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Double-T Nation Daily Diatribe :: 11.30.09

Big Thanks, Part I:  First and foremost, I need to give a huge shout-out to DTN reader RAIDERDOC, who just offered to send me tickets to Saturday's game, sent them by overnight mail so that I could have them in plenty of time for Saturday's game.  A huge tip of the hat to RAIDERDOC it was and is much appreciated.

Big Thanks, Part II:  Last, but not least, you'll note that I didn't get to the Post Game Thoughts as originally thought.  I decided to spend the entire Sunday with the wife and not work on DTN, but rather help her out with Christmas decorations.  I figured that since Texas Tech didn't have any sort of game this week, I didn't necessarily have to spend time writing previews, putting together tables, etc.  I've ignored her for most Saturdays and Sundays for the better part of the year and she willingly gives me a kitchen-pass when it comes to DTN most, if not all of the time.  I'll be working on Post Game Thoughts tonight and probably post sometime tomorrow.

Potts is the Worst Evah:  I get that QB Taylor Potts didn't have a great game on Saturday night, even the most staunch Potts supporter could agree that he wasn't great.  It was an awful first half, reminiscent of performances like this, this or this (damn straight I'm cherry-picking).  But in the second half, after being down 10-3, Potts was pretty good.  I'll have more on this tomorrow, but Potts finished the 2nd half going 17 for 24 for 145 yards and 2 touchdowns.  I got up yesterday morning, read all of the comments about how Potts didn't hit any receiver in stride the entire game, thought that I had seen a different game, perhaps under the influence, watched the game again and thought that this was a crazy notion. Did he miss receivers?  Sure, find a quarterback that doesn't.  Did he throw behind some receivers?  Sure, find a quarterback that doesn't.

Not only that, I think credit needs to be given to Potts for continuing to believe in the running game, as he (or someone) called 12 rushing plays in the 2nd half good for 55 yards, that's 4.58 yards per attempt.  It would have been real easy to simply pass every play considering how the team was down, but I thought the mix of running plays was a big part of the 2nd half success.

I get the feeling that this is probably a losing battle with most of you guys, in that my efforts to give Potts just a bit of a break will always fail.  Potts isn't perfect, I think we can all agree on that, and he had a bad first half, but he's not the worst quarterback in the history of Texas Tech.  In Graham Harrell's first year quarterbacking this team, Harrell led this team to 8 wins with losses to TCU, Missouri, Colorado, Texas and Oklahoma.  Harrell finished the year with 38 touchdowns and 11 interceptions, while Potts sits at 20 touchdowns and 11 interceptions.  No one will ever win an argument that Potts is the best quarterback, but I just have a hard time agreeing with some of the sentiments that every pass was an abomination.

One other thought that's creeped in my mind, and I don't like talking about injuries, but QB Steven Sheffield is listed at 190 pounds, but would be willing to be that he may not weigh a pound over 180.  The fact that Sheffield is a skinny guy who may not be able to take the pounding that a Big 12 season has to offer is a very real possibility next year.

Not only that, the picture above is visual proof that Potts teammates absolutely hate him.

At the end of the day, I think we all want the same thing, which is for the best quarterback to play, but some of the Potts-critiques seem harsh or perhaps I'm too soft, not mean enough, need to have a take and rip a player for not being better than he actually is or crap on a player despite getting a win. 

Baylor's Best:  LAJ's Don Williams writes that the Baylor Bears brought their best on Saturday.  Head captain Mike Leach seems proud of the effort:

"Baylor was more ready to play than we were,’’ Tech coach Mike Leach said, "and Baylor came in and gave us their best shot. It’s the best game I’ve seen them play all year and we (won), and for that, I’m very proud of our guys. Sometimes, you’ve just got to find a way.’’

Sharpe's Record:  LAJ's Don Williams with a small notebook, but does have the note that the quarterback hurry that resulted in the Baylor QB throwing the ball away was officially changed to a sack, giving DE Brandon Sharpe 15.0 for the year.  Leach had this to say about Sharpe:

"The last three-quarters of the season, he got on a tear,’’ Tech coach Mike Leach said. "Just think if the first four games were like that.’’  Leach said some credit should go to defensive end Daniel Howard, who has been credited with eight sacks this season.

"I think what makes it really difficult (for blockers) and really makes (Sharpe’s) job easier is the fact there’s a lot of heat on that other side with Daniel Howard,’’ Leach said. "We had a situation like that a few years back when we had Aaron Hunt and Adell Duckett on either side.  It’s a lot different than just having one.’’

. . . Williams also mentions how IR Austin Zouzalik has slowly but surely replaced fellow IR Detron Lewis . . .

Texas Tech vs. Baylor Leftovers:  DT's Alex Ybarra writes that the Red Raiders survived the Baylor scare, with the defense coming up big against the Bears, and fellow-writer Adam Coleman focuses on freshman RB Eric Stephens goat-to-hero game . . . WacoTrib's John Werner writes that moving the game to Cowboys Stadium was the right move . . .

