STICKS SHEFFIELD: "WAS NOT GIVEN A SHOT AT STARTER PRE-2009"
According to RRS, and reiterated for free by Aaron Dickens on 104.3, Stick Sheffield felt Mike Leach did not offer an "open competition" for QB prior to 2009. He went on to say he is excited about a "true" open competition for the job.
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Surprised?
Up until this season I never second guessed Leachs QB selection for two reasons. The starters were always doing a good job putting up impressive numbers and were always healthy. This is the first season under Leach that a starter did not play every game and we had to see a backup other than in a blow out.
Leach seemed very loyal to Potts when he was healthy but it was very clear that Sticks had a better tempo with the offense. His reads, release and execution seemed very crisp as he fired darts all over the field. Sticks was constantly on the sidelines motivating and encouraging his teamates on both sides of the ball.
The question I have is when a walk on out performs your recruited scholarship player, does it make the head coach look bad? I have confidence in both Potts and Sticks, but my preference is obvious. Seems like Steven felt there were issues.
Yeah, the more I hear, the more it's clear...
That a disconnect between Coach and the team was growing. I can’t say it was Leach’s fault, given his relationship with his superiors, I may have had the same problems.In the end, for whatever reason, 2009 was wrought with inconsistencies that didn’t appear to be there prior.
"We have a running game at Tech......sometimes we throw short passes." -Mike Leach
I think you are reading too much into it
Chris Todd probably felt the same way in ‘06. Harrell threw back to back pick 6’s against Mizzou, got booed off the field, and almost got in a fight with fans in the stands. Leach put Todd in the game for a few series but went back to Harrell. Tech fans BTDN ( before DTN) nationwide were calling for Harrell’s head and Leach was the biggest idiot in the world. There were near riots again after the Colorado game in 06 and 07.
I’m a Sheffield fan too, but as Seth pointed out all season, he has his weaknesses. There are a few areas where my advice would be helpful, but I think I’ll leave the QB decisions up to Leach. He has a pretty good track record. I don’t think it had anything to do with contracts or relationships. He just thought Potts had more potential.
"Well, outside of Lubbock, expectations aren't very high. But it's okay, we play in Lubbock a lot this season"
-Mike Leach
by San Antonio Red Raider on Feb 9, 2010 7:42 AM CST up reply actions
SARR has good head
like bull
"There's going to be ups and downs but you have to enjoy the battle." Mike Leach
There is an inappropriate joke here somewhere.
"We have a running game at Tech......sometimes we throw short passes." -Mike Leach
by TTUMAR on Feb 9, 2010 9:02 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
Smart.....like ox
"I’ve established a reputation for integrity. I have maintained those high standards" - Craig James
Wait- is that name calling?
Oxen deserve our respect and admiration and shouldn’t be dragged down to my level.
"Well, outside of Lubbock, expectations aren't very high. But it's okay, we play in Lubbock a lot this season"
-Mike Leach
by San Antonio Red Raider on Feb 9, 2010 2:41 PM CST up reply actions
My apologies to all oxen members
But wait, they can’t give me any flack. Typing with those hoooves must be hell.
"I’ve established a reputation for integrity. I have maintained those high standards" - Craig James
They have a hard time typing for another reason
"I’ve established a reputation for integrity. I have maintained those high standards" - Craig James
I'm not real surprised...
to hear SS make that statement. I think we could all hear his frustration from the press conf. comments when asked if he should be the starter after a come from behind win. The guy was probably looked at but I’m sure Potts was what was considered at the time as the starter with the most potential. I myself had much higher expectations of Potts and thought he would be better than Harrell. I’m sure with his size and arm Leach thought the guy was golden. Unfortunately a great many of were wrong and Potts may have the measurables but lacks the leadership and of course “it” factor. I doubt Potts is the starter next fall and I wouldn’t discount Karam at all. My bet says SS is starter and Karam/Potts share 2 team. Lastly, I do think a walk-on can out perform a scholarship player and yes a good coach will put pride aside and use the better player. Walk-on athletes can gain scholarships as well. In Leach’s case I just he think he thought like most of us that Pott’s would deliver.
"You've got to find your inner pirate" - Mike Leach
Coach look bad?
Not if he is more interested in winning than being right. Tub even said throw the ratings out and start over seeing who wants to play.
Ask Jake King if his ego was hurt in 1965 when walk-on QB, Tom Wilson, was running the offense and throwing the ball to Jerry Shipley and Donny Anderson enroute to a AP#10 ranking and a showdown with Arkansas in the final game of the season. Wilson set a number of records that stood for quite a while around RaiderLand and then went on to HC at ta&m. Jake loved it.
My only question about Sticks is durability. He is sharper than Potts in many ways. He had a higher yards per throw and completion percentage than Potts. He didn’t get any of the cream puff games. Look at the ratio of TDs to Picks. I also was really looking forward to Potts, but I really think Sticks pulled the bacon out in the bowl game.
I still can’t understand how Potts was allowed to get this far with bad technique. You would think that somehow that throwing off the rear foot stuff would have been corrected long ago.
I didn't realize that Wilson was a WO
I was there watching all that as a student/fan…Wilson was so thin that he looked awkward at times…but he made the team a different team.
Good info, thank you.
Sometimes a river boat can out run a pirate ship.
Wilson
It has been a long time, but as I recall he started out #6 on the QB depth chart.
I was there in Fayetteville when they “called the Hogs” that day. The stadium was a steel structure, and the fans had learned to stamp their feet to make quite a noise along with the vocals. One of those lasting impression moments.
Great first half with not so good outcome. Hog defense rose up in the second half as top teams do. We got there butts in LBB the next year with a huge upset.
Great experience in the hills of AR, but my regret was that it was the first game ever to use instant replay. Anderson was pounding out 5 yard carries in the first half and ABC was using its new toy to replay them. We only got to see them once.
Mike Leach was once asked about technique by a reporter...
early on, maybe somewhere behind Kingsbury’s time…he mentioned that it was not important to him (in the way that only he could say).
Sometimes a river boat can out run a pirate ship.
Not surprised!
This is normal for most head coaches. They also tend to have favorites, be it football or any other sport. The only time it really is brought out is when a coach moves on or is replaced. The Tech players probably knew it was outside influences causing things to be uneasy, but could do nothing about it. Now, they can say things and lay it all on the former coach (kind of like knocking the proverbial monkey of their collective backs), when we DTN fans all realize that there was a whole lot more to it than just Leach. However, I hope the whole team can settle down now and perform as well as they can without feeling there is undue outside pressure causing things to be out of sync. This could actually be very beneficial as they could explode this year and have the kind of year we fans have all hoped for. GET YOUR GUNS UP!
TTpilk
It's like working in a company. Everything that goes wrong gets blamed on the guy who just quit.
Can’t hurt the guy who’s no longer there. And he sure as Hell can’t hurt you for trashing him.
Please stop ending every controversial comment with 'Just saying'. Drives me batty. Thank you.
Human nature....
But I think he is being candid…there was something there.
" I crammed 4 years of Tech into 5"- me
by oldschoolraider on Feb 8, 2010 8:31 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
I'm not saying your wrong.....or that I haven't witnessed the same....
but isn’t it just as likely that Mike let his contract stuff get to him, and everyone of these kids aren’t liars?
"We have a running game at Tech......sometimes we throw short passes." -Mike Leach
Perception
Wouldn’t go so far as to say they are liars. And I’m not suggesting you are calling them liars either.
I think it is more of a question of perception. Meaning, Sticks’ perception was that he really didn’t get a fair shot at the #1 spot. Doesn’t mean it is true, but also doesn’t mean he is being dishonest. It’s just his perception of the events.
