Post Game Thoughts | Texas Longhorns 24, Texas Tech Red Raiders 14
by Seth C on Sep 19, 2010 10:40 AM CDT
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THE RESULT | I'M DONE | I don't know if I've tried to defend QB Taylor Potts, but I've certainly tried to be fair to him. I've tried to give him an opportunity to show that he's capable of leading this team. I've tried to be patient and I'm done. I've always thought that he shouldn't be the starting quarterback, but I was willing to give him the benefit of the doubt and he could prove me wrong. Every time I think about this situation, I stop and think that both Mike Leach and Tommy Tuberville came to the same conclusion, that Potts was the signal-caller that would lead this team. That still boggles my mind. It's tough to say what Leach would have done this year (I can assure you that no one, and I mean no one can accurately predict what Leach would have or would not have done. It's an exercise in futility.). But I'm there now. I've seen enough. But I also don't know how to handle this role. I'm not going to be the blogger that goes on a tirade and demands each and every day that the quarterback be replaced. That's just not my personality. I still want this to be fun and being the angry-blogger would be bad for my mental health. What I will write is that I know that the line hasn't performed up to our expectations and that the offensive play-calling should be better, but Potts just doesn't have it. Doesn't matter to me if it's Steven Sheffield or Seth Doege or Jacob Karam. I just can't defend Potts anymore.
Storylines and MVP's after the jump.
THE STORYLINES |
BEGETTING AND BEGETTING | So how does this work? Is it poor offensive line play begets an inability to call half-way decent offensive game plan begets negative rushing yards? Or is it poor offensive gameplan begets an inability to run begets poor offensive line play? Or is it no running game begets poor offensive line play begets poor offensive gameplan? I don't know, hopefully you see where I'm going with this, which is that you can't blame one with out blaming the other. And you could certainly add quarterback play in there, I wasn't trying to ignore this, but rather focus on some other things for a moment. I'm not sure how to wrap your head around all of this, but here's what I watched: The offensive line cannot handle speed rushers. They're just not quick enough to even so much as to get a hand on these guys. I might suggest that LaAdrian Waddle and Mickey Okafor and Chris Olson and who ever else might play the tackle position, to get some reps in against Brian Duncan and Scott Smith this week. Or maybe this is why a true freshman, Beau Carpenter, made such an impression this spring and fall. Perhaps the staff knew that they had a bunch of big guys that couldn't handle a speed rush to save their life and openly welcomes a player like Carpenter? I don't know the answer to this, but I'm more than willing to see if he can handle a pass-rush.
The other thing that really bothers me about the offensive line is that the interior line can't get their bodies on anyone. Trying to run a rushing play inside looks like a complete cluster-eff. For an offensive line to be as big as they are, it's a complete disaster and like watching a Keystone Cops routine where linemen are just running around, without purpose, and bumping into something.
But it was the overall offensive performance that was the most frustrating. And although I was somewhat joking about what begets the overall play, it's hard to call a game when the offensive line plays awful, but it's also hard to win a game when the quarterback takes one shot down the field and almost everything is underneath and premeditated.
I mentioned that one of my keys to the game would be how offensive coordinator Neal Brown would matchup against one of the best defensive coordinators in the country in Will Muschamp. Brown has a lot to learn and I still think he's a smart guy and I still think he's the right person for the job, but he's got to be better and he knows it:
"Obviously a very poor performance on the offensive side of the ball, and you don’t need to be a brain scientist to figure that out," Tech offensive coordinator Neal Brown said. "We’re not going to beat anybody like that, much less Texas."
And Tuberville isn't passing the buck:
It's just I did a poor job of getting the offense ready to play. We were overemotional to begin with. The bad snap put us in a big bind, big bind. And that's just our guys were just too psyched up. You know, we never had a bad snap in practice.But, you've got to learn from it. But as I told them, you know, they played in spurts, no consistency. That's reading your practice. We'll come back tomorrow, look at the film and try to get better.
But I don't have to tell all of you that that just wasn't a very good football game on our side as a team, and again, there are some part of it were good, some parts of it wasn't very good.
Words are nice, but we need to see some action and I appreciate this, but it's time to do something.
THE INEFFICIENCY OF THE OFFENSE AND POTTS | I could certainly run down Potts' and the offense's inefficiency. It's not hard to find. Only 4.4 yards per passing attempt. Only 144 total yards of offense. Only 2.7 yards per play. Only 3 of 13 on third downs. I could go on for days, but I won't.
