Recruiting Rankings | Looking Back at the 2008 Class
by Seth C on Dec 14, 2010 8:00 AM CST
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PrintUp this morning, is the 2008 class, which was relatively small and had some real reaches on defense that never paid off. Up first, is the entire class, which was only 16 players total (it included Donnie Carona as a special teams player). I should also mention that I thought about DTN grading the classes and I came up with a numerical system that I thought we would debate, but I also wondered if it did us any good to grade the classes. In part because the closer we get to this class, the tougher it is to actually determine if a class has done much of anything. Ed. Note: I did a less than stellar job of looking at the 2007 class and you'll see corrected tables at the end of this post.
The 2008 recruiting class had 8 defensive players and 7 offensive players, with 1 special teams player:
2008 Recruiting Class
| # | Player | O/D/ST | Scout | Rivals | Rivals Rating | ESPN |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| 1 | Cody Davis | D | 3.00 | 2.00 | 5.40 | 72.00 |
| 2 | McKinner Dixon | D | 4.00 | 4.00 | 5.90 | - |
| 3 | Brandon Sesay | D | 4.00 | 4.00 | 5.90 | - |
| 4 | Ryan Haliburton | D | 3.00 | 3.00 | 5.60 | 75.00 |
| 5 | Joey Fowler | D | 3.00 | 3.00 | 5.60 | 78.00 |
| 6 | Broderick Marshall | D | 4.00 | 3.00 | 5.60 | - |
| 7 | Brandon Reid | D | 2.00 | 3.00 | 5.50 | 40.00 |
| 8 | Jarrell Routt | D | 2.00 | 3.00 | 5.50 | - |
| 9 | Cornelius Douglas | O | 3.00 | 3.00 | 5.60 | 72.00 |
| 10 | Austin Zouzalik | O | - | 2.00 | 5.30 | - |
| 11 | Seth Doege | O | 3.00 | 3.00 | 5.70 | 73.00 |
| 12 | Deveric Gallington | O | 3.00 | 3.00 | 5.70 | 40.00 |
| 13 | Harrison Jeffers | O | 3.00 | 4.00 | 5.80 | 78.00 |
| 14 | Terry McDaniel | O | 3.00 | 3.00 | 5.50 | 78.00 |
| 15 | Joe King | O | 2.00 | 3.00 | 5.50 | 40.00 |
| 16 | Donnie Carona | S | 2.00 | 2.00 | 5.10 | 40.00 |
| AVERAGES | 2.75 | 3.00 | 5.58 | 42.88 |
On paper, this class actually graded out incredibly well with the Scout and Rivals recruiting services. I'm sure that this was a class that I celebrated because of the handful of 4-star players, especially on defense. I mentioned this when discussing the 2007 recruiting class, but if it's not clear that recruiting JUCO players is a hit-or-miss proposition. Of the 8 defensive players, 4 of those were JUCO players. When a player doesn't work out, and it's debatable whether or not a JUCO player plays just one year is considered to be all you ask of a player. But ESPN continues to give a zero rank for most, if not all JUCO players and if there's a class that demonstrates ESPN's philosophy of thinking of JUCO players as icing on the cake (i.e., if you get anything out of them, consider it a win). Let's take a look at the defense and offense a little closer.
More after the jump.
2008 Recruiting Class | Defense
| # | Player | O/D/ST | Scout | Rivals | Rivals Rating | ESPN |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| 1 | Cody Davis | D | 3.00 | 2.00 | 5.40 | 72.00 |
| 2 | McKinner Dixon | D | 4.00 | 4.00 | 5.90 | - |
| 3 | Brandon Sesay | D | 4.00 | 4.00 | 5.90 | - |
| 4 | Ryan Haliburton | D | 3.00 | 3.00 | 5.60 | 75.00 |
| 5 | Joey Fowler | D | 3.00 | 3.00 | 5.60 | 78.00 |
| 6 | Broderick Marshall | D | 4.00 | 3.00 | 5.60 | - |
| 7 | Brandon Reid | D | 2.00 | 3.00 | 5.50 | 40.00 |
| 8 | Jarrell Routt | D | 2.00 | 3.00 | 5.50 | - |
| AVERAGES | 3.13 | 3.13 | 5.63 | 33.13 |
There's only 1 player, and it's painfully obvious, that made any impact from this recruiting class. Thank you Mr. Davis. What we're looking at here is almost a complete failure of a recruiting class. To only have one player make an impact for more than one year is not good, and if there's a reason why the current defense is struggling, this is a good place to start.
