Relation of our Scoring to Opponent's
by Bornlaser on Jun 20, 2009 11:17 AM CDT
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PrintHere's a rundown of our scoring compared to our opponent's scoring. I will be posting a chart hopefully Also, a graph so we can see what kind of relationship there is to how much we score in comparison to opponent's scoring.
At first I was going to show how much time of posession matters. After researching it, it doesn't really seem to make any difference. Guess Leach knows what he's talking about.
Scoring Scoring
Tech Opp.
2001 35.10 23.80
2002 38.40 31.40
2003 42.80 35.70
2004 36.20 26.20
2005 39.40 18.80
2006 32.50 25.10
2007 41.80 25.80
2008 44.60 26.20
Something you can see by the chart (except for the year 2005 and to a degree last year) Whenever our scoring goes up so does our opponents'. When ours goes down, so does our opponents'. My theory for the reason behind this is to show one of the reasons for a lack of defense is the presence of a quick-strike, high scoring offense. This kind of offense is not friendly toward commendable numbers for the defense.
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Can anyone tell me why I cannot post an image/graph on this website?
I’m starting to think I’m the aggie here.
no
just a Red Raider.
See the little button with the tree on it?
Hit that button.
At little box will pop up and you can put your image URL in there.
The HTML code will then post in your editor like this:
If you have a graph image you want to use, I would suggest making a screen print, then uploading it to a jpg using http://tinypic.com or some similar site so you can then post it on here.
You’re welcome.
that's right!!!!
unfortunately, we don’t have an edit feature on here for comments.
if you look at the image properties, it is obvious why it posted a red X.
Extra added information, just to see......
————————-Scoring———————Season
Year——-Tech——-Opp.———-Diff.——-Record
2001——-35.10——-23.80——-11.30——-7-5
2002——-38.40——-31.40 -——-7.00——-9-5
2003——-42.80——-35.70———7.10——-8-5
2004——-36.20——-26.20——-10.00——-8-4
2005——-39.40——-18.80——-20.60——-9-3
2006——-32.50——-25.10 -——-7.40——-8-5
2007——-41.80——-25.80——-16.00——-9-4
2008——-44.60——-26.20——-18.40——11-2
Except for ’02, the wider the average margin of victory, the better the record.
TTpilk
I am actually stunned to see we held opponents under 20 pts a game in 2005. That should be the goal for this season’s defense.
2005 was when y'all played two I-AA teams
Indiana State and Sam Houston State
You gave up 7 and 21 points in those games, respectively.
What is really interesting is that the ‘08 defense, which many claimed was an improvement over previous Tech defenses, gave up more points than any defense since ’03 (’04 gave up the same number).
relations to 2008...
The OU game exposed the Defense greatly. OU did something that no other team was able to do throughout the season before this game… do whatever they wanted.
BU and Ole Miss saw the exposure and did a great job in capitalizing. Ole Miss did the better job. If BU’s record would have better at the end of the season, I am more than sure they would have found a way to win the game.
Before the OU game, not many offenses were doing to good a job in scoring against the Red Raider D, the Sooners just found openings that caused opportunities for their offense. I am pretty sure Ruff and the Defensive coaches are going to close those openings up before the 09 season begins. They dont want those same outcomes to happen again.
Disagree that OU just magically found some holes in your defense
If you look at the first quarter of games last year, you’ll notice a trend:
Eastern Washington, 21-0
Nevada, 7-3
SMU, 15-0
UMass, 21-7
KSU, 14-7
Nebraska, 7-0
Texas A&M, 7-10
Kansas, 14-14 ( halftime, 35-14)
texas, 12-0
Okie State, 14-7
Oklahoma, 0-7 (halftime, 7-42)
Baylor, 7-13
With the exception of the Nevada, A&M, and Nebraska games, Tech always scored in double-digits in the first quarter, your offense often getting a comfortable lead. This lead allowed your defense to play more aggressive, as the opponent pressed, and tried to keep up with Tech’s offense. All of these games came before OU “exposed” your defense. In the games where you didn’t get double-digits on the scoreboard early, you struggled defensively, as attested by the overtime win against Nebraska, the need to come from behind in the second half against A&M, and the comeback win against Baylor.
Tech ran a pretty basic 4-3 scheme last season, so I don’t think there are any ‘holes’ in their scheme opponents didn’t see before OU; they just were taken out of their offensive gameplan b/c they were down so quickly.
Your offense really helped out your defense in a lot of games. JMO.
skipped the Ole Miss game where we did have a lead.
I noticed something different: when our defense rotated in the 2nd linemen all at once, they broke down wholesale. It happened against OU and it happened again against Ole Miss. Both of those scoring frenzies were against our 2nd line. UT made a comeback against our 2nd line.
Will give credit...
To NU in the 4th and A&M in the 1st half.
