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New Email Causes Leach to Request Sanctions

LondonRaider on Vacation:  If you're at all wondering why esteemed DTN writer LondonRaider hasn't chimed in on the latest filings, it's because he's on vacation (first time in four years), trying to enjoy some time away from work and the Saga of Mike Leach.  He'll be back shortly, but he just wanted everyone to know that he's trying to stay in the good graces of his wife by not writing a ten page paper on the latest fired shots.

Sitton Email Causes S#!$ Storm:  LAJ's Matthew McGowan wrote yesterday that former regent Windy Sitton sent an email to current regent Jerry Turner, who, on December 30, 2009, expressed her displeasure with the head coach Mike Leach's firing.  The email (which I haven't found) said, in part:

"Jerry, I know his firing has been in the works since the chancellor and the (athletic director) were outmaneuvered by Leach," she wrote. "The problem rests with arrogance of the chancellor and the ineptness of the A.D."

Sitton's off the cuff remarks seem to reflect the feelings of many of the folks that frequent DTN, but this isn't the end of the story.

Sitton has now signed an affidavit, yesterday in fact, that essentially says that she sent this email in haste without knowing all of the facts and she takes it all back.  Sitton also says that she had no knowledge that the firing was actually in the works and only had the version of facts from Leach.  My first thought with this is that I'd love to see if there was a follow-up email from Turner to Sitton or Sitton to Turner where everything was explained.  I'd also be interested to know if there was a conversation between these two. 

I also thought it was somewhat humorous as Sitton makes the following remark in the last paragraph of her affidavit:

"Again, I regret the remarks that I made in my email about Mr. Hance and Mr. Myers, as I know them to be loyal and steadfast supporters and alumni of Texas Tech University."

The humorous part (to me) is that she doesn't specifically take back her remarks regarding Hance's arrogance and Myer's ineptness.  I find somewhat comical that it's not just the folks that frequent DTN that feel this way and Sitton's excuse that her comments were made in haste seem irrelevant because it doesn't seem that those aren't the type of feelings that are established by one incident, no matter how serious that event actually was.  Those seem like the type of feelings that are built up over time of dealing with an AD and a Chancellor while being a regent.

On the other side of the fence, LAJ's Matthew Mcgowan writes that Leach attorneys are asking for sanctions on Texas Tech for failing to turn over the email, while Texas Tech attorneys are saying it's not that big of a deal.  Texas Tech attorney Dicky Gregg said this:

"They didn't ask for it, so we didn't produce it," said Dicky Grigg, who's representing Tech. "It doesn't seem to me that it's that big a deal. They're trying to make everything into a huge deal. Next, they're going to say that Hance, Myers and Bailey were involved in the assassination of President Kennedy. They're going to have some document. This is just so bizarre."

Mcgowan writes that Leach's attorney's believe that Sitton's email makes it clear that those in power at Texas Tech intended to fire Leach as part of a conspiracy and that this would further help the Leach side with Texas Tech's sovereign immunity defense:

The e-mail, he said, also reinforces their argument university officials had ulterior motives that should dissolve the school's sovereign immunity, which would shield the university from the lawsuit as a state institution.

Dobrowski demanded answers Thursday in an e-mail he sent to Assistant Attorney General Daniel Perkins. He asked Perkins to explain why Tech chose not to release the information.

In his response, Perkins claims the e-mail was beyond the scope of the subpoena. Although his legal team knew of the document's existence, it was deemed irrelevant.

"We have complied with all of Judge Sowder's admonitions, and we certainly haven't 'rat-holed' any documents," Perkins replied.

I've said it all this week and I think it's important to say it again, the sovereign immunity defense is a very real defense and although I can't say that I understand all of the intricacies of the defense I know that if Leach can clear the sovereign immunity defense then Texas Tech will be back-peddling a bit.  But the hearing for next week is going to be a huge hearing for both sides.

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Windy Sitton seems to be a good judge of character.

"There's going to be ups and downs but you have to enjoy the battle." Mike Leach

by blackbeard on May 7, 2010 6:47 AM CDT reply actions  

Yes

But why did she half way recant and can we get her to help get the final answers public. It would be nice to have someone on the inside provide us with definitive answers and help rectify this situation which probably would include a settlement with Leach and the eventual removal of at least two of the three stooges (Hance and Myers).

"But Oz never did give nothing to the Tin Man that he didn't, didn't already have" - Tin Man by America

by cweber7377 on May 7, 2010 7:31 AM CDT up reply actions  

I was an intern for the City of Lubbock's News and Media department

back when I was at Tech and worked with Windy Sitton quite a bit….writing statements, press releases, holding up cue cards, working the camera, broadcasting council meetings, etc (back then the Lubbock N&M dept. consisted of a whopping 4 people, myself the intern included).

From that experience, I can assure you with a great deal of sincerity, that Windy Sitton is every bit as arrogant and inept as those she is criticizing.

But then again, at the executive level, how many people don’t have some degree of arrogance and ineptness? They should almost be requirements for the job.

by 2001Raider on May 7, 2010 9:21 AM CDT up reply actions  

Arrogance and Pride

These two qualities exhibited by both sides are why we are having to see our good school named in the headlines for all the wrong reasons. They need to settle. Tech should just pay Mike the money they owe him. (bonus he is due and buyout his contract). Both sides are at fault…. man up and do what is right to get past this. Guns Up!

Guns Up!

by Brad_R on May 7, 2010 8:06 AM CDT reply actions  

I still say Leach wants more than money.

