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Special Admits

I really wanted to give this a bunch of time this week, but personal obligations have kept me from doing so, but please check out Mark Alesia of the Indy Star with an incredible look at special admits for athletes at some of the nation's biggest schools (hat-tip The Dagger). After I read the article, the thing that caught my eye was this chart which details these "special admits" at the nation's biggest university.

Some of you may or may not be surprised to learn, but according to the chart, and this percentage sounds unbelievable to me, 94% of Texas A&M's football players from 2004 through 2005 were admitted as "special admits". Other offenders were Iowa State with 21% from 2000 through 2001 and Oklahoma with 81% from 2002 through 2003.

Meanwhile, there were five Big 12 teams Nebraska, Texas Tech, Texas, Colorado, and Kansas State did not have ANY special admits. Please take the time to read the article and take a look at the chart. Really interesting stuff.

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That’s amazing. I think for every special admit that doesn’t graduate in five years, a school should lose one scholarship for five years.

After all is said and done, more is said than done.

by ayleein on Sep 11, 2008 9:03 AM CDT   0 recs

graduate/leave in good standing (draft, service, etc)

After all is said and done, more is said than done.

by ayleein on Sep 11, 2008 9:03 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

What else are they going to do?

Ok, so there’s a guy who doesn’t have the grades/scores to get into college. If Florida State doesn’t pick them up (or at least some JuCo) what else are they going to do? Finding a job is going to be tough. At least if they get a couple of years in they can maybe go pro or have a few more skills to keep them out of trouble and off welfare.

But I do think that there needs ot be some oversight. Do the special admits that fail to graduate not count against the graduation percentage that the team has to maintain?

by NM99 on Sep 11, 2008 1:53 PM CDT   0 recs

Ok, so maybe that was a little harsh and I am stereotyping. It would be interesting to compare the entrance requirements as well. It could be that an athelete that doesn’t score well enough to get in to Rice meets the requirements at a state school, but Rice decides to allow a “special admit” because he can play baseball (notice I didn’t say football).

by NM99 on Sep 11, 2008 2:11 PM CDT   0 recs

I think this is the interesting

part, in that there probably isn’t any consequence, other than the normal consequences for a program. I guess the answer is to have standardized minimums for each school, but then again, how low of a bar do you set?

Go Raiders . . .

by Seth C on Sep 11, 2008 9:01 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Anything to do with higher entrance standards?

I’m betting that the first rebuttal from these schools with a high percentage of special admits will be that those schools have higher standards to begin with, and a special admit at that institution wouldn’t necessarily be required if the athlete went to another school. I’m not really convinced that these are a bad thing. It is interesting, though, how the athletes aren’t held to the same standards as any other students.

by djollie111 on Sep 11, 2008 2:15 PM CDT   0 recs

Entrance standards are the clear first reason for this. Schools like K-State have fairly low entrance requirements, thus it’s not that hard to meet them. K-State is a land-grant institution, and up until about 15 years ago (somewhere thereabouts), any kid who graduated from a Kansas high school could be admitted to K-State. The institutional philosophy has always been “give anyone who wants it a chance at a college education.”

I don’t look at this as inherently bad, but when your team is 90 percent special admits, things have gone a little overboard. I’d love to see a comparison between special admits and their graduation rate. Maybe it’s in the article? (I haven’t had time to read much with Ike on its way)

We'll carry the banner high!

by TB on Sep 11, 2008 3:06 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

As with SP, I agree, I think a couple of special admits isn’t a huge problem, but it’s when such a large percentage of your football team is a special admit case, then it is a problem. I wish a faithful Aggie could tell me what happened to those recruiting classes.

Go Raiders . . .

by Seth C on Sep 11, 2008 8:57 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Nothing wrong

with having higher entrance standards, but schools that rely heavily on special admits want to have their cake and eat it too. They want to claim that the school only admits kids over a minimum academic standard so they can sell the institution to prospective students (and ostensibly to prospective student athletes). But that’s not really honest when, say, 94% of your football players are below the school standard. And as this is the first time I’ve ever even heard of this happening, I view the policy as fundamentally dishonest. The point is to have standards far higher than could reasonably permit the student-athletes you want by simply waiving the standard on their behalf. When nearly 10% of your entire incoming freshman class is below the university standard, is it still an academic standard at all?

Go register. Or else.

by Skin Patrol on Sep 11, 2008 6:30 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Agreed

I had never heard of this either, and wish I could have spent a little more time on it. Not only that, why isn’t this getting more national play? You would think that this would be a little bit bigger news.

Go Raiders . . .

by Seth C on Sep 11, 2008 8:55 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Where did you guys grow up?

Football players have been getting a pass through Middle school, High School and Collage in Texas since the end of World War I. Is it fair to the rest of us? Hell no, but it is the facts of life. People will tell you times have changed and that these things are no longer happening in Texas high schools. Lets face it, this problem starts at the high school level. Also, think about the kids who were talented enough to help a HS team make a run at a state championship but not at a Division One or Two type talent. If he did not have a parent pushing education they got the same pass through HS.