Dixon and Sesay both had a productive year, but both are knuckleheads and couldn't make things stick. Routt may have been on campus for a year, I'm not sure, but he was at best a special teams player that I don't even remember making plays on special teams. Fowler was on campus for a year (I think), but he couldn't stick. With Marshall and Reid I'm pretty sure that these two never made it on campus, and if they did I can't remember. Marshall and Reid were always grade risks and there was a good chance that both would have never stuck.
This is the definition of making a gamble for the 2008 season with the hope that some of these players would make a significant impact. This is putting all your chips in, especially on defense, with the hope that this would pay off with some of these players would help with a 2008 team. The problem with doing this is that it cripples your program in the relative future and if you want to point to a class that is the problem with the 2010 team, it's the 2008 defense. It's this class that should have been the big part of the 2010 defense, but you've got one player making a contribution. The funny thing is that the offense signed lower rated high school players, but is looking like will be a fairly successful recruiting class.
Perhaps the greater point isn't to never recruit JUCO players, but if JUCO players constitute a large percentage of your recruiting class there's potential for those players not to make a significant impact and can have a long-term effect on overall success of a team.
2008 Recruiting Class | Offense
| # | Player | O/D/ST | Scout | Rivals | Rivals Rating | ESPN |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| 1 | Cornelius Douglas | O | 3.00 | 3.00 | 5.60 | 72.00 |
| 2 | Austin Zouzalik | O | - | 2.00 | 5.30 | - |
| 3 | Seth Doege | O | 3.00 | 3.00 | 5.70 | 73.00 |
| 4 | Deveric Gallington | O | 3.00 | 3.00 | 5.70 | 40.00 |
| 5 | Harrison Jeffers | O | 3.00 | 4.00 | 5.80 | 78.00 |
| 6 | Terry McDaniel | O | 3.00 | 3.00 | 5.50 | 78.00 |
| 7 | Joe King | O | 2.00 | 3.00 | 5.50 | 40.00 |
| AVERAGES | 2.43 | 3.00 | 5.59 | 54.43 |
On paper, this looked like a pretty bad class, but it's actually turned out to be okay, especially when you consider the attrition rate of the 2008 defensive class. Joe King was the only player that didn't make any sort of impact, but Texas Tech has had some sort of contribution from 6 of the remaining 7 commits, which is really a staggering figure. Of course, you can't expect that every player is going to be a super-star, but you have the starting right guard, two significant inside receivers, the possible starting quarterback next year, a pretty talented running back and the top back-up offensive lineman for next year.
If there was ever a contrast in recruiting tactics, it's the 2008 class. With high school commits, there's at least a chance that the player will be a player and a program has at least 5 years to help that player figure it out. With a JUCO commit, you've got 2 years and typically, there's a reason why that player was in a JUCO in the first place, usually grades, and so there's almost always a risk. To hit on 6 of 7 recruits is a high figure, but when you give players time to get into a program and make an impact, this is an example of how it can work.
Overall
The last few tables before the corrected 2007 tables reflect a couple of things. The first table is the year, total number of commits and the ratings for those years. The second table is just the defense and offense, with the percentage of commits for each class. In other words, the percentage of offensive commits for a particular class and percentage of defensive commits for a particular class as well as the offense and defense grades.
| Year | # | Scout | Rivals | Rivals Rating | ESPN | ESPN Grades | |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| 2007 | 29 | 2.38 | 2.72 | 5.47 | 59.34 | ||
| 2008 | 16 | 2.75 | 3.00 | 5.58 | 42.88 |
Please note that the column "ESPN" will be the number of stars awarded by ESPN and they didn't start handing out stars until the 2010 recruiting classes. It will be filled in once we get there.