He wants to have his name cleared and winning this case is his only hope. If he couldn’t even get an interview for the East Carolina job, his return to coaching is in doubt unless he can prove that he doesn’t abuse players.

"You might think that I float, you know, maybe even walk on water and stuff. But, I'm here to tell you that sometimes I drink out of the volcano. I know how to deal with the system. I just gotta ask you- Can I lead you? I wanna put you in my pocket."
- Dennis Chivante

by San Antonio Red Raider on May 7, 2010 8:15 AM CDT up reply actions  

I'm still making the case for Coach Leach

to make an appearance on Celebrity Apprentice next year. Maybe he can redeem himself there by earning money for charities. haha

Now and then we had a hope that if we lived and were good, God would permit us to be pirates. – Life on the Mississippi

by LBKpiratefan on May 7, 2010 8:19 AM CDT up reply actions  

I would watch that.

"You might think that I float, you know, maybe even walk on water and stuff. But, I'm here to tell you that sometimes I drink out of the volcano. I know how to deal with the system. I just gotta ask you- Can I lead you? I wanna put you in my pocket."
- Dennis Chivante

by San Antonio Red Raider on May 7, 2010 8:32 AM CDT up reply actions  

That is the only reality show that I would give a Carrie James’ ass about.

by CRV on May 7, 2010 10:44 AM CDT up reply actions  

Sovereign immunity

This is admittedly outside my area of expertise (assuming I have one) but I did a little research when this whole affair first came up. The rule basically says you can’t sue a state entity unless the state gives you permission. The state can waive this immunity through its actions, a classic example being taking the benefits of a contract and then claiming immunity when it comes time to pay the piper. Sound familiar?

It seems public policy (a common rationale used in court decisions) would also come into play. Rejecting Leach’s contract cause would effectively nullify every coach’s contract in the state, from elite colleges to your local high school. Every buyout clause would be meaningless. No coach could ever rely on bonuses for completion, bowl games, championships, etc. Schools could promise the moon without any legal obligation at all.

This applies only to Leach’s breach of contract claims. I wouldn’t bet a beer on his other claims surviving. I suspect his lawyers know this but filed them simply to broaden discovery and to get the rest of the story into the press. This opinion is worth exactly what you paid for it.

"I’ve established a reputation for integrity. I have maintained those high standards" - Craig James

by TechFirst on May 7, 2010 8:14 AM CDT reply actions  

A few responses...

None of the below is designed to weigh in on whether Leach gets poured out on the sovereign immunity issue. That is specific to the case.

The rule basically says you can’t sue a state entity unless the state gives you permission. The state can waive this immunity through its actions, a classic example being taking the benefits of a contract and then claiming immunity when it comes time to pay the piper. Sound familiar?

The rule is statutory, which bears on the “public policy” issues presented below, discussed in more detail momentarily.

The truth of the proposition that the state can waive immunity by conduct depends on who you ask. Some Courts of Appeals have addressed waiver by conduct in extraordinary circumstances. The Texas Supreme Court has never explicitly recognized the waiver by conduct exception to sovereign, immunity, at least so far as I can tell. To the contrary, at least in a somewhat typical breach of contract case, the Supreme Court explicitly rejected waiver by conducted in Texas A&M Univ. Sys. v. Koseoglu (“[Plaintiff] advances a waiver-by-conduct argument (i.e., that Texas A&M waived its immunity from suit by accepting benefits under its alleged contract with Koseoglu), but we have consistently rejected that position[.]” If a “classic example” of waiver is the taking the benefits of a contract and then claiming immunity, you’ll need to square that with the Supreme Court’s holding in Gen. Servs. Comm’n v. Little-Tex Insulation Co., which states: "the State does not waive its immunity from a
breach-of-contract action by accepting the benefits of a contract." It is well-established enough law so that I feel comfortable stating, unambiguously, state entities do not waive sovereign immunity merely because they enter into contracts and breach those contracts. That may strike you as bizarre — it strikes me as unfair — but it is still the law. Courts were rejecting sovereign immunity under the common law because the doctrine, which has its historical basis in English common law that protected the King from being sued in courts he provided (which for obvious reasons became dated very early in our country’s history). But the courts were very quickly rebuked by federal and state legislatures, including Texas, which promptly passed broad sovereign immunity statutes to protect themselves.

In any event, without even depending on the law, it cannot be the case that “taking the benefits of a contract and then claiming immunity when it comes time to pay the piper” is a waiver of sovereign immunity because if it were so, sovereign immunity is meaningless. If the act of breaching a contract and then refusing your own liability under immunity is enough to waive immunity, then there is no protection for the state. And yet there is.


It seems public policy (a common rationale used in court decisions) would also come into play. Rejecting Leach’s contract cause would effectively nullify every coach’s contract in the state, from elite colleges to your local high school. Every buyout clause would be meaningless. No coach could ever rely on bonuses for completion, bowl games, championships, etc. Schools could promise the moon without any legal obligation at all.

I think this is a nice touch, it is creative, and it may well have some legs. But public policy arguments depend in large part on defining “public policy” which starts and ends with what the legislature does. Despite widespread criticism to the contrary, courts are not all that free to insert their own interpretations of “public policy” against clear statements by the legislature (through statutes) of what they think the public policy is. And if the statutes provide overwhelming, broad, and air-tight protection for the states in the form of sovereign immunity, it is going to be very difficult for anyone to argue to a court that entire pages of statutes need to be ignored on the grounds that the public policy is not what the public’s representatives say it is.

