Five Things // Building the Offensive Line

Five Things is a handful (i.e., five) of thoughts about a single topic. Hopefully, discussion ensues.
Building the Offensive Line
I know that I'm not worried about the quarterback, the running back and the receivers, but this is an in-depth look at the offensive line.
1: Is Experience Overrated?
Much of Phil Steele's rankings are based on the experienced players returning and right now, Texas Tech sits at 106th in the nation. The experience factor is why Texas Tech isn't even in Steele's top 40 teams of 2009 (again, it's just someone's opinion) and much of that probably hinges on the fact that Texas Tech, on the surface, may be replacing 3 startes from last year, C Stephen Hamby, LT Rylan Reed and LG Louis Vasquez. There's really no way to write how much those guys meant to the Texas Tech offense last year especially if you consider how much time QB Graham Harrell had last year. Last year, Texas Tech gave up only 13 sacks the entire year (113 yards) and RB Baron Batch lost only 13 yards and RB Shannon Woods lost only 12 yards in 2008. That's a very low total of only 138 yards for the entire 2008 campaign. Again, that's an incredibly efficient offense that starts entirely up front with the offensive line, so to dismiss the importance of replacing starters along the offensive line isn't a bad line of thought when looking at offenses in 2009.
2: The Man at the Top
I had my doubts whenever Captain Leach hired little-known offensive line coach Matt Moore, hired from Troy University with only one year of college coaching experience and a number of years at the high school level. It seems like quite a stretch to be quite honest, but I'm not sure that this could have worked out any better for Texas Tech. I'm not sure who to attribute the quote, but it was something to the effect of find the guy that can hike the ball, and play the best four players after that. I don't think it was Moore, but you could certainly say that he believes in that philosophy. I'm not certain about this, but I believe that Moore, regardless of position, wants to find the best players and really doesn't worry too much about position. Of course, there are limitations to this, as you obviously cannot have a guy that has really bad feet or isn't athletic on the edge, but he did do this in some respect with Rylan Reed last year. Reed seemed to be a very athletic LT, but after his ankle injury in 2007, he wasn't as mobile as he had been the previous two years. Despite that, Moore felt that Reed was the best player available and he needed to be on the field.
3: Change In Tackles
Rylan Reed was a wonderful left tackle for Texas Tech, but he wasn't exactly mobile. He was incredibly strong and Texas Tech certainly played to his strength. Playing on an island, you can sometimes minimize the faults of a player, but it can also feature those faults. Brandon Carter started the spring out at left tackle and I thought at the time that this may not be the position best suited for Carter. Carter, much like Reed, is a huge guy and strength is his forte and I think he has decent footwork, but to me, he's not the kind of footwork to play left tackle. I'd even go so far to say that Carter's best position in the NFL will be at guard and I think he'll excel at that position. With Carter's knee injury, although not serious, he was replaced with redshirt freshman Terry McDaniel at left tackle. One of my thoughts during the spring game was that I was very much impressed with the way that McDaniel played and was especially impressed with his athleticism at this position. The difference between Carter and McDaniel, in my opinion, was that McDaniel seemed to have better footwork, but lacked the strength that Carter has, not to mention the all important know-how in playing along the line. There's no doubt that whoever plays at left tackle, that player is going to have to handle the likes of UT's Sergio Kindle and OU's Gerald McCoy, to name just two, and if it were me, I'd fall on the side of having the more athletic guy.
Marlon Winn is a guy that doesn't get much pre-season press, but if you want to talk about guys that are true athletes along the offensive line, I think you start with Winn. Winn, at least to me, represents the wave of the future with the Texas Tech line. Winn is the type of player that can contain most defensive ends and to be honest, prior to the spring, I thought that he would be a perfect replacement at left tackle. Not knowing the progress of McDaniel, especially since he didn't play all of last year, I thought that Winn would pick-up right where Reed left off and would protect Taylor Potts blindside for the next year. And perhaps this is a bit of forward thinking by Moore, but I get the feeling that Moore wants to have a guy in McDaniel to hold that spot for quite some time, which may explain the reason why he's staying at right tackle, but if push came to shove and none of the LT options work out, I have no doubt that Winn could step-in without missing a beat.
4: Versatility
Chris Olson represents Moore's philosophy more than any other player. Moore has said that Olson could essentially play any position along the offensive line. Olson is too good to be on the sideline this year, and if a guy struggles then you could see Olson relatively quickly. And that's not to say that Olson won't start either. But that type of versatility is something that's starting to show up in recruiting as well.
2009 signee Kyle Clark's ESPN evaluation starts off by saying that Clark is a versatile player:
Clark shows some versatility at both offensive guard and offensive tackle. He is a big tall and lean football player that can become a real talent if he works on foot agility and plays with better leverage.
