Leach on the hot seat?
I am sure this has been done before but I was bored and wanted to check on Leach's career at Tech...
Regular Season Record
60-34 .638 WP
Big 12 Conference Record
35-29 .547 WP
Vs Texas Record
1-7
Vs A&M Record
6-2
Vs Oklahoma Record
2-6
Bowl Record
5-3
So my question is do you think this is a hot seat kind of year for Leach? Lets say that Tech finishes 5-3 in the Big 12 and finishes 3rd in the south; do you think that is not good enough anymore? Personally I do not believe Leach is on the hot seat but after looking up those records it does beg the question. Wanted to see what everyone's thoughts were.
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WIsh that Record against Texas was better, but not many Tech coaches’ records were better, and we’re working on the OU record. Leach is not on the hot seat this year, far from it.
by jdubmed on Jun 29, 2008 9:30 AM CDT 0 recs
Biggest Head Coach Firing Mistakes In Big 12 History
Nebraska:
Frank Solich coached the Nebraska Cornhuskers from 1998-2003. He directed the Cornhusker program to six consecutive bowl games, including the national championship game in the Rose Bowl following the 2001 season. Nebraska won at least nine games in five of those six seasons, and finished among the top 10 teams in the nation three times. Solich compiled a 58 – 19 record at Nebraska.
After a 7-7 season in 2002, the Huskers’ worst record since 1961, Solich shook up his staff. He gave up offensive play-calling duties to newly hired offensive coordinator Barney Cotton and brought in Bo Pelini, the linebackers coach for the Green Bay Packers, as defensive coordinator. 2003 began with Nebraska starting out 5-0, before suffering three key losses later in the year; 41-24 to Missouri, 31-7 to Texas and 38-9 to Kansas State. After the final game of the regular season, Solich was fired by new athletic director Steve Pederson, who justified the move by stating he would not “let Nebraska gravitate into mediocrity” and would not “surrender the Big 12 to Oklahoma and Texas”. He was succeeded by Bill Callahan as head coach.
Texas A&M:
In December 1988, R.C. Slocum was named head coach at Texas A&M. During his 14 years as head coach, R.C. led the Aggies to a record of 123-47-2, making him the winningest coach in Texas A&M history. During his career, Slocum never had a losing season and won four conference championships, including the Big 12 title in 1998. Additionally, he led the Aggies to become the first school in the Southwest Conference history to post three consecutive perfect conference seasons. Slocum reached 100 wins faster than any other active coach. Slocum was named SWC Coach of the Year three times during his tenure as head coach. His “Wrecking Crew” defense led the SWC in four statistical categories from 1991 through 1993 and led the nation in total defense in 1991.
Slocum continually pressed Texas A&M to update the athletic facilities so that the university could compete with the University of Texas at Austin and the University of Oklahoma in football recruiting. The university officials finally listened to his pleas and began a large facility expansion project. Unfortunately, this was too late to save Slocum. He was fired in 2002 after a 6-6 season, which included a win over number-one-ranked Oklahoma. He was succeeded by Dennis Franchione as head coach.
Borrowed from wiki here, and here
Please, Tech Fans, let’s set our expectations too high and make the mistake that these two schools did.
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by 10forTech on Jun 29, 2008 4:49 PM CDT 0 recs
Well
The thing with Leach is that he has done very respectable things with very marginal talent. You can say a lot of things about Leach, but you cannot say that he hasn’t made this program better. I think we can all agree that there has been a steady improvement every single year that Leach has been here. Leach is just now put Tech in a position to recruit solid talent and put athletes in position on offense and on defense.
Getting rid of Setencich will do wonders for this program in my opinion. Ruffin McNeil is a great coach, and an even better motivator. Those guys on defense are fired up to be out there, and they have an attitude now that they never had when Setencich was the DC.
Having said all that, I do think that this year’s success will determine Leach’s future with the Texas Tech program. If we have another mediocre 8-4 season with all the big expectations, I think Leach may try his luck elsewhere or may be forced to. I don’t think that will be a problem though. This is our breakout year, and I expect 10 or 11 wins.
liquidsmoke
by liquidsmoke on Jun 29, 2008 9:47 PM CDT 0 recs
liquidsmoke,
Good points, I agree with almost all of it. But you can’t seriously think that firing Leach after a (mediocre?) 8-4 season is a good thing. Baylor, Okee St., KSU, Nebraska, ISU, Colorado, and A&M would all piss their collective pants for an 8-4 season (as would 75% of the football programs out there).
Leach is just now put Tech in a position to recruit solid talent and put athletes in position on offense and on defense.
Do you think if Leach leaves or gets fired that those athletes are still going to come here?
If you do then you didn’t read my earlier post. If you do then you need to talk to the football fans and former recruits of the University of Hawaii.
