Follow Up To Texas Independence Day Blog
by TallMike on Mar 6, 2010 3:54 PM CST
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Printbq. The Battle of the Alamo, a part of the Texas Revolution, ended on March 6, 1836, when Mexican troops under General Antonio López de Santa Anna regained the Alamo Mission near San Antonio de Béxar (modern-day San Antonio, Texas). Several months previously, rebellious Texians had driven all Mexican troops out of Mexican Texas. Up to 260 Texians were garrisoned in the Alamo at various times. On February 23, 1836, Santa Anna and 1,500 Mexican troops laid siege to the Alamo as the first step in a campaign to re-take Texas. In the final battle, all but two of the Texian defenders were killed, and 400–600 Mexican troops were killed or wounded.
Perhaps the original day of infamy...had any of us been there, our wives would now be widows, and our children orphans. The early dawn attack was over whelming and complete, I cannot imagine the noise, chaos, anger, fear, and determination.
I was but four or five years old the first time I saw The Alamo, I remain reverently thankful men who stood for their beliefs.
Throughout my travels, I have always noticed that people know about Texas and know about the Alamo.
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Amen!!!!!
I actually found out just a few months ago that one of the defenders at least live here in Central Mississippi in a town called Raymond….his name was Willis Moore and with his cousin they went to Texas to find their fame and fortune and fight for liberty!!!! So I too have to tip my hat to all those who gave their life for liberty. I too was a young boy the first time I saw the Alamo and it as a Texan you know early on what it was about and it was for you!!!! Thanks Travis, Crockett, Bowie, Moore and the boys of the Alamo!!!!! Wreck’Em Tech
I had the good fortune of being able to take my young son to the Alamo
during our first appearance in the bowl there against Iowa. For me, it has always been a humbling experience and to be able to share that with the next generation was awesome. I remember we stood in front of the mission and quietly said a prayer thanking God for those who gave their lives and for alllowing us to be part of the greatest state in the world.
"There's going to be ups and downs but you have to enjoy the battle." Mike Leach
Tha Alamo
People in New York or Chicago know the name of the Alamo, but few of them really know the full story. It is one of the examples of how courageously Americans can fight in defending their rights, freedom, land and families. Those final few days, they knew where it was going and what the outcome would be, but to give Houston and the rest of the Texas militia time to prepare for the onslaught, they girded up their loins and stood firm until the last man stood. An amazing story we Texans all know and appreciate. I hope all of America can be educated on the intricate stories associated with the Alamo, so they can see how brave we Americans can all be. There were several non-Texans in that hell hole, but they all fought as brothers to perform their duties. I also thank all of the men and women involved, and I know I am a part of the United States of America because of them and their actions. I really do shudder to think about where we all would be now and how the world would be if Texas had failed in their fight for freedom. “REMEMBER THE ALAMO!” The greatest line ever yelled in combat.
TTpilk Psalm 117:
1 ¶ O praise the LORD, all ye nations: praise him, all ye people.
2 For his merciful kindness is great toward us: and the truth of the LORD endureth for ever. Praise ye the LORD.
They weren't Americans....
they were Texians !!! By Cracky !! ;-) And everyone mother’s son of them !
Sometimes a river boat can out run a pirate ship.
Wrong
Texas is in North America, so WE, and THEY are/were as American as anyone. Of course, Texas did not join the Union until 1845. But the way those valiant people fought is the way US citizens, Americans if you will, now fight, and will always fight. That is what I meant: that their courage is what all Americans now can identify with. Also, many in the Alamo were from other states, here to join in on a cause with all of the Texians, some of which were Mexicans as well, seeking freedom from the tyranny of Mexico. If you or anyone has not read some of the letters displayed there, please do so and let the chills spread over you. They were some brave and courageous people.
TTpilk Psalm 117:
1 ¶ O praise the LORD, all ye nations: praise him, all ye people.
2 For his merciful kindness is great toward us: and the truth of the LORD endureth for ever. Praise ye the LORD.
It was a joke !!
However, we all know that the term Americans, in general, is the favored term for U.S. citizens. Canadians call us Americans. The main thing, and we show agreement, is that the people were mixed heritage, brave, and willing to stand for what they believed.
If you really want to be serious about it, T.R. Fehrenbach’s wonderful history of Texas, ‘Lone Star’, attributes that fighting spirit largely to the Scot/Irish immigrants who had a deep history of rebellion and fighting tradition from living under English rule.
Sometimes a river boat can out run a pirate ship.
Wait! There's more!
There is alot of history prior to 1836 and what led to the Alamo – and other events as early as 1812 if I remember right, to take control from Spain. Most of the people who
fought in the Alamo, Goliad and San Jacinto against Mexico were rebellious, that is true, but most were not Texians. (oh, and for people who don’t know much about Texas history, John Wayne did not die at the Alamo) just trying to set the record straight…..
