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Why you Boo the players of your own team



From Ernest Hemingway's "Death in the Afternoon" chapter two..

Star-divide

 

"..Domingo Hernandorena, a short, thick-ankled, graceless Basque with a pale face who looked nervous and incompletely fed in a cheap rented suit...."

 

"Hernandorena could not control the nervousness of his feet. He wanted to stand quietly and play the bull with the cape with a slow movement of his arms, but when he tried to stand still as the bull charged his feet jumped away in short, nervous jerks. His feet were obviously not under his personal control and his effort to be statuesque while his feet jittered him away out of danger was very funny to the crowd. It was funny to them because many of them knew that was how their own feet would behave if they saw the horns coming toward them, and as always, they resented any one else being in there in the ring, making money, who had the same physical defects which barred them, the spectators, from that supposedly highly paid way of making a living."

 

We see their failings on the field as an affront to our since of self, I could wrap up that tackle, I could read that defense, I could kick that ball, and then reality sets in and we realize that no we could not. So rather than admit that, we boo to punish the player for being too much like us.

I really have no problem booing professional athletes who fail to give at least their best effort.

I did not understand Green Bay fans booing Brett Farve, after all it was the Packers who divorced him for a younger QB.

I do not understand booing a collage player who is doing his best, but failing due to a lack of experience or simply being physically out matched. Booing in this instance is arrogance at its worst.

This is a FanPost and does not necessarily reflect the views of Double-T Nation's writers or editors. It does reflect the views of this particular fan though, which is as important as the views of Double-T Nation's writers or editors.

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I will tell you why. Texas Tech charged $95 a person just to get into the A&M game. After shelling out $450 after fees just to get your family in the game, you get dern pissed when the team acts like they don’t care. Plus, booing is kinda fun

by fromcentex on Nov 2, 2009 10:44 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

I do understand your frustration with the $$$$ it now takes to see a game in person.
Lest say that you were a Wall Street fat cat and the money means nothing to you, would you still boo.

VIVA LA FIGA!

by bmaxw on Nov 3, 2009 12:22 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

because they knew that someone else could do the job better

they weren’t trying to discourage tp… they just wanted a different quarterback in the game. Plain and simple.

Plus Potts was doing anything to make it seem like he really wanted to be out there, unlike a certain sticks had done the last 3 weeks

by johnlaf13 on Nov 2, 2009 11:10 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

So you see it as way for the crowd to communicate with the coaching staff., and Potts.
So I assume that cheering, is not a response rooted in emotion but form of communication.
Do you really think Mike Leach makes any decision based on the crowd reaction?
Should players care what fans think?

VIVA LA FIGA!

by bmaxw on Nov 3, 2009 12:30 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Not saying that he actually does or doesnt, but he does tend to take out Potts when the crowd boos, and rarely punts when the crowd chants “go go go”. Granted these are most likely just his coaching tendencies, but it makes sense right?

by RdrPwr on Nov 3, 2009 12:41 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I suppose we could ask 80,000 Nebraska faithful the same thing. That’s the same folks who have sold out that stadium for more than 300 consecutive games, and yet they booed their team for two weeks running.

My point being that utter frustration is not the exclusive province of Tech fans. I doubt seriously if any fans boo when they believe that the players are doing their absolute best. Just the opposite. I’m not saying it’s right by any means, just that it is not as evil-minded as you assume.

by TechFirst on Nov 2, 2009 11:24 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

When we played Nebraska the TC announcers pointed out that the NU fans where booing their own team,

They called them smart fans that know their football and wanted to see their team win rather than make a handful of bad decisions and lose the game.

I can totally agree with that.

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Without Questions; There are limited Resources...

by KWashburn on Nov 3, 2009 12:05 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I did not intend to single out just Tech fans, and you bring up a good point about Nebraska Fans. In fact I would like to hear from then on this subject.
Hemingway is rather long winded so I did not post the whole chapter, but to cut to the chase he did not see this as and evil-minded thing. (The bull fighter tried fighting from his knees a technique perfected by one of the great bull fighter of the time but he fail at this too and ran from the bull getting his thigh ripped open to the bone) The people would give him no sympathy because he was a paid public performer and in their eyes a coward, it would have been better if he had been gored trying to control his feet than to run from the bull. He was laughed at for his lack of ability and booed when his adjustment failed.