We need to give Mike Leach 4-5 more years to “recruit solid talent” before we can seriously contend for a Big 12 title in my opinion. Being overly optimistic and setting our expectations too high is not only foolish, but could bring disastrous consequences like it did for Nebraska and A&M.
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by 10forTech on Jun 29, 2008 11:10 PM CDT 0 recs
I'm not saying
that I wouldn’t be proud or happy to have 8-4 seasons every year (because by all means, that is a solid winning percentage). Many teams would kill to go 8-4. For Tech, sometimes we underachieve and sometimes we do a little better than expected.
I will say this though. There is a whole lot of hype and excitement going into this season. More than I can ever remember. Tech is getting some media props that we have deserved for years. Most fans are saying that “we should make a BCS bowl.” All I am saying is that if Tech stumbles a little bit and goes 8-4 again, there will definately be some grumblings around the program. I would hope that people would not ask to get rid of Leach, but if Tech is not able to take that final step into becoming a “great” program instead of a “good” one, then it may be time to get someone else here. Because in the grand scheme of things, our goal is to compete and win national championships, not go 8-4.
liquidsmoke
by liquidsmoke on
Jul 1, 2008 12:08 AM CDT
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liquidsmoke,
Don’t believe all the hype, brother.
Most of the fans saying "we should make a BCS bowl" are delusional. If Tech stumbles a little bit and goes 8-4 again, There won’t be any grumblings around the program, but there might be some upset fans with unrealistic expectations.
I can’t think of any other coach better able to take Tech from a good program to a great one than Mike Leach. Can you?
Realistically, how much time do you think it should take a college football program, any college football program, to go from historically bad/mediocre to competing and winning consistently against traditional powerhouses UT and OU? 10 years? 20 years? And Mike has been here how long?
Friend, curb your enthusiasm. I’m not asking you to lower your expectations, I’m just asking you to be pragmatic. And for Heaven’s sake, give him 4 or 5 more years, at least.
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by 10forTech on
Jul 1, 2008 11:48 AM CDT
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10forTech,
“I can’t think of any other coach better able to take Tech from a good program to a great one than Mike Leach. Can you?”
No, I can’t. Heck, I wouldn’t mind one bit if Leach pulled a Joe Paterno and stayed here till he was like 120 years old!! haha
You make some great points, and I think we are pretty much on the same page. I would like to think that Tech would do whatever it takes to hold on to Leach. And about him consistantly winning 8+ games every single year, why would you change up something that is working?? We have become a program who is consistantly been in or around the top 25 polls year in and year out. Now, Leach is starting to get better talent in the program, and who is to say that those 8+ win seasons won’t translate into 10+ win seasons??
liquidsmoke
by liquidsmoke on
Jul 1, 2008 3:15 PM CDT
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wow. just wow.
8-4 season is a good thing. Baylor, Okee St., KSU, Nebraska, ISU, Colorado, and A&M would all piss their collective pants for an 8-4 season (as would 75% of the football programs out there).
You don’t follow college football much, do you? The idea that an “8-4 season is a good thing” is fine if you are a Tech fan.
However, to say that A&M or Nebraska or even Colorado would “piss their pants” over an 8-win season is delusional.
by Beergut on
Jul 4, 2008 8:27 PM CDT
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at this point? I think there would be a lot of happy people at nebraska and colorado at 8-4. Aggies are a different breed, so I don’t expect they’d be happy with much.
by kayakyakr on
Jul 5, 2008 11:34 AM CDT
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I think you're right.
A&M fans won’t be happy until they become UT or OU. Maybe they should transfer…
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by 10forTech on
Jul 6, 2008 3:34 PM CDT
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Beergut
You’re trying to rile me but it’s not going to work. It’s obvious to anyone who’s read my posts that you’ve taken my words out of context. You can’t argue with me about something I didn’t say! Maybe you shouldn’t drink so much "beer" before you try to drag someone into a pissing contest.
A&M and Nebraska fans and alumni have only themselves to blame for the now dismal state of their current football programs. Your (fans and alumni’s) hyper-optimism and irrational expectations drove your schools to fire great/very good coaches. This monumental mistake is at least partially responsible for Tech’s current success, and no amount of wailing and gnashing of teeth or bashing of Texas Tech and their fans can change that fact.
A&M fans need to take a hard look at Joe Paterno and Penn State’s football program. You don’t fire the winningest coach in school history after a "poor" season. If Penn St. had done that, JoePa would have been fired in 1966, 1970, 1976, 1984, 1988, 2000, 2001, 2003, and 2004.
