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Ok, with all the coaching changes and changes to the 'air raid', am I the only one who sees this as a GOOD thing? I mean after 10 years there is no denying that teams had started to get used to our offense, I mean especially last season teams were really keying on what were pretty much our 'set' 8 plays.

My first look at this was with Houston, had it not been for our RUN game pounding the ball down their throats I don't think we would have scored half the points we did. Seriously it looked like they were in the huddle with us. A&M seemed to have us locked down again, had it not been for a few athletic break away plays. I mean when Baylor seems to be holding you down offensively for 2 years and running, there might be a bigger problem than any of us thought. I mean look back to our 2008 year when OU wouldn't even let us SNIFF the endzone till the team knew they had it in the bag.

Maybe it was Potts being in there most of the season, but it really looked like we surprised nobody all season long and I for one welcome a change. Ya Tubs wants to run the ball.... AND GOOD! We have probably the best backfield in the Big 12, what is wrong with some 2 back sets? I for one welcome a coach that isn't afraid to give the running game a chance to click rather then trying a run once then not going back to it till the 4th.

One more thing to simmer on is the defensive structures that have started to take hold around the Big 12/NCAA and how sooo many more teams are running a 3-3-5, or base Nickle sets for spread offenses. All passing offenses no longer 'scare the poop' out of defenses, mixing in a running game into one of the best passing offenses in the league makes us absolutely lethal. I think allot of the nay-sayers out there will change their minds about running the ball more once we start confusing teams on what were gunna do, and start making them look stupid again, rather than seeing Nickle sets all day every day no matter what teams we face.

Lets get down to it here and be honest with ourselves ... The all spread passing offense (like the triple option) is fun to watch, and enjoyable, but is an offense mainly used to mask talent gaps against much stronger teams athletically, using spacing to create mismatches rather than player on player mismatches. As a team, I think our talent has come a long way from when Leach got here and we were playing with scraps left over from A&M and Texas. We now have the players to run an offense that can combine the spacing advantages with player mismatches... and it's about time we adjusted our offense for these changes.

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There's a silver lining to (mostly) everything

Convincing all the Nancys around here is going to be hard but I think Neal Brown will do wonders with the offense.

Also, I don’t get why people are getting so caught up about he whole two back set issue. Is it explicitly said anywhere that the two back sets will be run under center? I have yet to read that anywhere and, if everyone will remember, Leach ran two back quite a bit (from shotgun).

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZPw2tS9lyMk – Watch it and see “what Brown can do for you”

by TheScarletandTheBlack on Feb 15, 2010 9:18 AM CST reply actions  

The video doesn’t show any two back stuff, but I don’t think anything’s run from under center (watched it the day he was announced as the OC and can’t remember the details). Also, this shows that our offense will be far from the “ZOMGWE’REGOINGTODONOTHINGBUTRUN!!!!!11111one” which is what alot of the Nancys think will happen.

by TheScarletandTheBlack on Feb 15, 2010 9:23 AM CST up reply actions  

You made your point

However, to call people who are members of this blog “Nancy’s” is just not right. I think Seth has made it clear there should be no name calling, and “Nancy’s” fall ino that category. If you want to argue a point, please do so without being so abrasive.

According to the original post, there sems to be a misconception that the offense Leach ran consisted of but a few plays. In reality, they were simple set-ups for a myriad of plays to run off of, making it difficult for defenses to key on a particular play sequence. When players can utilize one formation to operate many different plays, no defense can know what is going to happen until it does happen.

Also, Leach was adding more running plays into the scheme, so what Tubs is proposing is not new, it is just coming from another mouth. I am ready, as you appear to be, for more runs added to the passing to mix things up even more. What it will mean is that our QBs will not lead the nation in yards passing, but could lead us to just as many, maybe more wins. Only time will tell if the offense remains as exciting as it has been, but we will be very good, still, on offense, while the defensive schemes will provide a decided change from what we have seen in the past.

TTpilk Psalm 117:
1 ¶ O praise the LORD, all ye nations: praise him, all ye people.
2 For his merciful kindness is great toward us: and the truth of the LORD endureth for ever. Praise ye the LORD.

by TTpilk645 on Feb 15, 2010 12:36 PM CST up reply actions  

First off...

where do I refer to anyone on this blog as a Nancy in this post? I’m talking about everyone in general that refuses to get over Leach being gone and move on. That train of thought travels WELLLLL beyond the scope of this blog.

