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  Stirring up a Hornets Nest:  Honestly, I didn't think that I'd get 150 comments on yesterday's Five Questions.  I somewhat thought that we had just about argued out the whole Sheffield vs. Potts argument over the offseason and that this would be like rehashing the sports debate, "Pete Rose - should he be in the hall of fame?" or Emmit Smith vs. Barry Sanders?  I think it's great that we're still passionate about this team and I also appreciate your ability to keep things civil.  That makes me happy. 

I do have one housekeeping request, which is if you create a FanPost or a FanShot, the more descriptive a title the better.  This helps me and other readers know if something has been posted before.  For example, this FanPost talks about the new recruit, LaDarrin Robertson, but then this FanShot does the same thing and I'm guessing that's the case because the FanPost's title wasn't as descriptive.  And just so you know, it is constantly preached to us SB Nation writers to write good headlines. 

Good Guys:  LAJ's Matthew McGowan has a good story about how 14 Texas Tech athletes visited with children at Covenant Lakeside Hospital.  The only athletes mentioned by name was LB Brian Duncan, QB Taylor Potts and DL Coach Sam McElroy.  I wish they would have given the names of all of the Texas Tech athletes that were a part of this.

Combating Misinformation and Expecting a Payday:  ESPN's Jeff Caplan said that Big 12 Commissioner Dan Beebe didn't like all of the misinformation out there . . . on the internets:

"I think there's such a leap to get to the airwaves or the Internet that it was, frankly, somewhat disappointing about how little attention was given to whether something was true or not," Beebe said. "We have not changed our revenue distribution formula whatsoever. Whatever institutions at any level in our conference were able to achieve before, they still have the same ability. There's no different -- nobody got more money."

Okay.  Let's see you do something about it.

But now, Beebe also talks about the $20 million promised to UT, OU and TAMU:

"They all said 'Look, we think you're going to achieve $20 million a year in total revenue distribution.' Another big misnomer is all television. Total revenue distribution in 2012-13. 'So we're going to make a calculated judgment that we're not going to have to worry about it, but we will guarantee you that you won't be lower than that in '12-'13,'" Beebe said.

"You've heard a couple of institutions say that's a kind, generous, thoughtful offer, but it's not something we're going to take advantage of," Beebe said. "The board hasn't treated that offer, hasn't been finalized. It's something that's been a good-faith offer that was in the course of a very heated, difficult and scary time for some of the institutions about what was going to remain for them if we didn't continue."

But, according DMN's Chuck Carlton, to Texas A&M president R. Bowen Loftin, there was a commitment and a promise of $20 million:

"A key part of Texas A&M's decision to remain in the Big 12 earlier this summer was the commissioner's commitment that Texas A&M would receive a minimum of $20 million annually in future conference distributions," Loftin's statement read. "We remain committed to the conference, and fully anticipate that the Big 12 will honor its commitment to Texas A&M."

More on TAMU's demands, after the jump.

Star-divide

And there's more, in the Houston Chronicle, TAMU would take legal action if the $20 million is not delivered:

And what happens if the Big 12 doesn’t honor its $20 million pledge? A high-ranking A&M official said late Wednesday that every legal avenue would be explored first, with the potential of bolting for the Southeastern Conference coming after.

Snip.

The A&M official said Wednesday it wasn’t the school’s "concern" how the Big 12 got its money together for the revenue distribution — just that it lived up to its promise of $20 million annually, starting in 2012-13. The league’s pledge is oral, and the A&M official said the school’s lawyers are working to get the commitment in writing.

I wonder if that offer to the SEC was a one-time deal or if the offer is always out there?  And I'm sure that this will make some Ags angry, but this reeks of desperation to get their athletic department's head above water (and to answer anyone's question, yes, I understand complicated lending transactions as I have drawn up paperwork, overseen and closed many on my own in the $14 million range) on the part of the Aggies and if they really wanted the promise, then they should have got it in writing when the deal was finalized. 

This should be fun.

Wrapping Up Big 12 Media Days:  LAJ's Don Williams has a story on the Stoops and Brown saying that the Big 12-2 is still strong, as well as a notebook from yesterday's contingent of Kansas, Oklahoma, Texas and Colorado. 