I am sure there are schools systems that do demand more form their Football players, but with HS coaches at big programs in Texas pulling down six figure incomes you can see where the system is stacked against the education side of the equation.

by bmaxw on Sep 11, 2008 9:28 PM CDT   0 recs

I think we

all knew that this was happening, but I had no idea there was an actual term for it that was somewhat approved by the NCAA, that was the interesting thing to me, that this practice is condoned by the NCAA, which gives it some legs, but still doesn’t seem right.

Go Raiders . . .

by Seth C on Sep 11, 2008 9:38 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

I shouldn't try to

speak for everyone else, I guessed that it was happening . . . and then the rest of the paragraph.

Go Raiders . . .

by Seth C on Sep 11, 2008 9:39 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

You're missing the point.

I don’t think Texas A&M football players are substantially more or less academically qualified than Texas Tech football players for all the reasons you just stated; the fact is, schools and the NCAA have bent over backwards to make sure some (many, most, I don’t know) dumb people get into schools they could not otherwise get into by relaxing the standards. I am certain Texas Tech does this, as does Texas, as does every contemplatively competitive football program in the country. Many of OUR football players probably scored considerably lower on the SAT or other entrance exames than did students who scored higher but could not run an X.XX forty.

That’s not the issue here. A number of schools have promoted themselves as having minimum academic standards. The purpose of this is to increase the school’s academic reputation, integrity, and draw. For all I know these minimum academic standards are being used when these universities are ranked by respected university/college lists, so that those schools that set these minimum academic standards have advantages relative to the rest of us.

No problem, if you actually play by your own mandated rules. If you have minimum standards and you generally follow them, more power to you. If you have minimum standards, like A&M, and then you systematically and routinely ignore them for your football players, you’re simply trying to get the benefit of setting minimum standards without having to deal with the consequences, namely, that sometimes you’ll want athletes and students that don’t meet those standards.

If 8% of the Texas A&M student body is admitted on a “special admits” basis, at what point does it cease to be that “special”? I’m fairly certain that A&M would happily advertise their super-awesome minimum academic standards, but do you think they likewise admit that a non-trivial portion of their student body (including the vast majority of their football players) are not even held to the standards set by the University?

I see two solutions: You either lower the standard or you place some logical limits on the amount of kids you will permit to break that “standard” because failure to do so makes it meaningless. Again, it’s a having cake and eating it to issue; you shouldn’t reap the benefits of stringent academic standards if you don’t have to suffer the consequences.

Go register. Or else.

by Skin Patrol on Sep 12, 2008 8:32 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Did you hear about the Aggie who could count to 10?

…would you believe 5?

But seriously. Universities also admit non-athletes that don’t meet their minimum standards all the time for various reasons (talented art students, to achieve “cultural diversity”, yada, yada, yada. The A&M cult also admits children of alumni and donors who don’t necessarily meet the minimum requirements. Maybe they have to raise the requirements for everyone else just to balance things out).

It is somewhat disconcerting that a significantly larger proportion of these special admits are athletes. But it is not like the athletic department is the only one doing it. The athletic department just has tangible measures in order to make their case, often with tangible benefits to the university. It is difficult for the college of engineering to argue that a kid who want to be an engineer but scored 350 on the math portion of his SAT is a benefit to the university or will likely succeed in their program, unless it’s T. Boone Pickens great-grand kid. Bill Cosby joked that the school his daughter attended wouldn’t let her in until he said he would build them building. The practice is not subversive or illegal. The transparency should be improved.

by NM99 on Sep 12, 2008 10:57 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

I don't think it is illegal

I just think it is dishonest. If A&M wants to let in alumni or talented musicians or whatever, who cares? What bothers me about the policy is that they set their “standard” very high and then proceed to break it. Why have a standard at all? What is the point of a standard that is easily bypassed, besides trying to dupe university rankers or incoming freshman that your school is better than it really is?

You either have a meaningful standard or you don’t have a standard. You shouldn’t get to claim one standard even as you systematicaclly violate it.

Go register. Or else.

by Skin Patrol on Sep 12, 2008 2:46 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

I found this

The knightcommission.org has a section on this practice. According to the website, “All incoming athletes are required to meet minimum academic criteria set by the NCAA…” So it’s not as if universities are admitting high school drop outs. It goes on to say that special admits are submitted by a department (as opposed to the student I suppose) and that it just so happens that the athletic department happens to submit the most special admits.

There are rules about graduation reates that a team must maintain in order to not lose scholarships. While the process could be more transparent, I think that if too many of the special admits end up failing out or leaving before they graduate, it would be detrimental to the school. The risk of losing scholarships is too great to take many chances on players that the department feels really won’t be able to make the grade but might help the team.

Most college schemes are getting too complicated for the Earl Campbell’s of the world to coast through college playing ball and then turn pro. The really good players are both athletic and smart. It’s sad when a guy’s head gets too big and he quits going to class or otherwise fails to make the grade because he thinks he is going to ride his athletic ability to a fat contract (read Byron Hanspard) and it often doesn’t turn out the way they or the team had hoped, anyway.

by NM99 on Sep 11, 2008 10:07 PM CDT   0 recs

Fat contract

Or “expand their ministry”

by NM99 on Sep 11, 2008 10:08 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

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