Secondly, none of these “negative people” (is that better for you than Nancy?) are willing to give any of the current staff in place any due process. What I find funny is it’s these same people that are crucifying the university for doing the same thing to Leach. Hey pot, meet the kettle….

by TheScarletandTheBlack on Feb 15, 2010 12:43 PM CST up reply actions  

To add to that

Batch said it best after the Alamo Bowl.

“Leach is gone, and he’s not coming back.”

by TheScarletandTheBlack on Feb 15, 2010 12:47 PM CST up reply actions  

My mom's name is Nancy

so just call me Nancy Jr.

"Well, outside of Lubbock, expectations aren't very high. But it's okay, we play in Lubbock a lot this season"
-Mike Leach

by San Antonio Red Raider on Feb 15, 2010 1:04 PM CST up reply actions  

Better----

Apology accepted. :>D

TTpilk Psalm 117:
1 ¶ O praise the LORD, all ye nations: praise him, all ye people.
2 For his merciful kindness is great toward us: and the truth of the LORD endureth for ever. Praise ye the LORD.

by TTpilk645 on Feb 15, 2010 2:35 PM CST up reply actions  

Re:

This is not in response to any of the substantive points made in your post regarding the offense. I disagree generally that our offense had been figured out, but I am, like you, optimistic that we will continue to be a highly ranked offense with Neal Brown as OC and look forward to his tenure. Whether or not we improve will be decided on the field.

Instead, this is my observation that something unhelpful is occurring between two increasingly fractured groups of people on this website, and I think we’d all be better off if, instead of identifying all the things we seemingly disagree about in broad, vague, and generalized terms, we: 1) focused more on the things we agree about, and 2) to the extent that disagreements are had, let us all refrain from generalizing about others or categorizing individuals who happen to disagree with us on certain points. I am as guilty of this as anyone.

where do I refer to anyone on this blog as a Nancy in this post?
Convincing all the Nancys around here is going to be hard but I think Neal Brown will do wonders with the offense.

I do not think it is a tortured reading of your post that you’ve impliedly stated that there are “Nancy’s” (negative nancy’s, presumably) “around here” meaning members of this blog-space. While it may very well be the case that Nancy’s exist “WELLLLL beyond the scope of this blog” it’s difficult to see that you’re addressing the foreign ones at all, or exclusively, when you refer to the ones “around here” in need of convincing.

I agree with Chad that there’s no reason for anyone to get worked up about the word “Nancy.” If you’d replaced it with “Shitheads” I still wouldn’t have cared all that much.

What concerns me, though, is that the events of the past few months have fractured Texas Tech fans into two groups. The result is that people who disagree with each other on one particular issue are painted with increasingly broader brushes such that “Nancys” who think Neal Brown might be a downgrade from Coach Leach are also assigned the unwillingness “to give any of the current staff in place any due process.” (One might respond: If no members of a particular group of Texas Tech fans are capable of giving members of the current staff due process, it is because it is not ours to give; due process is something provided by the law, not by individuals.) While it is probably the case that some people who doubt whether our offense will be as good with Neal Brown also do not give the current coaching staff its due credit, it is almost certainly not the case that every person who so doubts is unwilling to give the entire staff due credit.

A similar statement from the other tribe might be that “people who think Tuberville is a better coach are unwilling to give Mike Leach any due credit.” This is a similarly unfair accusation, because I’m sure there are many (in fact probably most of the) people who think Turberville is a better coach are perfectly willing to give Mike Leach credit for his accomplishments as well.

I have a number of problems with this. First, even among groups who share much agreement, views are still very diverse. Many people who generally side with Leach or Tuberville or Brown or Leach or whomever on some particular issue may and probably do have diverse, complex opinions that should not and cannot be whittled into platitudes or gross mischaracterizations of their position. Whatever “Nancys” is supposed to describe, it is unlikely that it accurately and completely captures the opinion of anyone in either group. “Nancys” are probably neither black nor white, but grey.

