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by txt3ch6uy on Jun 24, 2009 5:33 PM CDT
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PrintThere are those that continue to state that WE only have football to look forward too. Well, I am here to put that to rest. Yes, I will agree that recently football has been more successful than that of Baseball and both Men's and Women's basketball. These past few years have not been too kind to either program for the moment, but at any given time things can change around.
Though the Mens Basketball program has not won a Conference Title since the SWC Era, the Red Raiders have achieved success by taking part in the NCAA tournament in '02, '04, '05, and '07; making it to the sweet 16 in 2005 along with making it to the NIT semi's in 2003. Only having 5 winning records (within the conference) since the inception of the BIG 12, is nothing to gloat about, but tell me this... other than KU, UT, OU, and OSU what other team in the BIG 12 has had much success in this Conference? The Jayhawks have pretty much owned the Conference with 9 Conference Titles. Other than the Longhorns taking 3 Titles, no other team has more than 2 to account for (ISU won 2- 2000, 01; OSU and OU have both won 1 Title). If you go and check the BIG 12 database 2 Titles were split between UT and KU in 2006 and 08; 1 Title was split between OU and KU in 2005. The past couple of seasons in Red Raider basketball have been down, but the last 8 games of the 2008 season (including tournament) showed alot of promise for the 2009 season. The only teams to dominate across the board against the Red Raiders have been the Jayhawks, Sooners, Cowboys, and Longhorns... are the other 7 teams in the BIG 12 having much success against these teams?? Before the inception of the BIG 12, the records stood as such against the other 7 teams in the BIG 12..
Baylor- 54-34 TAMU- 47-45 ISU- 0-2 Mizzou- 1-2
Nebraska- 3-7 Colorado- 4-9 KSU- 1-7
Through the 2008-2009 season; () show records since the BIG 12 Era:
Baylor- 71-44 (17-10) TAMU- 64-56 (17-11) ISU 8-9 (8-7) Mizzou- 8-10 (7-8)
Nebraska- 9-14 (6-7) Colorado- 12-16 (8-7) KSU 12-12 (11-5)
From seeing above, the Basketball program has been staying competitive against the remainder of the BIG12 opponents, with only showing signaficant improvement against the Wild Cats. The Red Raiders are also keeping grasp of the A&M and BU series.
Women's basketball has taken a pretty good hit in the past 3 seasons. In Marsha Sharps final coaching season (2005-06), it was her first time to not hit 20 wins since the 88-89 season. Since the beginning of the BIG 12 Era, the Lady Raiders have earned 2 Tournament titles and 3 regular season titles. They have also made the NCAA tournament from the 96-97 season to the 04-05 season (9 straight seasons). Also note, Marsha Sharp had lead the Lady Raiders to 17 straight NCAA tournaments, winning 1 NCAA championship. During the BIG 12 tenure, they have also made it to the NCAA Sweet 16 seven total times (leads BIG 12) and the Elite 8 twice (leads the BIG 12 along with OU and ISU- both with two). Since the beginning of the NCAA tournament, only 1 team has been able to make it to the Sweet 16 as many times as the Lady Raiders... the Lady Horns, both with 11 appearances; only the Lady Horns have made more overall appearances in the Elite 8, with eight while the Lady Raiders have made it 4 times. Keep in mind the Lady Raiders along with the Lady Bears and Lady Horns are the only teams from the BIG 12 to have taken home a National Title for Women's Basketball. Yes, the Lady Raiders have been down for the past 3 seasons, but do not count them out. With a winning tradition as this, they will not be down long. Below list some notes from each team in the BIG 12; () shows all-time series records along with record since the inception of the BIG 12... if need be.
Baylor (46-20; 15-12) - Since the ‘02 season, the Bears have gone 12-5, winning 9 of the last 10 games.
Colorado (14-5; 11-4) - 1st time this series has been tight… series is at 2-2 in the past 4 games.
ISU (8-7)- Cyclones are on a 3 game winning streak, winning 4 of the last 6 games.
