Navigation: Jump to content areas:


Pro Quality. Fan Perspective.
Login-facebook
Around SBN: Explaining Jeremy Lin's Early, Surprising Success

An A-J look at Mike's frustrations with his contract situation.

about 3 years ago Marioche_tiny kayakyakr 41 comments 0 recs  | 

Story-email Email Printer Print

Comments

Display:

Leach

I can’t say that I blame him. Some of that stuff is crazy. First of all why would they fire him ever? Second that buy out clause is way to high, and if a big time program wanted Leach they would pay that easy. Third isn’t that bad, but knowing Tech they would never let him interview. The fourth is stupid, just plain stupid by Techs part. You can never own a person like that and I really think if any of us were put into that we would be miserable. I hope Tech/Leach get this worked out.

by ST04 on Feb 6, 2009 3:01 PM CST reply actions  

having read the article, I think this has been a mess on either side. Leach’s agents are awful for him. They don’t know how to manage their own releases nor can they deal with “non-lawyerin’” folk like Myers and Hance.

On the other hand, Hance and Myers are doing a woeful job in this negotiation, losing every PR battle and putting clauses into Mike’s contract that are completely and understandably unacceptable. To sign the rights to Leach’s name over to TTU is by far the worst, though the “right to fire” clause is also a horrible idea.

I could see something in the contract aimed at preventing Mike’s wandering eye, perhaps a clause asking that he inform the athletic department prior to interviewing or another clause requiring that he make a public statement if he is involved in one of these coaching searches (IE he can’t take his vacation and then come back and no say, “yes, i interviewed or no, I don’t have any interest in this job”).

I really, really, really don’t want to lose Mike Leach. It’d be a massive setback for our program especially if he is chased away by the administration. Quite annoying.

by kayakyakr on Feb 6, 2009 3:09 PM CST reply actions  

I don’t think he’d be chased away at all. They raised the money and added three very reasonable clauses – exceptionally reasonable if Leach was going to commit to Tech. What makes those clauses unreasonable for Leach is that he doesn’t want to commit, but he wants the money. I applaud the Tech negotiators for protecting the investment they would be making. Smart, smart business. I think Tech wins this round of the PR battle.

by Tech92 on Feb 6, 2009 3:12 PM CST up reply actions  

nope they loose big time. The buyout should be at 750,000 and decrease 75,000 every year he stays. The 4th clause is crazy he would be a fool to sign that. Tech is wanting money when his program brings in more money than Tech football has ever made. I don’t think we would have the stadium or facilities if Mike Leach wasn’t the coach, and if Tech continues to dance around this contract he will leave and leave them with that multi-million dollar bill for that stadium too.

by ST04 on Feb 6, 2009 3:15 PM CST up reply actions  

I agree the fourth clause is silly. The others? Not so much.

by Tech92 on Feb 6, 2009 3:18 PM CST up reply actions  

1.5 mil buy out is pretty extreme, if they want to build his trust in the school they should leave it where it is.

by ST04 on Feb 6, 2009 3:23 PM CST up reply actions  

I think the dollar may be high, the concept is not. It’s clear he’s interested in schools with more money. This buyout would not entirely come out of Leach’s pocket, in all likelihood. His new employer would foot a chunk of that bill. RichRod was on the hook for about half of his buyout, I believe. I like your idea of stepping it down for longevity, and there may be a fine print piece in there. We only saw the global issues, not the detail.

by Tech92 on Feb 6, 2009 3:26 PM CST up reply actions  

What about Leach building trust with Tech? Is there any based on his flirtations?

by Tech92 on Feb 6, 2009 3:27 PM CST up reply actions  

He hasn’t left yet. This is America where money talks, if Tech wants him here for a lifetime give him a lifetime deal.

by ST04 on Feb 6, 2009 3:39 PM CST up reply actions  

I don’t think anyone expects him to be here a lifetime. But if we are going to commit the funds, it’s not asking much to have a buyout for when he does decide to leave. I also think asking for permission to interview is not out of the question. The only issue that is consensus is the 4th clause, and I agree that it’s a bad one.

