Red Raider Gridiron :: New Tight End to Arrive in June
Spring Game Buzz: LAJ's Don Williams writes about the buzz that head coach Tommy Tuberville and Texas Tech hope to create on Saturday for the spring game. Tuberville talks about that he hopes to reward fans:
"They get a chance to talk to the players afterward,’’ he said. "We’ll have an autograph session and hopefully get a lot of kids involved in terms of coming and getting interested in Red Raider football. I think it’s kind of a reward to show the players, ‘Hey, we appreciate what you’ve gone through and how you’ve handled it and what you’ve done.’ I think that’s what’s so big about this spring practice.’’
Tuberville was also asked about Lauren James and had this to say:
"Nah, Adam’s handled it real well,’’ Tuberville said. "Fans have handled it great here. I’ve heard nothing but positive. There could’ve been a lot more negative said about what’s gone on, but it goes on.
And last but not least, and I have a feeling that this quote may cause a record-setting-comments for RRG, as Tuberville informed Texas Tech fans, alumni and supporters how to feel about the entire Leach fiasco:
"This is not about any one person. It’s not about a coach. It’s not about me or anybody else. It’s about Texas Tech. If you’ll make it about the school and make it about the program, then you’re headed the right direction. I think if anybody points fingers at players or coaches or administrators, it’s wrong. Because that’s life. You’ve got to overcome obstacles and go on.’’
On some level, Tuberville is right, it is about Texas Tech. My allegiance has never wavered from Texas Tech, I love my university, but I do not need Tuberville to tell me not to point fingers when at this point, it seems very clear that certain administrators and their egos are the sole reason Mike Leach is no longer the head coach.
Bottom line, I don't need anyone to tell me how to feel about the situation.
Defensive Linemen Anxious: DT's Tommy Magelssen writes that the defensive line is excited for the spring game and DT Pearlie Graves says he's found his groove:
"It’s very exciting, I mean anytime you get to touch the football or hit this field or even get to run or tackle someone — I mean that’s a great opportunity," he said. "I try to go out there and do the best I can and go hard at what I do."
Defensive line coach Sam McElroy had this to say about some of the linemen:
"Whitlock is a veteran and he is playing solid and is giving us really good snaps. ... Myles Wade got banged up a little bit today, but he’s done a great job in there at the three technique," McElroy said. "Donald Langley, Pearlie Graves — Britton Barbee has been around a while and knows what to do so we’re getting solid reps out of all those guys."
Notes, Notes and More Notes: LAJ's Don Williams writes that there's some work to do in terms of man coverage:
"We’re going to make some completions against anybody playing that kind of coverage if you throw enough of them,’’ Tuberville said. "But we were giving them a steady diet Saturday and today. Course, in a game, (the receivers) don’t know when it’s coming. You’ll disguise (coverage) better. We made it a little bit easier for the offense. But (the corners) will get better at it, because you have to be able to do it in big games. You’ve got to be able to put pressure on other quarterbacks, especially in this league.’’
. . . Williams also quotes Tuberville who has this to say after reviewing the film from Saturday's scrimmage:
"We didn’t tackle very well, but the one thing: We didn’t have near as many loafs,’’ Tuberville said. "Our guys played hard on defense. We’re starting to get guys beat up a little bit and don’t have the depth, and we went a long time. We did a lot of blitzing in the scrimmage, and the offense did a good job communicating, getting to the right play and getting the ball down field.’’
. . . OL Beau Carpenter, a 2010 commit that made it to school a semester early and doesn't turn 18 until June (wow!) is apparently making a positive impression with the coaching staff an was utilized as a blocking tight end in goal line situations. Carpenter is happy to just get some reps:
"Things are going real good so far,’’ Carpenter said. "I’m just out here trying to compete, being underage and everything. But I’m getting a lot of reps, so I’m excited.’’
New Tight End: I found this buried in the middle of a recruiting article by The State's Robert Kornblut who reports on a new tight end, Bo Whitney, that is expected to come to Texas Tech in June. Whitney was the quarterback for Hargrave Military Academy and Kornblut had this on how Whitney is headed to Texas Tech:
Former Laurens and Union quarterback Bo Whitney (6-4, 230) is heading to Texas Tech in June to play tight end. Whitney attended Hargrave (Va.) Prep last fall and played tight end. He was going to walk on at Clemson until former Hargrave coach Robert Prunty offered him a full scholarship to return and play quarterback. Then Prunty went to Texas Tech, and new Red Raiders coach Tommy Tuberville contacted Whitney about joining his program as a tight end. Whitney said he will pay his own way his first semester with a chance to get a scholarship in January.
"I just can't turn this opportunity down," Whitney said.
Here's his various profiles and as you'll note, he's not a highly rated prospect: Rivals, Scout and ESPN. I found some video of Whitney after the jump. Depending on which 40 time you believe, he runs somewhere between a 4.9 and a 4.7, which isn't bad. His film doesn't lead me to believe that he runs a 4.9, but he's not much faster than that. He does have decent size and if he was athletic enough to play quarterback, then perhaps he's athletic enough to make the transition to tight end. Perhaps the silver lining is that other than Carpenter getting some looks at tight end (which I think is just a case of getting him some reps as I have no doubt that he'll be an offensive lineman), Tuberville does appear to be focusing on the more athletic type of tight ends in Whitney and high schooler Jace Amaro rather than the 6-5/265 blocking type of tight end.
Video after the jump.
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side note: on our questionable AD
here is his quote regarding women’s basketball
“Given the challenge of playing in the Big 12 South Division, where every team but Tech was ranked and reached the tournament, Myers was impressed with the team’s progress, particularly in the 80-77 come-from-behind victory against Houston in the first round of the WNIT at United Spirit Arena.
Curry, he said, isn’t going anywhere, and he’s not setting any bar on what the team must accomplish in either of the final two years remaining on her contract.
"I don’t ever put any kind of goals on coaches," Myers said."
If this does not prove that we have the absolute dumbest AD, sorriest excuse for an athletic dept. leader, worthless individual I don’t know what does. Who ever in the Wide World of Sports does not have goals? WTF. This idiot has to be disposed of sooner than later. My God, I am shaking I am so freakin mad right now.
"There's going to be ups and downs but you have to enjoy the battle." Mike Leach
In basketball
We’ve become a teaching college for coaches. Except we put them on $1 million fellowships while they learn.
"I’ve established a reputation for integrity. I have maintained those high standards" - Craig James
If anyone can explain that travesty that was the OT home loss to UT in women’s basketball, I’m all ears.
looks at any picture of John Fitzgerald Katfish.........
now HE"S all ears.
"There's going to be ups and downs but you have to enjoy the battle." Mike Leach
And Katfish said
“I think if anybody points fingers at players or coaches or administrators, it’s wrong.”
To which Blackbeard responded, “No sir, you sir are wrong. Our administration should certainly be pointed out for their agenda, incompitence, and incontinence. We have a group of geriatrics cowtowing to big donors only with little regard for character, morals, or even doing what makes financial sense. They have trashed the reputation of a good coach, a great school and now just want to sweep it under the rug.”
"There's going to be ups and downs but you have to enjoy the battle." Mike Leach
Seth, you are correct when you said,
“My allegiance has never wavered from Texas Tech, I love my university, but I do not need Tuberville to tell me not to point fingers when at this point, it seems very clear that certain administrators and their egos are the sole reason Mike Leach is no longer the head coach.