A great day in history! – but I wanna talk more spring training or expectations from the team or coaches or tailgaiting…
I give anyone who joined that rebellion credit as being a Texian.
That is the way they are normally described in the histories I read.
Some did come from U.S.A., some were Mexican citizens who migrated from lower Mexico, some where born in the Mexican State of Texas.
When they joined the rebellion the were Texians and all were treated as Texians.
Sometimes a river boat can out run a pirate ship.
Well Hell if it was not the Duke then it had to be
I really liked his Crockett better any way.
Who is John Galt?
And by the way
Did you ever consider the parallel of Crockett coming to Texas and Tuberville coming to Tech?
Lets just hope it turns out better for Tech and Tom.
Who is John Galt?
You just don't come into Texas from somewhere else and tell us what
WE are going to do. For the most part, Texans are an independent lot, carry a full sack of pride,and a strong work ethic. From the early days, Texans have EARNED their place in history and continue to follow the rule that a man is only as good as his word.
"There's going to be ups and downs but you have to enjoy the battle." Mike Leach
Not only have Texans earned a place in history
Texans maintain a place in history.
Sometimes a river boat can out run a pirate ship.
I grew up in just south of Houston...
just a few miles from where they finally caught up with Santa Anna and defeated his army. This story is one of the millions reasons I love Texas. Every country and state holds up particular victories on the battlefield that shaped their histories. But only Texas has the balls to celebrate a defeat. That takes moxie, cast iron balls.
"We have a running game at Tech......sometimes we throw short passes." -Mike Leach
Well, we have a bunch of them to celebrate...
If they could do anything they could fight and usually win….
Sometimes a river boat can out run a pirate ship.
Today's society wouldn't allow
For the war to go on after such a defeat at the Alamo….it’s what builds resolve. We are an entitled society today.
" I crammed 4 years of Tech into 5"- me
by oldschoolraider on Mar 6, 2010 7:06 PM CST via mobile reply actions
I am Texan
I find this to be one of the finest letters ever penned.
To The People of Texas and
All Americans In The World —
February 24, 1836
Fellow citizens & compatriots —
I am beseiged, by a thousand or more of the Mexicans under Santa Anna — I have sustained a continual Bombardment & cannonade for 24 hours & have not lost a man — The enemy has demanded a surrender at discretion, otherwise, the garrison are to be put to the sword, if the fort is taken — I have answered the demand with a cannon shot, & our flag still waves proudly from the walls — I shall never surrender or retreat. Then, I call on you in the name of Liberty, of patriotism, & every thing dear to the American character, to come to our aid, with all dispatch – The enemy is receiving reinforcements daily & will no doubt increase to three or four thousand in four or five days. If this call is neglected, I am determined to sustain myself as long as possible & die like a soldier who never forgets what is due to his own honor & that of his country -
VICTORY OR DEATH
William Barret Travis
Lt. Col. Comdt.
That being said, I always remember Mr. Hudson’s history class where I learned that Stephen F. Austin helped put Antonio López de Santa Anna into power and was also a most accomplished liar. One of the sad truths of the human spices is that brave men of honor die to end the calamities started by fools.
To those of you who serve our country today I salute you, not only for your service but for the fact that you represent every man or woman who has ever serve this country.
Who is John Galt?
Hey, hombre, you're talking about the Father of Texas !!!
Where was Mr Hudson from, I have a stinkin suspishon about that boy….
Sometimes a river boat can out run a pirate ship.
Mr Hudson was a fine teacher
who taught us How to think, not what to think.
Austin was a great man in Texas history who did his best to make peace with Mexico. He also told a few whoppers to the Mexicans, who went back on several agreement that they made so it all come out even. And yes, I thank God every day that Texas is not a part of Mexico.
Who is John Galt?
It was a tease...Mr Hudson does not need to be defended
We can see from your words that he was a fine teacher who made good impact.
Sometimes a river boat can out run a pirate ship.
Gave me chills....
I really think that more emphasis should be put on children’s Texas History education. I was lucky enough to grow up in a small town where there was an emphasis put on the history of our great state, but many others I have came across do not. I for one feel that an emphasis should be put on our kids and America’s leaders that Texas is the only state that CAN drop from the union and get by with it. Not saying that we should neccesarily do that, but that we have earned the right to feel self entitled. We aren’t self intitled, we are intitled by those that came long before us, such as Travis, Houston, Crockett, and the others involved with our independence. I love my state and what my country was founded on, and I refuse to be pushed around by people trying to change that.
As long as it is not weak kneed revisionist history, I agree.
Sometimes a river boat can out run a pirate ship.
The Rest of the Story?
When my seventh grade history teacher read about the death of Stephen F. Austin, she always cried. Every year without fail. She never told us this part about helping the enemy.