But even if the legislature were silent on the issue, it’s not apparent to me at all that “public policy” requires this contract be enforced. A large portion of the construction industry involves public jobs. The participants have a pretty good sense that their state-clients are very difficult to sue. Does that mean the contracts they sign are worthless except for the value of the paper? Maybe, if you need to enforce your rights against the state in a court. Yet construction companies enter into these contracts frequently. Lee Lewis is building our stadium. Why would he do that if the contract were difficult to enforce in a court?

Because the state pays a shitload of money. Because Lee Lewis doesn’t anticipate the state walking away because it will do a great job, or thinks it will do a great job. The clauses are “meaningless” to the law if courts cannot interpret them because sovereign immunity applies. But that doesn’t mean they are “meaningless” in the business world, where people tend to follow their promises even without the threat of litigation, because business reasons necessitate that. The state plays a dangerous game when it fucks over people on its contracts, because future contracts are more difficult to negotiate when one of the parties knows the other will not play nice and cannot be forced to play nice in a court. Just because a contract is (potentially) legally “meaningless” doesn’t mean there is some public policy necessity to enforce the contracts legally, particularly if those same contracts will be entered into with or without the court’s enforcement. Have you ever entered into a wager with one of your friends? Did you know gambling agreements are illegal and therefore unenforceable at all? Why would you enter into a contract with a friend that was unenforceable?

Why might Leach or Coach TT? Because they are offered millions of dollars to do what they love. I would happily quit my job tomorrow and become the head coach of any state university in the country for one million dollars, with or without any guarantee that I could hold the other party to their end of the contract legally. It is worth the risk. Hence why it MAY not be the case that public policy demands these kinds of contracts be legally enforced… particularly if the legislature has said repeatedly that they should not be legally enforceable against the state.

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by Skin Patrol on May 7, 2010 11:11 AM CDT up reply actions  

The University Cannot Legislate Outside It's Expressed Policies and Procedures

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According to Leach’s attorney, here is what the sovereign immunity rule hinges on related to Leach’s case:

From the Daily Toreador – April 19, 2010; paragraph 13

One of Tech’s defenses in this case has been the sovereign immunity claim, which points out that an individual cannot sue the state, of which Tech is a branch.

But Leach’s attorneys believe the Tech administration has waived that through numerous causes, such as the Board of Regents making its own policies and procedures, therefore acting as its own legislative body.

The TTU Operating Policies and Procedures must be written and followed verbatim in accordance with the State Education Code and all laws of the State.

The University’s regents and administrators appear to had decided to act as their own legislative body and not afford Coach Leach that which is expressly written in the Operating Policies and Procedures under the grievance process, both at the time of his suspension and eventual termination.

The procedure itself even goes so far as to state that the grievant/party may so elect to file the grievance/complaint “with any external agency or court…”

OP 70.10: Non-faculty Employee Complaint and Grievance Procedures (pdf)

PURPOSE: Texas Tech University/Texas Tech University System (TTU/TTUS) is an at-will employer. Employment is for an indefinite duration and can be terminated at any time. Nothing in this or any other TTU/TTUS policy constitutes an employment agreement, either express or implied, a contract, a contract relationship, a guarantee of continued employment, or a property right. The purpose of this Operating Policy/Procedure (OP) is to establish a procedure to provide fair, consistent, and prompt internal consideration of complaints and grievances and provide resolution when possible. In the event the employee files substantially the same issues as the grievance or complaint before or during this procedure with any external agency or court, the employee may elect to remove such issues of grievance or complaint from further consideration through this process.

It appears to me that on the face of the approved Operating Policies and Procedures the University waives it’s ability to claim sovereign immunity insofar as the Regents and administrators legislated outside the approved policies and procedures.

To conclude: If in the event no out of court settlement is reached between now and next Friday, my personal belief is that no matter which way the judge rules on the sovereign immunity issue, it will be immediately appealed to a higher court.

Old_Ghostrider
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"The difference between a successful person and others is not a lack of strength, not a lack of knowledge, but rather a lack of will." What Craig James never taught the prima donna.

by Old_Ghostrider on May 8, 2010 11:43 PM CDT up reply actions  

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I want to repeat that my analysis of sovereign immunity is by no means correct, nor was it ever intended to disprove Leach’s claim. It may very well be the case that Texas Tech waived sovereign immunity. I was merely responding to the assertion that Texas Tech waived sovereign immunity by enjoying the use of its employment contract with Mike Leach. That assertion is directly contrary to multiple Texas Supreme Court holdings, and common sense. (If the mere breaching of a contract were all that were necessary to waive sovereign immunity, then there is no protection; if it only applies when the state doesn’t breach a contract, there is no need for protection from suit.)

Having re-read Leach’s 4th Amended Petition, particularly Section C (TTU Expressly Waives Sovereign Immunity in Leach’s Contract and Leach Relies Upon that Promise in Executing the Contract) pertaining to Leach’s legal team’s arguments for waiver, a few observations:

- I am not sure the reliance argument is any different from the breach of contract argument. Plaintiff’s mere reliance on a promise by the state that they will not breach the contract cannot be the requisite waiver of sovereign immunity for the reason that it is always the case that plaintiff’s will be capable of claiming fraudulent inducement or detrimental reliance or whatever it is they need to get around “breach of contract.” But that probably isn’t going to be a recognized means around sovereign immunity, for the reason that it would be just another exception that swallows the rule. So far as I can tell the Supreme Court has never held that plaintiff’s reliance on either the contract or some other action by the governmental entity is enough to get around sovereign immunity, the closest I found is a case where, when the state has no sovereign immunity and then enters into a settlement agreement with the plaintiff, it cannot rely on sovereign immunity to void the settlement agreement (obviously).