by Tech92 on Feb 6, 2009 3:47 PM CST up reply actions  

I am not against a buyout, but 1.5 is crazy. The permission thing is catch 22, because if he tells them then they can say no.

by ST04 on Feb 6, 2009 4:17 PM CST up reply actions  

The real deal is this…it is simply $300,000 for each year on left on the contract. It’s only $1.5 if he leaves the day after he signs. If he stays for a couple of seasons, it’s not that bad. Is that unreasonable?

by Tech92 on Feb 6, 2009 4:26 PM CST up reply actions  

And the licensing thing is just getting Leach in equal footing with what Curry and Knight have in their agreements. Leach still keeps all the money from outside sources.

by Tech92 on Feb 6, 2009 4:27 PM CST up reply actions  

The ONLY unreasonable thing is number four. The others, well, Leach sort of brought those on himself with his/his agents pandering to so many other openings in the recent past.

He hasn’t earned the right to not have a buyout simply because his wandering eye is so focused. Loyalty begats loyalty and Leach fired the first I’m-Not-Loyal volley with his desire for the Miami job.

I honestly side with Tech much, much more than I did before. And before I was pretty firmly behind them. Leach’s agents tried to do an end run on the negotiation team, got caught and it’s backfired miserably.

by Tech92 on Feb 6, 2009 3:09 PM CST reply actions  

What a screwed up situation—way to put Tech on a high after a great recruiting class and 11-2 season. This makes Tech look unprofessional and not ready to embrace the big stage. The clause 4 is silly and there is much he-said she-said that’s fitting for a soap opera. I fault both sides for airing their dirty laundry and playing amateur hour.

The other thing to note though is where does Leach go in the next few years. If he stays next year, I don’t see an 11-2 season and no big time program will embrace a coach with one great season and a bunch of so-so years. Also, most of the majors jobs seem to be locked up for the next 3-4 years, so he really has no options.

The UW situation was his best shot of leaving Lubbock and they went another direction. If I were Myers, he better have on speed dial some candidates should Leach bolt. I would especially have Art Briles and the UH coach 1and 2.

by WreckerRaider on Feb 6, 2009 3:27 PM CST reply actions  

I would bet the speed dial is full…I don’t see how this makes Tech look bad, fourth clause aside. Is that the major issue most have with the proposal? If it is, that was probably an easy one for them to remove if they really get close to a deal.

There is probably wiggle room in the buyout. But I hope Tech sticks to their guns on asking permission to interview. It’s West Texas honesty they are asking for. Why begrudge the school that?

Leach really doesn’t have a lot of options, you’re right. Tech knows this and is looking to protect a big financial investment. If Leach really wants to be in Lubbock, the buy out and the interview clause shouldn’t bother him much. Meyers would not refuse permission for an interview. He and Hance know Tech would look awful in that scenario.

by Tech92 on Feb 6, 2009 3:32 PM CST up reply actions  

Your dreaming

if you think Art Briles or any other high profile coach would come to Lubbock after the way this contract negotiation has gone. Come to Tech and sign over your rights to the University? Fat chance.

by faunchin on Feb 6, 2009 3:39 PM CST reply actions  

I bet at the end of the day, that clause isn’t part of any deal. Personally, I think it’s in there to piss of Leach and his agents.

by Tech92 on Feb 6, 2009 3:45 PM CST up reply actions  

maybe a Cuban missile crisis approach...

Commies put a base and nukes in Cuba…Kennedy gets mad about nukes…they take em out…Commies still have a base…

taking out the ridiculous fourth clause might be seen as a concession, making the others seem more reasonable

by kevinkinsler on Feb 6, 2009 5:23 PM CST up reply actions  

If I was dreaming, then Urban Meyer or Pete Carroll would be on my speed dial. Briles is a Tech Alum and Sumlin (and Dana Hogerson) wants to get on the big stage…I think it’s possible. By that time, let’s hope Myers is retired and boating off Lake Meredith.