VIVA LA FIGA!

by bmaxw on Nov 3, 2009 1:01 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Because we know they can do better.

Same reason a coach yells “Wake up, people!” or chews a guy out because he’s making mental mistakes.

by djollie111 on Nov 2, 2009 11:42 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

The coach has a different relationship to the player than the fan. The coach is in the ring playing along side the the player, they have the same investment in the effort. As much as the fan thinks they are invested in the game with the team, we really are not. We come to be entertained to take bragging rights away from something that we really had nothing to do with.

By the way I am not condemning anyone for booing, that is your right free speech as the Captain would say. I just thought this would be a good discussion for a by week.

VIVA LA FIGA!

by bmaxw on Nov 3, 2009 1:13 AM CST up reply actions   1 recs

We---they

You want to boo the other team? I have no problem with that. Yell away.

We should have more respect for our fellow Red Raiders.

I'm not worthy. Really.

by Campeador on Nov 3, 2009 12:55 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

Booing should be reserved for the enemy

I don’t give a rats ass how much a ticket costs, I am going to the Jones to watch my beloved Red Raiders – and I will not boo them.
Now, with that said, I can understand how young, uneducated (students) get frustrated at this years team not winning as many games as they did last year. After all that is about as far as their memory will allow. I on the other hand, can remember the days of Carlen, and Wilson, and Moore (3 yards in 4 downs). So, I stay excited about the brand of football displayed at the Jones.
Finally, general booing may be one thing, but chanting “no more Potts” is beyond good sense. If we condone that, we should demand they also chant, “no more dropping passes that hit you in the hands” and “no more arm tackleing”, and “no more leaving a birdie putt short” (the last one is for our golf team.

by blackbeard on Nov 3, 2009 6:51 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

I’ll boo on the third interception ; )

by Tech92 on Nov 3, 2009 1:27 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

or the defense gives up 3 20+ yard TD runs

or the coach makes a bad choice twice in a game on 4th down in his own territory…
or the RB fumbles for the 3rd time…
or the linebacker doesn’t wrap up for the 3rd time.

Booing should in most cases be reserved for the other team (and the officials, of course). It’s a good release of frustration, however, as you’re letting that player/unit/coach know that 1) their performance is sub-par, 2) they’ve had ample time to correct it, and 3) they still haven’t.

These are men there of their own free will. Collegiate athletes shouldn’t be held to the same standard as professional ones, of course, but they’re put on the field to produce. They’ve gone through an extensive process to get to this level, and they should be held to a certain degree of accountability. These kids are getting free rides (except in the cases of the walk-ons) to great academic institutions just to PLAY FOOTBALL. There are now AGENTS for high school athletes who put together videos and packages for the players to market players to different colleges.

I’m not a hater who loves to boo my team (I rarely do it), but there are instances where it’s acceptable. Our money is going to pay their tuition, after all, and it doesn’t matter if you’ve bought the cheapest ticket or you’ve set up a $10 million foundation; you have the right to boo.

by rpowel2 on Nov 3, 2009 2:22 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Home Boo vs. Away Boo

To an opposing team, booing is a signal that they are not welcome in that arena. The team is in a strange place with “foreign” people who don’t like them and don’t want them to win. Booing is made supposed to heighten their discomfort.

When the home crowd boos you, they are NOT telling you that you aren’t welcome there, they don’t want you to win, they don’t want you on the team, etc. They are telling you that they are disappointed in the way you are playing and that you need to play better. One good play and they will cheer – its not like they’ve permanently decided to hate you. Fans like players who play well. Booing should motivate a good player to play better (“I’ll show them..”) the same way a kid’s parents telling them they’re disappointed might make the kid do better in the future. It is a form of communication with the player (and the coach); you are not playing up to potential, you need to do something right or you need to go sit down and let someone else try.

