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Texas Tech Head Coach Mike Leach Suspended :: This Won't Be A Distraction At All

I'm not sure where to begin, the whole, "your team's coach getting suspended for putting a player in a closet" wasn't taught at the Blogging 101 class that I took when I first started this gig.  This is more or less a rambling mess of thoughts and ideas, with a few facts thrown in for good measure. 

It's All Gerald Myers' Fault, Blame Gerald Myers: There's no doubt that Mike Leach and Gerald Myers have had their issues, but I find it hard to believe that Myers acted alone and is the sole and only reason that Leach is suspended. That's not happening. Myers has plenty of control, but I hope you don't think for a second that Myers has the unilateral ability to suspend a coach. I have no doubt that this was a mutual decision from all of the higher-ups, including the University President, the Chancellor, and most of all the attorneys. It's no secret that the bad blood between Myers and Leach would be the first thing that popped into everyone's mind and I don't have any inside information, I'm thinking that this goes above and beyond what Myers has the ability to do. The fact that Myers was cut out of the negotiation process last year is at the very least an indication that Myers is Leach's superior in name only. I defended Myers last year during the contract negotiations and I'm doing it again now. There's no way in hell that Myers has the ability to suspend a coach indefinitely.  If want to replace "FIRE GERALD MYERS" with "FIRE ALL OF THE ADMINISTRATION" then fine, go ahead and do that, but Myers doesn't deserve your wrath here.

The Truth Has to Be In the Middle: I'm still trying to piece together everything that's happened, but at the end of the day the truth is probably somewhere between what the James' family is saying and what Leach and his attorneys are saying.

[Note by Seth C, 12/29/09 6:30 AM CST ] I added a page-break to help keep some of these stories near the top of the page.

Star-divide

ASIDE: Before we go much further, I thought I'd throw this aside out there. I got a new DVR over the holiday and didn't save any games, but the last game that Craig James did for Texas Tech (I cannot for the life of me remember which one it was) the play-by-play guy asked Craig what he thought of Leach's comments regarding "fat-little-girlfriends". I seem to recall that Craig's response was a little bit shocking at the time in that he stated that he disagreed with Leach's comments. Craig had always seemed to be a Leach sort of guy, attending practices and being somewhat vocal of what Leach was accomplishing in Lubbock, etc., but his comment jumped out at me as I watched the game and it's stuck with me since then.  And this was well after the fact where Leach explained that it was a metaphor for players listening to the media, family, friends, and fat-little-girlfriends. I'm hoping that one of you guys and gals can corroborate my recollection of Craig's comments, because I think this may lend some insight into what may have been the first inclination of a crumbling relationship between Leach and Craig. END ASIDE

In any event, I'm imagining something like the following. Adam suffers a mild concussion and is held out of practice. Adam returned to practice wearing sun glasses told Leach that he had to wear sunglasses under doctors orders and Leach probably felt that this was a bit much, perhaps Adam didn't have the requisite respect for Leach that Leach thought he deserved. Leach then directs that Adam go into a closet and sit there and think about his actions. The James family hears about the incident and then demands that Leach apologize for his actions. Leach, being somewhat of a smart-ass, probably responded something to the effect that Leach he was helping the situation as Adam needed the darkness so as to not hurt his concussion. Leach then probably asked that someone make sure that Adam actually stayed in the closet during the team practice. I think it's been reported that there was a "guard" present, but I seriously doubt there was an armed guard blocking Adam from leaving the confined space.

Leach was then asked to apologize and he said no. In fact, I would bet that Leach offered that he was doing Adam a favor by not putting him in direct sunlight.

The LAJ is reporting that Leach was given a deadline of Monday to write an apology. I find it interesting to think that someone, probably the James' family, wanted what would essentially be an admission of mis-treatment. If I had a client with a similar situation, I'd make damn sure that my client has all sorts of fancy attorney language to make it clear that this sort of written apology could in no way be construed to be an admission of guilt. Leach, perhaps thinking the same thing, may have decided that this wasn't going to happen. In fact, in the aside mentioned above, I thought I sensed some displeasure from Craig about Leach, and this bit from the LAJ, which apparently came straight from Leach made me laugh:

During the university’s initial investigation, Leach said the player was a slacker and his father was always calling and acting like a Little League dad.

This isn't a laughing matter, but for whatever reason, the relationship between Craig James and Adam James and Leach deteriorated to the point that this happened.

Leach has been known for unusual punishments. Earlier this spring WR Edward Britton was made to study in a desk, in the middle of the field, under blizzard conditions because he couldn't get his act together during non-practice hours.

I know that if I had my choice, I'm thinking I'd rather bet in Adam's shoes rather than Brittons'.

Administrative Law, Somthing I Know Very Little About: I can honestly say that I did attend an administrative law class in law school, but what happened in that class I have no idea (I had a really good outline). I made a B, which is great for me, but what confuses me about this entire situation is that it would seem that in order to supend a state employee, that there would need to be some sort of administrative procedure that would need to be followed. Again, this isn't my specialty, so maybe someone can help out here, but I'm wondering if this is the basis for . . .