Omaha.com's Lee Barfknecht mused about the Big 12 Media Days:

3. The more I hear Texas A&M coach Mike Sherman talk, the more I hear the voice and plan of Bill Callahan, right down to the NFL lingo. To Aggies everywhere, that should sent a major shiver down your spines.

Snip.

5. Both the new coaches -- Tommy Tuberville at Texas Tech and Turner Gill at Kansas -- made strong first impressions. After listening to Tuberville, I was ready to suit up. He is a normal man with a wonderfully sensible plan. With the talent and facilities in Lubbock, the Red Raiders might soon become a big winner regularly.

Whitlock's Quiet Day:  I didn't know that the Daily Toreador is back at work and noticed DT's Jon Arnold talked with DT Colby Whitlock about this being about team:

"For some reason, everything was focused on offense," he said. "I'm a team player. I wanted the players to know pretty quick this is going to be about team.

"It's not going to be about special teams or defense or offense. It's going to be about team. Everybody is going to play their part, play their role and get the job done. If we do that, then we've got a much better chance of winning a championship than we do if we separate the team."

Red Raider Preview:  Dave Campbell's Texas Football's Travis Stewart takes a look at the Red Raiders and this was actually a pretty good read.  More editorial than story and I appreciated that.  Here's a snippet:

So before we even get to the Xs and Os of it all, it's worth noting that Leach's absence is just as much about persona as it is performance. It's trendy for writers to say that a new coach is a "turning of a new leaf". But in this case, we're installing an entirely different ecosystem. Leach was all about inconsistency — yes, he had certain stable elements, like his fancy for the passing game, powerful defense of his quarterbacks' pro potential and low-tolerance policy for kids that were out of line. But, more or less, every day was an adventure — he always disciplined kids, but usually took a creative (if not NCAA-sanctioned) approach to it. And his grimy, crumpled little slip of paper that he masterminded his offense with from the sideline is a far cry from the massive play books some college coaches lean on. He was just ... wild. He's the kind of guy that would make you say ... "He's just ... man, he's unbelievable sometimes."

Tuberville is the exact opposite. He's incredibly composed. I've heard him called a "politician," which I really can't confirm or deny. Mack Brown would be a phenomenal political, and in some ways, Tuberville is like that. He can talk to anybody. When he enters a room, he's going to smile and shake 1,000 hands. When it comes to coaching, he's not only a professional Xs and Os man ... he's a professional face of the program. Leach, in his own way, was too. But he'd land himself in the fire just as often as he'd safely maintain it. Tuberville, aside from his understandable gaffe a few weeks back on the radio (he has been allowed to do the whole media thing for a year, now) will never have that problem.

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What time do you get up in the a.m., Seth? jeez...

I think we need an analysis of “A day in the life of DTN Editor”…do you sleep?

"Fill it up again". "It's so good! Once it hits your lips it's so good!" -Frank the Tank

by rindworld on Jul 29, 2010 6:15 AM CDT reply actions  

This morning I got up at 4:30 a.m.

I don’t sleep well and I’ve never been able to sleep late. It’s a curse and a blessing.

Go Raiders . . .
Double-T Nation

by Seth C on Jul 29, 2010 6:28 AM CDT up reply actions  

Wait till you get the little one

Then you really will know getting up early.

ut is "The Evil Empire"

by cweber7377 on Jul 29, 2010 7:23 AM CDT up reply actions  

No kidding

I have 2 alarm clocks(kids) and that means getting 5 hours of sleep a night is a luxury.

"You've got to find your inner pirate" - Mike Leach

by Raider1992 on Jul 29, 2010 9:03 AM CDT up reply actions  

I'm usually at work by that time.

Plus having a kiddo at home, you’re already on track.

I agree, it’s a curse and a blessing.

" Answers --Become Resources."
Without Questions, There are limited Resources...

by KWashburn on Jul 31, 2010 7:17 AM CDT up reply actions  

"With the talent and facilities in Lubbock, the Red Raiders might soon become a big winner regularly."

" With the talent and facilities in Lubbock, the Red Raiders might soon become a big winner regularly."

