The Saga of Mike Leach :: Former Players Support the Captain
by Seth C on Dec 29, 2009 6:28 AM CST
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The saga of Mike Leach was prevalent last year when the contract negotiations were on-going and I thought it was appropriate to revive that meme as there may not be a better way to describe the situation. This is truly a saga.
Former Players Support Leach
LAJ's Don Williams Adam Zuvanich has a lengthy article this morning about how a handful of former players are supporting head coach Mike Leach. I found all of the former players' comments insightful, but former offensive lineman Daniel Loper had this to say about WR Adam James:
"I think some people honestly are not tough enough to play college football, and (James) might be one of them, especially if he’s worried about being called out or humiliated," Loper said. "… Sometimes that happens, especially at the collegiate level. It’s not like high school and Pop Warner, where everyone gets to play and gets a pat on the back. Sometimes coaches can be mean and yell."
Former offensive lineman Glenn January also added that the shed isn't that bad at all:
January said the shed in which James spent practice on Dec. 17 might have been the most appropriate place to deal with his concussion, because it kept him out of the sunlight. January said he and his teammates on the offensive line often retreated to the same shed during practices to rest and escape the heat.
"It’s not like it’s some dungeon," he said.
Former players also defended Leach and how he treats injured players, who are still required to practice in some form or fashion while the rest of the team is practicing. Former wide receiver Eric Morris:
"If you’re injured, you’re required to still participate in some form or fashion. You still have to be outside and doing something," Morris said. "At times people have tried to get away with faking a little nag here and there, and to get away from people doing that, you always need to let everybody know they’re not going to stand around and do nothing. It’s a great thing to have in place. Some people want to get complacent and do different things because things aren’t going their way."
I don't know if Morris is attempting to imply something about Adam, but it sure seems that way.
There's a few things to take away from some of these former players: 1) Loper doesn't come out and simply confirm what some of may think about Adam, but he certainly takes the stance Adam may not be the sort that is cut out to play college football; 2) the darkest place in all of humanity is starting to sound like a place out of the sun light and not a dungeon or some sort of threatening place, but a place where players would convene to get out of the sun; 3) Morris' comments seem to indicate that some players that are injured would rather not practice at all and it sounds as if Adam was trying to get out of practicing as much as possible.
Join me after the jump for additional thoughts on refuting the horrible "dark place", the plan for the Alamo Bowl (yes, the game hasn't been canceled) and around the interwebs.
Refuting the Darkest Place
ESPN's Joe Schad wrote last night that Mike Leach's attorney, Ted Liggett, is refuting the initial story, in that Adam was, "to the darkest place, to clean out the equipment and to make sure that he could not sit or lean. He was confined for three hours." Liggett refutes a majority of what's been initially reported, essentially adding to the thought that there's two sides to every story:
An attorney for Leach said that while James was secluded twice, the circumstances were not as portrayed in the initial account.
Ted Liggett, Leach's attorney, said James "was placed in an equipment room as it was much cooler and darker" than the practice field "after a doctor had examined him and returned him to the field."
Liggett said that on that day, a trainer was posted outside the room and that James was provided ice. Liggett said that James was secluded for one to two hours. Liggett said that on another occasion, James was placed in a "press room with air-conditioning and a stationary bike he could use."
There's a couple of confusing aspects to this story. I'm still not sure if Adam was cleared to play, but the first paragraph above seems to indicate that Adam was cleared to be on the field. That seems to be the opposite of what the initial reaction was in that initially it was thought that Leach was mis-treating Adam because of the concussion and forcing him back too early. Next, it was originally reported that a guard stood outside the room, but Liggett states that it was a trainer standing outside of the room, probably making sure that Adam didn't take a nap while the rest of the team was practicing. Finally, it was initially reported that Adam was placed in an electrical closet the second time, but Liggett is stating that there was no electrical closet, but rather a press room with air-conditioning and a stationary bike.
I'm curious if it make a difference to you guys and gals about some of the story that's now being refuted?
There's a Game?
LAJ's Don Williams writes that the coaching staff is moving forward:
Since Leach has served as his own offensive coordinator throughout his 10-year tenure as head coach, someone new will call the plays and signal them in. Interim head coach Ruffin McNeill said inside receivers coach Lincoln Riley will be the primary man responsible for play-calling and offensive staff assistant Sonny Cumbie will do the signaling.
"Lincoln will be calling from the box,’’ McNeill said after the team’s practice Monday evening at Benson Stadium. "He has worked with Mike full-time. And Sonny Cumbie, who works hand in hand with Mike, who understands the offense probably as good as anybody, will be signaling in the plays.’’
I'm comfortable with Riley and Cumbie taking care of the offensive side of the ball.
Around the Interwebs
The general consensus around the interwebs is that this entire situation will not end well for any of the parties involved. I would encourage you to follow the SB Nation story stream for up-to-the-date information (a story stream is essentially one web-page that is constantly updated rather than having to search all over the place for updates). It doesn't matter if we're talking about the head Captain, Craig James or Adam James, at the end of the day no one will come away a winner. SI.com's Stewart Mandel writes that the reputations of Mike Leach and Craig James are at stake. SB Nation's Spencer Hall writes that Leach has created this current situation. SAEN's Buck Harvey writes that Leach should see the writing on the wall and coach somewhere else. AOL Fanshouse's Kevin Blackistone writes that there's no excuse for abusive coaches (I'm probably going on a ledge here, but I'm wondering if putting Adam in an equipment room that the players often sat in to get out of the sun and now we learn that the second place was initially reported as an electrical closet may really be the press room with air conditioning and an exercise bike is considered "abuse").
I'm sure that there will be additional information coming out today, so feel free to post a comment, a FanShot or if you're feeling opinionated, take on a FanPost. I'm going to be in court for most of the day so I won't be around.
As requested, a picture of the supposed shed in question:
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And it was all going so well..
There I am, sitting back and relaxing at the fact that Michigan State are self imploding and we’ll win this bowl game easy, and then something (I really shouldn’t be surprised) comes along and spoils everything. Now in the 5 years that I have followed TTU I have come to accept this kind of thing as part and parcel of being a TTU fan and it now seems like water off a duck’s back!
I agree that this thing has been blown WAAAY out of proportion, and Adam James will not play again for TTU, probably not another College Team and he only has himself to blame. No coach wants a crying princess as a player much less a supposed inside receiver who is meant to be tough on their team, ESPECIALLY with a father who is part of the media and will use his job to complain when the going gets tough.
This will hurt Leach and TTU, but the nature of the media beast is that this will be a small story by the and of January, and no one will care.
I will admit that when I first saw this I was worried, but now having read some former player responses I think we will be ok, although I find it interesting that it’s the more successful players at Tech speaking up, I wonder how the not so successful players are thinking?
I’m sure the truth will out, whether we, as outsiders hear it is another question, but everyone will move on and get past this, for better or worse and the only thing that will change will be that Adam James will move school and Craig James will not commentate on TTU games, so 2 bonuses there.
by UKRaider on Dec 29, 2009 6:53 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
just of note Seth...
the first article you linked was by Adam Zuvanich not Don Williams
Wreck 'Em Tech!
J.T.H.
by redraidersax on Dec 29, 2009 6:59 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
From the people that brought you crank that crabtree
by redraidersax on Dec 29, 2009 7:04 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
I should note
I posted this purely out of humor, not for the views expressed.
Wreck 'Em Tech!
