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Parsing Kent Hance's Fairy Tale


In Texas Tech Chancellor Kent Hance’s interview with the Lubbock Avalanche Journal over the the weekend, Hance sets out to explain the decision to fire Mike Leach.

Hance lays out an 11 day time line beginning Saturday, December 19 which led to the December 30th dismissal of Mike Leach, who had been head coach for 10 years.

Star-divide

On Saturday, December 19, Hance receives word from current Chairman of the Board of Regents that Craig James was upset about the alleged mistreatment of his son, Adam James, who had been diagnosed with a minor concussion.

Over the next two days, on Sunday and Monday, December 20-21, Texas Tech’s in-house attorney collects statements from Craig James, Adam James, the physician, the trainers and Coach Leach.  (Personally, I find it curious that the attorney even bothered to collect a statement from Craig James who at no time was anywhere within the vicinity of the alleged incident).

On Tuesday, December 22, the in-house attorney, who Hance now describes as the investigator (and whose identity and qualifications are unknown), reports back with preliminary findings.

The Board of Regents conducts a conference call to discuss the allegations.

Based on these two-days' worth of statements collected by the attorney, some members of the Board of Regents, according to Hance, recommend Leach’s termination.

Hance communicates the outcome of the Board of Regents discussion to Mike Leach. Hance further explains that the (still unproven) allegations against Leach will result in some sort of reprimand. Hance describes Leach’s reaction as visceral.  

On Saturday, December 26, Leach meets with Myers and Bailey. Myers and Bailey ask Leach to sign a drafted letter, which Leach refuses to do. 

Let’s see if we can determine why Leach would not sign a letter (which has been misconstrued to be a letter of apology to Craig James and Adam James). 

The Letter’s opening premise:

As you know, we have been conducting an inquiry into allegations by a student athlete that your treatment of him, subsequent to his being diagnosed with a mild concussion, may have been injurious to his health and served no medical and/or educational purposes. Texas Tech takes these allegations very seriously. In addition to being unacceptable, if proven, these allegations constitute a breach of your employment contract.

Comments:  Bailey and Myers confirm that the allegations against Leach are not yet proven.

So that we can carry out an inquiry that takes into account the safety of our student athletes and in addition, that is fair to the students, yourself, and the university, we have determined that you must abide by the following guidelines from this day forward:"

Comments:  Let’s pause for a moment.  Per Myers and Bailey, the allegations against Leach are not yet proven.  They state their intention is to conduct an inquiry.  They state that Leach must abide by a set of four guidelines going forward (discussed below),  and that following those guidelines is necessary to conduct the inquiry.  We’ll review the guidelines individually, but the inherent assumptions of this statement are flawed.

The statement suggests that Leach was not previously abiding by the following guidelines, which in itself is a tacit admission of wrongdoing by Leach. Furthermore, none of the guidelines set forth would preclude the administration from conducting an inquiry in any case.

These guidelines include (the first guideline was crossed out, so we’ll ignore it):

2. Any player claiming an injury will be examined by a physician and cleared in writing prior to practicing or playing. Decisions regarding whether an injury warrants suspension from practice and/or play will be determined by a physician without pressure from you or your staff."

Comments: The first part of this guideline does not appear to be a deviation from normal practice.  It is probably safe to presume that players are already examined and cleared by a physician.  It is also probably safe to presume that a player’s treatment and release is documented.  The clause  ‘without pressure from you or your staff,’ however, suggests that Leach and his staff have some sort of history of pressuring physicians and trainers which has not been alleged, is not documented, and is not otherwise proven.    

3. You must recognize that the players you are working with are student athletes and that you have an obligation to treat them with respect and further to conduct yourself in a manner consistent with your position as an instructor of students.

4. You must at all times assure the fair and responsible treatment of student athletes in relation to their health, welfare, and discipline, and if you are not doing so, you must immediately cease any actions not in compliance with this provision of your contract."

Comments:  There is nothing to suggest that Leach does not already comply with these guidelines.  Listing these guidelines here suggests that Leach has not previously complied with them. 

5. There will be no retaliation against any student who has suffered an injury.

Comments:  This guideline is probably the most inflammatory.  The suggestion that Leach has previously retaliated against injured players is outrageous and unsubstantiated.   No individual of sound mind and judgment would ever sign a document with such a self-incriminating assertion.

Ok, now back to Hance’s statement.

Hance also states that he wanted a firm guarantee from Leach that mistreatment of a player with a ‘brain concussion’ (is there any other kind?) would not occur again. 

Again?

Firstly, Hance’s statements are not reflected in the above letter, but if true, would presume that Leach had previously mistreated a player with a concussion, which has yet to be proven.  Hance’s request for a guarantee from Leach is the equivalent of asking you to guarantee that you stop abusing your spouse. Again.  Even if you’ve never done so. It is an absurd request.

On Monday, December 28th Hance and Myers suspend Leach, just two days after presenting a letter which stated that the University was about to commence an inquiry into allegations that had not yet been proven. 

Hance notes that Leach was not communicating with the Administration. 

Apparently, those two whole agonizing days since presenting the letter felt like an eternity to Hance et al. They could not bear waiting any longer.

Not five more days until the $800,000 contract bonus kicked in. 

Not six more days until the Alamo Bowl was concluded. 

As a measure of last resort, having exhausted all other options, it appears that Hance, Myers and Co had come to the gut wrenching conclusion that they had no other choice but to suspend Leach. 

I can only begin to imagine the hours of sleep that the Tech administration must have lost over their decision.

On Tuesday, December 29th in an effort to overturn the suspension, Leach’s attorney files  a request for a temporary restraining order.  

Hance, however, characterizes Leach’s actions as ‘suing’ the university. If fact, Hance emphasizes "(Leach’s) response was a lawsuit. His response was to sue Texas Tech."

Now I realize it has probably been a long time since Hance (who received his law degree from the University of Texas) has seen the inside of a courtroom.  I will just go out a limb, however, and say that there is a better than even chance that Hance surely knows the difference between a request for temporary restraining order and a law suit. 

For those of you who are not lawyers (I am not a lawyer),  the rationale for a temporary restraining order is to restore the status quo ante; that is, to make whole again someone whose rights have been violated. Leach was asking that a judge lift the suspension to allow him to continue coaching until a proper investigation/hearing could take place -  an investigation that presumably requires more than taking a day-and-a-half worth of statements.

Lastly, Hance criticizes Leach for not ‘working with his boss’ to solve the problem. 

Yes, the final touch to the fairy tale.  Coach Leach - that irascible renegade - failing once again to conform to the entirely reasonable demands of the noble truth-seeking Administration. 

On Wednesday, December 30th a full three-days since presenting Leach the letter which had only referred to allegations, Leach's attorney was handed a termination notice.

The End.

Conclusion:   In summary, if we analyze Hance’s statement, Hance justifies Leach’s suspension and firing because Leach was uncooperative and because of Leach's alleged mistreatement of an injured player.

Leach would not sign a self incriminating letter. Nor was any proper investigation conducted.

