UT STILL crying
by pcrawttu on Feb 26, 2009 5:50 PM CST
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http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/story?id=3937665
Will Mack Brown ever let this go? He is inviting "BCS gurus" to explain to him the nuances of the BCS system. Give me a break. This guy knows exactly how the system works, and he has worked it to his advantage before. Remember 2004, I think, when ol' Mack begged for his votes and got them to arrive in the Rose Bowl. They even tried this past year, with their whole "45-35" campaign.
He knows better than anybody the politicking involved, in addition to all the things the voters look for. He knows that it was a three way tie, nullifying the head to head argument. He knows that he still lost a game. He knows that OU finished the season in a much stronger and convincing manner. He knows that OU's out-of-conference schedule was stronger than his. He knows that OU's loss came earlier in the season. He knows that the BCS doesn't always make sense, just as he knows there are always winners and losers. More people just felt (and voted) that OU was the superior team at the end of the season.
Now he's STILL playing the role of the pathetic little victim. Does he really expect sympathy, especially after their lackluster performance against an over-rated Ohio State? Does he think that anyone outside of Austin really cares that the almighty UT still feels like they were screwed? Ask Utah how they feel, Mack.
Obviously Mack understands the system perfectly. He is already kicking off his campaign for next season to be the National Champs. Even before a snap gets taken on the field, he is trying to grab votes away from OU. He wants everyone to remember how bad they've been treated to get some sympathy votes and try to cover up a pathetically awful out of conference schedule in 2009. In fact, I wouldn't be surprised if the reason they wanted to move the Tech game up so early in the year was to give the voters some reason to forget that they are playing:
Sept. 5 Louisiana-Monroe
Sept. 12 at Wyoming
Sept. 26 UTEP
Nov. 7 UCF
And what exactly is Mack going to ask these BCS gurus? Maybe he wants to find out if UT needs more media exposure, because we all know that we never hear about them on Espn.
I sure wish I had the time and money to blow on having "experts" explain to me a process that was set up by a bunch of men just like Mack himself.
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He is talking about
“Cleaning up in a few areas.” I wonder if he will include cleaning up their act with law enforcement?
Oh, speaking of which; has he invited Augie to try out for the team? It does not matter if he still has or does not have remaining eligibility. He now meets their criteria of being placed in jail and having a record……Ha! He’ll fit right in…….
TTpilk
Why couldn't UT huddle up?
It’s a parole violation to associate with known felons!
¡Viva los Matadores!
Please learn to read between the lines.
He has to be using it as motivation for the team.
Having them believe it was the computer’s fault tells them to leave nothing to chance this year. He knows the patsies in OOC are the problem and wants the team to give every game everything they have.
Keep in mind, Mack Brown has always been about these displays such as these to motivate his teams.
He just can't let it go.
Mack: I don’t understand how…what did I do…
BCS Guru: It’s not your fault.
Mack: But I just…
BCS Guru: Mack, it’s not your fault.
Mack: (distraught)
BCS Guru: It’s not your fault.
Mack: (starts to gently sob) but why…
BCS Guru: It’s not your fault.
Mack: It’s an f-ed up system, isn’t it?
BCS Guru: Can I go home now?
Keep it up Mack!
I think it is great that Mack keeps on bringing this up. His redundant whining is getting old to most people and I think in the long run will hurt their program. Perhaps I am being overly optimistic about this but I think that most people will eventually tune his Bull out . They will finally see the light and determine that UT is full of itself and is always going to think they got the short end of the stick in every scenario. So keep on whining Mack…
allow me some replies (before 10forTech harasses me)......
Remember 2004, I think, when ol’ Mack begged for his votes and got them to arrive in the Rose Bowl.
Texas won that game, in a classic. Cal, who was “snubbed” was blown out in the Holiday Bowl to Tech. I think the BCS got it right, there. Ironically, it worked out for Tech too. You would have been in the Alamo if Texas hadn’t given the Big 12 2 bids.
Does he really expect sympathy, especially after their lackluster performance against an over-rated Ohio State?
Ask OU how hard it is to win a BCS Bowl. You guys should know something about how hard it can be to win a bowl game too….. Texas 2, Ohio State 1. That’s good for the league, the Big 12 needed to win a BCS bowl game with its other hyped “powers” by and large disappointing in their respective games.
Does he think that anyone outside of Austin really cares that the almighty UT still feels like they were screwed?