Leach's Attorney is on the Case: Leach's attorney has stated that he will attempt to file a bunch of legal mumbo-jumbo in order to allow Leach to coach on Saturday.

I'm sure that this won't be a distraction at all.

I have no idea if it will work, but I'm willing to bet that part of the argument is that the administrative procedures regarding the suspension of a state employee without a proper hearing weren't followed appropriately and as a result, the university didn't have the unilateral right or suspend Leach indefinitely. I could be way off-base here, but I remember something about this from that really great outline.

Prediction: I have no idea, but I really don't think that either party really wants to part ways and I'm hoping that cooler heads prevail. Leach is a hard-ass when it comes to these sorts of things. I have no idea what to think of Craig James in this sort of situation and I have no idea as to how he is as a person, but there's got to be more to this story that just making Adam stand in a dark room. Sometimes I wish my boss would make me sit in a dark room for three hours. It would be infinitely better than answering phones and emails. If the truth is somewhere between Leach's and Adam's stories, then I don't see this being a big deal, but rather a situation where two grown men, Leach and Craig, didn't get their way and now they're each seeing who can throw around the most weight.

I'll try to update and comment as late as long as I can stay awake.

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All I know about Craig James is that he was a star offensive player at a time when SMU players were “paid” to play, and that is all I need to know.

He might have not gotten the new trans-am like Dickerson, but I’m sure he made off like a bandit.

by ST04 on Dec 28, 2009 9:09 PM CST reply actions  

Pretty sure Dickerson got a blue 280z from Smew

Think Aggie gave him a maroon TA and were pissed to see him a week later in a blue 280. It’s been said before. SMU died for the sins of the entire SWC esp. Ag and Hou.

Give 'Em Hell Tech!!!!!

by Plano Jeff on Dec 28, 2009 9:30 PM CST up reply actions  

Too much speculation...

with little facts. Everybody just needs to calm the hell down and wait until morning before any futher suggestions about who needs to fired or hung for that matter. It’s probably not as bad as it sounds right now and I’m sure Leach and his team will prevail. It’s the top story on ESPN and we all know why so lets just chill for now. Leach and Tech will be fine.

"You've got to find your inner pirate" - Mike Leach

by Raider1992 on Dec 28, 2009 9:09 PM CST reply actions  

My prediction

No matter how this comes out for coach Leach, Adam James’ s career is toast. Sadly, he will never play again, not for Tech and not for any other team. Too bad daddy got involved and went public with this matter.

by faunchin on Dec 28, 2009 9:15 PM CST reply actions  

I work for the University of Texas. I have been in on a suspension hearing for a physician who was acting in what was thought to be an insubordinate manner. Believe me, these investigations can happen in less two or three days if everyone is available. At least they can at UT. You’d think there would be a lot forms and such to fill out, but it’s just a one page deal.

I don’t know when the incident in question took place, but if it was anytime in the last two weeks, Tech could have investigated, discussed, and acted very quickly.

by Tech92 on Dec 28, 2009 9:25 PM CST reply actions  

Seth, I agree with most of your points

I would suggest that if Gerald wasn’t who Hance went to as his point person…. Then why the hell is he in that position?
He either advised to suspend, or was such a non-factor that he was consulted.
An aside…..If you don’t want conjecture and supposition….don’t go to a blog!

by oldschoolraider on Dec 28, 2009 9:28 PM CST via mobile reply actions  

Collateral Damage

Good point about due process issues. Ther are a lot of innocent players and fans who are being injured by the timing and public nature of the administration’s actions and the James’ statement. I am particularly galled by the James’ inference that prayer to God led them to this action. I encourage everyone to read ddhoward’s statement on the AJ site. Spot on.

by Oklahoma Red Raider on Dec 28, 2009 9:29 PM CST via mobile reply actions  

Houston Nutt

not exactlly the same, but very similar. Houston nutt was run out off arkansas because he upset a “little league dad”, so it does happen. Just a shame it came out this week. I hope the fans will remember WE ARE RED RAIDERS FANS, NOT ‘MIKE LEACH’ FANS!
WREK ’EM TECH!

by TechRed01 on Dec 28, 2009 9:41 PM CST reply actions  

+ 3 Jack and cokes (I find points pointless)

I love the university outside of football…. A lot.
But, only want to see Leach go if he does something eggregous or leaves for what he sees as a superior opportunity.

by oldschoolraider on Dec 28, 2009 10:01 PM CST via mobile up reply actions  

I don't want to see the crazy man leave at all.

All roads lead to Lubbock. From here it’s possible. What I’m trying to say is, whatever he wants to accomplish football wise is obtainable on the South Plains. There is no good reason for him to leave Lubbock.

Wreck Em Tech and Screw the Administration for ruining my Vacation. (sorry Seth)

" Answers -- Become Resources."
Without Questions; There are limited Resources...

by KWashburn on Dec 28, 2009 10:05 PM CST up reply actions  

No need to apologize

We’re allowed to disagree. That’s what’s great about DTN, but we just have to keep it civil.