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I may be the only one (besides the Captain) that agrees with you about Nick. I believe his reads are improving, his timing is much better and had he not been out for two games he would be on track.
Your readers need to take a deep breath and get over the fact that Graham and Crab are not here, nor or they coming back. Lets move on.
I have more of a problem with the OL play (and I realize that injuries are a big part of this) and most of all, I have to wonder if we will ever get corners that can man up and not give a 10 yard cushion.
As a whole, we got a lot of young guys that got a lot of good experience this year AND we are going to a decent bowl once again. Leach has proven that he knows what he is doing time and time again. Lets trust him on improving this bunch and come out swinging next year.

by blackbeard on Nov 30, 2009 6:56 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

True Harrell and Crab are not coming back, but there are other weapons at Leach’s disposal. About QB, yes Potts has made progress but there are others who have shown that they can be better than Potts. I think Leach dropped the ball to begin with by starting the season with Potts instead of Sheffield. Sure, with more games Potts will get better but this improvement will continue to come at a huge opportunity cost for Tech if we pursue this option. Sticks and Doege have both shown they can throw better and with more reps they will bot supass Potts probably as the number 1 and 2 QB’s in the team. If our goal is to see how successful Leach and Tech can make Potts then I think we should continue with him at QB, if our goal is to see whether Tech can go to a BCS bow or a National Championship game, then we should probably give the more talentented QB’s on our roster, the chance to start next year.

by jef on Nov 30, 2009 9:32 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

nothing against him...

I’ve got nothing against Doege, and I’m sure he’s a good QB, but what evidence do you have that he’s BETTER than Potts? The one game he started he got pulled for Potts, so at BEST (right now) I think he’s even. Maybe the spring treats him well and he takes the reins next year, but nothing I’ve seen makes that a foregone conclusion, IMO.

As for Sticks, I think he’s got some spirit and some skills, but I agree with Seth that we’re going to need to get real lucky to go a full season without losing him. A running QB is always at risk and doubly so if his frame is as slight as Sheffield. I’d like a good competition over the offseason, but I’d prefer to pick a QB and stick with him.

Right this moment, I’d rather see Potts behind center next year. He has the most reps, I think he learned a lot this year and I think he’ll be better for the adversity he faced. True, Sheffield had some great games when he played and I say if he heals up over the break, I would LOVE to see him line up on the wing as a receiver. We had way too many drops in the Baylor game and I think Sheffield could be another R. Johnson. If we can get the midfield reads and the RB screens working WELL, then I think Potts will do very well as the QB.

by HeeroTX on Nov 30, 2009 10:10 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Point well taken. But I don’t think I mentioned that Seth Doege was better than Potts, my observation instead was that it looked like he was throwing better, but the mere fact that it is difficult to tell if our starting QB is actually making better plays than the number 3 QB in the team (who has probably had far less preps during the practice) is in fact alarming. But Potts did surprise me in the OU game ans hopefully he will prove me wrong next year.

by jef on Nov 30, 2009 10:32 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

To be fair

You said in your first comment above…..

Sticks and Doege have both shown they can throw better and with more reps they will bot supass Potts probably as the number 1 and 2 QB’s in the team.

You can’t say a particular QB throws better than another and should be moved up the depth chart then back track and say you didn’t say he was “better”. That kind of doesn’t make any sense.

by Boarder on Nov 30, 2009 1:32 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

+1

I second that. Potts may not reach the level of Harrell, but he has shown a lot. Especially considering the physical abuse on the field he took early on and the uncalled for fan abuse off. Wreck Em.

by cweber7377 on Nov 30, 2009 7:30 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

I still think we’re getting close to the best of what Potts will be. I just don’t see any major flashes that get me real excited. I don’t hate the kid and I don’t think he’s the worst ever. But I would rather someone else be given the keys.

by Tech92 on Nov 30, 2009 7:32 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

Respectfully disagree

I think Potts will surprise everyone next year. While watching the game against Texas I was excited about Potts’ potential. After that game, Leach made the comment about how Potts is one of the toughest QB’s he’s seen. He was picked to start the season for a reason, and i believe everyone will see it and the fans that were calling “no more potts” will have to eat their words.

by TechRaiders on Nov 30, 2009 10:11 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Potts' throwing mechanics

are absolutely terrible and will continue to account for at least one int and a few >_< moments every single game if they don’t change, but you are correct in the respect that his decision-making and pocket presence are improving. We’ll see how the QB derby shakes out this spring, but I’d say he’s got a solid shot at being named the starter going forward.

by mojavereject on Nov 30, 2009 8:14 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

I disagree

I won’t say that Potts is the worst QB ever at Tech. But to compare him to GH’s sophomore year isn’t accurate either in my opinion. GH had almost 2x the TD to INT ratio. I know the number of ints is the same, but I have always been a fan of the TD to INT ratio and they aren’t even in the same ballpark. If TP had another 2 years I’d be more inclined to wait through the growing pains, but he only has one left. As an upper classman his performance should be compared to the string of senior QBs Leach brought through or Kliff’s junior year. Honestly, I don’t really have time to go look up their stats since I’m at work or I would.

I agree that there should be some concern about Sheffield getting broken even worse over a 12 game season… he had to get a pin in his foot after 2 games.

I’d love to see Doege or Karam get some time in with the young WRs this summer and make Leach consider another 3 or 4 year run like we had with GH. The reason we had so much success with GH is he had 3 years of true game time experience. I hate to list these names, but just think of Tebow, Mccoy, and Bradford… none of those guys are senior starters or even 2 year starters for that matter. I know Leach thinks a year on his practice field out behind the Jones is equal to a season as starter, but he is wrong.

