Post Game Thoughts | Weber St. Wildcats 21, Texas Tech Red Raiders 64
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THE RESULT | LIFE MOVES PRETTY FAST. IF YOU DON'T STOP AND LOOK AROUND ONCE IN A WHILE, YOU COULD MISS IT. | --Ferris Bueller's Day Off. Sometimes I don't get it. I know I look at this team glass-half-full, it's part of who I am, and I also know that there's a lot of people that look at this team glass-half-empty. It's part of who we are and it's part of the different personalities that make the world unique. I can appreciate that the different personalities keep everyone in check, or at least keeps me in check.
But sometimes, I feel fans of Texas Tech football rooting for failure rather than any sort of success. That makes me a bit sad. I understand that's transpired over the past 11 months and I understand that there's still a ton of resentment about what happened. I've been writing about inconsistencies and problems and issues with this team for the past 11 weeks (including an bye week) and they're well known. Quarterback consistency. A running game that doesn't show up in the third game of the season. Cornerbacks that can't cover receivers. An inconsistent defensive line. Linebackers that can't chase down backs out of the backfield or are being asked to cover slot receivers. Receivers dropping the ball. Running backs having untimely fumbles. Overall awful special teams play (sans K Matt Williams - you've been terrific). I could go on for a few more days.
But it's really tough for me to be critical after each and every game. It's tough for me, or really anyone else, to give meaningful commentary about 3rd and 4th string players that saw time in the 3rd and 4th quarters of yesterday's win. Sure, yesterday's game wasn't perfect. There are plenty of things to critique. The defense didn't keep Weber St. out of the endzone. Giving up 459 yards of offense. The receivers still giving up long receptions. The offense didn't score on every drive for a FCS opponent. Those 3rd and 4th string players didn't perform at high level. I could go on, but I'm not.
After the game, WR Austin Zouzalik was asked about what people would say about beating up a FCS opponent and I think he summarized my thoughts overall:
Q. What would you say to fans who would point out the wins with the level of competition that you were playing?AUSTIN ZOUZALIK: What should we tell them? I mean, we got the win and that's what we wanted to do. That's really all there is to say.
For one day, I'm going to focus on the positive. You'll have to indulge me. And I'm not about to tell you what to do or to ask you to join me, I know that those sort of attempts usually fall flat on their face. Nevertheless, I'm going to embrace the positivity. These are things that make me happy and things that get me excited for next year's team.
Storylines and MVP's after the jump.
THE STORYLINES
ASIDE: This is a bit of an aside, but I tracked the game in a bit of a different way yesterday and I hope to have the results later this week. Essentially, what I tracked is what did the team did out of every formation. Not surprisingly, this team runs about 90% out of 10 personnel (which is one running back and zero tight ends). There were a handful of players that this team runs out of 11 personnel (one running back and one tight end) and 20 personnel (two running backs and zero tight ends). I'll be interested to see how this team adjusts next year and I think it's one of the things I'll do to track the games.
HAPPY FOR BIRD | During the radio pre-game Bront Bird's dad was interviewed and he talked about how proud he was that his son had persevered during his college career and will graduate from Texas Tech with a degree. For those of you who don't know, Bird lost his mother while at Texas Tech, I think during the football season. Bird, as a player has his faults, but I am infinitely happy for Bird that he's kept a good outlook on life and he's graduating from Texas Tech. Losing a parent isn't easy. Losing a parent while you're still in college is something I don't wish on anyone.
MCROY IS FAST | We've all known that RB Ben McRoy is fast. I really had no idea how fast he actually was. He's not a between-the-tackle sort of runner, but he can get out the edge and to think that he can get out to the edge quicker than fellow RB Harrison Jeffers is something that I wasn't sure I'd ever type. McRoy finished with 76 yards on just 8 carries for a 9.5 average. One other thing that I noted about McRoy was that on one of Doege's pass, McRoy picked up a blitzer and knew exactly where to go and he didn't shy away from contact. The fact that McRoy knows what's going to get him playing time, not necessarily running really fast with the football, but protecting his quarterback, will get McRoy playing time.
HUBERT AND BUSH | If you want a middle linebacker that can run sideline to sideline and hit some folks, then ILB Cqulin Hubert is your guy. I thought Hubert was really good (and I should preface everything positive that I'm going to write by acknowledging that yes, all of these performances came against a FCS opponent) at getting to the ball and was in on 9 tackles and 1.0 TFL. I could see him leap-frogging ILB Tyrone Sonier for playing time next year because he's faster. Maybe Sonier gets moved to Duncan's outside linebacker spot or plays on running teams. But if Sonier is going to do that, he's going to have to beat out OLB Dartwan Bush, who looked fantastic. From his outside linebacker spot, he had 5 tackles and 2.0 TFL and I liked how active he is. From my very untrained eye, I think that Bush is faster than Duncan and just as physical. For both Hubert and Bush, they're playing time this year will pay dividends next year. I think it's safe to say that you can pencil them both in as starters.
MOORE AND WARD | One of my over-used phrases is that this teams needs more "play-makers". There are solid receivers on this team, but I think a big part of what this team has lacked, is a big-time play-maker on this team. A team that truly stretches the defense and is physical enough to go inside. WR Eric Ward should take WR Lyle Leong's spot next year and WR Darrin Moore should take WR Detron Lewis' spot next year. There's no doubt that Ward would have made me feel a lot better by pulling in that slant route for a touchdown, but if he can give better concentration, then Ward could be one of those players that opposing defenses have to account for when lining up. And Moore is a guy that I think shows some pretty darned good athleticism for a guy his size and could be a match-up problem for opposing defenses as he sits at over 6-4/210.
And this doesn't even consider other guys that have made an impact over the past two years like Zouzalik or Alexander Torres, or the play of Cornelius Douglas, etc.
BATCH, POTTS AND SHEFFIELD ALL SHINE | I can't remember who made the comment during the OGDT, but someone asked who got the bigger applause on senior day, QB Taylor Potts of QB Steven Sheffield. I wasn't at the game, but it's my hope that both Potts and Sheffield were giving a big round of applause. If we have to judge a player's worth to a program based on whether or not a player takes a team to a champion then that seems like an unfair bar. What I hope that we can all appreciate is that these players have given 4 and 5 years to the team that you love. Yes, they're given an education, but I don't think that we should ever root for one player to be given more applause more than another. They both gave to Texas Tech and I appreciate that.
And although I'm sure that there were people who didn't even want to see Sheffield play because it was patronizing, you don't know that. For all we know, Sheffield wanted to play because this may be the last time that either Sheffield or Potts will play in the college careers. Anything could happen in the next week, either player could get injured and their career could be over. I've never played athletics on a level greater than high school, but what I can say is that despite being a terrible athlete, I still wanted to play the game. To think that a player doesn't deserve time for whatever reason (i.e., let's see the new, younger, prettier quarterback) seems like an awful reason to give a player the opportunity to play a game on a day dedicated to the senior.
It's no secret that RB Baron Batch is one of, if not my all-time favorite, player for Texas Tech because of the way he's played this game and the way I think he tries to lead his life, he finished the day with 11 carries and 71 yards and a touchdown. You, sir, are one of my favorites.
SO MANY FRESHMEN | I've already talked about Hubert and Bush, but here's the list of freshmen that played yesterday: DT Pearlie Graves, CB Eugene Neboh, CB Tre' Porter, CB D.J. Johnson, QB Jacob Karam, WR Eric Ward, CB Jarvis Phillips, OLB Terrance Bullitt, WR Aaron Fisher, RB Ben McRoy, OLB Dion Chidozie, OLB Daniel Cobb, DE Christopher Knighton, and DE Kerry Hyder. I'm not going to guarantee that any of these guys will be huge players for this team and I can't predict how their careers are going to pan out in the long run, but what I do know is that young players usually get better with more playing time. Either that, or they'll be weeded out by players being redshirted or true freshman next year. The silver lining to having a defense decimated by injuries and suspensions is that players who should have never seen the field are getting valuable playing time. Coaches can't replicate a game experience, I hope like heck that over the next 2 or 3 years it pays dividends.