- Although I have not done a lot of legal research on the subject, I presume that Leach’s lawyers have and if the Supreme Court had agreed with their interpretation of the law, they’d have found those cases. They didn’t. The arguments they presented, that you’ve cited, are very creative, are very interesting, but are not supported by a whole lot of case law. The entire universe of cases that Leach’s lawyers cite are:

Roberts v. Haragan, an unpublished opinion out of the N.D. of Texas, and Bache Halsey Stuart Shields, Inc. v. University of Houston, a 28 year old case out of the 1st District Houston Court of Appeals. Neither case is binding on the Texas Supreme Court (indeed, the N.D. of Texas is a Federal Court and would have no bearing on state law anyways, even if it were published, but as it isn’t it has no precedential value even iin the N.D. of Texas). A quick read of Haragan reveals that it has nothing to do with the present controversy; it involved a plaintiff’s claim that Tech’s university policy was unconstitutional. That’s not at issue in the present case at all.

Bache might have some great language for Coach Leach, but it represents old law. I believe the sovereign immunity statutes were passed after that opinion, meaning any dicta it has on sovereign immunity (which is almost none) is irrelevant. In any event, that case involved very different circumstances than the present case.

Both are cited merely for the proposition that University actions are binding as acts of the legislature. That’s a very clever argument, but not necessarily one that is supported by Texas Supreme Court law and, worse yet, it goes too far. If taken seriously, it would mean that every breach of employment contract case against Texas Tech University bypasses sovereign immunity, for the mere fact that they’ve issued Grievance Procedures. (One might note that, surely Texas A&M, along with every other university in the state, has enacted similar procedures, but that didn’t save Koseglu.) That is probably not a result the Supreme Court will be all together comfortable with. Nor should Texas Tech employees, generally, since the effect of such a ruling would be immediate abandonment of Grievance Procedures for Texas Tech University employees. This would be totally contrary to the procedure, which is designed to provide employees fair internal treatment (which is perhaps laughable) AT THEIR REQUEST. So it basically provides an alternative forum that the employee might not otherwise have, particularly if they are about to get thrown out of court on sovereign immunity grounds.

In conclusion, it may well be the case that Texas Tech has waived sovereign immunity. I doubt the mere publishing of Grievance Procedures will get there, for the reasons stated — and we should all wonder whether or not that’s a good result, because it would have fairly dramatic consequences for all state employees, not just members of the Texas Tech University family. It may appear to you (or Leach’s legal team) that the issue is fairly cut-and-dry, but their authority is slim at best. Citing an unpublished N.D. of Texas case along with a 1982 Houston Court of Appeals suggests they don’t have as much firepower as you think they do.

I completely agree that regardless of the district judge’s ruling, there will be an appeal.

Extraordinary circumstances can give rise to waiver, such as tricking a party into a 13M dollar contract and then refusing to pay a dime. But is the present controversy such a case? It isn’t at all clear that there’s even been a breach at all, or it is at least disputed vigorously, and under these circumstances I believe that sovereign immunity is a difficult hurdle.

But what do I know?

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by Skin Patrol on May 9, 2010 10:32 AM CDT up reply actions  

I should have said that neither case will be binding on a West Texas district court. I presume this case is in Lubbock. Neither the Houston Court of Appeals nor the Federal District Court for the N.D. of Texas issue opinions binding on a Lubbock state district court.

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by Skin Patrol on May 9, 2010 10:38 AM CDT up reply actions  

That's what I've been saying

Even if somehow Tech got sov imm. What coach worth a damn would want to do business with them. It’s like welching on a handshake. Their word is no good. It’s like a small mom and pop restaurant or tienda being carried on credit with suppliers, sure, they have the right to file bankruptcy, screw their creditors, and reorganize to stay in business, but good luck getting a produce company to carry you more than cash on delivery. My $.02

Give 'Em Hell Tech!!!!!

by Plano Jeff on May 7, 2010 9:37 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

Maybe the Admin will fix the "cussing in the fight song"

by writing a whole new fight song fashioning their current morals: deceit, lies, cover ups, and corruption.

This is so ridiculous. I am by no means a law expert, but good grief. Can no one be honest in this case?

This is how the case should have gone:

Judge: "Mike, did you make a bad decision?
Leach: “Yup”
Judge: “Belltower Boys, did you fire Mikey because you didn’t want to pay him and had a grudge against him?”
BTB: “Well, yeah.”
Judge: “Ok then, BTB’s you pay up. Mikey, say you’re sorry. Now everyone go home and play nice from now on.”
Mikey and the BTB’s walk out of courtroom shoving and pushing each other, spectator notices a strategically placed “Kick Me” sign on Myers back put there by Ted Ligget

End Scene—

Now and then we had a hope that if we lived and were good, God would permit us to be pirates. – Life on the Mississippi

by LBKpiratefan on May 7, 2010 8:17 AM CDT reply actions  

Lbkpirate the points you make are a good indication that the relationship was strained for a long time, just another reason why it needed to end. These guys on both sides were so bitter towards one another they will fight and spend to justify their years of resentment. If the bosses win, Leach is a POS and never works again (on a major college / major division level) if Leach wins he cant wait to prove that he is a smart successful coach.

by Gus Mitchem on May 7, 2010 8:32 AM CDT up reply actions  

This is a classic pride issue

Both sides are too proud to bow out or admit they were in the wrong. Of course, I understand this is the legal system…it’s not perfect, and corrupt just like everything else. On other post, ttpilk said that he wants to see this thing end…and for their sake I hope it does. It’s going to get really hard to breath with all the BS filling up the courtroom.