The truth of the matter is that I'm a complete homer and I will cheer for a player personally. I still cheer for Potts and hope that he does well. It's intellectually dishonest for me to think that Potts still has it in him. The thing that I don't get, and keep in mind that Leach reached the same conclusion last year too, is how Potts can be such a convincing choice in practice while Sheffield isn't? When I was driving up for the SMU game, we were talking about Potts vs. Sheffield and I mentioned my half-assed theory about how if Potts is the starter, you don't have any sort of spark to come off the bench and possibly lead a team. It seems like a ridiculous reason not to start a player (i.e., is player A better than player B?), but I have a lot of completely unproven theories.
I don't know if this is a case where this staff or the former staff felt as if they had invested too much in Potts to let that talent not get on the field, but the mistakes that Potts is making are mistakes that a 5th year senior quarterback should make. Even more interesting, if you're watching Raider Power '10, Potts is the featured offensive player. At some point, that will have to stop.
But I don't know what to do as a fan or as a blogger. I don't think that the pressure of a blog will force a staff to make a change. I feel helpless and truthfully, I felt a little helpless last year too.
DISAPPEARANCE OF THE SCREEN GAME | I'll stop beating this dead horse in a minute, but last but not least, the running back screen game, that would seemingly neutralize an attacking defense has almost disappeared. Thus far this season, RB Eric Stephens has 3 catches for 43 yards and RB Baron Batch has 2 receptions for 10 yards. One of Graham Harrell's best traits was his innate ability to float the ball over a rushing defensive lineman that would then make and/or force the defense to play back a bit. After watching Potts, I don't think he has the ability to make this throw, otherwise we'd be seeing more of these screens. I don't have much to comment on it because I think the play on the field speaks for itself. Perhaps OC Brown needs to start here. Any other suggestions are welcome.
STILL MAKING PLAYS | Never saw it coming from Scott Smith. That guy was amazing. I don't know if I have much to add on that, but it was a tremendous effort: 6 tackles, 3 TFL, 1 forced fumble, 2 sacks, 1 interception and 3 tipped passes. Can't ask much more from Smith and actually, I thought the entire defense played up to expectations. Tuberville obviously has some serious work to do on the offense, but this defense has a different attitude. The best thing about this defense is that they still made plays and they kept the offense in the game for the most part. Were they perfect? No, there's still work to be done, but I'd like to think that if we can be negative we can also be a little bit positive. DC James Willis has revamped this defense into something that I'm really proud of and I think it's only going to get better. CB Jarvis Phillips is a freaking redshirt freshman who was originally a quarterback in high school. He's become a play-making cornerback. And for the day, the defense had 10 TFL, 3 interceptions, and 3 sacks. The touchdown from Gilbert to Davis was disappointing, but the defense had been on the field for almost 40 minutes last night (37:44 for UT and 22:16 for TTU). The Texas Tech offense never the defense a chance.
TAUNTING | There's really not much more for me to add here. Obviously, Will Ford never should have gotten in the face of the receiver, but this led to a back-breaking touchdown. I don't think the offense had it in them to score.
QUICK HITS
- OC Brown said that his offense was predicated on getting the ball into the playmaker's hands. That's not happening. Every receiver was virtually non-existant. Brown's got to figure out a way to get the ball to these guys in space. Right now the offense is befuddled and UT was able to simply stop the run with just 4 defenders and play everyone back. This reminds me of Missouri from previous years. There are ways to beat this type of defense, but UT showed the rest of the Big 12 how to play this offense. It's Brown's move.
- CB Tre` Porter was tremendous. He doesn't play like a true freshman. Give him this year and he's like to be considered an all-conference player by next year.
- Texas Tech managed only 54 plays. Sheesh.
- The most disappointing thing about this offensive line is that they're not physical. It really doesn't matter what scheme you run, wishbone or the spread, you still have to be physical at the point of attack. That's not happening.
- DT Colby Whitlock made plays and beat double-teams. We need more of this please.
- The Longhorns averaged only 2.2 yards per rush.
OFFENSIVE MVP | WR LYLE LEONG | I was tempted to choose no one, but that's a cop-out. At the very least, Leong made one play. It would be nice to see some of the other skill position players start making plays.
DEFENSIVE MVP | DE SCOTT SMITH | See above. This kid was dominating.
SPECIAL TEAMS MVP | P JONATHAN LACOUR | It's never a good sign when your punter is the special teams MVP. I wish the staff would put him back on scholarship.
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Gonna read your thoughts shortly, but here is my quick analysis
Posted in drive chart thread, but interested in your thoughts so posting again here…
Forget the names, let’s talk scheme comparisons (even though yall know I’m comparing Leach to Brown):
- Run game needs to produce to open up the pass. WTF? That is STUPID.
