Why not question this rule - 2 teams from one conference?
by johnlaf13
on Nov 30, 2008 5:14 PM CST
Can anyone explain the rationale behind allowing only 2 teams from one conference into BCS games. Especially after the expanded to 5 games, this leaves spots open for 10 teams. I am sure that they would love to have the best of the best fill the at large spots. Texas Tech is definitely among the best .Which leads me to my point, why only 2 teams... why should Tech, or Oklahoma, or Texas be punished for the conference affiliation. If anything, they should be rewarded for playing in a tough conference, not held out of a game that they otherwise would have been in. It just doesn't make sense why they would even make that a rule.
For the record let's look at a resume:
11-1 (with a loss to the number 2 team in the nation on the road)
Victory over the #1 team
Blowout over the #8 team
Tied for first place in their conference, and the 5th tiebreaker had to break the tie
This resume in any conference would get you to a BCS game, however with current BCS rules, it is only good enough for the Cotton Bowl. Nice.
So WHY ONLY 2 TEAMS FROM ONE CONFERENCE BE IN THE BCS??
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It appears
that the only thing that could put us in a BCS game would be a loss by OU next week. I was hoping that we could get a BCS invite by being 11-1.
by Red Raider in South GA on Nov 30, 2008 5:29 PM CST 0 recs
Oh man, wrong again.
Tech has 2 bowl chances: The Cotton and the Holiday. That’s it. If OU loses, then Mizzou gets into the BCS (likely Fiesta), and Texas (likely to the MNC since they are so close to being #2 already. Even if Texas doesn’t go to the MNC, they are guaranteed a BCS at large as they are in the Top 4 of the BCS and can’t go down.
If Mizzou wins, Tech is really screwed. OU will be more attractive to the Cotton and Tech goes to the Holiday to play the Oregon Ducks.
Its Cotton or Holiday. Tech is eliminated in every BCS bowl scenario.
by the1austin on
Nov 30, 2008 5:44 PM CST
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Why
Then how did Kansas go last year? The BCS only applies to the top 2 teams in the rating everything else up for grabs or has Texas now gotten in on the Notre Dame rules? Wreck’em Tech Keep Leach
by techgolf44 on Nov 30, 2008 8:15 PM CST 0 recs
thats great and all
but why make a rule that says only two teams can go in the first place? Why create this situation. WHy can’t tech, UT, and OU all go BCS bowls?
by johnlaf13 on Nov 30, 2008 9:28 PM CST 0 recs
Because the BCS was formed to ensure that all of the “power conferences” are represented each year. The format that was agreed upon when the BCS rules were created had to be agreed upon by everyone. 3 teams from 1 conference is not part of the agreed-upon equation.
by jeffinhouston on
Nov 30, 2008 9:59 PM CST
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The way BCS eligibility works
http://www.bcsfootball.org/bcsfb/eligibility
If you’re not mystified and pissed-off by the time you finish it, well then mad respekk
by mojavereject on
Nov 30, 2008 11:05 PM CST
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Hey "The1austin".......
I live in Austin. I am a Tech grad. Most of the UT fans and alumni I meet in town feel Tech is deserving. Our point isn’t that we think for sure we’ll go to a BCS bowl, it’s that we think all 3 teams deserve to go. There’s no need to be classless and condescending. Also there’s no need to dump on our hopes. In saying that, don’t you have your own blog?
Go Tech!!!
by jwhitettu on Nov 30, 2008 10:27 PM CST 0 recs
That guy is just a tool, just like the other 3-4 ut trolls that have been hanging around the last week or so. If you think he’s classless here, you should see what he says about Tech over at BON. I think a few of the trolls just now realized that all their whining and all their denials couldn’t change 39-33. We’re dealing with these slow learners now.
by TT_ on
Nov 30, 2008 11:19 PM CST
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I agree - Email the BCS
I did. Let them know how unfair this stupid rule is. Ohio State is totally undeserving of a BCS bid, but it looks like they’re going to slip into the Fiesta Bowl. Meanwhile we’re 11-1 and out of the mix.
by toogood on Dec 1, 2008 12:47 AM CST 0 recs
I am almost positive that their website administrator
isn’t going to be able to help you with this particular grievance.
by mojavereject on
Dec 1, 2008 4:54 AM CST
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Not so fast guys
You should read what I wrote under BCS Scenario at http://www.doubletnation.com/2008/11/30/676143/bcs-scenario
I showed where Tech could get into the Fiesta only if OU beats Missouri. Please read the link as I do not wish to go back and explain the BCS rules again.