Again, where does Leach go….maybe outta football and teaching Meteorology? This is a fair offer for one who has yet to win a Big 12 Title or beat TX&OU in the same year. I’m a huge Mike Leach fan and I want him here. However, if he does not want to be at Tech, then I wish him the best that makes him happy. Bring someone who wants to be at Texas Tech.

by WreckerRaider on Feb 6, 2009 3:44 PM CST reply actions  

It's bad.

I don’t like any of this. That 4th one in there is definitely a slap in the face, but an intentional one, too, I believe. But, this is bad. Leach could be gone in two years.

Go Tech!!! Strive for Honor Evermore. Long Live the Matadors!!

by jwhitettu on Feb 6, 2009 4:28 PM CST reply actions  

I agree that it’s bad. I also think he’s not here two years, but just one. This is one of those deals where he’ll coach for his players and hope for the best, but he’ll be gone after 2009 if this isn’t worked out nicely for everyone. Even if he does sign, I don’t see him here beyond 2010. It’s gone beyond business and gotten personal, it sounds like.

I’m sure his agents are looking as we speak.

by Tech92 on Feb 6, 2009 4:44 PM CST up reply actions  

You say he will be gone but where?

Who wants someone like Leach? that can put up with his unique personality?

UW didn’t want him…if he leave it will not be for a “bigger school” than Tech and probablly not for more than this contract is offering….

But i agree the terms are ugly, and i think some are just to piss them off aswell

"56,000 screaming crazies in The Jones rockin' as it has never rocked before" - Terry Bowden

If you not having fun....then your not playing the game right.

by texastfan on Feb 6, 2009 5:06 PM CST up reply actions  

If he goes, then I could care less where to. Good jobs open up every off season…

by Tech92 on Feb 6, 2009 5:12 PM CST up reply actions  

I agree with Tech92

Provision 4 is dumb almost any way you slice it. The “fired without cause” thing is bad and I figure that should easily be up for negotiation (I can only assume it’s in there because if we fire him having the money for a replacement is tough).

But the buyout and the “permission” items Mike Leach brought on himself. I think they want to peg the buyout higher to dissuade other schools from being interested to begin with. (better to have schools simply think “we don’t wanna pay that buyout than to need to deal with other issues, and if he does well enough that people will ignore it entirely, then that’s GREAT for the school). The permission issue is dicey and I can see why it would be a problem, but after the UW thing, I totally understand where the school is coming from. If anything, I’d drop the capability to "fire” but instead put in a big monetary penalty.

One more thing regarding the buyout, it says the AVERAGE is around $750k with four schools having no buyout. (OU, UT, KU, KS) That leaves:
Baylor, Texas A&M, OK State, Colorado, Nebraska, Missouri, Iowa State
The schools with “no buyout” makes sense, Snyder is a legacy and really surprised everyone that he even came back to coaching. I love Mike Leach, but he hasn’t earned “equal contract” with Mack Brown or Bob Stoops yet. (I totally think he CAN, I just don’t think he’s there yet) … and seriously, Mangino doesn’t appear to be going anywhere.
So, of the schools that DO have a buyout, I dunno if any are over $1 million, but are any of them a bigger “flight risk” than Leach? And if any are, would you care if you lost them more than it’d bother Tech to lose Leach.

by HeeroTX on Feb 6, 2009 5:09 PM CST reply actions  

His buyout term is WAY misleading. The $1.5mm represents aggregate. The actual term is $300K per year remaing on the deal. That’s a VERY reasonable number for a guy who is getting a pretty nice raise and has shown a propensity to look around. His agents must think Tech and the rest of us are stupid to try and spin it that way.

by Tech92 on Feb 6, 2009 5:11 PM CST up reply actions  

With the year we had, this could have been the start of something special. The sad part is that the fans and players are left cold in the dark because a group of grown men cannot come to an amicable solution. Instead, it became a pissing match. One of them has to go and I mean Leach or Myers. Hopefully it is Myers as I think he’s run off every good coach Tech has ever had in all sports.