Sometimes you can draw a line and it is black and white where the truth is concerned. But sometimes it is just that persons perception of how everything went down.
IMWTx
by imisswesttexas on Feb 9, 2010 8:33 AM CST up reply actions
This is an answer that makes senses and the one that I was going to write.
It is also why any HC wants not to have reporter access to his players.
I am disappointed in Sheffield for making these remarks publicly, what happened to ‘what happens in the locker room, stays in the locker room’ kind of team player mentality?
This information does not help the team, nor will it help the players. He probably is not doing anything other than answering a question….but it can lead to a bunch of distraction. You know, like is he campaingning for the job in the media, is he bitter, is he making some kind of statement about dissention in the locker room, did ML lose control of his players, Is this the kind of leadership that is needed at the team level…all that kind of stuff.
Sometimes a river boat can out run a pirate ship.
I agree TallMike
And I think Coach T will put a stop to this, quickly! You certainly can’t be happy about this if you’re Potts. I would take that as Sticks saying he is better than me and I didn’t earn the job (if I’m Potts).
These kids are still young and will fall in to these traps given the oppty. It’s similar to the star high school kid being recruited and saying “I’m coming in there to take us all the way to a National Championship”. Man I freaking hate that. Always makes me wonder if the kid really thinks he is that much better than everyone already on the team. Just a short sighted thing to say
IMWTx
by imisswesttexas on Feb 10, 2010 9:33 AM CST up reply actions
Every kid who doesn't start or who doesn't get to touch the ball enough thinks
they didn’t get a fair chance. HOWEVER, in Sticks’ case, his subsequent performance would seem to indicate he had a righteous beef with the situation. I still think the classy thing to do is keep it all in-house, I still think SS is classy anyway.
I’m not sure what ML was thinking, but after GH’s snub by the NFL, I’ll tell you what I was praying for; Here we finally have a stud that will be taken in the first round that we can point to when recruiting. Looking back though, I’m ok with having a “college” QB who can do what you need him to do for OUR system, and I feel, that if SS is durable enough, he ads a new demension to the O. I’ll be happy with whomever Brown and Tuberville choose.
Give 'Em Hell Tech!!!!!
+ a bushel of apples
"Well, outside of Lubbock, expectations aren't very high. But it's okay, we play in Lubbock a lot this season"
-Mike Leach
by San Antonio Red Raider on Feb 9, 2010 11:11 AM CST up reply actions
+ a pack of Tortillas with the centers torn out.
Except, I won’t be happy with who they pick if he sucks.
"We have a running game at Tech......sometimes we throw short passes." -Mike Leach
+ a pack of Tortillas with the edges torn off.
Won’t be happy if he sucks !!
That is funny !!!
Sometimes a river boat can out run a pirate ship.
I finally have some semblance of a positive...
In the cluster#€£# that has been the last 2 months. Mike stubborness is what makes him great, but it helped lead to his demise.
Sticks has the potential to do what KK did…provide a steady transition for a new coach.
KK and SS…
" I crammed 4 years of Tech into 5"- me
by oldschoolraider on Feb 8, 2010 8:30 PM CST via mobile reply actions
Tension between SS & Potts?
My only concern with the QB battle next year is that is appears Sticks and Potts went out of their way to avoid each other on the sidelines and after the games. I understand how competitive they can be but there did not appear to be much support for one another. A divide in the offense will not be good as it will affect production and chemistry.
Was it just me that felt this? Does anyone have any insight on the relationship between the two? Like are they roomies? (doubt it)
I remember whenever he webt in the game to replace potts
the entire offensive just got pumped up, high fives everything…i know this happened at osu and alamo bowlm, i dont remember if it hapened before
Tension or Competitiveness
Potts was clearly unhappy when Sticks went in for him in bowl game, but the camera caught him cheering when Sticks took them to the score. I was waiting to see his reaction.
I think that he is a team player. That doesn’t mean you have to like it when you get pulled. I would rather he didn’t just put his head down and slink off to the back bench or go pound it into pieces.
What makes football superior to baseball that way? Starting pitchers get pulled for relievers almost every game, but they go back and get ready to play again when called. Football just doesn’t have so much rotation.
If it's difficult in college think of the pros
this is why it will be hard for harrell to get a shot in the NFL.
If a scholarship can influence a decision, what about a “walk-on” trying to beat out multimillion dollar draft pick.
That depends on how stupid the owner is
Jerry Jones insists that Roy Williams start at WR when he is probably the 5th or 6th best WR on the roster. Why would Jerry hurt his team like that, cut off his nose to spite his face? Because he’s trying hard to not admit that he overpaid for Roy Williams.
Please stop ending every controversial comment with 'Just saying'. Drives me batty. Thank you.
Talk about stupid owners....
Al Davis has been doing this for years !!!! Firing coaches and still trying to pick the teams QB.
"I thought happiness was Lubbock, Texas in my rearview mirror" Mac Davis
I actually saw Steven Sheffield the other day and told him that he did a great job last year. I wished him luck and told him I looked forward to seeing him play next year and to keep it up.
I wonder if his increasing vocalness is not only because of Leach leaving but also because of the students like I saying such things to him.
In any case, the Spring Game should be fun, and I’m looking forward to next season!
Potts looked pretty good against OSU in 2008. Not really sure what Leach saw in Potts to keep him ahead of Sheffield except that when you are in practice and not worried about getting hit you play with a little more confidence. Maybe Potts plays differently in practice. Maybe Leach was fascinated with the mustache. I know we all were. Just thinking about it takes me back to a simpler time when…
To get back on track, we have talked about how other qb’s started off slow and got better as they went into conference play. What would have happened had the ut game not been moved up? Would Potts have gotten in the groove? Would Tech have beaten Houston and gone into conference play undefeated? Would Potts have built confidence and poise in every game rather than having to pick his head up off the grass at DKR? How much did that affect his play for the rest of the season? What would have happened if Sticks would have taken that hit? Sticks had already advanced from scout team to scholarship player so it wasn’t like the program was in danger of losing a scholarship.
All to say I don’t know, but I really wish Sheffield would shut up. His excess talk is wearing thin. I liked him better when he was a hard working underdog. If it weren’t for Leach he would finishing up his last year at Sam Houston. Be happy you have the chance to be where you are and quit throwing the guy that brought you there under the bus Shut your mouth and go work your tail off.
Amen.
I am a Sheffield fan and would prefer him over Potts, but not if he keeps talking. He needs to work on a few of his own weaknesses and hopefully he will win the job. I, for one, don’t think we can overcome one “pick 6” every game.
Let your performance do the talking Sticks.
"Well, outside of Lubbock, expectations aren't very high. But it's okay, we play in Lubbock a lot this season"
-Mike Leach
by San Antonio Red Raider on Feb 9, 2010 7:24 AM CST up reply actions
Don't you mean....
not if he keeps talking negatively about Leach? We sure change our stripes around here quickly. We all want answers and insight into what exactly what happened last year so we can make some sense of what went wrong. That is of course unless we don’t like the answers.
"We have a running game at Tech......sometimes we throw short passes." -Mike Leach
You sure like using that stick, don't you?
Poke…Poke…Poke…
"Well, outside of Lubbock, expectations aren't very high. But it's okay, we play in Lubbock a lot this season"
-Mike Leach
by San Antonio Red Raider on Feb 9, 2010 7:46 AM CST up reply actions
LOL, wellllll I told you I'm a Marine...