THE CONTROVERSY HAS JUST BEGUN | QB Seth Doege and QB Jacob Karam both saw action yesterday. Karam's action was obviously fairly limited, but I think what we can expect is the discussion will continue all spring. Doege looked like a completely different quarterback than last year (yes, it was against an FCS opponent, I know) and he played with a bit of swagger. Still, you can't help but like 3 of 4 passing for 58 yards. Doege looked down the field and found open receivers. Of course, both Potts and Sheffield found open receivers down the field as well, but it was good to see Doege shine. I think I'll always remember the spring game in 2009 and Doege had an awful performance. He looked awful, and he was on the field after the game, signing autographs for the kids and he was just dejected. Doege is one of the great unknowns for this team because he doesn't have really any sort of high school career to speak of and his college career thus far has just been as a back-up. We'll know soon enough and I don't think that this competition is even close to being done. And I know that people continue to ask whether or not Karam will transfer to another school. If I had to bet, I think I'd bet that he doesn't. Maybe I'm reading Karam all wrong, but he seems like a really intelligent kid that gets that sometimes there may be better and more experienced players in front of you. It happens at college campuses everywhere. I don't think that Karam is scared of competition and I think he's driven by competition. As are all of these players. A player is just one play away from seeing the field, no matter the position. I think Karam loves Texas Tech and he loves his team. I'd be surprised and shocked if he transferred. What I think he will do, as will all of these players is compete for spots in the spring. There are a lot of positions up for grabs and now it's just a question as to how bad each player wants it.
OFFENSIVE MVP | RB Ben McRoy | See above. Maybe the fastest player to have ever put on a Texas Tech jersey. Someone with a better sense of Texas Tech football history help me out and give us someone else to debate.
DEFENSIVE MVP | ILB Cqulin Hubert | Just loved his range and ability to go sideline to sideline.
SPECIAL TEAMS MVP | K Donnie Carona | I never thought I'd see Carona kick a long field goal ever again, especially a 52 yard field goal. I'm happy that Carona had success yesterday, he hasn't had much as a college kicker and success, even on a small level, is a good thing.
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I am not thrilled about the fact that we pulled the red shirt on Karam for one snap or two yesterday. This makes no sense. Other than that everything else was good. I hope we win one more game (beat UH) just to be sure of going to a bowl game now.
Karam redshirted last year. Scotty Young is being redshirted this year and has not played.
Go Raiders . . .
Double-T Nation
by Seth C on Nov 21, 2010 8:52 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
Karam’s redshirt wasn’t pulled yesterday. He was a RS last year. The QB competition will be great next year. And, thank God we won’t have to listen to the Potts/Sheffield arguments anymore! Potts did a great job!
by TechPrezNB on Nov 21, 2010 8:56 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
Good one.
Go Raiders . . .
Double-T Nation
by Seth C on Nov 21, 2010 8:55 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
Johnny Mack...
my sons all time fave….random. Actually wondered where is he now yesterday.
"It's fun to do bad things"- Latarian
by oldschoolraider on Nov 21, 2010 8:57 AM CST up reply actions
Makes you wonder when seeing McRoy...
exactly how fast is his brother?
"It's fun to do bad things"- Latarian
by oldschoolraider on Nov 21, 2010 9:33 AM CST up reply actions
From the videos
when they were both being recruited, I never got why everyone thought his brother was better and faster. But I may be seeing this through Tech colored glasses. I just thought Ben was faster. And he did have the 2nd fastest 200 time in HS in the United States. So unless his brother was #1…
As a high school defensive player
can you imagine having to defend against both McRoy brothers at the same time? Pretty strange to imagine a high school offense with both McRoy brothers on the field at the same time.
by jeffinhouston on Nov 21, 2010 11:06 AM CST up reply actions
McRoy
i did realize until i saw the roster that he is tiny.
listed at 5’ 9" – 160 lb.
he may need to put on some weight and hopefully not lose that speed.
Whoever said, 'It's not whether you win or lose that counts,' probably lost.
Ben mcroy with 20-30 to thirty more pounds of muscle might equal Barry sanders lite.
by Sawdawg12 on Nov 21, 2010 1:03 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
sonnie cumbie needs to coach him (mcroy) into a Mack
"Whether or not what we experienced was an According to Hoyle miracle is insignificant. What is significant is that I felt the touch of God. God got involved." - Jules Winfield
Nicely done, Seth
It’s nice to start the day with a glass-half-full view of the world.
No problem.
Go Raiders . . .
Double-T Nation
by Seth C on Nov 21, 2010 8:56 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
Offensive Line
I’m excited that we are going to have a strong and experienced O-line to start 2011. They can run and pass block.
The best news for next year..
we actually get better here as we keep everyone….and gain carpenter.
"It's fun to do bad things"- Latarian
by oldschoolraider on Nov 21, 2010 9:23 AM CST up reply actions
And one of the Morales brothers is playing in the Army All-American game. He good.
Go Raiders . . .
Double-T Nation
by Seth C on Nov 21, 2010 9:26 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
Yes, and maybe have some depth
from the guys who did not get on the field this season.
as for me and my house, we chose the Lord.
Oklahoma State
I was really hoping we would beat these guys to the Big 12 championship but no such luck. These guys are playing great football right now and I think they beat OU next week.
A&M looks much improved from what are used to seeing. I still think OSU is the best team in the south presently. This conference is going to be more competitive IMO and the typical powers such as OU and UT are going to have to work much harder moving forward. Recruiting is going to mean everything.
"You've got to find your inner pirate" - Mike Leach
"We started too late" - Neal Brown
Went to trinity/Allen last night
Carter for trinity played about 6 different positions and will be a beast for ou unfortunately. The fg kicker for trinity would look good staying in red and black…
I loathe recruiting, but who is our big body receiver coming in? Lewis and Leong play big.
"It's fun to do bad things"- Latarian
by oldschoolraider on Nov 21, 2010 9:31 AM CST reply actions
I saw Corker up close at the Baylor game….he looks a lot like LaGarrette Blount (Tampa Bay), but certainly not build that same way. I really hope to see him play soon….he looks like a gangsta….someone who will go out and start a fight with the opponents! I think we need a player like this on teams moving forward.
by WreckerRaider on Nov 21, 2010 10:05 PM CST up reply actions
Share your sentiments....
I’ve been a long time follower of DTN and have typically always been very active during football season. This year I’ve stayed away, however, in large part due to the same half-empty, half full disparity that has divided the Tech fan base all year.
In my opinion it’s simply not fair to judge a new coaching staff based on their success or lack thereof, in one year. In the case of Tech’s fanbase (not just on DTN, but everywhere), there seems to be a majority that have ruled their verdict on Tubberville, Brown and Willis early on, and have gone out of their way to campaign for their removal….in some cases, before the season even started.
I know that in our situation, the circumstances are much different than most coaching changes. There is still a lot of sour aftertaste with many people and it’s likely to linger for years.
For me personally, an admitted lifelong optimist, glass half-fuller, perpetually trying to find the positive in even the most bleek situation….it’s tough to constantly read the dread and despair that results from these trying times.
Yes, we’ve been bad this year, and we have a long way to go to get anywhere close to 2008 status. But how good were we, really? I don’t buy into the argument that Tubs inherited a talent-rich team that should have won 9-10 games this year. The fact is, Tubs inherited the worst team in 10 years. There is no question that this is the weakest team at quarterback that we’ve had since Rob Peters. And this is a program centered around the QB. We lost to UofH last year, a really bad Aggie team, and needed a fourth quarter rally to beat a RGIII-less Baylor. A lot of Tubs haters point to the fact that this was a bowl winning team that he inherited….anyone remember that MSU suspended 11 starters prior to the game? My point is….if you had expectations for this already flawed team to flourish under a brand new staff immediately…. were your expectations realistic? There were a lot of Tech fans calling for Tubs to be fired after the fourth game of the season…. Is that reasonable?
I totally understand the disappointment after a lackluster year…. But realistically, if we finish with 7 wins….how bad was it, considering what we had to work with?
by 2001Raider on Nov 21, 2010 9:38 AM CST via mobile reply actions
If we finish with 7 wins after the year of turmoil we've had it's not bad
But please don’t lay it at the players feet:
The fact is, Tubs inherited the worst team in 10 years.