Now and then we had a hope that if we lived and were good, God would permit us to be pirates. – Life on the Mississippi

by LBKpiratefan on May 7, 2010 8:38 AM CDT up reply actions  

What’s interesting to me is Leach sort of indicates that he and Gerald Myers were actually on good terms and his issue with Myers wasn’t with the man, but the limited role the man was allowed to play.

I would bet, with fear of being flamed, Myers has probably TRIED to do some really positive things with Leach and the entire department but has been handcuffed. The man really does want what is best for Tech, in my opinion, but also has to worry about his own livelihood and his family. Give him sodium pentothal and I bet he could have some interesting things to say.

by Tech92 on May 7, 2010 9:14 AM CDT up reply actions  

As long as Gerald Myers has been an employee of this state university

You don’t think he could retire today with full benefits? The man is well past retirement age.

John Hancock

by mbrown603 on May 7, 2010 11:46 AM CDT up reply actions  

I don’t disagree with that at all. And I’m also not waiving any culpability on his part. I’m just thinking that the contentious nature of their relationship (Myers and Leach’s) may have been overstated by folks here and in other outlets.

by Tech92 on May 7, 2010 2:00 PM CDT up reply actions  

If the relationship needed to end, it would have been better for Texas Tech if it ended with Hance & Myers leaving

I was sure after the contract negotiations last spring that Myers would quietly step down & Leach would be allowed to choose the next AD. Mike Leach is smarter that Myers, Hance & the entire board of regents put together. If he had been given the keys to the Texas Tech athletic kingdom the program would have grown in national stature & the school would have a high profile nationally because of the entertaining brand of football played & the entertaining man running the show. High profile equals more students, more money, more prestige. The wrong party left.

John Hancock

by mbrown603 on May 7, 2010 11:44 AM CDT up reply actions  

The reason we cant pay is we dont have the money, we are not Texas, we spend evey dollar we earn each year and then a few bucks I believe.

by Gus Mitchem on May 7, 2010 8:34 AM CDT reply actions  

Maybe we could get the administration at Texas AM to authorize one of those secret loans to our atheletic department

by Gus Mitchem on May 7, 2010 8:34 AM CDT reply actions  

Although I’m by no means an expert on sovereign immunity, I still don’t quite understand why the state holds superior power to an employee and the employee has to ask permission to sue the state. Can someone say dictatorship?

I’m not saying. I’m just saying…

Now, I know an open window can’t be available to all employees to sue their state employers whenever they want to. That would just clog up the courts and be a huge oh mess that would make no sense whatsoever.

But for cases like this, I think it’s pretty clear that the university is hiding behind sovereign immunity like it’s a big stone wall knowing they are assumed more powers by the state government than Mike Leach could ever hope to have.

And I just think that is wrong on way too many levels.

Money shouldn’t be the sole factor that delegates power. That’s why I hate America’s elitist public system. It voids the opinions of those who don’t make huge sums of money completely null and worthless. It also makes it that much harder for the few people who are screwed by the state to receive social and legal justice in the courts because the state will always abuse the power of “sovereign immunity” and run away in celebration knowing they can get away with it if they have the right ahem “connections”..

by SkyBlade on May 7, 2010 9:29 AM CDT reply actions  

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Although I’m by no means an expert on sovereign immunity, I still don’t quite understand why the state holds superior power to an employee and the employee has to ask permission to sue the state. Can someone say dictatorship?

The original point of sovereign immunity was dictatorship; the state was the king, the king provided his people with access to the courts, therefore it didn’t make sense for the courts to enforce judgments against the king, since he provided the courts. On that basis sovereign immunity was rejected by many American courts. However, state and federal legislatures subsequently reinstated sovereign immunity by statute.

Why might they do that? When the “sovereign” is “the people” then judgments paid by the state are paid by “the people.” A successful suit by plaintiff against the state will have to be paid by your taxes. The state engages in the people’s business, and most people want that business completed without taking into account the excessive costs of a bureaucrat terrified of future liability. In other words, we want the state to proceed with the state’s business without fear of having to eventually tax the people to death to pay judgments due to the state’s negligence. Risk will have to be allocated somehow, and virtually every state has declined to allocate it in the way you’ve suggested. That doesn’t make Texas a dictatorship, it just means we’re a state that takes seriously the people’s resources.

Also I’m pretty sure our constitution doesn’t allow the state to pay for anything unless it is covered by some present taxation schema, which might help explain why we’re less broke than many other states.

If there were a logical way to distinguish between cases like the present one and the “real” cases where the state entity wasn’t just “hiding behind sovereign immunity like it’s a big stone wall” (which it is, and they do, and isn’t that precisely what the statute permits them to do?) that could be enforced by courts non-arbitrarily or capriciously, then by all means, take a shot. It’s a pretty tough line to draw. I doubt the courts will want to open up sovereign immunity to an ad hoc factual determination every case, for exactly the reasons you state. There is a fear that exceptions swallow the rule, and if your exception is something like “state is hiding behind a big stone wall” then that’s just to say there is only the exception and there is no rule.