I do like to fight, or at the very least, stir the pot. But in this case, I went through a progression. Appalled, Angry, bought a Team Leach shirt, joined the FB group, got more information, got confused, got more information, got more confused, got more information, and began to see that I may have been wrong in my blind loyalty. I just don’t see how others can see the same info and refused to at least admit the picture we had of our team and coach was not exactly accurate. As I posted previously, for me, this has nothing to do with AJ, CJ, and the stooges. Those people are criminals, and that was a shame. But what there nonsense did uncover was a much more troubling issue. That coach, to whatever degree, lost the respect of his team, or some significant parts of it.
I was one of the first to point out that the players speaking out against the coach were trouble makers. But then I waited, and no current players spoke out in favor of the coach, that didn’t sit well with me. Then Batch speaks out. Now a player like Sticks, a un-deniable team leader, fan and team favorite, and possible MVP candidate speaks. And what do we do, we say “shut up”. What happened to wanting answers, what happened to wanting the truth. Of all the players on that team, if we don’t trust Sticks and Batch, who do we trust?
"We have a running game at Tech......sometimes we throw short passes." -Mike Leach
I just don't think it's all tied together with a pretty bow
1. Leach picks Potts to the dismay of the team.
2. Leach has faith that his All-American B. Carter and mates can block a bad DL well enough to get 1 foot in Houston. The play is stopped short and the All-American smashes his helmet cuz he’s mad at the coach.
3.Potts gets knocked out with a pretty bad concussion and the team (and fan) favorite Sticks comes in and saves the season.
4. Sticks gets hurt and all is lost.
5. Leach says “fat lil’ girlfriends” and the world stops.
6. Nick beats OU.
7. Adam goes in the shed and all the team is dismayed.
8. Leach cusses out Hance.
9. Leach is fired because of 1-8
I just don’t think its all tied together. BTW- what will we talk about if Potts wins the job this year?
"Well, outside of Lubbock, expectations aren't very high. But it's okay, we play in Lubbock a lot this season"
-Mike Leach
by San Antonio Red Raider on Feb 9, 2010 8:31 AM CST up reply actions
what will we talk about if Potts wins the job this year?
his technique ?
Sometimes a river boat can out run a pirate ship.
yep.
"Well, outside of Lubbock, expectations aren't very high. But it's okay, we play in Lubbock a lot this season"
-Mike Leach
by San Antonio Red Raider on Feb 9, 2010 9:08 AM CST up reply actions
East Carolina Pirates
Go Ruff. One season of suffering under the Potts regime is enough for me.
Please stop ending every controversial comment with 'Just saying'. Drives me batty. Thank you.
Personally, I hope Karam beats them both.
We have a better chance at Game Day features if we have a QB that plays piano.
"Well, outside of Lubbock, expectations aren't very high. But it's okay, we play in Lubbock a lot this season"
-Mike Leach
by San Antonio Red Raider on Feb 9, 2010 9:26 AM CST up reply actions
or can throw a football into a boat
"We have a running game at Tech......sometimes we throw short passes." -Mike Leach
Ha!
Quick, somebody get a piano, a boat, and Karam out to Buffalo with a film crew. Take some video of him playing piano on the boat and throwing footballs at ducks. We’ll have Sportscenter locked down for the 2010 season.
"Well, outside of Lubbock, expectations aren't very high. But it's okay, we play in Lubbock a lot this season"
-Mike Leach
by San Antonio Red Raider on Feb 9, 2010 10:00 AM CST up reply actions
screw the piano…we just need a qb with a fishing buddy/roomate/childhood friend. Wouldn’t that be awesome?? You’re probably thinking I’m crazy for thinking that would make Sportscenter, but i have a hunch it would…
Why the hell would Sportscenter think that kinda crap is worth their time to cover?
by Damien Franco on Feb 9, 2010 11:13 PM CST up reply actions
You’re right. Don’t kjnow what i was thinking. There is no way they would ever waste time covering something stupid like that.
Unless…what if their dads were also friends?? and to top it off, what if our qb was born in another state, but had a bowl of texas dirt under his bed or some corny crap like that. Wouldn’t that be just splendid??
what will we talk about if Potts wins the job this year?
He throws off his back foot?
The Lyle Leong Bandwagon will Continue to Roll!!!
Respect Everyone....Fear No One!
Wreck 'em, Tech!
by Tortilla Pirate on Feb 9, 2010 12:46 PM CST up reply actions
+ 3 rabbit skins
"Well, outside of Lubbock, expectations aren't very high. But it's okay, we play in Lubbock a lot this season"
-Mike Leach
by San Antonio Red Raider on Feb 9, 2010 1:10 PM CST up reply actions
Are we playing Oregon Trail now?
"We have a running game at Tech......sometimes we throw short passes." -Mike Leach
Stream of consciousness
in my barter/trade recs. Makes it more fun and I prefer fun over not-fun.
"Well, outside of Lubbock, expectations aren't very high. But it's okay, we play in Lubbock a lot this season"
-Mike Leach
by San Antonio Red Raider on Feb 9, 2010 1:18 PM CST up reply actions
Call me when you get to scalps
"I’ve established a reputation for integrity. I have maintained those high standards" - Craig James
pesky white devils
"I’ve established a reputation for integrity. I have maintained those high standards" - Craig James
I think we wanted answers
about what Leach did wrong, not about how well his players liked him.
We were promised by the administration and a number of players on the team that we didn’t know what the problem was and that WE should just shut up, and that the information that would assuage our worst fears was forthcoming. And then it wasn’t. And it still isn’t. And we’re still waiting.
You don’t hide the smoking gun(s).
It’s not a function of “trust” being placed in players. I trust Sticks and Batch (whatever that means — am I saying they can bang my cousin? I trust them to play football well) I guess. But that the loser of a quarterback battle who, per many, was outplaying the winner does not think he got a fair shake is hardly a surprise. All of us screaming for Sticks to start were saying the same thing; how can a guy so productive be replaced by Potts, who is just ok?
The bigger question is: What does that have to do with the other stuff? This has nothing to do with AJ, CJ, etc. just like you said. This is completely unrelated to Leach’s firing. This doesn’t reflect a lack of control over the team. This is by far the least troubling issue that’s come to light, if it is even an “issue.” Did we even need Sticks to tell us that he wasn’t getting a fair shake?
And it still isn’t. And we’re still waiting.
Or did it come and was not believed ?
Sometimes a river boat can out run a pirate ship.
+1
I think it’s silly we are debating whether Sticks SHOULD say something, right now, I am more interested in WHAT HE SAID. Stciks DIDNT say he didn’t like Leach, he said he wasn’t given a shot to start.
For months we asked the question why is Potts the guy. Now we have an answer. it may or may not be the right answer, but we got one from someone who should know….but instead of proccessing it, we dismiss it and say he should shut and play football. Newsflash, if you played for a coach who didn’t just shut up and coach, you generally do not get players who just shut up and play.
The inconsistencies and crawfishing here is staggering. Not singling you out SP, but throughout the fan base.
"We have a running game at Tech......sometimes we throw short passes." -Mike Leach
Of course you aren’t singling me out, because you haven’t identified anything I’ve done. Where did I say Sheffield should shut up? I’m not “debating whether Sticks should say” anything. You are.
I say let him talk, why would I not want to hear what our players have to say?
you didn't say those things....
which is why I said I wasn’t singling you out? I’m confused?
"We have a running game at Tech......sometimes we throw short passes." -Mike Leach
Yep, and I'm the one taking this too far, and refusing to let stuff roll of my back.
Seth, I have seen you rightfully police those who cross the line. Is DTN now ok with posts like this using language liek “racist”? Not to mention from someone you have listed as a contributing author for a site that we hold up as above personal attacks? This was over the line, and unneccesary.
