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Kyle Gets Contrary on the Captain

Esteemed Georgia blogger Kyle T. King details why he's not fond of Mike Leach and although I can't make anyone like anyone else, perhaps I can provide some insight. I think the premise of King's article is that Leach hasn't done much to be able to criticize other coaches and his tantrums are misplaced.

  1. Winning at Texas Tech: I think some time next year Mike Leach will become the winningest coach in Texas Tech history. I know that sounds like an awfully low bar and it doesn't seem as if Leach has been at Texas Tech long enough to be in that position, but that's the position he's in. For one, it demonstrates the relatively lack of football success at Texas Tech and, second, it demonstrates Leach's coaching ability.

    It's hard to quantify the talent gap between Texas and OU and Texas Tech. If you want to look at players in the NFL or recruit rankings or whatever, Texas Tech is usually 4th or 5th in the conference. Leach does more with less than any other coach in America.

    I would welcome Kyle to drive to Lubbock with me from Dallas on any given weekend that I can make it out to a game. I can guarantee you that by the end of the process he and I will be either very good friends or bitter enemies (hopefully the former). Six hours there and six hours back with little to no scenery. I know it seems completely foreign to most, but the fact that Leach has been able to build a winner in Lubbock is nothing to take for granted. I've said it before, and I'll say it again. I love Lubbock. Going to school at Texas Tech was the best thing that ever happened to me, but the difference between Lubbock and Austin is that you've got to really want to be in Lubbock. It is not an easy destination.

    I wrote earlier this week the following:

    College coaches are paid to do two things, win games and graduate players. I'll let you decide the order, but right now, Leach does both. The fact that none of his quarterbacks have stuck on an NFL roster isn't indicative of his success at Texas Tech or his success at producing successful collegiate quarterbacks. Thus far, I think Leach has hit on almost all of his starting quarterbacks, and as of right now, he probably has a better track record than most NFL teams at developing quarterbacks.

    Complain about Leach all you want, but he has the highest public university graduation rate among football players in the NCAA. I think the fact that he has accomplished both goals says something about what he is as a coach.

    To say that Texas Tech has to beat UT and OU before talking. Okay, just give us a little more time. I don't think that Texas Tech will ever have the funding, the stadium or resources that either of those programs ever have. Leach is 2-2 against both of those programs in the last two years. Give him time.

  2. Defending His Players: Comments started being made that Cleveland Browns head coach felt that Michael Crabtree was a diva during his visit. Rumors started flying and Leach had two options at that point. Leach could have kept his mouth shut, or he could have defended his player. Leach decided to defend his player. I get that he may have gone a bit overboard, but that's what you get with Leach. No filter. You get the good and the bad. Leach did lash out and there are Texas Tech fans that would prefer that he not do this, but you don't get that option with Leach. We've discussed this on DTN and I fall on the side that I'd rather have a coach absolutely defend his players, whether it be Michael Crabtree, Graham Harrell or Brandon Willliams than sit back on the sideline and let his players get beat up in the press.
  3. Leach vs. Sherman: This has obviously spiraled out of control. I think at this point, it would be best if every one just let it go, but up until today, neither party wanted to let the other have the last word. When Leach commented about TAMU's Stephen McGee, I don't think he was talking about Sherman I think he was either talking about Dennis Franchione and/or NFL scouts in general. Franchione: If McGee was an outstanding quarterback, then why didn't they utilize his talents other than as an option quarterback. NFL Scouts: All they every look at is measurables rather than results. I hate the fact that McGee has been dragged into this verbal spat, but the truth of the matter is that Leach again defended his player in Harrell, but he also opined on McGee, but I think he had the NFL and Fran in his sights.
  4. System vs. Measurables: From the same piece I wrote linked above:
    . . . The reason why Graham Harrell didn't get drafted is because, for whatever reason, the NFL scouts didn't like his measurables, whatever that is. If Matt Stafford had gone to Texas Tech rather than Georgia, there's no doubt in my mind that he still would have been picked #1 overall, despite the fact that he ran the spread offense. I have no idea if and when a Texas Tech quarterback gets drafted, possibly ever. If there was ever an instance where it might happen, it's going to be the next two year. The NFL is going to have a 6-4/220 quarterback with a strong arm in Taylor Potts. If there's ever a chance to get a guy in the NFL, it's Potts.