That is not a fact, that is your opinion. Teams with a great deal of talent can have very bad years. Just witness the year the Longhorns are having. My opinion is we have a very talented team this year.
Why couldn’t we ever get things clicking on all cylinders? My guess is the coaching shake up. Many of the younger guys on the team came to Tech just to play for Leach. Additionally the accusations of player mistreatment and then the termination of Leach had to shake these young men up. Implementing a new coaching staff with a new way of doing things and a divided fan base had to add more difficulties to the situation. Not to mention all the injuries.
Just a guess on my part. And hats off to these young men for shouldering more than they should have to and giving it their best. I guess some of us “glass half-empty” folks can learn something from them…
That is countrier than a biscuit. - Garth Brooks
What team in the last 10 years was worse
than this year’s or last year’s teams? When have we ever had less stability at QB? Yes, my statement that this team is the worst in 10 years is my opinion, but please give me some evidence to prove otherwise. From Kingsbury to Harrell, we have always at least had a signal caller that would had consistency. This is the first time that we haven’t, and it has hurt the team devastatingly.
by 2001Raider on Nov 21, 2010 11:35 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
Last year...
The coach was more willing to pull the starter when it was evident it wasn’t his day
"It's fun to do bad things"- Latarian
by oldschoolraider on Nov 21, 2010 11:45 AM CST up reply actions
But yes...
we hadn’t had qb issues like this in years. Here’s to picking a starter next year and not having to second guess
"It's fun to do bad things"- Latarian
by oldschoolraider on Nov 21, 2010 11:53 AM CST up reply actions
We have 2 Senior QBs
that had been running a system for 4 years and suddenly that system was replaced with a completely different system and we have QB issues, go figure. If Sheffield or Potts were running the same system they were trained in throughout their career then either would have been much better that what we saw this year. The problem is not lack of talent, the problem is change and a staff not able to work with the talent that was given to them.
"A pretty girl will leave you. An ugly girl will leave you too but then again who really cares?"
by FriscoRaider on Nov 21, 2010 12:01 PM CST up reply actions
I'll agree with this statement
Both Potts and Sticks looked way better last year.
Agree with all the comments posted here by others...
it’s not the players but the coaching. And the changes in staff and the system.
That is countrier than a biscuit. - Garth Brooks
Disagree and Agree
I totally agree that we need to focus on some positives more often here and luckily Seth keeps us on track there. And coaching changes are tough.
What I disagree on is that this team is the worst in 10 years. They are certainly not the 2008 team but we have certain positions (like RB) that are better than they were in 2008. The O line played better than last year, RB was better, LB was the same guys with another year of experience. We were hurt by Wall leaving but the secondary problems relate to injuries mainly. And could some of those injuries be because we went to a different strength and condition coach? I don’t know but maybe.
The main difference in this team and the prior ten years is obviously the coaches and QB. I fully believe and always will that the staff should have started Sticks and we would have been a few games better this year. I still think Potts is the worst QB Tech has had since Leach. I think Sticks at some point just couldn’t keep up motivation working with the scout team. I think Potts being able to screw up repeatedly and yet be backed by the coaches and still get to start is tough to deal with if you are Sticks. And overall I think Sticks just played a lot better last year when it actually mattered and we were still running the Air Raid. And maybe that is the problem with QB this year (in part) is that our offense has changed. The plays have changed. As bad as I think Potts is, Brown has been worse.
So, no I do not for a second think this was the worst team of the last ten years. And just comparing to 2009 who won 8 games regular season, we were a year better and had almost everyone back. This staff gets a D- for this season in my book.
Now for the half glass full in me, a new staff with a totally different philosophy on football, is going to take some time to adjust. I hope that in the future these guys stick with it and make improvements. Having UT and OU at home in 2012 (as well as a second year QB hopefully) should mean we are set up well. I want to see us win every game and Tubs has done that before. At this point I will just have to trust in that 13-0 season at Auburn and hope he can adjust to life in the Big 12 the same way.
Agree with some....
In an understatement, Weber State is no where near as talented as OU, OSU, Missouri, A&M, or other teams in the B12-2. Having said that and listening to the flawless execution of the two initial drives, I couldnβt help to think that previous losses were due in part to the players not fully buying into the HCβs changes unless it was clear that the playerβs team talent clearly exceeded their opponents. This was the case with Weber State. In other words the teamβs "will to win" and confidence in themselves and the system was not with Tubbs this season as it was in the last 5 seasons with Leach minus some games. The Texas game illustrated this lack of confidence and the players were way too "tight" and felt inferior to UT even though this season they werenβt. Will this confidence come forth in the next two games, assuming Tech goes bowling and they beat Houston? It sets the tone for the off-season. If not, Tech unfortunately will have repeats of this season in the future.
Tubbs’ and OC’s real challenge is to convince the 3-star talent that they are 5-star and that Tubbs system will beat anyone. He and the coordinators failed this year with a talent pool that was above average on offense. Hawkins at Boise State and Patterson of TCU, although playing a weaker schedule, seem to have done this.
"What the hell's goin' on out there!" Vince Lombardi
You express opinions, not fact.
I respect that it is your opinion that Tubs “inherited the worst team in 10 years”, but you cannot prove it as fact. I respect that it is your opinion that “this is the weakest team at QB”, you cannot prove it as fact.
The 2 QB’s from Tech 2009 returned, and so did many of our offensive and defensive players. Perhaps Tech 2010 was not as good as Tech 2009, byt to state they were “flawed” cannot be proclaimed as fact.
Tech has always had a clunker loss, but many more signature wins. Last year’s stomping of Nebraska at Lincoln (with Potts and Sheffield as QB) is case-in-point.
While Michigan State may have had 11 players suspended for the Bowl game, I’d argue that the firing of Leach was more disruptive to the Tech team.
The U of H loss last year was to a ranked team with a terrific QB (not to mention a bone-headed 4th down call by Leach), and the loss to TAMU was fresh of the controversey of Potts vs. Sheffield and the beginning of the unraveling of Leach.
Yes, Tech 2009 was marred with controversey (Twitter, suspensions, helmet-throwing, divisiveness based upon the QB controversey, the madness of Leach, the Nancy James scandal, and the firing of Leach), but it had talent. And much of that talent makes up Tech 2010.
To say Tech 2010 was flawed, and had the worst talent of any Tech team in 10 years, is simply wrong.
I expected more, much more, and bought into the Tubs philosophy that a few more running plays and an aggressive, attacking defense would be the ticket to winning a national championship. We did not come close this year, but hopefully through the tribulations of this year we get stronger.
But the shortcomings of Tech 2010 is not, in my opinion, because of a lack of talent.
Take the "P" out of "Pirate" and I'm "Irate"!!!
Merk
If I have learned anything from the last few weeks on this site it is that expectations are flawed and that folks like you and me who want and expect better are fools and not true tech fans. On one post someone wanted to put me on suicide watch because I was displaying disatisfaction..(it was a joke of course), but typical of some people on the site.
If you and I want to co-exist with everyone on here then I really feel like it is expected that we conform and join the sunshine pumpers that dominate the website.. Seth does a good job of keeping things real, if you will, pointing out that we did play a weaker opponent, but you and I are extremist that must be silenced for the better collective good.
I agree with your post, and my only wish is that people realize that making excuses for this coaching staff this year might be as “dumb” as Always seeing the glass for this coaching staff as half full.
"Everything will be better once we get a fullback....."
Try not to take it personally when one or two people call you out for not having their exact same perspective
What makes this board interesting is the diversity of opinions. I like reading your posts.
It’s okay to disagree and see things differently. Some people either don’t get that or don’t like that.
That is countrier than a biscuit. - Garth Brooks
I would suggest never visiting other Tech websites....
DTN, for better or worse, is far more critical of this staff than any other I gave seen by factors of 100. If you feel persecuted here, it doesn’t get any easier.
"Dress good, yu'll play good. Play good, yu'll get paid good." -Deion Sanders
Nope
I can hack it, I just think it is funny that just because I am negative to this coaching staff I am seen as a lesser fan…..a t-shirt fan..
Define a True Tech fan for me then….