Well, they obviously care in Lubbock since you posted this. And, I guess ESPN cares too…
He is already kicking off his campaign for next season to be the National Champs.
Hell yeah he is. Answer this, would you rather have your coach kicking off a campaign for a national championship, as you said, or have him making headlines for hiring a PR staff to hold a support rally outside his office to turn public opinion in his favor because he has openly campaigned for every open head coaching position in the country but couldn’t get one and is now back in town with an angry fan base?
In fact, I wouldn’t be surprised if the reason they wanted to move the Tech game up so early in the year was to give the voters some reason to forget that they are playing……
I think ESPN asked both Tech and UT to move it up. Tech agreed to it too. However, I can’t defend that non-conference schedule. It’s a joke. I guess Eastern Washington and UMass were booked. Still, I hate our non-con scheduling since the OSU series. Texas has tried to get series with Boston College and others, but have had trouble getting deals done. (We do have UCLA and Arkansas in the coming years and you should know that Arkansas asked to reschedule the game this coming season because their schedule was too tough (ironically they kept their A&M game).
Ask Utah how they feel, Mack.
Great point. But, and this goes to your scheduling remarks too, did you know that UT and Utah were supposed to play in Austin last season? Yes, the undefeated Utes bailed out on a game with UT because they didn’t want to risk a loss and a possible BCS pay-out. Is that the mark of a National Champion? So, UT has scheduled some better teams, but again, it’s hard to get them to come to town. Also, whenever I hear anybody say Utah was robbed, I can’t help but think its their fault for not having the balls to play UT in Austin. Had they won that game, and beat Alabama, there’s no doubt in my mind they would have gotten a split title. But, we’ll never know, and ironically, Utah can thank Urban Meyer for that (he is the coach that killed the game, little did he know that it could have saved his future team half a title).
By the way, when Tulsa was talking BCS, I said the same thing about them for bailing on the Tech game. As a brilliant American philosopher once said, “To be the best, you have to beat the best.”
I agree with some of your points as you picked out a few select sentences, but what is your overall response to the point of the article? My point was that it is ridiculous for Mack to be doing this whole thing. BCS "experts and gurus"? What does that even mean? Who would that entail? Other coaches? Media members? Conference commissioners and administrators? TV execs? Bloggers? The guys who write the formulas and programs for the BCS computer vote?
And what exactly are the experts going to tell him and his players? I suspect it depends on who he selects to come and what his aim is in doing this. Either they will outline the factors outlined above, in which case they would be telling him info he already knows, or they will tell him that he got screwed. Both are pointless.
And if you say that he is doing this for motivation to his players, that is even sadder and more off target If there are real ballplayers on that team, they don’t need some douchy blowhard in a suit and tie telling them how to play or what to do differently. That’s what coaches are for. It’s like your parents hiring Dr. Phil to come talk to you when you break up with your girlfriend.
Respond back how you will, but this is just another of Mack’s cheesy PR gigs that has nothing to do with his players or actually playing football. At least when Mack brought in Lance Armstrong and those Marines, they were actual competitors and might have had something useful to say. UT is good enough on the field already, they shouldn’t be resorting to these phony shenanigans.
It is ridiculous....
I completely agree that hiring experts or "BCS guru’s is a strange approach and one that can’t possibly be helpful. I don’t necessarily think that Mack intended for it to get national headlines or start debate, I think it’s spring, and we’re a bit starving for some football content…
To be honest, I don’t think Texas players need BCS guru’s to be motivated. I think most UT fans and players feel we were legitimately robbed from playing in the MNC last year (let’s not get into that debate again), but I feel that UT has all the motivation it needs and the proper leadership (a Heisman runner-up mainly) to keep the team focused.
I also don’t get why Mack is viewed so negatively for publicly stating his opinion. He thought Texas deserved a BCS bid over Cal. He was right. He thought Texas was the best team in the Big 12 last year and should have been given a chance to play for it all. (After the bowls, UT was the last Big 12 team standing so its arguable that he was right there too). In a sport where public opinion determines who plays for a national champion, I can’t fault my coach for pushing for his team. When Urban Meyer campaigned for Florida over Michigan, he wasn’t criticized nearly as much as Mack has been. He did what he had to do, all that he could do, to get his team where he felt they belonged. I want a coach that does that, not one that stands back and watches while his team gets jobbed in his eyes (right or wrong).