My personal assessment of where Potts is at in his technique is roughly what we could expect from an excellent sophomore or great RS freshman… hopefully Doege or Karam will fit that mold and be able to give us the season we are poised for next year and then continue to improve for the next few years to come beyond that even.

by jdeeTTU on Nov 30, 2009 8:49 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

Yeah but

Where would Potts be if he hadn’t had the concussion? Seriously. That can take a guy down a notch or two. If he hadn’t suffered the concussion, I believe his TD to INT ratio would be better in terms of how you are rating him. For weeks after a concussion, a person can suffer slow thinking and moving.

I do agree though, I would like to see someone have the play time Graham Harrell had.

by TechRaiders on Nov 30, 2009 10:16 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I still find myself wondering what would have happened if Sticks never would have been injured.

by VirtuaCory on Nov 30, 2009 9:02 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

maybe we win @ OSU?

can’t really see how he could have impacted the defense’s utterly horrific outing against A&M. Best-case scenario, we’re 9-3 instead of 8-4.

by mojavereject on Nov 30, 2009 9:04 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I disagree......

The offense sparks the defense. I think if we would have had Sticks in during the A&M game it would have been a different outcome. Maybe a loss still but not a bad loss. Possibly even a win.

Nobody on DTN really knows if the team plays better behind Potts or Sheffield. But as a rabid fan I can see from my coaching couch in my living room that Sheffield makes the team want to play harder. Potts doesn’t SEEM to have that. He might, but I haven’t seen it. I would love to see Potts take the keys and produce. Give him the bowl game and we will see what happens.

Sheffield has the ability even though he’s “little” by some people’s standards. Welker is “little” by most people standards too. Sticks is just as tough as Potts is IMHO.

There will be an EPIC QB battle come spring time. Potts, Sheffield, Doege, and Karam are going to battle it out. I think the outcome maybe a little different than most think.

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by KWashburn on Nov 30, 2009 10:28 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

On a side note.....

I’m not hating on Potts. I think he has the potential to be a stellar QB. But at what cost? If he succeeds and does well during the bowl game and next season, wonderful. What if he still needs to learn a few things? Are we willing to let the curve come to him or does he need to step up and figure it all out?

I don’t think Leach recruits a bunch of QB’s just to start one and not let the others play. So the theory that Potts will start regardless is flawed. Potts will start because at the time he is the right choice, not because Leach is biased. Can we really doubt Leach’s abilities? The guy is doing a fantastic job.

This makes me think of Josh Freeman over and over again. He had the “qualities” and the wrong team. Then he gets drafted and now he’s starting.

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by KWashburn on Nov 30, 2009 10:42 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

he probably would have thrown more pick 6s to put us in a bigger hole

by ST04 on Nov 30, 2009 10:20 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Likewise

I’d like to see what would have happened had Potts not been injured.

by TechRaiders on Nov 30, 2009 10:17 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Just want to win.....

I think we all here really agree at this point and that is that we don’t care a lot about who is the QB but that he can win! GH is the winnist QB in TTech history and not just because he played for 3 yrs.(even though that helped). Also I think we have great potential with the other QB’s down the roster. TTech O is very young and I look forward to next year’s version. Lastly to Sticks, he is rather slight but if he broke his foot when the Neb. Dlineman kick him then alot of players would have a broken foot. It just seemed to be a fluky kind of injury. Anyway, Cowboy Stadium is unbelievable and TTech does have a great football future. I’m glad I’m a Red Raider not a osu(copycat) because at the end of the day TTech is sitting much better than them! Wreck’Em!

by techgolf44 on Nov 30, 2009 9:06 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

If there was a qb better, he would be playing

It is that simple. The head coach has remarked, on a number of occasions, that no one has really stepped up at qb. It is not an issue between qb ‘a’ vs ‘b’. There is no one who is consistent. That is the problem.

It showed on Mike Leach’s face during the post game interview. He showed a clearly worried look over the challenge of getting to a higher level of consistency…actually he was talking more in terms of team play…before or for the bowl game. He is clearly puzzled.

Potts did have a squence of plays in which he was pretty effective. He also looked out of sync part of the time. I saw drops from players who I thought could have caught the ball.

I cannot understand a guy like Detron Lewis being passed by anyone in the reciever corps, that does not compute, it is opened ended in my thinking an perhaps an indicater of something that I do not understand.

One more game to enjoy ! I am happy for that !!

by TallMike on Nov 30, 2009 9:15 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

We won because Baylor let us start our 2 TD drives at their 32 and 36, not because Potts or the offense had a much improved second half, IMO. Two things trouble me going into the bowl game and next year. (1) I see Potts making the same mistakes he made early in the year, and (2) there seems to be a void in leadership (you say where) that results in a team that may or may not show up at every game.

by TechFirst on Nov 30, 2009 9:17 AM CST reply actions   1 recs

Odds and Ends

The University of North Dakota won its game Saturday to finish the year 6-5, second place in their conference. The game was eerily similar to ours. They played the Bears (of Western Arkansas) and won a close came in which they had to hold off a rally at the end. Two rallies actually. UND blocked two field goal attempts in the 4th quarter to win 17-16.

by TechFirst on Nov 30, 2009 9:53 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

Thanks

I had just about forgotten to check them out. I became a fan of theirs after our game with them—-just impressed with the fans and the team.