Also going to give credit to Coach Pelini by incorporating a well thought out scheme in keeping the ball twice as long as TT did. That was a well thought out plan. In the 1st half of play NU had only 146 total yards and 1 TD, with 103 of those being passing yards. The huskers had 4 huge penalties that totalled 35 yards, that hurt them in the 1st half alone (TT had none in the 1st half). With a couple of sacks and takles in the backfield to account for losses. The Huskers even finished with 8 penalties total, with Tech only having 2… which helped out tremendously in a game like this.
Pelini and crew though turned the after burners on in the 2nd half (actually the 4th quarter). In the 4th quarter (and last 4 mins of the 3rd) they gained 220 positive yards with 21 unanswered points. TT did a fantastic job up to that point in keeping the Huskers from scoring at will. Just like the game against Nevada, McNeill and the D kept them and the Huskers out of the endzone, despite the yardage allowed. Pelini has a brilliant mind on his head, and Leach knows this of him. Pelini found a way to score on the Red Raiders in the 4th quarter, which did carry over to the A&M game.
Sherman and company saw this, so what did they do in the 1st half of play? They acquired 277 yards of total yards and 23 points. The Red Raiders only had the ball for about 9 mins in the 1st half, but they did score 21 points. Thing is, there are two halves of football… The Tech D rose to the occassion and fixed their problems. You also got to remember, when these two teams play in CS, no matter what either one of their records are it is going to be a hard fought game. Think of the 02 game when TT finished the season 9-5, A&M went 6-6; in 98 when TT finished 7-5 and A&M 11-3; in 94 when TT finished 6-6 and A&M went 10-0-1. When these two teams meet in CS, those records are out the window… it had always been a gridiron matchup between these two teams.
The Tech D did keep alot of these teams from their game averages; either it be passing, rushing, total yards or offensive scoring. KSU, KU, UT, OSU, and Nevada come to mind. Even with the struggles against Baylor, the Tech D still kept Griffin under 100 yards rushing, when most could not (Mizzou was another team that kept him under 100).
The only reason UT kept in that game the way they did, was due to a punt return for a TD and a 91 yard pass by McCoy to Williams. Pure luck by the Longhorns to NOT get blown out by the Red Raiders. Me, personally am glad the Red Raiders did not pound the Longhorns… reason being. Imagine just how pissed off they would be when Texas Tech goes to Austin. Not that they are not mad already, but this would just be more of a reason for the Longhorns to brutally destroy the Red Raiders.
Pigskin Classic
We played an extra game against Ohio State that year. Not sure why, but that’s the reason for the 9-5 record.
Forgot about that
After seeing your post, I looked on espn.com at 2002 and WOW!! I had forgotten how that season as a whole, was just a huge rollercoaster ride for Tech!! First we get DROVE by Ohio St 45-21, then lose a double overtime game to NC St 51-48, then beat New Mexico 49-0, then beat aTm 48-47 in OVERTIME, then beat Texas by the skin of our teeth at the Jones 42-38, then Get demolished by OK 60-15, then Tech shocked ME by beating Clemson 55-15 in the Tangerine Bowl.
We were eerily close to being 7-7 that year, having barely beat Texas and aTm. Those were two VERY SWEET WINS! Still are to this day;)…It’s June 21st! We are just A COUPLE OF MONTHS from seeing some SNOT FLY!!…Get em ready Benny!!!
Defense
Many non-Raider people are discounting this year’s team, saying the defense will be worse. As we Raider fans know, because of the signing of better athletes on the defensive side of the ball the last couple of years, McNeil is going to be able to encorporate some of his formations and schemes he previously found difficult to run with the personnel he had. As a result, this year’s defense could wind up being considerably better than anyone is anticipating. Also, against OU, you must give credit to the OU defensive coordinator. What he recognized, and what Baylor and Ole Miss picked up on, is that when certain players were enserted and/or certain alignments were used, Tech was compromised by having inferrier athletes on the field for certain offensive schemes. The opponents simply ran those schemes and capitalized greatly. The sad part is that Ruff did not pick up on the problem. Hopefully, after going over those schemes, players and results, he will come back this year and make better adjustments himself in those same situations. The better athletes will help him to do this, I think. Looking forward to another excellent year from our Red Raiders.
TTpilk
Interesting
You and Kayakyakr have some interesting observations about inferior or second-string defensive players. Does this mean Ruff will have to leave the starters out there more, or is this a catch 22?
Actually
Some of those players that got burned were starters. When the offensive coordinator of our opponent can find exactly who is playing and what schemes they play against, he can just about nullify any move our defensive coordinator makes. I am not going to name names, but a couple of seniors and other players were beat at awkward times last year. Let’s hope the team can rectify those type situations, play the right guy when needed and make it all work out in our favor this year. Recognition. It is vital for us to succeed, from both sides of the ball. No more blowouts. I hope our defense can hold the opponents to 20 or less points per game this year, while the offense keeps scoring at the same pace as last year. WRECK ’EM.