I agree that this is wrong. Not every “wrong” needs legal redress, though.

Money shouldn’t be the sole factor that delegates power. That’s why I hate America’s elitist public system. It voids the opinions of those who don’t make huge sums of money completely null and worthless. It also makes it that much harder for the few people who are screwed by the state to receive social and legal justice in the courts because the state will always abuse the power of "sovereign immunity" and run away in celebration knowing they can get away with it if they have the right ahem "connections"..

Let’s be clear about what money the state is allegedly being cavalier with when it hides behind sovereign immunity, before we devolve into class-warfare for no good reason. It is your money. The state uses tax dollars. If the policy decision is not to spend tax dollars without good cause, then that’s not the state acting on behalf of the rich or connected, it is them acting on behalf of people like Skin Patrol, who is neither rich nor connected but pays taxes.

That’s particularly off point here, where the voided opinion is Coach Leach, he made a lot of money, he’s one of the only people in the history of Texas who actually engaged in something like an arms-length negotiation with the state, something none of us will ever have a chance at. “Legal justice” is a zero-sum game, and if Mike Leach wins, someone has to pay him the money he’s owed. Who will that be? The University? Who pays for that?

This has nothing to do with “connections.”

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by Skin Patrol on May 7, 2010 11:29 AM CDT up reply actions  

I also love how Dobrowski makes a connection between Windy Sitton’s e-mail and the JFK assasination. pffft Like those two have anything in common?

What a jerk…

by SkyBlade on May 7, 2010 9:38 AM CDT reply actions  

I think you mean

Dicky Grigg (not Dobrowski), Tech’s attorney, who said that next thing Leach’s attorneys will do is link the Bell Tower Boys to the JFK assasination because they have a document. He’s talking about “absurd” conspiracies to help diffuse the idea that there is any relevance to this email or the failure to produce it during discovery.

by jeffinhouston on May 7, 2010 10:56 AM CDT up reply actions  

just a thought...

From reading the excerpts of the depositions yesterday, it seems like Kent Hance is trying to dodge culpability, but also laying the foundation so that if that fails entirely and Mike Leach has grounds, Hance is gonna try to drop the whole thing on Craig James. And honestly, at this point I think that’d be the best outcome possible, if Leach gets his money, Tech gets some egg on it’s face (that’s unavoidable at this point) but the bulk of the negatives fall squarely where they belong, on the James clan.

by HeeroTX on May 7, 2010 9:40 AM CDT reply actions  

Charlotte Bingham

Have you all read Charlotte Bingham’s deposition? Doesn’t seem Charlotte was up to the job to put it kindly. And talk about defensive… At one point the attorney from the AG’s office stopped the proceedings to explain Dokrowski’s question to her because she was fighting so hard answering it…he thought she might be confused.

If Tech didn’t have sovereign immunity to hide behind they would be paying Leach for years. Although I agree with LBKpirate fan that Leach behaved poorly too. But behaving poorly and violating a contract/conspiring to fire your head coach/cheat him out of earned bonus — not the same thing.

by Austin, Tx on May 7, 2010 9:41 AM CDT reply actions  

In the end who loses

Part of me wants Leach to win this battle in it’s entirety but I also worry about the state of Texas Tech’s finanical situation should he win this thing big. I have zero faith in the current administration and dispise them for what transpired but I worry about how this whole thing will unfold and the result of Texas Tech when it does. I have accepted Leach as gone now and I’m ready for the new coaching staff to take over. I just wish we didn’t have to suffer the consequences of these actions taken by both leach and the administration. Essentially we are the ones who lose.

"You've got to find your inner pirate" - Mike Leach

by Raider1992 on May 7, 2010 10:02 AM CDT reply actions  

I’m in full and absolute agreement with every part of this opinion.

by CRV on May 7, 2010 10:48 AM CDT up reply actions  

Very true all the way around. No matter what happens with the lawsuit, Leach won’t ever coach at TTU again. I’m fairly certain there are almost no alumni who will suddenly stop cheering our team or Tuberville, who had nothing to do with his ouster. Nobody will remove their diploma from its frame and burn it (at least nobody with more than 19 functioning brain cells).

We ALL (and I speak for all of us, so forgive me) want Tech and our program to succeed. I think we mostly all want Leach to land on his feet somewhere (preferably where he naver faces Tech…that would be too weird) and be successful as well.

by Tech92 on May 7, 2010 2:04 PM CDT up reply actions  

Absurb extension of soverign immunity

If the right of soveriign immunity is upheld in Leach’s contract case: Lets say Lee Lewis completes the construction of the stadium and moves his equipment off the site and cleans the site: on the final walk trough there are items not completed (there are always things in a construction project not quite completed) i.e the new seats do not have the steps painted red, etc. Construction contracts generally have a certain amount of each pay application retained by the owner against completion of the project, the amount may be 5%, 10% or 15%. On the final walk through the University decides that the will not pay the retainage and terminates the contract with cause and hides behind soverign immunity to keep the monies. What did the stadium addition cost 30 mil?? the reatinage could be in the neighborhood of 3 mil.
What does this say for all duly executed contracts with the state???
Just wondering……….

by xwvr on May 7, 2010 10:44 AM CDT reply actions  

Great example

I work at a construction law firm.

How do you think it plays out with Lee Lewis under those circumstances? Because in a lot of sovereign immunity cases contractors get fucked because the contracts they enter into cannot be legally enforced against the state, even if the state is the breaching party.

