The football roster is being molded.
RRR at The Tortilla Retort made the following comment in his excellent post-UH game comments: "The roster continues to be molded. Last week we learned that Blake Emert and Ryan Haliburton would be graduating and moving on. We’ve also heard that EJ Celestie is transferring out of the program. And from what I understand, it’s a good bet that the Peak brothers are headed back east, and Will Ford is slacking his way out of the program." It was obvious from the start that Coach Tubberville wanted to change the type of players composing our football team. He has repeatedly stated that the #1 requirement for the men he hired as assistant coaches was that they are very good at evaluating high school players and are able to recrut the right ones to win at TTU. It has also been obvious this season that our current roster does not effectively match what the coaches are trying to do. That's no knock on the current players. They have worked hard and played well, but in some cases their skill set didn't match what they were required to do. To some degree this was due to injuries forcing us to move players around and/or reach deep into the reserves. Again and again and again we've heard Coach TT repeat the mantra, "We just don't have the depth we need at (position)" and "We need more speed!" I would like some of you more knowledgeable guys to evaluate the anticipated gains and losses in the light of Coach TT's philosophy. I'm an unflagging optimist. I want to believe we will be even better next year. Are we making progress?
When I look at the published 40-times of our in-coming recruits it appears that the players coming onto the team are significantly faster over all than the players we are loosing. Even the linemen are relatively fast for men that big.
Also, Coach Willis talks about "playing fast." I think he means making the right decisions very quickly to enable the player to get in position to make the play. Throughout the year I noticed that our defensive backs were a second slow in making the right decision which left them a step behind the receiver. In most cases they were able to keep up (i.e. they were just as fast as the receiver), but because they were already a step behind, they ended up getting burned on the long ball. I believe that this problem (combined with occasional comical special teams play) cost us a game or two this season. Will this problem diminish as our young defensive backs gain experience?
Let me hear from the experts. (Yea, that's you.)
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If you don't have the players, it's hard to compete.
We have seen that against OU an UT. It’s heartening to hear that these coaches are great recruiters. Tubs has it right when he talks about speed.
But I believe that the players are only half of the equation, at best, for a team to become successful. The balance of the equation is the staff.
I have been fascinated with emergence of the KC Chiefs this year. They are currently 7-4 after going 4-12 last year. What’s the difference?
They had a fantastic draft and free agent signings which surely helped. But here is the key. The HC, Todd Haley, gave up his play calling duties to recently hired OC Charlie Weiss and Haley replaced the DC with Romeo Crenell. (Great article on Crenell found here.) These are the two coordinators that helped the Patriots win all those Super Bowls.
Matt Cassell, the QB (a backup at USC and with the Pats) , and Dwayne Bowe, a WR (who is a very talented speed guy, but a chronic underacheiver), are lighting up the passing game while the Chiefs ground attack leads the NFL. The defense is rounding into excellent shape as nearly everyone is playing a step faster despite the roster being about the same.
Throw into the coaching mix DB coach Emmitt Thomas, a long time NFL DC and one time interim HC, and they have an experienced staff who understands the art of coaching. They know how to get the best out of their talent AND know how to put them into positions so that those players succeed. They understand the art of play calling, game planning, and teaching technique. This is what is driving the Chiefs success.
I don’t see that with our Red Raiders. Our staff is very green (now 27 years of combined D-1 experience). Most of them are just beginning to master their craft. A majority of our counterparts at UT, OU, OSU, and A&M have largely mastered theirs … and that will be the difference for the next four to five years should our staff remain in tact.
There is no substitute for experience.
by Arizona Raider on Nov 29, 2010 10:15 AM CST reply actions
DB decision making...
was hampered by lack of experience, not ability.
Having players exit the program early is never a good sign.
And don’t trash Will Ford. He’s one of our most talented athletes on that side of the ball.
But he is also likely never to play for us again...
because of numerous of the field issues per Chris Level. I believe he was on house arrest when he commited to Tech in the first place.