Go Raiders . . .
Double-T Nation

by Seth C on Dec 28, 2009 10:12 PM CST up reply actions  

And that comment

wasn’t meant to imply that you weren’t acting civil.

Go Raiders . . .
Double-T Nation

by Seth C on Dec 28, 2009 10:14 PM CST up reply actions  

haha, I understand.

" Answers -- Become Resources."
Without Questions; There are limited Resources...

by KWashburn on Dec 28, 2009 10:15 PM CST up reply actions  

Not really

If Leach wants to go 8-4 or 7-5 or 9-3 (in a good year) and then hope that the stars align and maybe go 11-1 every 7 years then Lubbock is the place. If he wants to win national and conference titles then Lubbock is not the place. I’m not hear to hate on Tech, I’m just pointing out how inaccurate your comment is Washburn. If you really think there is no good reason for him to leave Lubbock from a coaching standpoint then you are wrong.

There was a firefight!!!!

by ThePhenomenon on Dec 29, 2009 12:20 AM CST up reply actions  

We can agree to disagree.

Success takes time. I would try and find the post that has all the coaches progression on it, but I have a flight to catch.

" Answers -- Become Resources."
Without Questions; There are limited Resources...

by KWashburn on Dec 29, 2009 9:29 AM CST up reply actions  

We can agree to disagree.

Success takes time. I would try and find the post that has all the coaches progression on it, but I have a flight to catch.

And please explain how my comment is inaccurate. This is an open discussion and you are more than welcome to.

" Answers -- Become Resources."
Without Questions; There are limited Resources...

by KWashburn on Dec 29, 2009 9:35 AM CST up reply actions  

Because of OU and Texas

If Leach wants to have a program that can compete for a conference title every year and for a national title every couple of years then Tech is not the place. He is a great coach, but in college every program has limitations. Urban Meyer wouldn’t be able to build a powerhouse at Tech. Texas and OU have too many advantages and the only way that Tech would be able to beat them consistently is if those two schools screwed up miserably on coaching hires. This isn’t the NFL where its possible for the Arizona Cardinals to go from being the laughingstock of the NFL to being within a play of winning the Super Bowl. Certain programs have ceilings. The biggest reason Tech can’t be a consistent winner is because of OU and Texas. Those two programs have too many advantages in terms of recruiting, support, money and tradition for a coach to over come.

I’m not saying that Leach won’t ever win a conference title at Tech, I just don’t see him be able to build a program that can compete for one almost every year.

There was a firefight!!!!

by ThePhenomenon on Dec 29, 2009 12:17 PM CST up reply actions  

Understood ... But...

Understood … But Leach is a Red Raider family member too : )

by Raiderit on Dec 28, 2009 9:45 PM CST via mobile up reply actions  

Exactly

" Answers -- Become Resources."
Without Questions; There are limited Resources...

by KWashburn on Dec 28, 2009 9:46 PM CST up reply actions  

misunderstood

i am also a leach fan. just wanting to remind all the fans that it still about the players on the field and the name on the front of the shirt. I do not want to see leach go! but if he does we still have to play fotball, and support the team!!!

by TechRed01 on Dec 28, 2009 9:48 PM CST up reply actions  

I love the Double T as much as the next guy

But I have no interest in following the 5th best football team in the Big 12 South. I’ve already been through that in the 80’s & the 90’s. Measuring success by the occasional upset of Texas or Texas A&M shouldn’t the the goal of a bowl division football program. And that is all anybody wanted or expected from the Tech program before Leach arrived.

by mbrown603 on Dec 28, 2009 9:54 PM CST up reply actions  

Coach Leach is not the sole reason for TTU's success

I don’t feel Leach has us held hostage. I think Leach is what we want right now, but I don’t think we’d go back to the stone age without him. Leach really does have the opportunity to get us into a BCS bowl game next year.

by merrik on Dec 28, 2009 10:27 PM CST up reply actions  

More info

From SI.com

— On Dec. 17, James said Leach told trainers to put him “the darkest place you can find.” James was sent to an equipment shed near the practice field, where a member of the athletic staff checked on James to make sure he did not lean against anything or sit on the floor. James said Leach told him that if he came out he would be kicked off the team.

— When the team returned to practice two days later, on Dec. 19, James said Leach told trainers to “find the tightest, darkest place” for the player. James, in his street clothes, was put in an electrical closet inside the football stadium for hours, again monitored by a member of the athletic staff.

Story

by Tech92 on Dec 28, 2009 9:48 PM CST reply actions  

Good place to state

That leach disputes this description….no?

by oldschoolraider on Dec 28, 2009 9:57 PM CST via mobile up reply actions  

I have no idea what Leach disputes or agrees with.

by Tech92 on Dec 28, 2009 10:00 PM CST up reply actions  

I seem to recall something

regarding James being in the doghouse in the spring. I can’t find the actual link, in part because I have a hard time searching the archives on DTN and the LAJ, but during the spring practices.

Someone help me out with this. I don’t think I’m wrong, but someone help me find the link.