I support the Team, I send my money, I buy my season tix, I love my school…..but yet I suck cause I wont keep drinking the kool aid for this season????
"Everything will be better once we get a fullback....."
Your a fan alright.....settle down.
"Dress good, yu'll play good. Play good, yu'll get paid good." -Deion Sanders
I think
it has more to do with the fact that while your criticism of aspects of the program are probably fairly accurate, you fail to see anything positive when it occurs. And yes, some good things have happened. But if you want to play martyr, then so be ti.
I am no martyr nor do I play one on DTN....
I can’t see the positive against Weber State. I want to see the positive against the Big 12 south, or heck, against a Sun Belt team…… Is that wrong of me?
"Everything will be better once we get a fullback....."
In a way, yes.
We beat Baylor, for what it’s worth, and they aren’t awful. We beat a pretty good Mizzou team, but instead of appreciating that, you make excuses for Missouri. I’m just not quite sure what you want at times.
OSU is a top 10 team…OU is top 15…Texas A&M is top 20…then Baylor us and Texas. The only game we “should” have won is Texas. You want certain results from Tech without aknowledging that other teams have improved quite a bit over last year.
I want results based on the fact that ou..r team was not as crappy as we are told
I dont really care that much about the win loss…actually it is not much different than the average Tech season, what I am concerned with is that we are getting better and we are not…at least it does not look like it on the field…
"Everything will be better once we get a fullback....."
Defensively, you are right. Very little in the way of progress. But we can’t dismiss the multitude of injuries to starters when we were thin to begin with.
Offensively, I have seen some improvement in the OLine. Not dramatic, but I guess I’ve been mentally pointing to 2011 all year anyway.
Fair enough
If the O-line is as bad as it seems then maybe next year we will be able to throw the ball down field more and NB won’t look like such a loser. But I see the draws and lateral throws as the reason the box is stacked and the d-line can pin their ears back and get after our qb. I blame that on the lack of time. I hope I am wrong and NB is the boy wonder I thought he was when we hired him….2011 can not get here fast enough for me so I can find out..or is that too soon to judge too?
"Everything will be better once we get a fullback....."
Frankly, I think NB is as frustrated as we are with the lack of downfield plays. I don’t think he or Tuberville take any joy in the constant swing and screen pass. But if that’s all they can get off, then that’s what they have to do.
I bet NB is worried about his job at this point, if things don't turn around I would be surprised if he isn't one of the first to go
That is countrier than a biscuit. - Garth Brooks
I want to believe that is true
I really do. I hope he can turn it around and make us the offensive team we were and then make us good enough to beat OU and UT on a regular basis well atleast good enough to score more than 21 points on them on a regular basis…
"Everything will be better once we get a fullback....."
Tech92
Listen, you and I agree on many things…but did you really watch the Mizzou game? I mean, did you really see us play better? Maybe we can watch that game together some day and we can compare notes…?
"Everything will be better once we get a fullback....."
We outscored them...the only thing that matters
Always find room for improvement, but at the same time when we win a game we clearly did a lot right…
Yes we did..
I just want to hope for the future and I dont wan’t a lucky win to cloud the future. This coaching staff needs to improve a lot and if we don’t hold their feet to the fire and accept every excuse they give then my fear is that they won’t improve.
"Everything will be better once we get a fullback....."
for the record, I am frustrated too...I had a bit higher expectation
but at some point I have to realize a few things…
1. Tuberville is here for several seaons, so I need to find things that he’s doing right to rally behind for my own sanity
2. The staff didn’t adjust to this team like I thought, and I don’t think that’s anyone’s fault. Some transitions go great, some don’t. And I don’t think they can be predicted with any accuracy.
Which leads me to…
3. Enjoy the good things that happen when they happen. Success isn’t a given at this point (and never was), but I do think we’ll be fine in the long run. 2010 sucked, but I don’t presume to know that improvement is impossible.
Amen!
People on DTN are really pretty polite, thanks to Seth’s no-personal-attacks policy (which I wish other sites would adopt). Folks may disagree with my viewpoint, but I don’t have to listen to someone acting like a junior high kid drunk on his first beer. Other opinions ARE generally respected on DTN—not so on other (that shall remain nameless) sites!
I think I broke at some point at the season and have 0 patience for defeatism. I try to stay away, but it’s the internet :-/
I’m sorry if I get on your case for it, it really isn’t fair to you. I can very easily look at things that are not right with this staff, but I can also see what is right and I have to hope that the next year brings better results. I tend to be a very results oriented person, and I just haven’t been able to see what you and others in your same mindset hope to accomplish by going negative toward the coaches.
It’s a damn sight better than being a fan of Minnesota.
I agree being a Minn fan is worse..
I will reboot for 2011. I don’t want to think that we will always be this bad, and I do hope that our team and coaches are learning lessons this year that will translate into next year. I am also very results oriented and I guess thats what drives my negativity. I honestly did not and do not believe that our talent level is as bad as we have displayed on the field this season, but maybe it is. I am struggling to find an explanation for that this season, and to me it is the coaching staff. We can all agree to disagree and i will shut up.
Funny thing is that I was looking up the ticketcity bowl or whatever it is called and making plans to buy my tix if that is where we go……..
"Everything will be better once we get a fullback....."
And I should
also add that no one is trying to silence you, but people are disagreeing with you. There’s a huge difference. No one, including me, had told you to be quiet or shut-up, but people have disagreed with you. That’s the nature of having a different opinion.
And If I really wanted to “silence” you and Merk, it would be incredibly easy and take just one or two clicks of the mouse. And the reason why people want to, as you say, make excuses for this staff, is because I think that people, at their basest level, want to believe in positive things. That doesn’t make them any more wrong than you or Merk, but I think that most people want to be positive with their team, no matter the situation. It’s why every baseball team is optimistic during spring training or every football team is optimistic during spring practice.
Go Raiders . . .
Double-T Nation
The Malaise of Mediocrity
Until recently, (prior to Leach; and primarily his altter years), Tech football was mired in the malaise of mediocrity. Just becoming Bowl eligible was deemed a success.
I have been harshly critical of Tubs and staff and Tech football 2010 – and have received my fair share of criticism for being so “negative” – but I have suffered through too many average seasons to simply accept a record that is barely above .500 to be pleased.
Despite what anyone will claim, I believe Tech 2010 had a star-studded team returning, and their failure this year is becasue the coaching staff failed to recognize the tlanet and skills of this team as it related to the type of Offense or Defense systems it put in place.
Perhaps we do beat U of H and finish 7-5, go to a Bowl and win ending the season at 8-5, and while I’ll be happy, it does not satisfy me.
Unless we expect more of our team, our players, our coaches and our Administration/B.O.R., we will always be a mediocre football team that occassinally has a good season.
I will continue to comment as I see fit, despite it being unpopular or counter to many other DTN bloggers.
Take the "P" out of "Pirate" and I'm "Irate"!!!
You would have to get up
pretty early to be more cynical than me….and I actually gain a bit of optimism from Seth and other half full types. It is also liberating to be open and embrace counter ideas….it’s easy to get invested too much to a position for no real reason. Hance and company have definitely made tubs job more difficult w me and that’s not totally fair. Carry on.
"It's fun to do bad things"- Latarian
by oldschoolraider on Nov 22, 2010 11:24 AM CST up reply actions
Ut's poor season
Makes my company’s meeting at Barton creek much more bearable in two weeks.
"It's fun to do bad things"- Latarian
by oldschoolraider on Nov 22, 2010 11:29 AM CST up reply actions
Dude, don't stop
The variety of opinions expressed here is why DTN is my homepage on my laptop. But understand as well that the opinions that differ from yours are just as valid as yours – and vice versa. I think that’s what makes some of the excahanges go from interesting to banal very quickly.
You are not alone in your expectation for excellence from the team. And much of our issues can be blamed on coaching – but not all of it. We have to bear in mind that OSU and the Aggies are much better than they were last year. I think we lose those games no matter what. We also lose to OU no matter what. The only games that make me scratch my head are ISU and UT. Those are regrettable, to be mild. Then again, the Mizzou game caught me off guard, too. So we’ll say, for argument’s sake, that we lost one more winnable game than normal this year. I’ll write that off to transition and expect better next season.
