What is a championship?
by San Antonio Red Raider on Mar 3, 2010 10:44 AM CST
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"The first law in advertising is to avoid the concrete promise...and cultivate the delightfully vague" John Crosby
Tuberville told the luncheon crowd at the Memorial Civic Center that he didn’t come to Lubbock to win six or seven games a season.
"We know how to win championships," he said. "You can just imagine here the excitement when we do win … because we’re going to win a championship. We’re going to win maybe two, maybe three, maybe four. It just depends on what the good Lord wants us to have."
This is a rather bold statement. Personally, I love it. I respect people that lay it on the line. But is he being purposely vague? What kind of championships are we talking about? We don't have any National Championship trophies in our rich mahogany trophy case, but we don't have any Cotton Bowl championships or BCS wins either. Ten years from now, how will we define his success in keeping this promise?
The choice "all of the above" is too easy. I want to gauge how we plan to hold him to his word.
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with 3% of precincts reporting it looks like "Big 12 Championships"
will be the runaway winner.
"Well, outside of Lubbock, expectations aren't very high. But it's okay, we play in Lubbock a lot this season"
-Mike Leach
by San Antonio Red Raider on Mar 3, 2010 11:53 AM CST reply actions
With a Big 12 Title,
a BCS game will follow.
" Answers -- Become Resources."
Without Questions; There are limited Resources...
Big 12 Title for starters
We’ve sharred the South and a BCS game will come with a Big 12 title. So, for me, that’s where you have to start. Big 12 title(s) then lets work on that BCS.
by TheScarletandTheBlack on Mar 3, 2010 12:10 PM CST reply actions
I could care less about winning the south....
it’s time to play like a champion, I want the whole Big12 to burn!
"We have a running game at Tech......sometimes we throw short passes." -Mike Leach
by TTUMAR on Mar 3, 2010 12:29 PM CST reply actions 1 recs
And nothing with the word "Co" in front of it.....`
is a championship. Period.
"We have a running game at Tech......sometimes we throw short passes." -Mike Leach
So Oklahoma didn't win the South in 2008?
"Well, outside of Lubbock, expectations aren't very high. But it's okay, we play in Lubbock a lot this season"
-Mike Leach
by San Antonio Red Raider on Mar 3, 2010 12:34 PM CST up reply actions
Which means Missouri was the best team in the Big 12 in 2008
Being the only Big 12 non-Co-champion.
Please stop ending every controversial comment with 'Just saying'. Drives me batty. Thank you.
Lucy,,,,,,you got some splainin to do....
"There's going to be ups and downs but you have to enjoy the battle." Mike Leach
My point exactly....
where in my statement did I equate a co-championship with who is the best team. Wait a minute, mbrown do you work in Congress?
"We have a running game at Tech......sometimes we throw short passes." -Mike Leach
You said that a co-championship is no championship
The only Big 12 Team in 2008 to win an undisputed division title is Missouri. Texas, Oklahoma and Texas Tech being all co-titlists are inelligible for consideration. Leaving only Missouri as the sole undisputed Big 12 Division winner in 2008. Making them better than Texas, Texas Tech and Oklahoma. At least acording to the “no co-championship can ever be a championship” logic.
Now do you see? I’m disputing your logic that a co-championship is less than something to be proud of.
Please stop ending every controversial comment with 'Just saying'. Drives me batty. Thank you.
especially when that's alll you have.
"There's going to be ups and downs but you have to enjoy the battle." Mike Leach
Wrong again...
you are the only one extrapolating all this out, but then for some reason putting the words in my mouth. SARR asked in his post “how do we plan to hold Tubs to his word”. I simply stated IMO, co-championships would should not be considered. What that has to do with 2008, or Mizzou, I have no idea.
"We have a running game at Tech......sometimes we throw short passes." -Mike Leach
mbrown- give it a few weeks
and TTUMAR will agree with you. It just takes time.