"We have a running game at Tech......sometimes we throw short passes." -Mike Leach
I'm currently in a crunch for time during my lunch hour,
but perhaps the two of you could figure things out. I haven’t had time to read all of the comments on this post so I’m a bit behind. Bottom line: you shouldn’t have speculated that lots of users on DTN are inconsistent and crawfishing, but then specifically mentioning SP by name and he shouldn’t have speculated that lots of users on DTN are racists, but then mentioning you by name.
I don’t know how else to treat everyone fairly here and perhaps the best solution would be for the two of you to “internet handshake” this out and move on.
I appreciate the good banter going back and forth, but there’s no need to call me out to publicly respond within a good 15 minutes of SP’s comment. I rarely check the website during the day (pesky day job).
Go Raiders . . .
Double-T Nation
I didn't intend for you to feel "called out"...
or for you to feel you had to respond to my question in any time frame, but just ask that it be addressed. And just because I waste time on DTN when I should be making sure my clients are jumping of the cliff doesn’t mean I think you should, so feel free to never dedicate “store hour” responses to my posts.
I do not believe the words racist and inconsistent should be treated the same in this context, but I also don’t see what can be gained from arguing. Thanks for your time, and SP consider your hand shaked.
"We have a running game at Tech......sometimes we throw short passes." -Mike Leach
shook.....not shaked.....wow
"We have a running game at Tech......sometimes we throw short passes." -Mike Leach
Who said anything
about wasting time on DTN or never dedicating store hours to responses to your post? I’m not sure how to read this, and there’s not need to give an explanation, but I was just trying to let you know that it seemed that you wanted this addressed, which I would have anyway, and typically I’m never around during the day. I wasn’t trying to make a commentary on how you handle your job.
Go Raiders . . .
Double-T Nation
I will respond,cuz much is lost in translation...
it was a failed attempt at humor, and my opinion that I spend too much time on here during work hours, but can’t help it. Nothing but love here Seth, and nothing to read into. Congrats again on the adopted young one.
"We have a running game at Tech......sometimes we throw short passes." -Mike Leach
That was kinda funny
but I have to warn you Skin Patrol…a lot of people on this website don’t get humor (BTW – I’m not singling out TTUMAR).
by Damien Franco on Feb 9, 2010 5:05 PM CST up reply actions
I doesn't matter.....
per SARR, I going to make a legit effort to avoid picking on Mike in the hopes that we can get back to football and the coaches still with us.
"We have a running game at Tech......sometimes we throw short passes." -Mike Leach
Don't worry about me
Pick on him all you want. I like the action. Just know that every opinion I have is not based on Mike Leach.
"Well, outside of Lubbock, expectations aren't very high. But it's okay, we play in Lubbock a lot this season"
-Mike Leach
by San Antonio Red Raider on Feb 9, 2010 11:24 AM CST up reply actions
Leach is a genius
But my sizeable gut can’t reconcile Sticks vastly ouyplaying Potts and still not being considerred the starter. My hypothesis is that mike didn’t like admitting picking the wrong horse after 10 years and we can agree he is a stubborn genius.
I don’t mind SS speaking out, if a pattern forms, I will re-evaluate.
" I crammed 4 years of Tech into 5"- me
by oldschoolraider on Feb 10, 2010 7:46 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
You are just trying to start an argument.
I don’t agree with throwing anyone under the bus. Especially when thay are not able to defend themselves. Leach brought Sheffield to Tech and gave him a scholarship. I have no idea why Leach chose Potts over Sheffield, but he did, and it is stupid to think any coach would start the lesser of two quarterbacks. That being said, it does happen. I have seen it in my playing and coaching that a players abilities are not truly seen until they are forced into action. I liked Sheffield for his playing. Running his mouth off really takes away from what he has accomplished on the field. (See Terrell Owens, Chad Johnson)
R75, I don't want to fight with you....
I want to have a healthy debate, that doesn’t include personal attacks, and together try to find the truth. but if we just want to believe what we want to believe, and not respond when our beliefs appear to be wrong, why even have DTN?
"We have a running game at Tech......sometimes we throw short passes." -Mike Leach
Running his mouth?
I generally agree about mouthy players. But did I miss a tell-all press conference in the Sunday paper or something? I remember two statements by Sticks roughly 5 months apart. Both were in response to questions by sportswriters and this last one is a history question. It’s not like he’s going around blabbing to anyone who will listen. I’d hardly say that puts him on the T.O. category. What’s the real reason you keep wanting to throw him under the trash truck?
"I’ve established a reputation for integrity. I have maintained those high standards" - Craig James
Boy, That escalated quickly!
I just thought it was petty. I could make a list of all the petty things I have done in my life. It wouldn’t fit on here though. Luckily no reporters ever gave a crap about what I said or did.
A Similar Situation...
Happened to me in high school, we had the QB that the coach felt was the number 1 that literally threw more picks than completions, then we had the backup that everyone loved and was the most productive sitting the bench. Its amazing the spark that some qbs bring to the team… especially the o-line. I know as linemen you always knew which qb out there had your back and was good to ya, and then the guy that comes back to the huddle, bitching and moaning while criticizing the job your doin.
Now im not exactly sure that this was the case here, but with how the team reacted to Sticks brought flashbacks my way. Alls I know is that the team never got as vocal for Potts as they did for Sticks. It seemed like the team desperately wanted him in there.
Rambling Thoughts
I don’t think Leach made the decision because of the walk on issue. Potts had to have shown something in the film study and workouts in the prior three years to impress. Also, when stud Robert Johnson came in as a QB, Cumbie who was originally a walk on beat him out in Spring Practice. Johnson never did QB because Leach did not like his attitude. I think part of Potts problem may have been the fact he never really had to compete for the #1 job. Leach handed him the starting job the day they returned from the Cotton Bowl. Even Harrell had to compete, and was criticized for lack of perfomance in practice into his senior year. If Potts is starter next year, it will be because he wins it now, and he may be better for it. If Sheffield or Karam are the starters next year, they will be better for it. And, the team will be better for it, which means more effeciency on offense and wins for Tech. So, no matter who is the starter, Go Tech. Wreck Em!!!!
+1
and it really won’t matter who gets the starting job. (1) best gets the job (2) how hard is it to hand off.
"There's going to be ups and downs but you have to enjoy the battle." Mike Leach
I have to save that website.
" Answers -- Become Resources."
Without Questions; There are limited Resources...
Where did even find that?
"We have a running game at Tech......sometimes we throw short passes." -Mike Leach
He's going to talk himself into a corner.
If he doesn’t win the job now, what’s he going to say?
A lot of us didn’t see how Potts could get back on the field given how much better Sticks was performing, but this helps to explain why. Leach might have married himself to Potts.
I do not think Potts is going to like this implication at all. Isn’t he also saying: Potts didn’t win a fair quarterback competition?
Yep, he is.
But I think he already said that after the NM game when he said “he had done enough to win the job”. None of this is new, and many speculated as much on this site for months. How could Leach start Potts, what happened in the spring? We speculated that perhaps Potts wasn’t rushed in practice, and that led to the anomaly. Now we get Stick’s version of the truth. That he simply was never given a shot.
"We have a running game at Tech......sometimes we throw short passes." -Mike Leach
note key word : version
"There's going to be ups and downs but you have to enjoy the battle." Mike Leach
I wrote it....proof I'm trying to be objective.
but if we don’t trust this kids, who do we trust?