    I would like to stress that just because Leach hasn't produced NFL success doesn't mean that he's not successful. Typically, Texas Tech doesn't get the guys with measurables, but that sure as hell doesn't mean that whoever he recruits can't play quarterback. I don't know that Seth Doege or Jacob Karam or Scotty Young will ever be drafted, hell I have no idea if they'll even been successful college quarterbacks. What I can say is that Leach has shown a propensity to make seemingly lowly rated quarterback prospects into collegiate winners. I have idea as to the star rating for guys like Kingsbury, Cumbie, Symons, or Hodges, but I don't think that it's so crazy to think that these guys weren't going to stick on an NFL roster.

    Snip

    It seems as if the elite programs typically get quarterbacks with those measurables, but that doesn't mean that there aren't guys who are 6-0 or 6-2 that maybe weigh 190 with pretty good arms and an extreme ability to quckly read a defense can't or shouldn't play college football.

    Ask any Missouri or Kansas fan if they would trade Chase Daniel or Todd Reesing for Kansas State's Josh Freeman (apologies to BOTC).

  5. I think most of us realize, and trust me when I say that there are plenty of Texas Tech fans that have a similar love/hate relationship with Leach.  King is not alone in his stance, I can assure him of that, but he's damned good at what he does

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I’m sure why as a first year Coach @ ATM isSherman getting so bent out of shape because he didn’t recruit McGee and maybe it is because Sherman coming from a NFL background knows that at the end of the day, Leach is totally correct about performance and measurables. Last I checked the NFL is all about one thing winning. And last I checked Harrell has been a statistical and Game winner in High School and College. Let’s see McGee record in 4 tries against TTech: 0-4 and Harrell’s against ATM 4-1 and he didn’t even play in the loss( since he was a redshirt). So what was McGee’s record against UT/OU in just the last 2 yrs? Let’s see again, McGee 1-3 and Harrell 2-2. Again Harrell will make a team in the NFL. Will he be a superstar, probably not but he as Seth stated earlier, TTech and especially Leach has done more with less in all of it’s 84 yrs of football. Again the bottom line, I hated how December ‘08 went but I hope and pray that we have hit “the tipping point” and we will be considered to be a top 15 program year end and year out. And last I checked, ATM has a ways to go to catch up and in fact Baylor is even or a little ahead right now!!!!! Wreck’em Tech!

by techgolf44 on May 1, 2009 8:53 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

“I’m sure why as a first year Coach @ ATM is Sherman getting so bent out of shape because he didn’t recruit McGee . . . "

He’s just doing the same thing Leach is; defending a former player from what he sees, and I think incorrectly, as an attack on McGee.

We can debate over and over which interpretation of Leach’s words are correct, but at the end of the day, both coaches are simply trying to defend their former players and their current programs.

by Chad_ on May 1, 2009 3:59 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

The NFL

is moving towards the spread offense, just as the NCAA has in the past decade. If there anyone reading this blog that believes Harrell wouldn’t be successful in the Patriot’s offense, please fill me as to why? I back coach Leach 100% for responding to all the negative chatter about Texas Tech players and Leach’s spread offense. No way, no way should Leach remain silent or hold back from responding to the inane comments emanating from sport media’s talking bobble heads. Just a system offense, just a system quarterback, it’s an intentional putdown of Texas Tech, Coach Leach and all Tech players. They can’t give credit where credit is due, and never will until Texas Tech wins the Big XII. I don’t find Coach Leach’s comments out of line or improper at all.

by faunchin on May 1, 2009 9:51 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

No apologies necessary to BOTC

Freeman was a talented player, a nice young man, and a good representative of our university, but I will always trade successful, undrafted players for players whose teams don’t win much but still get drafted. As Pan wrote earlier this week, it was time to move on. We would like to have seen what Josh could have done with good coaching, but we wish him the best in the NFL.