Mizzou (10-5; 9-5)- The tigers have taken 3 of the past 4 games; 1 being at the BIG 12 tournament.
Nebraska (13-2; 13-1)- Lady Raiders are on a 12 game winning streak; last loss to the Huskers was when the BIG 12 was established.
Oklahoma (21-16; 11-14)- The Lady Raiders have struggled against the Sooners, losing 14 of the last 19 games and on a 6 game losing streak.
OSU (25-14; 22-5)- The Cow girls are on a 2 game winning streak, right after the Lady Raiders 7 game winning streak.
Kansas (11-3; 11-2)- Lady Raiders are on a 9 game winning streak against the Lady Hawks; last loss was in 99.
KSU (8-8; 8-7)- Another team the Lady Raiders are struggling against; losing 6 of the last 8 games, after a 5 game winning streak.
Texas (24-55; 15-14)- After dropping the first 37 games of the alltime series, the Lady Raiders have a 24-18 threshold on the Horns. The last 8 games have been split by both teams… 4-4.
TAMU (52-13; 19-5)- The Aggies are on a 5 game winning streak, after the Lady Raiders pulled a 19 game winning streak.
Baseball has also taken a toll since the 2005 season. This program, just like the basketball program has not won a title for quite sometime. It has been since 98, that the Red Raider baseball team has been able to bring home a BIG 12 Conference Title ('97) or Tournament Title ('96, '98). This program has also found success by making it to the NCAA tournament... 8 straight from '95-'02 then again in 2004. For the past 4 seasons, the baseball program has seen times of struggle... keep in mind though before Hayes took over as HC, TT did not have much success. Coach Hayes turned this program from a struggling program to elite competitors. Under new Coach Spencer, there have been signes of success for seasons to come. It has been since the 2000 season, that Tech was able to win atleast 1 game against EVERY BIG 12 opponent. Only the '97, '99, and 2000 teams were able to accomplish that feat. During the Hays tenure, there have only been 2 teams within the BIG 12 that have been able completely shut down his teams... Nebraska and Texas. Tell me though, does this surprise other BIG 12 teams? I am pretty sure these two teams have dominated over the remainder 7 teams in the Conference. With both these teams taking 8 of the 13 Tournament Titles; No other team has taken home more than 1 Tournament Title. TAMU is the only other team (other than UT and NU) to bring home more than 2 Conference Regular season titles ('98, '99, and '08). Before the Hays Era, the Red Raiders had a horrindous records against the Aggies and the Longhorns. Against the Aggies, the record stood at 19-41; against the Horns, 10-52. Hays turned that around, though the records are still losing ones against both the Aggs and the Horns (against the Aggs, the record stood as 28-37; against the Horns, 23-41), his teams have shown competitiveness against both teams compared to before. The biggest difference has come since the inception of the BIG 12, where the Red Raiders have shown vast improvement against both the Aggs (16-16) and against the Horns (15-18). The Red Raiders only other losing records are against the Huskers (15-25) and the Cowboys (16-18). The Red Raiders THROUGH the tenure of Larry Hays ( NOT all- time) have shown these records against the rest of the BIG 12 teams.
() are records since the Inception of the BIG 12... If need be
Baylor- 41-26 (21-15) Kansas- 20-12 KSU- 21-13-1 Mizzou- 18-16
Nebraska- 15-25 (12-23) Oklahoma- 21-21-1 OSU- 16-18 Texas- 23-41 (15-18)
TAMU- 28-37 (16-16) ISU- 13-2 (5-1)
ISU discontinued the baseball team in the early 2000's; CU has not fielded a baseball team.
WE fans of either baseball, football or even Men's or Women's basketball have seen the Red Raiders go through years of struggles. Yes, it does get frustrating, but WE stay loyal to the program and continue to route for OUR team. So to say that WE only have football to look forward too... you people know very little of Texas Tech athletic programs. After reading this, hope you understand the Texas Tech baseball, mens and womens basketball may be down... but they are not out.