Good point by TexasTfan….where is the guy going to go? The top tier programs look solid for years to come.

by WreckerRaider on Feb 6, 2009 5:11 PM CST reply actions  

This is "Tech's best and final offer..."

And it has at least one ridiculous slap-in-the-face clause that makes it hard to believe they are really even trying to negotiate in good faith. It seems to have become personal and probably has been for quite a while. This doesn’t look like it will ever be worked out in any meaningful way until somebody is gone.
Personally, I vote for Gerald Myers.

by Houston Raider on Feb 6, 2009 6:13 PM CST reply actions  

WWWOOOOWWWWW

this is very embarassing to read and I cant believe Leach and his agents are being so immature about this contract. It seems more than fair to me, and while I love coach Leach, I wish that he was more loyal and am going to begin to accept that he may be gone very soon. The 4th clause is the only unreasonable one, though I’m not sure I fully understand how the other three operate. I agree with what many have said that leach did some of this to himself by always interviewing and denying that he is doing so. I really hope they can all agree on something and maybe somehow find a way to respect each other and get along, because the fact that just about anyone who wants to read these e-mails can is very embarassing and makes our school and our coach look bad. Also, the fact that Leach and his agents seem to think they are the shit now after one good year really upsets me. What happens if Tech goes 7-5 next year and loses their bowl game?? Is it likely? No. It is possible? Very. We could easily lose to OU, UT, OSU, NU, and UH who is a very good team with a great offense that has a lot of talent coming back next year, and its a road game that they will be pumped for. Tech basically gets SCREWED out of it;s investment if he has another average year next year. In my opinion, Leach and his agents are trying to discuss these contract negotiations as if they have routinely had 11 win seasons, when in reality this is the FIRST one. I think Leach is a good fit for Tech, but if this doesn’t get fixed soon I think he needs to go. This may set the football program back a bit, but Texas Tech University does not need this kind of drama, nor does it need to be controlled and operated by the damn football coach!

by techtom4 on Feb 6, 2009 7:28 PM CST reply actions  

To me, it's fairly simple...

In 2008, Mike Leach’s compensation package was 6th highest in the Big XII.
Was his performance 6th best in the league?
Do we expect his performance to be 6th best in the league?
Do we think the program he has built over 9 years is about 6th best in the league?
If so, let’s just jack him around with the contract and sit back contently in the middle of the Big XII.
In fact, we really don’t need to worry about getting the extension done, because we can probably find several other coaches who are capable of keeping us in the middle of the pack in the Big XII.

by Houston Raider on Feb 6, 2009 8:10 PM CST reply actions  

Leach has Tech third or fourth best in the conference as of this year. But the two or three in front have BCS games under their belt…division championships…conference championships…national championships…

Where do you think we finish next year? Possibly fourth in the division, let alone the conference. Do we adjust his pay each year? No, and I don’t imply you think that either.

I agree we need to pay the guy. And this contract does that quite nicely. By the same token, I don’t think he deserves to be one of the top two highest paid guys in the conference. I think Tech is being smart by protecting their interests by inserting a few clauses that make it a bit tougher to leave.

by Tech92 on Feb 6, 2009 8:44 PM CST reply actions  

My take

I can appreciate that Hance would like to negotiate with Leach directly; however, I am sure that part of the agreement to be represented by an agent is that the agent must represent him or he pays a penalty. Now the entire lot of them are acting like toddlers and want to take their ball and go home. Obviously, it is Leach’s decision whether or not to sign the contract, but at least 2 of the 4 items I think are out of line on Tech’s behalf.

  1. Reducing the guaranteed income due Leach should Tech fire the coach without cause.

If some one better comes along, we can can you. There’s a trust builder. Why would you do this except to say we’re looking for someone better. Hope you find a new job first because if you don’t you’re going to wind up doing bad commentary late night for ESPN. Any reduction from the current contract is dumb, and that is what this is.