Go register. Or else.

by Skin Patrol on May 7, 2010 11:31 AM CDT up reply actions  

Again ... as I posted in this same thread above

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Again … as I posted in this same thread above.

The Leach case is not at all similar to a private-party/business doing contract work with TTU and/or a State entity.

This case has to do with TTU’s Operating Policies and Procedures as legislated by the Texas Education Code and all laws in the state.

According to Leach’s attorney, here is what the sovereign immunity rule hinges on related to Leach’s case:

From the Daily Toreador – April 19, 2010; paragraph 13

One of Tech’s defenses in this case has been the sovereign immunity claim, which points out that an individual cannot sue the state, of which Tech is a branch.

But Leach’s attorneys believe the Tech administration has waived that through numerous causes, such as the Board of Regents making its own policies and procedures, therefore acting as its own legislative body.

The TTU Operating Policies and Procedures must be written and followed verbatim in accordance with the State Education Code and all laws of the State.

The University’s regents and administrators appear to had decided to act as their own legislative body and not afford Coach Leach that which is expressly written in the Operating Policies and Procedures under the grievance process, both at the time of his suspension and eventual termination.

The procedure itself even goes so far as to state that the grievant/party may so elect to file the grievance/complaint "with any external agency or court…"

OP 70.10: Non-faculty Employee Complaint and Grievance Procedures (pdf)

PURPOSE: Texas Tech University/Texas Tech University System (TTU/TTUS) is an at-will employer. Employment is for an indefinite duration and can be terminated at any time. Nothing in this or any other TTU/TTUS policy constitutes an employment agreement, either express or implied, a contract, a contract relationship, a guarantee of continued employment, or a property right. The purpose of this Operating Policy/Procedure (OP) is to establish a procedure to provide fair, consistent, and prompt internal consideration of complaints and grievances and provide resolution when possible. In the event the employee files substantially the same issues as the grievance or complaint before or during this procedure with any external agency or court, the employee may elect to remove such issues of grievance or complaint from further consideration through this process.

It appears to me that on the face of the approved Operating Policies and Procedures the University waives it’s ability to claim sovereign immunity insofar as the Regents and administrators legislated outside the approved policies and procedures.

To conclude: If in the event no out of court settlement is reached between now and next Friday, my personal belief is that no matter which way the judge rules on the sovereign immunity issue, it will be immediately appealed to a higher court.

Old_Ghostrider
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"The difference between a successful person and others is not a lack of strength, not a lack of knowledge, but rather a lack of will." What Craig James never taught the prima donna.

by Old_Ghostrider on May 9, 2010 12:26 AM CDT up reply actions  

I have responded above, though probably inadequately.

I question whether the slim legal support for the above arguments will persuade very many courts.

Go register. Or else.

by Skin Patrol on May 9, 2010 10:37 AM CDT up reply actions  

I made a flippant comment when Mike Leach was fired

that they did it before the bonus kicked in and that was important…you know if you are going to fire someone fire them before the bonus kicks in.

Well, the bonus is due to Mike Leach, it is earned, no matter the date of firing, pay it.

If there is a buy out in the contract, it is due, it is earned, pay it….this is the fired for cause argument—right ?

The salary that was due as of date of dismissal is earned, pay it.

I think the right to have coached the bowl game was earned as well….under normal circumstances, I am guessing there was a bonus for a win for whatever level bowl game, Mike had a right to vie for that bonus—if it was part of his contract—did anyone get a bonus for that game ????

That there are damages is hard to dissect, that is pretty subjective, I cannot find a way through it…I do believe that Mike could have saved a lot of this had he been more practical and issued apology to James and moved on to coaching football…no doubt he would still be behind a rock and hard spot with the James on the roster…but he could have gotten through that also. I also believe that the university was trying to motivate Mike…they used a form of motivation that would not work, not then, not now, not tomorrow with Mike Leach…that was growing more evident with every administrative interation, whether running a stamp budget or negotiating/renegotiating contract.

If C James was getting on to the practice field too much, he could have found a way to deal with that…surely, surely that situation has options for any HC at any school.

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by TallMike on May 7, 2010 12:54 PM CDT reply actions  

I credit Leach for fighting for a principle he believed in. But it does bother me (but only a little) he was so willing to quit at the end of next year, per his deposition. This whole thing wasn’t going to end the way fans wanted it to.

I do agree that if James was such a pain as a player that he should have just cut him. Sounds like he had ample opportunity even before the December fiasco. I don’t think for a second Leach kept him so he could help the kid mature as a man, as I don’t honestly think that’s what Leach thinks his job is. I base that not on any fact, but on my reading of the guy in general. I think he kept him because it was easier than cutting him and dealing with CJ after.

I don’t think James being put in the media room or the shed hurt him. But I also think it’s complete idiocy that Leach said he was doing it to protect James from flying footballs and players. It’s fairly clear, to me, it was a punishment and to prove who is boss. I don’t think it was hiddeously wrong and harmful to the kid (and not a fireable offense), but I also think it’s fairly disingenuous for Leach to claim for the record that it was to keep James from getting hurt.

by Tech92 on May 7, 2010 2:14 PM CDT up reply actions  

I’m not sure how many times I said, “think” in that post, but it’s too many…sorry…

by Tech92 on May 7, 2010 2:15 PM CDT up reply actions  

i think you are correct........

you left me no choice.

