BIG 12 W/L records since 2000
by txt3ch6uy on Jun 15, 2009 10:58 AM CDT
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Alright, told some guy from A&M i would do this... hint, hint 12th man. Not going too much into an introduction, just read:
Baylor
14% winning percentage against BCS teams
73% winning percentage against N-BCS teams
29% total winning percentage
Colorado
44% winning percentage against BCS teams
72% winning percentage against N-BCS teams
48.7% total winning percentage
Iowa St.
35% winning percentage against BCS teams
73% winning percentage against N-BCS teams
44% total winning percentage
Kansas
39% winning percentage against BCS teams
90.6% winning percentage against N-BCS teams
50% total winning percentage
Kansas St.
47.7% winning percentage against BCS teams
89% winning percentage against N-BCS teams
57.5% total winning percentage
Nebraska
56.7% winning percentage against BCS teams
95.7% winning percentage against N-BCS teams
64.6% total winning percentage
Missouri
49.4% winning percentage against BCS teams
79% winning percentage against N-BCS teams
56% total winning percentage
Oklahoma
83% winning percentage against BCS teams
90.5% winning percentage against N-BCS teams
84.3% total winning percentage
Oklahoma St.
41% winning percentage against BCS teams
83% winning percentage against N-BCS teams
52% total winning percentage
Texas
80.7% winning percentage against BCS teams
100% winning percentage against N-BCS teams
85% total winning percentage
Texas A&M
41.7% winning percentage against BCS teams
88% winning percentage against N-BCS teams
52.3% total winning percentage
Texas Tech
57% winning percentage against BCS teams
90% winning percentage against N-BCS teams
66% total winning percentage
BIG 12 Average percentage against BCS teams= 49%
BIG 12 Average percentage against N-BCS teams= 85%
BIG 12 Average total winning percentage = 57.4%
All teams are over 70% winning over N-BCS teams; UT, NU, KU, OU, and TT are 90% or better. BU (73%), CU (72%), ISU (73%), MU (79%), and OSU (83%) fall under the average percentage.
KU (32) and TT (31) have over 30 games against N-BCS teams; OSU (29), KSU (27), ISU (26), BU (26), and TAMU (25) have had 25 to 29 total N-BCS games since 2000.
Only 2 teams are 80% or better against BCS teams (OU and UT). Other than Longhorns and Sooners, only 2 others over 55% against BCS teams (TT-57% and NU-56.7%), whom are over the average percentage. Next closest is MU at 49.4%.
OU (100) leads BIG 12 in total games against BCS opponents followed by CU (95), NU (90), UT (88), MU (87), KSU (86), TT (85), TAMU (84), OSU (83), ISU (83), KU (82), BU (78).
Only 2 teams are over 80% against ALL opponents (OU and UT). Other than Longhorns and Sooners, only TT is over 65% against ALL opponents (NU is at 64.6%), whom are over the average winning percentage. Next Closest is KSU at 57.5%
Revision:
Ok, apologies for just leaving like that. Had a few things to take care of throughout the day, so had to keep it short and sweet. This only tells little of how TT has improved over the past few seasons, mainly 2004 onward. In that time period, Texas Tech's numbers have improved against BCS members along with overall winning percentage. Since 2004, the Red Raiders have a 64% winning percentage against BCS members and have a strong 71.4% total winning percentage. Only two teams are above TT and you should all know who those teams are. Yes, OU and UT both are over 80% in all categories.
Still, winning 64% (over BCS opponents) compared to the beginning of the decade shows just how much TT has improved since Leach has been able to mold with the Red Raiders. Mizzou is another team on the rise and should be taken seriously. Since 2004, they have improved to 59% winnings over BCS opponents 85.7% over Non-BCS teams and 65% total winning percentage. That ranks them 4th in the BIG 12 behind the Red Raiders.
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I saw Beergut's posts earlier...
You pretty much showed him up here. He won’t have anything to say to that. Wait, yes he will. He will most likely banter about how the Aggs have a NC and we don’t and how great Aggy football used to be and how we’re just a trend. Then we’ll demolish them in LBK again.
Great stuff!!!
My only criticism is that you don’t tell us where you got the information. Some references would be nice. Berrgut The pessimists among us might want to check your facts.
Excellent Work!!