Hasn’t anybody outside Tech circles noticed that regularly is exactly what Tech has been when it comes to winning? Nobody outside Oklahoma and Texas have been better:

9,8,8,9,8,9,11,9 – Total Tech wins per season over the last 8 years.

by mbrown603 on Jul 29, 2010 7:23 AM CDT reply actions   1 recs

+1000

I was thinking the same thing. What have we been doing the last 10 years.

ut is "The Evil Empire"

by cweber7377 on Jul 29, 2010 7:24 AM CDT up reply actions  

Great point. I think Tech is the most discounted school in college football. This program has been winning convincingly for 10 years.

"You've got to find your inner pirate" - Mike Leach

by Raider1992 on Jul 29, 2010 9:05 AM CDT up reply actions  

The shadow of OU and Tex hides our accomplishmets of adding up wins but not capturing a title, ala Missouri, or Kansas (BCS Win)

by Gus Mitchem on Jul 29, 2010 9:57 AM CDT up reply actions  

All I see...

is just one 10+ win season. Tech took a MASSIVE step up from Spike with Leach at the helm, but it would be nice to see that average go from 8.5 wins (I think this is about what Leach ended with) to 9.5 to 10. Not saying Tubs will or won’t do it, and I’m also not saying that the Captain couldn’t have got it done. But, can you imagine where Tech would have been with those win totals at 10, 9, 9, 10, 9, 10, 12, 10?

by TheScarletandTheBlack on Jul 29, 2010 10:39 AM CDT up reply actions  

Agree...

The quote says"big winner", not just “winner”. In this league, with our competition, I conisder BIG to mean 10+ win seasons. No doubt we have been a consistent winner for a decade, but we have been far from a BIG winner with no outright championships and no BCS berths. As long as our greatest accomplishment is a regular season victory over Texas in 2008, followed by an loss in the Cotton Bowl….we should not be looking for national praise that uses any other language except “consistent”.

"I ma not saying I am prepared to do what I am asking you to do...I just need you to do it better...and faster."

by TTUMAR on Jul 29, 2010 11:13 AM CDT up reply actions  

9 wins a season is nothing to sneeze at. 80% of Bowl Subdivision schools would love to be in our shoes

Including but not limited to:
Michigan
Notre Dame
UCLA
Washington
Tennessee
Georgia
Miami
Stanford
Michigan State
Florida State

Most college football teams don’t win 9 games a year. Fewer still average 9 wins a year over a decade. I hope we take the next step up, but if we don’t, be sure to smell the roses because for Texas Tech football, these are the Good Old Days.

by mbrown603 on Jul 29, 2010 11:20 AM CDT up reply actions  

8.4 != 9

Leach won 84 games over 10 years, that’s not quite 9 a year.

by TheScarletandTheBlack on Jul 29, 2010 11:44 AM CDT up reply actions  

He was only counting the last 8 years

I guess that’s when you could assume that Leach was really able to start getting his players together, get a grip on the whole head coach thing, and what not.

Which ends up being like 8.875 wins per year. Still not 9, but you know…. rounding and all.

by merrik on Jul 29, 2010 11:55 AM CDT up reply actions  

Well if you really wanna get technical...

and talk about just Leach’s players, then only the last 6 years should count (since by that time all Spike’s guys are gone). You also can only credit him with 8 wins last season (bowl game won’t count).

That leaves him with seasons of 8, 9, 8, 9, 11, 8. That’s still an average less than 9. My point in the original post was looking more at the difference in what Leach did, and what would have made Tech “big winners” was just about one more win a season. I don’t think it’s so far fetched to think that we could have won 6-10 more during Leach’s tenure (in fact, I bet everyone here can name off 6-10 games that should have been W’s that weren’t).

As I said earlier, I’m not trying to start anything, I’m only stating the facts.

by TheScarletandTheBlack on Jul 29, 2010 12:22 PM CDT up reply actions  

depends on your standard

Longhorn fans like to tout how Mack hasn’t had a sub-10 win season for the last nine years. But the only way that bears out is if you count bowl wins in ’06 & ’07. (One of which (2006) was an Alamo Bowl win)

by HeeroTX on Jul 29, 2010 1:21 PM CDT up reply actions  

I understand that Leach is the anti-Christ

He drank too much and he refused to wear a tie. I get all that. That’s why I didn’t use his name. I was only describing the state of the football program as of today.

by mbrown603 on Jul 29, 2010 12:22 PM CDT up reply actions  

Why?

When have I ever bashed Leach? All I said is he didn’t win 9 games a year, and that he was a drastic step in the right direction after Spike.