Bottom line, I don’t need anyone to tell me how to feel about the situation."
"There's going to be ups and downs but you have to enjoy the battle." Mike Leach
Tubs
From what I’ve read about his departure from Auburn, he’s used to the big donors pulling the strings. I guess that’s why he’s playing the PC game to stay on thier good side.
"I’ve established a reputation for integrity. I have maintained those high standards" - Craig James
.. "I don’t need anyone to tell me how to feel about the situation'..
I live in world where leadership is accountable. Where integrity is openly displayed and graded on a daily basis. No one asked the administration to like the former coach. But we – the membership of the university – did ask for success. They got that and couldn’t take it. They allowed histrionics to over load their decision making model. I am grading their performance and its lacking. They don’t have a leg to stand on to justify their actions. Based on deliverables, integrity and fairness their leadership failed to measure up. It’s like this the administration’s actions can’t stand the scrutiny of an Inspector General. In a word unimpressed. Unimpressed with the ability to manage a complex organization and steer the ship.
They better pray – daily – that Coach Tuberville out does M. Leach.
"do routine things routinely"
Tuberville's been wise to sidestep the issue so far
He needs a 9 win regular season under his belt with the team he inherited before he should try to crow about how things turned out. If he makes it a “me vs Mike” contest he’ll split the fan base & it won’t do him or the program any favors. Win the 1st three games in September & he won’t hear another question about his predecessor.
John Hancock
Please kieep these immortal words from the Captain in mind when touting the former accoplishments of Katfish
“Because we want to tell everybody, yea at one time I was 11-2. Well that doesn’t make you shit anymore! That doesn’t make you shit. "
"There's going to be ups and downs but you have to enjoy the battle." Mike Leach
I agree....
Tubs is protected in from all of the angst way up high on the HC mountain, and I would venture to believe has no real clue the depths of our trust issues. I agree that he is better served continuing to side step the issue, and if he does his jobs next season, the questions will fade. I heard Casey Kowan on on 104.3 put it best, when he said “there is plenty of blame to go around in all this”……I also think it’s a mistake to linger on this comment as opposed to the wealth of football and tailgating to be discussed leading up to the big weekend!
"We have a running game at Tech......sometimes we throw short passes." -Mike Leach
Do you have to let it linger?
Do you have to, do you have to….?
TTUMAR channels The Cranberries
by Houston Raider on Apr 13, 2010 9:24 AM CDT up reply actions
Awwww, it's 1994 all over again.....
Nice Tuesady Cranberries reference…
"We have a running game at Tech......sometimes we throw short passes." -Mike Leach
That song comes to be everytime I let loose a SBD
Are there rules against mentioning an SBD on DTN?
John Hancock
9 wins
He’d better win 9 THIS year because unless Seth or Jacob win the job, ha, he will have a green QB in 2011.
Give 'Em Hell Tech!!!!!
by Plano Jeff on Apr 13, 2010 8:47 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
TT does himself no favors when he wanders into the sh*t storm
TT was not a part of the problem and should distance himself from the nonsense that went on before him.
He should focus his comments to what is happening on the field.
Tuberville will only win over fans based on the team’s onfield performance. He would be foolish to presume otherwise.
Unfortunate slip up for Tubs.
"This time it's different."
June vs January
Headline says Bo Whitney is arriving in January, but text says he’s coming in June as non-scholarship, looking to get a scholarship in January? So he will be here for the 2010 season, right?
Tight Ends
Looks like we’re going to be flush with these guys for the first time since forever. And I mean real tight ends, not the Abigail Jimmy kind.
"I’ve established a reputation for integrity. I have maintained those high standards" - Craig James
I see what you did there.....
" Answers --Become Resources."
Without Questions, There are limited Resources...
I too see what you did.
Genius.
Give 'Em Hell Tech!!!!!
by Plano Jeff on Apr 13, 2010 8:55 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Question about Prunty
I understand why TT hired Prunty (to get a pipeline to Hargrave), but after this year and maybe next will he have that much sway back at the Academy? I thought most of those kids were there for 1 or 2 years before moving off. I guess TT is banking on his ties with the current coaching staff to pull in more kids? Either that or he just wants him for his discipline techniques?
A no star athlete who was going to try to walk-on? This doesn’t seem like the pick of the litter….but I could be wrong…
I have had the same thoughts about Prunty’s continued influence at Hargrave. I guess it’s way better than having no connections there. And like you said, a coach skilled at keeping the kids in line couldn’t hurt nowadays.
"I’ve established a reputation for integrity. I have maintained those high standards" - Craig James
Prunty doesn’t just have sway at Hargrave. I’d assume that he’d maintain contact back there with the coaches, giving him an inside track. But that’s not exactly why he was hired. The man, supposedly, knows just about every East Coast high school coach worth knowing. At Hargrave, he did have to do some bit of recruiting to bring that level of talent in.
Guess I'm confused then...
on exactly what Hargrave’s status is. I thought they were a school for kids with academic problems and that they came there to get their act together. I wasn’t aware that they recruited kids to come there to play. Is it a school that Prunty could actually ‘recruit’ kids to?
The East Coast High school connections makes sense.
Kids usually go there because they’re a course or two short of qualifying for college. I believe that you can straight up replace 1 course from your highschool transcript (per semester?). These kids still have to be recruited, though, because there are a number of prep schools along the east coast competing for the top talent. There are some players who did sign with a college, didn’t qualify, but were placed at Hargrave by the college that recruited them (similar to us placing players at Blinn or whatnot), but you can’t fill out a roster with just those players.
Blinn = Aggie, I thought...
I thought Tech was mainly Cisco and Navarro…
" Answers --Become Resources."
Without Questions, There are limited Resources...
Not Navarro, we just got lucky with Rumph.
I grew up very near it. It’s aTm commerce now, it’s a smaller version of Blinn when it comes to football. However, in baseball, the old head coach is now UT’s pitching coach (Skip Johnston). He and Augie Garrido have always been friends, so it is and has been a pipeline for UT. Rumph is the only Tech transfer I have heard of…..ever.
A HS classmate of mine coached under Prunty at Hargrave
He said Prunty is a good man & sound technician. He seems to be another high-character hire by Tubs, you’ve got to be impressed by the staff he put together. See everyone Saturday.
Throw first and ask questions later.
Theta, I don’t agree with the premise that Prunty was hired because he could establish a pipeline to Hargrave.
I believe that he was hired because Tuberville has a lot of respect for him as a person, a coach, and a person who can recruit and work with players/people…and do that at a very high level.
That it was demonstrated at Hargrave, a private prep school, likely with ‘scholarships’, but one that competes with other prep schools similar to every college and university that recruits to their campuses is a indication of his ability and perhaps connections.
I am kind of trying to get to the concept that if he was not an excellent coach, he would not be on staff.
women should put pictures of missing husbands on beer cans
I thought it was just a failed attempt at protecting his player.
I read the quote exclusively in the context of him talking about how we’re supposed to treat Adam James, as an attempt to protect him against us. I don’t begrudge him trying to defend his player, even one I think is in no need of defending, like James.