If only Leach had cooperated. 

Surely things would be different.

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Days between presenting the letter and Leach’s suspension:  2

Days between presenting the letter and Leach’s termination: 3

Days for Due Process:  0

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Good Analysis

Hopefully, Leach will be vindicated and he, us (Tech fans & Alum) and the football team can move on successfully. Wreck Em.

by cweber7377 on Jan 11, 2010 8:13 AM CST reply actions  

Notice how the consumate politician even throws his belltower buddies under the bus?

Hance said “Bailey and Myers made the ultimate decision to fire Leach, Hance said, after a long conversation with him and with input from several regents.”
I take that to say, gosh fellas, this wasn’t my fault.

FIRE HANCE, FIRE BAILEY, and their little dog TOTO (Meyers) too.

by blackbeard on Jan 11, 2010 8:40 AM CST reply actions   2 recs

/sarc/ Don’t ya’ll know that everyone elected as a US representative is coated with teflon so nothing sticks to them /sarc/

by xwvr on Jan 11, 2010 9:46 AM CST up reply actions  

Thanks for the information. I will continue holding on to my money until all three are out. Just like I planned to do in the first place. It sickens me that Texas Tech University is run by such sorry people.

by Raider75 on Jan 11, 2010 8:55 AM CST reply actions   2 recs

Again excellent work London!!!

Can the administration be held negligent in their duties or in the law is there anything under an “abuse of power” statue? Or anything under not allowing " fair due process" etc…?

by Raiderit on Jan 11, 2010 8:56 AM CST via mobile reply actions  

Yes, London does great work !!

Question: Under what circumstances are citizens of the U.S. privileged the right of due process?

by TallMike on Jan 11, 2010 11:37 AM CST up reply actions  

That's a big question

The short version: The phrase essentially describes a sense of ‘fundamental fairness’ that had been historically recognized by the courts of England. It was incorporated into the U.S. Constitution in the 5th Amendment (“nor be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law”) and expanded to apply to the individual states in the 14th Amendment (“nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law”).

These Constitutional provisions are aimed at government actions only, not at any dispute between ordinary citizens, but since Tech is a state institution, there’s no need to go into all the rest of it.

"I’ve established a reputation for integrity. I have maintained those high standards" - Craig James

by TechFirst on Jan 11, 2010 4:39 PM CST up reply actions  

Follow Up

How is due process administered in the U.S.?

by TallMike on Jan 11, 2010 7:45 PM CST up reply actions  

Through the courts

It applies to all 3 branches of government, but ultimately the courts settle any disputes.

In this case the phrase has been tossed around to describe how Leach’s contract rights were violated. In one sense, he was not given the 10 days to correct any problems as set out in the contract. In another sense, the contract essentially gave either side the right to walk away, i.e. the school could fire him whenever they wanted for any reason. The kicker is that only a firing with cause would relieve the school of their obligation to pay the damages set out in the contract ($400K per year plus probably the $800K bonus).

"I’ve established a reputation for integrity. I have maintained those high standards" - Craig James

by TechFirst on Jan 11, 2010 8:37 PM CST up reply actions  

How is it administered in an employer/employee relationship at a government institution.

Post office, police department, high school district, county court employees, federal court employees, state court employees, FEMA employees….etc?

by TallMike on Jan 12, 2010 12:21 PM CST up reply actions  

Its all about an opportunity to be heard and a (fair) hearing

There’s a lot of additional minutia but about 98% of due process is the opportunity to be heard in a dispute with a government entity accompanied by the requirement that that “hearing” fairly considers the evidence before the hearing officer/body.

The opportunity to be heard fairly allows for a determination that processes, regulations etc. were followed. The details of what the “hearing” (it doesn’t always have to be a hearing, but can be exchange of briefs, etc. to a review board) vary all over the place as to procedure, but must meet standards of being a reasonable opportunity to present your case, be heard and have your case fairly decided.
A Yankee lawyer :-)

by NH(former)Raider on Jan 12, 2010 6:26 PM CST up reply actions  

Outstanding analysis

I hope those that continue to say that all would be ok if only Leach had signed the apology or worked with the admininstration read your post carefully. No one is bigger than the university- including Hance, Bailey and Gerald.
Ray Donovan, former Secretary of Labor, was falsely indicted for larceny and fraud. I keep thinking about his response as all of this unravels:
On May 25, 1987, Donovan (and all of the other defendants) were acquitted, after which Donovan was famously quoted as asking, “Which office do I go to get my reputation back?”
I hope Tuberville is a success and wish him the best of luck. But Mike Leach deserves to have his name cleared.

by San Antonio Red Raider on Jan 11, 2010 9:23 AM CST reply actions   1 recs

+1000

Unfortunately, admin apologists will simply counter this with their continued assertion that “there are things here you just don’t know”…

by raider realist on Jan 11, 2010 11:27 AM CST up reply actions  

timeline

Excellent analysis, the last three lines of the post are what really disturbs me 2 days till suspension, 3 days till firing and 0 days of due process. Your coach of ten years should get a little more of a fair shake.

Even if Leach wins his lawsuit or Tech settles with him will his name really be “cleared”

by jdangler on Jan 11, 2010 9:30 AM CST reply actions  

Great pass from across the pond

Excellent work from London. Can we ship our ADMIN over to your fine country—no insult intended?

by Ferrari2Fast4u on Jan 11, 2010 9:52 AM CST reply actions  

Before We MOve On...

Texas Tech University must first rid themselves of Hance, Myers, Bailey and those on the B.O.R. that were complicit with the unlawful termination of Mike Leach.

Tuberville is a great step forward, but we cannot continue to allow this leadership of the Administration and B.O.R. to remain. They must be removed immediately!

by MerkMusic on Jan 11, 2010 9:57 AM CST reply actions   1 recs

The Southeast Texas Political Review 2010

They have their own viewpoint for how things went down. I don’t agree with much of what the author states as his examples of “getting Hanced” are not backed up with specific examples.

It’s indicative, however, of just how much malice and anger these actions by the Admin have caused.