In extreme circumstances, where a guy just isn’t in the game and is screwing up every time he touches the ball, I’ll be happy to boo. We – the crowd – have noticed you’re screwing up and not playing at the level we expect. Do better or get off the field. It has nothing to do with my ability, it has everything to do with a lot of people who could be doing a better job and you’re taking their spot and their opportunity to show it.

by merrik on Nov 3, 2009 3:00 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

The Hell you say!

Abiraidr – All due respect as I certainly appreciate ALL Red Raiders.

But I believe you have crossed a line here and I think you should strongly consider if this is true. I for one would never, ever, ever believe this to be the case. Anyone who has played the game (esp O-line) knows you can never do this sort of thing.

I say this for many reasons. First, I watched some of the games. Many of the issues Taylor has had were self-induced. Second, I did see the team get fired up when Sticks came in. But I believe that to be the results of successful play on offense. Third, THE OFFENSE doesn’t play DEFENSE. So the theory on the aTm game is shot out of the water.

This ins’t my site, I’m just a member. But frankly, if I’m Seth, I would pull this post off the site. Rumors belong on a message board.

And if I have offended you, I apologize. But I just can’t sit back and not respond.

by imisswesttexas on Nov 3, 2009 3:36 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

And another thing

Abiraidr – You seriously think if the linemen were doing this or the receivers that they would still be allowed back on the field??? I’ve been around the program up close. Believe me, I’ve seen guys get yanked for not making a block when they were giving 110% to get the job done!

You think if a lineman gave a defensive guy a pass that their ass wouldn’t be dropped to the bottom of the depth chart? It’s a bullshit story and bush-league for you to post this.

by imisswesttexas on Nov 3, 2009 3:46 PM CST up reply actions   1 recs

Clarification

My comments above were directed at a posting made earlier on Tuesday. It’s going to seem out of context if you didn’t see the earlier post. Nothing in the above two are directed at bmaxw’s post.

by imisswesttexas on Nov 4, 2009 8:21 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Don't boo - ever

It’s really bad form – and makes you look very bad, as well. Just common sense.

"Fearless champions ever be; Stand on heights of victory"

by Let's Go Tech! on Nov 3, 2009 3:41 PM CST reply actions   1 recs

No Boo-ing TTU

I agree—no booing necessary ever! What purpose does it serve? Think about it? If a player is not having a good night do you think booing will persuade him to do better—on the contrary!
As fans, we are in the stands TO SUPPORT OUR TEAM, PERIOD! When TTU football or an individual is having a bad game, THEY NEED THE FANS MORE THAN EVER!
As far as BAD REFEREE CALLS, which are too many in the Big 12, except against Texas which they same to always have them swing momentum their way (no lie) against any team, that is a different story. Refs need to know the fans are watching their calls and should be booed in the event of a bad call.
I would like TTU Fans to take the challenge to be the best fan supporters of their team in the NCAA, in a good way. I also think it looks classy for fans to welcome the opposing team, extend a warm welcome when we see them in our town, parking lot, whereever, and then kick their butt ON THE FOOTBALL FIELD! That speaks the loudest. The Longhorn alum are recently becoming very disappointed in their fan’s attitude and is a hot topic in Austin. It does not bode well for a time who wants to rise to the top—not at all!

by BiggestRaiderFan on Nov 3, 2009 10:35 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

It seems that we are pretty nice

to vistiting teams and their fans around Lubbock. For the most part its even ok on gameday. The RaiderGate before aTm this year was about 50/50 aggies and raiders, no problems. But I recall someone pulling a dead cow on a trailer past a group of Longhorn supporters before the game last year. So wrong, but too funny to not laugh at! And its Texas… screw em

by RdrPwr on Nov 3, 2009 11:43 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I truely did not mean to offend anyone and I do appologize for that and if Seth feels that he needs to pull it then so be it. but i have heard many gripes and complaints about many players and and games here and i thought it was a place to voice our likes and dislikes about the current state of a team we love. and i do, very much and have struggled with this for a long time. imiss- trust me when i tell you that i have. And i am not offended because i too felt i must respond.

by abiraidr on Nov 3, 2009 4:33 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

Daddy wouldn't allow booing...