Go Raiders . . .
Double-T Nation

by Seth C on Dec 28, 2009 9:52 PM CST reply actions  

Sounds right to me, I'll start looking.....

" Answers -- Become Resources."
Without Questions; There are limited Resources...

by KWashburn on Dec 28, 2009 9:53 PM CST up reply actions  

Found

one link where James got 1 rep during a practice during the spring (http://www.lubbockonline.com/stories/040909/spo_427386619.shtml). I’m trying not to choose sides, but it appears that James and Leach may have been butting heads for quite a while. Feel free to post any additional links.

Go Raiders . . .
Double-T Nation

by Seth C on Dec 28, 2009 9:54 PM CST up reply actions  

You have to wonder

If Adam James was the son of single black woman who was a deli manager at a grocery store would the university have acted this rashly?

If Jordan Shipley’s dad had brought the same complaint against Mack Brown would UT have acted this way?

If Seth was BeerGut would his post have fewer or more words like mumbo-jumbo?

Has a ram ever brought similar charges against an A&M coach?

VIVA LA FIGA!

by bmaxw on Dec 28, 2009 9:56 PM CST reply actions   1 recs

Legal Mumbo Jumbo

is serious business.

Junction does not count, it was prior to 1975.

Go Raiders . . .
Double-T Nation

by Seth C on Dec 28, 2009 10:09 PM CST up reply actions  

Hey I did some work for one of the Junction Boys

He gave me this bit of wisdom….
Dulcius ex asperis
“Sweeter after difficulty”
(He was on of the guy’s that jumped the fence, met a recruiter from Trinity at the bus station in Junction and played 4 years there getting his degree)

VIVA LA FIGA!

by bmaxw on Dec 28, 2009 10:15 PM CST up reply actions  

Whatever.

Life is always better when you don’t have to work for anything.

Go Raiders . . .
Double-T Nation

by Seth C on Dec 28, 2009 10:18 PM CST up reply actions  

I also agree with most of what you are saying Seth and yes they are two grown men.
But Leach is the Coach P E R I O D!
An eccentric coach, but THE COACH!

Here is a hint.

Ask yourself what position does Adam play?
( The most important position in Leach’s play book imo)
Has he been a MAIN player in the offense?
You think Daddy might be mad because he is not?

hummmmm!

by slycanyon on Dec 28, 2009 10:03 PM CST reply actions  

i agree seth

Craig James does seem like the type of conceited arrogant man who would want to throw his weight around. This sounds so much like the Mith Mustain incident from Arkansas, a couple of years back. The only difference is that Mitch Mustain could actually play, Adam James is horrible and wouldn’t play NCAA first division if not for his dad.

by jef on Dec 28, 2009 10:07 PM CST reply actions  

A link for Seth

Here is a link for you Seth. It’s not a link from spring practice or anything. But note the relatively small numbers for the season and also the lack of accumulated stats in the last 2 games. This is just pretty much saying the same thing as the previous comments… James is overreacting as a Little League dad who’s son wasn’t getting the snaps he wanted.

by jdeeTTU on Dec 28, 2009 10:12 PM CST reply actions  

The more I think about it

the game that I’m thinking about had to have been the Oklahoma St. game (I think James did that game, right?). Who has the time to re-watch that game and find those comments that I think C. James made?

Go Raiders . . .
Double-T Nation

by Seth C on Dec 28, 2009 10:16 PM CST up reply actions  

Thank You note from the Tennessee Volunteers?

It’s hard to believe that Leach actually out did Lane Kniffen and his antics.

by ttu_porters on Dec 28, 2009 10:19 PM CST reply actions  

This is Craig James' fault

And to a lesser extent, Leach’s. If a player can’t practice outside due to injury, then there has to be something more productive than standing in a room for 3 hours you could have him doing. Not going to dispute that. I wouldn’t think this was really radical punishment for a football coach to mete out; if you are, in the coach’s eyes, too much of a baby to be outside in the sun, well then we’ll go the other way and make you sit in the dark until you grow up.

This is not anywhere close to something Leach should be suspended/fired for. Football is voluntary, and Leach did not hurt the player or physically abuse him. Football players take a lot of mental abuse over the course of the season. Sitting in a dark room by yourself is not fun, but I think a lot of people would prefer that over a lot of other punishments.

Craig James, in his capacity as The Craig James of The ESPN, probably has the AD scared shitless with a big PR mess. Football coaches aren’t all best buddy friends and super nice with their players. I don’t see how that would be a mental leap for most people, but whatever.

by merrik on Dec 28, 2009 10:20 PM CST reply actions  

Agree

Obviously he was not too concerned about the universities reputation as he stated.

by Raider09 on Dec 28, 2009 10:34 PM CST up reply actions  

Kind of is

What he did is kind of serious. You have to remember that these are students as well. Just because they get their school paid for doesn’t me they don’t have rights. Think of it this way. If a chemistry professor told a normal student to go sit in the closet for three hours, and if the kid said no he would fail the class. That professor would most likely get fired. In this day and age what Leach allegedly did is unacceptable and in other profession there would be serious consequences. That punishment is the equivalent of what prisoners who act out get. They go and sit in solitary confinement.

