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Post Game Thoughts | Baylor Bears 38, Texas Tech Red Raiders 45

Box Score | Post Game Quotes | Post Game Press Conference

First and foremost, congrats to NM99, who witnessed the birth of his daughter yesterday during the game, but was commenting on the open game day thread!  A hearty congrats to your daughter and I hope all are doing well.

THE RESULT | RELIEF | I don't think any of you really care about what I go through when running a blog, but I'm going to tell you anyway. After a loss, everything is magnified and for the most part I try to have fun the the wringing of hands over each and every decision, non-decision or mistake. It can be tough trying to decide if a comment is over the line or when to hide a comment for users calling other users names or arguing over jersey color. When the final score was the same difference as it had been for the last three I think I felt a sense of relief. I was happy that Texas Tech had won, but I thought that I knew that DTN would be easier to manage. That's relief.

But as I watched the post-game press conference (linked above) I thought that both QB Taylor Potts, RB Baron Batch and head coach Tommy Tuberville all felt the same sense of relief. And if you don't want to watch the video, then read the quotes. Especially from Tuberville. I can't account for what he said after the game, but all of the frustrations and concerns that you've been voicing (the lackluster offense against UT, the team digging itself in a hole against ISU, etc.), Tuberville voiced after the game yesterday. I'm still on the fence about Tuberville and I want to let things play out, but for the first time, I found his comments after the game in the post game presser incredibly refreshing because he was being honest about his team's performance.

I have no doubt that they knew how much a win means, and any win was going to be a good win. You could see Potts and Batch joke about Potts' speed, Tuberville said that they call him the Flash, and Potts jokingly boasted that he has the longest run of the year for any running back. It's these type of moments where I step back and think that they're just kids and all they want to do is play football games, have a good time and win. If I thought that I had pressure with DTN, I can only imagine what it's like to play for a fanbase that demands wins and will accept nothing else. And don't get me wrong, I think demanding wins is a good thing and that's where Texas Tech is as a program.

Storylines and MVP's after the jump.

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THE STORYLINES

RECEIVERS BLOCKED | If there's one thing that's been missing from previous years that this offense needed to make a difference, at least an my opinion, was the receivers blocking down the field. I doubted that receivers blocking was out of the playbook, but that aggressive blocking by the receivers seemed non-existent for this year. Not yesterday. I thought the entire receiving corps was tremendous blocking down the field and if anything helped open up those receiver screens, it was those other two or three receivers getting after their defender and blocking them down the field. I tried to keep track of how many times the receivers did this to Baylor, and much of it was Baylor backing off of our receivers by 7 or 8 yards, but even if the Baylor secondary was backed off, the Texas Tech receivers went after the Baylor secondary. I just absolutely loved that.

And what did those receivers do with that sort of yardage? Well, they were incredibly efficient and broke off long gains on plays. That meant that there were 4 receivers that averaged 10 yards per catch. WR Alexander Torres (11.71), Lyle Leong (17), Austin Zouzalik (17) and Jacoby Franks (15.33). That's the sort of production that this offense needed. It needed receivers to break some tackles, which they did, and run hard, and fight for the ball and that happened on Saturday.

OH THE SECONDARY | In addition to trying to keep track of which receivers were blocking down the field, I also tried to keep track of the Texas Tech secondary that was burned for long yardage. First things first though, CB Will Ford didn't even make the trip. He apparently injured a hamstring in practice on Tuesday. FS Franklin Mitchem injured his knee again and was limited in his play. With a secondary that was already limited, it became even more apparently why SS Cody Davis isn't a free safety. Davis seemed like he was the defender for too many long Baylor completions or near-completions and although I'm not sure, I suppose that DC James Willis either wanted one of his most experienced defensive backs playing centerfield, but this is not Davis' strength. I think the staff feels like they would have gotten the same type of production from Brett Dewhurst and instead went with Terrance Bullitt as the safety taking Mitchem's spot. Maybe Willis and Tuberville need to consider moving D.J. Johson over to safety, especially considering he had a bad game at cornerback and with a thin group of safeties. He's certainly athletic enough to make plays and in my opinion he has more range than Davis and Mitchem. Now that LaRon Moore is essentially back playing cornerback, Johnson to safety could make a lot of sense.  And I didn't notice this during the game, but Moore was the one that stayed at home on the double-pass play for Baylor.  That's a senior that knows how to play the game.

THAT'S A PUNISHMENT? | So Baylor WR Josh Gordon is arrested, passed out, at a Taco Bell, with a bag of marijuana in his car. Baylor coach Art Briles "punished" (we all love air-quotes) Gordon by sitting him for the first quarter. I know, innocent until proven guilty. Whatever. If Briles didn't think that Gordon did anything wrong, then Gordon would have played that first quarter. Perhaps I don't know all of the facts, but I don't think I want a head coach that puts wins above discipline. That's embarrassing. It made me think that if this is how Briles disciplines his players, then I don't know if I want any part of him as a head coach.

WEEKLY QUARTERBACK CHECKUP | I had written Potts off after the Texas Longhorns game. I was done with so-so performances that seemed hollow. I don't know what it was, but during half-time of the Iowa St. game I get the feeling that someone got in his face and told him to start playing like the offense depends on his performance, because it does. Potts did play better, despite putting up 59 passes, he had 7.8 yards per attempt. Potts biggest mistake and biggest regret is trying to throw that one pass into triple-coverage for an easy Baylor interception. I'm not sure what he saw there, but he's essentially limited those types of decisions to one a game and I can live with that from my quarterback. Don't look now, but Potts has a touchdown to interception ration of 4.25. That's getting much closer to Harrell's magical 2008 season where he had 5 touchdowns for every interception. Something has clicked with Potts and it's not just passing the ball, but he's moving up in the pocket and actually checking off receivers and looking at other options. Sure, he still has his moments, but Potts has significantly improved his play. I'm happy for the guy.