I’m sorry you have some issue with me, but I never once said anything remotely close to what you’re accusing me of.

by TheScarletandTheBlack on Jul 29, 2010 12:25 PM CDT up reply actions  

Well, I was replying to TTUMAR, so there's nothing to take personally

And I was just offering a perspective that poor mouthing the accomplishments of this football program isn’t justified. Could things be better? Sure, we could be the University of Texas the last 10 years. Or Florida, or Oklahoma. But the next step up will be a degree of difficulty that dwarfs what it took to reach where we are today along with the ease and the distance we could fall from here if we make enough bad moves. In the game of King of the Mountain, the closer you are to the peak, the more people you have trying to push you off.

by mbrown603 on Jul 29, 2010 12:32 PM CDT up reply actions  

It was posted as a reply to something I said...

therefore I thought it was aimed at me. If it was not, then I apologize.

I’m also in the boat that we’re definitely trending up, and that’s all owed to Leach. But, as you said, I also see how things could have been better. Just an extra 6-10 wins during Leach’s tenure would have put Tech with the elite (and we could probably all pickout close to a game a year that shouldn’t have been a loss).

by TheScarletandTheBlack on Jul 29, 2010 12:37 PM CDT up reply actions  

You will have to excuse Scarlet's confusion.

After all, reading my comment, and your response, it was not in any way clear that you were talking to me. This may be do to the fact that it seems illogical to paint my comments as “poor mouthing”. My opinion is 8.5 wins is not great, elite, or BIG. Stating that our club is consistent but not one that should be described as BIG winners is simply fact. As usual, your measures for success are simply lower than mine. I agree that its possible that our best days are behind us, though not likely. That being said, I just don’t see the point in romanticizing the past is helpful.

"I ma not saying I am prepared to do what I am asking you to do...I just need you to do it better...and faster."

by TTUMAR on Jul 29, 2010 1:19 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

I'm romanticizing the present

The Aztec calender didn’t reach 0 on Dec. 30th, 2009 & start over. The season set to begin is the one immediately following our most recent 9 win season. With most of the same players. These are the good old days.

by mbrown603 on Jul 29, 2010 1:49 PM CDT up reply actions  

Lets win a championship or 10...

got to some BCS games, play in the NCG once or twice, gorw old….and then bitch about the good old days, deal?

"Dress good, yu'll play good. Play good, yu'll get paid good." -Deion Sanders

by TTUMAR on Jul 29, 2010 1:53 PM CDT up reply actions  

grow

"Dress good, yu'll play good. Play good, yu'll get paid good." -Deion Sanders

by TTUMAR on Jul 29, 2010 1:53 PM CDT up reply actions  

My Final Thoughts on Enjoying the Moment

25 years ago a wise young man looked right into the camera and said:

“Life moves pretty fast. If you don’t stop every now and then to take a look, you just might miss it”

Man, I miss John Hughes.

by mbrown603 on Jul 29, 2010 2:32 PM CDT up reply actions  

Not to mention that with the exception of Stanford..

Every one of the programs you have listed are historically good recruiting schools who have grossly underperformed in recent history. Not a list I want to be on if we can help it.

"I ma not saying I am prepared to do what I am asking you to do...I just need you to do it better...and faster."

by TTUMAR on Jul 29, 2010 11:53 AM CDT up reply actions  

where ya been TTUMAR ?

But several of those schools have been national champions. If you look at what has caused the majority of the “slides”, I would say it was coaching changes. Bobby Bowden aside.

"I thought happiness was Lubbock, Texas in my rearview mirror" Mac Davis

by MFAB91 on Jul 29, 2010 1:23 PM CDT up reply actions  

I've been watching and reading...

Hasn’t been much new to discuss, but I can smell football in the air. I agree most of the clubs are house hold names with great past sucess which is why Brown included them in the list. However, in the past 8 years or so, most have gone the way of NE, that is to say grossly underperforming their budgets and recruiting classes.

"I ma not saying I am prepared to do what I am asking you to do...I just need you to do it better...and faster."

by TTUMAR on Jul 29, 2010 1:39 PM CDT up reply actions  

Agree on the underperforming !!

If HCTT has open practice, will you be reporting on the action for us?