There was a firefight!!!!

by ThePhenomenon on Dec 29, 2009 12:26 AM CST up reply actions  

If we wanted a softy...

for our head coach we could have hired Charlie Weis or Mike Sherman. We want (nay! we need!) our Head Pirate to commondore this ship. And if the “suits” on campus screw this up and Leach leaves, at least they can hire Wade Phillips so they can push him around. Myers, like Jerry Jones, seems to want to keep his “pimp hand strong,”

by LBKpiratefan on Dec 29, 2009 10:12 AM CST up reply actions  

The battle to win is.....

Public opinion….and right now Leach is losing it. ESPN has got the college media machine in full throttle. Analysts are already calling for Leach’s dismissal with only knowing one side of the story.This will be interesting to see how it will play out.

by ttu_porters on Dec 28, 2009 10:26 PM CST reply actions  

Odd statement from the James'....

If you read the James’ statement then I ‘m alittle perplexed about taking concussions seriously has anything to do with this. If Leach had said he had to practice or be kicked off the team I get that but even if the James’ claims are close to the truth I don’t see the physical harm here at all. It appears to be a battle between Leach and James. If Adam/Craig didn’t like this then why not just transfer to SMU. And like was mentioned above SMU got the death penalty because it kept paying it’s players after 2 years of probation. The statement was make the Govenor of Texas(an SMU alum) that they kept paying because they had made an agreement with the players and they were going to keep their word. This is just a power play and the overall admin. may have made this but I think Myers had his say in this. Wreck’Em Tech

by techgolf44 on Dec 28, 2009 10:31 PM CST reply actions  

If the battle to win is public opinion it's a slam dunk for Leach and hardassed coaches everywhere

There are a 1000 messges already on the ESPN site & only 1 person is defending Craig James and his panty waisted son. I suspect that person is Craig James or his panty waisted son.

by mbrown603 on Dec 28, 2009 10:40 PM CST reply actions  

I think

I will write C. James a strongly worded letter.

by mxmvxx on Dec 28, 2009 10:44 PM CST reply actions  

I have a list of choice words you can choose from....

" Answers -- Become Resources."
Without Questions; There are limited Resources...

by KWashburn on Dec 28, 2009 10:46 PM CST up reply actions  

I cannot think of anything more bizarre !!

The James family released a statement indicating that Adam is the player in question ??? That is insane !!! That action makes it difficult for me to retain objectivity…why would they do that? Why would they take it to a public forum?

It smacks of vindictiveness at this point with that news release…maybe I am wrong.

I am also suspect at the timing…the week of the bowl game this hits the fan ??? That also is insane….

I cannot imagine Adam James being very popular currently, can he go back to TTU and feel comfortable…even if he has 100% support of every person in the football program, his name is Mudd. He could be in harm’s way, the way some of these things effect some folks.

TTU is caught between a rock and a hard spot currently, I hope we find a way to exercise great integrity and correct all the damage.

I also find it weird that Coach Mangino gets booted for saying bad things to players, then this pops up about Coach Leach, who somewhat defended his friend, Mangino…and that both of them were well regarded by Coach Stoops, all three of whom have enjoyed suscess with improving programs in the Big12.

Bizzare !!!

by TallMike on Dec 28, 2009 10:53 PM CST reply actions  

Myers.....

Seth stated that Myers isn’t to blame here but all admin. and I guess I agree with all the admim. but Myers I think does have real blame here. I love Myers as our BB coach back in the 70’s and beyond and I loved him because he was a Red Raider and he brought real fire and passion to a solid, good TTech program but he never got us consistantly to the Tourney. I was ok when he became AD and he has done some good things for TTech but it appears that in his tenure most of the money has been brought in by the top admin. guys and not Myers. He is from the old school and I think it is time me we get some new blood in the AD spot not matter what happens here. I’m alittle perplexed @ Hance here because is this an extension of last year’s contract deal and eventhough he negotiated it is he upset with Leach and we didn’t know it and he just wants to get Leach gone? I just don’t get the quick suspension over no physical harm. Wreck’Em Tech

by techgolf44 on Dec 28, 2009 10:54 PM CST reply actions  

Hance and Myers

I totally agree with Seth that Hance and all the administration are all in this equally here, so, unless some new facts come out and are proven, I really hope that alumni, boosters, (particularly big donors) etc. will call for Hance and Myers jobs!

by tech 77 on Dec 28, 2009 11:21 PM CST reply actions  

My Son Is About Halway Done With USAF BMT.

The humiliation and disciplinary action that Adam experienced is a drop in the bucket compared to what our armed forces have to endure. What do you think my son’s sergeant would say if I complained about him being mistreated. He would laugh in my face. Sounds like this kid needs a little discipline and humiliation. I had a college basketball coach tell me that he did not coach high school because he did not want to deal with parent politics. He had a parent complain to him about playing time, he told the parent they could drive over to the dorm and load their son’s stuff up and his scholarship would be pulled. That was the last he heard from that parent about playing time. This is what college athletics is all about. I can’t believe Tech Administration is giving the James’ this much attention over something this trivial.

