Texas Tech coach Mike Leach delivers knuckleballs at Big 12 media day - ESPN
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Tortilla Pirate
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Playoffs !?!
Good catch Tortilla Pirate. Always enjoy a little Leach rant around this time in the afternoon. DMN didn’t say much about this on their coverage. Neither did the official Big 12 notes and quotes link. Guess some folks are uncomfortable with bucking the BCS freight train.
Maybe this a topic for another thread
…but.
I LOATHE the three card monty game the BCS runs on people they call a national championship. The REAL losers are NOT the ut’s of the world. Theyre gonna whine and cry no matter what. The real losers are all the teams that have great seasons and miss an opportunity to play their way back into the game after a bad loss. Or teams that simply get no love and never had a shot into a BCS bowl anyway.
The BCS works SO hard to end up with a 1-2 matchup in their farce of National Title Game that everyone will be satisfied (“yeah, those teams ARE the best two teams in the nation”) and shut the fu¢k up. Well I say, “we’re not gonna take it anymore.”
Who remembers Kansas and Mizzou of 2007? Who is to say which of those teams could have played their way back into contention in a playoff format? This would make up for the fact that BOTH of these teams went from playing for something on the night they played each other(which mizzou won), the night Mizzou played OU (only to lose), to playing for NOTHING on New Year’s Day. and i don’t wanna HEAR that “every saturday is a playoff” bull$hit we always hear from the BCS bootlickers on, espn, foxsports, etc…
Even our Red Raiders might have played their way back into contention if they knew the terrible loss to the sooners wasn’t the end of their hopes.
The rouse that the BCS runs by inviting non-bcs teams to the party as a way to cover their a$$es is starting to lose its effectiveness. The Hawaii’s of the world who show up only to get throttled have turned into the Boise St’s and Utahs who show up and throttle the BCS big boys.
I say an 4-8 team playoff is good enough. Enough to where a team can feel good about playing their way back into a #4 spot. Instead of grumbling about falling OUT of the NCGame and playing a meaningless game and managing to hold on to said spot.
You take your Alabama, Utah, and your Texas Techs and throw them into a playoff and have a Utah/Alabama MEAN something instead of a farcical Sugar Bowl trophy.
Wreck 'em, Tech!
by Tortilla Pirate on Jul 29, 2009 5:15 PM CDT reply actions
I will put away my soapbox now
whew!
Wreck 'em, Tech!
by Tortilla Pirate on Jul 30, 2009 9:48 AM CDT up reply actions
Even our Red Raiders might have played their way back into contention if they knew the terrible loss to the sooners wasn’t the end of their hopes.
But the bottom line is they still had their chance to beat them, and that game was essentially a playoff game for us (along with KU, UT, OSU, etc.) . Why should we get another chance to try and prove ourselves after such a humiliating defeat? Plus, they would still probably have no hope left for playoff games even if they could play in one, considering they didn’t have any for Baylor or Ole Miss after that OU beatdown.
have a Utah/Alabama MEAN something instead of a farcical Sugar Bowl trophy.
I don’t know about everyone else, but I would LOVE for Tech to win a “farcical” sugar bowl trophy sometime pretty soon.
that game was essentially a playoff game for us (along with KU, UT, OSU, etc.) .
Exactly my point. in no other sport is an early season game such as our KU game or UT’s Red River game, which was even EARLIER, considered a playoff game. That is the problem I have with it. TOO many people take this “every week is a playoff” as a given and accept it. We will have to disagree on that one.
I would LOVE for Tech to win a "farcical" sugar bowl trophy
Dont misunderstand me. I would love for our Red Raiders to be IN one of those BCS Bowls under the current system. But if we were a perenniel BCS contender, which I hope we are soon, my point holds up exactly.
From where we stand NOW a Sugar Bowl INVITE would be sweet let alone a win. A few years down the road after becoming more established missing out on a NCG and settling for a 3vs4 bowl or less would feel pretty empty. Consider this. A 3vs4 bowl is the worst because its in the same city/stadium as the NCG. A game everyone is looking forward to and NOT yours.
While everyone agrees that the polls and computers "go it right’ picking the two best teams last year, who is to say those two teams would have made it to said Title Game in an eight team playoff? Under last year’s poll Fla, OU, UT, Bama, USC, PennSt, Utah, and TxTech ALL make the playoffs. Can we really assume the gators and sooners make the Championship Game? Id hate to put money on that.