ADDRESSING THE SPECIAL TEAMS | This has to be addressed, the pitiful play of special teams. I want to first address the on-sides kick that was returned for a touchdown. As I was watching the game, I sat in shock. I couldn't believe what just happened and my immediate reaction wasn't to express displeasure with Tuberville, but to ask what in the heck was Donnie Corona, Cornelius Douglas and D.J. Johnson doing just watching the football. Down the son of a gun. It was an embarrassing moment and I even tweeted something to Dr. Saturday about letting go the special teams coach when he posted the YouTube video. But then I started talking with my cohorts watching the game and we all agreed that this is something that a player should just know. Our discussion reminded me of this scene from A Few Good Men:

Capt. Ross: Corporal Barnes, I hold here the Marine Corps Outline for Recruit Training. You're familiar with this book?
Cpl. Barnes: Yes, sir.
Capt. Ross: You've read it?
Cpl. Barnes: Yes, sir.
Capt. Ross: Good. Would you open it up to the chapter that deals with code reds, please?
Cpl. Barnes: Sir?
Capt. Ross: Just flip open to the page of the book that talks about code reds.
Cpl. Barnes: Well, sir code red is a term that we use, I mean, just down at Gitmo, I really don't think that...
Capt. Ross: Ah, we're in luck then. Standard Operating Procedures, Rifle Security Company, Guantanamo Bay Cuba. Now I assume we'll find the term code red and its definition in that book. Am I right?
Cpl. Barnes: No sir.
Capt. Ross: Corporal Barnes, I'm a Marine. Is there no book. No pamphlet or manual, no regulation or set of written orders or instructions that lets me know that, as a Marine, one of my duties is to perform code reds?
Cpl. Barnes: No sir. No book, sir.
Capt. Ross: No further questions.
[as Ross walks back to his table Kaffee takes the book out of his hand]
Kaffee: Corporal would you open this book up to the part that says that where the mess hall is.
Cpl. Barnes: Well, Lt Kaffee, that's not in the book either, sir.
Kaffee: You mean to say the entire time you've been at Gitmo you've never had a meal?
Cpl. Barnes: No, sir. Three squares a day, sir.
Kaffee: Well, I don't understand. How did you know where the mess hall was if it wasn't in this book?
Cpl. Barnes: I guess I just followed the crowd at chow time, sir.
Kaffee: Thanks. No more questions.

There are some things that you shouldn't have to teach. Right? This is football, these guys have been playing football for perhaps 10 years of their lives. We all were screaming at our televisions or from the stands. We all knew exactly what was about to happen.

Tuberville did take responsibility for that play, without qualification:

He's got to recover the ball. And we just didn't coach him well enough. I'll take full responsibility for that. But, man, it just knocked the air out of us.

Tuberville needs to start addressing the special teams. It's embarrassing. The play is atrocious. There is almost zero punt return, and I'm chalking this up to Tuberville wanting fast players on his coverage and return units. You've got to get some big bodies on special teams to block. As much as I love the idea of having speedy players on the field at some times, there is a reason why 6-5/300 players seem to get scholarships in colleges. They are useful. They block players and stuff.

LIMITING THE BAYLOR RUNNING GAME | Let's get this right. Not only is DE Scott Smith suspended, but one of his replacements, Aundrey Barr is out with injury. Saturday morning, I knew that Robert Griffin III was going to run wild and it was going to be ugly. As much heat as Willis is going to take for the long pass-plays against Baylor, he should get credit for not letting Griffin beat Texas Tech with his legs. DC Willis limited Griffin to 3.5 yards per rush on just 11 carries. The defensive line pulled back just a bit, not just blindly rushing up the field and tried to create a pocket. This isn't boasting, this is just the truth. Griffin didn't have anywhere to go. And on top of that, the Baylor running backs didn't have anywhere to go either. The team only averaged 2.7 yards per carry. That was just stinking outstanding. Before the game, Baylor was averaging 180 yards a game. Yesterday, they had 80. Kudos to Colby Whitlock, Donald Langley, Kerry Hyder, Chris Perry, Lawrence Rumph and Bront Bird. This wasn't necessarily a dominating effort by one individual player. This was a team effort.

RUNNING GAME VS. RUNNING BACK TOUCHES | Maybe Tuberville needs to be more careful with his words. When he says running game needs to get more production, maybe what he means is that the running backs need to get more touches. Last week I mentioned that the running backs accounted for 199 yards of total offense and I think that for the most part, Texas Tech fans felt that the running game was okay, because Batch and RB Eric Stephens got a ton of touches. This week, we saw more of the same. Batch and Stephens accounted for 31 carries for 150 yards on the ground and 11 catches for 80 receiving yards. That's a total of 42 touches for 230 yards of offensive production. It's the touches that matter and to go back to last week one more time, these running backs will make plays and break tackles.  Batch and Stephens wanted it yesterday. If the running backs were given the opportunity to get this type of yardage earlier in the year, I don't think that Tuberville would be talking about the running game so much. If the running backs are getting touches with screen and passes out in the flat then the running game is looks incredibly productive.

A TALE OF TWO HALVES | On one hand, you could say that the offense was great in the first half and stalled in the second half. If you're a Baylor fan, you could say that the offense really struggled in the first half, but stepped up their play in the second half. This is your tale of two halves:

1st Half:  80 (TD), 28 (Punt), 69 (TD), 75 (TD), 44 (TD), 92 (TD), 53 (FGA)
2nd Half:  53 (Punt), 84 (TD), 15 (INT), 19 (Punt), 17 (Punt)

That's a total (if my math and looking at drive charts are correct) of 441 yards of total offense in the first half and 188 yards of offense in the second half. I haven't looked back at the play-calling from the first half to the second half, but casually speaking, the offense did get more careful in the second half. Part of it is trying to protect a lead, but I still think this offense needs be what it is for the entire game. And that's part of the frustration with an offense that is predicated on passing the ball, which is that it's not going to eat up a lot of clock along the way to protect leads. It's tough to fault an offense that totals over 600 yards of total offense for the game, but I still get the feeling that the offense is still working out kinks, but I can see it with my own two eyes that it's getting better.

And for the second week in a row, you saw almost zero substitution along the offensive line. Tuberville mentioned in his post game presser that Chris Olson and Nadine James lined up at tight end and there was one play (I honestly don't remember Olson playing tight end) that with Olson in at tight end, the offense broke off a fairly significant running play.

