S .—— RUFFIN please spend this winter with SOME REAL DEF. COORDINATORS, either at OSU. OU OR TEXAS AND TRY TO LEARN SOMETHING

by DR.MARK on Nov 30, 2008 7:50 PM CST reply actions 0 recs

Got it all wrong

Texas gets no automatic bid to nothing other than if OU loses to Missouri. Then they would go to the NCG being ranked 3rd in the country right now.

OU win against Missouri could send Tech to the Fiesta. Because by rule, its possible. Because the rules say its so.

No #3 Texas can not point to being #3 to get anything from the Fiesta as an automatic bid. It does not exist. The Fiesta Bowl gets to choose who it wants who is ranked 12th or better from the Big 12. Thus Texas or Texas Tech can go to the Fiesta. Thus its time for everyone to point out how much more money Tech fans spend than Texas fans historically! That will impress the Fiesta Bowl people and Tech can get to the Fiesta.

by Pablo M on Dec 1, 2008 5:19 AM CST reply actions 0 recs

Afraid not

Here’s the process: http://www.bcsfootball.org/bcsfb/eligibility
A 3 or 4 ranked Texas will be automatic if there are open spots after the other qualifying conference champs. See rules 5 and 6 under Automatic Qualifiers. The only way Texas is left out of the BCS is if Missouri wins the conf. championship and Oklahoma is somehow still ranked higher (chance of both of those happening = .00000). Since only 2 teams from any conference can be in a BCS bowl, it looks like TTU is out no matter what happens. If I’m wrong, please point it out, but I just don’t see any scenario that makes it possible for us to get into a BCS game.

We most likely will get the chance to blow up some SEC team in the Cotton Bowl, so it’s time to get ready for that…

by jeraco on Dec 1, 2008 11:44 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

jeraco

Sorry but you are wrong. If OU beats Missouri, then Texas gets no automatic nothing. By rule if you would have clicked on the link I provided, would have shown you the truth.

Fiesta gets to choose at large a replacement for the Big 12 champion if the Big 12 Champion goes to the NCG. The rule which you ignore gives the requirement. it gives that the Fiesta Bowl who gets first choice this year can choose any team they want who is ranked 12th or better in the BCS to replace Oklahoma.

Nothing Texas or Texas Tech can say about BCS standings or record means squat. Its a who the Fiesta Bowl thinks will have the biggest draw for TV and who will spend more money at the Bowl as far as fans are concerned.

Go back and read the requirement for replacement teams from the link I provided. You will find that there is nothing in the rules that says that the Fiesta has to take the next BCS ranked team. It only says it has its choice of teams ranked 12th or better from the Big 12. If none are available then 18th ranked or better. If still none available, then the Fiesta Bowl can choose an at large team from outside the Big 12. That is the rules for selection of replacement teams for the 4 BCS bowls where you can insert names of conferences instead of Big 12 where applicable. The only other listed item is for the Rose Bowl where they can have one or two replacement teams should either or both of PAC 10 or BIg 10 should go to the NCG.

Read from the link I provided and learn the actual rules rather than what some pudit wants you to believe.

by Pablo M on Dec 2, 2008 2:43 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

"it's not a 'pudit', it's the BCS rules

The BCS rules (link provided above, from BCS site) clearly state that the Big 12 champ (MIssouri or OU) automatically qualifies. In addition, a top 4 Big 12 team automatically qualifies. With a max. of 2 teams from any conference, as it stands right now that doesn’t leave room for TTU in a BCS game any way you look at it. The only possible scenario is Texas dropping out of the top 4 (not likely) and a BCS bowl selecting us over them at-large (not likely). Sorry, as much as we want it to it won’t happen.

by jeraco on Dec 2, 2008 2:29 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Also

By rule, BCS standings mean nothing for selecting replacement teams for the Fiesta, Sugar, Orange or Rose

by Pablo M on Dec 1, 2008 5:21 AM CST reply actions 0 recs

Are there any numbers that back up the statement that Tech fans spend more money, etc? Not that I question your statement, but I just figured that UT would have a much larger fan base mainly because (1) historically, they spit out twice as many alums as we do (not counting the 50% of football player who don’t graduate and the ones in prison), and (2) they have all those T-shirt fans. Back during our run of good teams in the 70’s, I always heard that was a knock on Tech in terms of out-of-state bowl games – that we didn’t have the huge traveling fan base that some bigger schools had.

I’m guessing that the bowls have some pretty good numbers in front of them when going through the selection process, but you never know. Seems like it would take some serious info to make them think we would draw more fans than the whiners. Granted, our alums would likely spend more than the typical T-shirt fan on the trip. But do the bowl committees figure in money spent away from the stadium or are they focused in on the money they get directly in gate receipts and TV.?

by TT_ on Dec 1, 2008 11:01 AM CST reply actions 0 recs

TT

Its a statement from all the bowls that Tech has been to in the last 7 years. They all have said that Tech fans spent more money and have set records for spending and sales.

There were several articles about it. If I have enough time, I will try to find a couple of those articles. I know that the Holiday and the Independence love Tech because they both said that when Tech fans come to town they spend money well.

When Texas went to the Alamo Bowl last year. But they did not sell as many tickets as Iowa did. Tech has always bought more tickets than the other team and has always requested unsold other teams tickets in the last 5 years.

San Antonio was disappointed in revenue for the bowl game because Texas Fans only came in for the day for the game and left. Tech fans spend 2 to 4 days in San Antonio when they were there.

Tech game attendance was 65,232 Texas game attendance was 65,875 for the same bowl. The difference between the two was Texas game last year was granted more lux boxes and 100 sideline special tickets.

by Pablo M on Dec 2, 2008 2:56 AM CST reply actions 0 recs