J.T.H.
by redraidersax on Dec 29, 2009 7:13 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
That was a cute song
Give 'Em Hell Tech!!!!!
by Plano Jeff on Dec 29, 2009 7:02 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Here's the thing...
I saw a family be boo’d while they were in the stadium, yet still hold their guns up. I saw a kid get literally humiliated at a football game, and get embarassed on his way to class. Obviously, I’m a friend of Taylor Potts, and I’m not ashamed to say, but you can just see the difference in two players from two different households. I think I have more respect for the Potts’ then the James could buy. I feel as if, if this was ANYONE else’s kid, the university wouldn’t have jumped the gun, but because it was who it was, they had to over-react. I don’t know what country you live in, but in mine your innocent until proven guilty, and if Leach leaves, I would definitely love to have my atheletic fee taken off my tutition.
by ttutyler on Dec 29, 2009 7:04 AM CST via mobile reply actions 0 recs
I like what someone commented earlier
oldschoolraider said this on the box quote posted last night
Sorry to you younger dtn brethren
But this screams 20 something, I grew up getting a trophy for everything. If his last name wasn’t James, the headline would be: Tech’s 12th best receiver in Leach’s doghouse. If you have migraines, are you not suppose to go to a cold, dark place? Is there a correlation to concussions? The fact leach wouldn’t apologize does NOT make me angry…regardless of consequences. You can nor back him into a corner if he believes he’s right.
as a 20 something (23 in Jan… i will accept gifts from any of you!!! :-P) DTNer… i’m not offended and fully agree!!! i really am feeling like drawing up a cartoon for this… check back later today to see if i do lol
Wreck 'Em Tech!
J.T.H.
by redraidersax on Dec 29, 2009 7:22 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
@redraidersax
I am glad that you received my comments as they were intended (not good old day syndrome). I am ‘only’ 45, but I feel our society has been changed to where every effing ‘kid’ thinks he’s starring in his own reality show and is entitled to dictate how he is dealt with. I get down when I think about this for my kids and society in general, and then I meet younger Red Raiders like yourself and think that we will be OK despite having a heavy concentration of these wussy/douchebag combo’s. An aside, I also feel like an idiot for thinking this when I see our soldiers in uniform in their 20’s (and younger). We had these types when I was your age, I just can’t help but think that my generation was more interested in being their kids friends more than their parents….so I actually blame the parents who are my age-ish.
Very Intereseted in the cartoon……Wreck ’em
by oldschoolraider on Dec 29, 2009 10:26 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Im Also From the Old School!
Most of the time when we got a trophy or medal we earned it. I can remember in Texas we used to just git one representative out of every UIL district. Even though I don’t like having one representative per district we shouldn’t have 4 out of a 6 team district. This is the mentality of the everyone should get a trophy, age group. I’m sorry to inform you this doesn’t work in the real world. You screw up at work and you suffer the consequences. These kids need to learn this before its to late.
American farmers feed & clothe the world!
by Extramp83 on Dec 29, 2009 11:13 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
oldschoolraider,
I will do my part to help restore your faith in humanity. I am a 20 something as well (exactly 20, in fact, and turn 21 in may WOOOOOHOOO) and I completely agree with redraidersax’s statements. James is being a total douche and making a fool out of himself. WHen I played high school football, I didn’t dare make sarcastic or snide comments to my head coach simply because he was older than me and I had to respect that. Some of the things kids my age get away with in sports now is simply ridiculous, and sadly, I think it is only going to get worse.
by techtom4 on Dec 29, 2009 2:32 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
The U.S. Air Force wasn't where I learned to cus
I learned all those words in Football, Basketball, and Baseball practice. When I cussed out a pot head kid in my office as a principal, he said, “You can’t cus at me!” I told him he can’t bring weed into my school, and who’s gonna believe you if you tattle anyway. Coaches can’t even cus at kids anymore, our coach used me as the tackling dummy when demonstrating technique for the forearm shiver. Another chapter of the sissification of our once great culture.
Give 'Em Hell Tech!!!!!
by Plano Jeff on Dec 29, 2009 7:10 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Can someone get a picture of this "shed" posted?
I ate at a restaurant in Lubbock last year across the street from Jones AT&T Stadium and the practice area, but I don’t remember the details that well.
We'll carry the banner high!
Bring On The Cats
by TB on Dec 29, 2009 7:35 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
Just give sweet baby james his
sippy cup and participation ribbon, pat him on the head (not on the ass as that could be considered sexual harrasment) and send him on his merry or gay) way. Interesting that daddy is not doing the game now…..mom must have locked up his manhood.
Captain, my Captain. You are great, with head held high, TAKE NO PRISONERS.
by blackbeard on Dec 29, 2009 7:42 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
been watching Mike and Mike in the morning
and greeny and golic are on vacation… they have Erik Kuselias and Merril Hoge on…
Erik Kuselias repeatedly keeps trying to make the discussion general but Merril Hoge seems determined to pain a sense of almost torture in lubbock… I love mike and mike in the morning… but i now hate Merril Hoge… i’ve been sending messages to them but don’t think they want anything that disagrees with them… damn it…
Wreck 'Em Tech!
J.T.H.
by redraidersax on Dec 29, 2009 7:43 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
Concussion Discussion
In all seriousness, there seems to be some cllueless folks out there who think that sweet baby james was put into some sort of danger. If mommy and daddy were THAT concerned about his health, maybe they should have pulled the little boy home or told him not to get out of the house. The fact is, Captain Leach did not abuse this little boy, but merely held him out of practice in a darkened secluded spot during practice. Grow up you pansy asses.
by blackbeard on Dec 29, 2009 8:01 AM CST reply actions 1 recs
The Weird thing is
Even Kansas did not suspend Mangino for a game, as the investigation was going on. Only, after everything was cleared, they suspended him. I am a little concerned about the timing of this. I can’t believe that the administration couldn’t have waited a couple of more days before pulling the suspension trigger. Also, was tech not a little bit premature in suspending Leach? I am not a lawyer, may be there were liabilities involved, but it just seems so weird. There is more going on in the back stage than is visible to us.
by jef on Dec 29, 2009 8:20 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
Tech Administration handled poorly
With facts starting to come out that this my be a case of a Little League Parent, Tech Adminstration looks really bad for not trying to handle this in a less public forum. As the story gets a little more clearer, I’m not sure at the end of the day that you could say that Leach did anything to James other than make him take off the Ed Harvey sunglasses and ride a stationary bike. Leach may be getting a payday by the way the incident has been handled.
by ttu_porters on Dec 29, 2009 8:41 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
That aspect of this event
is looking bad for the Admin, IMHO. There was no need for TTU to take this public, or to suspend their coach. We can see through all of this the value of the policy in Mike Leach’s program for no comments regarding injuries or discipline issues.
TTU is dumb to take this to the public venue…the James family is even dumber. That they did it makes me think it is part of an effort led by them to discredit ML in public without regard to the impact on any other players, their families or friends, or to TTU. If they feared for their son’s safety, they could have taken him out of any activities in which he might be endangered rather than attempt to make him the concusion poster boy.
by TallMike on Dec 29, 2009 12:01 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
A little "dirty dancing"
a commentor on RedRaiders.com mentioned this and I cannot stop laughing just thinking about it……………
imagine the last scene in “Dirty Dancing” then imagine Criag James walking up and saying, "Nobody puts Baby (James) in the corner………………
by blackbeard on Dec 29, 2009 8:42 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
Vince Vaughn
In swingers also…..right?
by oldschoolraider on Dec 29, 2009 10:35 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Meyers / Hance / others
my don’t they look purdy in a pearl necklace.
by blackbeard on Dec 29, 2009 8:58 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
Unlike Kansas....