Thanks again London. You do the best jobs of using facts and drawing logical conclusions.

by rpowel2 on Jan 11, 2010 10:04 AM CST reply actions  

What London does a good job of....

is stating facts and not showing bias nor emotion in the analysis of those facts. I am too emotional on the subject and can’t do that….thanks much.
I’m laughing at “Hance describes Leach’s reaction as visceral”. In Kent’s vernacular…didn’t he say he gave me a good cussin’ and I decided to let Gerald and Guy(don’t call me Gus) get in on some of that. Bravo, Kent…..I can’t wait for your book on leadership.

by oldschoolraider on Jan 11, 2010 10:13 AM CST reply actions  

To think that at one time

I actually liked Hance. I guess he did a good job of “being a politician” and making others believe he is a nice guy/good ole boy from west tx. He also spoke at my graduation and seemed to be a really down to earth and nice guy. But now, he is becoming more and more like Mr. Burns from the simpsons.

by Wreck Em on Jan 11, 2010 10:34 AM CST via mobile reply actions  

Very good read.but..LET"S MOVE ON PLEASE

by slycanyon on Jan 11, 2010 11:00 AM CST reply actions  

I don't recall

This thread being forced upon you to read

by oldschoolraider on Jan 11, 2010 11:43 AM CST via mobile up reply actions  

No certainly not but I did and that is my opinion.let’s MOVE On

by slycanyon on Jan 11, 2010 11:58 AM CST up reply actions  

Great, you move on

This site is big enough for the move on crowd as well others.

by oldschoolraider on Jan 11, 2010 11:59 AM CST up reply actions  

I agree with old school. I may not want to hang around this topic either, but I think everyone’s voice should be heard how often and on whatever.

by Tech92 on Jan 11, 2010 11:59 AM CST via mobile up reply actions  

So my voice says lets move on.Lets us heal from this and move forward.Nothing can be done about Leach.We MIGHT change the Ad but I would rather put my efforts into supporting the team and looking forward to next year.

by slycanyon on Jan 11, 2010 12:06 PM CST up reply actions  

I think that is a great way to go...

I wouldn’t dream of telling you otherwise. My rather sizeable gut (which hasn’t let me down to this point) leads me to be convicted to withhold financial backing for now. I am the only person that is ‘hurt’ by this because I love everything that Tech (not just the athletics) stands for.

by oldschoolraider on Jan 11, 2010 12:37 PM CST up reply actions  

+1000 - Ditto, in Spades.

I graduated from three colleges. I have never donated to the other two, because I have donated to Tech. Now is a perfect opportunity to address that and await the actions of TTU administration.

As a resident of New Hampshire, the value to me is the reputation of my undergraduate education. That reputation is largely determined by colleagues’ knowledge of and the reputation of Tech. In Texas, that probably isn’t nearly as important as here in the cold reaches here in the upper right hand corner of the good ole US of A because Tech is a known entity. But, when I began working here a few years ago, no one had heard of Turly, errr Texas Tech.

In the Mike Leach era, you would be amazed at the number of colleagues that have come up to me and said, “Oh, that’s where you went to college. . . cool”. That didn’t happen by the superb efforts of Hance, Baily and (god forbid) Gerald Myers and the Bobby Knight saga.

That “ain’t” the message I’m getting now. It is now truly an embarrassment to to claim TTU as my college (as I do on my license plates). People from all around here are really giving me the business about “that stupid college you went to”. I’m willing to bet a good chicken fried steak and a tall one that other dispersed Texas Techsans are having similar experiences. That needs to be rectified.

Donations and public relations are our only tools. Football can come later and, I truly hope we are able to get back to that quickly. But not until we have answers and, more important, action to get to the bottom of all this and, if ultimately determined to be appropriate as I am pretty certain it will, Mike Leach is vindicated in the court of public opinion of any wrong doing and these elements of the administration are ousted.

by NH(former)Raider on Jan 12, 2010 6:59 PM CST up reply actions   1 recs

+1000

Strive for Honor Evermore! Unless you’re a Regent or Administrator…

by Campeador on Jan 13, 2010 1:52 AM CST up reply actions  

I’ve been struggling with this concept myself. My husband was active duty Air Force for 20 years. For the last 5 – 8 years of that service, we heard the phrase, “We support the troops, not the war.” It totally bogged my mind how you can supprt the troops but not their job. Now, here I am. I support Texas Tech Red Raiders and their athletic programs, but I don’t support the administration that allows the players to do what they do.

I will support my team, but not the admin. While I’m disgusted by what happened to Leach, Tuberville played no part in it. He gets my support as the new HC.

by Tech-ex: JB on Jan 11, 2010 12:47 PM CST up reply actions   1 recs

Believe me the AD heard from me loud and clear.My thought process for days was blinded with words like revenge,withhold,and (WALKWAY).To me that is what this ad wants us to do.Give up and walkaway.I loved ML.I knew that he would be here for quite sometime-WRONG.I have learned in life that you just can’t put all your eggs in one basket.Sometimes that baslet can be knocked out of your hand and left broken.you can’t fix a broken egg.All you can do is pick the basket back up and know that it will be full again.It is up to me to have the patients,will and heart to know that if I get knocked down,I can pick myself backup and move forward.No one is going to come along and wipe my nose and make things better.I have to do it.In this case I will keep my support financially,physically for my school.If we all stay mad and stay away,the AD will think they won.MOVING ON will show unity.What will you choose RAIDER FAITHFUL?BTW,I respect each and every opinion on this board.I may disagree but I do respect.

by slycanyon on Jan 11, 2010 2:21 PM CST up reply actions  

Sly is right

Did I read your post right?

The admin knocked the basket out of my hand and broke all the eggs. Let’s all unite, pick up the basket and have faith that the egg breakers will fill our baskets again with brand new eggs.

no wonder the Admin thought they could get away with breaking all your eggs, they knew you’d say thank you sir, may I have another.

GEAUX TIGERS!!!

by SouthernMan on Jan 11, 2010 2:44 PM CST up reply actions  

um
If we all stay mad and stay away,the AD will think they won.MOVING ON will show unity.

I think you got that backwards, chief.

by Beergut on Jan 11, 2010 4:38 PM CST up reply actions   1 recs

I think even those who aren’t ready to move on will still root for the team next fall. I don’t think those who want to see Leach carry out his lawsuit are not precluded from cheering from the team. But I’m with you, sly, I am choosing to look ahead to the new regime. Honestly, I feel this way mostly because I’m not an activist by nature and tend to think things will shake out how they will whether I speak up or not – especially in something like an employee/employer issue. Were this something like social injustice or something of a true political nature (political though this may be), I may feel different.

by Tech92 on Jan 11, 2010 2:10 PM CST up reply actions  

when it comes to being excited about the football in the fall

I’m actually the most excited I’ve ever been to see where we can go from here at this time of the year. I’ve usually put college ball on the backburner as baseball gets closer. I’m ready to move on when it comes to the team on the field.

But that in no way reduces my desire to see some sort of closure with the admin. If we can’t learn from our mistakes, we may be doomed to repeat them

by kevinkinsler on Jan 11, 2010 7:39 PM CST up reply actions  

When they are removed I will move on.

by Raider75 on Jan 11, 2010 5:24 PM CST up reply actions   1 recs

One more outsider's thought before I move on.

Coach Leach had a contract which spelled out the terms and conditions of his employment. The letter presented to Coach Leach had certain things spelled out in it which he had to agree to do. Those things either were in the original contract or they were not. If they weren’t, then he’s being asked to agree to additional contract terms, and he would in any event need to have his attorney look at the new proposed contract terms and determine whether any additional compensation was required, and if so, how much. If the items in the letter were already part of the original contract, then the administration had no need to present them to him. In that event, if he was violating the terms of the contract, the letter was unnecessary, and the administration didn’t need his signature or refusal to sign before taking whatever steps it felt necessary.

It seems to me that this whole letter business is a smoke screen.