"Dress good, yu'll play good. Play good, yu'll get paid good." -Deion Sanders
Future classes...
will make all the difference IMO. We have never recruited very well at Tech but we have always had coaches that could develop players. Tuberville is correct in his method of recruiting speed. In a pass happy Big 12 you needs fast corners and safties that can stay in stride with receivers. Presently, we have some of that but it’s very young talent that’s not fully developed yet. A faster more agile defense will go a long way in stopping the OU’s and UT’s. I’m totally a guy who believes proper recruiting is worth it’s weight in gold. I am very excited that Tuberville puts a huge emphasis on his coaches recruiting ability. 2-3 more years of solid recruiting will give Tech the balance we need defensively.
"You've got to find your inner pirate" - Mike Leach
"We started too late" - Neal Brown
Recruiting will improve
TT has that Mack Brown grandfatherly feel about him that will put parents at ease about sending kids to Lubbock.
I personally liked Mike Leach, but I am kind of quirky too. I just always wondered how those meetings between parents and Mike went. As much as some of us like to make fun of the “Suit and Tie” you need to put your self in the shoes of a parent sending their child off to collage.
The huge growth in the states population in the last ten years will guarantee even more quality kids will be available.
I feel like the age old problem of Techs remoteness from the major population centers will be offset by our history of graduating players (thank you Mike Leach), quality facilities, beauty of the campus (just don’t bring the parents out in March), and the overwhelming friendliness of the people. Nebraska leaving the big 12 is a plus, this should make a lot of players think twice about going to a place that will never play close to home.
Mike Leach is dead to me.
Defense is a
reaction position. If you’re new to a system, or you’re inexperienced, you think about assignments during the play. When you think, even for a blink, it’s enough to get beat at the D-I level – unless you are a burner. And none of our DBs are burners.
I fully expect marked improvement from our secondary next year. They may all have a talent deficit that just can’t be made up for with experience and knowledge, and we’ll have to live with the big play from time to time. But if they are at a point where they simply read and react, the number of big plays should go way down.
Speed is the next to best thing we need on defense.......look at TCU
But the best thing we can do is teach these kids to TACKLE. I have seen all too often this year a big bang hit but no wrap up. or merely one player sticking an arm out as if to say “run thru this mofo” and of course the man with the ball runs on. Tackle is the type of football we need.
"As we continue to merely "talk about championships""
Agreed.
This may be the worst tackling I have ever seen at Tech……more like hugging.
"Dress good, yu'll play good. Play good, yu'll get paid good." -Deion Sanders
Reminds me of McMakin and Lyle S.
hopefully they will work on that this off season
by Arizona Raider on Nov 29, 2010 3:33 PM CST up reply actions
I can't explain it...
Saturday was painful to watch. I saw the same from Ut’s defense on Saturday as well. I watched Blake Gideon bounce of RBs all game. Tre Porter was the only defender we have that is using correct form and aggressiveness…best I can tell. But because Porter is sticking it with prejudice, I know that the coaches are coaching. So what is with our other defenders? Is it size, is it zeal? We need some new blood on defense to be sure. we need to clone Scott Smith and Tre Porter, and find some LBs to compliment.
"Dress good, yu'll play good. Play good, yu'll get paid good." -Deion Sanders
Need LB’s desperately. The existing group is weak and I’m not convinced it’s just youth or inexperience. Technique is the worst I’ve seen at Tech to date.
"You've got to find your inner pirate" - Mike Leach
"We started too late" - Neal Brown
He is in your crosshairs...
"It's fun to do bad things"- Latarian
by oldschoolraider on Dec 1, 2010 8:08 AM CST up reply actions
Speed, Speed and more Speed!!!
Having coached youth sports for more than 21 years I know that you cannot coach speed or size. Speed kills. If you can’t catch the other guy or beat him to the spot, it never matters if you can tackle or not. We need the guys that can get there. It’s up the the coaches then to make sure they know what to do once they are in position to make the play.
TT’s emphasis on speed will payoff in years to come. I just hate the growing pains to get there.