In fact, I expect this team to win a minimum of 8 regular season games next year even with a first year starter at QB. Our very young OL and defense will be better (they just HAVE to be….don’t they?). And our young RBs are the best we may have ever had here. WR should be fine. Add a bowl game win (hopefully) and we’re right back where we were with nine wins and the earth is back on it’s proper tilt.
I am happy for the players that Tubby and crew are going to pull out a better than I expected season...but
I don’t see how you can say “what we had to work with”- we returned 16 starters from last year. Yes, last year there were glitches for sure, and in some cases directly attributed to Leach’s coaching, but I think most TTU fans were pretty optimistic at the end of last season (before the Leach debacle) that we would have a geat season this year. We got a coach who lied to the fans from day one. A coach who claimed all kind of excuses for poor coaching and poor performance…the wind for example. He lost the respect of many almost from day one of the season and then he had to try to earn it back. I am not there yet. I think I am a pretty good judge of character and Tubby reaks used car salesman to me. I’d like him to move along. I don’t think he cares one bit about TTU-this is a way back into college coaching for him and that’s all it is.
My bs meter was overused
for tubs first few weeks…months. But nothing too bad lately, hopefully he has learned that the fine people of west Texas are good, but we can smell bs from long distance.
"It's fun to do bad things"- Latarian
by oldschoolraider on Nov 21, 2010 10:03 AM CST up reply actions
Part of me
totally agrees with everything said here.
I am with you Seth optimistic mostly because we are still breathing. And in one piece. I donβt really like the record amassed by the team. I canβt say I liked the game management of the coaches this year, I think what we saw from an offensive production standpoint was that Leach Really was a genius at getting after other peoples weaknesses. Putting his teamβs strengths up against opponentsβ teamβs weaknesses and conversely masking the Raiders weaknesses. Know thyself. And unto thyself be true. So all in all I like the team. I Appreciate the sweat, dedication and energy which went into playing at this level. We fans are just the recipients of entertainment who get to foot the bill. The players and coaches sacrificed. Tech has a better than even shot at crushing the Cougars, a very good chance to get into a decent bowl. Thatβs worth a lot so IMO the glass is half full. Enjoy the ride fellow Raiders.
"do routine things routinely"
Tyrone Thurman
Tyrone was pretty dang fast, not sure how he would stack up against a jackrabbit tho.
LOVED Tyrone Thurman. Great memories of him hustling down the sideline. Wonder what he's doing now?
That is countrier than a biscuit. - Garth Brooks
I think what
we’re seeing happen in College Station this year is something akin to what we will see with this team next year. The players will have had time to adjust to the staff and probably more importantly, the coaches will have had time to adjust to the players. There will be a fresh outlook at QB (thank goodness!!), some seasoned OL guys and defensive players who matured in a trial by fire manner this year, and fresh legs with different skill sets at RB.
I have hopes for a 9 win season given the amount of growing up this young team will have had this year. Plus, it won’t hurt that we’ll be two years removed from the Leach fiasco and by then any lingering issues with the players will be long gone.
I predict a rough year next season
Our schedule is brutal.
Week 1: @TCU.
Week 2: New Mexico
Week 3: Nevada
Week 4: @ Kansas
Week 5: Texas A&M
Week 6: Kansas State
Week 7: @Oklahoma
Week 8: Iowa State
Week 9: @Texas
Week 10: Oklahoma State
Week 11: @ Missouri
Week 12: @ Baylor
By my glass half way up view, I see the following:
Likely Wins
New Mexico
Nevada (Fortunately Colin Kaepernick graduates in 2010)
@Kansas
Iowa State
Likely Losses
@TCU
@Oklahoma (Landry will be in his third year, experienced OL)
@Texas (Gilbert in his second year)
Toss Ups
Kansas State (No idea how good they really are)
Texas A&M (Tannehill starts in Lubbock. See KSU.)
Mizzou (Mizzou)
@Baylor (depends if RG III is back and how much BU has to play for)
Oklahoma State (Weeden is back, OL more experienced, depends who goes to the NFL. This is probably a generous spot to place OSU)
"This time it's different."
by LondonRaider on Nov 21, 2010 1:14 PM CST up reply actions
I for the most part agree with you on these London. I probably see us beating TCU because they lose everybody especially Dalton who makes that offense work. I think Tech has a good shot at beating A&M in Lubbock especially since that will be our best home game crowd.
"You've got to find your inner pirate" - Mike Leach
"We started too late" - Neal Brown
Well, that certainly makes me feel better about our chances!
"This time it's different."
by LondonRaider on Nov 21, 2010 1:44 PM CST up reply actions
Let’s not forget that we are breaking in a new QB. And that we are returning the majority of players from the worst defense in the Big 12.
No matter how you slice it, I think 2011 will be a rebuilding year. We’ve got to hope that our experience and our schedule will be favor a better outcome in 2012
"This time it's different."
by LondonRaider on Nov 21, 2010 1:51 PM CST up reply actions
Actually think breaking in a new QB is a good thing.
Got a good laugh over, “returning the majority of players from the worst defense in the Big 12.” Sad but true.
That is countrier than a biscuit. - Garth Brooks
the TCU coaches can flat out coach
Ours, not so much.
by Arizona Raider on Nov 21, 2010 1:47 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Dick Winder is STILL on the TCU staff
He’s been in football a looooong time. I loved him when he was here at Tech as the OC under Spike.
Tommy Tuberville can bite my shiny metal ass!!!
I take that back..apparently he retired in 07. My bad.
Tommy Tuberville can bite my shiny metal ass!!!
Trey haverty is on staff at tcu
"It's fun to do bad things"- Latarian
by oldschoolraider on Nov 22, 2010 11:25 AM CST up reply actions
I have by my guess
Seven wins, four toss ups…the only games I won’t be optimistic about are OU (as always) and A&M.
Thanks for this...
interesting to see that your predictions, and I agree, have most of our wins out of conference. Will be nice to be competitive in our conference, especially the Big 12 South, again at some point. Still think Baylor is the only team we have a shot of beating next year. Hate to say it but A&M is looking really good.
That is countrier than a biscuit. - Garth Brooks
Atm looked pretty good in 2004 when we lost to them in OT in CS. They even made it to the cotton bowl that year, while we made it to the holiday bowl thanks to mack bowns politicking his way into the rose bowl. As good as Atm looked that year they got slaughtered by tenn in the cotton and totally flat lined the next few years after that. I agree they looked good last night, but martinez was hurt and their offense didn’t score a TD. If taylor martinez was healthy I think that would have been a different game. Not making excuses for NU bc I’m still pissed that they are leaving and I’m glad they lost.
by ST04 on Nov 21, 2010 6:18 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Agree with the wins ...
Will add OSU, ATM, and MU to likely losses. Their staffs will make the difference.
by Arizona Raider on Nov 21, 2010 2:04 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
I will never
Consider any game against Gilbert as a loss..kid doesn’t have it. I dare you to move that to a tossup.
"It's fun to do bad things"- Latarian
by oldschoolraider on Nov 21, 2010 3:15 PM CST up reply actions
I like your style OSR
"This time it's different."
by LondonRaider on Nov 21, 2010 6:10 PM CST up reply actions
The bottom line is
that we won one game against a Big 12 South team. Was that really anyone’s expectation for this year even after the team was blown up in December of 2009? I suppose we could have done worse and lost to Baylor and I am glad that we don’t have to go into next season with a coach still looking for his first win in the South. If Tuberville was honest with us would he say that one win against the South was his expectation, would the staff and players say that this is what they expected? If the problem with this team was a lack of talent then I think we would have had low expectations.
Next year with a tougher schedule I expect more, but I have no confidence that we will get more.
"A pretty girl will leave you. An ugly girl will leave you too but then again who really cares?"
Tuberville's expectations
It is difficult to imagine that Tubs didn’t “expect” to win all South games despite knowing that it was theoretically difficult. How many games are won by expecting to lose? I think the talk about championships was a real goal. I never believed that he was promising one this year.
Next year’s schedule is daunting, but I expect the team to expect to win each of them. It would have been real easy not to expect to win against Misery this year.
