Conference Realignment Chronicles :: Texas Tech Board of Regents Set to Meet Tuesday
by Seth C on Jun 12, 2010 6:33 AM CDT
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Deadline or No Deadline: Late yesterday, AAS's Kirk Bohls wrote that Texas, Texas Tech, Oklahoma and Oklahoma St. will go to the Pac-10 on Tuesday, but that Texas A&M is on the fence about whether to join the Pac-10 or the SEC. Here's the goods:
"The decision has been made," the official told the American-Statesman. "We’re bringing everybody to the Pac-10 but A&M."
The official said the Aggies have a 72-hour timetable to decide whether to accept the Pac-10’s offer. The official also said those formal offers could be made over the weekend.
There's a couple of things here. First, Bohls calls it a timetable and not a deadline, which I think is important because I do believe, from everything that is being scheduled, is that there does appear to be a timetable. Maybe not a deadline, but certainly a timetable. Second, and maybe I'm completely wrong about this, but this appears to be a situation where the Pac-10 is calling the shots. This isn't to say that the Pac-10 doesn't want TAMU, I think they do, but I seriously doubt that the Pac-10 won't wait forever for the Aggies and if Kansas or Utah are willing partners then wouldn't the Pac-10 make a decision and move on?
Third, as mentioned yesterday morning, always consider the source. If yesterday morning I sounded like I didn't trust or appreciate the work that OB.com's Chip Brown has done, that's not true at all. This guy has been on top of it, but I also firmly believe that there is a reason he has information and is able to confidently report what's being played out before our eyes. Brown knew what was going to happen because he knew that the Longhorns were going to do. The same could be said for Bohl's sources quoted in his article. There's a reason why those officials wanted that information out there.
Late yesterday, SAEN's Brent Zwerneman refuted the timetable placed on the Aggies and inserted the term "deadline" into his story:
The UT regents board is meeting Tuesday in Austin. Texas A&M is mulling the Pac-10 deal or joining the Southeastern Conference. The two insiders disputed an Austin website's report that Texas A&M has a 72-hour deadline to make a commitment to the Pac 10.
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Both A&M insiders said they knew of no such deadline and that A&M would make a decision on what conference to be a part of after careful deliberation. A report on the Austin American Statesman's website cited a "highly placed official from a Big 12 school" as claiming A&M has a 72-hour timetable.
Zwerneman is a TAMU beat-writer, just as Bohls is a UT beat-writer. There's a reason why both stories are out there and just like everything else in life, consider the source. I don't think that either reporter is wrong and believe that both reporters are merely being told what one side says and now there's a bit of a game being played between the Aggies and Longhorns.
Either way, both stories state that Texas, Texas Tech, Oklahoma, and Oklahoma St. are headed to the Pac-10 on Tuesday.
Texas Tech Regents to Convene: LAJ's Matthew McGowan writes that the Texas Tech Board of Regents will convene on Tuesday. The UT Board of Regents are scheduled to meet Tuesday at 11:00 a.m. and Texas Tech is scheduled to meet at 2:00 p.m. Everyone can probably figure this out on their own, but doesn't it appear that this three hour window will allow for UT to have the meeting, make the announcement and then have a press conference? Me too.
Beebe Working to Keep Things Together: ESPN Dallas' Richard Durrett has quotes from Big 12 Commissioner Dan Beebe working to keep the remaining ten members of the Big 12 together. As the old saying goes, you can wish in one hand . . . In any event, Beebe did confirm that the Big Ten would not be asking any additional Big 12 schools to join the Big Ten, which means that Missouri is left out of expansion talks. I've said it before and I'll say it again, please don't hold the entire state of Missouri responsible for the governor's remarks regarding Texas Tech and Oklahoma St. Go as far back as you want, the folks over at Rock M Nation never endorsed their governor's comments because their governor's comments weren't very smart. Sometimes governor's say dumb things.
Tuberville Warns Aggies: Hat-tip to BC, Texas Tech head coach Tommy Tuberville was on with Houston's SportsRadio 610 and had a simple warning for the Aggies and their desire to join the SEC:
"Well, they’d better really, really think about it before they cross those borders, and cross the Mississippi River, because it’s a totally different type of football, different brand of football, a different type of recruiting. You gotta really be careful as to what you are getting into."
If you had any reservations about Tubs, perhaps this seals the deal.