TTpilk

by TTpilk645 on Nov 30, 2009 8:12 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I often wonder what would happen if cochroaches had machine guns.....

I guess we may never know, so why dwell on the things we can’t change. We can what if this season all day long. What if Potts never got a concussion, what if our recievers never dropped a pass that hit them in the hands, and the list can go on and on. Personally, I don’t think it’s fair to compair any player or team to the one that came before them. Why? Because that is not who they are. Each person brings different things to the table. You do not have the same qualities as your brother or sister. If or when you played, was it fair to compair you to the person who you replaced. No, because you were not them. For those that have played the game, just remember what it was like to be in their shoes. The games you should have won but lost, the ones you should have lost but won, and all the ones in between. It’s why we played.

Let’s not forget that this is football, heck it’s sports as a whole, on any given day anything can happen. This has been a year of unexplainable events and why did this or that happen. So here is what i think. God has a plan for each of those men on the team and just as He gave them the ability to do what they do, He can give them a heck of a time getting it done. I have had the opportunity to talk to some players and their parents through the year and have told them this very thing. I don’t know why they are going through such a rough time, but I can’t help but think that God has great things planned for their them. You know, God tells us that He WILL give us trials and tribulation but will not give any more than what we can handle. And that when those have past, we will be lifted up above where we started so long as we trust in him and keep the faith.

So keep the faith. Something tells me there is a whole lot of good stuff coming… Be Blessed

by abiraidr on Nov 30, 2009 9:58 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

If cochroaches had machine guns...

There would be rat feed lots.
Ants would belong to the AFL-CIO
A&M would be darker and damper.
Going Rogue would be selling even better.
George the II would have had only one term
ESPN would still be the same
ACORN would have a much larger customer base.
Butterflies would be pole dancers.
BIn Laden would have been caught by now
Twilight would have never been published.
Flies could blog
Bill Mahr would be funny.
Taylor Potts would be blamed for the rise of DOW Chemical
Dumps would be high end property.
TCU would still be kicking ass.
Colt and Jordan would be pupa buddies.
Houston would be the capital of the the world.
I could go on, but I won’t.

VIVA LA FIGA!

by bmaxw on Nov 30, 2009 10:33 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I don't hate Potts

He’s gotten better. Pocket presence and making quick decisions, mostly. It’s either his accuracy or the receiver’s hands not being able to catch his 100 MPH footballs, but there’s still something missing there. Maybe its our semi-newbie receiving corps who can’t catch his hard thrown passes or run fast enough to get there when they’re overthrown on deep routes.

I think the disappointment comes from a lot of people who were not expecting a huge drop-off in the level of quarterback play and leadership over the last few years, given that they had 3 years to find and prep the next guy. I think Leach is setting us up to win big next year, and I’m excited about that, no matter who is throwing the ball.

by merrik on Nov 30, 2009 10:22 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

Absolutely...

I have to agree with you on this, Seth.

What I dont get is the hate heaped on this kid. Especially the unsubstantiatable, (is that a word?), and unquantifiable mularkey that passes for analysis about him.

Stuff like:

He throws off his back foot. So what? Harrell threw off his tip toes.
 
Team mates wont play for him?Bull$hit!!! Tell that to Torres last week and Leong this week. They made spectacular plays for their QB. Potts is making throws that he completes that have to be made. Especially when A) the db isnt looking or B) the ball is places where only his WR can make a play on the ball and the WR is actually making it. I call your attention to the fade to Leong in the endzone that drew a flag.

Sheffield just wants to win more than Potts WTF?!?!?!

Cant compare GH Soph year because TP is a Junior? Really? one whole year difference? C’mon! I havent looked at the stats for that year but I will bet that we didnt have half the rushing TDs we have this year.

Injuries Sheffield gets the starry-eyed speculation of what if he was never hurt….what if Potts doesnt get a concussion? What if Potts had a gelled OLine the whole season?

Win “X” started by Sheffield could not have been won by Potts etc
…Again based on what? Sure its your gut instinct but unless you have a Time Machine with FWD and RWD button you cannot compare the two possibilities. The statement earlier that EVEN Doege could have won such and such a game is just going out of your way to $hit on a guy.

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by Tortilla Pirate on Nov 30, 2009 10:25 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

I agree with much of the above.

I think a lot of the vitriol towards Potts, not necessarily here so much but on the message board circuit, is completely unfounded. But…

He throws off his back foot. So what? Harrell threw off his tip toes.

And if Harrell had the same completion percentage, YPA, TD:Int ratio, and passer rating as Potts did this year (in less time) then I’m sure more of us would have loudly wondered, circa 2007, whether Harrell was the right guy to lead the team given his poor mechanics. But Harrell won just as many games as Potts, and with a worse defense (as measured by total yards, yards per play, and points per game).

Cant compare GH Soph year because TP is a Junior? Really? one whole year difference? C’mon! I havent looked at the stats for that year but I will bet that we didnt have half the rushing TDs we have this year.

Seems like a pretty fair criticism. I wouldn’t make a 1:1 comparison between BJ Symons and Potts, either, given that the former had more time to learn the offense, and more practice reps before stepping out on the field. In any event, if your point is true it isn’t going to bode well for Potts, since it will just make comparisons between him and Cody Hodges, BJ Symons, and Cumbie entirely 1:1.