American farmers feed & clothe the world!

by Extramp83 on Dec 28, 2009 11:27 PM CST reply actions  

+1

I appreciate your what your son is doing! I agree with your comments, and yes American farmers DO feed & clothe the world!

by tech 77 on Dec 28, 2009 11:33 PM CST up reply actions  

You nailed it!

great point Ex-tramp. Doesn’t seem like the kid was in any physical danger here. Just some humiliation. Really looking like a vindictive move by the James family.

by imisswesttexas on Dec 29, 2009 8:56 AM CST up reply actions  

Update

Not sure where this comes from, but I like what I read. Sorry I can’t site the info

UPDATE, 10:00 p.m.:

  • Mike Leach’s attorney, Ted Liggett, says that he has statements from Graham Harrell, Dana Holgorsen, Eric Morris, Lincoln Riley and others that both support Mike Leach’s track record with respect to injured players and question the motives of Adam James…. See More

UPDATE, 10:15 p.m.:

  • Level was told that Harrell wrote a four-page letter to the Texas Tech Administration that defended Leach and suggested that James’ unhappiness stemmed from his lack of playing time. Three other players — Stephen Hamby, Morris and Rylan Reed — off of last year’s 11-2 team also wrote similar letters about Leach and James.

by Red Raider Juggernaut on Dec 28, 2009 11:28 PM CST reply actions  

thanks sounds like everything is still good on the recruiting front too.

by ST04 on Dec 29, 2009 9:15 AM CST up reply actions  

Interesting post on his twitter

From Chrislevel twitter acct:

Mike Leach also never locked anyone in an electrical closet or anything close to it as has been reported. (Unlocked meeting room with AC).

by imisswesttexas on Dec 29, 2009 9:19 AM CST up reply actions  

see my post at 8:03 tonight

by slycanyon on Dec 29, 2009 12:20 AM CST up reply actions  

thanks for the common sense, Seth

Seems to me, after all the information that has come out, Craig James (and by connection, Adam) stands to lose in this, big time, no matter whether Leach coaches the bowl or not. It is the all-too-familiar story of the meddlesome Dad interfering to the detriment of the entire team.

"Fearless champions ever be; Stand on heights of victory"

by Let's Go Tech! on Dec 28, 2009 11:39 PM CST via mobile reply actions  

To those who think Leach should appologize

I couldn’t stop thinking about an episode of HOUSE M.D. (AMAZING show if you haven’t seen it)

it’s in the first season i believe where Foreman is frustrated with House because he thinks that House was wrong in something he did and should show some humility… this is what House said in response…

“And humility is an important quality. Especially if you’re wrong a lot…. Of course, when you’re right, self-doubt doesn’t help anybody, does it?”

I have the feeling that Leach goes with this kind of attitude… i see many comparisons between House and Leach… hmmmmm

Wreck 'Em Tech!

J.T.H.

by redraidersax on Dec 28, 2009 11:54 PM CST reply actions  

Firing Leach will not punish Leach

Should it come down to the worst scenario, Leach will coach again. It will only hurt this program. These allegations will easily be overlooked by another program looking for a launching pad and Leach would get snatched up in a New York minute. Result – Leach will coach and Texas Tech will be without him.

I know it’s a stretch, but I don’t see the point of firing if another program will see him as hireable. There’s no scenario where the school saves itself from something worse by letting him go.

Show your pirate flags this week, including at the bowl game. I know I’ll have mine in support of the Captain.

by djollie111 on Dec 28, 2009 11:54 PM CST reply actions  

House & Leach....

Great analogy….I watch House and @ times I just hate his arrogance but he always gets the patient well and @ the end of the day College football is all about what….winning and Leach has done that better than any other TTech coach. I love him 95% of the time and the other 5% is frustrating but remember he also gradutes his players!!!!!!! So much for the “tipping point” Seth!!!!!! Wreck’Em Tech

by techgolf44 on Dec 28, 2009 11:59 PM CST reply actions  

True but.....

Your right House does always end well but last I checked a TTech coach has never won a national title in football. So in the TTech football world as we know it now it does make some great analogy. This is not a shot a Leach. I want him as TTech coach. I really want Myers to retire and I still believe he has a hand in this with the James’. After the column in the ALJ last week that indicates that there are 4 red shirt receivers waiting to really challenge next year I think Adam has seen the writing on the wall and for him it isn’t good! Wreck’Em Tech

by techgolf44 on Dec 29, 2009 12:32 AM CST reply actions  

regatding due process when suspending a university employee

Is Leach an employee of the university, or of the athletic department?

Is the athletic department a separate entity from the university? If the answer is yes, then Leach could be suspended without any due process as required of public universities because he may just be an employee of a private entity, i.e. the athletic department, that is not required to go through the same steps of due process to suspend an employee.

by Beergut on Dec 29, 2009 1:25 AM CST reply actions  

No

The Athletic Department of a public university is not a private entity.