Open Thread
Consider this your open thread for the day. I'm not expecting any news to break over the weekend and maybe I'll be able to catch up on a couple of articles that I'm trying to finish. Also, feel free to use this post as a World Cup open thread and make sure and check out SB Nation's World Cup coverage.
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I just have the feeling
That the Aggies belong in the SEC. I think Tubs’ admonition is spot on, but I think they would do OK. I know they want out of UT’s shadow. I’m thankful we are in it. I expect Kansas is doing everything it can to help the Aggies back their bags for SEC.
I’d miss playing the Aggies but I think there will be plenty of excitement in the new conference.
Either way, I’m excited.
"Everybody's all surprised every time this stuff happens. It surprises me everybody gets surprised, ...The most surprising thing would be if there weren't any surprises. So therefore, in the final analysis, none of it's really that surprising." - MIke Leach
by raider87 on Jun 12, 2010 6:50 AM CDT via mobile reply actions
Would the shadow of
Alabama, LSU, Auburn, Tennessee be any different from anyother shadow ?
TAMU may be making the best decision of the bunch, it is hard to see at this point.
women should put pictures of missing husbands on beer cans
The Beebe remarks mystify me
At this point, does anyone among OU, OSU, Tech, texas, or A&M WANT to save the Big 12? I think that ship has sailed.
As for Tub’s admonition, I could say the same thing about him coming to the Big 12.
I realize schemes are a little different in the SEC (some teams there depend on 21 personnel a lot more than we see in the Big 12), but when you get down to it, football is football. You win with blocking and tackling and running the ball and stopping the run. It doesn’t matter what conference you are in, those are the fundamental truths of the game.
I got the impression he
wasn’t necessarily talking about x’s and o’s, but recruiting.
Go Raiders . . .
Double-T Nation
Agree
Yea…like McRoy decommitting to UF this year and Boone last year to LSU all in SEC territory. Too many “candy shops” in the SEC to chose for a four star recuit not to change his mind more often.
"It's time to get down to serious business." Tuberville
Speed kills
“It doesn’t matter what conference you are in, those are the fundamental truths of the game.” However ask ND what lack of speed did to them for example. ATM doesn’t have the speed to keep up wth the SEC talent and it will be hard to recruit the level of speed at ATM. Please spell Texas with a capital “T” that is so slow.
I was at the Independence Bowl
we didn’t have any trouble with Georgia’s “SEC speed”, in fact they were in zone coverage b/c they couldn’t cover our WRs one-on-one. Christine Michael had a memorable TD run where he beat the whole Georgia defense to the outside, outrunning several players who had an angle on him.
There is not a speed discrepancy between the Big 12 and the SEC; watching the national championship game between Alabama and texas should have proven that to you. The Big 12 is not the Big Ten, or Notre Dame for that matter. As for your statement that we won’t be able to recruit that level of speed to A&M, we already have, so that is inaccurate.
I differentiate between texas, the school, and Texas, the state’ not sure why this is an issue.
I agree Seth its about the recruiting competition and "poaching" of talent both players and coaches.
Better understand the operating environment before you wander into that ES EE SEE den of inequity. (sorry could not help myself..)
"do routine things routinely"
by centexraider on Jun 12, 2010 8:01 AM CDT up reply actions
Go away, troll
"I’ve established a reputation for integrity. I have maintained those high standards" - Craig James
Please tell me that was sarcasm font. That’s Centex you just dissed.
Give 'Em Hell Tech!!!!!
by Plano Jeff on Jun 12, 2010 1:18 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
I think he was replying to BG.
Go Raiders . . .
Double-T Nation
by Seth C on Jun 12, 2010 1:34 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
I think he was replying to BG.
Go Raiders . . .
Double-T Nation
by Seth C on Jun 12, 2010 1:36 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
You wrote “While I my feelings on no longer playing Tech range from ambivalent to apathetic (I’ve always felt they care more about this series than we did), I don’t think texas will go through with their threat to never play us again. If we beat them in football the next two years, I doubt they’d let the series end with a loss on their part.”
LOL
Let's hug it out, bitch.
Suck It, UT.
Aggies in SEC?
Wouldn’t break my heart to see ta&m left on the corner like MO after the W bound bus departed only to learn that there is no E bound bus.