I agree with all your other points, I think they are erroneous criticisms of Potts, for the most part. I do think there is something to be said for Potts being incapable of winning the Nebraska game, given how often they were in the backfield, defensively. Whatever can be said of Potts compared to Sheffield, we all agree the latter is better suited at avoiding a pass rush.

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by Skin Patrol on Nov 30, 2009 10:44 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I do think there is something to be said for Potts being incapable of winning the Nebraska game, given how often they were in the backfield, defensively. Whatever can be said of Potts compared to Sheffield, we all agree the latter is better suited at avoiding a pass rush.


I agree with this 100%!!

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by KWashburn on Nov 30, 2009 11:05 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

He throws off his back foot. So what? Harrell threw off his tip toes.

Every throw? No, Harrell did not. Potts always throws off his back foot, leaving his throws naturally short or long if he overcompensates for his horrid mechanics. This contributes to Potts throwing interceptions and stalling several drives every single game he’s played and is one major reason why Tech lost at Houston and at OSU (dare I bring up UT?).

Why does mentioning this give you the fits, or upset you enough to make words up? Heh. If you don’t believe Potts’ poor mechanics is a serious issue, then I’m not sure what to tell you. You’ve made it clear you don’t think people whom criticize Potts’ decision to sit down after every throw doesn’t count as analysis, and that’s fine, but pointing out what another QB does in defense of Potts isn’t exactly a reasoned argument either.

That said, the issue of throwing off his back foot can be cured, and I’m hopeful ‘Nick’ will realize how ridiculous he looks and why his doing so is killing independent Taylor Potts. I don’t recall Potts trying to sit down after every throw when he came in for spot duty the past couple of years. If Potts will put the work in and re-learn/learn how to step into a throw, he can be a very good college QB with one heck of an arm. If he doesn’t, he needs to be replaced.

I can live with mistakes because that at least intimates the correct play was attempted, but it’s hard to watch a guy continue to play worse than he could be due to bad habits when he’s had months to iron that out.

by Chad_ on Nov 30, 2009 12:19 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

That’s fine…if you wanna debate real points I can do that. Thats what keeps the Blogosphere lively.

But its the statements like (again)

Potts always throws off his back foot

that I have a problem with. I remember at least two or three occasions where the TV commentators mentioned his good mechanics and mentioned when he displayed BAD mechanics.

and

it’s hard to watch a guy continue to play worse

He played pretty damn well in the OU game as anyone can recall.

I do NOT recall, however, anyone cutting him some slack for the three and out we went in the 1st half on THREE STRAIGHT dropped passes.

Look, I can see when TP stinks up the joint. and he does sometimes. But I just think people go out of their way to definitively make conclusions about him that are mostly unfounded and unprovable. If you wanna debate stats like Skin Patrol does further down this thread then thats fine.

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by Tortilla Pirate on Nov 30, 2009 2:54 PM CST up reply actions   2 recs

First off, if you’re relying on television commentators to form your own opinion, you’re in a tough spot. If, and I’ll take you at your word on this, Saturday’s television crew praised Potts’ mechanics, they weren’t watching the same game I was.

To the larger point, if you really don’t think Potts is losing velocity and accuracy on his throws by throwing off his back foot repeatedly, there’s no way you and I, or you and anyone, could possibly discuss the ‘Potts issue’ to any sort of mutually beneficial close. It’s beyond obvious what Potts is doing and why doing so is fundamentally wrong. Heck, stepping up to throw is one of the very first lessons an athlete is taught in any sport, football certainly included.

Secondly, don’t slice and dice a sentence I’ve written in order to misconstrue my point into something you want to argue. I wrote, in part, " . . . it’s hard to watch a guy continue to play worse than he could be due to bad habits when he’s had months to iron that out." I specifically wrote Potts could play better, yet you decided not to quote that or to argue anything to the contrary. I’ll have to ascertain you agree with that point, which calls into question what, exactly, is your main gripe.

It’s also interesting you truncated that quote so you could bring up the OU game. Well, Potts still threw off his back foot during that game as he has in each and every game he’s played. Potts still hasn’t played as well as he could play, which is the entire point of the sentence you decided to mangle.

Potts has a very good arm, both in strength and accuracy, but he’s seriously limiting his potential by not curing his own bad habits, chiefly among them is his throwing off his back foot. Doing so is a killer.

Whether or not Potts is not being coached well enough (I’m certainly open the idea of an actual former QB helping him fix this mechanical flaw) or whether this is simply the Taylor Potts 2.0, I don’t know. I do know, however, Tech would be a much better team if Potts could simply step into a throw.

by Chad_ on Nov 30, 2009 3:13 PM CST up reply actions   1 recs

Agreed

Potts can play SO much better. I just think its unfair to make his development THAT much harder when he has to look over his shoulder to to blogs or kids in the stand chanting NO MORE POTTS

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Wreck 'em, Tech!

by Tortilla Pirate on Nov 30, 2009 4:07 PM CST up reply actions   1 recs

Well he didn’t learn to do so in the 9.5 games that he got to play in but hopefully after one more game and the spring practice, he will stop throwing on the back foot. Let’s hope for the best

by jef on Nov 30, 2009 3:14 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Chad

I disagree, the reason we lost to UT, OSU and Houston and Dare I say the Aggies, was because the team as a whole was not doing their job. I agree with the sentiment that the O-Line was lacking in protection for the QB, and Leach has alluded to the fact that people were not doing their jobs. You cannot expect one or two players to pull the weight of the entire team. It’s nice when you have awesome playmakers such as Crab out there, but when you don’t you need the team to do their job. I’ve witnessed many of games where i thought we could have and probably should have won. Lest we forget, the best season was last year, which means all other season we finsished like 8-4, 9-4 after the bowl games.