Second, these broad generalizations encourage hostility and pettiness more than respectful disagreement likely to give rise to constructive discussion. By overgeneralizing about people with whom you disagree, you’re already condemning them as wrong before they ever have an opportunity to speak for themselves. Thus, individuals like TTpilk645 who have (probably accurately) noticed that you’ve called him a “Nancy” are now in the unfortunate position of having to defense themselves against the broadside presented; that he’s incapable of giving due credit to the current staff. I think it is almost certainly false. I also doubt whether you intended to challenge him particularly, but the implication is there (or at least TTpilk sees it as present).

Third, to the extent that there are people who have the views you ascribe, why not just notice them? Your original post’s second paragraph is addressed at the views of “people.” What people? “Nancys”? People on the internet? People on this blog? If there are people who are worried about the two back set, I think it best that you identify at least one of them by name so everyone else will be aware of the context of your statement. Otherwise all we know is that you think some “negative” “people” are “Nancys”, that they are “around here,” and that everyone who is a member of this group seeks to “crucify… the university for doing” something to Leach, and are incapable of “giv[ing] any of the current staff in place any due process.” When we’re all finished sifting through these accusations, which you insist after the fact are not directed at anyone on this blog (then at whom, I wonder?), is it even possible that you’ve identified one real person? And if not, who is supposed to respond (and how?) to your accusations?

I am very bad about this as well. I have fallen into the unfortunate habit of assigning views to people about a great many things simply because they disagree with me on one narrow issue. I am going to do a better job of not falling into that trap, and I hope everyone else does as well, because I think this will be a far more enjoyable and interesting place to visit if we limit our criticisms of each other to things that have actually been said or argued by individuals specificially, as opposed to making broad, and one might argue outrageously broad claims about large groups of unidentified people.

But that’s just my two cents.

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by Skin Patrol on Feb 15, 2010 4:01 PM CST up reply actions   1 recs

+1 Texas Tech snuggie

…what, it was my favorite Christmas present, get off me.

"We have a running game at Tech......sometimes we throw short passes." -Mike Leach

by TTUMAR on Feb 15, 2010 4:44 PM CST up reply actions  

No....

it means I think SP made a good point.

"We have a running game at Tech......sometimes we throw short passes." -Mike Leach

by TTUMAR on Feb 15, 2010 7:14 PM CST up reply actions  

And.....

stick to the nomenclature laid out in SARR’s contract.

"We have a running game at Tech......sometimes we throw short passes." -Mike Leach

by TTUMAR on Feb 15, 2010 7:21 PM CST up reply actions  

Re-reading this it sounds like I'm telling you to not to do something..

I mean to say I was simply using the language from SARRS contract, and meant no disrespect.

"We have a running game at Tech......sometimes we throw short passes." -Mike Leach

by TTUMAR on Feb 15, 2010 7:38 PM CST up reply actions  

Hey, SP

I really did not take the post personally. I just felt TheScarletandTheBlack was using a term Seth and others have mentioned that need not be used, name calling if you will. That was all. I was not getting my panties in a wad (another suggestion that I am a “Nancy”, which I am not, therefore not really appreciative of) over this, just bringing it to light to help him see that name calling should be avoided as best as possible.

I happen to think like you. Leach did some great things that I hope no one will overlook or give credit to someone else. Tubs brings a different outlook that could build very nicely upon the base left by Leach and his staff. I am also for a revved up running attack. I have always like the run because it is just smash mouth football. It can get the fans as excited as the passing game, especially when both are used in such a way as to very complimentary to one another. The rest of my reply actually mentions all of this.

There are two, three, maybe even four differing views that are expressed on this blog. I enjoy them all and even accept some points as they do make sense….maybe not the person’s complete view, but a portion, anyways. I also enjoy being able to express my views. Hopefully we all are on one page that is not different: The Texas Tech Red Raiders! Regardless of our many ideas, expectations, suggestions, disappointments, pleasures, etc., we want Texas Tech to continue its upward spiral into the upper echelons of the college football world. I think Tuns can do this and am ready for a bright future for our Red Raiders.

TTpilk Psalm 117:
1 ¶ O praise the LORD, all ye nations: praise him, all ye people.
2 For his merciful kindness is great toward us: and the truth of the LORD endureth for ever. Praise ye the LORD.

by TTpilk645 on Feb 15, 2010 8:03 PM CST up reply actions  

Point taken...

but I feel I need to set things straight.

