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I was having a conversation with my brother on the phone today about how the last Coaches Poll shook out and something hit me.  Why is Oklahoma ranked #5 and not #2?  Here's my reasoning based on logic (put aside your subjective hatred for the time being).  If the BCS title game is TRULY between the best two teams in the nation, as defined by the hallowed BCS ranking system, AND the coaches are forced to vote the winner as #1, why are they also not compelled to rank the loser #2?  Does logic not dictate this?

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Your fault here is that you assume logic holds in the whole illogical system of the bcs, whose main components are money, opinions, biases, excuses, t.v., and self-justification. Many things trump logic in the world of college football. Quit thinking and be a sheep!

by pcrawttu on Jan 9, 2009 6:30 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

Exactly.

The loser of 1v2 should be #2. That’s why the other BCS bowls should just pit 3v4, 5v6, 7v8 and 9v10.

After all is said and done, more is said than done.

by ayleein on Jan 9, 2009 8:23 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Of course this is assuming all external factors notwithstanding. Just a focus on what the whole year and ranking system are built around and supposedly lead up to…the sworn “true” two best teams. By voting any other team as #2 after the “championship” game, that becomes the most logical indictment of the system that there is. Oops, we were wrong. This OTHER team was really one of the top two. This makes my engineering brain go crazy (yeah, I like logic puzzles and don’t understand women). I know I’m just banging my head against a brick wall with rusty nails sticking out of it but it sure would be nice to have someone with more of a forum with the BCS/NCAA powers-that-be pose this same scenario and see what answer is given.

by TracySaulRulz on Jan 9, 2009 11:13 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

No matter

how you slice this bread, it still crumbles at the touch. Better question: Why is Tech relegated to #12? The biases in football have never accepted Tech athletics as being relevant. Hopefully, if we can build on this year and play in-hopefully win-the championship game soon, those biases will loosen up somewhat. Also, many are really throwing bad karma Tech’s way on a lot of the blogs, especially Ole Miss, UT and A&M people. By staying near or at the top in the future, the arrows are still going to be shot at us, but the arrow bag will be more empty. If all coaches remain, with a new, more seasoned DC added, we could see amazing Red Raider football teams for years to come.

TTpilk

by TTpilk645 on Jan 9, 2009 10:55 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

We need to actually win games on the road against stiff competition. The book on Tech is if you can get them away from Lubbock, all bets are off. I don’t really think it’s a bias against Tech so much as it is Tech proving their critics right with performances under the spotlight that smell pretty bad more often than not. This is a “show me” sport. Until the Red Raiders can do that more than once in a season and on the road or in a big bowl, we’ll have the label of Typical Tech for some people.

Our problem is we can typically pull a rabbit out of the hat once a year. But just once a year. We seemed to move past the habit of losing a game or two to an overmatched opponent. Maybe in the next year (or likely 2010) we can put it all together and stop more than one bully on the playground.

But my post is getting too far away from the OP…back to topic at hand.

I do find it odd that the national title game loser isn’t automatically number two. Yet more weirdness from voters and the BCS system.

by Tech92 on Jan 9, 2009 11:15 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

PERCEPTION-

   All good comments, we have to take control when we get the national spotlight. A better loss to OU and a COTTON BOWL win would of validated our year and probably had us at #6-7. Even though we had a good year,the Cotton bowl loss throws us back into typical spoiler team mediocrity. Leach and this team should of won that damn game,up 14 pts and get blowed out is unacceptable. Leach has had 9 yrs to do something with this defense,and this offense s###ed on top of that.——Anyway ,,,thats our perception problem,and always will be, until we can consistently win those type games

by DR.MARK on Jan 10, 2009 12:55 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

Hmmm...

I understand your questioning the #1 & #2 rankings…. but what about Tech below TCU and other non-notables?
So, I will answer this Question, with A Block Quote from your
“Dr Saturday gives Tech some shout-outs after polls are released” post.