TTpilk
disagree
What he recognized, and what Baylor and Ole Miss picked up on, is that when certain players were enserted(sic) and/or certain alignments were used, Tech was compromised by having inferrier(sic) athletes on the field for certain offensive schemes.
First of all, I don’t think this is the case of some ‘revelation’ by OU. I think there wasn’t any team in the nation that could really match-up with Jermaine Gresham, Juaquin Inglesias, Ryan Broyles, et al, so what you saw as something the OU defensive(?) coordinator picked up, I saw as their basic MO.
Second, to believe this, you need to belive that Tech has inferior players across the board to Baylor. While I don’t think there is a single player on Tech’s team that can match Robert Griffin (no shame there, there isn’t one nationally that I’ve seen, either), I don’t think Baylor posesses an overall talent advantage over Tech.
As for Ole Miss, I think once they realized their offensive and defensive lines were better than anything Tech could trot out on the field (and that Crabtree wasn’t 100%), they just teed off on began dominating the game.
I believe that he’s referring to the condition where OU’s playcalling in the 2nd quarter (and beyond) was: if Ratliff or Riley are in the game, run over them. Otherwise throw it to someone.
That night, though, I don’t think any team in the big XII could have slowed OU down once they started going in the 2nd quarter.
Stoops saw what the atmosphere at Jones did to weaken Texas
There probably wasn’t a more rowdy crowd than the Lubbock one when we played Texas. AND IT HELPED.
Stoops saw that and stirred the pot before the game in Norman. That crowd got going. All our players including Graham Harrell looked stunned and whipped before they ever stepped on the field. They are going to have to have a little more toughness this year.
I think the fact that OU's offense and defensive lines
were able to line up and whip your asses across the board did more to help the Sooner crowd than anything Stoop smay have said.
Stoops has a ridiculous home record at OU, and part of that is b/c the Sooner fans are great at supporting a winning team, and part of it is he just fields damn good teams.
Stoops explicitly called out the Sooner crowd before the game, you’re gonna tell me that that didn’t help fire them up? (it also helped that the game meant the difference between being in the NC discussion and out of it entirely, of course) But I STILL say the single biggest factor in that game was the b***s*** “anonymous” report out of (imagine that) Austin, TX that magically appeared before the game claiming that our head coach had pretty much agreed to a deal with Tennessee. Don’t get me wrong, I EXPECTED us to lose that game (we’ve got to get better on the road, which is why I expect us to lose in Austin in ‘09) but I do not think we lose that BADLY without our team thinking about that. It also hurts that we don’t really feel any deep “animosity” towards OU. Our team will get fired up for aTm and UT no matter the records, situation or anything else, but not OU. Again, this is something we need to deal with, but I’m just saying.
is there a link
about this ‘anonymous’ report?
Given that no other program apparently wants Leach, I am surprised the team would believe this.
Of course, this assumes such a report exists in the first place.
Again, link…..?
txt3ch6uy linked an example below, that blog post was made RIGHT BEFORE the Oklahoma game (enough before so that that specific post couldn’t have affected things, but the referenced “leak” could have). Here’s another story posted the day AFTER that game:
quote: Tennessee sophomore Gerald "Jones chatted with his close friend and former teammate at Millwood (Okla.) High School, Tramain Swindall.
Swindall is a redshirt freshman receiver at Texas Tech, where he’s caught 36 passes in the Red Raiders’ spread offense. After catching up, Jones and Swindall’s talk turned to Tennessee’s coaching search.
“He kind of sounded depressed,” Jones said. “He said, ‘I heard Coach Leach was interviewing for the job.’ I didn’t know how to respond to it. I was like, ‘Yeah, I heard about it.’ I was like, ‘That would be bittersweet.’”"
http://www.commercialappeal.com/news/2008/nov/18/next-tennessee-football-coach-big-topic-in-locker-/
that blog post
is dated 11/17/08, which was the Monday before the OU game. Most programs give their players Monday off, so assuming this was true that week, the team would have met on Tuesday. Assuming any of the players even saw anything about this leak (a very big assumption), all Leach had to do was say “there is no truth to this rumor, now let’s talk about how we’re going to beat OU” and move on.
To claim this weak rumor had any effect on the shellacking y’all took at OU is just weak.
OU kicked your ass up and down the field b/c they were simply better than Tech, just like they were better than Oklahoma State, Missouri, A&M, and all the other teams they put up over 60 on.
How could....
you go and say that the rumor was a weak excuse?? I am not going to speak on their behalf, because plainly I dont know what happened between the two week break between the OSU and OU games… I do know this much, the team that play OSU and the team that played OU were two totally different teams.