Overall | Offense
| Year | # | % | Scout | Rivals | Rivals Rating | ESPN | ESPN Grades |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| 2007 | 15 | 51.72% | 2.40 | 2.80 | 5.49 | 66.33 | |
| 2008 | 7 | 43.75% | 2.43 | 3.00 | 5.59 | 54.43 |
Overall | Defense
| Year | # | % | Scout | Rivals | Rivals Rating | ESPN | ESPN Grades |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| 2007 | 13 | 44.83% | 2.38 | 2.69 | 5.46 | 52.77 | |
| 2008 | 8 | 50.00% | 3.13 | 3.13 | 5.63 | 33.13 |
Everything appears to be fairly even here. There wasn't too much disparity between the offense and defense in terms of number of commits. The biggest thing, and I mentioned this above, is that of the 8 defensive commits in the 2008 class, 7 of them didn't do much of anything. Be afraid of putting all your eggs in the JUCO basket.
CORRECTED | 2007 Recruiting Class | Total
| # | Player | O / D / ST | Scout | Rivals | Rivals Rating | ESPN |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| 1 | Bobby Agoucha | D | 2.00 | 2.00 | 5.20 | 40.00 |
| 2 | Bront Bird | D | 2.00 | 3.00 | 5.50 | 73.00 |
| 3 | Omar Castillo | D | 2.00 | 2.00 | 5.20 | 40.00 |
| 4 | Taylor Charbonnet | D | 2.00 | 3.00 | 5.50 | 68.00 |
| 5 | Sam Fehoko | D | 3.00 | 3.00 | 5.70 | 72.00 |
| 6 | Jared Flannel | D | 3.00 | 3.00 | 5.60 | 71.00 |
| 7 | Daniel Howard | D | 2.00 | 2.00 | 5.30 | 40.00 |
| 8 | Jonathan Hollins | D | 3.00 | 3.00 | 5.50 | 72.00 |
| 9 | David Neill | D | 3.00 | 3.00 | 5.50 | 68.00 |
| 10 | De'Shon Sanders | D | 3.00 | 3.00 | 5.60 | - |
| 11 | Brandon Sharpe | D | 2.00 | 2.00 | 5.40 | - |
| 12 | Tyrone Sonier | D | 2.00 | 3.00 | 5.50 | 69.00 |
| 13 | Colby Whitlock | D | 2.00 | 3.00 | 5.50 | 73.00 |
| 14 | Jacob Amie | O | 3.00 | 3.00 | 5.70 | 74.00 |
| 15 | Aaron Crawford | O | 2.00 | 3.00 | 5.50 | 75.00 |
| 16 | Dominique Delpeche | O | 2.00 | 2.00 | 5.30 | 40.00 |
| 17 | Lonnie Edwards | O | 4.00 | 4.00 | 5.80 | 73.00 |
| 18 | Blake Emert | O | 3.00 | 3.00 | 5.60 | 70.00 |
| 19 | Jacoby Franks | O | 2.00 | 3.00 | 5.50 | 63.00 |
| 20 | Jerrod Gooch | O | 3.00 | 3.00 | 5.50 | 77.00 |
| 21 | Rashad Hawk | O | 3.00 | 3.00 | 5.50 | 77.00 |
| 22 | Adam James | O | - | 3.00 | 5.50 | 77.00 |
| 23 | Justin Keown | O | 2.00 | 2.00 | 5.20 | 40.00 |
| 24 | Lyle Leong | O | - | 2.00 | 5.20 | 71.00 |
| 25 | Detron Lewis | O | 3.00 | 3.00 | 5.60 | 40.00 |
| 26 | Stefan Loucks | O | 3.00 | 2.00 | 5.20 | 75.00 |
| 27 | Mickey Okafor | O | 3.00 | 3.00 | 5.50 | 71.00 |
| 28 | Tramain Swindall | O | 3.00 | 3.00 | 5.70 | 72.00 |
| 29 | Jonathan LaCour | ST | 2.00 | 2.00 | 5.20 | 40.00 |
| AVERAGES | 2.38 | 2.72 | 5.47 | 59.34 |
2007 Recruiting Class | Defense
| # | Player | O / D / ST | Scout | Rivals | Rivals Rating | ESPN |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| 1 | Bobby Agoucha | D | 2.00 | 2.00 | 5.20 | 40.00 |
| 2 | Bront Bird | D | 2.00 | 3.00 | 5.50 | 73.00 |
| 3 | Omar Castillo | D | 2.00 | 2.00 | 5.20 | 40.00 |
| 4 | Taylor Charbonnet | D | 2.00 | 3.00 | 5.50 | 68.00 |
| 5 | Sam Fehoko | D | 3.00 | 3.00 | 5.70 | 72.00 |
| 6 | Jared Flannel | D | 3.00 | 3.00 | 5.60 | 71.00 |
| 7 | Daniel Howard | D | 2.00 | 2.00 | 5.30 | 40.00 |