Of course Tuberville's goal is to win every game otherwise he wouldn't be an HC. Expectations are a whole other thing...
As a fan I certainly don’t expect us to win every game. That would just make me miserable and disappointed a lot. I can hope but not expect. And some games I don’t even hope – like Oklahoma.
That is countrier than a biscuit. - Garth Brooks
Hate to rain on the parade ...
but the staff has been the downfall this year and it will be the team’s downfall next year unless they can accelerate their learning curves.
If the staff remains in tact, it will likely be four more years before we compete for a Big 12 championship. They are just too green and inexperienced to compete for a championship.
by Arizona Raider on Nov 21, 2010 12:50 PM CST reply actions
Yep
This was no doubt a rebuilding season for a young and inexperienced staff trying to compete in what’s probably the toughest division in college football. I think success will come in time but these coaches have to do a better job with the understanding the levels of competition in this conference. 2 maybe 3 more years will make a huge difference but anybody hoping for a BCS anytime soon is delusional.
"You've got to find your inner pirate" - Mike Leach
"We started too late" - Neal Brown
The real downfall of this team
has been defensive injuries (and suspension) coupled with totally inconsistent execution by the offense. Potts couldn’t complete 50% of passes against OU but completes 21 of 24 against Weber. Coaches don’t throw and catch the ball. What percentage of those OU incompletions did the OU defenders bat down?
Despite returning all but one receiver from 2009, I have been troubled all year by the inability of these receivers to stretch the field vertically for Potts’ “strong arm”. There have been long runs after catch, but, other than the fades to Leong, where were the vertical pass completions which has made me wonder about lack of speed in the receiver corp?
How many deep patterns did you see called by this OC?
I am sure that our rec can use improvement… they are just kids and they are all still learning, but could you tell me how many plays were actually meant to get the ball down field this year. I would submit that it is hard to get open on 3rd and 10 or greater after two failed running plays have left you with that yardage to gain. Most teams are not fooled at that down and distance…
Of course I am no expert and it could just be that our players suck and it is not the coaching, but I really doubt that is all of it. Coaches dont throw and catch passes, but they are supposed to be the ones that teach these kids how to do it and IMHO most of our guys don’t seem to be showing much improvement, especially on defense. Maybe they are not going to be the number one defense in the country, but shouldn’t a D1 defense be able to hold Weber State under the total yardage they got yesterday? I know we had lots of backups in there, but still.. By the way, it is funny to hear all of the talk about how all the young kids got a chance to play… I thought we had not talent and that there was not future at Tech right now for the defense. I thought that the 2011 recruting class, the TT class that will begin to save us and usher in the era of championships would be our first real influx of talent?
Which leads me to ask a few questions…
If we had these kids available, you know the ones that looked so good yesterday, why not go ahead and play them earlier in the year? Were we afraid to give up 700 yards per game instead of 675 by playing some of these youngsters sooner? Are we better off by waiting until we had a blowout going against Weber State before some of them saw the field?
"Everything will be better once we get a fullback....."
Young kids
My thought on this yesterday was that late in the season they have been in the program long enough get the coaches comfortable with them given their improvement. I go back to the years of Freshman Football where there were only 3 years of varsity. Watching them at their games, you could rarely imagine them playing in a varsity game that year with the typical few exceptions.
My biggest bone of contention with this staff is their
play calling and inability to make consistent adjustments. That is inexperience. They are consistently getting out coached by our opponents. BTW – Leach and his crew went through the same growing pains. It wasn’t until about 2007 that staff, as an unit, started to coach at a consistently high level. (29-10 during that time)
Personally, I don’t have the patience to wait five to six years until this staff matures when arguably we have the best talent that Tech has ever had and was competing at a very high level before this staff was hired.
To me, our CEO coach made a strategic blunder by hiring such a green staff (18 years of cumulative D-1 experience) and paying them comparable wages (a cumulative $9,000 less) to the Florida’s coaches of 2009. Florida’s staff blew away this staff on every level. They have proven that you can hire experienced, proven coaches who can recruit with the best of them, and stay within budget.
With Tommy’s name and reputation, I expected much more out of him.
As far as the WR’s go, I believe that catching the ball is about 80%-90% concentration and desire while running routes is about 60%-70% desire with the rest technique. It is the responsibility of the coaches to get those WR’s ready. Guess what? This is the first year coaching at the D-1 level for both our WR’s coaches … and it seems to me that they were schooled countless times by opposing coaches.
I don’t believe that our returning receivers suddenly lost their talent. I believe that it was the coaches who didn’t get our receivers ready.
I give the team a pass on the injuries, but the lack of execution weighs heavier on the coaches side. They need to get their players ready and put them in the best positions to be successful.
by Arizona Raider on Nov 21, 2010 10:46 PM CST up reply actions
It was me who asked who got the louder cheers between Potts and Sheff...
I was just curious of the crowd reaction…….the video feed most of us were watching was having audio problems at the time. I was honestly hoping there were no boos…especially on Senior Day.
Tommy Tuberville can bite my shiny metal ass!!!
That happens next year when nancy graduates.
by ST04 on Nov 21, 2010 6:26 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
I may go to Senior Day next year just to boo Nancy and her dad. And I am not a boo-er, but I believe an exception can be made in this case.
BTW, what do you think Nancy is getting her degree in? Photography perhaps? Her video in the electrical room was priceless.
That is countrier than a biscuit. - Garth Brooks
I like how she still had her head band on. Maybe she can get a job as mayhem on those insurance commercials.
by ST04 on Nov 21, 2010 8:23 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
I like how she still had her head band on. Maybe she can get a job as mayhem on those insurance commercials.
by ST04 on Nov 21, 2010 8:26 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Good analysis Seth
I don’t recollect a faster player at Tech than McRoy. If I remember correctly, his time in the 200m last spring in HS was 20.93. His brother ran the 100m in 10.4. Ben made a comment in an interview last winter about them being similar size and speed.
We always spend a lot of effort on number of stars in recruiting. Yesterday in the Michigan game they were discussing the finding of “hidden talent” and the star system. Comment was most coaches even on big name teams expect to find 2 or 3 of those fly under the radar guys per year. Here is sophomore Denard Robinson setting records at Michigan and being highly discussed for Heisman, but he was 101 overall on ESPN and 188 overall on Rivals. Michigan initially offered him an “athlete” scholarship (like everyone else) only to be turned down. Only when they agreed to QB would he sign. He runs a 10.4 100m without shoelaces. Wonder if he chases rabbits?
McRoy seems to be one of those under the radar types.
Interesting
how a monicker gets hung on you. Wonder whose idea that rabbit chase was? I have a hunch Corker talked McRoy into it. Could be wrong.
What's also interesting is the developing folklore....
I saw the video…he sort of stalked then chased after a bolting rabbit. Emphasis on “chased”. Heard announcers yesterday suggest he “caught” the rabbit. Next season we’ll hear how McRoy’s speedy hunting prowess and predatory predilection for hasenpfeffer quickly doomed the campus population of rabbits, forcing coaches to import alternative prey. Like antelope..or emus.
Loudest cheers...
Batch got the loudest cheer that I heard. Sticks’ cheers a little louder than Potts—both were cheered loudly, though. Nice to see that for these guys after a tough 2010. Didn’t hear any boos!
Glad we had a good game and that lots of guys got to play. Hope Tubs and his staff may be learning—gee, I sure hope so. I’ll give him credit if he learns from his mistakes, but I’ll rip him if he doesn’t. After all, that’s one of the things they get PAID for. Still can’t believe his statement about not realizing that the Big 12 teams threw the ball so much. Oh really? Didn’t you watch freakin’ TAPE—that’s your JOB! Oh well, maybe Homeboy Cornbread’s learning. Still miss the Pirate.
BTW
That McRoy kid is freakin’ FAST. Give him the the ball and…WHOOSH, TOUCHDOWN! I hope this kid stays healthy, since I could get used to seeing him make those plays.
McRoy
I’d love to see this kid as an inside receiver next season. That of course depends on our coaches learning the spread offense before then. I think his speed and athleticism as a YAC guy would be huge. Probably a Welker+ type player if they reposition him.