I have been, and always will be, a fan of Leach and (most of) his assistants and I wish them all well at there current/future jobs. I’m looking foward to seeing what Ruff and Lincoln have in store at ECU and, in (probably) two years, I look foward to seeing what Mike will do at where ever he goes to. Don’t think that by what I’ve said that I’m someone in the anti-Leach camp.

With that said, I’m sick and tired of people whining and not giving any of the current staff any chance at all due to the fact that they’re mad at the administration for firing Leach. I’m still mad at the admin too but there’s no sense at all in not supporting the team. Texas Tech was here before Leach and Texas Tech must move on now without the Captain, but it’s going to be hard without the support of the fan base. Again, I’m as mad as the next guy at the admin, but I have no reason to be mad at anyone coaching or on the field of play (well, other than Adam James but hopefully he stays on the sideline/in a closet/shed).

Also, by around here I meant around the Tech fan base. Sorry for the confusion.

by TheScarletandTheBlack on Feb 16, 2010 11:51 AM CST up reply actions  

for the laugh that I admited.

Sometimes a river boat can out run a pirate ship.

by TallMike on Feb 16, 2010 4:21 PM CST up reply actions  

O.k.

panny’s in a wad vs panties in a wad

It was one of those simple spelling errors, the kind we all make…I don’t know why, when I saw it I really laughed..and enjoyed the laugh…so there was an element of thank you in my comment, but I did not want to go to the point of pointing out a spelling error like the spelling police…but I did enjoy the laugh.

Sometimes a river boat can out run a pirate ship.

by TallMike on Feb 17, 2010 9:26 AM CST up reply actions  

lol

I actually hate the word panties…I purposely spelled it pannys!

by chad0454 on Feb 17, 2010 9:55 AM CST up reply actions  

New DTN Rules:

1. Don’t wad your pannys.
2. Routinely hug panties.
      a. unless you are at Wal-Mart

"Well, outside of Lubbock, expectations aren't very high. But it's okay, we play in Lubbock a lot this season"
-Mike Leach

by San Antonio Red Raider on Feb 17, 2010 10:10 AM CST up reply actions  

Don't think so

but I think Whole Foods Market carries them. Next to the brie.

"Well, outside of Lubbock, expectations aren't very high. But it's okay, we play in Lubbock a lot this season"
-Mike Leach

by San Antonio Red Raider on Feb 17, 2010 2:18 PM CST up reply actions  

Oh, organic !!

Sometimes a river boat can out run a pirate ship.

by TallMike on Feb 17, 2010 3:34 PM CST up reply actions  

Pretty rough, huh ?

Sometimes a river boat can out run a pirate ship.

by TallMike on Feb 17, 2010 9:18 PM CST up reply actions  

I'll say

Made it burn when I pee too…… Or I guess that could be the girl willing to wear organic edible panties.

by RdrPwr on Feb 18, 2010 12:03 AM CST up reply actions  

Last I checked, yes

and panties in a twist are no fun at all!

by TechRaider78 on Feb 21, 2010 7:31 PM CST up reply actions  

its spelled pannys, here at DTN :)

good to know there are some females that actually follow football!

by chad0454 on Feb 21, 2010 8:53 PM CST up reply actions  

Love Football, enjoy college basketball ...

but baseball’s my passion. Unfortunately, I learned to appreciate baseball after my Tech years, so never went to watch while I was in school. My husband introduced me to baseball in Northern California, and I would take my son to A’s day games when he was in elementary school. We’re back in TX, now, and nowhere near a professional team. Baseball is not the same on TV – it’s hard to watch and harder to score.

by TechRaider78 on Feb 21, 2010 9:09 PM CST up reply actions  

This what i have been trying to say

Neal Brown has got better athletes than troy will ever dream off. He has arguably the best state to recruit out of from. A lot of minds will change once that first snap is played on saturday.

by wrench_raider on Feb 15, 2010 9:27 AM CST reply actions  

Dang, I hope the qb does not fumble !!!

Every thing would be in the dumps from there on…LOL !