I have only seen support for Leach from former players versus the mixed opinion on Mangino from players. Can we say overreaction by Gerald, Kent and Company.
by ttu_porters on Dec 29, 2009 9:14 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
Blown way out of proportion
I just get a gut feeling Mike will be coaching on Saturday and our recruits will all think this is a player who used his dad’s media power to compensate for his ill feelings towards the program that doesn’t make him a starter. IMO Craig James should have advised his son differently and not gone public with this story just yet. The fact senior James plans on running for office in Senate may be the attention grabber he’s really shooting for and not so much the fact his son is an average athlete that doesn’t start. I speculate just as much as anybody but this story seems really weak the more I hear about it.
"You've got to find your inner pirate" - Mike Leach
by Raider1992 on Dec 29, 2009 9:41 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
First Take on ESPN
the coverage of the story on ESPN’s First take with the debate on 1st and 10 was much better. Skip DID point out the fact of CJ being in a big place… he does think that Tech might be moving in the direction of getting Leach fired… but he at least approached everything better than anyone else i’ve seen on tv…
Wreck 'Em Tech!
J.T.H.
by redraidersax on Dec 29, 2009 9:43 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
I like Skip he always seems to look at both sides of the story. I think he probably knows that Craig James is using his media power to stick it to Leach.
by ST04 on Dec 29, 2009 9:45 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I saw that and agree as well
"You've got to find your inner pirate" - Mike Leach
by Raider1992 on Dec 29, 2009 10:45 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
GROW THE HELL UP!!!
And I’m not directing that to Adam “I’m gonna tell my Daddy you were mean to me” James. No. I’m directing it at an administration and, especially an Athletic Director, that desired national prominence for decades, and then once LEACH delivered it, has no idea how to technically manage the day-in day out process being on the national stage. This is Amateur with a capital freakin’ ‘A’. If I were Leach, I’d go tell that evil, west-texas, local yokel, cabal headed by Warlock Director Myers to kiss my A$$ (dollar signs wholly intended). They are intent on taking this program backwards. Hey Gerald, speak to a few Aggie alumni about how well they’ve steered that ship the last decade and a half.
TJ
by TeejMc3 on Dec 29, 2009 9:44 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
"Cleaning out my Closet"
is classic….thanks RyZe and Kain for another TTU Classic rap song.
The word “conspiracy” has been thrown around a lot. Do you think that ESPN could be behind this, wanting to get a juicy story? Or is Craig James trying to get on the Best Sellers list with his new book?
I agree with what was said above about Mangini…the guy basically WWE choke holds someone and doesn’t get suspended. Thanks to all the TTU alumni for stepping up for Coach. Can’t wait to hear what Welker has to say.
by LBKpiratefan on Dec 29, 2009 9:49 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
Sry, “Mangino”….got my fingers moving faster than my brain.
by LBKpiratefan on Dec 29, 2009 9:56 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Oh…one other thought…
Does this administration vs. head coach stuff, which seems to have been going on for a while, remind anyone of the Bobby Knight v. Indiana University stuff?
Staunch administration butting heads with a cocksure and headstrong coach…hope it ends better than that little marriage did.
by Tech92 on Dec 29, 2009 9:59 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
Good Point. It tore that schools fan base in half. I actually think this might be worse than that because this is just one allegation not several like Knight had.
by ST04 on Dec 29, 2009 10:09 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
The whole story makes...
Tech look bad once more in the public eye. We are all pro tech so we see it as we want to but around the nation you can bet that most would agree that we have one screwed up relationship between athletics and admin. I just wish we could get through a bowl season the normal way like we used to.
"You've got to find your inner pirate" - Mike Leach
by Raider1992 on Dec 29, 2009 10:49 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Gerald was a little more supportive of the Coach Knight during Salad-Gate as I recall
by ttu_porters on Dec 29, 2009 10:51 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
How does this action by Mike Leach compare
with the discipline allocated to Andre Emmet when he had to run for days and days to get back in good with Coach Knight of Hall of Fame renown ???
by TallMike on Dec 29, 2009 12:05 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Who would want to coach for a place that throws you under the bus?
Give 'Em Hell Tech!!!!!
by Plano Jeff on Dec 29, 2009 7:25 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
It feels like ESPN is conducting a smear campaign
ESPN’s coverage of this whole story has been blatantly one-sided.
They continually report is as Leach “locking an injured player in a closet for having a concussion” rather than disclose the full story.
Almost all of the sources they use are “undisclosed.”
On the analytical shows they preface by saying that all of the allegations are under investigation and that no facts are yet known, yet then go on to blast Leach for all the allegations that are under investigation and not yet known.
If other players came out to accuse Leach of mistreatment, (like players did with Mangino), ESPN would plaster it everywhere as breaking news and pound it into the national spotlight. Yet when players came out to defend Leach this morning, they don’t even feel its worth a one sentence mention on their website.
by 2001Raider on Dec 29, 2009 10:11 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
That’s America’s liberal media for you.
by ST04 on Dec 29, 2009 10:21 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
More like Fox News one sided media
VIVA LA FIGA!
by bmaxw on Dec 29, 2009 11:12 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Seems that the US
is hungry for that ‘one sided’ content……Fox’s audience surpasses that of the competition combined.
by oldschoolraider on Dec 29, 2009 1:08 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Yes and......
soccer is most popular sport in the world but that don’t make it good.
VIVA LA FIGA!
by bmaxw on Dec 29, 2009 8:28 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
As much as I think Leach does bear some culpability in all this, I am a bit shocked at how the Worldwide Leader has painted the coach. Very little fairness in their reporting. That’s the problem with that network. They don’t report, they editorialize. And they even have an ombudsman who is supposed to reign that in … doesn’t work.
by Tech92 on Dec 29, 2009 10:31 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I will agree with you this morning since I have calmed down that Leach could have done something to defuse this. However I am a man of my morals too. If I feel like I am right I am not going to go back on my personal beliefs or thinking.
And yes ESPN has done a crappy job of covering this and only giving one side. I just want this to blow over so we can 1. Beat MSU, 2. Get all our recruits, 3. Schedule SMU so when Adam James transfers there we can take it out on him.
I would also like to apologize for calling you a moron.
by ST04 on Dec 29, 2009 10:37 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
It's all good...
We all get wrapped up in stuff we’re passionate about. I know you didn’t mean it…well, you did, but it was in the heat of the moment, so no worries : )
by Tech92 on Dec 29, 2009 11:37 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Duh
It’s ESPN….have you ever heard anything good about Tech on there?
by LBKpiratefan on Dec 29, 2009 10:32 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Was looking for links to
listen to Lubbock ESPN or any pertinent radio shows there….but they don’t provide them.
by oldschoolraider on Dec 29, 2009 10:35 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
104.3 Double T radio go to their site and you can listen live. The national shows are on right now but they go off around 11.
by ST04 on Dec 29, 2009 10:38 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I’m reminded of a play from the OU game. Adam James got pancaked by an OU defender on a screen play. When he got up he started running his mouth and taunting and finally drew a flag. Granted, he’s not the only player to loose his cool in a game, but it does seem to fit in with the mentality he and his dad are now displaying.
by TechFirst on Dec 29, 2009 10:39 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
Don't read this if you are offended by speculation or conspiracy theories......