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by IndianaRedRaider on Nov 29, 2010 1:10 PM CST reply actions
I fully expect marked improvement from our secondary next year.
"It's fun to do bad things"- Latarian
by oldschoolraider on Nov 29, 2010 1:35 PM CST reply actions
Up from 115?
"It's fun to do bad things"- Latarian
by oldschoolraider on Nov 29, 2010 1:36 PM CST up reply actions
If he improves 5 spots a year he can plausibly claim improvement for 21 straight years
And in the year 2031 our defense will be the best in the land.
Very confusing article
Weren’t the Peak brothers brought in by TT and Co just a few months ago?
If "Coach Tuberville wanted to change the type of players composing our football team. He has repeatedly stated that the #1 requirement for the men he hired as assistant coaches was that they are very good at evaluating high school players and are able to recrut the right ones to win at TTU, " what happened with the Peak bros?
Did EJ Celestie leave because he was too slow? Because he couldn’t catch a five yard out? Because he had character issues? (Whatever that means.)
Did Emert and Halliburton decide to hang ‘em up because they decided they were too slow or weren’t TT’s type of player?
I’m just going out on a limb here, but maybe, just maybe all of these kids decided to leave for a variety of reasons: discipline, growing up, moving back home, early graduation and the myriad other reasons which affect college kids in every program around the country.
And maybe, just maybe the players’ leaving has absolutely nothing to do with the fact that these players are deemed to be too slow or that they are simply not TT’s kind of guys (not, of course, like our favorite Boy Scout who jogs a 4.4 40, Nancy James).
"This time it's different."
Now I'm confused...
Are you claiming to know why these players left? Are you saying we should question the recruiting prowess of the staff based on the loss of the Peak brothers? Are you saying there is some seedy undercurrent with the staff that is driving kids away? Am I misreading your post, if so I apologize.
"Dress good, yu'll play good. Play good, yu'll get paid good." -Deion Sanders
Not at all
But I didn’t write the article.
I am not questioning TT and Co’s recruiting prowess because the Peak bros are leaving.
I think it is odd to say the Peak brother (brought in by TT and Co) are leaving in one breath, and then in the next breath claim that they are leaving because TT is trying to bring in his type of players.
I’m also saying that players leave because players leave. Natural attrition. Nothing more than that.
Tuberville is recruiting players he wants, because he’s the head coach.
I think the attempt to connect the two issues is weak and merely circumstantial. When we see TT run off everyone who doesn’t run at least a 4.5 40, then maybe I’ll buy what the writer is selling.
"This time it's different."
by LondonRaider on Nov 29, 2010 3:30 PM CST up reply actions
Follow you now.
I agree, attrition is what attrition is, and I would argue speed has nothing to do with these departures.I think this staff took flyers on guys trying to save a floundering recruiting class in Feb. and they just miss on some.
"Dress good, yu'll play good. Play good, yu'll get paid good." -Deion Sanders
I am with you London on this piece.
Yes, the Peak’s are current staff evaluations.
Emert and Haliburton did not show their potential so they saw the light and moved on….TT recently offered Haliburton scholarship if he wanted to stay and attend grad school.
Don’t know anything about Celestie…he was a Coach Simmons recruit.
What does it mean that Will Ford is slacking his way out of the program….is the coaching staff ‘slacking’ him ?
as for me and my house, we chose the Lord.
Ford
Classroom and attitude issues.
"Dress good, yu'll play good. Play good, yu'll get paid good." -Deion Sanders
Colonel
An apology.
I posted late last night (my time) and didn’t read your article very carefully. I thought that the whole article had been written by the guys at Tortilla Retort, and did not appreciate that you were making the majority of the post.
Had I realized that the first time, I might have made the same point, but I would have been a lot more diplomatic in my response. I used to really enjoy the Tortilla Retort, but lately I’ve come to question some of the wilder claims that the writers make over there, which is why I was caustic in my remarks.
Sorry for being such a d***. I greatly value what you and everyone write here, and genuinely did not mean to offend.
