DTN Roundtable: 01.29.2009

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1. There's been a lot of discussion about Pat Knight and how he's called out his current players. Talk about some of the things that encourages you about Pat Knight, if any, and anything that discourages about him, again, if any.2. Dr. Saturday's Matt Hinton recently wrote that the Texas Tech football program may have only been destined to have their one shining moment in 2008 and that Texas Tech is more or less reserved to be behind the rut of the Big 12's traditional powers. Agree or disagree?
3. I know not everyone follows recruiting as closely as others, but what's your general tone thus far in the recruiting process and more importantly, how in the hell has Leach been able to recruit some of the best that Texas Tech has seen without signing that damned extension?
4. Put on your prediction caps, what one guy on offense and one guy on defense do you expect to have a "break-out" year next year, and you cannot include Taylor Potts?
Tech92:
1. I think that he clearly recognizes the talent gap between Texas Tech and the rest of the Big XII. We aren't very competitive most nights and seem to have trouble with the most basic elements of the game. Especially giving the other guy a free pass with all the turnovers. On the flip side of that recognition is the fact that he lets the world know the players he has are not good. I can't imagine what the mood in the locker room is like when Knight isn't there. I can only imagine some of the conversations the players have. "Are you one of the guys he'd trade? Am I? Do we all just suck as bad as he tells everyone?"
2. I am not sure how to answer this one. My heart wants to believe we've truly turned the corner. But my brain is telling me to expect at least a small come down in 2009. You don't replace the best QB in school history and one of the top WRs in all of the sport's history and not take a hit. But will that step back in 2009 be viewed as "typical Tech" or will it be viewed as simply gearing up for another big run in 2010? I really like this team's chances in 2010 and think that if we can get 9-10 wins next year, that we'll have started to solidify our place with UT and OU. What is very encouraging is the quality of recruit we've managed to pull this year - even with the Leach extension distraction. I expect Tech to have 4th place finish in the south next fall, but that is the quiet before the storm of 2010. Add in the development of our young players, the continued recruitment of 4-star players (I firmly believe you don't need a 5-star ever...if you have enough 4-stars, you'll be just fine. I'd take 'em, but I wouldn't waste time chasing 'em.), and we can actually become one of the every year big boys. It's not out of the question.
3. I have no idea what Leach is telling these kids, but it must be something along the lines of, "Hey, I'm here for the long haul. This extension is just that. An extension." I'm not a big recruitment follower as it pertains to individual athletes, I look at it more from overall depth and quality of qualifiers. To that end, I'm quite impressed with what we have hauled in on the defensive side. It's been EVERYONE'S gripe with Tech and if Ruffin can coach them well and let them play aggressive, things look very bright.
4. I am anxious to see how Aaron Crawford compliments Baron Batch. I have had a thing for Crawford for some reason and really want to see him be a powerful addition to the offense. I look for him to re-establish himself in the rotation in 2009 and contribute in short yardage.
On defense, hmmmm. I'm hoping everyone just plays their assignment. Maybe Bront Bird? He showed a few moments of nice play this year, but that's really not saying much with this defense. With the defense, I'm clearly in the "show me" mode. Many people feel they improved last year, but I have maintained that improving very super suck to pretty bad is not the improvement I'm looking for. If someone can step up and just make a traditional form tackle from time to time, I'll be impressed. And the next time we blitz a corner and get a sack will be the first time in three years. Can you tell I'm not on board with what Ruffin is doing?
djollie111:
1. What encourages me about Pat Knight is his willingness to adapt. RMK was stubborn about his defense and wasn't able to recruit big guys. I saw in one interview shortly after he retired the commentator asked him what he might have done different, and his answer was the he probably should have played a little zone D and gone after some big guys - WHA?! I think Junior knows what he needs and will go after it. At the same time, it's frustrating that he can't get the boys to play some better D and better fundamentals this season. Also, it's been said that Junior did most of the recruiting anyway, but I think with PK calling the shots now, we might actually get some recruiting momentum. I think RMK turned off some of the young guys and/or parents.
2. Looking at the recruiting this year (disclaimer: until we get all of the LOI's, anything's possible), I don't think this year was the only chance. Some other fans say that we "had the best team ever" and have nothing to show for it, but I've heard that before. I say, "yeah the best year - so far." I'm looking for 9 wins plus a bowl win next season, then another B12 championship run in 2010 with TP in his senior year. As long as Leach is the captain of this ship and the talent level improves the way it has the last 8 years, I see Texas Tech getting that Big 12 trophy and a BCS bowl sooner rather than later. As for the second part, yes, Texas Tech will be at a disadvantage compared to the traditional powers because of funding and history. The fact that we are able to compete with such a disadvantage is a testament to Captain Leach's system making great players out of good/average recruits.