I think Baby James and daddy were pissed that he is the 12th best receiver on the team (a walk on from El Paso is getting his playing time) and what program is having a revival of a year this year throwing the ball around? SMU.
If he can raise enough hell, would the NCAA grant him the transfer without waiting a year or losing eligibility so that he can go play for June Jones and the school that paid Daddy so well?
I know this is speculation, but when someone does something that doesn’t look right or smell right….there is usually a motive that isn’t easliy detected.
by oldschoolraider on Dec 29, 2009 10:50 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
eh I think anyone could throw the ball under june jones’ offense against C-USA teams.
by ST04 on Dec 29, 2009 10:58 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Still can't believe....
Just heard Chris Fowler on ESPrumor and he of course is all on James’ side and he continued to put emphasis on the concussion angle. I don’t see how putting Adam in a dark room is putting his “concussion” and his health in danger. If Leach had made him practice that would be harm, it is very obvious the James’ don’t like to be"punished". Again if he was made to practice but to seclude him….sounds very much like a pride battle!!!!!! Wreck’Em Tech
by techgolf44 on Dec 29, 2009 10:57 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
Why would a parent make their son the poster boy for football concusions and then expect him to do well in college or college athletics ?
by TallMike on Dec 29, 2009 12:09 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
We need to make T-Shirts with FREE MIKE LEACH on the Front and Snitches get Stitches on the back.
by ST04 on Dec 29, 2009 11:00 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
Replace Gerald
ST04 – That is awesome and I’d buy ten today!
My Dad just came up with a great hypothetical. Lets FIRE Myers and replace him with Bobby K. Let’s embrace our inner pirate and become ‘that’ school. To hell with media butt kissers and those within the Admin that want to settle with mediocrity. I can’t believe that after all the success there are those that don’t believe Tech deserves it. A Knight/Leach combo would change the world!
TJ
by TeejMc3 on Dec 29, 2009 11:21 AM CST reply actions 1 recs
Chis Level said that Gerald didn’t know anything about the suspension.
by ST04 on Dec 29, 2009 12:00 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Chris Level was mistaken about Hance's involvement
The decision to suspend Leach was made in consultation with the Tech president, chancellor and Board of Regents members.
Regents chair Larry Anders said he could not comment on the investigation because it is a personnel issue, but the decision was ultimately made by Tech President Guy Bailey and Athletic Director Gerald Myers.
"We’ve been briefed, but ultimately, at the end of the day, it came down to a decision by the president and (athletic director)," Anders said.
by jeffinhouston on Dec 29, 2009 12:06 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I meant Gerald Myers' Involvement
by jeffinhouston on Dec 29, 2009 12:07 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Interesting. I still think this is going to come out looking bad for James
by ST04 on Dec 29, 2009 12:13 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
If that's true
Then it’s inexcusable that the AD wouldn’t be involved in this kind of action.
by ttu_porters on Dec 29, 2009 12:21 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I just fail to see how putting a kid in a dark room is bad for a concussion. Bad for morale, maybe, but not bad for a concussion. That’s a failed attempt by whomever in the media to throw Tech and Leach under the bus. Because no matter how you look at this, Tech is officially flying at 31,000 feet without rudders, ailerons or elevators.
by Tech92 on Dec 29, 2009 11:38 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
They were just talking about it on Tech talk. The room he was in is where the opposing team has their press conferences at. And the shed is where the O-line goes to cool off. This is such a joke.
by ST04 on Dec 29, 2009 11:58 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
yeah…i have yet to figure out what harm was done to this kid…i just don’t get it…unless there is more to it than we know now…
i mean, craig james looks really bad right now…he is keeping his son from an oppurtunity to learn a very valuable lesson if you ask me…
by TT4EVER on Dec 29, 2009 12:47 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
"common sense"..
This incident is a microcosm of what is happening nationally….family with connections whines….administration reacts thinking with their a$$ instead of their brains. Reminds be of a quote by Ernest Benn “Politics is the art of looking for trouble, finding it whether it exists or not, diagnosing it incorrectly, and applying the wrong remedy”
jdhud
by jdhud on Dec 29, 2009 11:54 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
Craig James
has always been biased against Tech. My friends and I joke that he secretly hates his son, because he never has anything nice to say about the team. I guess this is him just making up for lost time.
by taraebeth on Dec 29, 2009 12:09 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
and are we really sure that cj is the father
how could he be with no b_lls
by blackbeard on Dec 29, 2009 12:56 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Fence Mending
I don’t see how this gets resolved without someone losing their job. It’s not like the Tech Adminstration, Myers, Hance or Leach can go on and pretend this didn’t happen. I think the Adam James event just provided the conduit to try to oust Leach before his his big payday. JMHO
by ttu_porters on Dec 29, 2009 12:20 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
I agree. My problem with that is that the Football program bring in more revenue than any other athletic program at the school. It probably pays for most of the other programs. Yes you have to pay him big bucks now. Welcome to the big time Texas Tech sometimes you have to spend money to make money.
by ST04 on Dec 29, 2009 12:24 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
It would be really...
stupid if tech did look at this reason to fire Leach. All the season ticket holders and boosters would hold back contributions for putting tech back in basement. The incoming recruiting class which now stands around #24 would go way outside a top 25 class and kill our chances to succeed against UT and OU. As much as a pain in ass Leach may be for the Admin. folks he is worth it when it comes to generating money for Tech football. Meyers would go down if Leach gets terminated no doubt. The Tech alumni are all in favor of winning and like it. If that means Mike Leach bringing some negative press to Tech so be it as long as we continue to win and recruit like this year. Nobody was ever in danger in this whole story but instead a bunch of talking heads with little information made a knee jerk reaction to spread a sort of yellow journalism.
"You've got to find your inner pirate" - Mike Leach
by Raider1992 on Dec 29, 2009 1:07 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
agree
it looks like the James incident, on top of last years contract negociations are giving the school the opportunity to fire leach.
by CoachT on Dec 29, 2009 1:41 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
It could be tragic
to the TTU football program’s growth. Maybe Mike Leach really is not a key component to that, but it sure looks like it from my view.
If he was to be replaced, I do believe there could be a good coach to fill the role. We have seen time and again coaches be replaced and a recruiting class essentially hold together. There is little history of one coming completely apart happening.
by TallMike on Dec 29, 2009 5:08 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
One thing that doesn’t seem to have been addressed too much is if adam james said something smartass or with a bad attitude that warranted punishment. he is obviously no angel since he has been in the doghouse before, for whatever reason. also, since he supposedly had a mild concussion, putting him in a dark secluded room was probably the safest punishment possible without making him run or do anything strenuous. i don’t know the kid personally, but if he really is a spoiled brat with a little league father like many are making him out to be, then knocking him down a few pegs was probably long over due.
it would also be interesting to see what other players have to say that have been in the doghouse before like shannon woods, brandon carter, etc., or others that have transferred for one reason or another like chris todd or rashad hawk. Do they all come out and support the captain, or do they still hold bad feelings?
by pcrawttu on Dec 29, 2009 1:21 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
all I know is.....
it’s a good thing they tore down the old donkey barn………
by blackbeard on Dec 29, 2009 1:27 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
the silo is still up he could have put him in there.
by ST04 on Dec 29, 2009 1:35 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Tech as a university seems to have the universal support of the national media. At least from what I’ve read and heard so far. Seems like everyone with an opinion, outside of Raider Nation, thinks Leach should be hung by the neck until dead. ESPN, Sporting News Radio, Fox Spots, et al, all seem to be coming down squarely on the “something happened and whatever it was is bad and Leach is a heel” line of thinking.