Aggies
Not sure their line of thinking. If you can’t win in the Big 12, what makes you think you can win in the SEC? I’m almost certain A&M is just trying to look like they can make decisions on their own but in the end will follow Father Horn. If anything they look very foolish right now. I could see a good argument if they were a Big 12 powerhouse but that’s not the case at all. I would miss beating them up in football but I’m willing to bet this is just posturing. Be careful aggies as UT has made it clear they don’t care if you come or go. That Thanksgiving game doen’t mean as much to them as it does to you also.
"You've got to find your inner pirate" - Mike Leach
I would love A&M in SEC.
Where do we sign them up?
Give 'Em Hell Tech!!!!!
by Plano Jeff on Jun 12, 2010 8:23 AM CDT via mobile reply actions
Tubs is spot on.....as usual
Having worked in the south a couple of years, I really got an appreciation for how zealous the SEC is about football. Recruiting is brutal. Kids are identified and followed by locals as early a 7th grade. We had to separate the Auburn and Alabama fans working offshore and put them on differenct platforms during the Iron Bowl. One Auburn fan I worked with refused to put christmas lights or a christmas tree up after the Tigers lost the Iron Bowl.
Contrast that with where ATM’s program is today. The athletic budget is in the red after a series of bad coaching selections and debt. The football program has struggled to move to the top of the Big 12 standings. Everyday in the SEC is a nuclear arms race in the realm of football. I have no doubt that ATM could make runs in the baseball, basketball, soccer and the olympic sports but NOT football. The aggies don’t currently have the resources or the commitment to get there.
"Well I’m glad you picked us last, we put that on the bulletin board and maybe we can circle around that" - Neal Brown, Offensive Coordinator
Two words from an average SEC school that should strike fear in Aggie
Dexter McCluster
"Well I’m glad you picked us last, we put that on the bulletin board and maybe we can circle around that" - Neal Brown, Offensive Coordinator
Next in a series of massive mistake made by Aggie
In the early 1920-30s, the Aggies decided to opt out of the 2 million acres of “grazing rights” they were receiving income from because they figured with both the Governor and the Liet Gov in the lgislature that they could get a better deal for funding. When oil was discovered ONE YEAR after Aggie opted out, they whined and crawled back into the PUF which is why they get 1/3 and UT gets 2/3.
Then they decided to cut the “laundry” budget of a Freshman scholarshp basketball player who had enough from Aggie and transfered to Okl St. His name was T. Boone Pickens; so that only cost Aggie about $350 million.
Moving to the SEC will be another similar mistake that will push them to new levels of irrelevance. They want to be in the SEC but maintain their annual game with UT. As much as they try to branch out on their own, they know where their bread gets buttered.
Ahhhh..
I see what you’re saying. So A&M has even made bone-headed moves a long storied “tradition”.
by ForestFlyer on Jun 12, 2010 10:56 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Do you have a source to back up this story?
In the early 1920-30s, the Aggies decided to opt out of the 2 million acres of "grazing rights" they were receiving income from because they figured with both the Governor and the Liet Gov in the legislature that they could get a better deal for funding. When oil was discovered ONE YEAR after Aggie opted out, they whined and crawled back into the PUF which is why they get 1/3 and texas gets 2/3.
I had never heard this about the PUF, and a quick glance at Wikipedia (not the most reliable of sources, granted) says nothing about it. The story I always heard was that when texas was formed, the Legislature didn’t have a lot of money, but they had a lot of land, so they gave a big bulk of it to texas. Some Aggies were actually surveying the land, and discovered there was oil on it, but since texas owned the land, they received the royalties. A&M then claimed that per the re-written Texas Constitution of 1876, we were allegedly part of the texas system, so we should be beneficiaries of the royalties, too. This was taken all the way to the Texas Supreme Court, before A&M agreed to take 1/3 of royalties and let texas take 2/3. The reasoning was that texas has a law school, and the majority of the judges in the state were alumni of that law school, so we knew we’d lose if we pressed the issue in court.
That basketball player was also cut from the team at Oklahoma State, too; difference is, he stuck around there to graduate and OSU has been a beneficiary of that. We’re doing okay without Boone’s money; I don’t want to a guy who wants to treat a university like it is his own person fiefdom, which is what Pickens is doing at OSU.
I’d like to maintain the game with texas, but it has nothing to do with money, and everything to do with the rivalry. If we go to the SEC, hosting games against Florida, LSU, Tennessee, Alabama, Georgia, et al., means we’d be okay whether we play texas or not.
Hot Damn Tubs ... don't believe I'd said that!