I did think that the offense was inventive and there was plenty of motion and multiple sets that created a situation where I think the Baylor defense was guessing for a good part of the day. Leach liked to keep things simple and didn't like much motion. Leach did get some motion late in the year last year, to help Potts figure out if the offense was in man or zone defense (he called it a "tell"). I don't know if that's part of OC Neal Brown's intent. I think he likes the idea of motion and moving players around. Again, it's getting better.

ANIMATED DRIVE CHART | Since these came out a little late, I thought I'd post it here.

FULL SCREEN VERSION

 

QUICK HITS | These are the ramblings of a guy that brings notecards into a bar to write down thoughts as the game is happening:

  • I thought that ILB Bront Bird had a fantastic game.  There were times that he was left out to cover running back passes, but he had 9 tackles, good for second on the team, and an incredibly important deflection.
  • The offensive line gave up only 2 sacks and only 1 yard was lost for a negative running play.  That group is starting to get it.  Not only are they blocking better, but they're pulling and getting out in space.  As much as I raved about the receivers, the offensive line is getting after it and if the thought of the staff is to have both a man blocking scheme, which I saw, and a zone blocking scheme, which I saw, then maybe the staff wants to be able to adjust to opponents.
  • In the first offensive drive, Texas Tech went for it on 4th and 1 and Stephens scored a touchdown out of the Wildcat formation.  QB Steven Sheffield got a really important block on that play.  Kudos to Sheffield.  
  • Terrance Bullitt had a nice safety blitz in the 4th Baylor drive.  More of this please.
  • Running the ball on 3rd and 5 in the 10th offensive drive isn't what this offense does best.  This was an example of OC Brown playing it safe, but the receivers and Potts carried the load so much of this game.  Put it on them.
  • Also on the 10th drive for Baylor, Colby Whitlock had a huge sack to force a 3rd and 7 that resulted in an incompeletion.  On that 3rd down play, Brian Duncan was at nose guard.
  • In Baylor's 11th drive and Baylor was forced into a 4th down and 2, but there was a holding penalty.  It looked like at first that Texas Tech was going to forgo the penalty, and then it seemed like Tuberville raised a stink and told the officials that he wanted to push them back.  Despite the fact that Baylor converted, I thought this was the right call.
  • Tre Porter is a true freshman and he led the team with 12 tackles.  He's going to be one heck of a player, if he isn't headed that direction right now.
  • The delay of game on Texas Tech's 12th drive was awful.  I was listening to some NFL game where it appeared the same thing happened.  I think this was a 30 second timeout and in the NFL game, the officials don't give any notice to the teams as to when the play clock starts.  Seemed like the same thing happened here (I'd love for TTUREF to correct me on this).  Whatever happened, the end result is unacceptable. 

OFFENSIVE MVP | WR ALEXANDER TORRES | I'm sticking with my pre-game MVP's.  This was the Torres I've been wanting to see all year.  He was fighting for yards.  Sure, it would be easy to name Potts, but having chemistry with more than just one receiver is huge for this team.

DEFENSIVE MVP | DT COLBY WHITLOCK | He helped hold together a line that had a couple of key players absent.  Texas Tech is going to miss Whitlock next year.

SPECIAL TEAMS MVP | K MATT WILLIAMS | I wish he'd kick every field goal.  I have no idea how this is going to work next year.

Yes, I've used the word embarrassing too much in this post.

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Dangit Seth, I was just about to get productive and then you posted this awesome post.

I’ll make it my reward for getting my chores done. But had to say – great picture – that is hilarious!

by Austin, Tx on Oct 10, 2010 1:04 PM CDT reply actions  

Excellent recap. Totally agree on all points.

by Tech92 on Oct 10, 2010 1:25 PM CDT via mobile reply actions  

Ha! I hadn’t even noticed. Just picked a picture and had to run out the door.

Go Raiders . . .
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by Seth C on Oct 11, 2010 5:43 AM CDT up reply actions  

Potts played one of the best halves

I’ve seen a tech qb play….and outside of the int and two screens, I think it was just the playcalling that didnt let him have a 5 star 2nd half. The cynic in me is pissed we didnt see 1/10th of this from brown and Potts versus ut….but that’s history. I fe that brown felt more comfortable and has his arms around his weapons and how to use them.
Anything to move dj from cb, and I’m for it. We really had anothe 3 or 4 td passes his way that he was toast. This is how far our db’s played off of ut..I watched in person and was amazed. Ut couldn’t take advantage because Whitlock and smith and Duncan were beasts on pressure.
I can’t help but be upbeat, because our offense has an identity and we have to get better on d and special teams.

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by oldschoolraider on Oct 10, 2010 1:27 PM CDT reply actions  

I care. Thanks!

It may be a little inside baseball, but I very much appreciate the idea you get up at some ridiculous hour do the blog thing (pretty darn well, I might add) and then go off to a day job.
That is nearly as kind as making us fans coffee in the morning.

It also looks like you post on your lunch hour. This is nearly as kind as making all us fans a sandwich, at least it feels that way.

We do appreciate it, thank you.

by Raider289 on Oct 10, 2010 1:31 PM CDT reply actions  

agreed

Just because I'm an artist doesn't mean I don't know my sports. I'll take on ANYONE in Fantasy International Ping Pong!

by Damien Franco on Oct 10, 2010 7:34 PM CDT up reply actions  

Awwww, thanks.

I don’t actually post on my lunch hour, but I schedule posts throughout the day.

Go Raiders . . .
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by Seth C on Oct 11, 2010 5:44 AM CDT up reply actions  

Changes in the Secondary...

I mentioned it during the game, but I would really like to see Will Ford and DJ Johnson playing safety and Moore, Phillips, and Porter playing CB. We give up some experience that way, but I think it gets more athleticism on the field.

Phillips and Porter have definitely shown that they can handle the game-time pressure, and it would be nice to get more experience for all of these young DBs. What say you?

by battledome on Oct 10, 2010 1:34 PM CDT reply actions  

Can we move Douglas to the D ?

He has the speed, and like Davis has a hard time catching the ball. Scrap that thought, he looked terrible trying to tackle during the onside kick muff.