Sometimes a river boat can out run a pirate ship.

by TallMike on Feb 15, 2010 12:25 PM CST up reply actions  

Come closer.......Let me let you in on a little secret.....

Pssttt…He will also be playing against better athletes!!!! Minds won’t change until the LAST snap of the season is played…

by bw8789 on Feb 15, 2010 11:10 PM CST up reply actions  

I have to disagree with you.

We may not be able to tell a difference during the spring game, but a lot of us will see a difference, be it good or bad, after this first series when the season starts.

Waiting until the last snap doesn’t have to be done at all.

" Answers -- Become Resources."
Without Questions; There are limited Resources...

by KWashburn on Feb 16, 2010 2:08 AM CST up reply actions  

You read my mind, vassago

"I’ve established a reputation for integrity. I have maintained those high standards" - Craig James

by TechFirst on Feb 15, 2010 9:39 AM CST reply actions  

And another thing

I would gladly trade a #1 spot in passing offense for a more balanced attack if it meant teams didnt know what was coming. Take our #1 passing rank and keep the #1 overall offense ranking? You bet.

I simply DONT agree with all the hardliners who say, “we ran the ball approximately 28% in 2007, 34% in 2008 and about 32% in 2009 but Neal Brown BETTER NOT run the ball over 40% of the time.” I say, “let him call what he wants if it means we’re lethal and we win games”

The Lyle Leong Bandwagon will Continue to Roll!!!

Respect Everyone....Fear No One!

Wreck 'em, Tech!

by Tortilla Pirate on Feb 15, 2010 9:50 AM CST up reply actions  

I think...

this is simply a case of Mike Leach committing to zig when they zag and now Tubbs zagging when they zig.

The Lyle Leong Bandwagon will Continue to Roll!!!

Respect Everyone....Fear No One!

Wreck 'em, Tech!

by Tortilla Pirate on Feb 15, 2010 9:40 AM CST reply actions  

Tubs seems like a guy who will zag when most everybody else is zagging

He will claim to be a better zagger than past zaggers we’ve seen. As a Nancy, I have to see how Tech zagging against Texas, Oklahoma & A&M while they all zag too is going to earn us a win. When everybody is all doing the Locomotion the same way, the team with the best dancers will win. We just need better dancers now.

Please stop ending every controversial comment with 'Just saying'. Drives me batty. Thank you.

by mbrown603 on Feb 15, 2010 12:55 PM CST up reply actions  

I'm so old I was thinking of the Carol King girl group original

Mid – 60’s. The Chiffons or something like that. Anyway Carol King wrote the song.

Please stop ending every controversial comment with 'Just saying'. Drives me batty. Thank you.

by mbrown603 on Feb 15, 2010 1:07 PM CST up reply actions  

LOL...

then +1 and I throw in some bell bottom jeans and a sweet ass tie-dyed shirt

by raider realist on Feb 15, 2010 1:12 PM CST up reply actions  

Little Eva...

She was Carol King’s babysitter or something like that…

by Houston Raider on Feb 16, 2010 10:22 AM CST up reply actions  

I disagree

Tubbs tried (unsuccessfully) to install a spread offense when it would have had the same effect in the SEC as when Capn Leach took over at TTech. Granted he didnt have the personnel and his relationship with the Admin/Booster(s) soured.

Just the fact that he was willing to go that route at Auburn makes me want to give him the benefit of the doubt now. Now that everyone is so willing to go spread in CFB, (just look how far Xerox State is going to copy Tech) the time is ripe for someone to re-focus on defense while keeping the same spread offense in place being run by “his guys”.

The Lyle Leong Bandwagon will Continue to Roll!!!

Respect Everyone....Fear No One!

Wreck 'em, Tech!

by Tortilla Pirate on Feb 15, 2010 3:05 PM CST up reply actions  

You don't run a true spread with TIGHT ENDS!!!!!!

It ain’t goin’ to be the same….Which is ok by me, but it ain’t the same!!!!!

by bw8789 on Feb 15, 2010 11:01 PM CST up reply actions  

Tight end won’t be present on all plays. Leach brought them in and out but never a constant.