| 8 | Jonathan Hollins | D | 3.00 | 3.00 | 5.50 | 72.00 |
| 9 | David Neill | D | 3.00 | 3.00 | 5.50 | 68.00 |
| 10 | De'Shon Sanders | D | 3.00 | 3.00 | 5.60 | - |
| 11 | Brandon Sharpe | D | 2.00 | 2.00 | 5.40 | - |
| 12 | Tyrone Sonier | D | 2.00 | 3.00 | 5.50 | 69.00 |
| 13 | Colby Whitlock | D | 2.00 | 3.00 | 5.50 | 73.00 |
| AVERAGES | 2.38 | 2.69 | 5.46 | 52.77 |
2007 Recruiting Class | Offense
| # | Player | O / D / ST | Scout | Rivals | Rivals Rating | ESPN |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| 1 | Jacob Amie | O | 3.00 | 3.00 | 5.70 | 74.00 |
| 2 | Aaron Crawford | O | 2.00 | 3.00 | 5.50 | 75.00 |
| 3 | Dominique Delpeche | O | 2.00 | 2.00 | 5.30 | 40.00 |
| 4 | Lonnie Edwards | O | 4.00 | 4.00 | 5.80 | 73.00 |
| 5 | Blake Emert | O | 3.00 | 3.00 | 5.60 | 70.00 |
| 6 | Jacoby Franks | O | 2.00 | 3.00 | 5.50 | 63.00 |
| 7 | Jerrod Gooch | O | 3.00 | 3.00 | 5.50 | 77.00 |
| 8 | Rashad Hawk | O | 3.00 | 3.00 | 5.50 | 77.00 |
| 9 | Adam James | O | - | 3.00 | 5.50 | 77.00 |
| 10 | Justin Keown | O | 2.00 | 2.00 | 5.20 | 40.00 |
| 11 | Lyle Leong | O | - | 2.00 | 5.20 | 71.00 |
| 12 | Detron Lewis | O | 3.00 | 3.00 | 5.60 | 40.00 |
| 13 | Stefan Loucks | O | 3.00 | 2.00 | 5.20 | 75.00 |
| 14 | Mickey Okafor | O | 3.00 | 3.00 | 5.50 | 71.00 |
| 15 | Tramain Swindall | O | 3.00 | 3.00 | 5.70 | 72.00 |
| AVERAGES | 2.40 | 2.80 | 5.49 | 66.33 |
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walk-ons?
Torres walked on in 2008. He was also really good HS QB.
Whoever said, 'It's not whether you win or lose that counts,' probably lost.
had no idea our defensive recruits from 2008 year didn't pan out ...
no wonder why we have struggled so much this last year.
Question:
When did Ruff take over full-time?
Bare pantry.....
Defensively, this is the kind of class that led to our current situation. With this kind of recruiting, I’m not sure we have the personell to run a 4-3, much less a 3-4. Offensively, Seth you are correct, most play, but not a single one is a game changer, warrants a double team, and certainly no obvious next level talent. Recruiting, IMO us the future if Tech football. We can’t afford anymore classes like these. Hear that Tubs?
"Dress good, yu'll play good. Play good, yu'll get paid good." -Deion Sanders
I tend to speak to not recruiting JC's
Guys like Danny Howard, who came in and started contributing to the team, from the get go…makes me lighten up a bit.
Guys like Fowler and Haliburton make me shout. I shouldn’t really mention their names in the same breath because Haliburton did what he could do to contribute…Fowler got into some kind of trouble and was sent on his way.
HS guys don’t always meet hopes and expectations either.
I still hold as a fundamental that strong programs are built on the backs of HS players who come in and develop under the guidance of a stable excellent coaching staff over 4 to 5 years.
We like to talk about Mike Leach’s good recruiting…looking back at classes after their eligibility is completed rather than counting stars is the more accurate assessment…we have had our share (whatever that amounts to) of failures in recruiting.