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by MFAB91 on Oct 10, 2010 2:14 PM CDT up reply actions  

Johnson to safety; Davis to linebacker

DJ Johnson looks better suited for safety. He would be great in run support from this position.

Davis needs to pack on 15 to 20 lbs in the offseason and move to linebacker. He’s very instinctive towards a ball carrier.

by Tn Raider on Oct 11, 2010 7:51 AM CDT up reply actions  

Only things I would add

-Neal Brown is adding empty sets and pre-snap motion to the offense and these were two things that were a long time coming
-Potts’ mechanics are so much improved from this time a year ago that if it weren’t for the fact that he’s a tall-ass goofy looking SOB I wouldn’t recognize him at all
-I am slowly coming around to the idea that an artificially fast tempo might be a good thing, provided the playcalling doesn’t suck us into a bunch of 1 minute long 3-and-outs
-Welcome back, wide receiving corps. We’ve missed you.

by mojavereject on Oct 10, 2010 1:37 PM CDT reply actions  

Agree with fast tempo

play of the offense. Ive been waiting all year to see the “NASCAR” offense. I think a few times baylor injuries were more to give their D a needed rest. We gased their D to the point we could do whatever we wanted.

by air-raid on Oct 10, 2010 2:46 PM CDT up reply actions  

Great points Seth

It was a good game and fun to watch. It looked as if the coaching staff was finally on the right page less special teams play. I think Brown finally came up with a good offense against a decent Baylor defense. Defense was spotty but looks like the weaknesses were all in one or two places this week. Corners need to get better or just relocate to another position. Johnson didn’t have the speed or athleticism to cover his man. Baylor could have thrown to that receiver all day long and scored. Potts shocked me with his accuracy and spark. Receivers did great despite a few dropped passes. If Willis can get his side of the ball up to snuff we have a chance to beat OSU. Corners need to be ready.

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by Raider1992 on Oct 10, 2010 1:44 PM CDT reply actions  

Good recap Seth!

Our Raiders have had and are having coaching change growing pains. I believe they will end up being a pretty darn good team eventually this year. It sure is good to get a Big 12 win.

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by Extramp83 on Oct 10, 2010 2:11 PM CDT reply actions  

Its a shame

that it took this long for this team to be what we thought it could be all along.

We thought/hoped TTubs’ Red Raiders would be the same offense and we’d experience growing pains on defense and great special teams.

What we’ve gotten so far…It took us to long to find our identity on offense. I think TTubbs and Brown finally figured out that this offense doesnt run the first 35% of its plays then passes for the other 65%. This offense PASSES the first 65% of its plays then runs for the other 35%. Unlike Seth, I have no problem with the amount of screen plays OCBrown calls. They are an integral part of ground game. The fact that the defense has to be constantly on the lookout for them helps create running lanes for Batch, Stephens, etc.

The defensive coaching staff flinched in what they planned to do. Seth is right. Lets just do what we want to do and if it means taking our lumps in the process then so be it.

Special teams are a joke. Tubs said he was gonna oversee special teams personally. Alright Tubbs, lets see it. Cuz, what we’ve seen so far is atrocious. This is squarely on you

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by Tortilla Pirate on Oct 10, 2010 2:14 PM CDT reply actions  

As far as special teams go, i think the blame lies completely on Corona and the other boneheads that didnt pick the ball up. I think some of that thought might have been “if we touch it we will get a penalty because the ball didnt go ten yards”. But thats no excuse for baylor getting a touchdown run. I think it was a great playcall at the moment and had corona put a little more juice into it it would have been red raider ball.

by air-raid on Oct 10, 2010 2:50 PM CDT up reply actions  

"if we touch it we will get a penalty because the ball didnt go ten yards".

I agree, and even I called it as it was happening…..“dont touch it!” I yelled…but at least wall off the ball or just touch it and take the penalty. Question on that….wouldnt it have been better to touch it? Would we have had to rekick it?

OVERALL though. Special teams are a joke. It goes beyond just this play. Two weeks in a row the Special teams pulls a bonehead move. Last weeks onside kick returned for the TD is inexcusable

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by Tortilla Pirate on Oct 10, 2010 3:38 PM CDT up reply actions  

I have a sense of dread when the special teams goes out now.

It used to maybe just be Carona or a long FG try. Now it’s every single special teams play. We might have one of the worst special teams in the country — TWO onside kicks returned for TDs AND our opponents have faked punts for first downs on us the last 3 games too.

Be a team. Be the most excited to play. Be the best at doing your @#&$ing job.

by merrik on Oct 10, 2010 5:59 PM CDT up reply actions  

Apart from long kickoffs, has Donnie Corona made any positive contributions to Texas Tech football?

First he misses half his extra points attempts the year Tech has its best chance of playing for a BCS title. Thank goodness Matt Williams dropped down from heaven to save the kicking game. Now he can’t execute an onside kick. Watching the play live I really thought it was a standard kickoff but he had just whiffed the ball. It looked like it dribbled off the tee. I was looking for Lucy from the Peanuts cartoon to see if she had grabbed the ball at the last second. I don’t mind the Riverboat Gambler trying the unexpected play like that. But it should be practiced enough so the execution is flawless.

by mbrown603 on Oct 11, 2010 2:12 PM CDT up reply actions  

Fantastic work Seth!

I mentioned this last week, but we did get to see Baylor’s true colors yesterday. The idea of a 1 qtr suspension is a freaking joke. As my friend said, either they are guilty or not and if they aren’t then they should be allowed to play the whole game.
Regardless of the final verdict, the public perception right now is Baylor isn’t concerned with integrity if you are a good enough player. I learned all I needed to about Briles on Saturday to be convinced i NEVER want him as the HC at Tech, never!
Take away the dope, I’m sure there are still team rules the prohibit being out at 2:15am on a Sunday night. As Seth stated, it’s rediculous. They should be ashamed of that decision and I hope it is exposed throughout the week.

IMWTx

Stop being a wussy. This is freaking FOOTBALL, not the debate club! YELL LOUD AND RAISE HELL.

by imisswesttexas on Oct 10, 2010 2:15 PM CDT reply actions  

BTW

I read Briles quote after the game when asked about keeping Gordon out the first qtr. He rambled on about what a competitor he is and how hard he works. And finished by telling everyone how proud they are to have him as part of their football team. Never addressed sitting the first qtr at all. I thought it was a fair question. Hopefully a reporter has the stones to question this on the Monday conference call.