We'll carry the banner high!
Bring On The Cats

by TB on May 1, 2009 10:14 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

OK. I read the King thing.

Everyone in America not associated with Texas Tech that reads that blog probably agree for the most part. We Tech fans have a much closer and better focused view of Coach Mike Leach, the spread-nay, Air Raid-offense, Lubbock and Texas Tech (re:us). The most vehement statements against us come from Austin and Bryan-College Station. King, I think, has been swayed considerably by the media’s remarks concerning us. We know there are no other major colleges within about 300 miles in any direction of Lubbock & Tech. So, we know we are kind of isolated. We also know that most supposedly upper-tier football teams are beneficiaries of at least double (ten times in UT’s case) the available monetary resources than that of Tech. You are so kind towards Mr. King, but I despise his and others’ retortful remarks towards us. Mike Leach has become a more complete head coach, especially over the last few years, and will continue to improve. So will Tech football.

TTpilk

by TTpilk645 on May 1, 2009 12:14 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

From what I’ve seen, the educated college football fan either loves or hates mike with a ratio of about 65% loves and 35% hates. The hates are a bit higher than what I’ve observed because my multi-school experience averages out to be a younger crowd than the world at large and I’m guessing that while a lot of young people find Mike’s antics to be awesome (or simply love the forward thinking offense), a lot of older people would be less amused. Oddly, most of the vitriol against Mike comes from fans of Big Ten schools.

Keep in mind this is all just guesstimation.

The uneducated football fan probably either a) doesn’t know about Mike, b) doesn’t like Mike because he’s the coach for an opposing school, or c) likes Mike because they heard about this awesome offense and also a 60 minutes segment and New York times article. I can’t make a guess as to what the percentage i with that because I don’t talk about football with uneducated fans.

(Uneducated in this case refers to those fans who enjoy college football but don’t follow it and/or wouldn’t post on a blog or message board about said college football.)

by kayakyakr on May 1, 2009 1:04 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I agree with you on the age difference thing…as a guy over 40 (by the skin of my false teeth), I don’t like the idea of disrespecting someone for the sole reason of disrespecting them; regardless of who it is. I think a lot of what went on this week fits in that category – unless someone knows what Leach is up to and he has a reason…so far, if that’s the case, it isn’t public. But I’m willing to listen if there is one.

I think some of the younger guys out there probably aren’t as sensitive to this…their parents may not have been as strict with the respect thing, who knows. That, or the sassy attitude Leach has sometimes is how the younger folks tend to be…and in my professional life, I’ve sadly found that to be more rule than exception with people under 30. No offense to all you future leaders of industry : )

I would say that I’d bet if ESPN did a poll, the favorable results would probably he higher than 65%. The public at large seems pretty fascinated with this guy and his unique, some would say refreshing, personality.

by Tech92 on May 1, 2009 2:50 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

It’s growning up on the Internet. It’s trained us to be assholes and that has effected our senses of humor. There are a few of my friends that I can’t stand to be around because they take the internet troll mindset into real life. Sadly, I’ve found myself with that as well.

by kayakyakr on May 1, 2009 3:57 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Interesting. Never thought of that, but it makes complete sense. I think we all tend to hide behing the anonymity the internet provides from time to time. Especially when calling out someone on a personal level. I never see it in real life (the calling out bit), but I do see a bit of arrogance/disrespectfulness from young people that is a little time/place inappropriate.

We’ve fired a three extremely bright recent grads since 2007 who just didn’t get it. One guy’s dad called us the next day demanding an explanation. I told him his son had the work ethic of a newt and the attitude of Bill Maher. Bad mix. Then I asked him why he thought his call would help his kid. He hung up on me. Hard lessons to learn, eh? : )

The flip side is we’ve also hired some fantastic kids who are energetic, want to be great at what they do, have cool ideas (that we usually can’t use), and are coachable. So all is not lost. I think a massive part of that is parenting…but I’m old skool.

by Tech92 on May 1, 2009 4:59 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I have no issue.....