But I also think it was a half-assed effort. If you don’t want us pointing fingers at Adam James, you need to tell us that, authoritatively. Be a man about it. Tell the fans that you don’t want to see them pointing fingers at James, and that if you see that, fans will get the business from you. Not: I just really hope fans overcome obstacles like pointing fingers at players (and others) because that’s like, wrong, man. So let’s make it about the school, hugs around (and not Adam!).
Should have been: “Adam James has handled it well. I am his coach. I will protect my player. If anyone wants to make this about Adam James, they’ll get to answer to me, because he’s my charge and I take that seriously.”
My philosophy is that if a coach wants to draw a line in the sand against the fans, he better have the verbal firepower to back it up. If coach wants to, and I understand why he must, take the position that Adam James is his player and we’re not allowed to resist that, I think he should dive in head-first. I don’t like this business about treating is an extension of the Leach issue. He should focus on the fact that as a coach he has a responsibility to the players, and therefore he’ll eff us up if we mess with one of his hens. This stuff about trying to reconcile everyone and make us sing koombaya over what happened this year is asinine, and doesn’t do what coach needs it to do.
SP nailed it...
bringing the Leach issue into anything you do as a new HC here is a bad idea, and I wonder how it’s possible for a guy with this much experience to make this kind of mistake.
"Winning isn't everything"... Bob Knight
by raider realist on Apr 13, 2010 9:25 AM CDT up reply actions
yeah... cuz that never backfires
Even ignoring whether or not Tuberville can handle it, being that he’s a man, and over 40 and all that. ;)
That’s not always the best way. I agree the tact he DID choose was bad (IMO), but saying “lay off the player, talk to me, blah blah” can get people dogpiling on Nancy anyway and add questions about the player’s toughness if they have to have the coach fight their battles. (it happened to Chris Simms at UT)
I agree that it’s a dangerous strategy, but once you’ve engaged the “I’m going to protect the player against the fans” angle, better to go at it head first rather than wading in and bringing up an incendiary issue that is really, by this point, completely tangential at least as far as Coach TT is concerned. We as fans may be incapable of separating the Mike Leach scenario from the ongoing Adam James saga, but Coach’s responsibilities to Adam James exist completely independent of what happened with Mike Leach. He can separate those two without seeming like he’s dodging any questions.
You and I are in complete agreement that this was not the best way to handle it. Hindsight being 20/20, here’s one way he could have dealt with the situation without taking an aggressive tone with the fans, without bringing up a divisive issue, while also accomplishing what he needs to do as a coach, which is engender trust between himself and his players, who he is in charge of.
“Nah, Adam’s handled it real well,’’ Tuberville said. "Fans have handled it great here. I’ve heard nothing but positive. There could’ve been a lot more negative said about what’s gone on, but it goes on.
Next question. Fade to black.
He can handle the situation without addressing the rightness or wrongness of the previous coach, or asking the fans to perform a large, collective attitude adjustment. But, and now I’m just being repetitive, once the decision is made to back the player who is at the center of a controversy, and to ask the fans to alter what’s in their heads, I think a “you better get over it, because…” is less persuasive, coming from a head coach, then “you better get over it, or else…”
by Skin Patrol on Apr 13, 2010 11:32 AM CDT up reply actions
isn't "fade to black"
what started this whole mess?
"There's going to be ups and downs but you have to enjoy the battle." Mike Leach
totally agree
IMWTx
"We thought we were too good to play Texas Effin' A&M" -Leach et al
by imisswesttexas on Apr 13, 2010 1:23 PM CDT up reply actions
I belive Skin Patrol has the concept
that Tuberville is trying to exhibit.
He seems to be standing up for the team, the program and the direction that it could take, one that he has seen bring success…little more little less.
women should put pictures of missing husbands on beer cans
As Gomer would have gleefully said.....
THANK YA THANK YA THANK YA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
You have made my morning sir…and my day as well . I couldn’t have said it any better. Thank you.
My allegiance has never wavered from Texas Tech, I love my university, but I do not need Tuberville to tell me not to point fingers when at this point, it seems very clear that certain administrators and their egos are the sole reason Mike Leach is no longer the head coach.
Bottom line, I don’t need anyone to tell me how to feel about the situation.
"There's nothing that cleanses your soul like getting the hell kicked out of you." Woody Hayes
One of my biggest pet peeves is when people talk constantly but never listen. They are always waiting for their next turn to speak and when you are talking they are focused on what they are going to say next. Obviously, I don’t know Tubs personally but I think it would be in his best interest to start listening a bit more and talking a bit less. He really seems to love the camera but the problem with constant word vomiting is that you inevitably put your foot in your mouth. Maybe it’s just the press being fascinated with a new coach but it wouldn’t hurt Tubs to keep a few thoughts and opinions to himself. He has no idea the amount of frustration and alienation we have had to experience as being the school in the Leach scandal (shedgate, Craig James, lawsuit, ESPN, breach of contract, Ted Liggitt, Board of Regents, released emails and videos, Godsquad, aww shucks we tried to held him, $800,000 bonus, awwww someone make it stop……)
"Life's a garden, dig it."
Well said.
Good fans are trying to focus on the future but he pours salt in the wound when he oversimplifies the Leach situation. I’m trying really hard to get behind him but he loses me when he tells me how I should be feeling.
I’m also gonna need somebody to send me a Katfish Translator. I’m not sure when I’m supposed to take him at his word and believe him or disregard whatever is coming out of his mouth. For example:
1. I AM supposed to believe that he never plans to change the offense and revert to a conservative running attack that yields a below average offense. Ignore all the tight ends, smaller offensive lineman, and running backs being recruited. He said he won’t go back. Believe him.
2. I AM NOT supposed to believe him when he says the team isn’t ready to play and he is unhappy with both sides of the ball. He is just trying to trick Mack Brown. Don’t believe him.
3. I AM supposed to believe:
"Nah, Adam’s handled it real well,’’ Tuberville said. "Fans have handled it great here. I’ve heard nothing but positive. There could’ve been a lot more negative said about what’s gone on, but it goes on.
4. I AM wrong if I point fingers at anyone about anything.
I need a manual.
"If you get caught up in a tickle fight, you won't get your cotton crop in on time."
- Old Dimmitt proverb
by San Antonio Red Raider on Apr 13, 2010 9:24 AM CDT up reply actions
Until the 2010 season is over,
I will only believe two things:
F*ck playing it close, we lost the god damn game to the University of Texas and we could’ve won the mother f*cker.
So then, we get on a roll, we do some good things, and we play Texas A&M. And we lost our f*cking ass ’cause we thought we were too good to play Texas f*cking A&M.
It never gets old.
"it may look like zombies destroyed it, but that's actually just Garland"
by Raider2010 on Apr 13, 2010 10:22 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
God I love that man
He understood, if his players didn’t, how much beating Texas A&M has always nmeant to Texas Tech. If you’re going to take a day off, that’s not the one to do it.
John Hancock
I may just start using the above Captain's quote for all responses on here from now on.
“F*ck playing it close, we lost the god damn game to the University of Texas and we could’ve won the mother f*cker.
So then, we get on a roll, we do some good things, and we play Texas A&M. And we lost our f*cking ass ’cause we thought we were too good to play Texas f*cking A&M."
"There's going to be ups and downs but you have to enjoy the battle." Mike Leach
by blackbeard on Apr 13, 2010 1:23 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
That's perfect
Those 2 quotes more than make up for the lack of a manual. I’m writing them on the back of my hand right now.