"We have a running game at Tech......sometimes we throw short passes." -Mike Leach
Well the choice is probably between distrusting kid A or kid B
Do you think Taylor Potts is going to announce this week that he did not win a fair competition for the starting job? Assuming that’s what is in his mind (does anyone doubt he would dispute Stick’s account?) some “kid” is not to be trusted, right?
Personally I think Sticks is on the right side of this argument because, from what I saw, he earned the starting job during the season. I don’t know if that means he didn’t get a fair shot last spring, but I am confident he didn’t get a fair shot last season.
But if Leach duped Sticks he duped all of us as well. 44% of DTN readers were calling Potts the MVP after the Red and Black game, and Sheffield was announced as “marginally effective.” I am not calling Sheffield a liar, but we should be careful to place too much emphasis on the diagnosis of the guy who lost the starting job. I’d expect him to feel cheated even if he got a fair shake, because winners expect to play and Sheffield is a winner.
I didn't go to the R&B Game in 2009,
But many DTN posters here testfied to seeing Sticks outplay Potts. Of course I have no clue.
"We have a running game at Tech......sometimes we throw short passes." -Mike Leach
I would like to thank my God....
and my parents, who always believed in me. And DTN for the great material…….really, I didn’t have anything prepared,I’m so embbarassed.
"We have a running game at Tech......sometimes we throw short passes." -Mike Leach
Oh wait...you didn't reallymean congratulations did you?
"We have a running game at Tech......sometimes we throw short passes." -Mike Leach
Potts also named MVP of the Alamo Bowl...
Perhaps it’s just not that cut and dry one way or the other…
I think the majority of us now think Sticks is clearly more effective…
But that’s largely based on his on-field leadership and the way the whole team responds to him… not necessarily just qb ability… (if there had been more game reps… how many more pick 6’s? would opposing defenses be able to better game plan for him?)
I just find it hard to believe that Leach went with Potts for any reason other than he thought it would be our best chance for success… Maybe he was willing to accept more growing pains than what any of us were because he thought it positioned them best for conference… or for next year…Maybe his expectations weren’t as high as ours… Who knows…? My only point is that he had a reason… and that reason was based on his judgement/experience and not anything personal against Sheffield…
So if the team decides they like Sheffield and don’t/won’t play as well behind Potts, what’s Leach to do about that? What’s the leadership on the team that allows that to happen? If that’s what happened, I’m as much disappointed in the team (player) leadership as I am with any of Leach’s decisions…in fact, more so…
by Houston Raider on Feb 9, 2010 10:07 AM CST up reply actions
+1
I agree with you 100%. We have answer. He didn’t have anything personal against Sticks, he thought, very early on, that Potts was the best QB.
And he was wrong. Leach made the wrong choice. As long as that is ok with everyone to hear, I’m with you.
"We have a running game at Tech......sometimes we throw short passes." -Mike Leach
we oughta fire the guy then.....
oh wait.
"There's going to be ups and downs but you have to enjoy the battle." Mike Leach
+ a bag of grain and 2 chickens
I prefer the barter system over recs and +1, +2, etc…
"Well, outside of Lubbock, expectations aren't very high. But it's okay, we play in Lubbock a lot this season"
-Mike Leach
by San Antonio Red Raider on Feb 9, 2010 10:17 AM CST up reply actions
We do have an answer.
ML is a great believer in reps, reps make the difference, give the reps to the guy who you want to improve, that is integral in his coaching system.
Add that thought to the tenacity he was able to employ in developing a young qb and it becomes a stronger thought. Harrell took three years to become the guy we remember as a senior. The first season was not all that good…and the second had its share of uh-ohs as well.
Fundamentally, ML, picked a guy and hung with him waiting for the reps to take effect as he matured mentally to the tough breaks on the field.
Sometimes a river boat can out run a pirate ship.
Sometimes the system doesn't work....
I think it’s safe to say that most of us have watched the recruitment of Scotty Young more than that of Potts. It will be interesting for all of us to watch what we perceive to be first rate HS skills translate into success here….or not.
"We have a running game at Tech......sometimes we throw short passes." -Mike Leach
Of course sometimes it does not work.
that does not change the answer.
Sometimes a river boat can out run a pirate ship.
Potts may have looked too far into his own hype.
All everyone was saying before the season is “Potts has size….Potts has that great arm.”
Fans and media alike. It just didn’t work out like we thought…and maybe not quite like he thought either.
Unless Potts is just crazy good in the spring I see no way Sheffield is not the starter.
Make Potts compete against a full speed rush in spring practice
Without any pressure, Potts may be the greatest QB since Joe Montana or Johnny Unitas. With pressure, he’s as effective as a bowl of Jello.
Please stop ending every controversial comment with 'Just saying'. Drives me batty. Thank you.
Very True
I talked to a receiver on the team and im not going to mention his name.
But he told me that In practice Potts was way better and very impressive, Pre-2009 season. That is why he got the starting position. But all season he never perfomed as well as he did in practice. I seems that sticks was the opposite, he was good in practice but performed incredible during games. Sticks can handle the game time pressure a little better and makes good decisions during games. Sticks is also good at reading the entire field to find the open receivers. while Potts seems to always look in one direction. I wonder how tubbs is going to evaluate their performance next season.
Some quarterbacks just perform better under pressure in an actual game.
Are any practices open to the public?
I know that is a stupid question, but would love to be able to drop by this spring and be a fly on the wall.
"We have a running game at Tech......sometimes we throw short passes." -Mike Leach
Show up & say you are Craig James
He said on the air during one of our mid-season games that he didn’t miss a single spring practice last year. I remember thinking at the time, “that’s a very strange thing, a guy with no connection to the program crashing every single practice to watch his pride and joy”. Maybe he had one of those ESPN Press Badges pinned to his hat.
Please stop ending every controversial comment with 'Just saying'. Drives me batty. Thank you.
You beat me to that.....I thought I smelled a CJ joke in there.
"We have a running game at Tech......sometimes we throw short passes." -Mike Leach
Cj is a joke and he does smell
"There's going to be ups and downs but you have to enjoy the battle." Mike Leach
Mike Leach said more than once post game that Potts just needed to play the way he practiced.
Sometimes a river boat can out run a pirate ship.
I've said before that I thought Potts finding success was good for the program.....
and when he was in, I thought we should support him. But if Sticks is named the starter, I would be lying if I said I wouldn’t feel like atleast one worry hadn’t been checked of my list.
"We have a running game at Tech......sometimes we throw short passes." -Mike Leach
Potts' success is good for the program
So is the next guy’s….the story is better with a guy like Potts who may have a better chance at the pros.
The Spring and Fall will determine the qb, I do not have a selection.
I am not that impressed with Potts’ progress last season and I want more than what I saw in Sheffield.
Sometimes a river boat can out run a pirate ship.
Consider this...
I’m not sure of the truth in all of this. But IF this is true, I gotta say Sticks’ performance is even that much more impressive.
What I mean by that is if you’re the #2 guy and you’re not getting the number of reps or the amount of work the #1 guy has in practice, it is on you to make sure you are prepared and ready when you have your shot.
It would be hard to argue that Sticks didn’t take full advantage of the playing time and was fully prepared when he got in the game.
So I have to applaud him for taking the responsibility to be ready to play and lead the offense if/when he had a chance. It is exactly what you would hope to see from the second team guy.
That said, I do wish he would just let his play in the spring speak for itself and move on.
IMWTx
good point
How much would Mack give to have had a back-up like Sheffield in the NC game? We were all taking bets on how late Gilbert had stayed out the night before. “Hi ladies, I play for QB for the Longhorns. No, my name isn’t Colt. Wanna buy me a drink anyway”?