- This exact team excelled in the screen game until this year. One of the best in the country!
- If run not working, use screens and draws to open up the pass game.
- QB had more freedom to audible. We saw what happened when they only have 1 or 2 reads. When covered up, it’s oh shit what now
- No slants/intermediate post routes to get ball in space.
- Gotta go down field with the ball some to open up space in the short routes.
- tighter splits in o-line = no space to run the ball.
This scheme brings the splits in closer so it brings the D-line in closer in the box. Both Stephens and Batch excell when they get in some open space. We’re NOT an SEC running game. Hell we’re not a D-2 running game. But it’s not the talent or the effort, it’s the F-ing scheme!!!
Tubs and Brown have to get in their head that we MUST pass to open up the running game. It is NOT gonna work the other way around. SEC teams run to open the pass. WE DO NOT!!!
IMWTx
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by imisswesttexas on Sep 19, 2010 10:46 AM CDT reply actions
We PASS to freaking PASS some More then run when we get bored!!
That worked pretty freaking well for 10 or so years around here. IMO we needed a defense to get to the next level Not a better running Game!
by Filemon G on Sep 19, 2010 12:55 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
That very statement ought to be on a banner inside the locker room.
You summed that up perfectly.
"uh, uh, well, uh yeah, I think the guys, uh played, uh pretty well in the second
half." The captains words, after uh, the insight bowl. You're the best Mike!
Agree with your analysis
Pass to open the run game
"We made a lot of mistakes we shouldn't have" Tommy Tuberville
All of which begs the question: If you inherited an offense ranked #4 in the country WHY WOULD YOU CHANGE ANYTHING?!
Do you really think your tweaks will move the offense up the rankings from #4 to say #2? It’s much, much more likely you will ruin the very thing you were so fortunate to have land in your lap.
My advice to Brown & Tuberville? Let the QB’s call the play at the line of scrimmage. The OC calling the play just shrinks the chance that the ball will be going to the right player given the defense on that play. Get Kliff Kingsbury on staff or get Sonnie Cumbie to work on the details to get the Air Raid back to where it has been for the last 10 years. Every skill position player was running it last season. It won’t be that hard of a transition. Admit defeat in trying to create this hybrid University of Miami 1988 offense & Air Raid. It just doesn’t work.
It's called the Air Raid. So why would you try to run it like it's 1992?
now there's a thought..........
you mean, kinda like, don’t fuck with a system till it needs fixin?
"There's gong to be ups and downs, but you have to enjoy the battle." - Mike Leach
We see the same thing in the screen game. Completely gone for some reason...
IMWTx
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by imisswesttexas on Sep 19, 2010 10:47 AM CDT reply actions
Not naming an OFFENSIVE MVP would have been...
honest not a copt out.
You said it yourself. Leong made ONE play. ONE.
Let that sink in…
Just because I'm an artist doesn't mean I don't know my sports. I'll take on ANYONE in Fantasy International Ping Pong!
I know, but not naming
anyone is so easy. And you’re right, it was one play. See the sad faces in the picture above, that’s me right now.
Go Raiders . . .
Double-T Nation
I think that's all of us.
Actually…I’m more mad, then a little sad, then I get mad again. It’s a cycle.
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by Damien Franco on Sep 19, 2010 10:55 AM CDT up reply actions
mad, sad, pissed off, frustrated, depressed....all of the above. just pick one or all.
IMWTx
Stop being a wussy. This is freaking FOOTBALL, not the debate club! YELL LOUD AND RAISE HELL.
by imisswesttexas on Sep 19, 2010 10:56 AM CDT up reply actions
Baron Batch
Had a great run AND stopped the TD from happening on a turnover. To me, he is the offensive MVP. Without him, Tech had zero chance. Of course, with Neil Brown, our chances got even worse than that, if possible.
TTpilk Psalm 117:
1 ¶ O praise the LORD, all ye nations: praise him, all ye people.
2 For his merciful kindness is great toward us: and the truth of the LORD endureth for ever. Praise ye the LORD.
offensive line issues are perpetuated by the scheme/line splits
the wide splits gave the qb and the rbs an advantage, the dlinemen have to work much harder over the course of the game (ie. more yards to rush), the qb has passing lanes, the rbs have space in which to run, hell, I’ll volenteer to be the o-coordinator for free—-it is that obvious. As posted earlier, this is not the SEC!
Beat me to it.
Was actually typing this up as you posted it. In total agreement.
Someone will have to remind me what the reasoning was behind narrowing the line splits (trying to force a power running game?). The scheme used by the previous staff was designed for the personnel, something the new staff didn’t see to grasp. Wide splits serve a few very useful purposes for this offense.