Only thing that makes Leach different than other University employees is that he has an employment contract. Most employees are at-will workers. All state government employees are entitled to due process in accordance with state law and the 14th amendement.

by jeffinhouston on Dec 29, 2009 5:53 PM CST up reply actions  

Watching Mike and Mike in the morning

I like the show a lot, though Greeney and Golic aren’t in this morning… the show is gonna talk about it… one cool point is that they refer to Leach as a “household name coach” so i guess that’s cool… i’ll let you know if anything fun is said…

Wreck 'Em Tech!

J.T.H.

by redraidersax on Dec 29, 2009 5:24 AM CST reply actions  

Let's take the most charitable position, even if it might be wrong.

I have been a fan of Mr. Robert M. Knight since 1973. Indiana University (led by the late and unlamented Dr. What’shisname) started the slander production against him (and his friends including Mr. Mallory) about 1992 and continued this against the football coach after Mr. Knight was coaching at Texas Tech. Friends, I have seen all of this before. The first reports are the worst. People are whipped to a frenzy before the facts are out. When the facts showed that Mr. Knight had done no wrong, people forgot the facts, but remembered that they had been mad at Mr. Knight. Mr. Leach and Mr. Knight are, in many ways, cut from the same cloth. I want to attempt to say nice things now and take them back later, if I am wrong. Consider this person by person.

1. Mr. Adam James. I once said these words to a man: “I am going to slap you upside the head.” He laughed and we resumed our work (we both taught math at Purdue Calumet where we shared an office.) I have no idea what young Mr. James said, but when dealing with friends, a man might say many things that would be incorrectly interpreted by an outside observer.

2. Mr. Craig James. Mr. James has some source who is not named. Suppose that this unnamed person is not related to him or even on the team. Further suppose that this unnamed source of information has no clue what young men do to each other in various forms of preparation for important deeds. Further suppose that Mr. James has received twisted information for some time.

Now his son is injured. Any concussion is serious. He has been accused on this board for naming his son as the player and for telling us that he prayed about his decision to go public. Since he told us the player in question is his son, he has taken this speculation out of the picture. He has earned plenty of wrath from this statement, but the statement is reserved. He didn’t throw vitriol at the football coach. Those of you who publicly state that he shouldn’t have told us about his prayers are claiming that he has no right to express himself. If this is his lifestyle, then he should be allowed to react according to his lifestyle. If it is not his lifestyle, he still has the right to say what he wishes, but that statement would be phony. Therefore, those of you who think (even if only in your own heart) that he should not have mentioned this either do so because you think it is phony or else (I suppose) because of your hatred for any spiritual things. If the first is true, perhaps you have information of your own to justify your judgment, but I don’t.

The timing has been mentioned. I noted for many years that the slander would heat up against Mr. Knight before the tournament. I also noted that the injured party could be anybody, for instance, he was frequently hated for alleged actions against Mr. Alford. Mr. Alford never initiated these, just as young Mr. James doesn’t seem to have initiated the current problem. The current problem was initiated by some person or persons unnamed, who laugh while message boards accuse those who are caught against their will or who are man enough (like Mr. Craig James) to attempt to shed some light. His response (to my understanding) was after the thing had exploded. (I didn’t find out about any of this until this morning.) So Mr. James, with slanted information for some time (and perhaps warnings concerning any amount of fictional torment his son was yet to receive) attempts to clear the air. If he lacked some wisdom (which of us haven’t lacked wisdom?) give him a break as a concerned father. He did not make demands concerning playing time (a hot topic on this board). Furthermore, whatever did or did not happen at SMU is ancient history. It is only important to those who condemn Mr. James by attempting to show bad character.

ESPN: I don’t have cable and never watch them. I have no idea what was said, but before anybody accuses Mr. James for things said at ESPN, make sure you can prove that what ESPN said agreed with what Mr. James wished. Anything they said should be taken up with them. They no doubt have feelings for Mr. James and are reacting in his favor, but we have often seen any third party overstate the case.

Mr. Myers: This is a man who has my entire respect. Everybody hates the middle man, and frequently, the Athletic Director is exactly that. Mr. Seth (forgive me; I don’t know his last name) is a lawyer. He spoke very carefully. Usually there are implied legal threats in cases like this. If something happened and young Mr. James were permanently damaged (I certainly do not anticipate this) then the University could be in real trouble unless they suspended Mr. Leach. People like Mr. Myers are often forced to react to the worst possible scenario. If he had pressure from the top, he would never tell it. It is my opinion that the suspension was a necessary step in the big picture. The suspension had to be indefinite because they don’t know when this will be settled.

Mr. Leach. This man needs no defense unless somebody wishes to accuse him of attempting permanent damage. He wants his injured players to do something during the work time. Standing makes him use his legs. There seems to be some connection between his injury and bright light, so the dark room could be necessary. The exercise bicycle seems like a good thing. The guard (a terrible word; he could leave if he wanted to leave) was there to make sure he participated. The rest of the team also had guards (again a terrible word, but if it is good for the first, it is also good for the second) to make sure they participated.