"If you get caught up in a tickle fight, you won't get your cotton crop in on time."
- Old Dimmitt proverb
by San Antonio Red Raider on Apr 13, 2010 10:51 AM CDT up reply actions
At the very least, a flowchart
"There's going to be ups and downs but you have to enjoy the battle." Mike Leach
My opinion on the Tuberville comment is that it was his (misguided?) way of trying to say, “I really don’t want to worry with this, I’d rather everyone focus on the team and the future. It’s over with and lets focus on today.” Is that a wrong thing to say from a head man stepping into a rather ugly situation? I don’t think so. I also don’t think it was some sort of edict, it was more an encouragement to refocus. That’s what leaders do; they take their followers and encourage them to use their eyes as intended – to look forward, not backward. Some people don’t like that message, and that’s okay too. A lot of others do like it.
He is a southern boy and they tend to speak from the cuff, as you other southern boys know. It’s honest and it’s frank and it’s often not very sensitive.
An argument could be made he should have just side stepped it, but I think not saying anything about it at all just allows it to linger.
Really, message boards are the only place I still hear about alumni being upset about this whole Leach thing. None of my Tech-ex friends and family even discuss it anymore when Tech comes up. Maybe I’ve got an insular group of friends, but that’s what’s happening in my circle. I don’t begrudge anyone from their feeling on this at all, and I’m not telling someone to move on…do with your time/money what you feel is the right thing to do.
But the fact is, the administration won’t be held accountable on any level in this. Simply not gonna happen unless something none of us knows about comes out in the suit – assuming it even sees a courtroom, which I don’t think it will. The people who make the decisions regarding the fate of our administration are on board with what happened, so far as I can tell.
The folks with the deepest pockets seem tickled pink and there are probably enough minor donors who are also on board with Tuberville and the future to make any financial losses from still disgruntled fans from making too big of an impact.
I think there is a (probably small) population of fans who will never give another nickel to Tech because of this. That’s their right and I have no problem at all with them exercising it.
Well said sir....
"We have a running game at Tech......sometimes we throw short passes." -Mike Leach
I Add:
Let’s not forget that the only reason we are talking about Tuberville’s choice of words is because he hasn’t won or lost any games yet. If he wins 8 or more games next season, improves the season after that, and continues our winning ways, Tech fans will be defending Tubs against outside critques, rather than nit picking our own, just like we did with Mike. If he loses, these comments will be used in conjunction with the losses as a reason to find another coach. Winning cures all ills. Just ask the West Side Boys, some of whom I believe may be here at DTN, who didn’t want to accept Leach when he came with all his pirates and passing……and now are repeating history with the new staff. Just win games boys, and all of this word analysis goes away. If Mike got away with his wordsmithing with wins, Tubs will sail easy if he wins.
"We have a running game at Tech......sometimes we throw short passes." -Mike Leach
it's gonna come down to the season
Kinda like the situation with Tiger Woods, “win and no one cares”. If Tuberville has a great season (9 wins MINIMUM) then things will be fine and while there will be some lingering hard feelings toward the admin, things will move on. “Mid-level” season (say 8 wins) and people will probably take a “wait and see”, there will be questions about if Leach could have done better, but it’ll take at least another season or two to see how this whole Tuberville thing is going. Worse than that, 7 wins, or especially 6 or less and you’ll lose all three prongs of a good program: 1) Ticket sales, 2) merchandise sales, 3) general public interest. If all three (or even any two of three) of those go, “big donors” aren’t gonna be worth a lot unless one of them is a T Boone Pickens class. The longhorns became the richest program not just on the backs of big money donors, but also carried on piles of merchandise sales from the alums. I don’t think our admin cares TOO much if small money donations dry up for a little while. But they WILL care if those donations stay away AND (more importantly) people stop buying Tech gear and don’t full our expanded and improved stadium.
And at the end of the day, the truism of sports is that people love a winner. If Tuberville shows he’s a winner people will love him even if they still hold love for Leach. If he doesn’t… well then all bets are off.
Were you reading my mind or vice versa?
"We have a running game at Tech......sometimes we throw short passes." -Mike Leach
And I agree:
History is simply repeating it self. It’s not exactly the same, as it nevers is, but it rhymes. Leach was the SECOND Tech football coach to be fired while holding the crown of “winningest coach in program history”…..remember Spike? Although handled more quietly in the days before blogs, facebook, etc……Spike and his entire staff was let go. Sure the reasons were different, and performance related, but the results are the same. Those whose formative years of watching Tech football morned his loss, resented the new quirky coach who came in and changed everything Spike ghad done right down to the uniforms, offices, and parking spaces. Some never got over it (Sowell). But to there detriment, as they missed out on enjoying what Leach did for our school for the next 10 years.
Now the same thing is happening again, as those who grew up (so to speak) watching Leach refuse to let go, resent the new preppy staff, and some will never embrace it. And sadly, if we are succesful, some of them won’t enjoy the success we should achieve over the next 10 years. “Those who do not learn from history are doomed to repeat it.”
"We have a running game at Tech......sometimes we throw short passes." -Mike Leach
The only way those two situations begin to rhyme...
Is if you completely mispronounce one of them a la current rap/hip hop style…
by Houston Raider on Apr 13, 2010 10:10 AM CDT up reply actions
I'm almost positive I don't want to ask but....
And I think I gave myself a caveat above, multiple times, that the was this was handled, was not the same. But surely you remember the less than warm reception that Leach received from the old stalwarts after Spike’s dissmisal? Surely you remember all of the grumblings about how we abandoned defense, abadoned running the ball etc? Surely you remember all those on the west side furious with the admin for tarnishing the legacy Spike built? To put it succinctly, for the past four years as a member of Rotary, the quote from the coruches was “we will never be an elite team with Leach as coach”. Leach proved them wrong, converted many of them, and there is no way you can deny that similair atttiudes prevail here.
"We have a running game at Tech......sometimes we throw short passes." -Mike Leach
When the Captain arrived on campus,
the majority of the “westsiders” did not give the guns up, only stood for the National Anthem, and bitched when a 40 year old “kid” stood up and cheered.
"There's going to be ups and downs but you have to enjoy the battle." Mike Leach
That's what I remember as well...
"We have a running game at Tech......sometimes we throw short passes." -Mike Leach
Spike retired. He wasn't fired on a whim.
And I think you are making a mistake to compare the two (Spike’s departure vs. Leach’s departure). There were a few folks upset about Spike’s retirement but most were looking forward to a new chapter in Tech football.
"If you get caught up in a tickle fight, you won't get your cotton crop in on time."
- Old Dimmitt proverb
by San Antonio Red Raider on Apr 13, 2010 10:11 AM CDT up reply actions
Actually SARR Spike did not retire....
and if you believe that, I understand why you don’t get my comparrison. Spike had every intention of conintuing to coach, as did his staff, one of who I have mentuioned I eat lunch with nearly every Thrusday. They had no idea they were being let go, and the enitre, albeit more quiet mess, has left this one coach in particular, sour on Tech football ever since.
"We have a running game at Tech......sometimes we throw short passes." -Mike Leach
I had never heard about this, what was the cause? (oh yeah you don't need one)
but I sure would like to know more about this.