IMWTx

Stop being a wussy. This is freaking FOOTBALL, not the debate club! YELL LOUD AND RAISE HELL.

by imisswesttexas on Oct 10, 2010 2:17 PM CDT up reply actions  

passed out+exposed bag o' weed*taco bell drive-thru @ 2:15 = guilty.

heck, i’m no perry mason…but…

i’m not on a high horse, either. personally, i have no more problem with it than alcohol…that said, these are student athletes who serve as role models for kids and they play ball at a very intolerant/holier-than-thou southern baptist university (no offense to baptist brothers/sisters); meaning, yes, by default you get held to a higher standard.

if one of our players was in the same situation they should be punished accordingly. the difference is we are a state-funded, secular university.

by 80sR8R on Oct 10, 2010 2:33 PM CDT up reply actions  

Agree with the double standard at BU.

Do you “punish” our guys if they are “drunk” instead of “stoned”? And how many quarters to they sit?

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by raider realist on Oct 10, 2010 2:41 PM CDT up reply actions  

If you had his bag of weed, you’d probably be halfway there to being on a high horse.

by kayakyakr on Oct 10, 2010 2:59 PM CDT up reply actions  

if i had his bag of weed and got busted, passed out in the taco bell drive through, my behind would still be in jail.

by 80sR8R on Oct 10, 2010 9:30 PM CDT up reply actions  

Maybe we should take a closer look in the mirror before we start casting these stones

The more indignation that comes trotting out about this, the more “rediculous” it looks. Maybe it’s just the PK in me, but with all the real hypocrisy that comes out of Baylor this just seem silly.

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by raider realist on Oct 10, 2010 2:21 PM CDT up reply actions  

I see your point

But I can honestly tell you I would write the exact same thing if the roles were reversed and it was Tech playing this kid. No way to prove this until that time comes. But you can trust I hold our program to the same standard. It’s not just b/c it is Baylor. That was a joke of a decision.

IMWTx

Stop being a wussy. This is freaking FOOTBALL, not the debate club! YELL LOUD AND RAISE HELL.

by imisswesttexas on Oct 10, 2010 2:23 PM CDT up reply actions  

you keep alluding to an incident, but I haven’t yet seen anything about it. Of age players out until the wee hours of the morning drinking isn’t all that bad, considering that it is legal, but an underage player out drinking or a player partying the night before a game = not cool.

by kayakyakr on Oct 10, 2010 3:01 PM CDT up reply actions  

It's from another post on DTN, prolly not gonna make the news.

Mostly I’m just “reacting” to the “over reaction” here about Briles.

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by raider realist on Oct 10, 2010 3:12 PM CDT up reply actions  

I don't think RdrPwr is speaking about this game specifically.

Maybe another incident during the offseason.

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by KWashburn on Oct 10, 2010 3:35 PM CDT up reply actions  

I would have the same reaction to one of our players being arrested for posession and getting off with a quarter of punishment. I’d expect that player to be out for at least a game.

by kayakyakr on Oct 10, 2010 3:38 PM CDT up reply actions  

How in the hell is it an over reaction?

The guy broke the law (and I’m sure team rules). He should be sat out or booted from the team. Instead Briles plays him and avoids the questions. If this happens anywhere, there should be repercussions. He broke the law.

"They challenged us. They said, 'Here, try to run past us, try to run inside us.' And they were better at preventing that than we were throwing and catching it." --Mike Leach

by silver_ on Oct 11, 2010 11:47 PM CDT up reply actions  

The only overreaction is from those

that don’t think you should be suspended for breaking the law. You don’t like the law? Put down your xbox 360 control and do something about it.

"It's fun to do bad things"- Latarian

by oldschoolraider on Oct 12, 2010 8:46 AM CDT up reply actions  

You apparently know something I don't.

Wait and see if you want. If the same thing happens with our team and Tub’s let’s the play, I will be on here being just as critical. Briles’ decision simply tells me if you are a good enough player, team rules do not apply. Or their team rule for being arrested with dope is a 1 qtr suspension.

IMWTx

Stop being a wussy. This is freaking FOOTBALL, not the debate club! YELL LOUD AND RAISE HELL.

by imisswesttexas on Oct 11, 2010 8:52 AM CDT up reply actions  

Proud of how we responded

I’m certainly glad we responded the way we did with our backs against the wall. Credit goes to the whole team. But I was especially impressed with Batch, Torres, Potts, Duncan, Whitlock and Detron. Those guys played angry and refused to be beat again. Proud of the team. Looking forward to being at the OSU game this weekend!

IMWTx

Stop being a wussy. This is freaking FOOTBALL, not the debate club! YELL LOUD AND RAISE HELL.

by imisswesttexas on Oct 10, 2010 2:20 PM CDT reply actions  

Great analysis

I was there on the 49 yard line just under the edge of the press box. Receivers were getting on blocks and holding the block until Detron, etc went by them. Potts was hitting WRs in stride on those screens making them look almost perfect. Very few poorly thrown balls and few drops except the unbelievable one by Franks without anyone within 10 yards and coming toward Potts. However, he redeemed himself shortly afterwards. Baylor couldn’t stop us, but in the second half we did some to ourselves.

I thought the defense was good enough considering Smith, Fehoko, Mitchem, Ford and who knows didn’t play or play very little. I began to wonder if Porter had been moved to linebacker. He was awesome. The corners were often “on an island” for coverage.

My thought was that we are finally beginning to gel. The line is getting confidence and Potts stepped up. I suspect that long run built him up quite a bit. The Okie Sue game will tell us more, but it looks a lot better. An indication of how hard Tech was playing was the number of Baylor guys getting helped off the field. We carried none of ours off.

by PacRaider on Oct 10, 2010 2:22 PM CDT reply actions  

Great recap/analysis, Seth.

Stellar work, as always.

What I’m most happy about? Most of the DTN fans seem to be feeling better about the team and the coaches…funny how a win’ll do that to us. Still a lot of stuff to work on but realizing how thin we were in the secondary on D makes Baylor’s passing effectiveness a little easier to swallow. Special teams? Not so much.