by Pablo M on Dec 1, 2008 5:11 AM CST 0 recs
Sorry Pablo M. You have a habit of being hauntingly right or dead wrong.
in this case, you’re dead wrong.
there are 2 pieces of rules that will keep us out of the BCS this year and put Texas in. The first is:
No more than two teams from a conference may be selected, regardless of whether they are automatic qualifiers or at-large selections, unless two non-champions from the same conference are ranked No. 1 and No. 2 in the final BCS Standings.
the second is that #3 and #4 make it in automatically, but are considered the final automatic qualifiers meaning if we climb our way up to #4 and UT doesn’t wind up ranked #2 (because there’s also a thing that says that an at-large team in the NC game knocks out the #3 and #4 rule), we’ll still be SoL because at #3, we’d have a lower qualifier than UT.
Sucks for us.
by kayakyakr on
Dec 1, 2008 11:22 AM CST
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Katakakr
Sorry you did not read the BCS rules. A common problem for a lot of people and something Texas Fans are doing right now to promote their case.
The truth!
This year, The Fiesta Bowl gets to choose the replacement team first! Which means that no other Bowl can lay claim to any of the qualifying Big 12 teams until the Fiesta has made its choice. It does not matter who is #3 oe #7 in the BCS in selection of the team that represents the Big 12 for the Fiesta Bowl.
GO BACK and look at the RULES!!!! Geez are people so blind and resolved to surrender to UT to go to the Fiesta Bowl?
MY GOD POEPLE WAKE UP!!!!!!!!
The Fiesta Bowl gets first choice this in 2009! Of the 4 BCS bowls, the Fiesta gets first shot. In 2010 it gets 2nd shot. Its in the Rules! GO LOOK! GEEZ!!!
The only requirement the Fiesta Bowl has in selecting a replacement for Big 12 champion is that the replacement be ranked better than 12th and from the Big 12!
Both Texas and Texas Tech qualify as a replacement team. Other Bowls play a second fiddle to the Selection of the Fiesta Bowl this year!
Which means, that should the Fiesta bowl take Texas Tech, then Texas gets bumped to the Cotton!
That is what is concerning all those Texas fans who were saying they were going to the Cotton bowl. The Fiesta Bowl Board will make its choice after the Big 12 Championship game. If OU beats Missouri, then the Fiesta Bowl has two choices. Texas or Texas Tech.
Its time that the We as fans of the Red Raiders sing it up for our right to be in the Fiesta Bowl! We are not out if OU beats Missouri.
Because the Rules for selection of the replacement for the Big 12 Champion, make it possible for Texas Tech to go to the Fiesta. Hey its the rules not my personal idea of what is what.
I read the rules completely and understood what the rules had to say.
Because the Fiesta Bowl gets to choose its replacement from the Big 12, the rankings for the other BCS bowls mean nothing when the Big 12 sends a team to the NCG.
You are right that only two teams can go to the BCS. But it could be Texas left out rather than Texas Tech by the rules as they are written!
by Pablo M on Dec 2, 2008 3:11 AM CST 0 recs
BCS rules guarantee the top 4 BCS spots bowls… regardless, therefore we cannot be picked. Its as simple as that. If you are in the top 2 you are National championship, top 4, and you are in a BCS bowl.
by johnlaf13 on
Dec 2, 2008 2:25 PM CST
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Johnla13
Not true.
That rule is only applied when the conference does not have a NCG team.
Remember California was #4 and played in the Holiday. They were bumped by then #8 Norte Dame.
The Bowls can choose a replacement team if they want. The BCS gives Norte Dame a shot at all the BCS bowls reguardless. Thus the choice is always to pick Norte Dame because of economic reasons over a true #4.
I posted about this in several other threads. There is no rule within the BCS rules which says that the Fiesta has to take a #3 or #4 as a replacement team when they lose a #1 or #2 to the NCG. The Bowls get to select a replacement team which there is three sections of the rules which define how that is to be done.
NO Where in the BCS rules eliminate Texas Tech from being the replacement team within the rules.
That is the issue.
Thus what sucks is when you have a possible 1, 3 7 within the Big 12.
It would suck even more should the Big 12 have had 1, 3, 6, 10. forcing one of the teams into a Tier 3 bowl.
Thus one of the reasons why the BCS is not good enough and a playoff is needed.
Because truthfully due to how the bowls are set up to conferences automatics bids, it penalizes a conference like the Big 12 who can post 4 top 10 teams.
But that is why a playoff is really needed. The BCS is set in stone until 2013. Then the bowls can be reviewed. That is in the system right now. So we are stuck with this bad system for the near future.