“Well, they’d better really, really think about it before they cross those borders, and cross the Mississippi River, because it’s a totally different type of football, different brand of football, a different type of recruiting. You gotta really be careful as to what you are getting into.”
Tubby seems to be saying more about Tubby … than, Tubby is saying about A+M.
Sure didn’t take Tubs long to figure out which ‘side of the Mississippi’ he didn’t want to compete on once Señor Saban got back in town and started to turn up the heat.
Hot Damn Tubs … don’t believe I’d said that!
Could it be a pressure tactic?
I’m wondering if Tubs comments are just another way the other Texas schools trying to put the screws to the aggies to get them to come along to the Pac 10.
He's won plenty of championships in the SEC
CTT isn’t afraid of Saban or anyone else in the SEC. He’s been there and done that. Had the timing been different with Kiffins departure CTT very well could have been at UTn instead of TT. CTT is playing his part in pressuring aTm to hop on the west bound bus. That is all.
" I carry a gun because a cop is too heavy." ---Unknown
Plenty? Tubs won one SEC championship. That was in 2004. One is not plenty in the State of Texas.
Who knows if Tuberville is ‘afraid of Saban?’ God knows I don’t.
But, the facts show that Tubs was not up to going head-to-head with Saban on the playing field (36-0) nor completing with Saban on the recruiting trails after Saban arrived at Alabama.
The facts show that Tubs coasted at Auburn after the 2004 season and left the roster depleted.
The facts show that Tubs spit out the bit after the 2008 season, negotiated a golden parachute, took the money, and got out of Dodge.
Now, I’m observing that Tubby seems to be saying more about Tubby … than, Tubby is saying about A+M. That’s is all.
by catfish jesus on Jun 12, 2010 11:34 AM CDT up reply actions
On a side note...
Your brand new to the board, but chose the handle Catfish Jesus? Seems weird. That knickname was coined here months ago, and hasn’t been used much at all lately that I can re-call. Now we are in a battle against A&M to make sure they don’t screw this deal up for the rest of us and your only input is to attack our own coach. All just seems weird….but thats just me. Welcome to DTN.
"We have a running game at Tech......sometimes we throw short passes." -Mike Leach
+1mil
I find not only the handle but the “Tubby” reference disrespectful. CTT didn’t say anything that hasn’t been said by hundreds of others on this board and many others. If aTm goes to the SEC they better be ready to get their heads handed to them. That is all.
" I carry a gun because a cop is too heavy." ---Unknown
I'll agree with this sentiment too.
DTN user catfish jesus has been telling us all of the bad things that Tubs (he won’t recruit, he’s coasting, he’s all about himself, agent Jimmy Sexton will always bring up his contract) is going to do to Texas Tech. Let’s give Tubs a shot and if proven right, then so be it, but let’s let him coach a game first.
Go Raiders . . .
Double-T Nation
I've not been saying what Tubs "won't" do at TTU ...
… I’ve been saying what I have found out that Tubs “did” his last 3-4 years at Auburn.
I don’t think there’s any doubt that Tubby will get a fair shot to succeed at TTU. Why all the paranoia?
by catfish jesus on Jun 12, 2010 9:28 PM CDT up reply actions
I think the paranoia is coming from you.
I want to give him a chance but you keep telling me he’s a snake in the grass.
Go Raiders . . .
Double-T Nation
We report, you decide.
If you inferred “snake in the grass” from my posts about CTT … then, that’s on you, not me.
by catfish jesus on Jun 13, 2010 8:28 AM CDT up reply actions
And just a quick search here’s what you’ve warned me about Tubs:
http://www.doubletnation.com/2010/6/4/1493702/texas-tech-opponent-prospectus#39075828
http://www.doubletnation.com/2010/6/3/1499136/the-saga-of-mike-leach-bonus#38939327
http://www.doubletnation.com/2010/6/3/1499136/the-saga-of-mike-leach-bonus#38925530
Go Raiders . . .
Double-T Nation
I keep telling you what CTT has done, not what he is. I have no opinion about that.
You read my posts and infer, i.e. conclude from evidence or premises, that I’m calling CTT a “snake in the grass.”
You know, it’s sort of like a Rorschach test. Your inference. Your conclusion. Your words. It’s on you.
by catfish jesus on Jun 13, 2010 10:57 AM CDT up reply actions
Okay, then how about
you’re telling me he acts like a snake in the grass? Does that make a difference? You can stand by your comments, and that’s fine, you’re entitled to your opinion, but you have posted quite a bit about Tubs past behavior, again, all good, but let’s just give him a shot.