"You've got to find your inner pirate" - Mike Leach
"We started too late" - Neal Brown
And how bout
punt and kick returns….
"It's fun to do bad things"- Latarian
by oldschoolraider on Nov 21, 2010 5:33 PM CST up reply actions
And wild raider
can you imagine…
"It's fun to do bad things"- Latarian
by oldschoolraider on Nov 21, 2010 8:16 PM CST up reply actions
Thank You Seth!
For weeks I have pretty much stayed away from commenting at all because of the overwhelming flow of negativity. It has been astounding to me that so many people had absolutely nothing to say about how we shut down the #12 team in the nation, then come out of the woodwork when we lose in Norman. I too believe that there is a large number of “fans” out there that are so jaded by the administration that they won’t allow themselves to pull for the guy that got the job after the nuclear fallout that was the Leach situation. It is a shame to see.
Our team deserves better from us, I mean if we are going to sit here and secretly wish bad on the team to show the administration that they made a mistake then why not go out to the local gas station and pick up one of those fancy burnt orange cow shirts everyone is wearing, or those old school maroon shirts that have started to re-emerge.
Who is secretly wishing bad on the team?? Just because we dont like what we see on the field??
We dd not shut down the number 12 team in the nation! They shut themselves down! Those recievers were wide open the whole game, just like every other game. Mizzou played bad and we had nothing to do with it! A win is a win, but please don’t get too crazy about this coaching staff. The truth is all some of us want.
I supported TT but his lies and excuses have been used up on me. His OC and DC are jokes right now. Maybe they will get better, maybe they won’t but please don’t call us lesser fans! That is getting just as tiresome as some of you say our negativity is getting to you! T-Shirt Fans is what we are going to be called now, becasue we won’t line up and follow the sunshine agenda like you guys!! What a joke!
"Everything will be better once we get a fullback....."
Dude, your giving up on tubbs after 1 year?
I have been misunderstood many time when I have said that tubbs was the best coach we’ve ever had. I guess I really should say he’s the most qualified. He won tons of games in auburn and obviously had a formula that worked. It may not be outcoaching but if he can bring in 4-5 star recruits and give us a tough defense I’m all for it. Give him a chance to win his way. If I remember right what leach was trying to do early in his career seemed crazy and people were telling him to run the ball more. But after giving him sometime his way worked. All Im saying is give tubbs some time. 1-2 more years. You may be sorry if u don’t.
by Sawdawg12 on Nov 21, 2010 7:48 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
I meant to say best coach we’ve ever hired
by Sawdawg12 on Nov 21, 2010 7:49 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
It always cracks me up when people say to give Tuberville a chance...
…and this is not aimed at you Sawdawg…my old college roommate tells me this all the time. She has even started taking cookies to Tuberville every week before the games. Anyway, my point being, we don’t have a choice. He is the coach. As long as he is the coach I want nothing but for him to be successful. Doesn’t mean I’ll always like him though. Seriously, he needs to quit talking about the wind being a problem, he’s in Lubbock now… :-)
That is countrier than a biscuit. - Garth Brooks
FYI
I am not giving up on TT. I am not buying his excuses either. Idid not vote for Obama, but I dont want to see him run our country into the ground to prove myself right. In the same way I don’t want to see TT run the Tech FB program into the ground in order for me to be right. I just want to make sure that we keep the pressure on him enough that he keeps his eye on the ball.
Plus I get pissed when we look bad…sue me!
"Everything will be better once we get a fullback....."
Tech 92 is my new DTN best friend
Whether he likes it or not….please don’t hold that against him…
"Everything will be better once we get a fullback....."
No not directly
But he seems to be talking about anyone that does not see the glass as half full…
"Everything will be better once we get a fullback....."
He probably is, but don’t take it personally. It’s an internet board, remember. People say things they would never say to your face and with an edge that would never be given in person. Grain of salt…you’re not a dick, he’s not a dick. Just different ways to look at the same situation…at some point, some folks are looking (grasping?) for reasons to have hope and be optimistic. The last thing any of us want is for this board to be our own version of Texags. And we’ve been getting close.
Be critical and express disappointment, but also see the good for what it is. It’s not accepting mediocrity, by the way. It’s just seeing it for what it is at this point and adjusting the expectation for THIS team, not the program.
You need to get more time on this board
I do feel like it is accepting mediocrity, and I even felt that way under Leach, so lets get that out of the way…
I want to believe in TT and his kids but I can not see anything to pin my hopes to so far.
I had high hopes and I was pumped to get a defensive guy as an HC. It just pains me to have to fight the urge to “air quote” defensive guy at this point in the season….
"Everything will be better once we get a fullback....."
There is a difference between...
accepting mediocrity, and having enough football knowledge to realize that you can’t pull a complete coach overhaul and not expect a few bumps in the road. right now we are looking at getting a 7th win against a very beatable U of H team… 7 wins and a bowl game is hardly mediocrity. Just look at Kansas after they had to start over and compare to how Tubs is doing.
by Vassago77379 on Nov 21, 2010 8:49 PM CST up reply actions
There were some pretty ugly wins, and some pretty ugly losses...
I’ll take the wins however they come, but I would have been happier with some better looking losses.
Tuberville would have helped himself by not talking championships the day he got off the plane.
That is countrier than a biscuit. - Garth Brooks
I hear ya....
But I did understand that when Tubs came in he had to sell us on an overall game plan. I mean we all knew championships weren’t in store this year, but letting us it was in the plans was crucial. It just gets kinda twisted after a few losses and looks bad.
I do hear you though on the losses too, ya some could have been better, but I do honestly believe that we learned allot as a team from them, these growing pains will pay off in the future.
But I just can’t give up on the coaches and a plan through their first season, as a fan of the game I just feel that that kind of attitude is cancerous to a fan base. Not saying to swallow every pill that is fed us, but at least give a chance for some of those pills to disolve ya know?
by Vassago77379 on Nov 21, 2010 8:55 PM CST up reply actions
So in order for those pills to dissolve then I need to shut up and get in line
Otherwise I am a football moron??
"Everything will be better once we get a fullback....."
Tough love
expect a lot from these coaches and dont be afraid to hold them accountable. They are a good group of men, let’s hope they can begin to coach their asses off. If I could ask for two general things…….more emotion and more flexibility from the coaches that trickles to the players.
"It's fun to do bad things"- Latarian
by oldschoolraider on Nov 21, 2010 8:59 PM CST up reply actions
Ok
I will start to compare us to Kansas if that is what we are down to…
Hey, your right! I do feel Better!!!
Your football knowledge is awesome!!
"Everything will be better once we get a fullback....."
Ummm....
I was looking at the fact that they had a coaching overhaul much like us…. I mean they were a program in a BCS a few years back, but lets not give credit to that either
by Vassago77379 on Nov 21, 2010 8:59 PM CST up reply actions
And their coach was let go
for not so cleear issues. He either beat a player or ate him.
"It's fun to do bad things"- Latarian
by oldschoolraider on Nov 21, 2010 9:02 PM CST up reply actions
LMAO
Im thinking he ate at least one or two
by Vassago77379 on Nov 21, 2010 9:04 PM CST up reply actions
Swear I couldn’t look at that guy without thinking of ‘Fat Bastard’ from the Austin Powers movies
by Vassago77379 on Nov 21, 2010 9:07 PM CST up reply actions
You guys made my sour puss ass
SMILE!!
Stop it!
"Everything will be better once we get a fullback....."
We should be smiling man, can’t be mad after a win… No matter who it is against, alls I know is my week is lookin up
by Vassago77379 on Nov 21, 2010 9:11 PM CST up reply actions
Yeah
Tech wins
Cowboys win
But Jimmy Johnson wins again…maybe that is the real reason for my anger….?
"Everything will be better once we get a fullback....."
lol ...
Perhaps, but my Texans lost… oh wells THAT im used to
by Vassago77379 on Nov 21, 2010 9:14 PM CST up reply actions
If Tubs
Wears pants like the guy from Train on the AMC’s wore tonight then I will come around…
"Everything will be better once we get a fullback....."