"There's going to be ups and downs but you have to enjoy the battle." Mike Leach
It was performance.....
The conference had begun it’s shift to offense first football and the admin specifically wanted an offensive minded coach. Another name that was in the hunt along with Leach…..Rich Rodriguez…..but at the time he too was only an assistant. It’s actually funny but my friend who coahced with Spike never admitted to watching Leach, and was over critical I thought at times of his coaching. But the moment Leach was fired, this guy was all fired up about how he got treated…….he had been down that road with Tech before as well you see.
"We have a running game at Tech......sometimes we throw short passes." -Mike Leach
Thank the good gay priate fish wanda that
we did not get Richy
"There's going to be ups and downs but you have to enjoy the battle." Mike Leach
I know, I too think that would have been a mess..
"We have a running game at Tech......sometimes we throw short passes." -Mike Leach
Rich was on his way to Tech
and would have been offered the job. But, then he made the mistake of bringing his wife to town. She took one look around and said “no effin way am I moving here.” So, Rodriguez took the WV job.
I hope that TTUMAR can confirm this so we can all be assured it’s the gospel.
"If you get caught up in a tickle fight, you won't get your cotton crop in on time."
- Old Dimmitt proverb
by San Antonio Red Raider on Apr 13, 2010 10:46 AM CDT up reply actions
So West Virginia was an improvement over Lubbock?
That hurts. West Virginia is widely thought of as the armpit of the eastern seaboard.
John Hancock
In Mrs. Rodriguez's eyes I guess it was.
But she’s probably glad to be in Ann Arbor now.
"If you get caught up in a tickle fight, you won't get your cotton crop in on time."
- Old Dimmitt proverb
by San Antonio Red Raider on Apr 13, 2010 10:57 AM CDT up reply actions
yep, Michigan.....
Rich Rod may be the only person in that state that is still employed.
"There's going to be ups and downs but you have to enjoy the battle." Mike Leach
I'll ignore the weird dig at me...
And simply ask, is that true about Rich Rod’s wife?
"We have a running game at Tech......sometimes we throw short passes." -Mike Leach
by TTUMAR on Apr 13, 2010 11:52 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Yes.
"If you get caught up in a tickle fight, you won't get your cotton crop in on time."
- Old Dimmitt proverb
by San Antonio Red Raider on Apr 13, 2010 12:30 PM CDT up reply actions
Yes. Totally correct
But if memory serves, he is also a WVU grad so his intention was always to go back home as HC.
But I don’t think he was an asst at the time. Pretty sure he was HC at Southern Miss., but I’d have to check
IMWTx
"We thought we were too good to play Texas Effin' A&M" -Leach et al
by imisswesttexas on Apr 13, 2010 1:36 PM CDT up reply actions
He was an asst. coach at Clemson
but you’re correct, he is an WVU grad and waiting for that job to open up might have played a part too. It’s funny to look back at what might have been. Myers wasn’t even going to interview Leach. Link but now we are told we should be thankful for Myers’ brilliance in giving Leach his chance.
"If you get caught up in a tickle fight, you won't get your cotton crop in on time."
- Old Dimmitt proverb
by San Antonio Red Raider on Apr 13, 2010 1:54 PM CDT up reply actions
I'm just thankful that myers
does not make poo in his pants in public
"There's going to be ups and downs but you have to enjoy the battle." Mike Leach
not sure I understand why or what would prompt the admin
to want offensive minded coach…….two Doak Walker Award winners…….BJ Tolliver record setting passer…Dick Winder OC…………………………
oh yeah, myers the mastermind………………offensive genius……………ever watch one of his games? like watching paint dry.
"There's going to be ups and downs but you have to enjoy the battle." Mike Leach
Remember Myers "no dunking" clause?
Oscar Myers thought the slam dunk in basketball was “too flashy” – Oscar also told Tom Penders his style of basketball would never work in the SWC when he joined Texas. Tom’s Horns Myers teams’ asses right out of the gym every time.
I did not like the dunk when it first was allowed either.
It was very different from the more skillful game that was being played…the dunk led to the current more physical game that is being played…I admit, it is very entertaining as well.
women should put pictures of missing husbands on beer cans
Also
Spike Dykes wanted at least another year to try and turn around the program. But Myers and his buddies felt they needed to make the change immediately, offering no grace period whatever. His situation sort of reminded me of when Jerry Jones bought the Cowboys and removed Tom Landry, who wanted at least one more year to try to turn the Cowboys around. The difference is that Jones OWNS the Cowboys. Texas Tech is a PUBLIC institution. With Leach, he was STILL winning and drawing a lot of attention to Tech from all around the country. While the other examples were persons who were on a downward trend and were released to make way for change. Leach was hoodwinked a whole year before his “firing” by a group of rich Tech supporters who never fully accepted the changes Leach instituted when he arrived at Tech, even though they wanted that change. All-in-all, just a big mess, and it is time for bed. Goodnight, Chet.
TTpilk Psalm 117:
1 ¶ O praise the LORD, all ye nations: praise him, all ye people.
2 For his merciful kindness is great toward us: and the truth of the LORD endureth for ever. Praise ye the LORD.
Here's Johnny
I can’t help think about Tubs getting railroaded at Auburn by a rich booster. Maybe that’s what’s behind his remarks and his praise for Baby Kathy, maybe he’s smoozing the good old boys here to make sure that doesn’t happen again. He’s bound to have met Sowell during his round of meet & greets.
I’ll have a hard time respecting a dedicated ass-kisser.
"I’ve established a reputation for integrity. I have maintained those high standards" - Craig James
I feel like I should clarify....
I am no Spike lover, while at every one of tha games while he was still here, his brand of football was boring, and I welcomed the hiring of Leach.
"We have a running game at Tech......sometimes we throw short passes." -Mike Leach
I know, its scary when TTUMAR and I agree on much of anything.
"There's going to be ups and downs but you have to enjoy the battle." Mike Leach
just don't let it happen again.
"We have a running game at Tech......sometimes we throw short passes." -Mike Leach
I was/am a Spike lover....
And I was not upset about the change to Leach…
Spike left with his dignity intact and evidently with only a few insiders like yourself aware that he was forced out…
That’s just far too different from what happened last December for me to draw any meaningful comparisons…
Now if you just want to say that a few people weren’t happy when Leach was brought in (a minority) and he won them over by winning on the field…. I can go along with that…
by Houston Raider on Apr 13, 2010 11:37 AM CDT up reply actions
You're always so generous.
Thank you for understanding that I am a mere mortal and could never understand why my simple mind can’t comprehend your complex comparisons, analogies, and updates on Tech football. You own the facts, the rest of us just rent them.
If I keep practicing though, and study my Tech history, someday I will be as enlightened and can stand toe to toe in these discussions.
"If you get caught up in a tickle fight, you won't get your cotton crop in on time."
- Old Dimmitt proverb
by San Antonio Red Raider on Apr 13, 2010 10:43 AM CDT up reply actions
Who did it?
Tell me right now SARR and I will have them taken out. Who pissed in your Cheerios this morning that led you to take the blosphere and different opinions so personal today?
"We have a running game at Tech......sometimes we throw short passes." -Mike Leach
by TTUMAR on Apr 13, 2010 11:28 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions
not sure about sarr, but
I got the “call” from my accountant this morning……………
"There's going to be ups and downs but you have to enjoy the battle." Mike Leach
so, I guess you need to take out the government......
and any elected or appointed person in quote/unquote athority.