Had to be out until at least 4am. Had to be.
"Well, outside of Lubbock, expectations aren't very high. But it's okay, we play in Lubbock a lot this season"
-Mike Leach
by San Antonio Red Raider on Feb 9, 2010 8:54 AM CST up reply actions
part of SS's ability to come into the game full speed
is the coaching technique that Leach employed – getting maximum reps by all QB’s in EVERY practice.
"There's going to be ups and downs but you have to enjoy the battle." Mike Leach
+ a 27' Color TV
"Well, outside of Lubbock, expectations aren't very high. But it's okay, we play in Lubbock a lot this season"
-Mike Leach
by San Antonio Red Raider on Feb 9, 2010 10:22 AM CST up reply actions
ahem, LED please
gotta keep up with the times
"There's going to be ups and downs but you have to enjoy the battle." Mike Leach
Yep, you thik your getting a "high five"...
but really SARR is just going through his garage and giving crap away that he doesn’t want anymore.
"We have a running game at Tech......sometimes we throw short passes." -Mike Leach
Only the best
All my barter recs are top shelf.
"Well, outside of Lubbock, expectations aren't very high. But it's okay, we play in Lubbock a lot this season"
-Mike Leach
by San Antonio Red Raider on Feb 9, 2010 1:39 PM CST up reply actions
I think this is not that big of Deal
We new Potts was the starter before spring practice started. The fight was over the back up. Sticks is not causing trouble, just saying the what happened last spring. Sticks was given a shot a backup and won, and I remember that was surprise, at least in the news reports I read. I did not go to the spring game, but I remember reading that Sticks did great in that game, and Potts so so. Either way, this to me, is not that big of deal and we will have an open contest in Spring. The choice will be made by Tuberville based on everything the coaches see, in practice and the film room. Wreck Em!!!!
I'm throwing this over to a FanPost in a bit....
Before you roll your eyes, I promise this will be my last FanPost on Leach. I can say now, if as a general rule you don’t like to challenge your beliefs or process information to form opinions, don’t bother reading.
"We have a running game at Tech......sometimes we throw short passes." -Mike Leach
Can't you just move on?
Seems that the folks that want to move on (Rah Rahs) are the ones that keep digging up Leach conversations. I’d rather talk about who would be a better fit (mobile QB or strong arm) in a Catfish Jesus offense. It’s getting tough to think of anything else to say about Mikey.
Of course, I say move on lovingly…
"Well, outside of Lubbock, expectations aren't very high. But it's okay, we play in Lubbock a lot this season"
-Mike Leach
by San Antonio Red Raider on Feb 9, 2010 10:14 AM CST up reply actions
Wait, I thought we couldn't say move on?
I jest I jest. SARR, in all seriousness, as a Rah Rah, I can say with a clean heart I can avoid picking on Mikey if every post about recruiting or Tubs or football doesn’t include a thread about what a saint Leach was. Go back and look at the recruiting week threads. Over and over, anytime someone compemented Tubs, there was a doom and gloom poster proclaiming that if Tubs does well it’s with thanx to Leach. If Tubs does poorly, he screwed up what Leach had going. “If Tubs loses next year, I told you so.” “If Tubs wins, he won woth leach’s team.”
Go read those posts, and then come and tell me the Rah Rahs are the ones stoking the flames.
"We have a running game at Tech......sometimes we throw short passes." -Mike Leach
The key is to not get so easily offended by the opinions of others
It’s a Texas Tech blog and any and every opinion concerning the doings of the Texas Tech football team will be posted here. And no amount of protesting on your part will stem the flood of posts by people who see things differently than you. Take a Wellbutrin & let the posts you don’t like roll off your back. You will live a lot longer & kick far fewer dogs in your path.
Please stop ending every controversial comment with 'Just saying'. Drives me batty. Thank you.
Nothing you or TCL says "offends me"...
You might recall that it was my Rah Rah FanPost that received not one but two FanPosts just to respond. Given that factm are you sure I am the one who needs to let posts slide of mu back?
"We have a running game at Tech......sometimes we throw short passes." -Mike Leach
Sorry Brown, I can't type...let the typos slide.
"We have a running game at Tech......sometimes we throw short passes." -Mike Leach
I blame the lack of an edit button
I’m a much better speller than I am a typist. But once you hit “Send” on here you are SOL.
Please stop ending every controversial comment with 'Just saying'. Drives me batty. Thank you.
I suck at both.....
so I need the same edit and ABC feature we have for FanPosts.
"We have a running game at Tech......sometimes we throw short passes." -Mike Leach
I agree
Team Chicken Little (I’m a member) has stoked the flames since the beginning. But I see that starting to fade as we, in our own time, are joining in on discussions about starting QBs, or recruiting, or getting excited about our new defense, or basketball, etc. The headlines over the past few days though have been “Sticks Says Leach Screwed Him” and “Village Idiot Gone- Recruiting Round-Up Breaks All Records.” It all must be true because we read it on the internet. We keep connecting dots that may not be there, and tying everything bad that ever happened in Lubbock to Leach’s firing. The dude was fired because he cussed out his boss. No other dots to connect.
Team Chicken Little is going to be at a serious disadvantage going forward because we won’t be able to question anything without it coming back to Leach. Maybe I still have questions about Catfish Jesus, but it has absolutely nothing to do with Leach. If I say Sheffield needs to earn a starting job this spring, it’s not because I wrote something nice about Leach. If I wreck my truck, it’s not because I was humming an Ode To My Cap’n. If I say Sheffield should shut up, it’s because the kid shouldn’t talk with his mouth full and we all know he needs to eat. A lot.
The consensus on DTN seems to be turning from “we had a great 10 years” to “Tech can finally become elite now that they rid themselves of Leach.” Personally, my defense of Leach does not mean I’m hoping for doom & gloom. And it doesn’t disqualify me from questioning play calling, personnell decisions, or $7.50 beers.
"Well, outside of Lubbock, expectations aren't very high. But it's okay, we play in Lubbock a lot this season"
-Mike Leach
by San Antonio Red Raider on Feb 9, 2010 10:54 AM CST up reply actions
I think we are making progress here.....
So if the Rah Rahs or Team Chicken Little hijack an un-related post with Leach talk, you are ready to flame them back to where they belong?
"We have a running game at Tech......sometimes we throw short passes." -Mike Leach
it depends
on what they say about Leach :)
"Well, outside of Lubbock, expectations aren't very high. But it's okay, we play in Lubbock a lot this season"
-Mike Leach
by San Antonio Red Raider on Feb 9, 2010 11:08 AM CST up reply actions
Don't worry...I know it does. =)
"We have a running game at Tech......sometimes we throw short passes." -Mike Leach
One either flames or lets it roll off one's back...
people will change at their own rate.
I believe that the flaming slows the change…and adds to side bars from what could have been a great discussion.
Sometimes a river boat can out run a pirate ship.
Now TallMike....
I know you to be wise. You know damn well there are times for the carrot and times for the stick. But as I conceded to SARR, and SP, I am committed to leaning more towards the carrot going forward.
"We have a running game at Tech......sometimes we throw short passes." -Mike Leach
What we need is a Contract and Quiz for Rah Rahs and Doom & Glooms
Otherwise this never ends. If Tech struggles the D&Gs will lambast Tubs and put Leach in stained glass mural somewhere. If Tech wins the D&Gs will give all the credit to Leach, and the Rah Rahs will come as close to starting a DTN riot with all of their “I Told You So’s”.
We need an accord, a magna carta, to head this crap off, and get back to football.
"We have a running game at Tech......sometimes we throw short passes." -Mike Leach
and get back to Tech girls soccer.....we have a great squad.