OK, now I’ll move on. But I will be watching with great interest to see how this plays out (as will many others.) I wish you well, and I hope you get your biggest problems resolved (which don’t seem to me to be on the football field.) Best of luck from a Bruin.

by Fox 71 on Jan 11, 2010 11:10 AM CST reply actions   1 recs

See ya', Fox

Looks like the landscape is changing out in your neck of the woods, too.

"I’ve established a reputation for integrity. I have maintained those high standards" - Craig James

by TechFirst on Jan 11, 2010 11:30 AM CST up reply actions  

It's really kind of comical to see how the folks at $c are viewing it

I won’t try to characterize what they’re saying, but take a look at Conquest Chronicles. Apparently it’s all Mike Garrett’s fault.

I have to say that I’m not holding my breath waiting for any sanctions from the ncaa (an organization whose acronym I don’t think deserves capitalization.) They had all they needed in order to offer either the football or the basketball program a blindfold and a cigarette a years ago, but have done nothing. Ah, well. No one ever said life was fair.

It will be interesting to see how it all plays out for both our schools. Thanks to all here at DTN. You made me feel like I was welcome. Y’all come see us at Bruins Nation, y’hear. (See, I did learn something in West Texas.)

by Fox 71 on Jan 11, 2010 12:57 PM CST up reply actions   1 recs

In summary, if we analyze Hance’s statement, Hance justifies Leach’s suspension and firing because Leach was uncooperative and because of Leach’s alleged mistreatement of an injured player.

Leach maintained that what he did was not mistreatment. Oddly the thinking gets muddled around that word. Mistreatment most often means something like that guy mistreated his wife or his children or something in that context….after the counter punching started and the lawyering came in, the word was emphasized time and again as mis-treatement more in the medical sense of the word used as the doctor advised this form of treatment.

 —Didn’t Leach own up to the admins’s questions (I guess that was Hance) about what happened with James early in the ‘investigation?’ That he had James put in a dark place?…that alone is the issue. No, it didn’t hurt James, but it was taken by Hance, etal, to be wrong. That ‘wrong’ is the root of the argument. Importantly, what Mike admitted doing is sufficient for an employer to move forward—especially in the case of let’s get this done and over with with minimum noise…it could have happened then and there without a blow up…that lost opportunity was Mike’s. Whatever his response, the absolute worse thing that he could have done is to give the Chancellor a “good cussing.” He effectively alienated the strongest support he had available in the Admin with that one act.

Leach would not sign a self incriminating letter. Nor was any proper investigation conducted. If Mike had even talked about this letter to point out, in a calm manner, the parts which did fit, he might have gotten something more positive accomplished…that lost opportunity was Mike’s as well…although a more difficult one to see because it came from the AD, and there was likely too much bad air between them to be able to reason.

If only Leach had cooperated.
Surely things would be different.

And untolded members of his coaching staff would not be looking for a job…including his ‘best’ friend. Mike missed the big picture and a lot of people are unhappy.

by TallMike on Jan 11, 2010 11:31 AM CST reply actions   1 recs

I Think Mike Recognized a Railroad when he saw it

and you are naive to think things would have been different if Mike hadn’t ‘missed’ those opportunities.

GEAUX TIGERS!!!

by SouthernMan on Jan 11, 2010 11:40 AM CST up reply actions   1 recs

And so the writer of a discenting opinion is naive.

Why are you not able to present a thought in rebuttal ? Is that too difficult…or is name calling and attempts to discredit a writer the best you can do ?

by TallMike on Jan 11, 2010 3:15 PM CST up reply actions  

Saying you are naive to think such and such

is not ‘name’ calling. If I had said you are an idiot who is also naive THAT would have been name calling.

GEAUX TIGERS!!!

by SouthernMan on Jan 11, 2010 5:11 PM CST up reply actions  

I can take being and idiot…that implies I simply don’t have anything.

But naive, that one makes me think I might have something but cannot apply it, that one hurts !!!

Name calling=noun but not adjective ?

by TallMike on Jan 11, 2010 7:48 PM CST up reply actions  

It certainly fits...

Well, Hance was the Texas Railroad Commissioner from 87-91, so I guess it fits that he’s good at it…

by mkbryant on Jan 11, 2010 11:52 AM CST up reply actions  

I now disllike Hance even more.

The Railroad Commision is ______. They are also part of the reason that I dislike University Lands. They are also _______.

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by KWashburn on Jan 11, 2010 9:53 PM CST up reply actions  

what could have happened?

TallMike-
You say “it” could have happened.
especially in the case of let’s get this done and over with with minimum noise…it could have happened then and there without a blow up…that lost opportunity was Mike’s.

What could have happened? They quietly terminate him on the spot? Or, the situation is resolved?

by San Antonio Red Raider on Jan 11, 2010 11:45 AM CST up reply actions  

I remain convinced based on what I have read of both this year’s saga and last season’s contract resolution that Hance wanted Leach as coach. I think Hance saved our coach last year.

We have been presented with a report by a guy who was able to get Hance to talk about what happened, so we are reading what the reporter chose to present…fair and balanced ? Who knows. But the point is that Hance had Leach’s ear for a moment, the same Hance who went out of his Chancellor’s role to resolve a contract in the face of a BoR who had members ready to fire him in the moment last year. Hance tried his best, however adequate, to talk with Leach in order to get some form of resolution to a problem—it does not matter who or what the problem was—it was the Chancellor who made the call, not the AD. Mike we have a problem, help me solve it. Or Mike you screwed up, what are you going to do? Or who knows the words, but the Chancellor, not the AD, was was again stepping out of his role to work with a football coach that he wanted…and for his efforts, futile, feeble, effective, ineffective, certainly with what ever tact he was able to produce in that moment, got a ‘good cussing’ for his efforts…that is just not good form and will clearly alienate the very best of callers.

It was not a ‘they’ making the call, it was one person, the Chancellor…that is a major point, one person who was doing the task that normally would have been handled by the AD, a personal jesture…could Mike have said to himself, cripes what is this issue? How important is this issue in the scheme of things? Do I serve justice to my program by making a small jesture on behalf of my Chancellor and my program by making some kind of small concession to a troublesome dad and figure out a smarter way to deal with him and his son later?

You know that I cannot say what would have happened…the thoughts of what could have happened is limited by the number of imaginations considering the subject. It could have gone another direction for sure. I say that without giving odds. The point remains that the window of opportunity was lost because the reaction of the HC was not a considered reaction but a reactive hostile one.

I lament the whole deal…but I too search for truth…and I refuse to allow my emotions or my anger to lead me to start on a path that I cannot find logic to follow…we will never know the truth as absolutely as we would like, that is asking the impossible, people say things in the moment and simply cannot accurately remember the words or do something and cannot remember. I have a lot of career experience in investigating failures, it is amazing what good people miss when asked what happened. And it requires great effort to not form an opinion along the way…the success does comes with patience and detail…the ‘connecting the dots’…when the story finally reveals itself through verifiable fact. I must point out that it impossible to resolve he said / she said.

by TallMike on Jan 11, 2010 3:38 PM CST up reply actions   1 recs

Hance tends to "step out of his role" a little too often...