Said it was classless. I think he came up in a different era. Sports were, well, sport. Sportsmanship was important. I boo the refs because I feel it makes them know they may have made a serious mistake that effects alot of people. I don’t boo opponents, don’t wanna give em the satisfaction. I certainly won’t boo my 18-22 year old kids who are supposed to feel they are safe in their own home. I would boo a coach making $3 mil coming from my $400 after a lame call, but our kids may think I’m booing them so I would rather just vote w/ my feet as it would appear about 10,000 people did in re aTm as evidenced at the KU game I attended.

by Plano Jeff on Nov 3, 2009 7:05 PM CST reply actions   1 recs

I'm not a

fan of rumor, insinuation and confidential sources. In fact, the truth be told, I think is that this is pretty fucking shitty and petty. If you’ve got a story to tell, then tell the fucking story and claiming confidential sources is fucking bullshit. If you feel compelled to respond, then post names of players that you intend on making these allegations and use your own name rather than a username.

I find it quite humorous that people are compelled to make an allegation on the internets and then not use a real name or claim that their sources are confidential.

I’ve been in court all day and this has been posted for the past 4 hours and I’m not real happy about it.

DTN is not a place where you get to spread rumors. I’ve taken quite a bit of pride and effort in not doing that sort of thing here and that shit ain’t going to start now. I have no problems losing readers if you think that’s too harsh.

Go Raiders . . .
Double-T Nation

by Seth C on Nov 3, 2009 7:59 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

Some where in heaven

Hemingway is hoisting a glass of absinthe in your honor.
+1

VIVA LA FIGA!

by bmaxw on Nov 3, 2009 8:10 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Thanks

and just to clarify, my comment is aimed squarely at a comment that abiraidr made that I’ve since hid, not at bmaxw’s FanPost. I love Hemingway and have thought about picking up The Sun Also Rises after reading it 15 years ago.

Go Raiders . . .
Double-T Nation

by Seth C on Nov 4, 2009 5:10 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

The Old Man and the Sea

Is first on my list.
For Whom The Bell Tolls
Is second.

VIVA LA FIGA!

by bmaxw on Nov 4, 2009 7:31 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Short Story "Hills Like White Elephants"....

Is where I realized “I” was not one of those people who “got” Hemmingway’s symbolism. Thank God Mom was an English Lit. teacher and that she could help me get through that part of college via telephone. I’ve never understood how some people hated math and science. But I can’t understand how martyrs like Seth could be an English major. That hurts just thinking about reading that story again.

by Plano Jeff on Nov 4, 2009 9:22 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Ha ha, being an engineering major I’m forced to like math and science, yet I love Hemmingway’s works, especially Hills like White Elephants.

by RdrPwr on Nov 4, 2009 9:55 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Booing is terrible

The worst thing possible a fan base can do is to boo any player. One of the main reasons is because of recruiting, would any player let alone the prospects who were in town for the a&m game want to play for a fans who boo them (i.e. Scotty Young). These are the same morons who were booing Graham Harrell against Missouri in 2006 at the Jones. Frankly people who boo red raiders are not real fans of the program. They don’t understand were our program was ten years ago, so they will be gone when they find the next t-shirt color or mascot to cheer for. If you come to boo Tech players don’t come to the game.

by harrell4heisman on Nov 4, 2009 1:19 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

Agreed. Our student section has become a bunch of idiots who go to games just to be seen on tv. If I ever see/hear a Tech fan booing the team I live and die for you can be sure they’re going to get more than an earful from me. If I was a recruit there’s no way I would want to play for a team that is going to boo me. Players don’t feed of their home crowds negativity, they only feed off opposing fans negativity. If you boo-ed Tech at any point in your life do all of us a favor and stay at home, we don’t need you.

by TTUMark on Nov 5, 2009 8:38 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

The worst thing a fan base can do is not show up to support their team

IE: See the 10,000 empty seats witnessed on ABC last weekend against a Big 12 rival. Seriously, we’re all gung-ho about Tier One status and we can’t even sell out our conference games?