"You've got to find your inner pirate" - Mike Leach

by Raider1992 on Feb 16, 2010 8:34 AM CST up reply actions  

Bristol Olomua

Does no one remember this guy or Mickey Peters who played TE and inside reciever? Both excelled in Leach’s system, and look at OU with Jermaine Gresham who played TE in a spread offense.

by ST04 on Feb 16, 2010 9:41 AM CST up reply actions  

GOOD POINT

"You've got to find your inner pirate" - Mike Leach

by Raider1992 on Feb 16, 2010 11:33 AM CST up reply actions  

Olomua was the only real TE, Peter's was a Y

perhaps the definitive Y for a lot of years, a converted qb.

Olomua was the prototypical big lumbering, don’t-get-in-the-way-mr-linebacker TE. And I can’t remember his name, but there was the 6-8 guy who did such a great on sides kick recovery then went on to play bb for Bob Knight who also was a big TE.

They were situational players.

Sometimes a river boat can out run a pirate ship.

by TallMike on Feb 16, 2010 2:02 PM CST up reply actions  

Joey Hawkins. He also played basketball when we went to the sweet 16 in 2004. He didn’t have the best hands, but he made some very clutch plays in his career. One in paticular was during the holiday bowl he make two key 3rd down receptions to give us first downs during that game.

by ST04 on Feb 18, 2010 8:39 PM CST up reply actions  

Yes you can

Just ask…..Mike Leach.

see, Olomua, Bristol

see also, James, Adam. Leach wished he could have turned him into a Air Raid type TE. Time will tell. Personally I hope never to see the guy in a tech uniform again but thats not my call.

The Lyle Leong Bandwagon will Continue to Roll!!!

Respect Everyone....Fear No One!

Wreck 'em, Tech!

by Tortilla Pirate on Feb 16, 2010 5:18 PM CST up reply actions  

I agree. I still don’t think James has the size to be a decent blocking TE, and I think teams will be able to key in on him as a recieving TE.

by ST04 on Feb 18, 2010 8:40 PM CST up reply actions  

I disagree

The offense has always taken what the defense gave them. I don’t think that anyone had successfully adjusted to anything. I think the success of the offense has always depended on execution of assignment and individual match ups. In 2008 with one of the best quarterbacks, receivers, and offensive lines, there were a lot of individual battles being won on the Tech side. There were not as many of those battles won this year due to the inconsistencies of the offensive line and quarterback. Next year has the potential to be as good if not better than 2008. My fear is that the potential success of next year could be nullifeid by all of the change. I guess the amount of change and learning curve will determine the success.

by Raider75 on Feb 15, 2010 9:54 AM CST reply actions  

I didn't get to finish earlier

The continuity of head coach and coaching staff plays a large part in the improvement in recruiting and success of the program. The whole reason for ut naming a “Head Coach in waiting” is to show a consistency in the program for years to come. I agree it is just a title that may or may not come to fruition, but it is comforting to athletes that have committed or are planning to committ. I think such a radical change in coaching personnel disrupts the progression. I am not degrading the new coaches’ abilities. I just wonder how much damage the transition has caused and if it can be overcome. I wonder how much change in coaching philosohy there is. How many of the current athletes fit the molds of what the current staff wants? I am not saying that any offense can’t be as successful as the previous. I am just saying that it was well established , and we don’t know how close to square one we are starting from now. Rome wasn’t built in a day. Hance destroyed it in a day. To what extent though?

by Raider75 on Feb 15, 2010 1:29 PM CST up reply actions  

I have yet to see...

ANYONE attempt to make a valid arguement about why they think Brown’s offense can’t be as good as Leach’s.

Yes, we all miss the Pirate and his offense was one of a kind and in a perfect world he would still be here. However, he’s not here and all people want to do is complain that this change will destroy our offense.

I would like to ask anyone who thinks we’re going to be a dud offensively next year to Google/YouTube/NCAA.org stats/etc. Troy’s offense from the last two years and try to make a valid point as to why we can’t have success (I’ll give you that the “meerkat/prairie dog” BS drives me crazy but try to find something else you don’t like).

by TheScarletandTheBlack on Feb 15, 2010 10:13 AM CST reply actions  

We won't be a DUD by any stretch of the imagination.....BUT......