MAYBE, the players hearing that Coach Leach was leaving soon, did have an affect on how they performed against OU. These are young kids and seeing a figure like Coach Leach just get up and go, COULD have an affect on there feelings. Seeing how far the program has gone in the 9 years he had been their, seeing the talent level go up each and every season, and actually believing in themselves that they can play with the power houses such as the Longhorns and the Sooners… suddenly get flushed down the drain because of Coach Leach going. I am going to say, yes that plays a HUGE part in young players heads. Now am I saying that was the reason they got an ASS whooping in Norman… NO. What I will say is this… Coach Leach should have NEVER put these players in that situation. I love the hell outta the guy and respect him on a high level, but that decision should have NEVER been made. With all his experience as a HC and as a father, he should have thought about the consequences.
They got an ass whooping in Norman, no doubt… now if Leach would have NOT made that decision to start looking at other job openings in other institutions actually have an affect of the game? I dont know, MAYBE the outcome would have been a little different. Whatever happened between the OSU game and the OU game will forever be behind close doors… I just hope to NEVER see a performance like that again.
two things
I don’t know if you noticed this, but a big difference between the texas, Oklahoma State, and OU games are that the two former were played in Lubbock, while the latter was played in Norman.
Your team doesn’t do well on the road, plain and simple.
OU was waiting for the Tech game. They were pissed off from losing to Tech in Lubbock last year after Bradford was injured early, and they were ready for retribution.
As for
I just hope to NEVER see a performance like that again.
it happened before in 2002, when they lost 60-15.
Were there rumors about Mike Leach taking another job then, too?
It seems to me that y’all have taken an assumption (that the Tech players heard about a rumor posted on a blog in Tennessee), and pinned all your rationalization for Tech getting plastered by OU on it.
I am...
I am going to say this about away game performance. Look at the records of away/neutral site games since the 2004 season. They have a record of 18-14 in away/neutral site games; OU has around a 24-12 (just looked over those records quickly… didnt spend too much time overlooking it again) record. Thats just 2 less losses than Tech, yet OU has taken 3 straight BIG 12 titles and won 5 of the last 6. UT on the other hand has a total of 5 away/neutral site losses. Tech is 3rd in the BIG 12 in this category. Yes, they need to win in away games, but just by these stats the better team in this conference does not always have to win in away from home games. OU has proven that time and time again.
As for the OU game, how about get over it… READ, REREAD, AND READ AGAIN the post 12th man. I said it MAY have, nothing as in saying it TOTALLY DID. I dont know that, i was not behind closed doors when all this went down. I cant tell you what happened.
And that 60-15 game back in 02 had nothing to do with this past seasons game… they were two totally different teams. The 02 team finished with 5 total losses, the 2008 team finished with 2. You CANNOT compare two teams 6 years apart. Thought you were smarter than that. Then again, we are discussing topics with an AGGIE here
This was from a TV station in Tenn...
The newest rumor concerning the UT coaching search involves Texas Tech head coach Mike Leach. A source of mine told me that he heard that a television station in Austin, Texas has leaked the information that Leach has been offered the head coaching job at Tennessee.
http://www.wdef.com/blog/mike_leach_offered_ut_job/11/2008
Even looking through the Comments, one person said he/she was from Austin and has not heard a thing on tv or radio. Dont know, but the article is a blog so not so sure it is true. Tried looking around for another article on the Web, but nothing much came up on it.
OK, first, make no mistake I was very hopeful we’d win in Norman, but I EXPECTED to lose that game against OU for exactly the reasons you cite. We ARE (currently) a better home than road team, and as I’ve noted before we don’t have the passion against OU that we have against the other Texas teams (minus Baylor). That said, I did not remotely expect to lose THAT BADLY, and I do believe the situation with our coach played a facotr in THAT which is why I supported the administration in the Mike Leach contract negotiations even though I think Mike Leach is an INCREDIBLE coach and we’ve benefitted greatly from having him in our program. I say rumors that your coach is leaving RIGHT BEFORE a terrible loss are suspicious. I also cited an article wherin one of our receivers was noted as being “down” over those rumors. If your rebuttal to that is that Mike Leach COULD easily dispel those rumors, I agree, he COULD do so. However, if that is your main contention, I would now direct you to THIS quote (which blew my mind at the time) by our STARTING QUARTERBACK:
(On coach Leach leaving Texas Tech)
“I think it has to do more with him wanting a new challenge,” Harrell said.
“There’s a great chance” he’d leave, Harrell said. “But if he stays he’s going to continue to be successful here, and I’d love to see that.”
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2008/football/ncaa/12/05/mike-leach.ap/index.html
When your starting quarterback thinks your coach is probably leaving, that’s not a good sign.
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