3. Oops, I kind of rambled into this one on my last answer. But to reiterate - it's unbelievable. If we didn't have such playmakers like Jeffers waiting in the wing, and more on the way this year, I would be worried about the next 4 years, but I'm not. I think these kids and parents realize that Leach runs a solid program at Texas Tech, the kids graduate, and they'll be winning more than losing. Leach is telling these kids he's gonna stick around - he has to be. The more important thing is that they trust him.
4. Harrison Jeffers will break out, and the scary thing is that we have Crawford and Batch to complement him. I hope and pray that Leach uses them to the fullest potential. As for defense - you got me there. We need somobody to step up in the secondary. Maybe Bullitt or Cobb will be good enough to play next year? They would add some height to our secondary, which would help, but they'll be green. Like I said, you got me. Rather than someone breaking out next year, I think the returning starters will be solid as a group, with everyone else getting better with experience.
Seth C:
1. The thing that encourages me the most is that he's young and enthusiastic. I thought whenever RMK left that this program needed a shot in the arm in terms of enthusaism, and unfortunately, Pat Knight was left with a half-full cuppard. Some of it's his fault, and some of it's not. Of course, the thing that I like most about PK is the same thing that I dislike, his inexperience in handling a team can be downright hurtful and I'm sure that his players cannot be appreciative of some of his comments. I'm willing to give him a little slack as I think he's got potential to recruit and coach, he just needs to be careful what he says.
2. Much like the rest of the guys, I'm a little on the fence about this one and I don't know if I should be. I'm really worried about replacing almost the entire secondary next year, especially the safeties and the year after that I'm even more worried about who is going to step in at defensive end. I know, those things tend to work themselves out, but it's the continued maturation of the defense that bothers me. With the offense, I feel like that Captain Leach has this ship at a point where it's not much of a concern for me, but the defense continues to be a work in progress and replacing units (i.e. safeties and defensive ends) in an entire class without much quality depth is worrisome. Create that depth and I won't be so worried.
3. My recruiting-pants are going crazy with the guys that Leach has seemed to haul into Lubbock. I'm not much of a Texas Tech recruiting historian, but it seems like this may be as talented a group that Texas Tech has ever seen. As far as Leach, I can't imagine what he's saying to recruits, other than he intends to be in Lubbock for the duration. Not to mention, he can point to something that he's never had before, which is legitimate program success over a sustained period of time, not to mention taking his team to a bowl game every year (now if we can just win those S.O.B.'s).
4. I'm going to go a long with djollie111 and agree that Harrison Jeffers may be a really special player for Texas Tech by the time it's all said and done. It's all rumors, but Jeffers is one of those guys who has really impressed at Thursday night scrimages and the last two guys that have done that are Baron Batch and Michael Crabtree. Click. On defense, I'll take safety and Abilene Cooper's Will Ford to be the newcomer that does a little something on defense. There's plenty of opportunity for Bullitt, Cobb, or Y. Williams to make an impact their freshman season as all four of these guys may have more potential than some of the players currently on the squad. In any event, I'll still go with Ford, call it a gut feeling more than anything else.
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1. PK has been hampered by the lack of physical abilities of his present seniors and juniors. The sophomores and freshmen have come along about as well as could be expected, considering the lack of leadership from the upperclass players. He also seems to be attracting some good recruits. If he can obtain continuous improvement in the next year, those recruiting efforts will also improve the team’s overall talent level. He is harsh, but with the poor leadership being displayed by his experienced players, he is simply trying to ‘call out’ someone to make a statement that he, or they, will take over the floor leadership. With time, I am sure he will start having very productive teams, year-in and year-out.
2. Hinton’s article simply shows the inherant disbelief many across the country have in the Texas Tech athletic system, in general, with football being the most visible and most recognized of all the athletics. I certainly disagree with his assessment that we are a one-and-out team. The journey to last year’s results took several years, with Cap’n Leach learning as he went along. Also, it has taken time to develop the trust in his program by the coaches, players and parents of high schools across Texas, as well as across the nation. Because he has had success with less talented players, according to the rankings provided by the recruiting media, recruits with higher talent are beginning to recognize the opportunities that lie in wait for them if placed in this situation. As a result, Tech is destined to continue to compete regularly with OU and UT for the Big-12 spotlight on signing day and on the field.