Only next season will tell, and if you are basing your position on Troy’s stats, put an asteric by that, and don’t hold your breath!!!! Troy plays in the worst conference in D1…The SUN BELT ain’t the BIG 12!!!!!

by bw8789 on Feb 15, 2010 10:54 PM CST up reply actions  

And Our talent is not Sun Belt Conf. Talent.....

This notion that you can’t look at brown’s tendencies on offense because he played in a weak conference in an incomplete thought. IMO, the increased talent he received coming to Tech cancels out the weak competition he faced in the Sun Belt. Regardless, I am still confused about why there is debate on whether we will run the “spread” or not run the spread. We hired an OC who only knows the spread. Put a fork in it.

"We have a running game at Tech......sometimes we throw short passes." -Mike Leach

by TTUMAR on Feb 16, 2010 8:32 AM CST up reply actions  

We are on the same page Vassago

"You've got to find your inner pirate" - Mike Leach

by Raider1992 on Feb 15, 2010 11:00 AM CST reply actions  

Agree to Disagree

Vassago I disagree with you that we have the athletes to win one on one battles game in and game out in this league. I also disagree with you that Leach’s basic 8 play system was compromised because everyone figured it out. Leach’s basic 8 play system also can be expanded into about 1,000 different variations. Case in point taking Jeffers and bringing him from the slot position turning our backfield into a two back backfield. Leach was genius. Our quarterback Potts did not execute in the Houston game, just like Harrell didn’t execute a 4 and 6 against Old Miss in the Cotton Bowl. It happens. Leach recruited the athletes that fit his system, and his defense was improving every year. Leach was upset all year with the Quarterback and receiver positions. It was a down year, and yet we still win 9 games, and truth be told with a few breaks, this team could have won 10 games again. Whether or not Tubs can win with Leach’s kids in his system, we will just have to wait and see. Leach recruited the best 3 and 4 star atheletes. He was able to pick the best. And gosh, if Sticks does not get hurt, I can only imagine what this team could have done.

by Btech on Feb 15, 2010 11:12 AM CST reply actions  

The system depends on flawless execution and a quick thinking/acting qb...

The air raid system will continue. The genius of Leach was not simply the Air Raid but simple keys that evolved during the play execution. He practiced this over and over until the qb and offense could execute flawlessly. The key to this system is a cerebral and confident qb that can read the defense and function in this system quickly. If not, he would get in trouble (All qb’s at times and Potts too often). The game that best demonstrates this philosophy was the 2008 OSU game from beginning to end this game was executed superbly. This was Leach and the O-team at its offensive best. OSU played the nickle and still failed to stop Tech.

If Brown, an air raid coach, doesn’t shift his thinking and coach up the qb to call the checks,Tech’s offense will be less efficient.

"There's one thing I'll say. I'd hate to play us." Tuberville

by jdhud on Feb 15, 2010 3:16 PM CST reply actions  

1st half against Kansas State this year was impressive

6 offensive series, 5 touchdowns and one field goal. 6 K State possessions, 6 punts or turnovers. Halftime score 38-0. That was the most perfect half of football I’ve ever seen.

Please stop ending every controversial comment with 'Just saying'. Drives me batty. Thank you.

by mbrown603 on Feb 15, 2010 3:35 PM CST up reply actions  

Simple answer.......

After 10 years, defenses caught up to our offense? There have been enough facts and stats explored on DTN to show that this is false. Maybe some people got tired of Mike, but factually speaking…..defenses had not caught up to Air Raid.
Maybe it was Potts in there that didn’t surprise people……You think? Lay Pott’s performance on Mike, but if your theory is Air Raid was declining…..not so much. My hope is that the dropoff offensively (yes, there will be one) is offset by:
1) Defensive improvement 2)Solid special teams 3) No moments of WTF (going for it on your own 20)

" I crammed 4 years of Tech into 5"- me

by oldschoolraider on Feb 15, 2010 3:25 PM CST reply actions  

I think the evolution of the player has a lot to do with this....

We’ve all said it. What if we had legit 4 star personel? Would they catch up with us then? Probably not. If you are able to “man up” with the corner or safety in front of you, beat him (this is where the 4 star mentality comes to play), then execute your route in open space and get to the ball we are deadly on offense. Look at it this way, if we had Crabs, Bryant, Shipley, Maclin, and Briscoe lining up on offense to catch the ball we would be pretty hard to compete with. We never had that chance. We work with what we have and produce.