Go Raiders . . .
Double-T Nation
Okay with me on this end.
As far as I’m concerned, CTT will be judged in Lubbock on what he does in Lubbock.
But, what happened in Auburn, does not stay in Auburn.
Guns up brother.
by catfish jesus on Jun 13, 2010 11:13 AM CDT up reply actions
Prove it.
Why the name…why the namecalling. If you want to report about CTT’s last years at Auburn than you also need to research and report all the articles about the BOR there and the underhanded dealings that went on behind the scenes. Don’t just report what you can find in the stats… but lets be real. Let’s report about the BOR flying in and interviewing a coach DURING a game! Might of been a factor….But that would take to much energy. Let’s just question His integrity right off the bat. You sir must be a Leacher. The rest of us ALL gave Leach the benefit of the doubt…and continue to do so.
" I carry a gun because a cop is too heavy." ---Unknown
So it's all about Pirate-Cleansing here is it? I won't play that game.
P.S. I’ve read some of your posts over at the TET Auburn site. Very interesting. Maybe you better cleanse yourself, bro.
by catfish jesus on Jun 13, 2010 8:38 AM CDT up reply actions
Have been NOTHING but cautiously optimistic throughout.
" I carry a gun because a cop is too heavy." ---Unknown
I disagree
I just think he’s saying it’s a completely different ball game. Here’s the situation. Nick Saban and Mike Sherman recruit the same kid, who does he choose? My money’s on Saban.
Go Raiders . . .
Double-T Nation
Saban is a helluva recruiter
First year at bama: 6-6
year 2: lost to florida in sec champ game
year 3: national champs
saban knows how to get it done. Sherman hasnt proved anything. If i was a hot prospect out in SEC country and A&M and Bama came knocking at my door, id chose bama over A&M ANY DAY.
What do you call a Serbian with an insatiable desire for sweets with only one nad (in his throat)?
CHOCOHOLICINADINHISNECKDARKOINSKIVICHSKI
by wrench_raider on Jun 12, 2010 12:47 PM CDT up reply actions
Something fishy about Saban
Just sayin. I would play for either. I’d go play for Brown or Myer if I were a 5 star. That is all:)
Give 'Em Hell Tech!!!!!
by Plano Jeff on Jun 12, 2010 1:29 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
I'd play for Leach.
" Answers --Become Resources."
Without Questions, There are limited Resources...
You would play for me...
for a half warm Schlitz and a two day old Allsup’s burrito…let’s be honest.
"We have a running game at Tech......sometimes we throw short passes." -Mike Leach
I agree. The problem is..
the young recruit ought to know that Aggys problem is not recruiting. It is a joke to think that better recruiting is going to fix aggys problem. They recruit in the top ten or twenty every year. In the end it doesn’t matter if you fail with a top 5 recruiting class, or if you lose with a team of trained monkeys.
So, here is the deal…
a) The “better recruiting” schtick is all hot air, and
b) Even if it isn’t, would anyone trade Tech’s last 5 years of recruits for aggys?
Randy Quaid’s problem is institutional incompetence and rampant unrestricted moronism, things the move the SEC will not fix.
But that is just my opinion
... never punt
I'd take A&M's recruits
Even if it isn’t, would anyone trade Tech’s last 5 years of recruits for aggys?
52-30 seems to indicate I’d be making the right choice.
But that is once in 5 years.....
" Answers --Become Resources."
Without Questions, There are limited Resources...
52-30 doesn’t mean jack shit when looked at in the context of the ass beatings we have given y’all the past decade. We got you on the schedule for at least one more year, if you beat us again, then we can talk about some sort of trend here. But if we beat the snot out of you on your precious Kyle Field like I predict we will, winning 52-30 in a rebuilding year where we didn’t have Sheffield in at QB doesn’t really mean anything.
Let's hug it out, bitch.
Suck It, UT.
Sheffield has proven fairly fragile
He didn’t make it through spring practice, as I recall.
If he is injured during our game this year, will you attempt to use that as an excuse?
IIRC, Sticks doesn’t play defense, so how he’d stop us from rushing for 300+ yards on y’all like we did last season, I don’t know, but maybe you have an explanation for that.