I have intimate knowledge of the goings on inside the administration building, and from what I hear, Hance does this far too often. He tries to micro-manage Texas Tech University. He has “fired” (ie, they’ve been forced to resign) deans, the provost, he even fired his own pr guy after he was hired 9 months prior. Hance spends far too much time running the University, which, to make a point, is not his domain. He is the chancellor of the System. He runs Texas Tech with a “you do what I say, when I say it, or you’re gone” mentality. Think of him as west Texas’ own Jerry Jones.

Leach may have been “out of line”, but he had a very good reason to be. He undoubtedly saw the writing on the wall, and it said they were gonna fire him anyway. He probably even sat in that meeting with Myers and Bailey, and asked for a way out, quietly, peacefully. Clearly, he had, at least attempted to, keep his options open (with all of his looking around). They had decided he was done, and they were gonna make it ugly. Wouldn’t you be a little upset and irate if you’re boss was trying to screw you over, and there was nothing you could do about it?

by mkbryant on Jan 11, 2010 4:39 PM CST up reply actions  

You may be accurate

but I do not see the evidence of it.

by TallMike on Jan 11, 2010 7:52 PM CST up reply actions  

No kidding

From an objective viewpoint, why in the heck is the Chancellor involved at all? And, why did it appear that Hance was leading the negotiations with IMG on Leach’s last contract? I believe it is an extreme anomaly for the Chancellor to be that involved in operational issues. Which defaults to AD Meyer and his incapacity in the job.

by DFWTrojan on Jan 11, 2010 11:17 PM CST up reply actions  

Thanks for your comments TallMike

I would say that one only needs to look as far as the dismissal of the University of Southern Florida football coach, as a fine example of how to handle allegations of a coach’s misconduct towards a player.

No one is talking about the USF Administration’s handling of the matter. There are no Facebook pages with 60,000 Team Leavitt members.

USF conducted a proper investigation, afforded due process to the Coach, collected facts and proved their case. The coach’s misconduct was duly proven.

Here, not so much.

by LondonRaider on Jan 11, 2010 1:13 PM CST up reply actions  

Thanks, London, I appreciate your comments and your research.

My background is a lot different than yours, I worked as an engineer in the chemical industry. Lawyers and engineers have very different perspectives…a good thing, taken together good results can occur.

I must admit full ignorance of what happened at USF.

by TallMike on Jan 11, 2010 3:42 PM CST up reply actions  

I had to come back to this London

LOL, you suppose the folks at USF may have had more to work with…on both sides of the table ???

by TallMike on Jan 11, 2010 4:04 PM CST up reply actions  

In the wrong

All the folks I hear talk about Leach being in the wrong say that he “locked a hurt kid in a shed”. I never heard that there was an issue with having James put in a dark place, since that is the treatment for light sensitivity associated with concussion.

I tell them the head trainer’s affidavit says that Leach didn’t choose the shed, the trainer did, that the trainer told the kid to stay out of the electrical closet, and that the door wasn’t locked, but there were trainers that checked on him regularly. After that most of them look at me funny and wonder why Leach was fired.

I’m not sure what opportunity Leach lost there, or even what his employer could have moved forward with at that point.

by Chharland on Jan 11, 2010 2:26 PM CST up reply actions  

The point is that one does not put another person in a small shed. That act plus the background that it is unique, at least based on what I have read, to the treatment of any other concussion, puts it in a bad light ( hey, I made a pun !! ).

You know we as a society use that as a punishment…solitary confinement, that is in the background albeit not necessarity a conscieous thought, it is there…so whether or not it was overtly harmful, it is wrong in a normal circumstance.

Put yourself in that dark spot, under similar circumstances, put your child in that spot under similar circumstances…I mean take a moment and think it.

No, it is not harmful, it is wrong…and it is not treatment for concussion….we all know better than that. Please allow yourself to think in terms other than what happened on that field when considering concussions or correction.

by TallMike on Jan 11, 2010 3:49 PM CST up reply actions  

Actually, I did try very much to empathize with the James family. I have a teenage son that plays high school sports. And I may have a problem with a coach punishing my son in this manner.

However, as I stated above, the trainer’s own affidavit says that he, not Leach, chose the locations. And the trainer claims he told James to stay out of the electrical closet. Everything that I’ve read says that they haven’t ever put a player in that shed for light sensitivity, but they have put them in darkened rooms, including the media room that James was supposed to stay in the second day.

I feel that I have allowed myself to think in the terms you suggest. I’ve simply come to a different conclusion once adding a small (many folks still miss this) fact: “The trainer chose the locations.”

Does that one fact not change how you see this situation?

by Chharland on Jan 11, 2010 6:33 PM CST up reply actions  

TallMike knows this fact. It just doesn't matter to him.He made himself pretty clear...

under no circumstances do you put another person in a small shed! He changed the word from Mike Leach to “you” so that he can continue to take the high road, as self appointed czar of whats fair.

by raider realist on Jan 11, 2010 7:04 PM CST up reply actions  

I understood that the trainer chose the locations

and told Mike who approved. But the detail of this part of the incident is not what I believe that got Mike Leach fired. It is how he responsed to the Chancellor.

by TallMike on Jan 11, 2010 7:57 PM CST up reply actions  

Man if you don't get a little more jacked up when I provoke you,

this relationship will never work…

Due to some genetic flaw, my a** puckers when I get the feeling that someone is claiming any moral highground, (ie: you never put someone in a small shed, just for starters). Then its like I get turrets, just blurt out with my fingers, I really have no control.

So let me put this to you in my honest attempt to deal with my syndrome.. I think that you’ve demonstrated that you have a bias, like all of us do, but I think your not honest about it. You think Leach is a dick, and deserved to be fired. I think Hance is a dick and deserves to be fired. You hear the trainer say he was the one that put James in the shed, yet you will continue to argue that it was Mike that needs to take the fall and you’ll find a way to justify your bias, we can endlessly bat this back and forth but it’s bias, no better or worse than my own. I fully cop to mine. I can exist happily with anyone that thinks the pirate got what he deserves. But I’ll just keep twitchin out these snarky replies until you admit that you are just as emotionally tainted by this whole deal as I am.

by raider realist on Jan 11, 2010 8:47 PM CST up reply actions  

I don't give a hang for Hance or Myers or Bailey

I have my own quirks as well. I find myself often contrarian in these type of discussions…especially when there is so much being presented from one side of an argument. The other side being represented is more often than not a good route to get a real discussion going, so sometimes I do that…it took me a while to step into this one.

I do not know Leach or Hance well enough to think anything about what they are, I can speak to what I have read and extracted as reasonable to my experience and try to present that in a reasonable manner…which sometimes works and sometimes not.

I have repeatedly made comments that the whole thing is sad…it is lamentable, and realistically stuff like this happens everywhere.

Finally, and most importantly to me, this is only college football, a sport, something to be injoyed, a diversion with intent to have fun…it is not very important at the end of the day.