"I thought happiness was Lubbock, Texas in my rearview mirror" Mac Davis

by MFAB91 on Jul 29, 2010 4:14 PM CDT up reply actions  

Maybe thats why Texas is so scared and using every advantage they have, because its so easy with one bad move then its at least a decade to recover

by Gus Mitchem on Jul 29, 2010 4:29 PM CDT up reply actions  

Several National Champions in this list !!

"I thought happiness was Lubbock, Texas in my rearview mirror" Mac Davis

by MFAB91 on Jul 29, 2010 1:26 PM CDT up reply actions  

Bebee is a sleaze...

Really no other way around it

"Life is short, tell me how you really feel"- me

by oldschoolraider on Jul 29, 2010 7:48 AM CDT via mobile reply actions  

CTT's statement was a gaffe?

Bullsh..he was speaking from a genuine place and it was a hit with me. Coachspeak is tiring.

"Life is short, tell me how you really feel"- me

by oldschoolraider on Jul 29, 2010 7:51 AM CDT via mobile reply actions  

All I got out of that is

“F***! You! Aggies!…. and Beebe!”

by RdrPwr on Jul 29, 2010 8:06 AM CDT reply actions  

Don't fall in the trap...

This is probably going to be an unpopular opinion, but I don’t blame Loftin for going public and calling for the B12 and specifically Beebe to honor thier committments. I do think a big part of their decision was the guarantee. And it is bullshit for Beebe to try to pressure aTm to decline the offer like UT and OU.

The deal Beebe made was bullshit to begin with and I am against it. But now it looks like he is trying to apply public pressure to get out of the bad deal he created.

The reality is the guarantee doesn’t impact UT or OU b/c they will likely make more than $20M based on their appearances anyway. So it’s easy for them to decline the offer b/c that offer doesn’t earn them a single dollar. No necessarily so with aTm.

I see this as similar to how I can’t stand how Tech has treated Leach. Tech made a committment (though it was a written contract, not a verbal agreement) and is not living up to their end of the deal. The B12 and Beebe made a committment to aTm and now he is trying to get out of having to honor what was the agreement. It’s total BS.

So I say don’t let your hatred of aTm cloud your opinion of this crap. Even though that is not easy…

IMWTx

"We thought we were too good to play Texas Effin' A&M" -Leach et al

by imisswesttexas on Jul 29, 2010 9:07 AM CDT reply actions  

My hatred has quickly expanded to include

not only UT, aTm, OU, Ok St, USC, and brussel sprouts to now also include Big 12 officials, Tech Officials, Government officials,….. pretty much all officials (call me a rebel I guess), Katy Perry, Roosters, and much much more.

by RdrPwr on Jul 29, 2010 9:34 AM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

“Professionally” speaking, our admin has every reason and right to hate Dan Beebe and the Big12-2 because of the garbage with how they handle themselves and the conference’s money. On a “personal” level, our admin must LOVE Dan Beebe right now as we (Texas Tech) has reverted to a bunker mentality (us against the world) MUCH faster because of this Big12 implosion nonsense than we would have otherwise because of the Leach firing. I’m not saying we all love our admins now, but they’ve definitely moved DOWN on the hate list because of all this.

by HeeroTX on Jul 29, 2010 9:47 AM CDT up reply actions  

You speak of your distain like it has to be a zero sum game....

personally, I believe I can still HATE the belltower boys, teasips, reality shows,and include beebe without losing any momentum.

We all knew that “saving” the B12 was bullshit when hance came out with his glowing remarks.

How I would have loved to see the UCLA dance team during basketball season…..sigh.

"There's going to be ups and downs but you have to enjoy the battle." Mike Leach

by blackbeard on Jul 29, 2010 1:25 PM CDT up reply actions  

I can think of others to watch

and not really have to mute it even. She and Obama are single handedly ruining an entire generation! haha

by RdrPwr on Jul 29, 2010 11:25 AM CDT up reply actions  

I vote for Katy Perry

"No bullfights. No gambling. No donkeys. No vanilla extracts. No piñatas. None of that stuff. Straight football. No switchblades."
- Mike Leach

by San Antonio Red Raider on Jul 29, 2010 1:02 PM CDT up reply actions  

The words Brick Outhouse come to mind

Or words to that effect.

She’s mighty mighty, just letting it all hang out.

by mbrown603 on Jul 29, 2010 1:06 PM CDT up reply actions  

Katfish should name her the startng QB

And we would all get along better.