I agree with you
This time. Offense had nothing to do with Tech losing. 30 points should have been enough to beat A&M (we all saw what that “vaunted” KState D did to A&M after we hung 60+ on that same D). Allowing 15 yards a carry (it seemed) to a QB everytime they went 5-wide on 3rd and manageable was much pivotable to the outcome of that game than who Tech had running the offense.
by TheScarletandTheBlack on Jun 14, 2010 11:55 AM CDT up reply actions
you need to make up your mind
-either we have incredible recruiting classes every year, and incredible talent, which we fail to develop, which is why we underachieve
or
-Tech has better talent than A&M
You can’t claim both.
sure I have
go read some of my old posts and threads on Turgeon
I didn’t think he emphasized defense enough as a coach, and then we have the season we had in 2009-10, where we overachieve and win a lot of games on defense and hustle.
Really?
I’ll take Mack Brown, Tommy Tuberville, or Art Briles first.
Let's hug it out, bitch.
Suck It, UT.
TCU trying to keep Baylor out
TCU is allegedly trying to keep Baylor out of the MWC due to TCU being snubbed at the formation of the Big XII. That doesn’t surprise me in the least since TCU alumn have been bitter about that situation since it happened. They thought at the time and still think to this day they offer more to a conference than Baylor and Tech. Both are wrong, but if you can find a TCU fan at Amon Carter on gameday,, not a fan of the visiting team, you can argue that with him.
I feel bad for Baylor in all of this conference realignment. No, Baylor isn’t a big draw in terms of market or alumni support. No, they haven’t had a good football team of late, and all this talk revolved only around football. But for TCU to have a personal vendetta against including Baylor in the MWC due to sour grapes shows just what a pathetic institution is in Ft. Worth.
To think how many of you all wanted to invite TCU to the Big XII, thinking it was somehow some sort of addition.
I doubt TCU would have been the 4th SWC Team asked to Join the Big 12 if Baylor hadn't gone
All things being equal Houston is the state school & they would have grabbed that last slot. It’s the Cougars who should be cursing Anne Richards, Bob Bullock, Baylor & Texas Tech. The only sure thing schools in that move were Texas & Texas A&M.
"I can't believe I finally decide to let a girl into my life and she tries to eat me" - Zombieland
"Anne Richards, Bob Bullock, Baylor & Texas Tech"
…hey, three things on that list are dead.
... never punt
I only have marginal sympathy for Baylor
One of the biggest arguments made against Baylor when the Big XII was formed was the attendance at their football games. That was back when they were still going to bowl games, yet Texas and A&M fans would fill more seats in Waco than Baylor fans. Tech fans would fill about 1/3 of the stadium.
Like I said, that was when they were actually pretty decent. I remember one year when A&M and Baylor were both top-10 teams (early 90’s and in the SWC). The game was played in Waco, and the stadium probably had 60% Aggies, with Baylor 7th in the country.
The last time I went to a game in Waco was in ‘01 or ’02 (don’t remember which), and there were as many Raider fans there as Bear fans. I haven’t been there recently, but unless this pattern has changed drastically, the reason people don’t want the Bears lies right there. If you can’t fill your own stadium, with your own fans, during elite games, why would any conference think people are going to watch you on television?
The one I tend to feel sorry for the most is Iowa State. They have the least amount of leverage among any Big XII school, and have been keeping their mouths shut for the most part, just trying to ride out the storm, hoping someone will take pity on them.
by RaiderForLife95 on Jun 12, 2010 2:41 PM CDT up reply actions
Same for TCU though
TCU can’t fill Amon Carter unless hordes of the opposing team’s fans fill it for them. To me, that’s what makes TCU trying to keep Baylor out of the MWC even more of a pathetic joke than it is. TCU fans will cry that if they get better matchups at home, people will come. I empathize with the notion, but when TCU plays, for instance, Tech and it’s a sea of red, that doesn’t speak too well of TCU.
I was at that TAMU versus Baylor game, at least the one I think you are alluding to. J.J. Johnson was a beast. I don’t recall it being 60-40 TAMU to Baylor fans, but there’s no question Baylor does have attendance issues. So do many teams in the MWC.
Livin in SEC land.....
there are all kinds of facts and myths out there but I do know this…if atm can’t win in the B12 then they better hope they get to play Vandy every year cause that’s about the only forsure thing that will be before them….I also hear all this about atm fitting the Southern culture better and that maybe true but TTU would also fit well…I however am not dilusional and think that overall for TTU West is best….the real problem is that there are only a hand full of Rock Star teams and atm is not one of them…of by the way if they think ut gets all the calls just wait till they join the FloraBama Conf. ! Wreck’Em Tech
Fantasy!?!
http://www.iamthe12thman.com/2010/6/12/1514674/new-conference-could-mean-second
Where these ideas come from are beyond me. Simply amazing.