"This time it's different."
by LondonRaider on Nov 30, 2010 9:52 AM CST up reply actions
So last week I was flying back on a business trip and recognized a coach in the airport.
Out of respect I won’t say where I was, or who he was. Once we boarded, I proceeded to ask the gentleman sitting next to this coach to trade seats with me, which he did, and this poor coach had to spend the next 2 hours being grilled by me on Tech football. here are a couple of themes:
1) Prior to Weber State, the coaching staffed recognized that due to fan unrest, “we are in crisis mode”. This statement gave me confidence that the staff understands the expectations, and understands that the team is under-performing.
2) The injury woes on defense have been crippling. This coach was genuinely at his wits end with what he had to work with personnel wise given the injuries, and he conceded that the last two games of the year could very well be toss ups given the losses we sustained on defense.
3) Regardless of what we thought we had, this coach was decidedly underwhelmed with the starters he had to work with on defense when he got here. He had “better athletes” in his previous role, which was at a much lesser program. This confirmed many suspicions that we simply do not have the talent to run the scheme being implemented.
4) I asked point blank, “is Brown a boy genius who needs time, or is he over his head”? Of course this question was avoided, and I was asked what I thought. In the end, I got the impression the defensive coaches do not talk much with the offensive coaches, and we both agreed the the perception that the offense would perform the same or better was probably a mistake without sufficient time to implement the new system.
5) I of course asked about the QB situation, and of course the question was avoided.
6) The key point made by this coach was that recruiting was going well, and this coach said emphatically, “the fan base will be proud to wear red and black come signing day” and that “surprises were coming” and “defensive recruits like we have never seen” will be joining our ranks.
I came away feeling that defensively the cupboard was bare for 2010, and the injuries amplified the already challenging situation. I came away feeling better that the staff was not taking the situation lightly, and I came away feeling like, if this coach is honest, we are about to turn a corner in recruiting, the likes we have never seen.
"Dress good, yu'll play good. Play good, yu'll get paid good." -Deion Sanders
I forgot another key point..
I and others have looked at Scott Smith’s previous record of bouncing between programs, and late arrival at Tech, and came to the conclusion that he may be a head case with off the field issues. This was confirmed by his most recent suspension. According to this coach I could not have been more wrong.
Apparently Smith works harder than most any on the defense, spends time volunteering at local schools, and is one upstanding student athlete. His most recent issues revolve around academic mistakes he made at his previous school, and failure to properly report such academic issues.
I think Smith could be a huge bright spot in 2011.
"Dress good, yu'll play good. Play good, yu'll get paid good." -Deion Sanders
That is really good to hear about Smith
he gets a lot of negative comments about who he is because he is in a bind and people don’t know why…so it turns into guessing time and character assassination…having said that failure to report his academic issues does not look all that good for him…but we all have had or will have our moments.
I am in Smith’s corner, he could be a good one in lots of ways.
as for me and my house, we chose the Lord.
Thanks for the candid remarks ...
I really appreciate him opening up as much as he did. I am glad to hear that the staff understands that the team is under performing and that the fans demand more.
TTUMAR did you tell him what you thought about Brown? If so, how did he respond?
Also love the talk about recruiting better defensive players … that is awesome.
Curious about the cupboard bare comment. Obviously, we don’t have the talent like Bama or Auburn. In the past we have always coach up the players. So my question is did the prior staff work miracles with what they had?
by Arizona Raider on Nov 29, 2010 10:45 PM CST up reply actions
Good report TTUMAR and thanks for your candor
I have shared this before, but I will drop in a quick reminder that I too have had the privledge of meeting and talking Tech football with a couple of coaches. I have no doubt that the assistant coaches are very capable of both recruiting better players at Tech, and putting a better product on the field. Their character and passion are contagious.
There is no doubt in my mind that these coaches will win the recruiting battle in some households. I have met other coaches in top programs, and they too sell a good story, but these young coaches are specail when it comes to character and passion. I hope for nothing more than their hard work turn into big time Tech wins down the road.