I hope this team surprises everyone, me included next year, with Potts at the helm.

Wreck ’em.

by TechRaiders on Nov 30, 2009 10:34 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Should I use a different font?

I wrote Potts was “one major reason” for the losses against OSU and Houston, not “the reason.” There’s a difference. And he was.

by Chad_ on Dec 1, 2009 8:31 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Tortilla Pirate

Loved your rant. I wholeheartedly agree!!!!!!!!!

by TechRaiders on Nov 30, 2009 10:27 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Thanks

…I just had to vent.

“that was a highly articulate outburst!”

- -Mike “The Young Ones”

The Lyle Leong Bandwagon will Continue to Roll!!!

Respect Everyone....Fear No One!

Wreck 'em, Tech!

by Tortilla Pirate on Dec 1, 2009 9:46 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

You go WAY back

If you remember The Young Ones. I loved Vivian and Neil.

by Plano Jeff on Dec 1, 2009 8:42 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

However we as a fan base feels about our QB situation, I think one positive came from all this mess: Leach has a better handle on how to handle this in the future. I’ve always been a bit hard on Leach, and often times I think I’m right on the money. But I must give him credit for admitting that he has handled this in a less than stellar manner this year. To his credit, again, he has never had to do this sort of thing with a QB so it was new for him. I seriously doubt we’ll ever have the QB yo-yo effect again as long as Leach is the HC.

I do think that the job will be up for grabs in the spring when Potts, Sheffield, Doege and whomever else will have had this season to learn and hopefully grow. Plus, I am guessing they will all be fully healthy when they compete for this gig. I’m looking forward to how that all shakes itself out.

by Tech92 on Nov 30, 2009 10:48 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

I do think that the job will be up for grabs in the spring when Potts, Sheffield, Doege and whomever else will have had this season to learn and hopefully grow.

Speaking of “whomever else” is anyone else curious to see if maybe Karam can have a huge spring and become the guy next year??? My first choice would be Sheffield, but Karam really brings a lot to the table from an athletic standpoint. The kid runs about a 4.5 and has just as strong an arm as sheffield or Potts. I am excited to see if he can step up and be our QB for the next 4 years should Sheffield or Potts manage to lose the starting job. As for Doege, I kinda view him similarly to Sheffield…extremely prone to injury because of those two “knees” he has to contend with. Sadly, I think Doege will only be able to be a solid backup at Tech…even if Karam doesn’t win the job next year, after Potts/Sheffield are gone I think he bypasses Doege. He’s too athletic to only play for a year.

by techtom4 on Nov 30, 2009 12:07 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Sticks needs to put on about 25 pounds for me to feel comfortable with him as the every day starter. He runs beautifully, but running QBs take a ton of big hits over the course of year – more than a pocket QB. Not sure if added weight would kill his mobility (does for some, for others it doesn’t do anything), but it would allow him to be a bit more durable.

by Tech92 on Nov 30, 2009 2:22 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

When I said we might be surprised at the end of the spring after the QB battle......

This is exactly what I meant…..

Maybe Karam will be slinging the rock around…..

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by KWashburn on Nov 30, 2009 2:53 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

my final word on this topic (today)

The great Captain will play those that are ready to make all the plays 9given the choice) (and did you not see Sheff still limping on the sidelines?) the receivers need to make more catches, the line needs to provide quality time in the pocket, the corners need to come up, perhaps we need helmets like Missouri’s (those were fantastic this weekend), Detron needs to get open more, Carter should have kept his mouth shut and mohawk on. and here we are at the beginning of December with a better record than OU and Texas still sucks.

by blackbeard on Nov 30, 2009 11:04 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

I'm glad somebody finally did this......

Thanks for your hard work Skin Patrol, this will indeed shine some light on the subject…..

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by KWashburn on Nov 30, 2009 11:09 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

" "" (is Sheffield’s game against Kansas State truly indicative of how great he is? I hope so, but doubt it). """ I agree that the whole team overahieved themselves in the KSU game.,, but a healthy Sheffield showed me in the Nebraska game that he is the better QB and athlete to lead this team next year—not even close

by Dr. Mark on Nov 30, 2009 2:02 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

sheffield is awesome and he should take care of business from now on. he can handle the pressure and he is hungry!

by cfraider on Dec 3, 2009 4:14 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

ok, so I lied

Clint Longley had a good game once also.

by blackbeard on Nov 30, 2009 11:14 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

1) I think that Potts might benefit greatly from a spring with an actual QB as a QB coach. You mentioned mechanics and that might be fixable. I think we saw in the game what kind of effect Cumbie had on Potts as, after the first pick, he started to do things like slide up and out of the pocket instead of back-peddling madly and throwing off his back foot. That was pretty great to see.

2) I think, after the season we had, that the QB competition will be fully, 100% open. 4 guys will be competing for that spot, 2 seniors, a sophomore and a RS Freshman. The true freshman is the only player that won’t get a shot and that’s because he won’t be here for the spring. I’m fairly certain that it’s going to come down to Potts and Sheffield, though. The bowl game may give us our first glance at how Leach will handle the two QB’s this spring.