"There's going to be ups and downs but you have to enjoy the battle." Mike Leach
hint
start with hance and myers
"There's going to be ups and downs but you have to enjoy the battle." Mike Leach
Well ok but...
“But if I kill all the golfers they will like me up and throw away the key.”
"We have a running game at Tech......sometimes we throw short passes." -Mike Leach
by TTUMAR on Apr 13, 2010 12:13 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Not golfers you idiot,
GOPHERS!!!!
by TheScarletandTheBlack on Apr 13, 2010 1:07 PM CDT up reply actions
well played
IMWTx
"We thought we were too good to play Texas Effin' A&M" -Leach et al
by imisswesttexas on Apr 13, 2010 1:38 PM CDT up reply actions
Speaking in absolutes has it's dangers....
My ‘wonder twin power’ sense is that his debate with you was his opinions versus your ‘facts’. Spike’s brand of football had run it’s course (IMO) and I dare say that isn’t the case with mike. Both may have been run off, but all comparisons end there.
"Life is short, tell me how you really feel"- me
by oldschoolraider on Apr 13, 2010 1:34 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
It was definitely a "mutual" agreement.
Sorta like the Katfish departure from Auburn.
But there is no comparison between Spike’s last days and Mike’s last days. Spike was able to leave with some dignity (even though the on field performance was on a downward trend). Mike was run out of town with on field performance still moving up. Don’t make me chart this.
"If you get caught up in a tickle fight, you won't get your cotton crop in on time."
- Old Dimmitt proverb
by San Antonio Red Raider on Apr 13, 2010 10:55 AM CDT up reply actions
Agree, AND
Spike has been invited back, awarded, etc. I doubt that the Captain will ever have that day in Lubbock again (except when the judge passed judgement for him)
"There's going to be ups and downs but you have to enjoy the battle." Mike Leach
Close...But also miles appart
I keep thinking about your post. I certainly see your point about how coach Leach was received in Lubbock the first 1-2 years. But I think that was more of a factor of him being TOTALLY different than anything West Tx folks had seen before in terms of a FB coach.
Once folks started to understand the scheme a little better and understand coach Leach a little better, they became more comfortable with him. Then over time he became one of us.
And coach Leach was smart enough not to tell folks how to feel about Spike leaving. You can see that coach Leach had/has a great respect for Spike Dykes. I’m a fan of both Leach and Dykes and suspect I’ll be a fan of coach T as well, but it will take time. And getting the first spring practice under your belt doesn’t earn coach T the authority to tell Tech fans how to feel about anything quite frankly.
IMWTx
"We thought we were too good to play Texas Effin' A&M" -Leach et al
by imisswesttexas on Apr 13, 2010 1:56 PM CDT up reply actions
F*ck playing it close,
you tell em.
"There's going to be ups and downs but you have to enjoy the battle." Mike Leach
Can't disagree with any of that I guess.
"We have a running game at Tech......sometimes we throw short passes." -Mike Leach
I like your perspective Tech92
and I find myself agreeing with muc of what you wrote.
I am not sure that Tuberville’s comments are given in the same light as they are interpreted. I find it hard to think that he has any sense of the animosity that rules the message boards when opportunities to vent and re-vent present themselves. Then again he might has more of a sense of that than I give credit.
I take him more at his word in that he saw what happened at Auburn regarding Spring Games and how much he thinks the fans enjoyed it, just as he did the walk, as well as the impact that came to the program…and he wants that for the program at TTU. We have all seen something good, really good, that was foreign to most folks and wanted a way to help people appreciate the possibility…it is a hard sell…at least from my experience.
women should put pictures of missing husbands on beer cans
Let's take TT's comment in another context
Let’s apply his quote as if he was the CEO of Lehman Brothers:
“This is not about any one person who decided to take on a gigantic package of sub-prime loans. It’s not about an accountant who engineered reverse-repo transactions to hide debt on the balance sheet at year end. It’s not about me or anybody else. It’s about Lehman Brothers. If you’ll make it about the bank and make it about the business practices, then you’re headed the right direction. I think if anybody points fingers at the CFO or traders or the Board of Directors, it’s wrong. Because that’s life. You’ve got to overcome obstacles and go on.’’
Problem is the damage these orchestrators did was enough to cause the bank to fail.
You’ve got to point the fingers; you’ve got to fix the inherent problems. Trying to say that we’re part of something bigger than any one person is horse manure because any one person can bring that house down if they want . I believe Oscar Meyers is doing his best to achieve this end.
It’s a bad tactic to try to illicit feelings that we’re all working toward the greater good and need to think of the collective in everything we’re doing – especially when you’ve got a fan base as pissed off as this one. Let sleeping dogs lie Mister T.
Nice analogy
"This time it's different."
by LondonRaider on Apr 13, 2010 9:48 AM CDT up reply actions
especially two days before April 15
when we all get to pay for those mistakes in judgement and the idea that little people are too stupid to understand the hole we dig.
"There's going to be ups and downs but you have to enjoy the battle." Mike Leach
by blackbeard on Apr 13, 2010 10:31 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Outstanding analogy
People make up organizations and institutions. I don’t love Texas Tech because it has a beautiful library (sarc) or because I like the school colors. I love Texas Tech because of the people that are associated with it. Friends, my wife, professors, classmates, Wes Welker, Sheryl Swoopes, Billy Joe Tolliver, Saddle Tramps, my mom (who worked in the administration building for 20 years), Mike Leach, Darvin Ham, E.J. Holub, the girls in football jersies walking around tailgates, these people are “Texas Tech” to me. I don’t blindly embrace the Double T brand, I embrace the people that make up that brand. When someone tarnishes that vision of mine, I have every right to point my finger and demand accountability.
"If you get caught up in a tickle fight, you won't get your cotton crop in on time."
- Old Dimmitt proverb
by San Antonio Red Raider on Apr 13, 2010 9:48 AM CDT up reply actions
Agree, and nothing damages the Double T brand more than mediocrity.
When I read Tech92 say things like “The people who make the decisions regarding the fate of our administration are on board with what happened”, and then read that Myers has no achievement standards for the coaches that are not winning, I worry about our brand and the people that make up that brand as well.
Nothing is thoroughly approved but mediocrity. The majority has established this, and it fixes its fangs on whatever gets beyond it either way.
- Blaise Pascal
"Winning isn't everything"... Bob Knight
by raider realist on Apr 13, 2010 10:04 AM CDT up reply actions
SARR, you forgot to mention (in your list of Tech people)
BLACKBEARD!!!!!!!
"There's going to be ups and downs but you have to enjoy the battle." Mike Leach
that's funny because I almost included a few from DTN- including you
"If you get caught up in a tickle fight, you won't get your cotton crop in on time."
- Old Dimmitt proverb
by San Antonio Red Raider on Apr 13, 2010 10:47 AM CDT up reply actions
That's been the government reaction so far.
God forbid we tighten any rules on banking practices.
John Hancock
overblown?
You guys are getting a lil too riled up. You really think that Tubs can be silent on the Leach fiasco forever? He just said his piece, and we are all up in arms over it. That is Tubs opinion, just like we have ours on the situation. I dont agree with what Tubs said but take it with a grain of salt. There are people accountable here and they need to pay the piper. Thats me speel, nuff said.