And I do look for a high road…that is what I was taught at a very young age and it is fully a part of me. If I have ever seemed condesending, I heartly apologize, that is as ugly as forgetting that there can be honor in how we treat each other.

If you want to get further into beliefs, I will avail myself to your interest via private means, this is not the forum for that.

by TallMike on Jan 12, 2010 9:30 AM CST up reply actions  

Thanks for this, TallMike -

Once again, I am aligned with your views on this. I just find it difficult to look at this mess as “black-and-white”. That is, it is definitely NOT as simple as painting Hance as a self-serving doofus and Leach as a helpless victim. None of us on this board have any information, other than second, third or fourth-hand. And, yet there is a very strong opinion among a lot of folks here that it’s just cut-and-dried, plain-and-simple that the Tech admin is the ultimate culprit in ALL of this.

While the actual, substantiated truth could well prove that perspective to be true (and I would be shocked if it did), there is not nearly enough hard evidence to show that is the case. It may be that Leach and the Tech admin won’t work out a settlement (again – I’d be shocked) and we’ll all get to see the ugly, sordid facts brought out, item by item. Which would be a very unfortunate result for all involved.

As mentioned by others, I think highly of the folks who do contribute to this very well-run forum. I just wanted to place my voice in support of TallMike in this instance and say ‘Thank You’.

"Fearless champions ever be; Stand on heights of victory"

by Let's Go Tech! on Jan 11, 2010 3:36 PM CST up reply actions  

Thank you Let's Go Tech

This is a great forum !

It cannot be black and white, not much is.

It could have been handled better, all things can be.

It is a source of great lament to many, many good people who are hurt or angry or both.

There is great value in accepting that which one cannot reasonable expect to change and try find something good to enjoy in the day.

by TallMike on Jan 11, 2010 3:53 PM CST up reply actions  

Me thinks Tall Mike and Let's go Tech

are admin employees in disguise.

GEAUX TIGERS!!!

by SouthernMan on Jan 11, 2010 5:17 PM CST up reply actions   1 recs

Wow

No clue how to respond – how ’bout “Wrong”?

"Fearless champions ever be; Stand on heights of victory"

by Let's Go Tech! on Jan 11, 2010 8:38 PM CST up reply actions  

I agree?

Here, I agree with you.

It is obviously complicated. And many people were hurt on all sides of this mess.

But, personally, I just don’t have it in me to think there are things I cannot change (or at least help change). So I’ll find something good to enjoy every day, but continue to do what ever I can, in what ever measure I have available, to make changes I feel are needed.

Thanks for your input. This would be a boring world without dissenting views.

by Chharland on Jan 11, 2010 6:37 PM CST up reply actions  

The Admin is guilty of doing the same thing they accused Leach of doing

Leach, without much thought, made a knee-jerk decision on a problem player he’d been dealing with for awhile.

Admin, without much thought, made a knee-jerk decision on a problem employee they’d been dealing with for awhile.

by Red Raider in South GA on Jan 11, 2010 11:46 AM CST reply actions   2 recs

+1

NCAA Football Grad. Rate: Texas Tech 79%, Baylor 78%, Oklahoma State 62%, Texas A&M 56%, Texas 50%, OU 46%

by Tech Pirate on Jan 11, 2010 11:51 AM CST up reply actions  

Very astute observation

But Adam James did not loose his position, or suffer any finacial loss. Although his reputation has suffered, as has coach Leach.

by Llanonite on Jan 11, 2010 4:03 PM CST up reply actions  

I imagine James has lost any chance of getting any in Lubbock.

Not that he had a chance in the first place.

Sorry for the rude remark. I’m still incredibly dissapointed in this kid as a player and as a human being.

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by KWashburn on Jan 11, 2010 9:56 PM CST up reply actions  

Excellent Review

I will cease financially donating until this cabal is gone.
Meanwhile, I will vocally support the team and coach TT.

Has anyone investigated the possibly of an obscure money trail from the stadium construction to the constriction maggot who seems to own TTU?

It could, of course, go through several front companies.

Just sayin . . . . .

by MadDog2020 on Jan 11, 2010 12:08 PM CST reply actions  

Visceral Response

The new information which stood out to me from the release of the timeline was the “visceral response” description by Hance of Coach Leach’s reaction. Similar to the discrepancy between Leach’s version and the trainer’s version of Leach’s instructions to the trainer. To me, this was probably a major motivating factor in the release of the timeline.

When I analyze the quality of a civil case, I look for 4 things: 1) liability, 2) damages, 3) ability to respond to a judgment (deep pockets), and 4) either an unlikable Defendant or a likable Plaintiff. I didn’t learn this in any law school class. It’s more of a practical rule of thumb.

What I see Hance doing with his description of Leach’s profane response is trying to give Tech the advantage on 4). Yeah, we broke the law, but Leach is a bad guy who deserved it. Kind of a reverse jury nullification argument (See O. J. Simpson). A colleague of mine a few years ago was able to hang a jury in a case where his client shot a coon hunter in the back by getting into evidence the fact that the coon hunter was known for being cruel to dogs. The reason why this evidence was admissible is too long for me to detail in this comment. Suffice it to say, he got it in front of the jury, who then allowed his client to walk. Kind of like the Chicago musical “he had it coming” idea.

Hance is saying that Leach is a mutinous scalawag. Yeah, Tech may have violated his rights, but he deserved it, and his “visceral” response is proof of that. Ladies and gentlemen of the jury, give this man $1 and send him on his way.

The problem with this approach is that “two wrongs don’t make a right”. Even if Leach was a high maintenance employee, it didn’t justify a blatant disregard of the man’s rights as a coach, employee, and human being. Hance may be overplaying his hand. We shall wait and see…

by Oklahoma Red Raider on Jan 11, 2010 12:11 PM CST reply actions   1 recs

on another note...

I wonder if Mike peppered in any “Just do your job” jabs as he was viscerally cussing out Hance. DO….YOUR….JOB….

by San Antonio Red Raider on Jan 11, 2010 12:22 PM CST up reply actions  

I can see Hance....

looking up visceral on his word of the day calendar.

by oldschoolraider on Jan 11, 2010 12:31 PM CST up reply actions  

It's never been clear to me that Mike's "visceral" response was directed AT the Chancellor...

Was he cussing about the situation? Cussing about what he thought about CJ and AJ? Cussing about how he’s being treated? Calling someone else cuss words? Who? Hance? Or someone else? The regents who think he should be fired?
I have a very hard time saying what I think about this whole situation without cussing…! And I try to make it a personal rule to NEVER cuss… And this isn’t even about my livelihood and life’s work…

by Houston Raider on Jan 11, 2010 11:05 PM CST up reply actions  

He Need'ed a killin'

Okie, I agree with you. Hance’s response is the same as the old murder defense of "he needed a killin’.

Leach cussed him out and needed a Killin’!

by NH(former)Raider on Jan 12, 2010 7:17 PM CST up reply actions  

don't want to turn this into a quote fest...

but couldn’t resist. I think my 2 favorite ML quotes:

1. "If you get into a fight, don’t take your helmet off. We’re looking for smart football players, not dumb ones."