First, I think you realize that the prospect of hiring a BCS guru reeks of “over-doneness”. It’s funny to me and when I first read the story, I chuckled out-loud. It just sounded so sad for Mack to say that UT hired BCS gurus. Typing it makes me smile.
In any event, Mack needs to look no further than the archives of BON to find his gurus and they would gladly work for free (Billy Zane and the other math guy — name escapes me).
Personally, I think that every coach politics and it’s easy to poke and prod Mack right now because he’s speaking up and hiring gurus. If it was any other coach, I’m sure the same thing could be said.
I also thought that Dr. Saturday had similar thoughts, as above, just win damn’t, blow opponents out and you don’t need any gurus or experts.
Go Raiders . . .
Double-T Nation
Thanks for the link...
And I agree with you that it is silly and over-done. I think you are referring to Horn Brain, who along with BZ and others, provide great content. Yeah, I get the point of this article and thought it was funny too, I felt the need, though, to defend Mack a bit because he does seem to become a punching bag every time he talks (in this case, I have to agree with some of the “WTF” reaction…. Great blog by the way, best Tech sports content available, I check in here at least once a week (along with CCMachine and BOTC)….
Yes, Horn Brain was the other. They had that BCS stuff figured out better than I ever possibly could, and there were probably others as well including PB.
Thanks for the nice words.
Go Raiders . . .
Double-T Nation
why...
Mack Brown (deservedly) catches a lot of flak because Longhorns feel the compulsion to tell everyone else ALL SEASON how “classy” the guy is. Mack Brown recruits well and Mack Brown brings in money and Mack Brown wins football games. Those are the three things he does and those are the three things your football coach is SUPPOSED to do. If outside of those things Mack Brown kicked little old ladies or regularly woke up drunk in the gutter, no one would care because “he’s a winner”. The debate is not really there for him being a winner or not, because frankly just look at the record. I don’t like it, I loved watching the ‘horns lose in Lubbock, but Mack Brown has done wonders for the Texas program. But, that said, when I CONTINUALLY hear how “classy” he is and then watch him SHAMELESSLY pander for votes (votes that we don’t get) or watch him make back-handed “compliments” on our program or take subtle jabs at our fans or any of the other crap he pulls, well then excuse the Raider nation if we’re not all jazzed to hear another “Mack Brown readying for NC run” story.
(Red Raiders especially are sick of hearing how the Longhorns got “jobbed” last season since their one loss came to us (who ALSO had … 1 loss), I’ll FREELY admit we lost the right to complain when we got ANNIHILATED in Oklahoma, and we shut our yap for the most part because we were aware of that. But that’s not good enough for the almighty UT who felt the need to “re-imagine” their game in Lubbock to some weird “fluke” game wherein the Raiders miraculously stole a victory at the last moment. Ignoring ENTIRELY that UT only led for about a minute and a half of the ENTIRE game. And before you say “dropped interception” I’ll make the same offer I made then. I’ll trade you that one play (the dropped interception) if you give me one OTHER play, just one. And I say if you make that trade Tech STILL wins that game and never even trails)
I can't speak for all UT fans...
But I have never, in my life, felt the compulsion to tell everyone I know that Mack Brown is “classy.” Mack is portrayed a certain way in the media because that’s the way the media sees him (The folksy, charming, southern gentleman). The media sees Leach as an eccentric, brilliant, “Mad scientist.” That doesn’t get UT fans furious. It’s all just part of the fun.
Just google it
But Brown stood on principle. Instead of increasing the margin of victory and gaining possible "style" points, he turned to a more conservative game plan and substituted second-string players when the game was in control. It was a move that was consistent with his character on and off the field, and might have cost his team the Big XII South title and possibly a spot in the BCS Championship game.
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Mack Brown wants to keep the BCS and make radical changes. Stoops wants a playoff system. Brown is the nice guy. Stoops is the bad guy.
(the other coach is “the bad guy”, yeah, that’s classy)
http://texasbeatoklahoma.com/2008/11/28/mack-browns-classy-move-in-4th-quarter-will-make-or-break-longhorns-bcs-chances/
(note: “title” of the page is “Mack Browns CLASSY move…”)
“I have opined on this site before that Mack’s class, and refusal to run up the score, help us get the kind of high quality kids we want in our program.”