"No bullfights. No gambling. No donkeys. No vanilla extracts. No piñatas. None of that stuff. Straight football. No switchblades."
- Mike Leach

by San Antonio Red Raider on Jul 29, 2010 1:24 PM CDT up reply actions  

Remember, that is

John Fitzgerald Katfish to you sir.

"There's going to be ups and downs but you have to enjoy the battle." Mike Leach

by blackbeard on Jul 29, 2010 1:26 PM CDT up reply actions  

Always

"No bullfights. No gambling. No donkeys. No vanilla extracts. No piñatas. None of that stuff. Straight football. No switchblades."
- Mike Leach

by San Antonio Red Raider on Jul 29, 2010 1:29 PM CDT up reply actions  

Well,well, well....

It must be fottball season. All the boys of summer are back.

"I ma not saying I am prepared to do what I am asking you to do...I just need you to do it better...and faster."

by TTUMAR on Jul 29, 2010 1:41 PM CDT up reply actions  

thought we were supposed to take July off like the coaches...

IMWTx

"We thought we were too good to play Texas Effin' A&M" -Leach et al

by imisswesttexas on Jul 29, 2010 1:45 PM CDT up reply actions  

I would just like to point out...

that 2010 represents an unprecedented turn of events for our Program. This will be the first full season of Tech football where tailgaters will be be able to buy booze on every corner of Lubbock.

"Dress good, yu'll play good. Play good, yu'll get paid good." -Deion Sanders

by TTUMAR on Jul 29, 2010 1:47 PM CDT up reply actions  

actually did that last year during half time...

there is a 7-forever on 4th and University…….ha.

"There's going to be ups and downs but you have to enjoy the battle." Mike Leach

by blackbeard on Jul 29, 2010 1:54 PM CDT up reply actions  

I bought a case of wine after the Oklahoma game at Sams

A thank you to my hosts who put up with me all season, every season. It was great to pay Sams prices rather than Strip prices for wine.

by mbrown603 on Jul 29, 2010 1:56 PM CDT up reply actions  

back in the day......

I had just turned 18 (legal then) and coming to Tech as a frosh…….the strip looked like Vegas compared to where I came from (abilene)

"There's going to be ups and downs but you have to enjoy the battle." Mike Leach

by blackbeard on Jul 29, 2010 1:58 PM CDT up reply actions  

When I was a kid and we were driving into Lubbock

I’d ask my parents to wake me so I could see the lights of the strip when we got close to town. Then, for a few years after I turned 21, I would get Christmas cards from Docs.

That was about the same time I decided it was time to move out of the Hub City.

"No bullfights. No gambling. No donkeys. No vanilla extracts. No piñatas. None of that stuff. Straight football. No switchblades."
- Mike Leach

by San Antonio Red Raider on Jul 29, 2010 2:01 PM CDT up reply actions  

just ready for sum

FOOTBAW

"There's going to be ups and downs but you have to enjoy the battle." Mike Leach

by blackbeard on Jul 29, 2010 1:55 PM CDT up reply actions  

Thank Goodness

All of this seriousness was wearing me out.

by RdrPwr on Jul 29, 2010 3:43 PM CDT up reply actions  

Was that the guvners cheer name at a&m?

"Life is short, tell me how you really feel"- me

by oldschoolraider on Jul 29, 2010 10:04 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

recced for the inclusion of katy perry...

…but, srsly, leave brussel sprouts out of this!

by 80sR8R on Jul 29, 2010 4:58 PM CDT up reply actions  

brussel sprouts hmmmm

Dated a girl for a while that. Nevermind

"There's going to be ups and downs but you have to enjoy the battle." Mike Leach

by blackbeard on Jul 29, 2010 5:20 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

They’re so gross though! I love pretty much every vegetable, including cabbage, but brussel sprouts. Just can’t do it.

by RdrPwr on Jul 30, 2010 12:43 PM CDT up reply actions  

Katy Perry?

Clearly she has no talent, but she’s nice to watch bouncing around with those ample cans.