By the way if you crunch the numbers from 2000-2004 and then from 2005-2009, you see a big improvement by Tech which shows that program has improved throughout the course of the decade. The same can be seen with Missouri and Kansas. Interestingly, UT has been the most consistent at maintaining its standard of excellence, while OU has slipped a little bit. aTm by the way, has been consistently mediocre throughout the decade based on the same measurements.
yeah I should have...
posted some of the websites I got all this information on. I used alot of thought process by using a couple of websites. Just went season by season using both of these websites…
http://cfreference.net/cfr/cfr.s
http://www.cfbdatawarehouse.com/index.php
Both are pretty good websites and if you go and compare to “legitimate” ones, there is NO difference whatsoever.
As for the ND issue, considering they are IND… they fit in the same category as Navy and Army along with NON-BCS teams. If a team ranks in the top 12 (NOW top 8 for ND) and is a legitimate BCS buster team, simply put they attend a BCS game.
The BCS has plenty of flaws in it, but hey every AD or President of their institution has agreed with the system. Cant argue about the fact that ND schedules one of the toughest schedules season after season.
Anyhow, thats another story… my bad.
ND
Not trying to flame or anything, but I was under the impression that ND was a part of the BCS. Obviously, they aren’t in a conference and are “independent,” but I thought I always read things like “BCS + ND.” Apologies if my information is incorrect.
your argument about Notre Dame would hold water
if Army and Navy were also part of the BCS at its inception in 1998. They were not, so comparing Notre Dame to Army or Navy is ludicrous.
to stomp this...
into the ground. Here is an article by ESPN… probably the most legitimate College Football source around. Read the article, then go to….
Indies & Non-BCS top 10 players of BCS era… ND’s Brady Quinn is at #6.
Indies & Non-BCS top 10 games of BCS era… USC 34, ND 31 comes in at #2; Navy 46, ND 44 (3OT) comes in at #4.
Um
you do realize that Notre Dame is included on those lists b/c they are an Independent, right?
The 2002 team they referenced qualified for the BCS b/c they won 10 games in the regular season, meeting the 9 game threshold. That article pretty much proved my point, that Notre Dame IS a BCS team.
AGG...
this is starting to get a little annoying… I stated on the other post… YOU want to consider that team a BCS team for those particular years, go on ahead. It is still going to show you guys were 1-1 in the 2000 and 01 season. It still does not change the fact that A&M has had 3 losing seasons this decade, has not been competing well in the BIG 12, no matter what type of recruits A&M has been getting since the inception of the BIG 12, the coaching staff has still not been able to produce their best efforts in the game of college football. Oh and to redo the numbers just for you BEERGUT….
TAMU:
has a 41.2% winning percentage against BCS teams… a .5% decrease from the previous.
has a 91.7% winning percentage against NBCS teams… a 3.7% increase from the previous.
In saying all that, your team still has the same amount of wins against both BCS and NBCS teams.
Its still a 52.3% total winning percentage this decade. The only major change is that due to ND actually qualifying for a BCS Bowl game in 2000, some TAMU fans/supporters may want to argue that they were a legitimate BCS team, so TAMU has competed against 85 BCS teams and 24 NBCS teams… actually placing them with the same amount of NBCS teams UT has competed with in the 2000 decade.
HIP HIP HOORAY!!!!!
if you want to talk about the Big 12 since 2000
no, we haven’t done well. 3 losing seasons in the past 6 years is especially pathetic, but this is what we get for hiring a moron like Dennis Franchione to coach our team.
However, saying we haven’t done anything since the inception of the Big 12 in football is inaccurate. We have two South division titles, and one conference championship. That means even with the pathetic results we have put out this decade, we still have more division titles than Tech, if you want to call the three-way tie that resulted in Tech not being invited to the Big 12 Championship Game a division title.
As for Notre Dame, I wasn’t arguing about their presence as a BCS team b/c it would somehow change our stats, I was pointing out that Notre Dame is a BCS team b/c to say otherwise is stupid.
I’ve asked several other football fans if Notre Dame is a BCS team, given their inclusion in the BCS, and they all say yes. You’re the only person I know who seems to think that the recent rule change that they need to be in the top 8 somehow makes them a non-BCS team.
As for 97 and 98...
Were those not the seasons UT and OU were down? Yeah im pretty they were.