History yes ! Folklore hmmm....
Poor Joe fought by Travis’s side and still ended up a slave after the Alamo…. There were alot of reasons why the war was fought, Slavery, being Catholic, and land… The empresarios wanted to give land to people who the Spanish & Mexicans had already settled… Most people were fighting for financial gain. Manifest destinly was at it’s peak.
Question? If Texas pulls out of the Union…would the Dallas Cowboys still be America’s Team?? Let’s talk football already! LOL!
once jerry (think hance) jones took the reigns
and fired Landry, the Cowboys forfeited that title.
"There's going to be ups and downs but you have to enjoy the battle." Mike Leach
I have never read anything about slavery being a part of Texas Session from Mexico.
There were financial issues at stake…just as in the U.S. revolution…the issues were governmental, the folks who were settling Texas would not stand to be ruled by a dictator.
Sometimes a river boat can out run a pirate ship.
side note: while the original movie with John Wayne can be
seen as a bit hokey, it is far better than the remake with BB Thornton.
"There's going to be ups and downs but you have to enjoy the battle." Mike Leach
The Eyes of Texas are Upon Us
That song is a glorious one. The only bad part is that the University of Texas decided it would also be their school song. That is bad because it is a song for ALL Texans, not just the few associated with that Central Texas school, whose only concern is UT and not the rest of Texas and the universities within her boarders. Because of the influx in and around Austin of people from all areas of the US and the world, the lore associated with the historical experiences that formed our great state seem to be lost by the children who are growing up in this area. It is hopefully going to improve, but it will require great effort by all who care about preserving out history. There is a saying in Austin, “Keep Austin Weird”. Unfortunately, too many have embraced that type of mentality. Maybe the best way to preserve our history is for Austin to be forced to move about 1400 mile westward, or southward, or northward, or eastward…..anywhere but in the middle of this great state. An example of how different it is here in Austin: When I moved here in ’83, the immediate thing that I discovered that was different from the rest of Texas was in their country dances. In the rest of the state, without exception, any dance might start off on the left foot….here in Austin it starts off on the right foot. Just an example, but the whole lifestyle thing kind of follows suit. Does any of this make any sense? I feel like I am rambling, so I will cut it off here. “REMEMBER THE ALAMO!”
TTpilk Psalm 117:
1 ¶ O praise the LORD, all ye nations: praise him, all ye people.
2 For his merciful kindness is great toward us: and the truth of the LORD endureth for ever. Praise ye the LORD.
Austin belongs in California
"I swear, I'm gonna stab you with a fork."
-Gerald Myers or Kent Hance
by San Antonio Red Raider on Mar 7, 2010 9:47 AM CST up reply actions
If I was Governor of Texas
I would return to the 1968 reverence demanded inside the Alamo mission.
I was at the Alamo as a kid (I’m older than my ID suggests) I remember guards standing outside telling tourist to be reverent, treat this as hollowed ground, and not talk inside the mission chuch. If you had to talk, it must be a whisper. Otherwise you would be removed. There was complete quiet inside. Nothing but awe.
I have been back a couple times recently. The reverence is not there. Kids are free to run and yell inside. Like being inside a McDonalds fun land. It was a sad commentary on today’s society. Heartbreaking.
"It might look like zombies destroyed it, but that’s just Garland"
I am sad to hear this ...
I have been to The Alamo – and many of the other missions in San Antonio – many times and was always appreciative of the genuine respect tourists and guests paid in honor of those who had come before, paying the ultimate sacrifice.
The Alamo is indeed, hallowed ground, no less than the beaches of Normandy.
Thanks for sharing, TallMike -
"Fearless champions ever be; Stand on heights of victory"
by Let's Go Tech! on Mar 7, 2010 2:23 PM CST up reply actions
The State of Texas does own the Alamo
but it is in the custody of the Daughters of The Republic of Texas. They are a non-profit (I suppose).
There is currently a dispute over whether the DRT should continue in their role or it should go to the State Park Service.
The comment about reverence is right on mark…but where in our society do we see or openly value reverence in any form? It may still be there but it is but a shadow of what we saw in 1968 even.
The Alamo is currently in trouble with roof leaks, perhaps other issues as well: From the Houston Chronicle:
http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/metropolitan/6899949.html
Sometimes a river boat can out run a pirate ship.
if i were governor
I would get rid of hance
"There's going to be ups and downs but you have to enjoy the battle." Mike Leach
by blackbeard on Mar 8, 2010 5:22 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
It is our Governer that gives him and the BOR thier power.
by Damien Franco on Mar 8, 2010 9:57 AM CST up reply actions
This is how I see it as well.....