TTUMAR you know I’m kidding. You’re my boy, Blue.
"Well, outside of Lubbock, expectations aren't very high. But it's okay, we play in Lubbock a lot this season"
-Mike Leach
by San Antonio Red Raider on Mar 3, 2010 1:29 PM CST up reply actions
I saw Tubs...and it was glorious!
"We have a running game at Tech......sometimes we throw short passes." -Mike Leach
Sand or foam or whatever!
"We have a running game at Tech......sometimes we throw short passes." -Mike Leach
According to the NCAA...
Yes OK did win. My point, not that you don’t know exactly what I was saying, is that Tub’s should not be let off the hook for any “championship” we have to share with someone else.
"We have a running game at Tech......sometimes we throw short passes." -Mike Leach
haha..........Catfish
being let off the hook……………just one of those days.
"There's going to be ups and downs but you have to enjoy the battle." Mike Leach
Agreed
It was nice to share the division title, but that is exactly what it states. The South is a “division title” and you don’t win the conference “championship” until you win the Big12 title game.
So (IMO) it doesn’t count unless you are the team who moves on and wins the Big12 championship game. Set aside all of the tie-break rules and all that other crap. Unless you play in the Big12 Title game, you are not the Big 12 champion. Regardless of what UT thinks…(see asterisk)
IMWTx
by imisswesttexas on Mar 3, 2010 1:07 PM CST up reply actions
The Catfish has no equal
"Well, outside of Lubbock, expectations aren't very high. But it's okay, we play in Lubbock a lot this season"
-Mike Leach
by San Antonio Red Raider on Mar 3, 2010 1:25 PM CST up reply actions
"The first law in advertising is to avoid the concrete promise...and cultivate the delightfully vague" John Crosby
“Roll it bigger and don’t bogart” – David Crosby
"There's going to be ups and downs but you have to enjoy the battle." Mike Leach
"$1 longnecks" - Ma Crosby
"There's going to be ups and downs but you have to enjoy the battle." Mike Leach
I'll be there a week from Saturday!
Viva la Mexico! Mainly, Ciudad Acuna!
" Answers -- Become Resources."
Without Questions; There are limited Resources...
Whoa......I grew up going to Juarez....
and even I am a little hesitant of Acuna. We always would keep a $5 in our left shoe so we didn’t end up in a tub of ice with our liver cut out. Oh yeah, have a good time.
" I crammed 4 years of Tech into 5"- me
by oldschoolraider on Mar 3, 2010 1:12 PM CST up reply actions
Inflation is a b****
I leave a $20 in my boot now.
" Answers -- Become Resources."
Without Questions; There are limited Resources...
"We'll follow the old man whereever he wants to go" - Bing Crosby (in White Christmas)
"There's going to be ups and downs but you have to enjoy the battle." Mike Leach
"When you become senile, you won't know it" - Bill Cosby
"I swear, I'm gonna stab you with a fork."
-Gerald Myers or Kent Hance
by San Antonio Red Raider on Mar 4, 2010 4:51 PM CST up reply actions
for the record, the Cotton Bowl (like Kmart)
sucks – Raymond
"There's going to be ups and downs but you have to enjoy the battle." Mike Leach
Yeah I found it strange that the Cotton Bowl was lumped with the BCS for this poll.
However, if Jerry has things his way, the Cotton Bowl might become a BCS game. At that point, they’d be giving out 12 invites to the BCS. This would make the BCS “just another” bowl…unless you make it to the big one.
by TheScarletandTheBlack on Mar 3, 2010 12:55 PM CST up reply actions
lumped them together because we have never won either.
So wanted to see if anyone thought TT fulfilled his promise with a couple of Cotton Bowls and maybe a BCS bowl win.
"Well, outside of Lubbock, expectations aren't very high. But it's okay, we play in Lubbock a lot this season"
-Mike Leach
by San Antonio Red Raider on Mar 3, 2010 1:23 PM CST up reply actions
You mean
Like Linda Lovelace, right?