Rich Eisen is covering for Dan Patrick and used words like, “disgusting” “shameful” “stunning” “shocking” “disturbing”. He never used the word alleged. He said things like, “What Mike Leach did is an embarrasment…”
It’s weird how last year the world was on Leach’s side in his contract negotiation, but now you’d think he beat a baby seal with a club on a webcam.
by Tech92 on Dec 29, 2009 1:31 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Joe Schad on Sportscenter just said that it looks like Tech is making plans to fire Leach in the next 48 hours. He actually gave Leach’s point-of-view, which was the first time I had heard the national media give it, but he still made it sound like Leach did bad and this is going to end badly.
by pcrawttu on Dec 29, 2009 1:36 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
I just don’t see this warrantying a firing, and if they do Tech can kiss my money goodbye.
by ST04 on Dec 29, 2009 1:37 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
i don’t either, but i think it is what espn is expecting.
by pcrawttu on Dec 29, 2009 1:38 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I’d be stunned if Tech keeps him. This is what Myers has wanted for two years. He better make a BIG splash with the next hire.
by Tech92 on Dec 29, 2009 1:39 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
This is why I was asking for his head
after the summer debaucle……Gerald is not stable.
by oldschoolraider on Dec 29, 2009 1:41 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Time for Gerald to head to Raider Ranch
"You've got to find your inner pirate" - Mike Leach
by Raider1992 on Dec 29, 2009 2:07 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
who the F would want to work for this dysfunctional short bus of a group?
Give 'Em Hell Tech!!!!!
by Plano Jeff on Dec 29, 2009 7:44 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
its not on Schad’s twitter account yet. Did you see him on tv?
by ST04 on Dec 29, 2009 1:39 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
yeah, i just heard him say that on tv. but he didn’t mention players defending leach or much positive. he just read the james’ letter, gave an update, said aj was in a “shed or whatever” and said to possibly look for leach firing in the next 48 hours.
by pcrawttu on Dec 29, 2009 1:45 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I just don’t think they are going to fire him. Although in Texas you don’t have to have cause to fire anyone but I just think they would loose big money if they do.
by ST04 on Dec 29, 2009 1:47 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Firing "for cause"
Texas is an at-will employment state, but that does not have an affect when there is an employment contract in place. The employment contract now governs when and how Leach can be fired and the liabilities for wrongful termination. I haven’t read the contract, but I can safely assume that any termination must be for cause.
by TTRedRaiderAlum on Dec 29, 2009 2:05 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
They don't have a clue
They are throwing everything out there to say they were first….
by oldschoolraider on Dec 29, 2009 1:39 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
If they fire him I am going to throw up in my cubicle…
by Strackwell on Dec 29, 2009 1:39 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Keep in mind this is the network that told us, via Mr. Herbstreit, that Les Miles would be at Michigan. Without a doubt and a sure fire thing. So there is that.
by Tech92 on Dec 29, 2009 1:40 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
WHO is the entrepreneur that
Will come up with the shirts to sell at the Alamo Bowl that will show pride for Tech (red) and will 1) support Mike 2) Stick it to ESPN 3) show disdain for Gerald and the admin???
I’m going with a group of 18….I’m in.
by oldschoolraider on Dec 29, 2009 1:44 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
I said we need one with FREE MIKE LEACH on the front and Snitches Get Stitches on the back.
by ST04 on Dec 29, 2009 1:46 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Yes, but who will do it?
I am not crazy about the back of your proposal……I get its sarcastic, but still.
I don’t need anything directed at the James family, but I want something going at ESPN and Gerald/admin.
by oldschoolraider on Dec 29, 2009 1:56 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Facebook group
I don’t know if you have seen this, but there is a Mike Leach supporters group on Facebook, and they already have shirts printed up that they are taking to San Antone.
by LBKpiratefan on Dec 29, 2009 1:57 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
My wife is the facebook person......
I just BS on DTN and thats enough. But, I will get her on it. I wonder how they are handling the logistics of purchasing and dispensing. I will find out and let you know.
by oldschoolraider on Dec 29, 2009 1:59 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Keep in on the home front...
If I were ya’ll I’d turn off ESPN and never turn it back on. Everything they have said about our university is a joke, present and past. I refuse to support a “news” network that is biased and incompetent.
If you want the facts about OUR university listen to Double T 104.3 or something. Don’t listen to Cowherd or Herbstreit or any of the other suits in Bristol until they get their facts straight.
by LBKpiratefan on Dec 29, 2009 1:47 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
true they were just saying on 104.3 that everyone said that Leach would get fired after the contract thing and he didn’t. I think Tech92 hit it on the head in that they are just trying to keep the public interest in the story.
by ST04 on Dec 29, 2009 1:49 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
TV Spot
Well sure, they needed to get the nation interested in this game so that there will be good story lines and everyone will tune into ESPN to watch the game and the station will get good ratings. Somewhere in all of this is a bag of money. As Chris Level always says “In life, 3 things are important, but the only one we can talk about is money.”
by LBKpiratefan on Dec 29, 2009 1:52 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
i just want to stay updated with what the national media is saying. like it or not, reputation matters and most people’s perceptions are based on what they see from the easiest sources, like espn. i don’t agree with it and it makes me mad, but it does matter to Tech’s success what they are saying.
by pcrawttu on Dec 29, 2009 1:52 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Agreed
I totally agree…i.e. the whole Crabtree Hold-out I think reflected badly on us. But you would think SOMEONE in that studio would stand up for Leach. I think I read that Skip Bayless might have said something positive on First Take, but who cares…he’s from OU. HA!
by LBKpiratefan on Dec 29, 2009 1:55 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
How is a suspension fair?
Someone accused Leach of something.. something that I’m not even sure is against any sort of code of conduct or rules. The player wasn’t injured or put in harm’s way due to his concussion. They said he put someone in a dark room for 3 hours and wouldn’t let him leave, and then put him in a closet for 3 hours and wouldn’t let him leave, unless he didn’t want to be on the team. That’s nice. Is there any proof that this happened or witnesses to corroborate the “dungeon” and “electrical closet” stories?
I guess there must be some other evidence or witnesses, otherwise suspending a coach because an unhappy and disgruntled player and his dad made a simple and even common sense punishment look a lot worse than it was would look pretty stupid. I would be pissed if I got suspended from my job until further notice because someone claimed I had done something wrong without any evidence.
I heard Ruffin McNeil killed Kennedy. Maybe we should suspend him too. Oh wait, I’m not Craig James. Damn!
by merrik on Dec 29, 2009 2:01 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Leach's lawyer
is on CNN in a second to give the coach’s side of things…tune it
by Tech92 on Dec 29, 2009 2:03 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
THis CNN anchor is a tool
and his upper lip is sweathing like Patrick Ewing’s backside
by oldschoolraider on Dec 29, 2009 2:24 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Outside The Lines
Adam Zuvanich is on the phone with OTL on ESPN right now and finally someone who is giving Leach’s side of teh story. Tune in if you can
by Red Raider Juggernaut on Dec 29, 2009 2:04 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
he is about as good of a speaker as Leach…lol
by TT4EVER on Dec 29, 2009 2:25 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Leach knows what he wants in a lawyer
and that is whoever has the biggest gorilla: http://www.abovethelaw.com/2007/12/lawyer_gorilla_ad.php
by mojavereject on Dec 29, 2009 2:27 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Ted Liggett
Outstanding, now Leach’s lawyer is doing work on OTL.