3. As touched on in the previous paragraph, Tech is improving the overall talent that they are attracting. Again, this is because of the continued upward spiral of success the program has started making, especially in the last three years. How Cap’n Leach is attracting the talent without signing a contract extension is debatable. But he is signing better talent, again as recognized by the media darlings, to go along with that already on board. I feel confident he will get the contract out of the way in good time. He is probably letting the recruits know that he does intend to stay, and any contract talk is just an aside being conducted with the present administration, which, I think, has run its course and needs to be upgraded soon, anyways.
4. Without Potts in the discussion, I would expect one of the receivers to be the person to most improve his status next year and have a resounding affect. My choice in that regard would be Detron Lewis. I know, he has already done well, but he could really have an amazing year now that Crabs is gone. Al the other receivers will provide greart support as well. If Potts does nail down the starting berth at QB, expect more downfield completions, maybe even bigger numbers overall. If the runners excel as well, then the passing game could be awsome, with Lewis cashing in bigtime.
Defensively, I think Fehoko could have a breakout year. He was also a Thursday night sensation a couple of years ago. Unfortunately, I do not think McNeil utilized him very well this last year. If he moves Fehoko in at the MLB spot and leaves him there, I think we will see Zach Thomas-like results, which could do nothing but improve the capabilities of the defense and open up some explosive play by them.
TTpilk
1) Honestly, I haven’t followed any Tech Basketball because the Football Program and Recruiting has been more interesting. Best of Luck to Pat Knight.
2) Sure, we are probably going to take a step back to 9 wins(plus or minus) and mid-level bowl, but consider the fact that both OU and UT are didn’t graduate any of their key players. OSU is positioning themselves for a “Raider-Like” campaign for 2009. This kind of makes a 9 win season a big deal considering Tech’s lack of experience.
Historically, think about what we are discussing here. An 8 or 9 win season during the Spike Dykes Era was taking the program to the pinacle of success and now in 2009, we are calling it a “rebuiliding year”. I am not trying to throw Spike under the bus, I just think we should keep in perspective that our expectations during the Leach years have increased and the program has generally met or exceeded the expecations of the Tech Fandom.
3) Recruiting – Leach and company are doing a heck of job. We could possibly ended up with 3 OU decommits. That’s impressive enough but when you include the kids Leach is getting from both out of state and in state, then you have a great foundation for the future. When has TECH ever been close to having a top 25 recruiting class and yet if Leach closes the deal on some of the underdecides still out there Tech could have a significant jump in class ranking. This is where the Raiders turn the corner to go to a BCS game.
4) Break out Players:
Offense: Harris Jeffers or as a "dark horse’ how ‘bout Adam James (Eric Morris’ departure could help)
Defense: Chris Perry – he was recruited by Miami for a reason. Maybe we find out this year.
thoughts on #2
Regarding the program, I agree with the view that its impressive that we now look for an 8-9 win “rebuilding” year, as opposed to that being the “goal”. I think we are in for a rough ride next year, UT in Austin will be rough and I’m worried about OSU in Stillwater (plus, I’m not overly confident of OU at home). But even with all that, we should do ok, and if we win the games we SHOULD win, I’ll be happy but looking forward to 2010. I don’t think we’re yet at the “we reload” level, but the fact that we’re to a “rebuilding year” level is nothing to sneeze at. Honestly, I’m sad to see Crabtree go, but our passing game has historically been strong enough that that doesn’t worry me. And for all his experience, Harrell had a tendancy to make bad decisions under pressure, plus Shannon Woods had trouble creating yardage. In their places we have a diverse receiving corps (altho we’ll need to find a “go to” guy), an untested QB (altho if he can show good decision-making then I’ll be optimistic), and arguably a BETTER running back group (honestly, no offense to SW, but I had questions about his capability and I’ll be glad to hopefully see Batch getting more touches). All that at LEAST gives us a chance to match on offense if we can get over the growing pains (altho dropping another “bad game” or two is likely with all the inexperience). The bigger problem is the line. I was optimistic about 2008 and confident that in 2008 we would beat UT in our house, the main reason, a strong veteran team, anchored by an experienced LINE. We have a big chunk cut out of our O line, and that’s going to hurt especially with a rookie at QB (it probably won’t help our RBs establish themselves either). We return a lot of D, but unless they improve and get more consistent that’s not going to overcome our losses on O. The things in our favor are Leach’s strength is on offense and the incoming talent. If both those things can be put together quickly, we have a chance to do well. Another thing that could be a (pleasant) surprise is if all the upperclassmen on defense push themselves to improve in the off-season so that our veteran’s on D. can step up.