Wreck 'em, Tech!
by Tortilla Pirate on Jul 30, 2009 10:14 AM CDT reply actions
in no other sport is an early season game such as our KU game or UT’s Red River game, which was even EARLIER, considered a playoff game. That is the problem I have with it.
I guess we will need to disagree on that one, because I happen to be one of the rare people who loves this aspect of College football and believes that it makes the sport truly unique from anything else from a perspective of being more exciting and dramatic.
While everyone agrees that the polls and computers "go it right’ picking the two best teams last year, who is to say those two teams would have made it to said Title Game in an eight team playoff? Under last year’s poll Fla, OU, UT, Bama, USC, PennSt, Utah, and TxTech ALL make the playoffs. Can we really assume the gators and sooners make the Championship Game? Id hate to put money on that.
Well, based on the on-the-field performance of OU and FL, (avg. margin of victory, SOS, etc.) you could make the argument that the system very much DID get the title game right. But my contention with playoff supporters is always this: even a playoff system would have controversy around it in determining who should truly get to play in the title game, and if you take everything into consideration, there really is no “perfect” way to decide who should get to play for the national title every year. Take last year’s super bowl for example. Does it really seem totally accurate to believe that the Arizona Cardinals, a 9-7 team that got blown out more than once, were really the BEST team in the NFC? They lost SEVEN games!!! Let’s say that playoffs DID exist in college football. It would most likely put the top seed (#1 Florida) against the bottom seed (#8 Utah). If Utah happens to lose to Florida, but the next week Florida loses, who is to say that Utah couldn’t have beaten the team that Florida lost to? There really is no true way to know who is the best team in the nation, but rather who is the most impressive/consistent. This is why college football is so much more exciting. Each team in the national title hunt has to be at their best every week and put out the most dominant performance they can. In the NFL, you can slack your way into the playoffs. Now I know a college football playoff would be different in that only the top 8 teams would go, but you would still have the scenario where Texas Tech defeating #1 Texas on the last play of the game essentially means nothing, because both teams would have still made the playoffs. Instead, we took away UT’s chance to even participate. What could be better than that?
even a playoff system would have controversy around it in determining who should truly get to play in the title game, and if you take everything into consideration, there really is no "perfect" way to decide who should get to play for the national title every year. Take last year’s super bowl for example.
A-Ha!!! Therein lies the problem. For all the controversy you say existed about Arizona, they DID win on the field and therefore no one questioned their legitimacy. In fact their on field performance on super bowl sunday VALIDATED their presence there.
If Utah happens to lose to Florida, but the next week Florida loses, who is to say that Utah couldn’t have beaten the team that Florida lost to? There really is no true way to know who is the best team in the nation, but rather who is the most impressive/consistent.
Again this mode of thinking is UNIQUE to college football. Here unique does NOT equal better. To say unique is what makes college football better, exciting, intriguing is only to justify the inequities inherant in the system.
in the NFL teams who lose in the Divisional round very often say, “i cant believe we lost to those clowns, we could have beaten the team the clowns lost to.” That isnt a bad thing. But to lose on the field where it counts defangs that argument immediately.
Texas Tech defeating #1 Texas on the last play of the game essentially means nothing, because both teams would have still made the playoffs
True, but dont misrepresent the situation here. Under more of a playoff mode of thinking a #7 beating a #1 means #7 takes over that spot. Tech didnt take the #1 spot from Texas and EVEN I didnt think we should have. If, as you say, teams are under pressure to perform EVERY week, then do it under a playoff system as well. What is the difference?
We agree that the #1 and #2 matchup was right. We also agree that under a playoff system the same two teams likely make the final game. What I am saying is that UTexas the #3 team plays Ohio freakin State? #10? Im sorry, that IS meaningless.
If we take the BCS rankings pre bowl we have:
1 OU vs
8 Penn St
3 Texas vs
6 Utah
5 USC vs
4 Bama
7 Texas Tech vs
2 Florida
The possibilities are ENDLESS. I would take the possibilities of this bracket NO MATTER WHAT the consequences over a meaningless #3 vs #10 matchup. Could anyone really question the legitimacy of champion even if the champion emerges from a Penn St vs Texas Tech matchup?
Wreck 'em, Tech!
by Tortilla Pirate on Aug 3, 2009 10:18 AM CDT up reply actions
