(forgive my typing, but i was doing so while listening to the interview on tv and tried to catch as much as I could.)
Liggestt says he will no longer refer to the building as a “shed” because it is where the O-Line takes breaks and was looking out for AJ’s best interests where it was dark and cool. A ton of ice was provided and a GA was assigned to check on him every 13-15 minutes to make sure he was aware and not napping. He is mentioning that during an injury Leach likes to keep those players close to practice. This equipment garage was near practice, no rats ranning around, but a place for Adam to be kept out of the heat. A certified licensed trainer supervising, and a grad student supervising as well. A medical doctor evaluated him and cleared him to attend pratice, and a statement from this doctor says that he believes Mikes actions helped him, and nothing Mike did harmed James or damaged him in anyway. This comes straight from the doctor to cleared him. He was cleared to be with the team, be close together, to watch the drills, but not to participate in contact. He was not admitted in the hospital for a full concussion, but only a minor concussion.
OTL asked: why do we have one side (leach) saying he was looking out for a young man and the other side (James) feeling they were humiliated and put in danger
Liggett: “I have no idea why this young man is making these accusations, unless he was possibly not happy with the amount of playing time he was getting” “but you as asking me a question that I cannot answer bc i am niether of these two individuals”
OTL: The school might be preparing to fire coach within the next 48 hours, do you have anything you can tell us about that
Liggett: " the university can attempt to do anything it wants. of coarse its my position they cant. We have no idea what we are accused of doing. I have a simple 4 sentence letter that there is an investigation, and until complete he is suspended to coach the bowl game."
by Red Raider Juggernaut on Dec 29, 2009 2:20 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
since when is standing cruel and unjust punishment for a 20 year old?
by TT4EVER on Dec 29, 2009 2:27 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
The CNN guy is clueless…Michael Leach, coach of the Texas Raiders.
by Tech92 on Dec 29, 2009 2:15 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
They are talking to Eddie George and Mercury Morris of all people.
by Tech92 on Dec 29, 2009 2:16 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
At least Morris had the integrity to not comment on things he didn’t know the details of. Unlike you know…everyone else.
by merrik on Dec 29, 2009 2:29 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Mercury Morris sees nothing wrong, Eddie George is anti-Leach.
by Tech92 on Dec 29, 2009 2:20 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
eddie george probably got prefered treatment at OSU.
LEACH IS GOING TO BE ON CNN!
by ST04 on Dec 29, 2009 2:24 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
oh sorry i misheard it. I am trying to work on a report. I hope I don’t have anything about gerald myers, mike leach or texas tech in it.
by ST04 on Dec 29, 2009 2:27 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Morris, who graduated last year, described the electrical closet inside the stadium as a roomy enough space where the visiting media gathered for interviews after games. Morris said Leach mostly relegated injured players to what the team knew as “Muscle Beach” — an area beside the practice field where those not healthy enough to play did strength and conditioning work.
by ST04 on Dec 29, 2009 2:22 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Good thing Ed Britton's dad doesn't work for ESPN
Otherwise they might not have been so eager to hear Leach’s story about his last well-publicized bout of practice discipline.
by mojavereject on Dec 29, 2009 2:24 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Leach interview
http://www.cnn.com/audio/radio/cnntv.html
Apparently Leach is going to be on CNN in live 5 minutes
by Strackwell on Dec 29, 2009 2:28 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
The guy on CNN might be a moron. But, he did say that Mike Leach was supposed to come on.
by Strackwell on Dec 29, 2009 2:34 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
do you mean CNN or CNN Headline News?
I’d almost rather watch this shitstorm unfold than experience the soul-crushing pointlessness of the EagleBank Bowl
by mojavereject on Dec 29, 2009 2:35 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I’m sorry, but shitstorm is one of the best cuss words EVAAAR. I love that one. Pretty underrated as far a cussing goes.
by Tech92 on Dec 29, 2009 2:38 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Thx
you know I take my profanity very seriously
by mojavereject on Dec 29, 2009 2:40 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
don't sell clusterf@#k short
Give 'Em Hell Tech!!!!!
by Plano Jeff on Dec 29, 2009 7:57 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
This just really bugs me that we can’t get ourselves together enough to avoid a national meltdown over one thing or another. I have still yet to hear about why this came out now, why Leach was suspended based on one player and his dad’s comments, and why the Leach wasn’t allowed to continue coaching until the investigation determined what actually happened.
This is stupid suits at the university being ultra-reactionary in trying to quell a controversy, only to create an even worse controversy.
by merrik on Dec 29, 2009 2:40 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I think it’s fairly clear they want to use this to can him for cause and not owe any money. The powers that be have got to be loving the fact that everyone and their dog is crucifying Leach today.
by Tech92 on Dec 29, 2009 2:42 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Mmmm….tough one. “Soul-crushing pointlessness of the Eagle Bank Bowl”…or…the cerebrum-rattling assult of tabloid cable news. Crap.
by ForestFlyer on Dec 29, 2009 2:40 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
I have never heard of this bowl nor do I care to surf over there to see who is playing…that is all…
by TT4EVER on Dec 29, 2009 2:43 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Every bowl season I get crushed by the pointlessness of it all. It’s like when we were 13 and arguing over whether Batman could beat up Spiderman or if the Green Lantern could beat Captain America.
None of these bowl games mean anything, but a few of them are interesting match ups between teams that don’t normally play each other. They’re worth watching just because football is fun to watch, I guess.
For whatever reason we won’t get a playoff until we storm the NCAA headquarters with pitchforks and torches.
by merrik on Dec 29, 2009 2:51 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Agreed
It’s my position that if anyone’s going to get suspended or fired, it’s the individual or group who decided that Leach should be suspended after a round of he-said/he-said but before an actual investigation. If you’re going to try a Day of the Long Knives, do it like a proper villain.
by mojavereject on Dec 29, 2009 2:43 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
So...
did I miss Liggett, or should I continue to wait patiently while CNN informs me that Charlie Sheen threatened his wife while wearing a pink tutu, swim fins, and a viking helmet?
by ForestFlyer on Dec 29, 2009 2:52 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Leach needs to get this guy in the giant ice cube
to speak up in his defense
by mojavereject on Dec 29, 2009 2:53 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
here we go, Leach story on right now
2:53 PM CDT
by mojavereject on Dec 29, 2009 2:54 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Liggett is not very good at speaking off the cuff
But then again that isn’t what makes him an effective PI attorney in west Texas anyway. Just watched a replay of his OTL appearance – Liggett is just not a very good spokesman for the public forum. He’s better doing his thing in the courtroom than in the pr\ess.
by jeffinhouston on Dec 29, 2009 5:10 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
That gorilla
needs to be a better spokesman
by oldschoolraider on Dec 29, 2009 2:57 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
I bet...
this guy has a late night tv commercial.
by ForestFlyer on Dec 29, 2009 3:00 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Okay that's over
Over to College Football Live to see how the WWL is handling things
by mojavereject on Dec 29, 2009 3:01 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Oh…my…God…
How does this guy ever win a trial (he’s a personal injury lawyer). What an absolute disaster!!!