GUNS UP!

by 80sR8R on Oct 10, 2010 2:27 PM CDT reply actions  

Players have to be held accountable...

Many of us would be praising Leach for his onside kick call and then we blast Tubbs for not taking any risk. The players have to execute, kick the damn ball 10 yards or down it. 8 yards doesn’t get it done. Tubbs wasn’t the one who muffed last weeks punt or failed to tackle on the ISU onside kick. The headcoach is always going to take the blame but we have to remember that freak plays happen, the wind interferes with the ball and tackles are missed.

Tubbs has changed his kick off coverage teams every game trying to find the right personnel. There needs to be some consistency, smart decision making and the players have to execute.

"I thought happiness was Lubbock, Texas in my rearview mirror" Mac Davis

by MFAB91 on Oct 10, 2010 2:31 PM CDT reply actions  

Well done Seth

Just a couple of questions.

I keep hearing how the special teams cost us two touchdowns. I am pretty sure I can account for one.

I can’t bring myself to fault Tuberville for calling the onside kick for two reasons. First, in general, onside kicks are more likely to be successful when teams don’t expect them.

Second, if Tuberville and Co saw something on film that needed to be exploited, then by all means exploit it – even if it seems unconventional. Maybe it’s just me, but I like those kinds of calls. I think it shows a dimension in Tuberville, which I have not yet seen.

Also, I know I am not the best person to comment on Briles. So, I’ll only say this: “I am so glad that guy is not our coach!”

"This time it's different."

by LondonRaider on Oct 10, 2010 2:41 PM CDT reply actions  

Actually, I guess that should be: Just a couple of comments.

"This time it's different."

by LondonRaider on Oct 10, 2010 2:42 PM CDT up reply actions  

I think I speak for a fairly large portion of the commentariat when I say I don't have a problem with the call per se

I have a problem with the fact that when the play broke down, we had 3 players just sort of standing around the ball looking confused while Baylor scooped and scored. I’m all for gambling to win big, but if your players aren’t properly prepared you are more than likely going to end up with a disaster on your hands. After a decade of Leach I’d say as a fanbase we have a pretty high tolerance for playcalling that skews to the eccentric; we just ask that you follow up the crazy with solid execution.

Oddly enough, we have an excellent example of this in Les Miles and LSU this week, arguably the dumbest/craziest/gutsiest coach ever to sneak his way into an FBS program. He called a fake FG at the end of the game, when a field goal would have sent it to OT. LSU converted and won in regulation, The key, if you take the time to watch LSU’s special teams, is that they execute at a ridiculously high level, and when their goal is to deceive or confuse, they sell it admirably.

by mojavereject on Oct 10, 2010 3:11 PM CDT up reply actions  

+1000

The whole special teams fiasco is all on Tubs. He is the special teams coach and right now demonstrating to be a very poor one. All contingencies should be gone over in detail during practice with quizzes to make sure everyone understands their responsibilities. It should be so drilled into the players heads on what to do and when to do it, that a coach could wake them at 3 am and they would know what to do and when to do it. .

Either they are not granting enough time during practice for special teams, Tubs is too distracted to devote time to the special teams that they deserve, Tubs is incompetent as a special teams coordinator, or they have the wrong mix of players on the special teams (that also goes back to Tubs). Maybe it’s a mix off all of them.

Also, I would like to know how a CEO coach who is overseeing the game on game days has the time or presence of mind to go over all the details with the players on each of the four separate special teams during the game. To me, it seems like a lot and much detail can fall through the cracks.

by Arizona Raider on Oct 10, 2010 4:31 PM CDT up reply actions  

I have no problem with the onside kick call… if the team can execute it. Otherwise we just look stupid, which we did.

Be a team. Be the most excited to play. Be the best at doing your @#&$ing job.

by merrik on Oct 10, 2010 6:01 PM CDT up reply actions  

It comes out clear in the post game interviews

The staff planned to run the On Sides kick from the git go, Baylor’s middle man plays about 15 yards back…coach called it a no brainer….didn’t execute it, when the kick failed we didn’t recover it.

I like the call, there were a bunch of other calls I liked also, excuting is the difference between fun and foolish. Hey, I like most of all with the call being planned as part of the game’s second kick off !!

as for me and my house, we chose the Lord.

by TallMike on Oct 10, 2010 6:16 PM CDT up reply actions  

My "dos centavos"...

Hope Tubbs works a lot more on those special teams. Don’t want to see a breakdown there cost us a game when the O and the D are beginning to make real progress. Brown’s doing something with the O-mucho kudos!

Not sure about Tubbs yet. But we did get a win, and he’s not afraid to suspend a player if needed. Briles could have good reasons for his (in)action with the potsmokers, but he’s making himself look bad. Oh well-he doesn’t coach Tech! As for BU and the conservative morals question-well, I’m glad I got my degree from good old Texas Tech!

by djn on Oct 10, 2010 2:52 PM CDT reply actions  

Also...

I was impressed by how much fight our guys had yesterday! Even when they made mistakes, they picked themselves up and kept fighting. Don’t know how much the coaching has to do with it, but our guys weren’t afraid to kick ass. Like one guy’s already said, lots of Baylor players being carted off the field. Keep fighting, Raiders!

by djn on Oct 10, 2010 2:58 PM CDT reply actions  

I told you so.

I knew Alex would step up his game.
But im really happy to see that Potts spread the ball around. Every receiver had a good game because potts played good and running backs played good but none of that is possible without the great performance by the O- Line.
The D wasn’t too good but hopefully getting the starters back will make the difference.
Special teams still makes me nervous.

by Techcuz on Oct 10, 2010 3:37 PM CDT reply actions  

Answers to Seth's observation on time outs & the onside kick debaucle

First – excellent commentary Seth!! Nothing to add from where I sit on the analysis of the game!!

Time out issue – following is taken straight from the rules book..

Referee’s Notification
ARTICLE 8. During a full team timeout (Rule 3-3-7-a) the referee shall notify
both teams after one minute. Five seconds later he shall declare the ball ready
for play. During a 30-second team timeout (Rule 3-3-7-b, c) the referee shall
notify both teams after 30 seconds. Five seconds later he shall declare the
ball ready for play.