Unfortunately, most of the division returns a lot of people in a year when we’re rebuilding. The one bright spot there is that OU had a decent chunk of attrition in a year when we get them at home, but with some big talents returning they’ll be tough. But if we can handle our business in the front half, we can come into our divisional games strong and push to have a year like UT had in ‘08. That game in Austin is gonna be killer since they’ve got so many returning starters, we’ll be on the road and they’re gonna be seriously thinking revenge. (no matter what any longhorn may say, the loss in Lubbock REALLY stung them and pretty much ticked them off really badly for at LEAST a month if not more)
#2 and a little bit of #3
I read the article and it made me chuckle. Of course the writers will go back to their usual stance on Tech, what’s the upside of picking us this year? It’s much easier for a lazy salary reporter to praise the returns of McCoy and Bradford than take a shot in the dark. The advantage we have is this is the same position we are in every year, so I don’t think there will be a mental hangover. I believe we took another step in becoming a legit program by showing we could handle the spotlight for those 2 weeks. The Texas and Osu games proved we can get up for any team at home, now we just have to take that act on the road… The key to that is Defense, and if you take a look at the 08 and 09 recruiting classes, that’s obviously a focus now. College football is still all about branding, tradition, and recruits. Leach improved the brand by bringing attention to our offensive numbers. This year gave us some great wins to help build traddition. We’ve used those to bring in a recruiting class that might be the best ever if one more 4 star player leans our way. I’ve enjoyed watching us overcome the struggle over the past few years and hope to see that continue untill we win the Big 12. Keep those guns up and Enjoy the ride!
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1. It concerns me that Pat is being so patently blunt to the media. It comes off as if he feels he has a better relationship with the reporter that he is speaking to than the relationship he has with his players. Not good. It is really hard to get a bead on this guy. It is almost impossible to think about something that he says without comparing it to something Bob Knight espoused in the past.
2. Give me a break. We may not win 11 games again for awhile, but then again, maybe no one else in the Big XII South will either. Yes, we have lost some good players, but with one notable exception we may be upgrading in every vacant spot. Probably not all, and certainly not right away, but overall life is still good if you are a Texas Tech fan. Tell Saturday nice try, but sell crazy somewhere else.
3. Experience tells me that Leach has a formulaic answer to each of the questions that he is asked over and over again. Even if you try to phrase the question differently he will provide the same vague response each time. His response to this one is: " I have been there for nine years, I’ve been successful and don’t need to look elsewhere." He might even add this: There are two lists that a coach can be on. I’m happy to be on the getting offers/interest for other coaching jobs list."
4. Break-out players:
Offense – Jeffers is as close to a sure thing as you will find this side of Crabtree. The talk from the Thursday night scrimmages was eerily similar to what was said of Michael two years earlier.
Defense – I’m waiting for Sam Fehoko to step up and become the All-Star linebacker that he can be. This kid has a fire inside that cannot be taught. I loved watching him cheer on his teammates from the sideline, but I would much rather watch him bury Colt McCoy and Sam Bradford in the field turf.
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1. I think Jr. is on the right track but unfortunatly it will take sometime. We will see.
2. I think this year did move us from the 7-8-9 wins to 8-9-10 win seasons. There has definitely be better recruiting the last few years. This year is doin great and if we could swing 2 or so the 4 star defensive players and Emory Blake this will be a great, great season.
3. Potts brings a whole new set of skills to the QB that we have never seen before at Tech. He will have growin pains but the end product maybe the best offense we have ever seen. After Potts it would seem we will see even a new style with very good arms and the ability to run some on purpose. This could make the Air Raid go from deadly to lethal. If the defense could continue to get better then it will be awesome. As Seth mentioned sometime ago I think we have begun to really hit the “tipping point”.
4. Breakout Offense: the running backs- Harrison Jeffers/Baron Batch will be an incrediable duo!
Breakout Defense: Sam Feheko—he will bring much needed motor/energy to the LB position.
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1. I’m not encouraged.
2. I’m not worried about us falling off as a program as long as Leach is coach. We’ll be strong again in ‘09, maybe not quite ’08 strong, but highly competitive. ’10 will be good. For ’09 7-5(worst case), 10-2(best case).
3. This year’s class is sick. Real cold. I’m looking forward to seeing Jeffers in action, too.
4. Offense…..Jeffers!! – - – - Defense….. could be absolutely anybody. Benny Wylie (TTU strength and condo coach) can really push these guys to get better through off-season training. I really like what Wylie has done since joining our program. We look literally stronger every year.
Go Tech!!! Strive for Honor Evermore. Long Live the Matadors!!

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