Mike. Hey, Mike. MIKE!!! Go hire a real attorney!!! TODAY! NOW!!!!
by Tech92 on Dec 29, 2009 3:02 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Well...
Liggett may be a good lawyer, but he’s sure not a public relations guy. He sounded like a sweaty-palmed stuttering introvert.
by ForestFlyer on Dec 29, 2009 3:02 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
He didn’t want to show his hand to much.
by ST04 on Dec 29, 2009 3:03 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
If this guy represent Leach in the contract negotiation . . .
then it is no wonder why it took so long to reach an agreement. He may be a brilliant attorney, but he sure didn’t win any jurors in that discussion.
by CRV on Dec 29, 2009 3:03 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
From Joe Schad:
A memo from Texas Tech Doc: Leach’s actions did not place James at increased risk of harm, but was not doctor-perscribed
by mojavereject on Dec 29, 2009 3:05 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
bonus mention that if Mike Leach is still head coach at the end of Dec 31
he gets an $800,000 bonus. Don’t make me post Churchlady.jpg
by mojavereject on Dec 29, 2009 3:06 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
not a good showing
as has already been said, leach’s lawyer sounded unsure of his answers and struggled with the questions. Not good.
by CoachT on Dec 29, 2009 3:21 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
yeah
old dude needs an education on a talking points memo
by mojavereject on Dec 29, 2009 3:22 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Thanks for that.....
Love that the host said, if he isoldated the kid we can agree that is wrong……WHY?
It is a timeout for being a jackass….concussion or not.
by oldschoolraider on Dec 29, 2009 3:33 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
As this
story continues, the feel is increasingly slimy.
by ForestFlyer on Dec 29, 2009 3:35 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Mickey Peters
another former player on ML’s side…..
by oldschoolraider on Dec 29, 2009 3:35 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Well..
Leggitt may be a poor spokesman, but if what I just heard on 104.3 is representative, he prepares a pretty good document. Though law isn’t my arena.
by ForestFlyer on Dec 29, 2009 3:49 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
sorry….distracted. Raider1992 posted the document below.
by ForestFlyer on Dec 29, 2009 4:07 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
just saw the posting of the "shed"
If I could get both my kids tuition, books, room and board for free, I would stand in there 3 hours everyday. (plus tickets for my family to all the games)
by blackbeard on Dec 29, 2009 3:51 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Mike's Legal motion if interested
see link:
http://ftpcontent.worldnow.com/kcbd/2006/station/Leach_Petition.pdf
"You've got to find your inner pirate" - Mike Leach
by Raider1992 on Dec 29, 2009 3:59 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Nothing real surprisng in the petition
It presents a prima facie case as it must without saying much. The important evidence will be presented during the live hearing via testimony, so Leach’s affidavit is intentionally pretty vague and doesn’t tell us his version of the facts. But I’m glad they filed this to at least get the opportunity to have a judge decide things on a temporary basis.
by jeffinhouston on Dec 29, 2009 4:47 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
That was interesting....and everything in it's present form reported lately reflects very badly on Adam/Craig James
If this is the only thing ’they’ve" got – the more I hear about what transpired up to these events…and Leach’s dealing with them the more Leach was not just within his rights as coach, leader and disciplinarian …but his actions were measured, principled and appropriate given the situation at hand. It appears that James, (Dad) has not been getting the kind of “favors” he felt he or his son should get and shamefully used his position to air it out and the administration blundered in not letting “cool heads” prevail till after the game. The only other reason I can guess about other than the $800k Dec 31st check and a vendetta to fire Leach might be that they, (admin) may have uncovered “other” more serious incidents with “other” players, (the former players favorable comments aside) that have recently come to light in their early investigation and that they have not or perhaps cannot shed light or disclose while they look into them. That would seem to me the only leg for them to stand on. And that they were so serious that allowing Leach to coach another game would be not just irresponsible but negligent. Certainly James case doesn’t rise to this level by itself. I dont see another way the admin can be taking the view of suspending coach Leach. Just saying ….and I’m a huge supporter of Leach.
by Raiderit on Dec 29, 2009 4:04 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
I know this is no place for politics, but its the far left of the world today who have made this a big deal. Twenty plus years ago, no one would’ve cared that Adam James had to sit in a dark closet. . they’d say he deserved it.
by taraebeth on Dec 29, 2009 4:07 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
"I know this is no place for politics"
you could have stopped there and saved yourself the taste of foot
by mojavereject on Dec 29, 2009 4:59 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
YOUR RIGHT!!!!!
This is no place for Politics.
VIVA LA FIGA!
by bmaxw on Dec 29, 2009 8:34 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Apparently this is no place for proper grammer either.
Give me team chemistry and emotion over stats any day. Do you think 34,000 Ranger fans were screaming their asses off over Pudge and his .275 OBP?
by AceJC on Dec 29, 2009 11:33 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/bowls09/news/story?id=4779341
Wreck 'Em Tech!
J.T.H.
by redraidersax on Dec 29, 2009 4:16 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/bowls09/news/story?id=4779341
Wreck 'Em Tech!
J.T.H.
by redraidersax on Dec 29, 2009 4:17 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I can stand up and say that I am changing the tune. After this first broke, I was fairly in the Tech camp. I just felt where there’s smoke there’s fire – not realizing how vindictive our administration (i.e. Myers), can often be. I’m convinced there is nothing more to this than pissed off dad, a bitter AD, and a coach caught in the cross hairs.
by Tech92 on Dec 29, 2009 4:17 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Well, I didn’t see the big deal when I first heard the story based on what was presented. Put a guy in a closet for a few hours for being a douche. OK? It’s Texas, and this is football; James could’ve had to run up and down steps until his intestines started bleeding. I’d think being alone in the dark would be pretty nice as far as “awful things your coach can make you do” go.
After now seeing the other side present its version (and, wonder of wonders, documented evidence), this is a total farce. I look forward to a chorus of apologies and lots of dudes in suits at Tech with egg on their face. And if my dreams come true Craig James will be put in an electrical closet for a few hours.
by merrik on Dec 29, 2009 6:27 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
A “pissed-off dad” with access to a national media platform.
by ForestFlyer on Dec 29, 2009 4:34 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Scorched earth
To get baby James the transfer to SMU.
by oldschoolraider on Dec 29, 2009 4:37 PM CST via mobile reply actions 0 recs
I hope Craig James goes forward with his wanting to enter politics
Such a decision by Craig James – who has no qualification for any political or leadership position – will revitalize my long-lost interest in politics and I will personally ensure he regrets opening himself up to all the scrutiny he deserves.
by jeffinhouston on Dec 29, 2009 5:17 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Craig James
CJ was just ESPN and says “all of the stories ESPN has put out there has been accurate”
Of coarse he says this, because he is the meat head feeding them this bull. I mean does anyone think its odd that where he was being interviewed was the same place that joe schad was giving all his “unnamed source” info.