 It has been a while since I worked at the collegiate level, so I honestly don’t know how the officials “notifiy” the coaches of the time remaining at the D 1 level. In high school, they are notified with 3 loud tweets of the whistle by the back judge about 15-20 seconds before the ball is made ready for play. Most coaches heed the warning whistle and get their players out at that time, however, it often amazes me when they choose to ignore the waring whistle and then get pissed off about being called for delay of game or being “rushed” on the pursuing play.

Onside kick issue – first, I won’t print what I called the 3 guys standing around the ball just looking at it – one of the worst special teams plays I have ever seen and I have seen a bunch of crazy ones! Players at that level should know that it is a live ball – the only issue is it not having gone 10 yards – if the kicking team touches it before it goes 10 yards it is simply “illegal touching” and the receiving team has the option to take the ball at that point or another if they happened to pick it up and get further than the “illiegal touching” spot. No penalty, no extra yards! Yes, no excuses for players or coaches on that one!

by tturef on Oct 10, 2010 3:44 PM CDT reply actions  

Found the "official" mechanic!

Found the 7 man mechanic on time outs. The Back Judge is suppose to blow his whistle 15 seconds prior to the ready for play and the Side Judge & Field Judge are suppose to notify the teams. TV timeouts are completely different because they are so long and you have the guy standing out on the field with his “orange” arm notifying everyone when it’s okay to start again. I am assuming on the 30 second time outs they may notifiy the coaches the same. I will check this out at the OSU game to see if I can tell what they are doing in the Big 12. All conferences adjust the mechanics from the “official” manual based on how the coaches, etc. want it handled.

by tturef on Oct 10, 2010 3:55 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yes, no excuses for players or coaches on that one!

i just don’t know if i can hold the coach accountable for that one. these guys have been playing ball since they were 9 or 10 years old. at some point (especially D1 level), you shouldn’t have to tell a special teams something this fundamental. yeah, there’s a lot of stuff that mos’def’ needs to be pounded into the special team’s bone heads, but i would hope the staff doesn’t have to get this basic on ’em…guess they do…now.

by 80sR8R on Oct 10, 2010 9:40 PM CDT up reply actions  

Will somebody do me a favor?

Can one of you fine folks post the Andrew Luck hit from last night? I think we all need to see that and witness the hustle that QB has. Incredible.

Regarding Texas Tech – Special Teams es no bueno. Es muy trabajo.

" Answers --Become Resources."
Without Questions, There are limited Resources...

by KWashburn on Oct 10, 2010 3:50 PM CDT reply actions  

Now there's something to see!

But QB’s aren’t designed for that are they?

I’m all for being versatile, but there has to be some difference between taking a hit and making one. Sheer physics alone says it could end badly.

Impressive play though.
Hope others don’t try to imitate it and get hurt.

by Raider289 on Oct 10, 2010 11:40 PM CDT up reply actions  

Good words Seth

Looking ahead is down right treacherous. Game to game is the best hope. Offense is improving. Defense depends on not much depth and healthy hopes. ST is a lost cause to date.

"Appreciate the target you put on my back...We just have a lot of work to do" Tubberville

by jdhud on Oct 10, 2010 3:57 PM CDT reply actions  

Addendum...

I think it’s very heady for you to spotlight the receiver blocking….great observation. Kudos to Tommy Maynard and sonnie cumbie.

"It's fun to do bad things"- Latarian

by oldschoolraider on Oct 10, 2010 4:10 PM CDT reply actions  

They wouldn't stop harping on it on the tube.

Every time we moved the ball on offense, "I can’t belive the Baylor players can’t get off these blocks, Tech is just outstanding with these blocks, pushing all the way through! Did you know Jordan Shipley and Colt McCoy were roomates?’

Something like that…….

" Answers --Become Resources."
Without Questions, There are limited Resources...

by KWashburn on Oct 10, 2010 4:30 PM CDT up reply actions  

Perhaps better in person..

no talking heads except my buddy who knows all things tech.

"It's fun to do bad things"- Latarian

by oldschoolraider on Oct 10, 2010 4:36 PM CDT up reply actions  

Maybe I am just a little slow to come around....

But I am not going to proclaim everything solved for this offense just because it put up numbers against ISU and Baylor….. It should do that. I want to see it against a halfway decent D that has a pulse and I want to see what it does against a good D. (I know Leach offenses had trouble with good defenses so spare me the comparisons!) You see I was promised better than what we had with only some minor tweaks and, call me crazy, but that is what I am expecting. I wonder how long the fade patterns and bubble screens will work against OU or even the ags for that matter? (Again I was promised better than what we had…)

The defense…I can live with, this is Tech afterall, and because we are truly lacking in talent and/or depth on that side of the ball. Although our new coach does proclaim himself something of a defensive man…..

Having said all this, it was nice to win one we should win, and I will be as loud as everyone come next Saturday vs OSU!

Everything will be better once we get a fullback.....

by Filemon G on Oct 10, 2010 4:35 PM CDT via mobile reply actions  

Winning

 makes everything better, but not perfect. Still, the drive to Lubbock next week will go easier knowing that Tech hasn’t forgotten how to win in the Big 12.

by EPRAIDER82 on Oct 10, 2010 4:39 PM CDT reply actions  

Open Letter to Coach TT

Coach,

You need to fire the guy in charge of secial teams. The Iowa State and Baylor games were ridiculous.

Oh, sorry…..that would be YOU.

by candyroll on Oct 10, 2010 4:48 PM CDT reply actions  

WR Screens

I think the WR screens worked great against Baylor, especially b/c they played so far off our receivers, but there was one screen Potts stared down all the way and baylor almost had a pick 6. That was one of the few bad reads I saw Potts make all day. I just hope we can be equally as productive when Okie Lite gets to town. They have allowed 12 Passing touchdowns this season, so lets hope we find a way to exploit their D.

by air-raid on Oct 10, 2010 4:54 PM CDT reply actions  

Noticed something else important!

TTubs (I can’t spell his name and my spellchecker can’t either.) – in the press conference, said absolutely NOTHING that jumped out at me as “WTF?”
Credit where it’s due.