"We have a running game at Tech......sometimes we throw short passes." -Mike Leach
Good discussion,
I am certain that the all knowing Catfish Jesus will make the “correct” decision and we will all frolick on our way to the BCS.
"There's going to be ups and downs but you have to enjoy the battle." Mike Leach
I smell a Super Bowl berth for Texas Tech in 2011
Color me giddy.
Please stop ending every controversial comment with 'Just saying'. Drives me batty. Thank you.
+ 2 cans of beans
"Well, outside of Lubbock, expectations aren't very high. But it's okay, we play in Lubbock a lot this season"
-Mike Leach
by San Antonio Red Raider on Feb 9, 2010 10:18 AM CST up reply actions
Sticks is right
He is absolutely right that he wasn’t given a shot. This was the earliest that Leach had ever announced a starter. For the life of me, I can’t figure why…fact is, Potts is not that good. I know Leach respected Taylor’s heart and fight (which he had to have as he played so bad at times that everyone hated him) but how about Sticks heart and fight in stickin (pardon the pun) through the walk-on days. (Those were rough days if you ever saw SS practice early on). This was Leach’s only real failing, IMO, his misguided confidence in Potts. At the same time, I don’t think Sticks was taking a shot at Leach. I think he respected Leach and was unhappy about how the coaching situation went down. Fact is, he’s been very evenhanded when talking about the changes, as opposed to Potts’ sucking ip with things like “I wish I could’ve played all fours under” Tubby. If he somehow gets to start next year, I’m officially going to the negative side of the wagon!
by PBK on Feb 9, 2010 11:40 AM CST via mobile reply actions
I support whoever is our next qb
It doesnt matter who’s back there taking snaps. Whether it be sticks,potts,doege,karam, whoever, i will support them because he walks onto that field every saturday wearing the scarlett and black. Did potts make some bonehead plays? Yes. Didnt Doege look like he wasa deer caught in headlights at Nebraska? Yes. Did sticks throw a pick 6 in Stillwater? Yes. (Say what you want about that, all our qb’s this season didnt have a good showing at one point or another.) I dont care who’s back there throwing the ball to lewis or checking into a run for batch. I will live and die with this team. The best qb will get the starting job, whether or not that person feels like he was slighted. We should be thankful that we have compentent backups. (i.e Texas NC game this year) Like i said, whether its 15,1,6 or 1465687959003 on their jersey come fall, i support them. Wreck’em.
a freakin men
if quaterbacks were perfect, Mack Brown would not have to clap.
All the QB;s we used last season had their ups and downs. Can’t fire ’em all. A coach has to go with what is right for the moment. Be it paractice performance, defensive skeem against, or maybe who will look better in the away jersey.
We should let last season be a lesson to us all about being behind whoever takes the snaps. And ATTENTION ALL – booing our own players is not the way to improve their play. Not saying anyone on here did that, but am damn certain someone was cause I heard it. I took that as booing me and was a bit outta sorts.
"There's going to be ups and downs but you have to enjoy the battle." Mike Leach
PS, I hope its Karam
"There's going to be ups and downs but you have to enjoy the battle." Mike Leach
+1 Saddle Tramp.....
in regards to the booing. We aren’t the only ones who did it last year, but then again we are better people than most, so we owe it to ourselves.
"We have a running game at Tech......sometimes we throw short passes." -Mike Leach
"WE" did not boo our own.......but then
I’m not a Rah Rah.
"There's going to be ups and downs but you have to enjoy the battle." Mike Leach
Oh, no booing committed here....
That was my 2 yr old sons first Tech game, and luckily he melted down in time for to have to leave the game, and miss the booing. Rah Rah connection?
"We have a running game at Tech......sometimes we throw short passes." -Mike Leach
Mack Brown has the clap???!!
Oh, my bad.
"I’ve established a reputation for integrity. I have maintained those high standards" - Craig James
In the end...
what ended up putting our program in such a precarious situation is the type of thing(s) that SHOULDNT have.
1. The head coach carried a grudge with the administration
2. The administration carried a grudge with the head coach
3. The head coach made a wrong choice at QB (I cant believe I actually said that)
4. The team resented the head coach’s choice and split the team
5. The Head Coach stubbornly rammed his choice of QB down the teams’ throat
6. The team rallied around the Head Coach’s choice of QB only when it was apparent that the 2nd QB wasn’t coming back
7. The head coach made (what I believe) to be a very calculated attempt to wrest control of the team back by discliplining a trouble making kid in THE most non-dangerous yet most publicly visible way possible
8. A parent went over the head coach’s head to the Administration in response to point #7.
9. A profanity laced shouting match between Admin & coach over points #7 & 8.
10. Administration ignores ALL protocol and fires head coach with NO due process and gives their School a black eye in an effort to save $600,000.00
Now. No matter which of the above statements you agree or disagree with, No ONE or combination of these points thereof should have ever been responsible for putting our program in the condition its in.
Have we made the best of it? Absolutely. Im a big supporter of Coach Tuberville. Like SARR said above, That has nothing to do with Leach.
The Lyle Leong Bandwagon will Continue to Roll!!!
Respect Everyone....Fear No One!
Wreck 'em, Tech!
Point #10
really I always intended to ask LondonRaider this question and always forgot. Any who, the school has a student handbook which lays out “due process” or lack there of, for faculty and students. Did Mike Leach’s contract supercede or subvert that process laid out in the handbook, thus making him elligible for rights not given other Tech faculty?
"We have a running game at Tech......sometimes we throw short passes." -Mike Leach
Point 2.5
administration had head up ass
"There's going to be ups and downs but you have to enjoy the battle." Mike Leach
My Point Being
that these collection of facts in no way should have singularly or come together in any sort of combination to “bring down” (and perhaps that is TOO strong a term but it works as hyperbole to drive my point home) a football program. The fact that it did makes me embarrassed.
The Lyle Leong Bandwagon will Continue to Roll!!!
Respect Everyone....Fear No One!
Wreck 'em, Tech!
by Tortilla Pirate on Feb 9, 2010 3:13 PM CST up reply actions
Question: If I become a Rah Rah,
will that make “doin’ the wave” stop? will it allow our corners to press? will it allow us to still spit on Hance every time I see him? will it allow alcohol sales in the Jones?
"There's going to be ups and downs but you have to enjoy the battle." Mike Leach
Waves=If you come over the the Rah Rah side, I’m sure we could work something out to limit waves to blowouts, the way it should be.
Corners pressing-I dont give a damn what side you’re on, our corners can press anytime they want to. Glad someone else wants it.
Spitting on Hance-Always and forever.
Alcohol-One can but dream. I dont think the DTN can affect Big 12 rules for you blackbeard. But oh the possibilities!
Finally, some sanity in this madhouse
Thanks RdrPwr – but I say eliminate all waves in the Jones – period
Thanks for the head nod on the corners……I mean really, just once lets prevent a 3rd and 3 pass by lining up closer than 10 yds off the ball (you listenin" Ruff)
And I just don’t think I should have to pony up a gazillion dollars for a suite just so I can have alcohol in the stadium. Rules? If those are Big XII rules we just might be breakin’ ’em in the high and mighty boxes. just saying. If Hance really loved us we could all throw back a few like HE and all the BIG BOOSTERS do.
"There's going to be ups and downs but you have to enjoy the battle." Mike Leach
Sanity, or same mental problems?