It is really pleasant to hear that other DTN’s have been able to share their experience with the coaches with the rest of us. Hopefully, this will translate into a better season not only next year, but years to come.
Another Red Raider First Down.
"An army is a team. It lives, eats, sleeps, fights as a team.
This individuality stuff is a bunch of bullshit." General George Patton Jr.
Thank you for your comments as well.
We all are looking for validation of our coaching staff….normally we have only data from the past and use that to project…that is often enough a big miss in itself.
When someone, especially a respected contributor to this blog, writes a validation of something going well based on personal experience, we all get more comfortable with what we don’t know.
as for me and my house, we chose the Lord.
Are you sure respected contributor is the right word
Oldschool might disagree with you, don’t let him see this.
"An army is a team. It lives, eats, sleeps, fights as a team.
This individuality stuff is a bunch of bullshit." General George Patton Jr.
You are respected......
like a wise elder in the tribe
"It's fun to do bad things"- Latarian
by oldschoolraider on Nov 30, 2010 1:29 PM CST up reply actions
So, that is what age and skinny impaired get you
"An army is a team. It lives, eats, sleeps, fights as a team.
This individuality stuff is a bunch of bullshit." General George Patton Jr.
The respected elder
that can hang with that Mensa crowd in Boulder aint bad…..my hair hurt Saturday AM.
"It's fun to do bad things"- Latarian
by oldschoolraider on Nov 30, 2010 1:41 PM CST up reply actions
Two good tidbits, thanks
And I do hope the recruiting goes well.
I wouldn't say
that the cupboard was bare…..but I also know that this group is a top notch recruting staff. Defensively, you might have a better case of calling it making chicken salad out of chicken shit. But I think Ruff did a better job with close to the same talent the last two years. I cant get past the db’s not turning around to find the ball……I would want to ask that coach about that because it is obvious that is the technique this group is taught.
I do not enjoy tracking and keeping up with recruiting, but Tommy Maynord will load us up with talent…he is an impressive guy and despite his young age has some skins on the wall.
"It's fun to do bad things"- Latarian
by oldschoolraider on Nov 29, 2010 4:16 PM CST up reply actions
I don't know much about Maynord...
But I agree that recruiting is on the rise, and if this coaching staff is as bad at Xs and Os as some would have me believe, then at the very least we will be under performing with much better talent, much like UT has, and at least that will be a refreshing change of pace. sarc
"Dress good, yu'll play good. Play good, yu'll get paid good." -Deion Sanders
looking for the ball.
I have been on the look out for thoughts about that and recently read that cb’s are taught to look at the receiver’s eyes and face when covering in man to man.
They are taught to look at the ball in zone.
That was from one source…a guy from the pros.
as for me and my house, we chose the Lord.
Most look for the hands reaching out....
or the eyes of the receiver. Most are taught to eventually turn and find the ball….not at Tech in 2010.
"It's fun to do bad things"- Latarian
by oldschoolraider on Nov 29, 2010 9:17 PM CST up reply actions
I too do not understand why they don't look back at the ball
Maybe the lights are too bright at The Jones
"An army is a team. It lives, eats, sleeps, fights as a team.
This individuality stuff is a bunch of bullshit." General George Patton Jr.
Well maybe it is asking a lot to do both, eyes or hands, then ball !!!
I never played, and there is a good reason why…but I would want to see the ball…
Sonny Lubick wrote about man to man pass defense:
5 priorities
Force incompletions
Never miss a tackle
3rd down completions that are short of a 1st down is a win
No long td passes
Go for the ball
then he said
He must be able to run backward
Recognize patterns & know the breaking & interception point
Undstand the cushion
Focus on the receiver & look for the ball
Now ole Sonny is not necessarily the most successful HC in football, but I bet what he shared is pretty fundamental.
I am looking for more from our players after having read that…and I expect that we will see improvement as they respond to their coaching…else we can expect to see more penalties and td’s.