Absolutely delusional
First, why on EARTH would the SEC bring in ANY ACC team just to dump them into the West division?!?
Second, I don’t see the SEC moving Alabama to the East division for aTm. That move creates the same problem the Big XII has had for most of its existence: Too many big teams in one division, with little left in the other division.
From what I’ve heard, during the talks with Oklahoma, the SEC told the Sooners they had to find a partner to join the West division. Of course, this still makes me wonder if Oklahoma is going to back out of the PAC deal to join the SEC with aTm, but even then, the chances are better that the SEC will then snag two teams from the ACC to push themselves to 16. The existing schools would stay where they are.
by RaiderForLife95 on Jun 12, 2010 2:52 PM CDT up reply actions
Saw this elsewhere and thought it was an excellent point...
Now that we will no longer be in the Big 12, WILL WE BE ABLE TO SALE BEER AT THE JONES?!!!?
"We have a running game at Tech......sometimes we throw short passes." -Mike Leach
why haven't we made this move earlier???
on a related note…I will always be bitter at Lubbockites for opening up alcohol weeks after I graduate and leave town after 6 long years of visiting the strip
by kevinkinsler on Jun 12, 2010 12:25 PM CDT up reply actions
I will say that it is so great when you go back and you do not have to drive out to the strip.
Go Raiders . . .
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by Seth C on Jun 12, 2010 1:41 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Shut the front door!!
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+1 for beer sales in the jones
do other pac-10(er..11) schools sale alcohol in their stadiums as well?
What do you call a Serbian with an insatiable desire for sweets with only one nad (in his throat)?
CHOCOHOLICINADINHISNECKDARKOINSKIVICHSKI
After 15 years of tailgating in the Jones Stadium East parking lot we've been priced out
$5000 Red Raider Club donation for a C3 space. So no more heading to the car at halftime to recharge the batteries. Beer sales inside the stadium would fix that.
"I can't believe I finally decide to let a girl into my life and she tries to eat me" - Zombieland
Encourage Our A&M Brethren
Rather than ridicule the Aggie faithful, I seek to encourage their SEC joinder. I’ve posted the following over at iamthe twelveman and would encourage all of you, Red Raider fans, to post on Aggie fan blogs in similar fashion. After all, don’t we all want the best for Texas A&M and their followers?
A&M would dominate the SEC West under the scenario presented. Of course A&M will dominate the SEC regardless of the manner in which it is accepted to membership. I believe this to be A&M’s manifest destiny. This vision came to me last night after I said my prayers and included my daily praise of Aggieland. I’m going to continue to pray daily for this SEC dream scenario to happen for my beloved Texas A&M University.
A new scenario
This thought came to me as I was talking about this situation with a friend…
If A&M thumbs its nose at the PAC-16, and joins the SEC instead, consider the possibility that Texas asks the boys out west to invite Houston. It’s a far-fetched idea, but it actually has a LITTLE merit to it, as I’ll explain.
First, I keep hearing Utah mentioned as an alternative to aTm, but geographically it makes very little sense. If they are in the Southwest division with the other new teams, they are farther away from the four Texas/Oklahoma schools than they are from every team in the Pacific division. The only school among those four that is under 1,000 miles from Salt Lake City is Tech. If they put them in the Pacific division, then UCLA/USC get broken up, which I don’t see happening, and also doesn’t make a lot of sense.
Kansas at least would make more sense using the logic I used, and would add the Kansas City market (which I think is getting undersold quite a bit). I could see this one happening, if Kansas is willing to part ways with Kansas State. I’ve read that those two are not required to be in the same conference, but I read that on a Kansas City site, so we all know how reliable the information is(n’t).
UH, on the other hand, would help counteract what the SEC is trying to accomplish, which is to make inroads into Texas. It wouldn’t really help with the DFW market, but between Texas, Tech, Oklahoma, and Oklahoma State, there really isn’t much more that can be done there. On the other hand, aTm has a BIG influence in Houston, and I’d be willing to bet that’s what the SEC powers are thinking about, especially LSU.
UH could counteract some of that. Joining the PAC would immediately improve Houston’s recruiting, and this is a program on the rise. The only other schools with influence in Houston are Texas and Tech (and I think our influence is pretty minimal).