with what Mike is doing. I HATE generic answers and conversations, the reason why I enjoyed Don Nelson so much. Life is short…..tell me how you REALLY feel. We all know people in our lives who have no filter, you either love them or hat them….I appreciate the fact that you know where you stand.
Mike is being overly protective of what he has built…..I wouldn’t have it any other way. Keep your Politician Mac Brown, your stewing Stoops and by all means your stoic (and generic) Sherman. I have read that Mike shouldn’t go on the offensive like this due to the fact that he will be able to recruit a serviceable QB regardless…..that is not good enough for him. Don’t you think our competitors are going to say that Harrell was a 4 star recruit that would have made it to the NFL if he wasn’t in a spread/system offense? Hell yes is the answer.
I am over 40 and don’t see Leach’s attitude tied into the attitiude of those under 30. His ‘attitude’ comes from knowing that he is damn good at what he does, and he doesn’t require playing the normal political game. 18 months ago, I made a move form a 10,000 person corporation to a 15 person company……not playing the political game is freeing and I am 10 X less likely to have an ulcer.
Hey Mike (that is a Ticket drop)…..stay hard.

by oldschoolraider on May 1, 2009 5:26 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Problem is, nobody is attacking what Mike built. What he’s done at Tech has nothing to do with Dallas taking McGee or his comments about playing aTm.

Defending Crabtree is one thing. No issue with that. The rest of it was just childish and petulant.

by Tech92 on May 1, 2009 8:43 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Oh, i wasn’t tying it in to the attitude of those under 30, I was pointing out that the youthful generation is more likely to find humor in sarcastic, disparaging comments. I’m not saying that you don’t, just that it’s much more likely in those closer to college age.

by kayakyakr on May 1, 2009 11:51 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

“relatively lack of football success..”

I think Leach can withstand the slings and arrows of an illiterate from Georgia.

by mbrown603 on May 1, 2009 1:01 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Thanks for the endorsement, Skin Patrol

In my defense, mbrown603, the minor typographical error you quoted was Seth’s rather than mine.

The accidental inclusion of two superfluous letters notwithstanding, Seth’s response was cogent and measured. As a lifelong fan of a team whose quarterbacks (pre-Matthew Stafford) frequently have been fine college signal-callers but seldom have been serious N.F.L. prospects, I find particularly persuasive Seth’s point about Josh Freeman and the unwillingness of other Big 12 teams to trade their quarterbacks for him. That was a good point.

Seth, you represent your school and your coach with passion and class, and I thank you for offering a response and for keeping the exchange at a high level. While I am not as enamored with Coach Leach as many in the blogosphere are, I wish the Red Raiders well and I belatedly congratulate Texas Tech on having a much better season in 2008 than my team had.

Go 'Dawgs!

by T Kyle King on May 2, 2009 9:16 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I responded as well.

Though I just as well could have said “I agree entirely with Seth.”

I would note that nowhere in the post is anything that Leach has said specifically criticized, rather it is more concerned with Leach’s delivery and candor.

I suspect that if we scheduled a more difficult OOC schedule that T Kyle King would come around on the good Captain.

Go register. Or else.

by Skin Patrol on May 1, 2009 5:30 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Seth wrote:

“Winning at Texas Tech: I think some time next year Mike Leach will become the winningest coach in Texas Tech history. I know that sounds like an awfully low bar and it doesn’t seem as if Leach has been at Texas Tech long enough to be in that position, but that’s the position he’s in. For one, it demonstrates the relatively lack of football success at Texas Tech and, second, it demonstrates Leach’s coaching ability.”

Texas Tech has been coached by some really good and successful football coaches in the past. Most, however, never remained long enough to build on their win total before moving on to a “more elite” program, Jerry Sloan, Jim Carlen to name a couple. Thus, the “low bar”.

Therefore, it is not a stretch to see the Cap’n closing in on the most wins at Tech. Hopefully, he will get there without any losses to slow him down this year. Also, in its early years, Tech had a number of great seasons, albeit against lesser competition than they now face overall.

Adding to my previous statement about the Cap’n. I am over 60 and appreciate his candor. Does he go a bit too far. Maybe. But, he is so refreshing in such an often stale profession and I do enjoy him and his quirkiness.

TTpilk

by TTpilk645 on May 1, 2009 10:25 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

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