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by 10forTech on
Jul 5, 2008 5:26 PM CDT
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I'm not trying to rile anything
I’m just stating my opinion. I’m also questioning your football knowledge, with good reason. Only someone completely ignorant of college football would think that Nebraska fans would “piss their pants” over an 8-win season. They won at least 9 games EVERY YEAR FOR THIRTY YEARS. An 8-win season is merely ‘satisfactory’ to fans who are used to that kind of success.
After re-reading your post, I did cut off the first half of the first sentence when I read it b/c of the parenthesis, which does change its meaning.
But you can’t seriously think that firing Leach after a (mediocre?) 8-4 season is a good thing.
You’re simply saying firing Leach after going 8-4 wouldn’t be good for Tech, and I actually agree with that sentiment.
A&M and Nebraska fans and alumni have only themselves to blame for the now dismal state of their current football programs. Your (fans and alumni’s) hyper-optimism and irrational expectations drove your schools to fire great/very good coaches. This monumental mistake is at least partially responsible for Tech’s current success, and no amount of wailing and gnashing of teeth or bashing of Texas Tech and their fans can change that fact.
I know this is difficult for Tech fans to understand, but when you want to win championships, simply finishing above .500 year-in and year-out simply doesn’t cut it. From 2000-2002, A&M went 7-5, 8-4, 6-6. They were slowly declining as a program, especially when you compare it to the earlier years of RC’s tenure. I’m someone who was a big RC supporter, but even I acknowledged it was time for him to go at the end of the 2002 season. Our mistake wasn’t in firing RC Slocum, it was in hiring the wrong man to replace him.
As for Nebraska, getting rid of Solich was the correct move. He wasn’t going to lead them where they thought they should be, which was competing for the national title every year, and consistently winning conference championships. You pointed out their trip to the national title game at the 2002 Rose Bowl, what you neglected to mention was that trip followed a record-setting ass-beating at the hands of Colorado, and Nebraska didn’t even win the North division that season, much less the conference. They basically backed into the national title game, where they were annihilated by a superior Miami squad in a game that was over at halftime. After going 7-7, Solich did completely turnover his staff, and he brought in a good group. The problem was that Pederson had an overinflated view of what Nebraska’s expectations should be in a rebuilding season, and was overconfident in his ability to hire a winner to Nebraska. Pederson fired a coach aftera 9-3 season (10-3 after Pellini was HC in the Alamo Bowl), which drew ridicule and scorn from any candidate who might consider the Nebraska job, and was left standing ont he runway by Houston Nutt. In desperation, he hired Bill Callahan, who melded with Nebraskans like oil with water. Ultimately, Pederson’s timing was off, and he hired the wrong man for the job, but if Nebraska wanted to win national championships, they weren’t going to do it with Frank Solich.
Regardless, I wouldn’t call the state of Nebraska’s program “dismal”, not if I was a Tech fan. Even in their down period under Callahan, Nebraska was still able to win a North division championship, and played for the conference championship. That is something Tech still has never come close to, despite each program ahead of them (OU, A&M, texas) having at least one down year in the last three years.
A&M fans need to take a hard look at Joe Paterno and Penn State’s football program.
This is a poor analogy; if RC had won us two national titles and led us to 6 undefeated seasons in his time at A&M, do you really think he would have been forced out?
You don’t fire the winningest coach in school history after a “poor” season.
Funny, Tech did just that following the 1999 season. Hypocritical much?
by Beergut on
Jul 6, 2008 1:21 AM CDT
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still say that, at this point, nebraska fans would be ecstatic with an 8-4 season.
by kayakyakr on
Jul 6, 2008 10:56 AM CDT
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wha?
This is a poor analogy; if RC had won us two national titles and led us to 6 undefeated seasons in his time at A&M, do you really think he would have been forced out?
You’re joking, right? If not, you’re making my point about “Your (fans and alumni’s) hyper-optimism and irrational expectations…”. Thanks.
The problem was that Pederson had an overinflated view of what Nebraska’s expectations should be in a rebuilding season, and was overconfident in his ability to hire a winner to Nebraska.
You certainly made my point about Nebraska. Thanks again.
Funny, Tech did just that following the 1999 season. Hypocritical much?
The winningest football coach in Texas Tech history was Pete Cawthon.
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by 10forTech on
Jul 6, 2008 4:01 PM CDT
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You’re joking, right? If not, you’re making my point about "Your (fans and alumni’s) hyper-optimism and irrational expectations…". Thanks.
No, I’m not joking. You’re the one saying we should look at Joe Paterno. I’m simply pointing out that Joe Paterno IS Penn State football, he made that program what it is. The same cannot be said for RC; RC is not THE definining coach for A&M football, so comparing him to a coach who has won two national title and had six undefeated seasons is a poor analogy.
You certainly made my point about Nebraska. Thanks again.