2."I told him to fix his helmet, which I thought was a pretty good coaching point at the time."

by San Antonio Red Raider on Jan 11, 2010 12:42 PM CST reply actions  

Overlay the James/Spaeth Communications Timeline . . .

and it really makes one take pause and consider the choreography of this production. I would like to see FOI requests for any communication arising from within the Chancellor’s office with mention of “Spaeth Communications”. At this point, I believe the name was mentioned prior to December 19 and an introduction of Craig James and Merrie Spaeth facilitated around that time; however, I believe the Chancellor and staff to be too savvy for there to be a traceable record.

by CRV on Jan 11, 2010 1:39 PM CST reply actions  

Due process

Zero! That is what is most damning about this whole thing.
The worst nightmare may be Leach reappearing at A&M or
Colorado. Being in that big of hurry to avoid paying a deserved
bonus sounds like retribution to me. Despite the new contract,
looks like he benefitted precious little. What gratitude for 10
years of hard work?

by Shinjiranai on Jan 11, 2010 2:26 PM CST reply actions  

Can’t see him on the Aggie sideline; too much bad blood between the current staff and too eccentric for the Ag boosters. As for CU, that could easily happen if Hawkins doesn’t right the course and the boosters and admin are as liberal as the rest of the school.

by CRV on Jan 11, 2010 2:32 PM CST up reply actions  

The Aggies made fun of him because he owned them. I think, all things considered, they’d be silly to not at least give him a glance. Especially if all they ask him to do is coach offense. He wouldn’t be required to be the face of that program…but he would be required to really step up his personal recruiting. Not sure he did a ton of that individually.

by Tech92 on Jan 11, 2010 2:35 PM CST up reply actions  

Hance

Our admin seems to be clearly in the wrong here and used this situation to rid themselves of Mike Leach for whatever reason…which sucks. I don’t know much about any of them but my brother-in-law works at the capitol and has seen Hance in action and says he is very smart and has a good reputation at the capitol.

So I asked him what he thought of the situation with Leach and he said he could only figure that the “good ol boy” mentality that Hance is also known for must have taken over. He said there may be more there than we know because he thinks Hance would be smarter than to leave himself (and the admin) so exposed by all the seeming knee-jerk reactions (see London’s last few lines).

We will all certainly see how it all unfolds. If they did indeed screw Leach the way it appears they have, then I hope they get what’s coming to them.

However, as Batch said…“Leach ain’t coming back.” Which is a fact. So, I’m hoping Tuberville puts a positive wrinkle on that offense and Auburn-izes our defense and we will the whole damn conference next year.

by Techsan71 on Jan 11, 2010 4:34 PM CST reply actions  

Bottom Line

You disobey directives from your boss, you get fired. Had Leach not forced their hand, the University does a complete investigation.

by raider05 on Jan 11, 2010 5:09 PM CST reply actions  

You mean if he signed a letter that

said he was guilty and IF the investigation agreed that he was guilty then he would be fired an his contract would not be honored?

Under NO circumstances could Mike have ‘complied’ because signing that letter would have ensured that he would not get paid. At least now he has a chance to get his money but the job was gone the second they drafted that letter.

GEAUX TIGERS!!!

by SouthernMan on Jan 11, 2010 5:23 PM CST up reply actions  

But did he even try

to negotiate a more reasonable letter ???

by TallMike on Jan 11, 2010 8:01 PM CST up reply actions  

How do you know he was never going to?

Maybe he was going to wait until after he won the bowl game?
He was kind of busy with other things at the time… The fact that he had to mess with all of this stuff at this time probably made him so mad he wanted to cuss someone out…!
Why couldn’t the admin wait until after the bowl game to address these issues? Say, for example, complete their investigation first?

by Houston Raider on Jan 11, 2010 11:19 PM CST up reply actions  

Sounded like it was offered "non-negotiable"

besides, if your employer asks you to sign a letter that basically says, “you’re guilty”, wouldn’t you feel that your employer has already established their position against you. exhibit A, expedient termination after letter request.

by DFWTrojan on Jan 11, 2010 11:22 PM CST up reply actions  

Mike Leach

was gone before he signed his present comment. See references to emails circulating at the time. That is why he degraded somewhat this year in his handling of things. I am sure he now realizes he should never have signed Adam James, but he is painfully aware, too, that no matter what he did, good or bad, he was a goner. I hope the players will eventually understand that any changes Leach made this year were probably precipitated by the lack of support at the admin level. Hance may have “saved” Leach’s job last year, but I’ll bet he knew full well what the final consequences were going to be, making him as much a part of the fraudulent activity that transpired. Why fraud? Because the contract agreement was made by the administration with no desire to follow up. That is fraud. I hate that this went on at the institution I grew up down the street from and attended for five years. I love the university and how it has been able to grow across the board. But the people in charge right now has not only let Leach down, but everyone else associated in some way with the university. Thus, this whole matter will not end nicely for Leach, the administration, the fans and most importantly the reputation of Texas Tech. I don’t know where Mike Leach goes after this is over, but I sure hope the people responsible for Texas Tech’s involvement will be dealt with swiftly and completely, with the notion that this type of leadership will never again be tolerated on the grounds of Texas Tech University.

TTpilk

by TTpilk645 on Jan 11, 2010 8:17 PM CST up reply actions  

The article on Hance's perspective made it sound

like Mike was guilty before they met. Hance never suggested that AJ may have been a slacker who deserved nothing more than to be secluded so he couldn’t continue to corrupt the team. Why hasn’t there been any discussion of the preciptating issue? If ML was wrong in his treatment of AJ, I want to hear about ML’s long term mistreatment.

by AllBeef on Jan 11, 2010 10:18 PM CST up reply actions  

Loving This Site!

Just a quick note to tell you “guys” that I love reading your opinions, analyses, etc. I am a lurker, not football savvy enough to have much input. But I am learning so much just by reading your comments! This is a great site, and I respect the intelligent remarks that I read. I have been so disappointed and infuriated about the way the Tech Admin. handled all of this. Mike Leach deserved bettter! Having said that, after listening to Tub’s press conference yesterday, I am excited about our Raiders’ future!

by TechLady on Jan 11, 2010 5:13 PM CST reply actions  

Welcome to DTN and please fee free to comment more often

We so need more female input into this testosterone-heavy site to help balance out perspectives.

by jeffinhouston on Jan 11, 2010 6:34 PM CST up reply actions  

"Testosterone Heavy"

Classic!

And yes, welcome to the site. Please forgive me in advance for my actions during live game threads. My wife isn’t proud either.

Enjoy yourself!

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by KWashburn on Jan 11, 2010 10:00 PM CST up reply actions  

Yea!!! I'm not alone!

I’ve been in the “shed” with revealing my true gender! My husband and I love Tech football. Thankfully, I know enough about the sport to participate on a small scale.