"There's going to be ups and downs but you have to enjoy the battle." Mike Leach

by blackbeard on May 7, 2010 2:16 PM CDT up reply actions  

You speak of the ethical thing to do. I agree completely but these guys were obviously just trying to find a way to get rid of him and save money at the same time. The more I read about this whole mess I realize just how bad things were between both parties. To some degree I blame them both and think Leach earned his money yes but his attitude didn’t render any aid to the situation. This was a pissing match among children to say the least.

"You've got to find your inner pirate" - Mike Leach

by Raider1992 on May 7, 2010 3:15 PM CDT up reply actions  

Agree.

This appears to be what it’s always been about and I guess it comes down to the thought that just like a divorce, they couldn’t stand to be around each other any more so the [sarc]logical thing to do is fight about it as publicly as possible[/sarc].

Go Raiders . . .
Double-T Nation

by Seth C on May 8, 2010 7:02 AM CDT up reply actions  

I will offer some of my views later

I can’t now as I am at work, on a short break. I will TRY to keep it short.

TTpilk Psalm 117:
1 ¶ O praise the LORD, all ye nations: praise him, all ye people.
2 For his merciful kindness is great toward us: and the truth of the LORD endureth for ever. Praise ye the LORD.

by TTpilk645 on May 7, 2010 2:42 PM CDT reply actions  

My remarks....I will try to keep themshort....

TTpilk Psalm 117:
1 ¶ O praise the LORD, all ye nations: praise him, all ye people.
2 For his merciful kindness is great toward us: and the truth of the LORD endureth for ever. Praise ye the LORD.

by TTpilk645 on May 7, 2010 2:43 PM CDT up reply actions  

Anyone know who Tech's latest signee is?

I know it’s off topic but anythings better than this legal nonsense. I don’t have any info. but it’s on RRS cover page.

"You've got to find your inner pirate" - Mike Leach

by Raider1992 on May 7, 2010 3:24 PM CDT reply actions  

Yes

He’s a RB from Odessa named Bradley Marquez. My source is from directly inside the football office.

http://recruiting.scout.com/a.z?s=73&p=8&c=1&nid=4115970

by jeffinhouston on May 7, 2010 5:36 PM CDT up reply actions  

thanks Jeff

"You've got to find your inner pirate" - Mike Leach

by Raider1992 on May 7, 2010 8:48 PM CDT up reply actions  

How dare Leach's lawyers produce documents supporting his case...

Next thing you’ll know he’ll have some sort of magnetic tape contraption connected to some form of cathode ray tube device producing moving pictures and voices of the administration talking about how they were going to fire Leach in March. What poppycock and horseradish, that would never work. What will those Leach hoodwinks think up next…

I also enjoy the “we didn’t give you this information that makes us look bad that you didn’t know about because you didn’t ask for it” defense.

by merrik on May 7, 2010 8:47 PM CDT reply actions  

I read some of the docs

But not all. Still, it is obvious Leach was “robbed”. Sovereign immunity or not, the university administration messed up big time. What really amazes me is how distorted the story about what happened concerning Annie James. That CJ was able to be allowed to continually harass and press the Tech coaching staff is just ridiculous. How Mike Leach handled Li’l James had zero danger associated with it. He simply was kept out of harm’s way. If discipline was involved, it was warranted because of the way Annie approached the field that day. If the coach wanted to hurt him he could have sent the babe to the dressing room to suit up in the appropriate attire, then sent him out to practice. Another thing I am amazed at is all the negative statements being made by the players, especially those that had a history of causing problems or not practicing strongly. I know they must move on, but at least let everyone know that all was not doom and gloom with Leach. A coach does not lead a team to as good a record as did Leach if he was not liked and appreciated. I don’t buy all that negativity being talked about. According to 2001Raider,

From that experience, I can assure you with a great deal of sincerity, that Windy Sitton is every bit as arrogant and inept as those she is criticizing.

Sitton is no angel, but she was even taken aback by what the administration did. Someone got to her to get her to rescind her statement in the email, but she did not say the conspiracy to fire Leach was not real. I care very much about Texas Tech and their standing among all universities. This fiasco, brought on by the despicable actions of the Tech administration, has been a huge embarrassment for everyone, on a scale that should never have been reached. If the judge has any guts, he will override the immunity plea and Leach will be able to get his money and have his dignity returned. Now, those that were involved in this on behalf of Texas Tech, starting when Leach’s contract was legalized, must be dealt with quickly and thoroughly, whatever way is appropriate. Whatever and however Tech is affected by this should Leach win, the university will land on its feet, if those responsible are released from their contracts and new leaders are brought in—-some that actually possess some form of dignity and honesty. Leach may not get a head coaching job, at least not right away, but he should be able to get back into coaching soon. As stated before, we will find out the fate of it all next week.

TTpilk Psalm 117:
1 ¶ O praise the LORD, all ye nations: praise him, all ye people.
2 For his merciful kindness is great toward us: and the truth of the LORD endureth for ever. Praise ye the LORD.

by TTpilk645 on May 7, 2010 11:27 PM CDT reply actions  

Head Coach Mike Leach

This will apppear again and soon, mark my words. Football owes it to him, He is pure genius when it comes to MODERN Football and the game will be forever defined by his offensive brilliance. Nobody has ever produced the offensive numbers he has amassed with multiple Quarterbacks in the history of the game. While Mikey may be off the cuff sometimes, it all still makes sense. About Craig James, well, that’s all I got say about that.

by dbled53 on May 8, 2010 9:15 PM CDT reply actions  

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