New TE’s? cool. Of course our O and D lines look a little thin….we still havent found the guys to nail down those positions yet. Its still spring so we got awhile to get things sorted.
What do you call a Serbian with an insatiable desire for sweets with only one nad (in his throat)?
CHOCOHOLICINADINHISNECKDARKOINSKIVICHSKI
more like "blown-over"
TT thinks a stiff West Texas wind can blow all this crap under the rug by appealing to the collective? Maybe I am too riled up over this, but I don’t let go easily – not with things I love or that I’m passionate about. There wasn’t much thought put into theses words – just some good old boy catch phrases to try to “rally the troops” to get in line and forget the past. Eff that – I’ve got a memory like an elephant.
I'm usually wrong but...
You really think that Tubs can be silent on the Leach fiasco forever?
Why can’t he be silent on the Leach fiasco forever? I really think that he could and am unsure why my belief is irrational.
Also, even if “forever” is the qualifier that makes it impossible for Tubs to remain silent on the issue, Leach was fired less than five months ago. If I was working for him, I’d suggest that the day after his first football victory at Texas Tech is the absolute soonest he should even begin thinking about jumping into that shit-storm.
by Skin Patrol on Apr 13, 2010 11:42 AM CDT up reply actions
It must be awkward
to be Tubs. You replace a man that was pushed out kicking and screaming. You have a contingent of fans that still have admiration for the former coach. Tubs is doing his best to unite the red raider faithful. How can you be in his position and NOT avoid talking about the debacle of mike leach? The questions were gonna get asked anyways, and he is gonna have to respond in some form or fashion. Tubs is doing the best he can with what he’s got right now. Cant fault the guy for trying. I would be worried if he was mum on the whole subject to be honest. This is about justice being served. The admin and BOR will be gone,the captain will be “resolved of his transgressions”, and we, the fans, can give the captain his due that he so rightfully deserves.
What do you call a Serbian with an insatiable desire for sweets with only one nad (in his throat)?
CHOCOHOLICINADINHISNECKDARKOINSKIVICHSKI
by wrench_raider on Apr 13, 2010 1:09 PM CDT up reply actions
exactly what time will all of the above take place?
I want to have plenty of beer and chips to watch that happen.
"There's going to be ups and downs but you have to enjoy the battle." Mike Leach
when all the admin is
either dead/retired
and the BOR is disbanded
There will be no peace for us or the Captain until there is a changing of the guard.
What do you call a Serbian with an insatiable desire for sweets with only one nad (in his throat)?
CHOCOHOLICINADINHISNECKDARKOINSKIVICHSKI
by wrench_raider on Apr 13, 2010 1:28 PM CDT up reply actions
Aboluby baby
F*ck playing it close, we lost the god damn game to the University of Texas and we could’ve won the mother f*cker.
So then, we get on a roll, we do some good things, and we play Texas A&M. And we lost our f*cking ass ’cause we thought we were too good to play Texas f*cking A&M.
"There's going to be ups and downs but you have to enjoy the battle." Mike Leach
You need to do that more often.
" Answers --Become Resources."
Without Questions, There are limited Resources...
I think Tuberville is trying to stay away from the Leach business...
I also think that his words are misinterpreted because of the Leach business.
The smartest thing that he can do, and I believe he knows it, is to avoid it, it is not his issue, his issue is the current team and moving that to whatever success he can help create.
women should put pictures of missing husbands on beer cans
Go on. Be a Tiger.
Going back to the Tiger Woods reference, whether or not Tiger might have won the Master’s doesn’t change the fact that he cheated on his wife, deceived his sponsors or banged one porn star after another.
In contrast, Mickelson’s brilliant victory and struggle to support to his cancer-stricken wife and mother has captivated America.
My wife now hates Tiger Woods and loves Phil Mickelson – and she had no idea who he was.
We love winners. We love winners who embody what is right.
Do you honestly believe that potentially winning an extra game or two a year is going to change people’s opinions about the administration’s actions, especially if it is revealed that the administration was engaged in reprehensible activity?
The administration is putting all of its chips on one massive bet.
They hope that the facts of the case will not be made public, and they also hope that winning will wash away the stains of their sins.
But hope is not a plan.
You can argue that the administration hopes that the facts will vindicate their decision, but that’s what the due process they denied Leach was meant to reconcile.
We all know that didn’t happen.
"This time it's different."
by LondonRaider on Apr 13, 2010 10:59 AM CDT reply actions 1 recs
A1 ATTABOY
Despite what Lombari said, winning is not everything. Character matters to Blackbeard.
"There's going to be ups and downs but you have to enjoy the battle." Mike Leach
Actually...
Vince Lombardi said winning is not everything. Henry Russell was the one who said it was the only thing.
by Skin Patrol on Apr 13, 2010 11:36 AM CDT up reply actions
The motto of Vince Lombardi High School
in the classic 1978 film “Rock and Roll High School” was “Winning is Better Than Losing”.
Oh and you’ll have to wear these headphones. We’ve been having mice explode all over the place today.
John Hancock
I sure thought that "Winning is better than losing" was coined by
“Nuke” LeLuche – rooky pitcher for the Durham Bulls.
"There's going to be ups and downs but you have to enjoy the battle." Mike Leach
Why's he calling me meat? I'm the one drivin' a Porsche.
"If you get caught up in a tickle fight, you won't get your cotton crop in on time."
- Old Dimmitt proverb
by San Antonio Red Raider on Apr 13, 2010 1:46 PM CDT up reply actions
You don't need a quadraphonic Blaupunkt -- you need a curve ball.
the fact that I quoted Tim Robbins earlier, even if it is one of the greatest sports movies of all time, just made me vomit in my mouth a lil bit
"For the love of the game" was better for me.
"There's going to be ups and downs but you have to enjoy the battle." Mike Leach
and finally
What we’ll all be saying this time next year with Red Raider football…“How the hell did we ever win 8?”
lol. classic
IMWTx
"We thought we were too good to play Texas Effin' A&M" -Leach et al
by imisswesttexas on Apr 13, 2010 2:52 PM CDT up reply actions
Hell of a movie. I choke up everytime.
Not because of the sappy love story, but when he’s talking about missing the feel of the dirt under his cleats….. got goosebumps just not talking about it. I miss playing ball, I really do.
"The world is made for people who aren't cursed with self awareness. "
We’re looking at you Myers…
"Winning isn't everything"... Bob Knight
by raider realist on Apr 13, 2010 1:55 PM CDT up reply actions
candle sticks make a nice gift
Can someone bring a live rooster to the Spring Game? Apparently both Sticks and Potts have been cursed to injuries by their girlfriends.
IMWTx
"We thought we were too good to play Texas Effin' A&M" -Leach et al
by imisswesttexas on Apr 13, 2010 2:07 PM CDT up reply actions
I'm certain that SARR has "taken care of" the rooster.
"There's going to be ups and downs but you have to enjoy the battle." Mike Leach
we've got a lot of sh#t going on
"If you get caught up in a tickle fight, you won't get your cotton crop in on time."