I plan to pose a similiar question on the fanpost about the fundraising calls, but my question is: If we ask that our discontent be documented as the reason why we abstain from donating this year, who sees that? If that information just goes to desks of the “three stooges”, are they going to fire themselves? I actually think this type of protest could be helpful since it doesn’t detract from our support of the team, but I would want to know that it wasn’t just getting thrown in the garbage.
"We have a running game at Tech......sometimes we throw short passes." -Mike Leach
Google - slavery Mexico Texas (and yes there were alot of other reasons)
“The issue of slavery became a source of contention between the Anglo-American (called that because they spoke English) settlers and Spanish governors. The governors feared the growth in the Anglo-American population in Texas, and for various reasons, by the early 19th century, they and their superiors in Mexico City disapproved of expanding slavery. In 1829 the Guerrero decree conditionally abolished slavery throughout Mexican territories. It was a decision that increased tensions with slaveholders among the Anglo-Americans.”
The Billy Bob Thorton Alamo movie may not have been as entertaining as the John Wayne version, but is more acurate in lines of what went down, cept for Crockett playing the fiddle and silencing the Mexican trumpeters, maybe – more Hollywood… and fell in line with what Jose Enrique De La Pena witnessed and wrote. Was “El Deguello” really played at the Alamo? We can only guess…
But I do know Mexico was weak and Texas was ripe for the taking, thus the minimal loss of life and a short war, it was over in a matter of a couple of months. History should inspire us, but I like to look at the facts and not get caught in who’s best – Fox or MSNBC…Less filling or tastes great…. Perception is strong and sight weak.
The cry was – “REMEMBER ALAMO, REMEMBER GOLIAD!”
Thank you – Wreck "Em Tech!!!
And yes! I agree, Austin does belong in California! Smile…
Thank You !!
"The issue of slavery became a source of contention between the Anglo-American (called that because they spoke English) settlers and Spanish governors. The governors feared the growth in the Anglo-American population in Texas, and for various reasons, by the early 19th century, they and their superiors in Mexico City disapproved of expanding slavery. In 1829 the Guerrero decree conditionally abolished slavery throughout Mexican territories. It was a decision that increased tensions with slaveholders among the Anglo-Americans."
Sometimes a river boat can out run a pirate ship.
Football anyone?
Let’s move on to Spring Game and what the foozball team is lookin’ like…
Pick a thread....
This one is a distraction..
" I crammed 4 years of Tech into 5"- me
by oldschoolraider on Mar 7, 2010 6:34 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Im so proud to be a Texan
I love my state! I wouldnt trade my state, the history, or the awesome people that inhabit it for anywhere else in the world. We texans wear our pride on our sleves and we aint afraid to admit it either. I hate it when other people from different states ask me if we say howdy, ride horses, and carry guns. I say, “not everyone does. ;)”. Aside from all the stereotypes that i get asked about, people will never know why i love my state. Cmon, were the only state not to be annexed into the union and the only one to be able tgo succedd from it. Gotta be a Texan to understand a Texan.
We gon rock it to the wheels fall off
I have run into the stereotyping as well, I finally just jumped on board
Come on down, we’ll fix you up, plenty of room in the bunk house, plenty of horses to ride, plenty of space to ride…
If they are dumb enough to think and say that, I am sure not willing to let that be an insult….
Sometimes a river boat can out run a pirate ship.
Great read...
http://www.texassecede.com/faq.htm
" Answers -- Become Resources."
Without Questions; There are limited Resources...
Thank you.
My family moved to East Texas around the 1840’s. We never forget the Alamo and we always celebrate Texas Independence Day or my younger brothers birthday, whatever you want to call it. I’m 5th generation Texan and my son makes it 6th. We came to Texas with the intention to never leave. So far so good.
" Answers -- Become Resources."
Without Questions; There are limited Resources...
The Indian part of my family was here then,
hope we didnt terrorize your family too much! I’m kind of a mutt though, not sure when all the foreigners came to the states. But I know that I have been here all of my life, and don’t plan on that ever changing. I start preaching secession every Texas Independence Day, people seem to get a bit upset by it lol.
Probably not.
We are all criminals from England, well my fathers side anyway. Mothers side is Basque, and if you are a true frenchman you hate me. Ha!
" Answers -- Become Resources."
Without Questions; There are limited Resources...
Damn Frenchies.... (no offense to any French people on here of course)
I dont know of any French in me, lots of Irish though.
I don't know much about Antonio López de Santa Anna, but I really like
Carlos Santanna.
"There's going to be ups and downs but you have to enjoy the battle." Mike Leach
That's a movie quote and I can't think of it.......
" Answers -- Become Resources."
Without Questions; There are limited Resources...
Remember...
Most of Santa Anna’s army was taken by force from the Mexican country side to fight his dictatorial demands and battles. So to this seems to be “slavery” as well. Noone is totally pristeen but I would never trade our Constitusion for Mexico’s, would you?
Wreck’Em Tech
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