But, the point here is that Rule make it possible for Tech and Texas to be selected as a replacement team. Its up to the Fiesta to choose who they want.
No matter which way the Fiesta decides to choose, it leaves a top 10 team out of the BCS. While rewarding a team which is no even ranked 12th in the BCS an autobid.
That is what sucks in my book. I am refering to the Big East Champion. In my book, its wrong to give the Big East an autobid to the BCS because they are not in the top 12 which is the basic requirement for the BCS bowl. But they get the autobid as the champion.
It would suck as well for Missouri to beat Oklahoma and go to the Fiesta when they are ranked 20th while having Texas Tech or Texas and even Oklahoma ranked in the Top 10.
by Pablo M on Dec 3, 2008 3:24 PM CST 0 recs
There is no rule within the BCS rules which says that the Fiesta has to take a #3 or #4 as a replacement team when they lose a #1 or #2 to the NCG. The Bowls get to select a replacement team which there is three sections of the rules which define how that is to be done.
Yes there is.
The bowls will select their participants from two pools: (1) automatic qualifiers, all of which must be selected, and, (2) at-large teams, if fewer than 10 teams qualify automatically.
According to the Automatic Bid Rules #5 & #6, the BCS-ranked 3 & 4 have automatic bids if (1) there are not 10 automatic qualifiers (check), (2) the number 3 or 4 ranked team is from a BCS conference (check), and 3) there is not another at-large team from that same conference in the NC game (check).
5. If any of the 10 slots remain open after application of provisions 1 through 4, and an at-large team from a conference with an annual automatic berth for its champion is ranked No. 3 in the final BCS Standings, that team will become an automatic qualifier, provided that no at-large team from the same conference qualifies for the national championship game.
Oklahoma, I believe, is not an at-large team playing in the national championship game. They are the automatic qualifier as Big 12 Champion. The last part of that rule prohibits placing a #3 or #4 as an automatic qualifier should a conference already have a qualifying conference champion and non conference champion at #1 or #2.
The Fiesta Bowl gets first choice of a replacement team, true. The pool of teams will include Texas. Texas + Big 12 champ = 2 (the max number of teams allowed in BCS games from 1 conference).
I could be wrong. I’ll shut up if I am. That’s my interpretation, and I read the whole thing, too. I appreciate your explanation, but can you please turn down the condenscending tone?
by natkcole on
Dec 4, 2008 1:39 PM CST
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Let me be the first...
…to point out my obvious quotation errors. What a maroon!!
by natkcole on
Dec 4, 2008 1:44 PM CST
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That's better
There is no rule within the BCS rules which says that the Fiesta has to take a #3 or #4 as a replacement team when they lose a #1 or #2 to the NCG. The Bowls get to select a replacement team which there is three sections of the rules which define how that is to be done.
Yes there is.
The bowls will select their participants from two pools: (1) automatic qualifiers, all of which must be selected, and, (2) at-large teams, if fewer than 10 teams qualify automatically.
According to the Automatic Bid Rules #5 & #6, the BCS-ranked 3 & 4 have automatic bids if (1) there are not 10 automatic qualifiers (check), (2) the number 3 or 4 ranked team is from a BCS conference (check), and 3) there is not another at-large team from that same conference in the NC game (check).
5. If any of the 10 slots remain open after application of provisions 1 through 4, and an at-large team from a conference with an annual automatic berth for its champion is ranked No. 3 in the final BCS Standings, that team will become an automatic qualifier, provided that no at-large team from the same conference qualifies for the national championship game.
Oklahoma, I believe, is not an at-large team playing in the national championship game. They are the automatic qualifier as Big 12 Champion. The last part of that rule prohibits placing a #3 or #4 as an automatic qualifier should a conference already have a qualifying conference champion and non conference champion at #1 or #2.
The Fiesta Bowl gets first choice of a replacement team, true. The pool of teams will include Texas. Texas + Big 12 champ = 2 (the max number of teams allowed in BCS games from 1 conference).
I could be wrong. I’ll shut up if I am. That’s my interpretation, and I read the whole thing, too. I appreciate your explanation, but can you please turn down the condenscending tone?
by natkcole on
Dec 4, 2008 1:50 PM CST
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Remember California was #4 and played in the Holiday. They were bumped by then #8 Norte Dame.
California was 4th until the final week when Mack Brown made his public plea for Texas. Texas ended up 4th and got the at-large bid to the Rose Bowl, since the Rose Bowl had to replace USC which was playing for the National Championship that year. California was 5th. Notre Dame didn’t make a BCS bowl.
by natkcole on
Dec 4, 2008 10:10 PM CST
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