- Old Dimmitt proverb
by San Antonio Red Raider on Apr 13, 2010 2:09 PM CDT up reply actions
"its a simple game"
"There's going to be ups and downs but you have to enjoy the battle." Mike Leach
I'm old enough to say for certain that 1978 came before 1988 (Bull Durham)
But borrowing is a great tradition in show bidness. The Replacements coined the phrase “A Rebel Without a Clue” in their song “I’ll Be You” in 1989. Then in 1991 Tom Petty used the line in “Into The Great Wide Open”. Petty did call Paul Westerberg & ask if he could use it.
John Hancock
Another great point LR
Tech could run the table in 2010, beat Texas by four touchdowns and win the National Championship. I’d be alongside everyone else cheering my ass off and celebrating. But even in the afterglow it would still feel like something is missing. It would still feel like someone was left behind.
Winning is alot but it’s not everything.
"If you get caught up in a tickle fight, you won't get your cotton crop in on time."
- Old Dimmitt proverb
by San Antonio Red Raider on Apr 13, 2010 11:20 AM CDT up reply actions
Exactly LR when your Leadership demonstrates that they don't deserve the trust placed in them it makes you question..
..their decison making capacity. So when you crap on an employee, – who happens to be your best advertiser, not to mentiion well liked.. stop me.. – ignore the fairness rule, collude with outsiders and then profess your hands were tied. Well people start wondering where you dropped your common sense off at. To us uninformed outsiders it appears you dropped your common sense in the toilet.
"do routine things routinely"
by centexraider on Apr 13, 2010 11:36 AM CDT up reply actions
I think you think the powers that be actually care about what happened. The long and short of allllll of this is even if Leach wins some extra money, there won’t be a massive housecleaning at Tech. Then what?
Tiger analogy is perfect here.
My wife was the same way (though she knows who Tiger is and she says Lefty isn’t a closer). Had he won The Masters, she would have been flat pissed and I would have been disappointed.
There is something about not only winning, but doing things that right way. It’s about integrity and Tiger has ZERO.
And I suspect I can add the Belltower boys to that category as well (maybe not all though). I keep thinking Bailey was an unwilling participant. But that’s just me being naive.
IMWTx
"We thought we were too good to play Texas Effin' A&M" -Leach et al
by imisswesttexas on Apr 13, 2010 1:47 PM CDT up reply actions
Although... I in a way feel sorry for Woods.
This whole deal got carried on for far too long. He never proclaimed to be perfect in life. If it were someone like Tim Tebow or Kurt Warner, then yeah! Get ‘em! They are hypocrites. He screwed up, I’ll concede that point. But sheesh!!! It’s been 4 months! The media needs to get off of it! Alex Rodriguez got caught having an affair with Madonna and on steroids within a year of each other….. they mentioned it for maybe a week tops. Why so much more scrutiny on Tiger? He’s a man that plays golf and makes mistakes.
Coach Prunty
pays dividends AGAIN!!!
Former Laurens and Union quarterback Bo Whitney (6-4, 230) is heading to Texas Tech in June to play tight end. Whitney attended Hargrave (Va.) Prep last fall and played tight end. He was going to walk on at Clemson until former Hargrave coach Robert Prunty offered him a full scholarship to return and play quarterback. Then Prunty went to Texas Tech, and new Red Raiders coach Tommy Tuberville contacted Whitney about joining his program as a tight end. Whitney said he will pay his own way his first semester with a chance to get a scholarship in January.
“I just can’t turn this opportunity down,” Whitney said.
The Lyle Leong Bandwagon will Continue to Roll!!!
Respect Everyone....Fear No One!
Wreck 'em, Tech!
by Tortilla Pirate on Apr 13, 2010 12:56 PM CDT reply actions
my 2 cents
I think this is a classic case of getting a little too relaxed with things and letting your guard down.
Coach T was going along fine. Always complimenting coach Leach and all he’d done. Never critical of the recent history. Staying out of the Tech v Leach discussion for the most part.
Then spring practice rolls around and we start talking bout football and the lawsuit is back-burner stuff. And then coach T lets his guard down and goes and tells folks how to feel. BAD MOVE.
If anything, this simply brings the discussion back to the forefront. Fans still have a strong feeling for coach Leach. Coach T would be smart to stay the hell out of it and spend his time talking football.
Let the 3 gentlewomen deal with the Leach situation.
IMWTx
"We thought we were too good to play Texas Effin' A&M" -Leach et al
I agree 100%
It’s not that there is something that COULD be said, the point is SHOULD we being still talking about it? To your point, all we can do is open old wounds………….and put SARRS panties in a wad.
"We have a running game at Tech......sometimes we throw short passes." -Mike Leach
Deep wounds take a long time to heal ....if ever.
When the belltower infection is removed, it may heal.
"There's going to be ups and downs but you have to enjoy the battle." Mike Leach
Somebody has been studying their flowcharts this afternoon
"If you get caught up in a tickle fight, you won't get your cotton crop in on time."
- Old Dimmitt proverb
by San Antonio Red Raider on Apr 13, 2010 4:20 PM CDT up reply actions
Delusional?
Has Tommy Boy discovered hallucinogenic catfish? Or is he just deaf, dumb and blind like his pinball-playing namesake?
"Nah, Adam’s handled it real well,’’ Tuberville said. "Fans have handled it great here. I’ve heard nothing but positive. There could’ve been a lot more negative said about what’s gone on, but it goes on.
The few students I’ve heard from say Adamina is a pariah on campus. Every blog, message board, and comment section blasts him routinely. Where does Tubs get off saying the fans are in love baby White Shoes? Is he really that out of touch or is he practicing to be a politician?
"I’ve established a reputation for integrity. I have maintained those high standards" - Craig James
hmmmmm, never heard of a hallucinogenic catfish burrito dubie
so I wonder, would you get hungry or crave a smoke? or just crave Christy Brinkley?
"There's going to be ups and downs but you have to enjoy the battle." Mike Leach
I agree that Tubs needs to be careful when talking about Leach.
No one will be won over until he gets some wins. He needs to avoid talking about it as much as possible, and I agree with the above statment that if he was indeed just defending “Lauren James” (Awesome Seth!), he needs to be straightforward about it.
I am still excited about Tech's prospectus this coming season.
By forcing the issue on defense, they may give up a few big plays, but they will also be able to cause more turnovers than ever before. Give and Take,m so to speak, with the take winning out.
My one concern is the continued theme of the new regime of shielding James the younger. Why in tar do they feel they MUST defend him. The less said, the better things will be, I think. By harping on this without provocation, or even giving in to any such statements and feeling they must reply, only exacerbates the situation. My feelings are that James the younger will eventually show his stripes, or lack thereof and the coaching staff will respond appropriately. No preferential treatment, please, for anyone. All positions are open for competition, with the best one winning the slot. The same SHOULD be expected for those that do NOT compete well enough to win a place on the playing roster. I have a feeling that is where the younger will end up, if what is right with the world actually transpires as it should. Now, until there is reason to say more, I shall refrain from saying anything else on this sticky issue.
The new TE Whitney has the type body that will work well in the few times a TE will be needed, so that position should be filled pretty good if he is any kind of athlete at all.
TTpilk Psalm 117:
1 ¶ O praise the LORD, all ye nations: praise him, all ye people.
2 For his merciful kindness is great toward us: and the truth of the LORD endureth for ever. Praise ye the LORD.

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