Same goes for Joel Gray, where the ESPN evaluation states that Gray could play either tackle or guard:
Gray has a good motor as a strong side offensive tackle but is better suited for the guard position. He is an impressive 6'6" and at 285 pounds and has the dimensions you're looking for in an offensive lineman.
LaAdrian Waddle is another guy that was mentioned as coming in second in the discus throw in state, and the ESPN evaluation confirms that he's another projectable athlete:
Defenders have trouble getting around such a huge specimen and the long arms are effective in keeping pass rusher away from body. Must be careful to not be beaten underneath. Waddle has real potential because he moves well for such a big player. If he works on trimming down and improve foot quickness and technique he will be a highly sought after lineman.
Matt Goetz, I think is penciled in as a center, played guard in college, but there's nothing for me to think in his ESPN evaluation that he couldn't play guard or tackle:
Goetz is a very solid offensive lineman that is made for the guard position. He has good size and still could add strength and bulk. Very good run blocker that comes off the ball quickly and delivers a real jolt to the defender. Sometimes loses control and has trouble sustaining; needs to be consistent at locking into the defender's frame. Gives excellent effort and drives his legs after contact at the point of attack. Has a little problem with the backside cutoff and loses defensive man across his face. Good short stepper on the reach and zone block. Goetz should develop into a fine offensive guard at the next level.
5: Rounding Out the Rest
If you're wondering about the rest of the line, I think the same type of thing can be said about the rest of the group. Shawn Byrnes is expected to start at center, but I've come around greatly on Byrnes' backup Justin Keown. After watching him a bit during the spring game, he can play. The same goes for right guards, Mickey Okafor and Deveric Gallington, additional athletic guys that I think could play a number of positions if asked. After Winn graduates next year I get the feeling that if Olson hasn't found a spot anywhere else, he'll step up at this spot and Joe King could easily assert himself, much like McDaniel, during the offseason. Lonnie Edwards was one of the higher rated recruits coming out of the 2007 signing class, and although he's yet to find a spot, that's another player that could step up for Carter at left guard when he graduates next year.
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Definetly a buzz up for me......
O-line NEVER gets enough props….and Tech has THE BEST O-line in college football. Period. Great work Seth!!!
And yes……I’m very biased……..
"There's nothing that cleanses your soul like getting the hell kicked out of you." Woody Hayes
The O line should crushes all 09 opponents .. except OU
..those guys we fight to draw .. If it’s one area that bedevils our opponents it’s the O line. Whatever has been the development, recruiting and conditioning formula we just need more of it. You just have to like a crew of big, physical, brawling big eaters bent on a mission to overwhelm our opponents. The O line makes or breaks the scheme. Look at the Ole Miss game. You saw Constant D line pressure disrupting the play of the skill folks. Just disrupted our offensive timing. QB starts getting happy feet. Result no rhythm. The push to open holes, push the D line around the passer and then the occasional man block pancake that’s the game our Raider O line must execute. My word would be "neutralize". Make the opponents Def scheme null and void.
My thoughts are that Okafor, Olson , McDaniel will play very well for the Raiders in this campaign one or more will be all Big 12 at the end o f the season. Wynn, Carter and Byrnes will be All American selectees or Honorable mentions. Coaches appreciate these guys. Keown, L. Edwards and Gallington will contribute. The combo of tough running backs just enables these big fellows to pound their opponents. More opportunities for this O line to punch people in the mouth. Can’t wait Folks just can’t wait ..
Personally I see it like this
- Left Tackle: Terry McDaniel
- Left Guard: Brandon Carter
- Center: Shawn Byrnes
- Right Guard: Chris Olson
- Right Tackle: Marlon Winn
with Keown & Gallington gettin significant reps
Wreck 'em, Tech!
by Tortilla Pirate on Jun 16, 2009 3:13 PM CDT reply actions
I agree, this is probably what we see.
There is a chance that Carter moves back to right guard because that’s his more natural position, but left guard is where the money is at and having two linemen taken in the first day (still 3 rounds imo) next year is very appealing. (As Winn and Carter are both that kind of caliber up front, though Winn is a little bit more under the radar and in a position with fewer opportunities).
actually
I think the question is, was your OL overrated last season? Were they the team that was hyped up in the press to be one of the nation’s best, or were they the line that was destroyed by OU and Mississippi?
Given that even Baylor was getting pressure with their DL, I lean toward the former. I think y’all might be better on OL this season, simply b/c of the loss of Reed. I really thought he was WAY overrated, with the media just falling in love with his inflated strength numbers. Also, was Hamby the one with the facepaint and mohawk? If he had focused as much on his technique as he did on his hair, he would have been a good player.
To answer your question, no, experience is not overrated on the line, which is one of the reasons I think you’ll be better this season. You’ll have more players familiar with Moore and with his system.
JMO.