No. I said having high expectations like Nebraska does it not wrong, nor is it the reason their program is in its current shape. The problem was they hired the wrong guy to head up their athletic department in Pederson.
Cawthon is the winningest coach in Tech history if you go by percentage. If you go by wins, that is Spike. Since you referred to RC as the winningest coach in A&M history, your definition would have to be wins, b/c RC doesn’t have the highest winning percentage as A&M’s head coach.
by Beergut on
Jul 6, 2008 5:58 PM CDT
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R.C. Slocum
COULD HAVE BEEN A&M football. He could have been THE definining coach for A&M football, but he was fired after 14 years as head coach. It took JoePa 17 years to win his first national title in 1982, and 29 years to rack up 5 undefeated seasons (he only had 5).
Paterno’s record during those 14 years (1989-2002): 124-46-1; Slocum’s record: 123-47-2. Looks like a very good analogy to me. If they’d given RC a few more years, who knows how many national titles he’d have.
Maybe JoePa wouldn’t have been good enough for A&M either, and I’m sorry but I don’t think Jesus is available. But who knows? Maybe Mike Sherman is Jesus.
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by 10forTech on
Jul 6, 2008 10:03 PM CDT
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If RC had revolutionized football like Paterno did
(in 1967), and had back to back undefeated seasons in his third and fourth (1968, ‘69) seasons, including consecutive Orange Bowl wins, like JoePa, I guarantee you he’d still be at A&M today.
Like I’ve said before, I liked RC when he was at A&M, but it was time for him to go. If he had Paterno’s pedigree (5 undefeated seasons, two national titles) he would have earned the right to retire on his own terms, like Paterno has, but RC isn’t Joe Paterno, which is why it is a poor analogy.
by Beergut on
Jul 7, 2008 2:47 AM CDT
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I was wrong
Mike Sherman is NOT Jesus.
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by 10forTech on
Jul 7, 2008 8:48 PM CDT
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leach is the absolute best coach we can have atm. Who would we get to replace him? there are no guarantees and we can’t attract a big name with big aspirations. On the opposite side, Leach won’t be offered a job elsewhere until he can put together a 10+ win season and I think that once he puts that 10 win season together here, there’s no reason for him to go elsewhere to start all over again.
USC may be the only school that can pull leach from tech.
by kayakyakr on Jun 30, 2008 8:30 AM CDT 0 recs
Yes, exactly.
Who would we get to replace him? Bill Callahan? Or maybe Dennis Franchione? I know their both available…
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by 10forTech on
Jun 30, 2008 9:02 PM CDT
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Mike Leach is FAR from the hot seat
Mike Leach leaving Texas Tech (on his own terms) after this year is more likely to happen then Texas Tech leaving Mike Leach. If Tech has a great season (A BCS bowl appearance) and a bigger program comes suiting, we may have to face the fact that our fearless leader could be shopping top-tier programs after this year.
And I don’t think USC would go after Leach. They can have they’re pick of the litter, and that usually means coaches from top-tier programs and former NFL coaches. I see him landing in the SEC, Big 10 or ACC before the Pac-10.
by PhillyRedRaider on Jun 30, 2008 9:07 AM CDT 0 recs
I don’t see where he would want to go in that set of schools, though. Big 10’s top 2 are set for their coaches for a while. The ACC doesn’t have a top-tier program anymore. The historical programs are set in their coaches anyway. Of the SEC, only Tennessee will have an opening any time soon unless Les Miles decides to retire early. I don’t see Tenn going after Mike Leach. LSU might, but that’s a stretch.
by kayakyakr on
Jun 30, 2008 1:12 PM CDT
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Leach
would not go to the SEC. They play smashmouth football and would not take well to Leach’s offense and aggressive (sometimes questionable) playcalling. The same could probably be said of the Big 10. I would think his only two conference options outside the Big 12 would be the Pac 10 and the ACC. The Pac 10 would most likely be the most appealing and the best fit. The only question is whether or not there is a team good enough to leave Tech for…..I can only think of one and that is USC. However, as stated before, why in the heck would USC want Leach??? I don’t think they would.
liquidsmoke
by liquidsmoke on
Jul 1, 2008 12:13 AM CDT
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Leach will...
...bail for greener pastures if we make a BCS game. So if you like the pirate, hope for another 9-3 year.
He’s a consistent job inquirer and would have no qualms leaving LBK, no matter how much he professes to love it. He has zero ties to Texas. If a guy like Rich Rodriguez can leave WVU (born, raised and played for) for Michigan, there’s no doubt Leach could leave for, say, Washington. He’d be a great fit there…a quirky coach, a quirky city, a college football mad city, a MUCH deeper football tradition, not as far from good surfing. Food for thought.
by Tech92 on Jul 4, 2008 10:26 PM CDT 0 recs