TTpilk Psalm 117:
1 ¶ O praise the LORD, all ye nations: praise him, all ye people.
2 For his merciful kindness is great toward us: and the truth of the LORD endureth for ever. Praise ye the LORD.
Yes, but she was good at it!
Deepthroat – one of the many movies I discovered in college.
" Answers -- Become Resources."
Without Questions; There are limited Resources...
Historical side note
So I was thinking about SARR’s post. This is no effort to make excuses for coach T because he can speak for himself.
But consider the historical background on why coach Tubs might hesitate to declare a desire to win a Natl Championship. And not just simply b/c that is huge statement from any HC.
Recall that his undefeated Auburn team was locked out of the BCS title game. Nowadays it’s silly to think of an undefeated SEC team not making it to the BCS championship game. But it happened and could happen potentially with a Tx Tech Big12 champion (though unlikely).
So if you consider that angle, it makes sense not to speak of a BCS Natl Championship b/c it’s possible he feels in some small way that is out of his control. If true, I say he is right. It is somewhat out of his control and up to the voters and computers to decide.
IMWTx
good point
"Well, outside of Lubbock, expectations aren't very high. But it's okay, we play in Lubbock a lot this season"
-Mike Leach
by San Antonio Red Raider on Mar 3, 2010 1:14 PM CST up reply actions
by "unlikely" I mean a Big12 champ not included in Natl Championship
Did not mean “unlikely” that Tech would win the Big12. I fully expect that should be our goal EVERY year.
IMWTx
by imisswesttexas on Mar 3, 2010 1:15 PM CST up reply actions
I'd be perfectly happy with a Big 12 Championship
Just really tired of aggie friends and distant relatives pointing out Tech not having one in football. If we could just win one I think it would lead to more. I keep thinking of that ’08 game in Norman and it still hurts.
"You've got to find your inner pirate" - Mike Leach
Aggies! Geez
I hear you ‘92. Frankly, most of my Ag friends don’t say much anymore given the performance over the past 15 years or so. We’ve clearly passed them by and I hope we remain with Aggie in the rear-view mirror.
That said, just sit back and think about how much it would piss off Aggie nation if/when we win the Big12. I’m not sure what I would enjoy more: our team winning it or the irrational and insane response from Aggie fans. That would be fun as hell.
IMWTx
by imisswesttexas on Mar 3, 2010 4:32 PM CST up reply actions
BCS Championship
THAT is THE championship…all others tend to fall short of where he is insinuating he MAY lead us.
TTpilk Psalm 117:
1 ¶ O praise the LORD, all ye nations: praise him, all ye people.
2 For his merciful kindness is great toward us: and the truth of the LORD endureth for ever. Praise ye the LORD.
If he wins 3 or 4 BCS championships
I will put a marble statue of him in my bathroom. I don’t care what my wife says. I’m the boss.
"Well, outside of Lubbock, expectations aren't very high. But it's okay, we play in Lubbock a lot this season"
-Mike Leach
by San Antonio Red Raider on Mar 3, 2010 3:10 PM CST up reply actions
I said this before
In your dreams. We are never the boss.
"I find I'm so excited. I can barely sit still or hold a thought in my head. I think it's the excitment only a free man can feel, a free man at the start of a long journey whose conclusion is uncertain. I hope I can make it across the border. I hope to see my friend and shake his hand. I hope the Pacific is as blue as it has been in my dreams. I hope." Red-Shawshank Redemption
"I'm the boss"
True, as long as your just stating that on DTN, among friends, where no one can dispute your claim and just prior to sending a quick e-mail to your wife saying something along the lines of “if you read this I was just joking and carrying-on with the fellas”.
Otherwise, that statement is suspect.
But at least I believe the part about putting a marble statue of coach T in your bathroom.