Any player that comes in and fails to graduate is a failure. Any that fails to letter while contributing on the field, either in practice or game time, is a failure. I do wonder how much effort is given to assess character, intelligence, and heart is given to recruiting football players…and how much is more like we need a body, make an offer.
There is a lot of talk about how much better our current staff is recruiting, I am looking forward to reviewing the results after these players use their eligibility.
as for me and my house, we chose the Lord.
any news on any UT commits de-commiting?
Whoever said, 'It's not whether you win or lose that counts,' probably lost.
Wow
That defensive class was terrible. No wonder we have no pass rush this year and are playing RB’s at DB. The Jeep must be pissed.
I tend to think defensively we’re starting from scratch. This side of ball was largely ignored with our offense being as powerful as it once was. That is why I tend to give Willis more wiggle room than Brown. I think next season we’ll improve but the corners need to learn how to cover. DJ Johnson should be a leader by now but his technique is awful and I just don’t see it happening. Phillips and Porter just need a good camp and I think we’ll see vast improvement with them.
"You've got to find your inner pirate" - Mike Leach
"We started too late" - Neal Brown
I agree.
Does this not start to solidify how good of a coach Leach was with offense?! Lower rankings and less “NFL” talent, and yet the offense recruiting classes turn out significantly better players and stats. Leach needed someone like the Jeep (at least what the hype about the Jeep is) about 2003 and we would all be talking about our national championships.
Maybe, maybe not
i could make the case that it took top talent to succeed even under Leach. It took a four star QB, a Bilitnikof receiver, and our most talented OL ever, all of which are now in the NFL, to produce our only elite season in a decade (2008). at no other point did we have such talent on the field at once, and the results speak for themselves. Based on those facts, it’s clear that even offensive genius requires NFL caliber talent to smell championships, and had we had them on both sides of the ball, we may have finished that year differently. If you take out that outlier, we averaged less than 8 wins a year, or we produced average results with average talent. There is always two sides of the story. In the end, the future of Tech football hinges on excellent scheme AND excellent recruiting.
"Dress good, yu'll play good. Play good, yu'll get paid good." -Deion Sanders
Do you enjoy hating Mike Leach as much as I love him?
Just curious.
And you are also not getting my point. My point is the O talent was amazing, and I was contrasting that with the D, not including it. The 2008 offense was good, but not as good as the BJ Symons offense IMHO. We had a number of great offensive years, and even some that competed with 2008 besides BJ’s year. When you speak records you are talking a whole team. My comment is about Leach and his offensive genius, which you just simply find offensive. Which is a sad disgrace b/c he is your college’s best coach of all time, winningest coach of all time, and coach that took your program the furthest of all time.
Also part of my point is that Welker, Amendola, Kingsbury, Symons, and even Harrell were all made into who they were by a great offensive coach. With additional talent and big time QB recruits he coached people to be heisman winners (at OU and UK). Additionally, my point is that more “talented” defensive players did less and have done less at Tech b/c Leach was an offensive oriented coach. Everyone knows this was a limitation which is why I said he needed a better coordinator above on D. But we will not have a better offensive coach than Leach ever.
And I’m also sick of you saying that 8 wins is average in the big 12 south. Its F&*CKING 3rd best over Leach’s years in the big 12 and in arguably the toughest division in college football over that period. Average my ass. We would have won the big 12 north about 5 to 7 times over that period. Losing to one of either UT or OU in the same season is not average. Most teams would do that. Baylor is average. Baylor in the north would finish bowl eligible most years. Baylor in the big east would have a shot. We were not average under Leach.
Did you read my post?
I spoke specifically about the offense. You asked if Leach did more with less on offense. I pointed out that Leach did more when he actually had more…ie blue chip, NFL caliber players like those our 2008 team was riddled with. Look don’t ask questions, if your going to label any answer you don’t like as hate. As for what is average, I’ll put ut this way. If Tubs spends 10 years beating 4 cream puff non cons, beating Baylor, one Big 12 South team, and 2 shitty north teams….. To get to 8 wins a year………IMO he will be an average coach. Feel free to develop your own definitions of success.
"Dress good, yu'll play good. Play good, yu'll get paid good." -Deion Sanders
Insert into this argument that the defnese had some good talent as well. Darcel is with the Broncos, Williams is with the Cowboys and McKinner Dixon if not for being a knucklehead would also be in the league.