Lets see, TT beats TAMU in 97 and has one less conference loss than the Red Raiders. Keep in mind, Tech loses against loses against a 1 loss KSU team by a score of 13-2… defensive battle. TAMU loses against the same KSU team 36-17. Tech that season has an undefeated NU team, a 1 loss KSU team and the Divisional Champs… TAMU, and TT goes 1-2 in those. TAMU on the other hand have a KSU team and TT… whom they lose both games to, then go and get blown the F##k out by NU in the CCG. TAMU wins the division by a crappy schedule… luck of the draw, bummer for TT right? LOL. Oh yeah, both UT and OU this season… 2-6 in conference play.
In 98, you guys have an actual good season. Not going to mess with that. Gotta give you props, but will say, barely edging out TT in CS gave you guys the thumbs up, because TT beat UT that season… UT beat TAMU though.
As for TT last season… dont mess with that. A&M could not beat either one, so how about keep that trap shut. Its a divisional title… all 3 were good enough to beat the conference teams on their schedule but not good enough to beat one another.
The problem with saying, Well, texas and OU were down those years
is that is like me saying, well, OU has only done well since 2000 b/c A&M has been down. That is a completely asinine argument.
I can’t believe you’re going to go back and try to rationalize Tech’s losses from those years. Typical Red Raider.
Typical Agg...
to bring up stuff from past seasons then go and jump someone bringing up old losses. There is nothing that can be done from those losses, so be it. Just trying to show you that the teams that TT lost to were the SAME ones A&M lost to… difference is this… TT beat A&M that season.
Stop getting offensive 12th man… chill.
As for TT last season… dont mess with that. A&M could not beat either one, so how about keep that trap shut. Its a divisional title… all 3 were good enough to beat the conference teams on their schedule but not good enough to beat one another.
Y’all were good enough to finish third in the tie-breaker, though. I guess that is somethng to be proud of.
Ever wonder why it is that when Tech has what is considered a fantastic season for them, it is always due to a tie? 1994, 5-way tie for the SWC in a year A&M was undefeated in conference play, 2008, three-way tie for divisional title and third in the tie-breaker?
Each with 1 loss...
in the regular season is tied for the divisional title. 3rd in the tie-breaker UNDER BCS RULES.
Still shows a tie for 1st place within the conference.
Why do you got soooo much hate for TT 12th man?? Take a chill pill and move onto another topic. TT is a rising program… has been since ’86. There is sooo much fans and supporters love about this university and there is nothing others can say or do to make them think otherwise.
TT being bowl eligible 16 straight seasons. Have been bowl eligible 20 of the past 23 seasons. Have been to a bowl game 9 straight seasons, compiling a 5-4 record. They are only ranked behind FSU (32), UF (21), and VT (16) for consecutive winning seasons at 15. Texas Tech had 79% of its players graduate, setting it atop of the BIG 12. I can go and on about this, but how about go and just read it yourself.
Dont know exactly what it is with your problem on TT, but how about give credit where credit is due. If I am correct, TT is tied for 15th overall of the 119 FBS teams in games won with 76 total. I may be off by 1 on rankings, but it is in the top 20. Just move onto another topic, this is getting ridiculous.
My last post on this and any other arguments we have occurred in this an other posts. You seem the type that likes to prove you are right at all times… so hey your RIGHT.
One more thing...
Read, reread and read again the article. There is nothing in there that states ND IS a BCS team. They are looked at with heavy consideration if the finish in the top 12 and are GUARANTEED a spot if they finish in the top 8. They are NOT a BCS team… yes they are looked at with heavy regard through the eyes of the BCS, but are NOT a BCS team year in year out.
There are “special rights” given to Notre Dame due to the teams they schedule throughout the season and their traditions. Lets take for instance, the Baylor Bears… they have not yet shown that they are a legitimate BCS team, yet they are in a BCS conference therefore they are a BCS team… year in year out.
How about lets get past this before you go and hurt your head.
lol..I fear it may be too late...way too late;)
Maybe he is here cause there is nothing to get the folks at the 12th man excited about;(
As much as I feel odd defending Beergut
You are just arguing symantics.
You think that BCS team means any team in a BCS conference.
He thinks that BCS team means any team who can win an automatic BCS bowl berth.
One definition excludes Notre Dame, the other includes ND. It’s not like there is a document that defines “BCS team.” There is only the BCS agreement that all of the BCS conferences and Notre Dame signed agreeing how they would split up the automatic BCS bowl berths.
do you realize how stupid you sound saying Notre Dame isn't a BCS team?