Thanks to the guys who, along with my husband, who educate me daily. And, I’m not offended at all by the guy humor on the game day threads. It’s actually comical.

by Tech-ex: JB on Jan 11, 2010 7:15 PM CST up reply actions  

Note to self

Watch out what you say on game day threads. [attempt at humor font]

"I’ve established a reputation for integrity. I have maintained those high standards" - Craig James

by TechFirst on Jan 11, 2010 8:42 PM CST up reply actions  

The calendar on the NC thread almost made me sick, but other than that, I can handle it. KWash, among others, cracks me up the most.

by Tech-ex: JB on Jan 11, 2010 9:02 PM CST up reply actions  

Crap........

Glad I could help. (slumping down in chair)

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by KWashburn on Jan 11, 2010 10:01 PM CST up reply actions  

Welcome aboard

"You've got to find your inner pirate" - Mike Leach

by Raider1992 on Jan 11, 2010 7:52 PM CST up reply actions  

If commenting were limited...

to those savvy enough to Intellegently comment, there probably wouldn’t be much to read.

by AllBeef on Jan 11, 2010 10:06 PM CST up reply actions  

I think for the most part, every member of this site can provide something intelligent.

It’s when we let our emotions get the best of us during game threads that we fall off in the intelligent factor. Which is fine by me. I use the game day thread as a guideline to help with write ups later on, even though some of the commenting is funny rather than helpful.

" Answers -- Become Resources."
Without Questions; There are limited Resources...

by KWashburn on Jan 11, 2010 10:19 PM CST up reply actions  

Excellent Work London!

Even though you’re not a lawyer, you can represent me anytime.

by RaiderP1 on Jan 11, 2010 5:30 PM CST reply actions  

ML's reaction to Hance was unacceptable, but

The parent (I don’t care who he is) called the BOR who called Hance. Way wrong protocol. Response should have been back to the parent, “we appreciate your bringing this to our attention; we’ll take care of it.” Then, “Mike, we’ve got an issue. What’s your take?” Hance should have defended the TTeam from an outside atttack, rather than throwing ML overboard. Don’t get me wrong ML walked to the end of the plank, as it were, and dared GM to push. If even a fraction of what ML says about AJ is true, he should have been removed from the team. Who knows, my boss comes to me, having determined my guilt without any of my input, I might be inclined to say something I shouldn’t.

by AllBeef on Jan 11, 2010 5:44 PM CST reply actions  

That may be true, but

where would the first contact have come from? His manager, the AD ?

Isn’t it kind of difficult to project that meeting to a happy conclusion ?

The thought about doing something more productive with AJ has merit also…

We are getting kind of deep in the but’s and if’s…huh ?

by TallMike on Jan 11, 2010 8:06 PM CST up reply actions  

London great insite as usual!

I wish Leach could have canned James’s ass before all this shit went down.

American farmers feed & clothe the world!

by Extramp83 on Jan 11, 2010 10:03 PM CST reply actions  

Great run down on the timeline

Leach is entitled to a hearing-that’s the way it works in the Texas education system. He gets 10 days from the time of the notice of suspension to request a hearing. He’s definitely going to get his day in court…unless they settle first. I love how the admin made all this happen while there were no students on campus-wham bam thank you ma’m Leach is out and we have a new coach… anyone know if Adam James is even coming back to Tech this semester?

by Sup207 on Jan 11, 2010 10:30 PM CST reply actions  

Leaving Lubbock

Spent this day packing all of my son’s belongings to help him get on with his life hopefully at the next level. Had the chance to speak with a nice lady that had been with 6 prior coaches and a heart surgery, she was wondering if she still had a job. Another lady that was kind enough to take care of my young man in the football office was wondering the same. Then I had a conversation with a young man that has been in the equipment room since his freshman year in 1999, he now has 6 months to prove his worth. He explained to me that the football office, pratice fields, training facility were erected all during Coach Leach’s tenure. I then walked outside and looked at the stadium, the westside standing tall, the east side growing taller as I watched, as I drove around to the northside I saw the new seating surround the stadium and it dawned on me “THIS IS THE HOUSE THAT LEACH BUILT” and it took 10 years , 10 winning years. Bowl after Bowl. How could all this come to an end without due process. Sign this or else is not due process. All this leaving Lubbock. I must say this was the worst feeling I’ve ever had leaving Lubbock. In the aftermath, because of this charade, I wonder how many other innocent people will be leaving Lubbock to search for employment elsewhere. Due process has left Lubbock!
Duane Howard

by dbled53 on Jan 11, 2010 11:22 PM CST reply actions   1 recs

DH

I’m not even a Red Raider, but I can tell that you embody the true spirit of the Red Raiders. Your comments have been really touching. You are obviously a great man. Best of luck to you and your family. Always keep finding your inner pirate. Our country could use more fathers like you.

by DFWTrojan on Jan 11, 2010 11:27 PM CST up reply actions  

I agree, this is the house that Leach built.

Hope your son gets a chance at the next level. Good to hear from you again. Stay in touch with the rest of us yayhoos.

Does anybody else get the feeling they are talking to a celebrity when Duane is on?

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Without Questions; There are limited Resources...

by KWashburn on Jan 11, 2010 11:35 PM CST up reply actions  

True

" Answers -- Become Resources."
Without Questions; There are limited Resources...

by KWashburn on Jan 12, 2010 5:17 PM CST up reply actions  

I would love to see Daniel playing at the next level... Best wishes to you both in whatever may come in the future...

Tell your son thanks for his contributions to this program.. It was a pleasure to watch… and to cheer for him…
Some of us will continue to fight for the return of integrity and due process in whatever way we can…

by Houston Raider on Jan 11, 2010 11:36 PM CST up reply actions  

You will forever be a part of our Texas Tech family

And an honor to participate with you in this forum. Again your insight has been very valuable and in these comments so moving. One thing for sure, it will not be lost on all of the Red Raider faithful that this stadium, and sports complex is the “House that Leach” and his players over 10 years built. It will be here as a testament to all the Captain and his players did for our University and will be here long after some of the less “appreciative” are gone. One thing that would be fitting is that we put together a fund to put up a statue of the pirate to go along with the “House” in honor of what Mike did for the school. This is similar to a tribute that was done for Bowden at Florida State. These funds would be paid for not from the “management” but would prefer they came from the collective Red Raider Nation. I sincerely wish the best for you and your son.
God Speed my friend…and thankyou for everything you and your family have done for the Red and Black.

by Raiderit on Jan 12, 2010 8:24 AM CST via mobile up reply actions  

Your son is the example of an athlete who just wouldn’t quit. When he wasn’t afforded a scholarship out of high school, he did what he had to do to get to the next level. When he was giving up 60 lbs to an offensive tackle, he did what he had to do to go through, around, or over him to get to the QB. He never stopped, and I hope some professional league can find a home for him in some capacity. His toughness, work ethic, and integrity will never be questioned. Thanks to both you and Daniel for embodying the Tech Matador song: Strive for honor, evermore.

by rpowel2 on Jan 12, 2010 9:46 AM CST up reply actions  

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