IMWTx
by imisswesttexas on Mar 3, 2010 4:26 PM CST up reply actions
It's kinda like the deal that Russian dude that plays for the Jazz has with his wife.
Except our agreement is that for one day a year I get to be the boss. It will be on this day that I wheel a big ass marble statue of the Catfish and his glorious ears into my bathroom.
Carved from marble is key. If I get any push back I’ll just play the classy card. “What’s wrong honey? It’s marble. It’s classy.”
"Well, outside of Lubbock, expectations aren't very high. But it's okay, we play in Lubbock a lot this season"
-Mike Leach
by San Antonio Red Raider on Mar 3, 2010 4:43 PM CST up reply actions
Since I live in San Antonio
I want to be there that day. And I will sell tickets to raise money for the earthquake funds. Should be a real moneymaker.
"I find I'm so excited. I can barely sit still or hold a thought in my head. I think it's the excitment only a free man can feel, a free man at the start of a long journey whose conclusion is uncertain. I hope I can make it across the border. I hope to see my friend and shake his hand. I hope the Pacific is as blue as it has been in my dreams. I hope." Red-Shawshank Redemption
I'm in Round Rock
But I want to be there too. Count me in. I’ll bring some beer for the show.
IMWTx
by imisswesttexas on Mar 4, 2010 9:01 AM CST up reply actions
Your the man
"I find I'm so excited. I can barely sit still or hold a thought in my head. I think it's the excitment only a free man can feel, a free man at the start of a long journey whose conclusion is uncertain. I hope I can make it across the border. I hope to see my friend and shake his hand. I hope the Pacific is as blue as it has been in my dreams. I hope." Red-Shawshank Redemption
Big 12 title or bust
The marker has been placed. The team, school and Alums need an undisputed Big 12 Championship. The System will then determine what follows that event. Tubs is confident as he should be. The machine can driven to the winners circle. It needs a guiding hand and a little luck. Can’t wait to see how the Spring game plays out. The local or regional sports writers will undoubtedly predict another 7-5 Tech finish with a 2nd Tier bowl appearance. Let em. I like the confidence and appreciate the fact that the old regime trended upward and the new regime will continue to improve "the product". Smile all you nay sayers it’s going to b a great ride. Win the Big 12 baby, just win it.
"do routine things routinely"
Lets win our first solo conference championship first
before we start talking NC’s. I really want a solo divisional and conference title first. Win the big 12, and the bcs game will come.
We gon rock it to the wheels fall off
Expectations
I think the overall point of Catfish is that if we expect (demand) great things from the program, then we will get great things from the program. Two good examples of this are Alabama and atm. Saban walked into high standards made them higher and in two years has a NT. Aggies got dispondant and continued to fall.
Its the point all along that the program although built by Leach was way bigger than just one man. Tubbs says this over and over again that its our program. I also get the feeling that he expect SEC quality fandom from us and that scares me, you can actually make out the hottie tottie and war eagle chants when those guys cheer in unison our Raider Power is just two words and it needs lots of work.
If my calculations are correct
The winner of the big XII has a 33% – 50% chance on making the National championship. So, worry about our division, and the rest will fall into play. We are lucky as hell to be in a position to practically automatically make the national championship game, by winning our division and conference. since the north sucks, just winning our division is a championship, but doesnt “count” as one.
I still want that solo south title though...
…just gotta run through the gauntlet that is the big 12 south.
We gon rock it to the wheels fall off
by wrench_raider on Mar 3, 2010 3:35 PM CST up reply actions
Like the attitude
After giving some additional thought, coach T is exhibiting some of the very behavior many of us Tech fans enjoy.
Stating you plan to win multiple championships isn’t exactly your good-ol boy coach speak. There is a rebelious tone to that statement the won’t sit will with your typical aggie or horn fan.
Frankly, I love it. Screw ‘em if they don’t like it. This is our plan and our expectation.