3) Speaking of 2 QB’s… how do you manage that for the bowl? Potts has been more comfortable than before, Sheff’s got the fans clamoring for him to get back on the field. Personally, I’d leave it up to them, either on the field or by mutual decision. Wouldn’t that be odd.

by kayakyakr on Nov 30, 2009 11:16 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

Potts

isn’t the worst ever by far but we have to find a leader for this offense. Tech is known for it’s passing game and this year has proved the “system” can’t be ran by just anybody. Nothing personal against Potts by this Red Raider but I just can’t see him being the QB we all expect him to be. Yes, the bar is set higher now that Tech has better athletes and is being viewed on national television more. If we want to succeed we need to hold players and coaches to a higher standard or we remain an average team meeting bowl eligibility. I think Leach knows this and will make the correct choices for this team. I want a QB that full of fire and executes when a game is close. Harrell was perfect for Tech and met that criteria. There are at least 2 players and one on the way that can compete for the starting position. I just hope all these guys get a chance to compete without it being a default to somewhat experienced senior at QB next season.

by Raider1992 on Nov 30, 2009 11:56 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

    +++++

by Dr. Mark on Nov 30, 2009 2:28 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I thank all that is Holy

that Mike Leach is the Coach and the no one on this site (including me) has any say in decisions on player personnel or play calling for Texas Tech Football.
Ya’ll are GREAT fans, with a passion for your team, but when it comes to running a team…

 I believe you need to be standing on the sideline, amongst the players with their expectations, futures and the weight of the program on your shoulders to truly be able to evaluate the potential of any team member. Stats and figures make interesting history but become meaningless once the coin is tossed. Leach has proved time and again that he can find and develop the gritty drive in his players to over come the athletic superiority of rival programs. I see no reason to doubt his judgment in future campaigns.

If we open a quarrel between past and present, we shall find that we have lost the future.
Winston Churchill

VIVA LA FIGA!

by bmaxw on Nov 30, 2009 12:58 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

+1

Good Point.

by ST04 on Nov 30, 2009 1:51 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I am not accustomed to questioning the decisions of Mike Leach.

I think you’re right about a few things:

1. Nothing that is said here matters.
2. Mike Leach is largely unimpeachable in re: which quarterback he wants to start.

1 is irrelevant, since nothing we analyze here matters at all but it’s still fun to do so anyways. Backseat coaching is par for the course among CFB fans. 2 is true because Leach has had such an enormous amount of success passing the football with so many people. From Tim Couch to Josh Heupel to Kliff Kingsbury to BJ Symons to Sonnie Cumbie to Cody Hodges to Graham Harrell… virtually every kid this guy has handed a football and a gameplan to has succeeded above and beyond anything they did either prior to or after Coach Leach’s tutelage.

If Mike Leach had totally married himself to Potts this season, I probably would not be so worried about his future with the team. But Leach has expressed doubt about Potts’ ability to coach the team. From the superficial changing of his name to ‘Nick’ ostensibly as a motivational tool to actually pulling Potts in favor of a Doege during the A&M game. Potts did not get the start in the Oklahoma State game. although he was apparently ready to play, seeing as coach put him in later.

It is just an unusual situation for us at Tech to have this quarterback “controversy,” as it is pretty much unprecedented in the Leach-at-Tech era, and so far as I can tell there hasn’t been a controversy at any other place in Leach’s career. It makes me uncomfortable.

Also…

Stats and figures make interesting history but become meaningless once the coin is tossed. Leach has proved time and again that he can find and develop the gritty drive in his players to over come the athletic superiority of rival programs.

I’m an admitted stat nerd and thus am really biased, but I take huge exception to this. Stats and figures may be “meaningless” in some minor sense, if only because statistics don’t win football games (they do, actually; points and PPG are statistics). If “Leach has proved time and again that he can find and develop the gritty drive in his players to over come the athletic superiority of rival programs” then that “proof” is evidenced somewhere, say, statistically. The reason Mike Leach deserves the benefit of the doubt on quarterbacks is because he’s coached multiple guys who have set NCAA records. In order to prove Mike Leach’s bona fidas, which you take for granted, you will have to rely in large part precisely on the thing you claim is “meaningless.” The idea that statistics couldn’t tell us anything about our own quarterback is facially bogus; suppose Taylor Potts had the “statistic” of having thrown 1 touchdown to 22 interceptions. Could anyone then, with a straight face, claim that one would “need to be standing on the sideline, amongst the players with their expectations, futures and the weight of hte program on your shoulders to truly… evaluate the potential of” Potts?

The reason I care about stats is because they help to understand the game. In many ways, they are superior to anecdotal observation. Every single coach in the entire country relies heavily on statistics in every facet of the game, and telling us that we shouldn’t is really just telling us that Mike Leach is wrong to do so (and I’m certain he does).

Having said that, I fully acknowledge that Mike Leach has more data on his quarterbacks than I do, which is precisely why he will get the benefit of the doubt — at least with me — no matter who he names as starter, until it becomes blatantly clear that he’s made an error. I don’t think Potts is obviously an error at starter, but I think there’s reason to suspect he is the worst quarterback of the Leach era. It is an uncontroversial fact that somebody is the worst starting QB Leach has had, and there isn’t a name that jumps to mind who played worse than Potts did this season.