…And Is much as I hate to say it, Mr Smooth Jazz wrote two articles recently that were fairly well done, too. (Except for some heavy breathing over the man’s suit.)
Credit where its due there, tentatively, anyway.

Examiner guy Jerry Moore looks to be getting together better articles too. He wasn’t on my radar until recently, and his last article was straight football for the fans, and well done. (Appears to have lightened up a little on Leach.)

I am going to re-read Seth’s article though, for about the third or fourth time today as it seems to have the most value of them all. (I knew the press conferences had to be up SOMEWHERE amongst the bureaucracy.)

Looks like everybody is stepping up their game, along with the WHOLE team.

Makes it a good (better) time to be a Red Raider fan when we have such quality information available. Such a contrast from just a few days ago!

by Raider289 on Oct 10, 2010 5:18 PM CDT reply actions  

Good point

good press conference for tubby

"It's fun to do bad things"- Latarian

by oldschoolraider on Oct 10, 2010 5:32 PM CDT up reply actions  

Agree

When he’s not making stuff up he’s a lot better.

Be a team. Be the most excited to play. Be the best at doing your @#&$ing job.

by merrik on Oct 10, 2010 6:09 PM CDT up reply actions  

Or he is a lot better making stuff up !!

Practice !!

as for me and my house, we chose the Lord.

by TallMike on Oct 10, 2010 6:18 PM CDT up reply actions  

A small point, Seth

When he says running game needs to get more production, maybe what he means is that the running backs need to get more touches.

When he first started talking about this he was talking in context of protecting the qb saying the defense has to respect the running game so that they will not just pin their ears back and pass rush.

I am sure he likes getting 150 ground yards on 31 carries. That kind of ground production is fundamental to making the Air Raid work.

as for me and my house, we chose the Lord.

by TallMike on Oct 10, 2010 5:19 PM CDT reply actions  

True, but I also tend to think that a screen game for an aggressive or attacking defense will help the running game. Absolutely, I think he likes the 150 rushing yards, but getting 200+ yards from your running backs is huge.

Go Raiders . . .
Double-T Nation

by Seth C on Oct 11, 2010 5:51 AM CDT up reply actions  

I sure think

The cowboys could use a mike leach rant about the calorically challenged love interests of the players.

"It's fun to do bad things"- Latarian

by oldschoolraider on Oct 10, 2010 7:05 PM CDT reply actions  

True

He is all SF has tonight. Too bad there isn’t a better QB to run their offense. Then Crabs would be doubly important. Also, Amendola had a great day, except for one fumble lost. he is having a great year so far. The Dallas Cowgirls—-errrr, Cowboys—-lost again. They have a great QB, too, huh?

TTpilk Psalm 117:
1 ¶ O praise the LORD, all ye nations: praise him, all ye people.
2 For his merciful kindness is great toward us: and the truth of the LORD endureth for ever. Praise ye the LORD.

by TTpilk645 on Oct 10, 2010 10:01 PM CDT up reply actions  

Great Job Seth

I had failed smile after the onsides kick and was on pins and needles the whole game. Thank you Texas Tech for pulling this one out. It’ll be a good week.

I thought your comments and Potts were very accurate. He’s getting better. Spreading the ball around to multiple receivers is the key to this offense and Potts was very successful at that this week.

by Red_Raided on Oct 10, 2010 9:39 PM CDT reply actions  

Thanks, Seth.

You and Kayakyakr have covered this game pretty well. I think you gave RG III to good an average, though. He had 18 yards on 11 carries, not even close to 3.5 YPC; more like 1.6 YPC. The team made some needed improvements this week. Hopefully they can do the same this coming week and hold off the C’boysThere is still a lot of football left and Tech can still make this a pretty good year despite having such a rocky start.

TTpilk Psalm 117:
1 ¶ O praise the LORD, all ye nations: praise him, all ye people.
2 For his merciful kindness is great toward us: and the truth of the LORD endureth for ever. Praise ye the LORD.

by TTpilk645 on Oct 10, 2010 10:11 PM CDT reply actions  

stalled offense

is it just me or did the Tech offense stall in the second half after baby james touched the ball

by Foodman on Oct 10, 2010 11:12 PM CDT reply actions  

off topic...

Dallas Morning News continues to blow:

http://collegesportsblog.dallasnews.com/archives/2010/10/smu-third-ranked-team-in-texas-better-th.html

1. tcu
2. tu
3. smu (WTF)
4. aTm (? FIU? HELLO)
5. Tech
6. Baylor
.
.
.
10. rice (noted due to the stellar, dominating performance of the whorns in their non-conference game)

by 80sR8R on Oct 10, 2010 11:37 PM CDT reply actions  

1,687,920

The number of hits on YouTube for “The Onside kick”

by birdhntr on Oct 11, 2010 7:00 AM CDT reply actions  

Who would have thought there were 2 million at the cotton bowl.

Watching the Red Raiders play a PR game in Dallas.

Did we succeed in selling our sports program to the ignorant who have never seen Tech football and wouldn’t unless it was dumped in their lap?

If it’s publicity they wanted, they got it.

by Raider289 on Oct 11, 2010 11:48 AM CDT up reply actions  

…Forgot my air-quotes around “ignorant”. As that is the assumption needed for the jump of logic that says people wouldn’t watch Red Raider football unless there was a marketing push behind it. How about winning on the field and the program selling itself? Hmmm. Naah, even the Tech Admin think otherwise and it’s a slap at/disservice to -not only the fans, but in some ways the team, too.

by Raider289 on Oct 11, 2010 11:55 AM CDT up reply actions  

Special teams do not exist at Texas Tech- Is there a special teams coach??????

Tech continues to show they have little use for special teams and as a result continue down the road of mediocrity. Why is it Tech cannot recruit decent kickers..who can at least kick field goals that good HS players can? Why is it Tech special teams do not understand the basics of an onside kick?? Why is it no one really cares among the coaching staff? Even Leach’s staff did not care in that they recruited from the fans in the stadium? Am I missing something here? Championship teams excel in all 3 phases of the game. Get it fixed.

by Windsurfer on Oct 11, 2010 12:36 PM CDT reply actions  

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