Till then, I am going to have take the postion that the coaches have asked the db’s to just break up the pass because they are not smart enough/experienced enough to do it all—is that one of the ways a coach would dumb it down ?
as for me and my house, we chose the Lord.
I was on the team, but I did not make two deep roster, but the one that most jumps out at me
is Understand the cushion. You have to know QB’s arm strength, speed and size of receiver, and then just figure out how long it will take to get to the ball. But, you cannot do that with your back to the ball. Like Oldschoo, this one just drives me crazy.
"An army is a team. It lives, eats, sleeps, fights as a team.
This individuality stuff is a bunch of bullshit." General George Patton Jr.
I refuse to believe that T State had "better athletes" than Tech. We had the guys to run system that was being run by Ruff. Keep in mind that not only did the system change, the training room changed, the weight room changed, well hell everything changed.
"A pretty girl will leave you. An ugly girl will leave you too but then again who really cares?"
by FriscoRaider on Nov 29, 2010 5:17 PM CST up reply actions
I hope you did not tell him that you are a member of DTN.
If you did tell him, did you notice any fear in his eyes or sudden uncomfortable sweating?
"This time it's different."
by LondonRaider on Nov 29, 2010 8:41 PM CST up reply actions
ttumar, why are you just now spilling your beans? what other info have you not told us? Is this really k willis? did kevin the power-wheel jeep hack your account?
also what happened to the pictures of the new restaurant on the east side you promised?
LOL! you and those pics!
"Dress good, yu'll play good. Play good, yu'll get paid good." -Deion Sanders
Kinda creepy....
"It's fun to do bad things"- Latarian
by oldschoolraider on Nov 30, 2010 1:30 PM CST up reply actions
Cupboard was / is bare
I believe the cupboard was and is bare.
This is a strong testament to Coach Leach. I think Tuberville and company looked at Tech’s results for the past several years and overestimated the talent level of our players, underestimated the coaching ability of Leach and company.
They will do fine, but I imagine the job at hand is significantly more difficult than what they thought before last spring.
That is a hard call, IMHO
TTU won pretty consistenly with our cupboard. Those players fit what both sides of the ball we trying to do…at least well enough to win games.
In a transition year especially, they don’t fit all that well…and they may not fet well given what the current staff is trying to do with them.
as for me and my house, we chose the Lord.
I tend to agree
Though it has not always been that way. We lost a lot of talent following the 2008 and 2009 season defesively, and we have had several guys that didn’t pan out, leaving us thin.
Ruff’s system also tended to hide lack of athleticism. We played so soft in the defensive backfield that getting beat by a faster receiver wasn’t a concern. That type of defense is good for 8-9 wins a season. But it won’t routinely go beyond that.
The delima with making a transition is rarely do all of the pieces exist for it to be 100% effective at the beginning. If you wait until you have everything in place, you will never make a switch. We have been pining for years around here for more aggressive defense, press coverage at corner, and to stop the bend-and-break style. We finally got it and found out what Ruff probably saw – we weren’t well equipped for it.
Unless you install a system, you can’t recruit to that system. If Willis would have continued to play the same style of defense, he could have masked some deficiencies. Maybe we would have given up fewer points. Would that have translated into more wins in 2010? Maybe. But he has installed a system, is starting to build some depth, and is starting to recruit to that system. We’ll see more althletic , aggressive defense in the future. We just have to step away from the ledge and let things take their course.
I think I didn't say what I wanted
Cupboard bare? Maybe not bare. Maybe not void, but thin……player-wise as compared to many schools in the Big 12.
Essentially, I’m saying Leach and company did well with not so much.
It would have been easy for a new coach to see Tech’s results for the past 5 years and assume the player talent level was stronger than it actually is.
I look at the talent level at OU, UT, Ok State, Nebraska, T A/M and I have to give them the edge. A few of them a big edge.
I completely agree with your statement about our year in transition. Big learning curves for players and newly assembled coaching staff. Huge challenge for a coaching staff following a popular coach and an ugly situation.

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