So, stating that other teams defense are catching up with Leach’s Air Raid, not likely. We are also evolving. A wagon full of star athletes that play hard + Air Raid = 12-0 regular season.

Oldschool, I’m not disagreeing with you at all, I just thought that I would tack my comment to yours and continue on.

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by KWashburn on Feb 15, 2010 6:12 PM CST up reply actions  

When I read about defenses catching up

my mind goes more to schemes and strategies than the athletes.

The spread offenses have been pretty successful vs the 4-3’s that they initially were playing against and DC’s found themselves behind the curve. Just as DC’s found themselves behind the curve when the wishbone hit…it took a couple of years but (I guess the Notre Dame vs Texas game showed it first from my memory) they started packing the LOS and forcing the pass and pretty much nullified it.

On the other hand, I think this is where I see KW’s point, when there is reasonable parity between schemes, it gets back to the quality of the athletes, speed and athleticism, and football smarts vs scheme, preparation, and executions by guys not as gifted. It is always better to have better football players, but a program that does out coach and teach better execution still has a good chance to win with lesser athletes.

Sometimes a river boat can out run a pirate ship.

by TallMike on Feb 17, 2010 9:35 AM CST up reply actions  

I don't agree...

that defenses began to catch up with the Air Raid. In it’s simplicity, it was a “here is what we are doing, beat it if you can” type system. It was clear from the begining that if you could keep the offense off the field (Nebraska 2008), we could be beat. However, other than ball control, if our players exceute, even the best defenses in the conference can’t stop us from scoring (Nebraska 2009). We just did a much poorer job of consistently executing in 209 IMO.

"We have a running game at Tech......sometimes we throw short passes." -Mike Leach

by TTUMAR on Feb 17, 2010 10:11 AM CST up reply actions  

2009

"We have a running game at Tech......sometimes we throw short passes." -Mike Leach

by TTUMAR on Feb 17, 2010 10:12 AM CST up reply actions  

I don't that defenses have caught up to the Air Raid either.

We know they are trying different angles, some have thoughts off of the 3-4, others adapt off of the 4-3, they are all adding speed to the linebacker level and db’s, as they substitute nickel and dime packages…they still have not solved the puzzle against a team that can execute the offense with precision.

On the other hand, we have seen OU do a really good job, at times humiliating a very good offense…a large part of that is the quality and talent they put on defense, part of it is great coaching, and disguising schemes…that somehow blocked our ability to execute.

They did kill the wishbone though.

Sometimes a river boat can out run a pirate ship.

by TallMike on Feb 17, 2010 12:28 PM CST up reply actions  

Oh....GIVE ME A BREAK!!!!!!!

The spread is NOT used to mask offensive mismatches against stronger defenses. Where do you come up with this nonsense? You obviously have no clue about the game. The spread is EXACTLY what the word implies…..TO SPREAD THE DEFENSE and gain yardage based on the set coverage of the defense and having the QB “check down” on routes that are called. Does any reasonable and prudent person believe that if a “core” set of 8 plays were used, that BIG 12 defenses needed over 10 years to figure it out? Look up and see where we ranked in total offense nationally with numerous QB’s. Potts has one HELL OF AN ARM, but makes horrible reads (this is why he was constantly in the doghouse last season, in addition to his refusal to RUN THE BALL) and had a hard time figuring out defenses that masked their coverage (i.e. HOUSTON). Have you not seen game replays. Receivers were almost always open on routes, but Potts would often have “tunnel vision” and would wait for a certain receiver to get open. which often lead to sacks or interceptions!!!! The A&M game was a disaster due to turnovers. Go back and look at the total yardage that was put up by Tech. If you think Tubs has the skill players to have a good running game within the next two years…Enjoy the cool-aid. We are at least 2 years away from that.

by bw8789 on Feb 15, 2010 10:31 PM CST reply actions  

Disagree

And there’s no sense in attacking those with different views.

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by TechFirst on Feb 16, 2010 5:53 AM CST up reply actions  

"We have a running game at Tech......sometimes we throw short passes." -Mike Leach

by TTUMAR on Feb 16, 2010 8:33 AM CST up reply actions  

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