“get a life and stop trashing the only classy program in the big 12. bob stoops is trash and everybody knows it”
→Burnt Orange Nation
http://www.burntorangenation.com/2008/12/29/704622/mack-brown-calls-out-thaye
“Mack Brown is unquestionably a class guy. It is evident in the manner in which he conducts himself on and off the field; and in the way his players relate to him.”
http://www.spursreport.com/forums/386790-post11.html
And comments about Mack’s class only bother other fans for 2 reasons:
#1, Longhorns can’t seem to explain that without explaining how “trashy” or “classless” other coaches/teams are in comparison. (that’s CLASSY)
#2, non-Longhorns DON’T CARE if your coach is classy or not. You don’t want to hear the guy who beat you brag about what a great winner he is and you NEVER want to hear the guy you beat whine about how he’s a better person than you.
I realize you probably threw that together pretty quick...
but I think its possible that you are reading too much into these random blog posts. I don’t recall Mack whining that he is a better person than Tech and/or Leach. I really think you are taking the whole “classy” thing way too seriously.
non-Longhorns DON’T CARE if your coach is classy or not.
Are you sure you don’t care?
I don’t care whether Mack (or Leach) IS classy, I admit I DO care about HEARING about it. Much like when Raiders tell Longhorns we deserve RESPECT, you guys don’t want to hear it. You can’t CLAIM either of these things, they are either there or they aren’t and bringing them to other people’s attention just ticks them off.
i’ve reviewed the BCS system carefully in regards to last season’s choice for the BCS championship game and i’ve found startling video evidence of the conspiracy to keep UT out of the top two, which may or may not make me a “BCS guru”. go ahead and watch it 5 or 6 more times. i did.
ha..
I prefer one that left no BCS controversy in its wake and led to more than 1/3rd of a divisional title.
Jeraco..
you’re a genius. next time somebody complains to me about it, I’ll just let them watch that again. Austin, you seem like a cool guy, and I hope that you really appreciate that you can sometimes come on here and not always get attacked. With that said, any Tech, OU, A&M fan I have seen on burnt orange nation is very quick to get attacked by all kinds of longhorn fans. Not to say it doesn’t happen some here too, but just something to think about.
by redraidercominatya on Feb 27, 2009 5:36 PM CST reply actions
Yeah, that is the nature of all online forums...
But I think the dialogue on the SBNation college football dialogues tends to be at a much higher level than anything else out there (you couldn’t pay me to go to Rivals boards or anything else). Though, I do like to browse Texags for the unintentional comedy…. I think that most visitors to BON, who don’t just go to vent, are usually treated decently though, I know there are some regular Tech fans who chime in and provide good insight (Skin Patrol comes to mind)….
Mack is just politicing early...
for next season. He wants them on his side which is a joke. I hope Tech beats them in September and sends a message.
I think if Tech were to be in the same position, I’d want Leach to push. Maybe more subtly than Mack has done, but I want my coach to be the biggest cheerleaderr for his team out there – without coming across as a politician. Tough to do, I realize.
hit post too soon…
It’s the system we’re forced to play under. Since the bids are only automatic if you win the conference, he’s laying a foundation in case UT doesn’t. It does rub me wrong, but the flip side is he is almost forced to in some ways. Sucks…
polls suck
In a perfect world (ha ha) there would be a playoff. In my opinion, all Div I teams should be in one of 8 (or twelve) conferences and the (imaginary) playoff should be seeded with the conference champions, PERIOD. You don’t win your conference? Too bad. The polls say you’re better than X team, scoreboard says different. And the tie breaker (in the event of a 3-way tie) should be OPPONENT’S combined scores (for the other 2 teams). This would KILL our Raiders this year, but IMO it’s totally fair if you know it up front and removes the “margin of victory” nonsense.
As our own Captain says, if you don’t like us laying points on you, then stop us, the inverse should be true also. If we want to be the top dog, then we should stop people from scoring on us, and the team that does that the best is best.
But as long as the championship game is based on “who voters THINK is best” then it’s all subjective anyway.
What could help even things out a little bit is to hold off on releasing any polls until the fourth week of the season is in the books. Too many teams start of with overinflated rankings and it takes half a season to whittle them down (6 weeks), but by then it’s often too tough for a team who was lower ranked, or unranked, to really make much headway.
I personally don’t have a problem with scoring as much as you can. It’s the other guy’s job to stop you. Now, you can do it in a way that doesn’t give you a black eye (don’t throw a 60 yd bomb with two minutes left in a 45 pt rout, for example). But running it up is RARELY the problem. Getting your a** kicked is.
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