Give 'Em Hell Tech!!!!!

by Plano Jeff on Jul 29, 2010 11:30 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

Dude

Look up Julianne Hough’s new music video. She actually has some sort of talent and looks much better.

by RdrPwr on Jul 30, 2010 12:44 PM CDT up reply actions  

+1

I wonder if a&m is starting to get concerned because they won’t be on tv enough to get to that $20 million payout so they want the amount guaranteed in writing ASAP. If they were to go to the SEC then they would need a second team as well and I can’t think of another team the SEC would be interested in. OU? they aren’t going to leave ut and ut doesn’t have any interest in the SEC so they aren’t an option.

by ttu-thewoodlands on Jul 29, 2010 9:46 AM CDT up reply actions  

From what I understand, they are saying they had an offer to join SEC which would have payed out $20-22M per year. So I think their point is they declined that based on the $20M floor guaranteed by B12.
I read this as aTm saying they want to hold that option in case they don’t earn $20M.

IMWTx

"We thought we were too good to play Texas Effin' A&M" -Leach et al

by imisswesttexas on Jul 29, 2010 10:34 AM CDT up reply actions  

I love this. I hope A&M gets mad enough to leave. That opens the doors again to join the Pac 16

The sooner the better. Nobody benefits from this UT and their several peasants conference. Not even UT, although they are too short sighted to see the damage it’s doing.

by mbrown603 on Jul 29, 2010 11:12 AM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

Beebe & Aggies

These 2 are the perfect fit for on another. I’m actually upbeat at the fact more drama is being raised about this conference and the so called money. I seriously doubt the SEC has any interest in A&M at this point. A month ago maybe but not now. I love the piece on Mike Sherman. Looks like aggies have more to worry about than just Big 12-2 money. I personally think verbal agreements should be worth something but in this day and age it’s probably not such a good idea. I’m still thinking the unequal revenue distribution is completely unfair and utterly wrong. Texas Tech is every bit as much as a television draw as TAMU. The DFW market is probably more favorable to Tech than A&M. I’ll avoid my further rant and just wait until this conference implodes.

"You've got to find your inner pirate" - Mike Leach

by Raider1992 on Jul 29, 2010 9:23 AM CDT reply actions  

DT Legal Review Correct Me If I'm Wrong

But from what I remember from my two business law classes back at that second rate school we call Texas Tech, a verbal contract (agreement) is still considered legally binding. It’s obviously more difficult to prove than a written contract but it is considered no less authoritative or binding on both parties.

by Boarder on Jul 29, 2010 11:06 AM CDT up reply actions  

Wouldn't the statute of frauds

preclude some sort of suit on TAMU’s part, but this is a pretty simplistic defense and I’m sure there’s something that says that this defense wouldn’t work? It’s been a while since I’ve studied statute of frauds, but for a transaction of this type, you would think you’d want it in writing (although I absolutely believe that Beebe has promised the world to everyone, but also told everyone that he can’t get a written agreement at this time . . . be cool and I’ll get you one ASAP).

Go Raiders . . .
Double-T Nation

by Seth C on Jul 29, 2010 12:28 PM CDT up reply actions  

Statute of frauds

I remember that term from law school, but I also remember a K has to have some “consideration” as well. Because this would have been technically a K extension, without a an addendum or schedule B, to incorporate into the old K for same terms, this verbal K is shaky if for no other reason Beebe shouldn’t have the authority as an agent of the 10 or 12 schools to offer his promise, and A&M as one of the the agents bosses knew that also. Also I remember a billion dollar deal, “Bethlehem Steel” being a handshake verbal K and it held up in court.

Give 'Em Hell Tech!!!!!

by Plano Jeff on Jul 29, 2010 11:39 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

In the situation we were all in, it was a promise to get those three schools to stay based on the other 7 agreeing, with no real hard numbers available and aggie knew that verbal wasn’t binding because it was all speculation, an agreement in principal is not a “done” deal.

Give 'Em Hell Tech!!!!!

by Plano Jeff on Jul 29, 2010 11:43 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

I don't get it

why would the SEC want ATM, why did they before…why in holy hell would ATM want to go to the SEC? ATM has been less than good the last several year…they would be the Baylor of the SEC…I also think the DFW market is favorable to Tech….it is A&M games are usually boring and end in a loss…

by jdangler on Jul 29, 2010 11:20 AM CDT up reply actions  

Atm

The SEC wants Atm because it will open the door even more for Texas recruits. There are lots of kids in Texas that would love to beat atm evey year. This theory is demonstrated when Arkansas joined the SEC and relativily left Texas, they have had trouble competing ever since, if momma cant see you play then your more likley not to go that far away from home.