I think he ate him
my college roommate sat behind him at the OU game. She said he lost weight…no access to players…weight loss…you be the judge…
That is countrier than a biscuit. - Garth Brooks
niceeeee
Guess hes back to the elderly and babies… Not nearly enough protein
by Vassago77379 on Nov 21, 2010 9:08 PM CST up reply actions
He swallows a
lot of aggression……and a lot of pizzas. God I miss John candy.
"It's fun to do bad things"- Latarian
by oldschoolraider on Nov 21, 2010 9:18 PM CST up reply actions
Dude....
Why the hell do you think the ball never got to those wide open receivers… its called getting pressure on the QB. Now I know this is a new revelation for a Tech defense, but you cant take away from what good pressure provides for a young D. We may not have racked up all the sacks but we were in the pocket causing trouble all night. Saying things like “We dd not shut down the number 12 team in the nation! They shut themselves down!” is just being ignorant and blind to what really happened in that game.
Ya you’re right though our coordinators are a joke, that’s why Willis was praised by the national media after Mizzou right? I mean I guess every old shlub wins coordinator of the week awards… get rid of that loser.
The truth is that when Tubs starts winning and the coaches have a few seasons to get in their players best fitted for the new schemes, all the naysayers will line up with praise just like it happened with Leach.
by Vassago77379 on Nov 21, 2010 8:45 PM CST up reply actions
Vass
Too bad we cannot watch the game together so you can show me all of the pressure we applied.
Please excuse me for not putting much stock in the national media…I am sure your right about their judgement.
Calling me ignorant… I guess so since I do not appear to hold a candle to your vast and vastly superior football coaching knowledge. What D1 program do you head up?
"Everything will be better once we get a fullback....."
remove the first vast
I would hate for you to trash my Tech degree next….
Damn typing skills…
"Everything will be better once we get a fullback....."
Im not saying you are ignorant....
In general, but excuse me for not seeing how a statement like that isn’t being ignorant and blind. I’m not claiming to be some freaking expert, but i did grow up around the game and understand what goes into it. If you can’t see how the D got pressure then I guess thats a problem you will have to work out on your own.
by Vassago77379 on Nov 21, 2010 8:58 PM CST up reply actions
So u think that everything he said was wrong.
First off they don’t just hand out those assistant of the week trophies. Secondly we can’t be any worse than Ruff and his ECU pirates just look at their scores over the last few weeks. They gave up something like 65 points to rice and this was a defense that skip holtz had ranked in the top 25 last year.
by Sawdawg12 on Nov 21, 2010 9:02 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
was at the Rice game ....
Too many bad memories of the ‘bend but don’t break’ defense
by Vassago77379 on Nov 21, 2010 9:06 PM CST up reply actions
Yes, it takes time when you install a new coaching staff
But who cares if all the “naysayers” jump on the band wagon if/when Tuberville and co start winning? That would be a good thing right? Or is the point for the people who are on board now to be able to say I told you so?
And regarding Willis being praised for the Missouri game – he did a good job with that game that week and deserved the praise he got. But that was one game, did you watch any of the other games? We have a long way to go on defense.
That is countrier than a biscuit. - Garth Brooks
We most certainly do have a long way to go...
by Vassago77379 on Nov 21, 2010 9:00 PM CST up reply actions
Hope next year will be better
With a year under our belts and players back from injury. And hopefully Scott Smith back from suspension.
That is countrier than a biscuit. - Garth Brooks
but this is one of the few bright spots to look at. Just saying for such a bad season there WERE some things to look at and see we will be ALLOT better given time.
by Vassago77379 on Nov 21, 2010 9:01 PM CST up reply actions
I think the problem is that you think that if those of us who are glass half-full will be more than willing to accept anything and everything from this staff and team and we won’t ever want to see some change assuming things don’t improve.
I get that you’re upset and pessimistic and I don’t dislike you for it, but just because I don’t hop on your wagon, I’m a lesser fan either. When you write things like this:
We dd not shut down the number 12 team in the nation! They shut themselves down! Those recievers were wide open the whole game, just like every other game. Mizzou played bad and we had nothing to do with it!
What are we supposed to think about you. You give absolutely zero credit to the players or the staff. Maybe they don’t deserve coordinator of the week, but they also don’t deserve zero credit. There has to be some middle ground. Everything is very black and white with you. There’s no gray. For me, there’s gray. I haven’t decided on this staff just yet. That doesn’t make me a bad fan, nor does it make you a bad fan if you’ve decided on the staff. What’s tiring is that there you don’t have any positive comments. Texas Tech won by 6 touchdowns and it’s still not good enough. My biggest problem is that I think that you’ve already made your decision (that’s fine) and nothing, no matter what, will ever be good enough.
I get why you’re upset, but you don’t have to be upset all of the time. Sometimes, it’s okay to say, “Yes, it was an FCS opponent, but the team looked good.” I think most fans aren’t burning their couches for beating Weber St. and they get that TTU beat an athletically out-matched team, but with you and MerkMusic, it feel like there’s nothing ever positive.
Go Raiders . . .
Double-T Nation
Yes I'm jaded by the administration and yes I am still a fan.
I do not want our team to fail. My Tech flag has been in front of my house all season. I have been in Tech shirts on game day all season. I have a double t on my car. Just because we express our love for the university in different ways doesn’t make me a bad fan or an air quote fan and you or someone else a real fan.
I would have liked nothing more than for Tuberville to have led our team to a GREAT season. I hate for our seniors especially to go out like this. No, a 7 win season (assuming we beat Houston next week) is not terrible. But I would be willing to bet that if you asked any of the seniors if this is how they envisioned their senior year – this is not what they wanted.
I am disgusted with the administration and will continue to feel strong ill-will towards them until they are held accountable for their reprehensible actions in some way. Paying Leach the money he is owed, for instance. Hopefully the lawsuit will be fast-tracked and that piece will be put behind us.
But that has nothing to do with how I feel about the football team or how I support them. And no one can tell me how to be a fan or how I feel about my team.
Being disgusted with the administration does not equal being a bad fan or wishing bad on the football team or the coaches. I was raised, and taught by my professors at Tech to be an independent thinker and to ask questions, not to follow along blindly because that is the easy thing to do or the path of least resistance.
Support the coaches without questioning anything they do all you want, that is your choice as a fan. But if I question some of their methods or play calling, please don’t question my credentials as a Tech fan.
That is countrier than a biscuit. - Garth Brooks
14-0
That is what I wanted each of the past eleven years, or what i grew to want over that period. When comparing Tubs and Leach careers, one must remember Tube was a Div-1 coach prior to his gig at Auburn, while Tech was Leach’s first. Also, Tubs started out his career wanting to coach. Leach evolved into that thought process. Tubs has always had a more traditional way of coaching, not counting his “experimental” season when he hired Franklin.
Leach learned a whole lot about football over his ten years at Tech and I am sure he will use that knowledge to be a much better head coach in the future. Tuberville inherited a known entity at tech that was considered among the best in Div-1 on the offensive side of the ball. His decision to make certain changes on the offense and defense sent the team on a downward spiral that he may have not considered as a possibility when he incorporated those changes. he also gathered a staff that was woefully shy of experience. I am sure most here would agree that some decisions made this year are a direct result of that inexperience.
At this stage of the season, the teams appears to have absorbed enough of the new stuff to actually begin to make plays more instinctively rather than trying to remember exactly what their responsibilities are for any particular situation. We can’t say the one of the two systems, offensively or defensively, is better than the other. But we can say there appears to be enough of a difference that the team had struggled most of the year to grasp the changes.
Moving forward, we can, I think, expect a great effort and good results against UH and our bowl opponent. With the extra practices leading up to that bowl and the Spring and Fall sessions, this team will be much better next year, even with a new quarterback, as they all will be able to learn over that period of time.
All the angst felt because of how Leach’s firing was handled is still felt by many of us here and elsewhere. All of that will take care of itself. We can really focus on this team and what we hope it will do in the future, regardless of who the coach is or what “systems” are in place. So, I am going forward with open mind, but with high expectations, just like I hope the team and coaches are doing.
TTpilk Psalm 117:
1 ΒΆ O praise the LORD, all ye nations: praise him, all ye people.
2 For his merciful kindness is great toward us: and the truth of the LORD endureth for ever. Praise ye the LORD.

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