Notre Dame is PAID every year by the BCS, regardless of whether or not they participate in a BCS bowl game.
actually
There are "special rights" given to Notre Dame due to the teams they schedule throughout the season
Notre Dame’s inclusion in the BCS doesn’t have a damn thing to do with their schedule. It has everything to do with money, and the fact that they can bring a sellout pretty much wherever they play.
you do realize....
being paid by the BCS no matter if participating or not, is one of those “special rights?” Dont hurt yourself too much. Atleast we can agree to disagree right? Haaaa
ND is different because they get a vote at the BCS table & more money
ND gets a seat at the table when the BCS conferences meet. In addition, they get millions of dollars from the BCS even when they don’t make it to a BCS game.
And they get special priviledges
They’re automatically in if they rank #8 or better. Something which may not be true of a second place finisher in the Big 12
The other Non-BCS teams...
get a seat as well. Its not only ND…
BCS Governance
The BCS is managed by the commissioners of the 11 NCAA Division I-A conferences, the director of athletics at the University of Notre Dame, and representatives of the bowl organizations. The conferences are Atlantic Coast, Big East, Big Ten, Big 12, Conference USA, Mid-American, Mountain West, Sun Belt, Pacific 10, Southeastern and Western Athletic.
The conference commissioners and the Notre Dame athletics director make decisions regarding all BCS issues, in consultation with an athletics directors advisory group and subject to the approval of a presidential oversight committee whose members represent all 119 Division 1-A programs.
A conference commissioner serves as BCS coordinator. For the 2008 and 2009 regular seasons, the coordinator is John Swofford, commissioner of the Atlantic Coast Conference.
Presidential Oversight Committee
David Frohnmayer – President, University of Oregon
Rev. John Jenkins – President, University of Notre Dame
Robert Khayat – Chancellor, University of Mississippi
Mark A. Nordenberg – President, University of Pittsburgh
John G. Peters – President, Northern Illinois University
Harvey Perlman – Chancellor, University of Nebraska
Graham Spanier – President, The Pennsylvania State University
Charles W. Steger – President, Virginia Tech
Conference Commissioners and Notre Dame Athletics Director
Coordinator – John Swofford (ACC)
Britton Banowsky (C-USA)
Dan Beebe (Big 12)
Karl Benson (WAC)
Rick Chryst (MAC)
Jim Delany (Big Ten)
Tom Hansen (Pac-10)
Mike Slive (SEC)
Craig Thompson (MWC)
Michael Tranghese (Big East)
Wright Waters (Sun Belt)
Jack Swarbrick (Notre Dame)
AD Advisory Group
Gene Bleymaier (Boise State – WAC)
Joe Castiglione (Oklahoma – Big 12)
Gene DeFilippo (Boston College – ACC)
Jeremy Foley (Florida – SEC)
Keith Tribble (Central Florida, C-USA)
Ronald Guenther (Illinois – Big Ten)
Tom Holmoe (Brigham Young – MWC)
Tom Jurich (Louisville – Big East)
Dean Lee (Arkansas State – Sun Belt)
Jim Livengood (Arizona – Pac 10)
Mike O’Brien (Toledo – MAC)
2000?
I have to say that it seems like you thought “Well the Aggies won the Big 12 in 1998 so let’s start in 1999… no too obvious… 2000… much better.”
The Aggies have certainly been awful this decade, but just taking data from periods that you like isn’t very convincing. I would have a 4.0 if you only count the classes I got A’s in.
he started with the year 2000
b/c that was Leach’s first season at Tech. Tech football didn’t exist prior to 2000.
Untrue
The Big 12 was formed in 1994, and Tech has not had a losing season since its inception, the only team that can say that. To say that Tech football didn’t exist before 2000 is blasphemy.
According to Wikipedia, the following statement is about ND:
"The term “BCS Buster” refers to any team other than Notre Dame not from a BCS conference that manages to earn a spot in a BCS bowl game.33 These teams are often referred to as non-BCS when discussed outside of the post season structure. This is a misnomer as these conferences and teams are part of the BCS and share in the revenue distribution whether they participate in a BCS game or not.
With the exception of Notre Dame, it is generally more difficult for a non-BCS team to reach a BCS bowl than for a BCS conference team (see rules above), so becoming a BCS Buster is noteworthy. Even though there have been a number of worthy teams, the criteria have been met four times by three teams."
Now, you can take it from there. The site this came from is:
<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bowl_Championship_Series>
Just helping out. Hope this is of some use.
TTpilk
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