I remember in ‘07 the waves that were started only when we had a big lead, and only during timeouts and such. Those were fun, I realize you oldtimers get tired of getting up and down, but believe it or not, it has kind of became a part of the Tech Lore. Believe it or not I have heard several outsiders compliment the way we somehow get the wave to reverse, speed up, and slow down. And plus, it gives us a reason to boo at the opposing team’s fans :). Can we come to a settlement of some sort and have it spread around campus? The waves this year came at horrible times, and way too often. I will concede that.
I bet ya we walk up the corners on 3rd down now that we have a “real” d coordinator (no offense to Ruff though)
And I believe it is big XII rules. I know the SEC stadiums sell it in the stadiums (remember the referee getting hit with beer bottles a few years back?). I think alcohol is technically not allowed on a Big XII campus at all, but I guess its all about money and they give the big spenders a pass. Back when hockey played at CitiBank Coliseum, they sold beer there because it technically wasnt on campus.
Coliseum is owned by Lubbock County
"There's going to be ups and downs but you have to enjoy the battle." Mike Leach
that's my next post
What are the alcohol rules? I heard you can’t sell beer if the stadium is on campus but I bought a lot at the Houston game this year. They always sell it at the Cotton Bowl, but the concession stands I went to at Jerry World were not selling it. Then I would look up at the megatron and see all kinds of fans with beer in their hands. Bought it at the Alamo Bowl and drank it in the suites at Jones Stadium. (only been up there once and hated it. Too quiet). Anybody know the rules on this?
"Well, outside of Lubbock, expectations aren't very high. But it's okay, we play in Lubbock a lot this season"
-Mike Leach
by San Antonio Red Raider on Feb 9, 2010 4:06 PM CST up reply actions
So are the high and mighty breaking the rules......
surely not. I’m sure they are just misinformed or misspoke, jerks.
"There's going to be ups and downs but you have to enjoy the battle." Mike Leach
The bars were open in JerryWorld
and they were all packed. Baylor people too, which made me giggle a bit.
Please stop ending every controversial comment with 'Just saying'. Drives me batty. Thank you.
Yeah...
never knew a baptist school would have so many drinkers, or so many homosexual students for that matter. I guess money talks, and bullshit walks huh?
That sound was you crossing the line
Unless that was a comment about their diversity:)
Give 'Em Hell Tech!!!!!
Yeah... that was one of those
hit post, then 5 seconds later say “oops” out loud things. But yeah! Who woulda known that a Baptist school would be so diverse?!
I looked quickly thru the Big XII by-laws, but
did not see anything about alcohol sales (maybe thats why they are so….you get the idea). So, I thought, well then Tech has rules against alcohol sales on campus, but alas I have purchased strong drink in the Frazier. It can’t be on alcohol on campus, where would the tailgaters go? So, SARR, its up to you get the post up while I am mixing my pre-game OU cocktail.
"There's going to be ups and downs but you have to enjoy the battle." Mike Leach
I think it is more haves vs have nots
"There's going to be ups and downs but you have to enjoy the battle." Mike Leach
They are the bear in the woods (doing what bears do in the woods)
and we are the soft furry rabbit, happily hopping along until they need us…
It’s their world. We are just livin’ in it. Hoppin’ along, hoping they don’t need us.
"Well, outside of Lubbock, expectations aren't very high. But it's okay, we play in Lubbock a lot this season"
-Mike Leach
by San Antonio Red Raider on Feb 9, 2010 4:53 PM CST up reply actions
Yeah, I'll try and come up with something.
Might not be tonight, but we must demand answers. We will not be soft furry rabbits!
"Well, outside of Lubbock, expectations aren't very high. But it's okay, we play in Lubbock a lot this season"
-Mike Leach
by San Antonio Red Raider on Feb 9, 2010 5:10 PM CST up reply actions
hell yeah, if its the administration we are gonna ask, be
prepared to look like a dime store whore with that bunny around your neck.
"There's going to be ups and downs but you have to enjoy the battle." Mike Leach
I think it may be a rule that isnt followed too much where it isnt seen.
Keep in mind that at tailgates beer is supposed to be in cups (where it cant be seen)
beer is only rented
"There's going to be ups and downs but you have to enjoy the battle." Mike Leach
i'm just saying, if it is sold in part of the stadium, why
not in the rest of it? hmmmmmm? can you spell R E V E N U E?
and good times?
"There's going to be ups and downs but you have to enjoy the battle." Mike Leach
and then get some of them nasty dancin' girls like
at Jerry’s world.
"There's going to be ups and downs but you have to enjoy the battle." Mike Leach
+3 frozen turkeys
"Well, outside of Lubbock, expectations aren't very high. But it's okay, we play in Lubbock a lot this season"
-Mike Leach
by San Antonio Red Raider on Feb 9, 2010 5:11 PM CST up reply actions
Screw frozen turkeys,
If we get some of them scantily clad Red Raider girls dancing I may be frying a Turducken
careful, some of us got daughters out there
"There's going to be ups and downs but you have to enjoy the battle." Mike Leach
I didnt say who should do said dancing,
and if you catch me giving your daughter dollar bills for dancing I apologize in advance! How was I to know?!
I mean, what goes better with Catfish, than
Beer and Hushpuppies?
"There's going to be ups and downs but you have to enjoy the battle." Mike Leach
I said "better" not also.
"There's going to be ups and downs but you have to enjoy the battle." Mike Leach
and you wash that down with?
"There's going to be ups and downs but you have to enjoy the battle." Mike Leach
Beer its what America has for breakfast.
"There's going to be ups and downs but you have to enjoy the battle." Mike Leach
yeah, cause beer makes milk curdle.
"There's going to be ups and downs but you have to enjoy the battle." Mike Leach
milk is scared of beer
"Well, outside of Lubbock, expectations aren't very high. But it's okay, we play in Lubbock a lot this season"
-Mike Leach
by San Antonio Red Raider on Feb 9, 2010 6:15 PM CST up reply actions
Man!
I finally got to read most of the posts here. This subject really started a fire under DTN. Plus a lot of gibberish that doesn’t mean a thing except jiving banter among friends. Anyway, I would like to call a truce here. If I read everyone right, we all want the same thing: a season that land Texas Tech in a BCS Bowl, preferably the Championship. I could care less who is the QB, although I do have my preferences. Just WIN! The past is, well passed. We can’t do any more than has been done to help or hinder the situation. What we can do is get our s^%$ together and cheer on this year’s team. So, from you who are just freshmen and just now getting on board, to you who arrived with DeWitt Weaver, let us all get on the same ship….er….sit at the same poker table, and start thinking and conversing about all things Red Raiders in the NOW! WRECK ’EM!
TTpilk
Heard something funny today. Didn’t think it deserved a whole fan post though. Especially since I can’t reveal all names. A player at our high school had been comitted to SMU since last year. As signing day closed in he received a call from none other than our best friend Craig James telling him how excited they were for him to be coming to SMU. On signing day he signed with A&M… The kids mom went to Tech.
Wow...
Does SMU know that Craig James is calling peeps on their behalf?
by Damien Franco on Feb 9, 2010 8:38 PM CST up reply actions
I doubt
Very seriously that CJ has any idea how much we Tech fans despise his very presence. Whatever little bit of credibility he may have had before the past year has been lost forever with us and probably many other fans at other schools. His son may be allowed to compete by Tubs for a starting position but we fans have a pretty good notion as to how that will play out. If he would not work hard under Leach, the coach that GAVE him an opportunity, how will he do so under anyone else.
TTpilk
Which is why
I try not to look at people at the local clubs, afraid I’ll run into him. But then again… I dont go to Luxor so i guess its ok.
LOL, Luxor......well done
"We have a running game at Tech......sometimes we throw short passes." -Mike Leach
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