IMWTx
Amen
If you don’t like TT that may be OK. At least he is going out on a limb. We haven’t won a Big 12 Championship yet and if he doesn’t in the first five years then even if is winning percentage is 8.5 games a year we replace him. But I like him and believe he can take us to the promise land. This time I will call him Catfish Jesus. Wreck Em!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
"I find I'm so excited. I can barely sit still or hold a thought in my head. I think it's the excitment only a free man can feel, a free man at the start of a long journey whose conclusion is uncertain. I hope I can make it across the border. I hope to see my friend and shake his hand. I hope the Pacific is as blue as it has been in my dreams. I hope." Red-Shawshank Redemption
You realize that if John F. Katfish wins us a B12 championship
Mike gundy will be forced to grow bigger ears.
"There's going to be ups and downs but you have to enjoy the battle." Mike Leach
Ears continue to grow...
even after age 40.
by TheScarletandTheBlack on Mar 4, 2010 4:04 PM CST up reply actions
But there is balance as you lose it in other areas...
Sometimes a river boat can out run a pirate ship.
T. Boone is working on the formula for the growth cream as we speak
"I swear, I'm gonna stab you with a fork."
-Gerald Myers or Kent Hance
by San Antonio Red Raider on Mar 4, 2010 4:15 PM CST up reply actions
did you like the proper use of
John Fitzgerald Katfish?
"There's going to be ups and downs but you have to enjoy the battle." Mike Leach
Yes
I think it fits nicely in our new era of decorum and properness ness.
"I swear, I'm gonna stab you with a fork."
-Gerald Myers or Kent Hance
by San Antonio Red Raider on Mar 4, 2010 5:37 PM CST up reply actions
thanks for your promptness in approval
ness
"There's going to be ups and downs but you have to enjoy the battle." Mike Leach
If i remember correctly he states how he won 3 national championships at Miami
then he states about winning championships…that means he’s reffering to national championships right?!? they were independent until 1990 and won the big east championship once in 1991…
Ships are ships
and we dont got any. And dont tell me that whole 3 way tie co-co-co division champs crap. Ugh….i hate remembering that game.
We gon rock it to the wheels fall off
by wrench_raider on Mar 5, 2010 1:45 AM CST up reply actions
First things First
I WANT A BIG 12 TITLE! From there, we can talk about it later…
how about the title of
having the most stupid AD and chancellor? we kick ass in that contest
"There's going to be ups and downs but you have to enjoy the battle." Mike Leach
Prolly just for mrs kiffin
" I crammed 4 years of Tech into 5"- me
by oldschoolraider on Mar 5, 2010 9:54 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Which makes them genius's!
So remove that touche down below chad0454. And touche down below sounds terribly dirty, I apologize.
touche down below
reminds me of my trips to Acuna
"There's going to be ups and downs but you have to enjoy the battle." Mike Leach
I am buying that he is talking about championships, the general application of the word, in what ever form they take. I know you wanted to be more definitive, but I believe that is the context he was speaking to.
What would anyone expect an ambitious HC to speak to as goals…if he choses to speak to goals ?
All it is to me is that Tuberville’s personality is showing…just like anyone else’s who is in that limelight. He likes to sell his program and he likes to put the goal out in front and work to achieve it.
Doing so helps his coaches and his players see what they are aiming to accomplish, why they are doing what they are doing, it also helps them put aside personal goals for team goals, because it is being spoken to so frequently, “this is the goal!”
I take it more as a matter of style. It is a little different than what we have seen in the recent past, I don’t better or not better. I could see the perspective of execute well, make routing plays and let the result be what it is approach as well. Style, personality, perspective. How a person is.
All coaches are judged by history on win/loss and Championships, the trophy case. Win/loss is important, trophies are +.
Sometimes a river boat can out run a pirate ship.
+1
it sure beats the hell out of a head coach talking about “hoping” to get to the NIT in mid-conference.
"There's going to be ups and downs but you have to enjoy the battle." Mike Leach
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