I don’t know what will happen. We should not overlook the possibility that this all blows over, like a bad storm. It is possible that business will be as usual next spring.

Respectfully,

Paul M. Simons

Postscript,

There have been some implications concerning his football abilities. I know he had a good fall and rose on the depth charts. Perhaps he isn’t as talented as some others; I can’t speak to that. I want to point out that there may be no relevance whatsoever in the mind of either the younger or older Mr. James concerning playing time. If he were the star of the team, they might have reacted exactly the same way.

by lakum on Dec 29, 2009 8:38 AM CST reply actions  

Mr. Paul M. Simons,

I bet your analysis is excellent. As verbose as I am, I found too many words to read.

Respectfully,

Tall M. Mike

by TallMike on Dec 29, 2009 11:42 AM CST up reply actions   1 recs

ESPN is gonna have to eat crow on this at some point...

Pretty rediculous for guys like Ed Cunningham and Mark May to suggest that Leach won’t be coaching at Tech next year, even with the caveats thrown out.

Seemed to me that these guys were too quick to assume the worst had happened. And why did they? Because the Tech administration was maybe too quick to suspend Leach from coaching the bowl game.

I go back to what I said last night. If they wanted to truely resolve the issue, they should have all gotten in the same room and hashed it out. From what I read to this point, it sure looks like Adam James is being a baby and Craig James is being vendictive.

Bottomline is he was free to leave or quit the team at any point if he was not happy with the team or coach. Money wouldn’t appear to be an issue in terms of paying for school. He probably could have gotten Leach to agree to a player release.

When the smoke clears, I think you’ll see a lot of people jumped to conclusions on this all based on Craig James position as a well-known analyst. Only to find out the kid wasn’t in any danger and is crying over some discipline.

by imisswesttexas on Dec 29, 2009 9:07 AM CST reply actions  

I always thought that the best hatchet jobs were those that were the most subtle.

by TallMike on Dec 29, 2009 11:43 AM CST up reply actions  

Also

Say it stated above regarding if this were to have happened to a different kid. Say a player from a single parent family. Or a player from a little more working class family. IMO, you can bet your ass they parent would defer to the coach outside of physical abuse.

When my brother played at Tech, I can promise you there was some tough discipline. And I know for a fact my parents would have never, ever considered complaining to the AD about any of it. That just would never even seem an option. But I guess times have changed.

by imisswesttexas on Dec 29, 2009 9:11 AM CST reply actions  

I just hope this doesn’t have anything to do with Leach getting his $800,000 bonus at the end of the year for completing his first contract in good standing.

Chris Level was talking about it this morning on the sporting news radio.

by ST04 on Dec 29, 2009 9:18 AM CST reply actions  

RyZe is the best..........

Did “crank that crabtree”……now this! this guy is a genius! Unbelievable how all this smells…..forever Red Raiders/Pirates!!!! Wreck’Em Tech

by techgolf44 on Dec 29, 2009 10:30 AM CST reply actions  

NO WINNERS

While I recognize Leach has brought a quality and excitement to football at TTU, I admit, I’ve never been a Leach supporter. I’ve been in the camp of believing Leach was a out of control moron and a poor representative of the university. And, more than likely in this situation, he once again used some poor judgement with the James kid and was wrong – but technically how wrong – Was it wrong enough to indefinitely suspend him?

For the life of me, I can’t understand why this accusation wasn’t investigated while Leach continued to coach the team? Unless there is something ginormous underlying this issue, the Administration overreacted by indefinitely suspending the pirate. Now they bring needless attention to a program that, once again, appears to be out of control and they look like the Panhandle nitwits. I don’t see anyone being a winner in this situation, as Leach isn’t the only one damaged. Tech’s recruiting, the team attitude, the program stability, the James’ clan, and the universities’ standing will all suffer.

Unless this accusation is a slam-dunk, the Administration now has their hand on a "tar baby" and the stickiness is only going to get worse as the plot thickens and there will ber NO WINNERS.

by TDSTAR on Dec 29, 2009 10:41 AM CST reply actions  

Well said...

Having two sons, I appreciate these comments even more. When the suspension / firing became final, my first thought was about the rest of the players on the team. Especially the younger ones, as Coach Leach likely played a huge role in their decision to sign on with Texas Tech. What a selfish move for Adam to made…. He has screwed them out of an opportunity that they will never get back, with no guarantee that the next coach will afford them half the opportunity. I am sorry that your son’s final game will be played under these circumstances. For the record, I have thoroughly enjoyed and appreciated his playing on our team. We are lucky to have had him. I grew up playing defensive end, so I may be a little biased. However, I love the passion that he has for defense and his passion for his position. He plays with a lot of heart and he is one of the toughest kids I’ve seen…. My sons and I were at the Baylor game at JerryWorld. We were sitting right behind the endzone on Baylors final drive. It was a proud moment to hear them yell their little guts out, praying for Tech to shut Baylor down!!

by cmatthews0861 on Jan 1, 2010 9:22 AM CST up reply actions  

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