Texas Tech is dissed at No. 12 by coaches and writers alike, far behind their 11-2 peers Alabama (No. 6 in both polls), TCU (7th) and Penn State (8th), as well as two teams (Ohio State and Oregon) that finished with worse records and no wins even approaching the value of the Raiders’ takedown of Texas. Which just, you know, beat Ohio State, by the way. The coaches (although not the writers) also rank Georgia ahead of the Raiders, at No. 11.

Ohio State finished 10-3, with all three losses to teams in the final top eight, but beat one team in the final poll (No. 24 Michigan State, hooray) and only one other team (Northwestern) that even received a vote. The Spartans double as the best win on Georgia’s ledger. Texas Tech had a better record than both, wins over two teams in both polls’ top-20 (Texas and Oklahoma State) and over another two teams (Nebraska and Kansas) that received votes. Its resumé is arguably the most impressive of any two-loss team below Oklahoma, and Alabama and Penn State (which have only one win apiece over a top-20 opponent) both lost bowl games in convincing fashion, too. What is the difference?

To me, this sums “their” thoughts, well.

NCAA Football Grad. Rate: Texas Tech 79%, Baylor 78%, Oklahoma State 62%, Texas A&M 56%, Texas 50%, OU 46%

by Tech Pirate on Jan 10, 2009 9:32 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

Say what you will

There is BIAS against Tech, even when we do well, and 11 wins and only 2 losses is doing well. You have to discount the OU game as an anomaly. No way we lose that bad except as I have stated before, the proverbial snowball rolling downhill syndrome. We can’t play anymore games so most talk is moot, but I really feel we have been dissed bigtime by the AP by being relegated to #12. At worst, I think we should have been about #8 or #9, which would under the circumstances be very acceptable. As Tech92 pointed out though, we need to win away at the big games. Hopefully, the bad losses against teams that are definately worse than us is in the past. Like all the ‘elite’ teams, those kind of losses will rear their ugly heads from time-to-time, but not every year, and not 2-times a year, as it has happened to us in the past. Actually, the bad loss this year was NOT the OU game (anomaly, remember) but in the Cotton Bowl against Mississippi, a team I think was nowhere near Tech’s level of ability. Seriously! Snead is way below Harrell . Their receivers are not even close to ours. Had Crabs been healthy, maybe things would have turned out differently, but we simply cannot rely on that. You simply have to desire the win more than the opponent. That is what Ole Miss had, and we did not. Why? Because our three musketeers were too busy celebrating and receiving their awards to concentrate completely on the Cotton Bowl. Period! i say move those thing to AFTER the bowls. Oh well. Onward and upward, “wait ’til next year.”

TTpilk

by TTpilk645 on Jan 10, 2009 7:23 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

…but we lost the Cotton Bowl pretty convincingly. Talent aside, the end result is indicator enough for me. Sure, if we played them 10 times, we win 8. But we don’t. We played them once, and they won.

Tech’s past continues to haunt its present. Nobody’s fault but our own…not a bias, in my opinion. A reflection of what has happened keeps happening.

by Tech92 on Jan 10, 2009 9:00 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Polls

Too much politics in ap and coaches polls.

See the BCS ranking, Tech is 7th. That is how I see it also.

The football “gurus” are watching and are afraid to give Tech due credit.

We had several players hurt for the Cotton Bowl. Crabtree had 4 catches for 30 yards?
He could not make his cuts due to his ankle. A ranking should be viewed on the total body of work, not the last game.

TTechson76

by TTechson76 on Jan 10, 2009 9:11 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

Correction

I’m not sure the Final BCS poll is out.

by TTechson76 on Jan 10, 2009 9:21 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

There is no such thing

The BCS is only used for setting up the national championship game. That is the final BCS poll. If the BCS came out with a poll after the bowls and had a different team, then it would go right back to my point about the championship game not truly pitting the two best teams in the nation against each other. I guess this is one way they could avoid the question I posed. Since Oklahoma is still ranked #2 in the BCS poll, even though there isn’t a new one, then no one can say that it is flawed or didn’t do its job.

by TracySaulRulz on Jan 10, 2009 11:10 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Do they issue a final BCS poll after the season? I didn’t think they did.

by Tech92 on Jan 10, 2009 9:25 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

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