  1. Increasing the buyout clause

I don’t find this that unreasonable. In a way it says we want you here and we want to make sure you don’t leave. Like Tech92, I don’t thing the terms are that bad either. If he says just 1 more year beyond his current obligation, the amount is the basically the same or less.

  1. Asking permission to interview

This one I also find a little incredulous. I could understand a requirement to notify Tech if he is interviewing. But to have to be granted permission is crazy. How many people would ask their current boss permission to interview for a new job? I could understand a provision that would not allow him to leave directly to coach within the Big XII, but that is unlikely anyway.

  1. Rights to pimp the Leach brand.

I think this boils down to making Mike earn a little more of the guaranteed supplemental income on his own instead of making Tech foot the entire bill. Last year, he only accounted for $10K on his own out of the total amount guaranteed him. Not exactly putting forth the greatest effort there, Captain. There is nothing in the clause that says he has to speak at every rotary club engagement in Shallowater. Whether it is on Leach or his agents for not booking any decent gigs, that amount is peanuts and pretty much a slap in the face to Tech, and I can see where it would put them in a financial bind of having to pay his contract versus do other things. Even if he just wears the O’Reilly logo on his shirt and lends his mug for a local billboard, at least that is something. Not an unreasonable request. Though it could be reworded such that he is responsible for earning at least a certain percentage of his guaranteed base through speaking engagements, endorsements, etc. Leach still gets al of the money he makes from the gigs. With a little effort, he might actually make some extra.

Ther you have it. IMO, #2 and #4, not such a bad deal. #1 and #3 definitely need some work.

by NM99 on Feb 6, 2009 10:04 PM CST reply actions  

OK, somehow the formatting went and auto-numbered on me. They are in order. You get the point.

by NM99 on Feb 6, 2009 10:05 PM CST up reply actions  

Panties in a wad.

This is all part of the negotiation process.

Like watching Big Horn Sheep fight during the rut, lots of head butting, snot, piss and dirt flying everywhere.
In the end the big ram wins; but the defeated ram stays with the heard because BHS do not have a do not have a strict dominance hierarchy. The defeated Ram still gets all the women and food he wants along with the protection of the heard.
All that head butting, snot, piss and dirt flying was to impress a few women and and establish respect.

TECH ( the Pres, Regents, and AD) is the big ram, they need a win here to “show” that they are the boss, that the power given to them by even bigger Rams is well placed. Leach needs to let them have this “victory” with a little give and take on these four items.
He will still come out fine because he gets the money, and the program that he has built.

 Now if he was coaching at A&M he would also get all the ewes he wanted.

VIVA LA FIGA!

by bmaxw on Feb 6, 2009 10:12 PM CST reply actions  

just get it done

Tech 92 has already said anything I would add. I have total faith in Hance.

by tech 77 on Feb 7, 2009 7:47 AM CST reply actions  

Whom do we hire at this point?

It looks like this impasse is unlikely to resolve soon. We have a great recruiting class and need someone to guide these recruits to another successful season. I agree with everyone that the 4th clause is silly, but I agree with Tech92 others are not that unreasonable. Because if we have to give Leach that much money (Leach has a proven track record of not being able to win a BigXII south outright let alone the Big XII conference), we might also look around and keep our options open at this point. This is good money and we can actually get a pretty darn good coach with money like that. At the same time I am not super excited about Art Briles or Dana

by jef on Feb 8, 2009 8:34 AM CST reply actions  

Comments For This Post Are Closed


User Tools

Welcome to the SB Nation blog about the Texas Tech Red Raiders.

Site Editor

Uniwatch_sethc_jersey_small Seth C

Contributing Authors

Doubletface_cropped_small djollie111

Marioche_small kayakyakr

Bossfight_small Skin Patrol

444_small Tech92

Will_rogers_small NM99

Texaslondon_small LondonRaider

150px-redraiderlogo_small DanSwany

100_0016_small RndRckTTU