Go register. Or else.

by Skin Patrol on Nov 30, 2009 2:58 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

"facially bogus" I like that one!

I disagree, of course, but I will still give you props for that one.

I agree that stats are a important tool in evaluating a player, as long as variable are taken into account. That is where I tend to take them with a grain of salt. How much did the level of competition and the level of our team experience factor into the differences between various QBs?

I think that when out team fails it is largely a mental issue, not a physical one.
Execution of the play is always the key to winning at Tech, mentally getting it right is the designed leverage against superior physical opponents. Over the years Coach Leach has made changes to his approach; on defense, on special teams, ect…
This year I saw a new approach at getting into the players head, the “Nick” approach.
I guess the jury is still out on how well it worked, but at least he is trying new ways of dealing with getting players to think right .

The “it” that flips that mental switch is an elusive phantom, but when it is found it relegates everything that has come before as meaningless while paving the way for success.

Now lets just agree to disagree.

I will give you the last words.

I’m facially bogus.

VIVA LA FIGA!

by bmaxw on Nov 30, 2009 6:35 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

OT?

The basketball team got votes in both the AP and Coaches poll! After the original predictions for this team, I’d call that pretty remarkable. Let’s just see what we do against Wash…

by kevinkinsler on Nov 30, 2009 2:02 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

Quarterback Debate

A couple of weeks ago, I defended Potts on this website. I think that much of the criticism against him has been overblown.

Having said that, the true question at the quarterback position is Potts v. Sheffield, not Potts v. the past. There are trade-offs. Potts is more durable and has a better arm. Sheffield has more mobility and appears to see the field better and quicker. I believe a healthy Sheffield would have made a difference in the outcome of the Houston and OSU games. I’m not sure about the A & M game. It would have been close, given the poor play by the defense. But a lot of that had to do with momentum, which could have been changed by a better start at the quarterback position.

Is it fair to compare Potts to a healthy Sheffield since we do not have a healthy Sheffield? I don’t know. Until Potts learns how to quit throwing off of his back foot, learns how to better find Lewis and Swindall (who needs to hold on to the ball), and learns how to go deep and stretch defenses vertically (field vision and line protection are factors here as well), I don’t see much room for improvement, which leaves us with a small margin for error. In the end, I am much more confident with Sheffield at the helm, even though he doesn’t appear to have the arm strength. I just wish he wasn’t so cotton pickin’ brittle.

I don’t have any question about Nick’s desire to win and I really feel bad for him when folks question his attitude. I would play him in the bowl game and start afresh next year in spring training. Bottom line for this team is still reducing turnovers and penalties.

by Oklahoma Red Raider on Nov 30, 2009 2:49 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

The whole team

Is responsible for a win or a loss, regardless of who is the QB. Since Leach sees who does what during the practice sessions and selects the starter from what he observes, then I must believe he is starting the person who is showing him the most. All I hope for is this team gets a win in the bowl game. After that, everything goes back to square one. Tech should be a bit better next year. But so will A&M, Baylor, OU, UT and OSU in the South. ISU, K-State & UM should be better next year, too, in the North, with KU NU & CU all probably having a down year. Regardless of who starts at QB for Tech next year, the Raiders will need to work hard for each and every win, with none being a guarantee. And, may the best man, in Leach’s eyes, win the QB trophy.

TTpilk

by TTpilk645 on Nov 30, 2009 8:38 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

I'm not so sure

that the whole team is responsible regardless of the QB. I agree 100% that the QB can be having a great day and if the Oline fails to block or WR drop good passes or the D doesn’t get the other offense off the field that we can lose any game. But if the QB is having a bad day we have a VERY poor track record. Leach’s entire system is based on good pre-snap reads to make the right play call and accurately thrown balls. If any QB is not doing these two things it becomes VERY tough for us to win. GH had a game like this against Nevada last year and we were able to out-athlete them, but there are plenty of times when this is not the case. While any unit can be responsible for a loss, the QB is the most critical by far in an offense that is designed to pass over 70% of the time.

by jdeeTTU on Dec 1, 2009 10:46 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

From a QB perspective

Leach’s offensive system can make a lot of compromises on QBs. They don’t need the strongest arm; they don’t have to be 6’4" to see receivers downfield; they don’t need to be able to memorize an NFL-sized playbook. What they do need is the ability to be coached; to be molded into what the offense needs them to be: efficient distributors of the rock who make solid pre-snap reads and throw catchable balls.

Rewind, if you will, to the post-game following the win over the Fighting Sioux. Potts acknowledged in the post-game presser that he wasn’t stepping into throws and generally displayed poor passing mechanics. 11 friggin’ games later, not only is he still not stepping into half of his throws, but he has incorporated a new, barn door-like delivery in which he stands flatfooted and swings passes sidearmed.

Potts obviously has the natural talent, but I’m beginning to wonder if there aren’t parts of his game that will never be coached out of him. I don’t accept the notion that the issue of his mechanics have simply gone unnoticed by the coaches- Potts himself knew about them after just one start. His talent might actually be his worst enemy, as he’s able to succeed fairly often even while displaying some really bad habits… but Brett Favre Mk II he is not.

by mojavereject on Nov 30, 2009 10:58 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

but like I said earlier

his reads and pocket presence have improved dramatically since the season’s start.

by mojavereject on Nov 30, 2009 11:13 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

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