No one comes to boo Tech, but we do have expectations of our players and will hold them accountable. Just like the Hemingway piece noted, we don’t want to see a player make an effort that we know I could have done equally as well or better – they’re on the field because they’re batter at it than us.

I know where our program was 30 years ago much less 10 so don’t say I don’t know what it used to be like. True fans stick with this team through thick and thin. Those alongside you will let you know if your boo is warranted or not…I think you’ll find in some cases (see above), it is.

by rpowel2 on Nov 4, 2009 8:18 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

Agreed

much better to see a crowd boo at abissmal play than to not see a crowd at all. Kansas was absolutely pathetic. Less than half the student section full, and they paid for tickets in their tuition!!! I heard way too many people saying that they didnt feel like “watching us lose” after the aTm game. Now of course they are all upset they didnt go, and love the fact that Potts played and we won. Never thought I would think if Tech fans as “fair weather fans”. Alot of the underclassmen dont get into it as much because SGA has continually made threats towards them since orientation saying they should not be intimidating, and if they drink, curse, do anything wrong, they will be kicked out. I’m all for being respectful, but dont bring it on by fear.

by RdrPwr on Nov 4, 2009 2:35 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

SGA

It’s the student govt body at Tech and I’m tired of them trying to ruin the atmosphere at the Jones. We have a capacity of less that 60,000 yet we are continually rated by Big12 players as the place the least like playing at. Why is that? Oh yeah because we don’t care who you are or what you’ve done we’re coming into the game to win. The SGA is indirectly turning our students into the UT student section and I hate it.

by TTUMark on Nov 5, 2009 8:45 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Thought it was something like that

Before the SGA gets completely eaten up with PC, they need to watch some film of an old Vaudeville play. Every time the villain sets foot on the stage, he gets booed and hissed. The hero gets cheered, as does the damsel in distress. It’s audience participation in the play. It’s part of the fun. It’s actually more of the show than the play itself. That’s the way I see our fans when they boo the opponents at every opportunity. Anyone who thinks it’s a negative trait needs to go catch a show at Summer Mummers in Midland (a Vaudeville re-creation). You even get to throw popcorn at the villain. Sometimes the PC crowd needs to stop taking themselves so seriously and get a life.

by TechFirst on Nov 5, 2009 9:31 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Interesting point.

Hemingway saw bullfighting not as a sport in the anglo-saxon since, an equal contest between the bull and the man, but as a Shakespearean Tragedy.
While there is great danger for the man the bulls death is certain.

VIVA LA FIGA!

by bmaxw on Nov 5, 2009 1:37 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Thank you for agreeing

I figured it was only upperclassmen currently at Tech that felt this way.

by RdrPwr on Nov 5, 2009 1:37 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

(See Above)

Anyone who boos a collegiate player for a team they cheer for is a moron in all cases

by harrell4heisman on Nov 4, 2009 5:26 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

Not trolling...

just enjoy following the BIg XII…when you boo, it is the mirror image of a child screaming because they did not get their way. Leach is onto something in Lubbock…lock him down.

"Stats are for losers. I like winning games." - Will Muschamp

by Mulliganville on Nov 4, 2009 6:48 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

Muschamp quote

Mulli – As much as I don’t particularly like UT, I gotta give Muschamp credit for that quote. That was freaking classic when he told that reporter “stats are for losers”. Just an awesome response.

by imisswesttexas on Nov 5, 2009 8:51 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

This has been going on since sports were invented. Caesar and the gladiator fight crowds would boo if the events were low on action. Not to excuse it, but let’s not get too twisted around the proverbial axle about this.

by Tech92 on Nov 6, 2009 3:29 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

I think it’s okay to boo a team collectively. It lets them know that they are not living up to the crowd’s expectations and can be a motivator sometimes. Booing a specific player or chanting “No more _” is just classless, especially when they aren’t a professional athlete. As a team, it is easier to rebound. You do your part to make the team play better. As an individual, 30,000 people booing you can be damaging for life. BIG DIFFERENCE!!

by Hal B on Nov 16, 2009 4:58 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

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