I hope the whole country finds out this guy is a fraud. He would fit in well with all those other political crooks
by Red Raider Juggernaut on Dec 29, 2009 5:27 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
I think Leach has orchestrated this whole fiasco because he wants his presence to be a “game time decision” and throw off Michigan State’s game plan.
or probably not.
by pcrawttu on Dec 29, 2009 6:18 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
this is bullshit
the slant that the media has agaisnt leach is ridiculous!!! Chris Fowler was on the cowherd show today questioning leach’s integrity and saying that “he must be clueless if he doesnt understand how serious a concussion is.” really? am i hearing this right? he was practicaly doing this kid a favor by putting his ass in that shed. And someone said on 104.3 that the teammates support james. how do you support a guy that throws your head coach under a bus? I hate to say it because i hope it doesnt happen, but leach is gonna get fired over some bullshit and a ugly court battle will ensue. Better get chris petersen on the phone. I will still support our red raiders on the field, but administration and A.D. sorely test the fans patience.
by wrench_raider on Dec 29, 2009 6:23 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Actually I think everyone who is not an ESPN analyst is seeing the light that this was just a dad using his power to push a university and a coach around. If you go online to any forums talking about this about 95% have Leach’s side.
Peterson would be a good coach I would just rather have Leach.
by ST04 on Dec 29, 2009 6:59 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
agree
best case scenario: leach stays and were all happy
worst case scenario: leach gets canned, and we hire a offensive minded coach.
by wrench_raider on Dec 29, 2009 7:59 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Was it Ever Confirmed that the James would have Accepted an Apology from Leach?
I’m sure it has been said: but can the family say that this was unhealthy for AJ if they are willing to accept an apology? It has nothing to do with medical necessities or a player being in danger. This is all ego.
by Texas1836 on Dec 29, 2009 6:59 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
That's the very first thing that jumped out at me as BS
Give 'Em Hell Tech!!!!!
by Plano Jeff on Dec 29, 2009 8:24 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
ESPN'sensation
ESPN’s Mark May has always been a Tech basher, as last year he would never give us our due. He now talks like he is broadcasting from Sixth Street while eating Earl Campbell sausage with Matthew Maconahay. He is a certifiable goofball. Whatever you think of Lou Holtz, he at least throws in some balance to the argument.
by Texas1836 on Dec 29, 2009 7:05 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
looks bad for university
I DO NOT LIKE MARK MAY NOR MR HOLTZ, however, i think the conversation they just had kinda put the blame of all this on the University, as they have been the first on that network to question the timing and actions by TECH!
by TechRed01 on Dec 29, 2009 7:13 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
So Holtz just realized the Three Stooges are running Texas Tech University
I ‘ve known that since they all botched the contract negotiations last spring & then allowed Gerald Meyers to remain as AD. Those two new north end zone sections will forever be known as Gerald’s Folly if they fire Leach this week (And the latest headline on ESPN says ‘Leach expects to be fired soon’). Those new sections were 1/2 empty at the Oklahoma game. They’ll be full of tumbleweeds if Leach leaves.
by mbrown603 on Dec 29, 2009 7:21 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Go Lou
That may be the first thing Lou Holtz has said that I agree with. haha. At least he tried to reel May back to reality a little bit.
by jdeeTTU on Dec 29, 2009 7:21 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Yea. Some of his earlier comments sounded like they came from the gut of a coach accustomed to dealing with bed-wetting cry babies.
by Texas1836 on Dec 29, 2009 7:32 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
+1
First time I have ever agreed with Lou…. EVER
by RAIDERdweb on Dec 30, 2009 12:15 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Time for Admin change at Tech: Another embarrassment for Tech fans & Alum
The handlingof this complaint by the James family against Coach Leach by the TTU admin is woefully inadequate and lack of descretion. The suspension evokes a concerted effort at public humiliation of Mike Leach and the university as a whole.
I am preparing a formal inquest to the state of Texas to investigate the details of these continuing ridiculous decisions by the TTU administration.
As far as the validity of the complaint by the James’, it will all come out and they will be rewarded accordingly. I hope Craig James has another career lined up once he is no longer used by ESPN.
by DonDavisDealersh on Dec 29, 2009 7:39 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
I was gonna post this elsewhere, but I didn't really want to start a stink, so I'll post it here instead.
Re: standing up
Standing up for 1-2 (or 3 if you believe the initial melodrama that had him in Gitmo style stress positions in a fucking electrical closet) is not fucking difficult. Jesus christ I stood up for an hour this afternoon watching TV at my Grandmother’s house, and I was relaxing.
She’s 98 years old and stood on her feet for 15 or 20 minutes doing dishes because we cannot make her stop doing stuff like that. Maybe she’s just made of tougher stuff than Adam James.
This guy is supposed to be an athlete and he’s supposed to be running and getting the shit beat out of him for roughly half of a 4 hour football game every Saturday. If he can’t tolerate being on his feet for a few hours maybe they should issue him a wheelchair.
Steven Sheffield had a broken foot this year and stood up on the sideline the whole fucking game on crutches. He seemed more interested in talking his teammates up than worrying about his foot
One of the articles posted in the Lubbock newspaper today quoted a former Tech lineman saying that some people just aren’t cut out for playing college football.
If Adam James considers standing on his feet for 3 hours to be torture, then he’s not cut out for retail, or food service, or any type of manual labor, or anything other than inheriting Daddy’s money and sitting on his ass the rest of his life, which appears to be his career track at this time.
Never mind that being in the dark is exactly what he needed if he was light sensitive, and exactly the point of the sunglasses. Leach did what was right for this kid.
by boar_amour on Dec 29, 2009 7:54 PM CST reply actions 3 recs
So, over on raiderpower.com, a few posters are adding comments from the various players Facebook or Twitter pages that SEEM to point to their support of Adam James. I am confounded by this whole thing. I can’t wait to see what comes out in the wash.
by Tech92 on Dec 29, 2009 8:38 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
In one of two e-mails written by current Tech inside wide receivers coach Lincoln Riley, including one to athletic director Gerald Myers, obtained Tuesday by Schad and ESPN.com’s Mark Schlabach, Riley referred to James as “unusually lazy and entitled” and said he has been worried about James’ effect on the rest of the …receivers because of “his weak and conceited attitude.”In a separate e-mail, Riley said he and Leach disciplined James for poor effort from earlier drills two practices before James claimed his concussion, writing, “This has been a common theme about Adam’s work ethic and attitude during his entire career.”
by Tech92 on Dec 29, 2009 8:41 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
How much trouble would i get in
if i posted Craig James’ address?
Wreck 'Em Tech!
J.T.H.
by redraidersax on Dec 29, 2009 8:48 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
not much in a legal sense
if he owns a house, it’s a public record.
by Tech92 on Dec 29, 2009 8:54 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Please send Hance and Bailey
An email if you are so moved….be civil and decent.
guy.bailey@ttu.edu
kent.hance@ttu.edu
by oldschoolraider on Dec 29, 2009 9:43 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Craig and Joe in Front of an Army Blanket
Just saw a couple of reports with ESPN’s inside report from their insider Craig"I’m a parent" James. It looked not to be filmed in a studio, but possibly remote, maybe at his residence, because the backdrop is a wrinkled blanket. It looks as though he reporting from the inner sanctum of his bedroom blanket fort. Oddly ESPN’s Joe “from an unnamed source” Schad made his report from the same fort. Sensational.
by Texas1836 on Dec 29, 2009 10:49 PM CST reply actions 1 recs
The blanket fort
reminded me of Howie from the movie The Benchwarmers…which ironically seems to fit this situation well.
“I’M HERE TO TELL YOU THAT THE SUN IS NOT A MONSTER!!!!!!”
by LBKpiratefan on Dec 30, 2009 9:43 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
TV video of supposed shed and electrical closet.
by ST04 on Dec 30, 2009 9:06 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
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