There would have to be some conditions to the invitation. They would have to meet certain attendance requirements within a certain amount of time, or run the risk of being removed from the conference.
It’s extremely unlikely, but if the Longhorn powers are as peeved as everyone has been saying at the Ags, I could almost see them suggesting this out of pure vindictiveness.
by RaiderForLife95 on Jun 12, 2010 5:10 PM CDT reply actions
The commissioner o the SEC was meeting with A&M officials in College Station today. Most of you think A&M would struggle if they went to the SEC in two years. Do most of you think that A&M is going to dominate the Pac 10 in two years? My guess is that most of you do not. If we are not going to dominate the conference (I am of the opinion that we will improve over the next two years) then we might as well be in the best football conference in the land, that pays us the most also. The Pac 10 is a terrible fit for A&M culturally. If the sips did not care about A&M going to the Pac 10, they would not have threatened to never play us in any sport ever again. I personally think they are so shocked that we just did not step in line ad follow their lead that they did not know what to do. It is looking more and more like A&M is going to join the SEC.
BTW, there is no 72 hour deadline. A&M will announce their decision after their regents hold an official meeting. They have to announce a meeting 72 hours in advance. No meeting has been scheduled yet. If I were to take a guess today, I think A&M is going to end up in the SEC and Utah in the Pac 10.
If A&M goes to the SEC...
I hope Texas nor Tech schedules them ever again. Culture? So the Agggies have more in common with Alabama and Florida than their fellow Texans? Really?
In addition, A&M would be providing the SEC a direct line to Texas recruits. Why would Texas or Tech provide the Ags ANY exposure opportunities? Ags want the SEC?…..then march their myopic paranoid xenophobic butts to Ol’ Dixie to play ball. Not in my state.
by ForestFlyer on Jun 12, 2010 11:00 PM CDT up reply actions
they hardly fit with the SEC culture
that culture being ‘not underachieving at football’
by kevinkinsler on Jun 12, 2010 11:03 PM CDT up reply actions
I question the part about making more money in the SEC
But if the ags want to go there, it suits me fine.
About recruiting, I don’t see that to be the problem since they have a Top Ten or Top Twenty recruiting class every year the way it is. If it opens an SEC door into Texas recruiting, it would not help atm but it might hurt the rest of the Texas schools. Talk about burning bridges.
"I’ve established a reputation for integrity. I have maintained those high standards" - Craig James
More in common
With SEC schools than Cal, Oregon St, Oregon etc.
As for recruiting, SEC would help us with the kids who want to play in the SEC, but whose momma’s want them to play in the state. We will see how it all works out.
If A&M is willing to forgo the series with tu to go to the SEC, do you think we really care whether we play Tech or not?
by miketag on Jun 13, 2010 1:42 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions
I don't think you particularly care if A&M plays Tech or not, but I'm willing to bet that some people do.
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After going 4-11 against Tech in recent years
I can understand your sentiment.
"I’ve established a reputation for integrity. I have maintained those high standards" - Craig James
Twitter updates
from Chip Brown and Chris Level tonight say the A&M board of regents have the votes to go to the SEC and could announce the move as early as next week. If this is the case, the October 30th game against the aggies could be it for us for a very long time.
You know what – I wish them luck, really. I hope they represent our state well.
just checked (and added)
all the blogs from our hopefully-soon-to-be PAC X brothers and they seem to want Utah over aggie anyways
I say let them go. Then we won’t really be rivals after all, not that I’ll care. Point me to the beach!
Haven't heard? Aggies aren't our rivals
They insist on this every year when we play them. Maybe if they could have called up some of the emotion they muster when they play UT, they wouldn’t have been beaten like a drum by Tech every year. Or that’s the theory anyway. But they aren’t our rival. They mean it.
"I can't believe I finally decide to let a girl into my life and she tries to eat me" - Zombieland
That's it..
Tech was so fundamentally inferior….they just weren’t worth the effort. That line will serve them well in the SEC.
by ForestFlyer on Jun 12, 2010 11:34 PM CDT up reply actions
Go check out California Golden Blogs.
Great guys. They already like us.
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We need to call Twistnhook out
He said he was coming over here once he could post, but that was Friday.
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Hey I've got a great idea!
A &M could take Boise States place in the WAC. Just think they could be cock of the walk in that conference. Have a winning record every year. Hell even a big rivalry aggie vs aggie game with NM State.
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