Good question
But I disagree that they were overrated. Though they did get pushed around by OU, Baylor, and Ole Miss at the end of the year, the previous 10 games before that they were extremely dominant. I think THAT was the true Tech O-line at it’s best last year, the hype was justified for 10 games…I dont think your overrated if your dominant in 10 games and below average in 3. I don’t want to make excuses for them, but I really also believe that OU crushed the team’s will. The fire/inspiration to give it everything they had wasn’t there anymore (this can be applied to the whole team outside of Baron Batch) which is disappointing, albeit understandable considering the circumstances. Of course, I have no way to prove this.
Overall, I think we will be good on the OL this season, but not as good as last year. Mathematically, if the 09 OL’s 100% all-out effort is equivalent to the 08 OL’s say, 85% effort, we should still have a pretty darn good O-line.
Again, No
No, they were not overrated. Reed’s strength wasn’t inflated and it’s Carter, not Hamby who does the face and hair. Looks like we’ll be seeing another year of that. Sure, he’s a good lineman but I can do without the look myself. Our line has to be sure they don’t get shaken up like they did against the Sooners.
Face paint
I could do without it too, personally, but if it makes him play better/with more inspiration, I’m all for it!
Reed was never the same after his ankle. Still could have started or competed for the spot on most teams in the Big XII. Keep in mind Reed shut down Jake Long, #2 pick in the gator bowl before he broke his ankle in that game.
And ole miss blitzed like mad and still picked up only 2 sacks.
just a note.
when did Reed break his ankle?
Because from what I watched of that game, y’all couldn’t handle Long. He was dominating his side of the field, despite double and triple teams. I mainly watched the second half, though, which is why I’m asking when Reed went down.
Long was involved in a number of plays but that is a testament to the kind of player that he is. If you go and look back at the Jake Long gator bowl highlight video, you notice that a lot of the plays he was involved in involved him chasing down screens and such from the back side. And Reed was on an island with Long. He had help if he needed it, but there weren’t double and triple teams.
And yeah, Reed broke his ankle late in the 4th on a goalline play during our comeback. I think it was lost in the commotion because it was the go-ahead touchdown or something like that.
just wondering
Is Reed through playing or is he trying to make a team in CFL or something…just haven’t heard anything.
good question
But I dont think that its THAT cut and dry.
We definitely had one of the best OLines in the country last year. Cap’n Leach and mate Moore definitely know how to recruit and coach up that position. The place where people fail to look for answers to this most perplexing of questions is to strength and conditioning. Emphasis on CONDITIONING. While the guys on our o line are talented and extremely well coached, they still lag in the off season conditioning part of the equation.
Think of the elite programs of 10-20 years ago. The Florida States and Miamis of this world would seem to be seem to be moving in fast motion compared to their opponents. With the advent of Super Conferences such as the SEC and Big XII that part of the playing field has leveled a lot. Continuing to build on our recent successes will continue to eliminate that disparity.
Our guys last year just got gassed. If we had 3 subpar games where do you think the answer lies? Choice A) OU, BU, Ol Miss are that good/better than us? or B) our guys we so gassed by that stage in the season that if you factor out a fixed amount of performance due to fatigue you get EXACTLY the results we got. I think “B”.
Wreck 'em, Tech!
by Tortilla Pirate on Jun 17, 2009 4:34 PM CDT up reply actions
I think that is just rationalization
If we had 3 subpar games where do you think the answer lies? Choice A) OU, BU, Ol Miss are that good/better than us? or B) our guys we so gassed by that stage in the season that if you factor out a fixed amount of performance due to fatigue you get EXACTLY the results we got. I think "B".
I’m not sure about Baylor, but if you watched the games, I think you have to agree that YES, OU and Ole Miss’ DL was just that much better than Tech’s OL.
It would be rationalization if I was pointing to something nebulous or abstract but I’m not.
To say that Tech’s strength and conditioning staff comes close to approaching that of OU, UT, or A&M even is delusional. As our system grows and we can have Bennie Wylie and a staff of asst conditioning coaches, nutritionists, etc. our guys won’t run out of steam by the end of the season the way the Sooners obviously didnt and handed our asses to us.
Wreck 'em, Tech!
by Tortilla Pirate on Jun 24, 2009 2:55 PM CDT up reply actions
OL will be just fine
Wow I don’t think our Oline was overrated at all. In fact, giving up only 13 sacks is still amazing. I think that the only real criticism I have of Harrell through the years is that he would hold onto the ball way too long. So if you really count the sacks where our Oline got really beat at the snap it would be just a handful over the last 3 years. Just to clear the air, I live in Mississippi, I went to/watched several of Ole Miss’s games. They had a real good Dline and yet they felt the need to blitz from all over. They again only really got pressure when Harrell held on to the ball. And in fact, the game really turned on 3 things: Interception for TD where Crab falls down, Punt return, and several of our Dline suspended thus we had no real depth in the 2nd half. Anyway, I love what we have in our Oline and we will be just fine in the future. We also actually have some QB’s that might run some in the future and that will help as well. Wreck’em Tech!!

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