Also, it opens up lots of TV sets. Dallas/Houston etc into the SEC viewing area, (albeit contested w XII). This is a weaker argument since the strength of the SEC and the dedication of what transplanted fans there might be the large metros generally get the SEC coverage.

Atm wants to go to the SEC because they believe its a cultural fit. Based on politics, love of the good ole days (tradition), age of institution / politics etc. Not to mention they have basically lost their position in Texas to US!

by Gus Mitchem on Jul 29, 2010 1:23 PM CDT up reply actions  

simple

Recruiting = Top talented players
Top talented players = Championship teams
Texas = Largest recruiting pool anywhere

LSU was said to be “sponsoring” the TAMU move. Think about it, LSU currently signs some recruits out of Houston/South east Texas area. How much would it open things up if they had an in-state team in the conference???
Believe me, LSU knows this. Arkansas knows this and so do the Miss schools. You gotta have players to compete and history has shown you don’t get high numbers of players unless you are in the region. Arkansas is a prime example of that….

IMWTx

"We thought we were too good to play Texas Effin' A&M" -Leach et al

by imisswesttexas on Jul 29, 2010 1:40 PM CDT up reply actions  

uh, to correct your logic....

recruiting = top talented players
top talented players = championship teams
texas = cheating, lying, stealing

"There's going to be ups and downs but you have to enjoy the battle." Mike Leach

by blackbeard on Jul 29, 2010 2:00 PM CDT up reply actions  

correct. nice update

IMWTx

"We thought we were too good to play Texas Effin' A&M" -Leach et al

by imisswesttexas on Jul 29, 2010 5:02 PM CDT up reply actions  

Now that the drama has died down and were back to reality, that being that there never was any real deal, the aggies are crying foul! Cant say I blame them but what idiciation did they have that any of the “agreements” were anything beyond hypothetical

by Gus Mitchem on Jul 29, 2010 10:00 AM CDT reply actions  

Hmmmm

So let me get this straight.

The Aggies are upset because

1. They turned down a hard $20 million offer from the SEC.

2. In exchange they accepted a hypothetical offer for $20 million based on a consultant’s projections.

3. Did not secure an agreement in writing.

4. And now are upset because
Beebe is trying to weasel out of his bullshit commitment?

What a bunch of Aggies!!!

"This time it's different."

by LondonRaider on Jul 29, 2010 11:33 AM CDT via mobile reply actions   2 recs

Them and Beebe,

deserve each other; if you ask me.

Tech doesn’t deserve either of them….

by TheScarletandTheBlack on Jul 29, 2010 11:52 AM CDT up reply actions  

Tah dah!!

" Answers --Become Resources."
Without Questions, There are limited Resources...

by KWashburn on Jul 31, 2010 7:30 AM CDT up reply actions  

Other Renegged Aggie Deals...

In the heat of A&M’s negotiations with the SEC a small faun who identified himself only as Mister Tumnus burst out of a nearby wardrobe and exclaimed,“WAIT! Don’t go! Aslan is coming, and he’s bringing everyone in the Big 12 Turkish Delight! You’ll miss it if you leave!”.

This factored greatly into the Aggies’ decision to stay in the Big 12.

That, in addition to $20 million for being mediocre at just about everything, plus rumored offers from Willy Wonka to give them the Wonka-mobile and Lion-O from Thundercats to give them the Eye of Thundera and give them all Thundercat powers really pushed the Aggies into making the decision to not to get their heads beat in for the next 10 years in the SEC.

Suffice to say none of these promises has held water and the Aggies feel very jilted about this. If only they hadn’t drank the fizzy lifting drink.

by merrik on Jul 29, 2010 12:13 PM CDT reply actions  

A&M should

Expect in one hand and crap in the other, and see which one fills up first.

"Life is short, tell me how you really feel"- me

by oldschoolraider on Jul 29, 2010 10:09 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

1992 – Nice link, looks to me as more of an indication of infighting among the atm world. A certain small group wanted to stay in the Texas league and others that might actually control things really want to go to the SEC and are going to continue to ruffell feathers

by Gus Mitchem on Jul 29, 2010 1:28 PM CDT reply actions  

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