By the way for those of you wanting to know what type of websites I went to... it ranges from the BIG 12 webpage, to the Texas Tech official website, to BIG 12 database records, to wikipedia. There were plenty of places I got this information... be my guest on doing your own searching. HAHA
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I think all of the programs have an up-and-up. The baseball and mens basketball teams showed a lot of heart during the tournaments and I think that they’re being coached by two young coaches with a lot of potential. This is a kind of make-or-break year for Pat Knight, he has to hit 20 wins or he’s going to have a lot of unhappy people calling for his head. I actually am looking forward to the Basketball season to see what a full year under Pat can do for the team.
As to the baseball team, Spencer has a few more years before the expectations should really start to fall on him, but I think the team has a real chance to make it into the tournament next season if they can continue to build on what they did this year (and can find a good weekday starter for once). Reasonable expectation: even or slightly above even in the big XII to finish well above even overall. even in the big XII (so long as you have a winning OOC record) gets you into the national tournament.
I’m not convinced that the women’s basketball team has the right coach. If Coach Curry can’t take them back into the postseason this year, it may be time to look into other coaching options.
I agree, wholeheartedly
This Tech program is on the upswing. Heck, overall, per another post the other day, we are among the top performers nationwide overall, for all sporting events. I feel we do have the right people in place, head coaches, that is, to lead us into the very elite, especially in football, baseball, and mens’ and womens’ basketball and track. More later. gotta go—-wife is calling……….(:P
TTpilk
not sure about men's basketball
I am not sold on Pat Knight yet.
I consider Mark Turgeon to be an average to above average basketball coach, and I believe Knight is 0-3 against him in regular season play, 1-3 overall (the one win being in the conference tournament last year).
I do think Roberson and Singletary give y’all a nucleus to build around, though.
Women’s basketball, I think Curry is the victim of unfortunate circumstances. Following a local legend in Sharp is difficult enough, but Curry has to compete with Gary Blair at A&M, Kim Mulky at Baylor, and Gail Goestenkors at texas for recruits in this state. That means Curry has to compete against three of the best women’s basketball coaches in the nation for recruits and wins; I don’t think any other conference can match the coaching lineup we have in the Big 12, in Texas alone.
As for baseball, I think Spencer was a very good hire, and you’ll being to see results of that next season.
agree and disagree
I would have to say that I feel much more confident about our football and baseball outlooks than our basketball. I think that, over the years, Leach has steadily improved our program to the point the we are on the brink of being a consistent Big 12 / National title contender. I think that if he stays for years to come, seasons like the 2008 one will be the norm for us. I think that Dan Spencer is a great hire. He has the right mind set, has been to and won the college world series, and is an alumnus which always helps. I think that if he can start winning, we will see an increase in the talent of our players and eventually more funding for the program. I think in 4 years baseball will be back where it was in they Hays golden years. I am not sold on Pat Knight nor am I on Kristy Curry. Pat is going to have to do a lot of proving this year to show that he is legit. I think that Kristy is the coach that has the most to prove this year, after that I think it’s Pat.
I can now see...
Why Tech decided to hire Coach Curry. Just depressing that type of success did not follow her to Lubbock. Sounds like an outstanding coach, guess her coaching methods have not grasped the Lady Raiders like they did in Purdue…
http://www.texastech.com/sports/w-baskbl/mtt/curry_kristy00.html
As for Coach Pat Knight. That was his first season has a Head Coach, period. It’s tough for a 1st year Basketball Coach to come into the BIG 12 and strive for a successful season. I say give him another 3 seasons… if things do not take a turn for the better, start looking around.
As for Coach Curry… very successful as she was in Purdue, it did not go along for the ride to Lubbock. Maybe a couple more seasons, due to her accomplishments as a young coach in the BIG 10. Remember it took Coach Sharp about 6-7 years to turn that program into National Contenders. If Curry can turn this program around in the next 2 seasons, the wait will be worth it.
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