Amendola, Crabtree, Vasquez, Reed, Carter that is some pretty good talent.Guess if we are counting Carter we can count Harrell too. Reed would be NFL if not for his age and the dilocated kneecap at the pro day.
Dont buy the Espn/Disney/ABC hype ! Playoffs are just spin to hide their agenda of owning our favorite sport.
I don't why I feel compelled to repeat I don't hate Leach
He was an improvement over Spyke, he kept us bowl eligible, and he brought an unprecedented amount of attention to the program. But that attention did not come from the outcome of big games, we didn’t play in any big games. The attention came from how we played. Now that we have the attention, we need to do something with it. This is tired, you think I’m too optimistic aboutvthe future, I think your too delusional about the past…..the truths somewhere in the middle.
"Dress good, yu'll play good. Play good, yu'll get paid good." -Deion Sanders
84-43 is pretty damn stout
as a record for 10 years for Leach. Think back to the early to mid 90’s when we were extremely fortunate to get into the big 12 altogether.
1) During that time we dominated ATM…..and essentialy leapfrogged them. I consider these big games
2)Bill Snyder had a stadium named after him and his record there is 83-63
3) Frank Beamer was 62-47 after his first 10 years and that includes two years with Mike Vick. He was finally getting his high end recruits like we did with Crabs and Harrell
4)UT and OU played in the national championship a combined 5 times during Mike’s 10 years. You can unofficially add another when OU was #3 and played the #2 team in LSU. Any victory against either of these programs at home or on Uranus are big games.
5)The Holiday bowl victory against the #4 team in Cal was a huge win, and catapulted Tech as far as actually getting T shirt fans and fans across the country enjoying the style of offense and the quirky coach.
Did we make it to the Big 12 championship or BCS bowl? No. Did we win big games? Yep.
"It's fun to do bad things"- Latarian
by oldschoolraider on Dec 15, 2010 12:25 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Maybe, maybe not
The starting offense for the 2008 team, according to rivals, averaged out with 2.27 stars…
It included:
two 4 star critical skill position recruits —> very critical
two other 3 star receivers —> valuable
two 2 star skill position players —> critical contributors
a line with two walk-ons (unrated), one 3 star and two 2 stars —> “most talented OL ever”
So maybe the recruiting services don’t know anything…
Or maybe Leach knew offensive talent better than the recruiting experts…
Or maybe Leach could just coach people up on offense…
Or maybe we were just lucky…
So many possibilities…
I suppose it’s even possible that Leach really was an offensive genius…
"Transition is hard." - TT
by Houston Raider on Dec 15, 2010 9:36 AM CST up reply actions
or he sucks...
:)
"It's fun to do bad things"- Latarian
by oldschoolraider on Dec 15, 2010 11:43 AM CST up reply actions
Facinating: Where's the correlation between stars and actual production?
The recruiting services’ 2008 ratings don’t match up with production. Our two most productive offensive players from this class (Zoo and Torez) were a 2-star and a walk-on. Whereas most of the defensive 3-4 star recruits contributed very little. Tubberville has repeatedly stressed the importance of being able to evaluate potential recruits. I sure hope he and his assistants are better at it than the recruiting services were in 2008. He has stated that he does not place much importance in how a potential recruit has been rated by the recruiting services, prefering to trust his staff’s assessment of how well a kid will fit into the team he is building. All we can do is hope he has learned to make superb judgments. If this year’s Auburn team is representative of Coach T’s abilities as a judge of talent, we should improve significantly by 2012.
What a crapshoot
Recruiting is. The level of stress realized by coaches who’s professional lives depend on these evalutions must be unpleasant.
At the whim of prima dona
18 year olds…..I would rather go into roofing in North Texas in July-August the Africa hot part of the year
"It's fun to do bad things"- Latarian
by oldschoolraider on Dec 14, 2010 5:07 PM CST up reply actions
Overall did Leach do more with less – Yes. Was he getting more Yes, was that good enough to win in Norman or Austin not even close!
Tubs systems rely on getting more from more, and you see he aligned his staff to address the inherant recruiting weakness of Lubbock.
Dont buy the Espn/Disney/ABC hype ! Playoffs are just spin to hide their agenda of owning our favorite sport.
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