1) Increase the distance from the defensive line positions on the edge to the QB. This is ESPECIALLY important when you go against a team with good speed/edge rushers like UT. That gives the QB that one extra second to make an additional read.
2) Increases the size of the pocket. It follows that wider splits provide a wider pocket, as long as the tackles push the ends outside and up the field. In fact, with a QB that can move within the pocket, an tackle doesn’t have to stop an end, they can basically guide them in a large arc around and behind of the QB.
3) Provides better throwing lanes. Seems like the worst thing you can do in this offense is to collapse the lanes with tight splits. You would think this would make some inside passes harder to complete.
4) Provides wider running lanes. Whether for the RB or QB draw or even the QB scamper in case of pocket collapse.
Seemed like Tuberville was calling the offense. As soon as we tied the game, the play calling seemed to indicate that we were up by 7 with 5 minutes left in the 4th. Somebody needed to inform them that we weren’t ahead and there was more than a half left.
I almost recovered from the 1st-play gut punch when I saw our first play on defense. Blitz and good response by the secondary to the pass. Despite the mental errors, I really enjoyed watching the defensive effort.
by TracySaulRulz on Sep 19, 2010 11:22 AM CDT up reply actions
you have to wonder if the new staff is too proud to use what mike started
the line splits is a perfect example, is neil brown out to prove something at the expense of violating the “if it aint broke don’t fix it” rule, it wasn’t broke, but it is now, or at least it was last night
Its that (their ego) or....
they are not smart enough to coach it. I’m going
to say it has alot to do with both
"uh, uh, well, uh yeah, I think the guys, uh played, uh pretty well in the second
half." The captains words, after uh, the insight bowl. You're the best Mike!
which is why you don’t see any NFL teams using wide splits. Better athletes can exploit wide splits.
by jeffinhouston on Sep 19, 2010 11:40 AM CDT up reply actions
i just don't recall seeing that much pressure on the qb under the previous system
is our talent at o-line that bad
Let's give UT some credit too
Their defense this year is their best in a long time. And in the prior 2 games there was not exactly a lot of QB pressure occurring against Tech, except for a few right tackle breakdowns.
by jeffinhouston on Sep 19, 2010 11:50 AM CDT up reply actions
agree
As pissed as I was, I had to admit it was probably some nice vendication for Gideon to get that INT. Still pissed it happened though. I think their d is really, really good. But we sure as hell didn’t do anything offensively to make it hard on them. Not much blitzing in the 2nd half and they flat kicked our asses. Embarrassing.
Pretty simple, they made adjustments, we did not.
IMWTx
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by imisswesttexas on Sep 19, 2010 11:54 AM CDT up reply actions
Pretty sure Rice scored more on them than we did
So I cant give them all the credit for our performance.
UT's schedule to this point doesn't back that up
Rice and Wyoming are 2-4 combined with wins against such luminaries as Southern Utah and North Texas. They need to play someone that actually has a good offense before I start tagging them with “best in a long time”.
Also, can’t give Gideon too much credit when the INT was off a deflection. Second interception wasn’t from pressure, it was from a QB trying to force a pass into a receiver who had double-coverage over and another man under.
Plenty of props to their D-line, though. Problem is that they took advantage of a pattern that first reared its ugly head against SMU, and that is our O-line is lacking endurance. Every game this year, the O-line seems to wear down much earlier than the opposing D-line. Would think that might be the result of trying to run more but the pass/run ratio doesn’t support it. And it really doesn’t make sense considering how few plays we actually ran.
by TracySaulRulz on Sep 19, 2010 4:40 PM CDT up reply actions
Nebraska is using those splits also...
And their QB is taking advantage of it BIG TIME!!!! Saw the splits against Washington yesterday and the offense was spectacular.
Compare apples to apples please
Nebraska has a running QB. We don’t. And Nebraska has better athletes at offensive line than Tech does at the moment.
by jeffinhouston on Sep 19, 2010 4:59 PM CDT up reply actions
Just a question
as I last played o line in middle school…I’m not an expert. Are we not as good blocking with more narrow splits?
I am sure that requires different technique?
"It's fun to do bad things"- Latarian
by oldschoolraider on Sep 19, 2010 5:35 PM CDT up reply actions
After 3 games
Nebraska’s QB Taylor Martinez has these passing TOTALS. Not averages, totals.
28 of 43 for 392 yards, 1 TD and 1 INT
Doesn’t really relate well to Tech’s offense, does it?
by jeffinhouston on Sep 19, 2010 5:03 PM CDT up reply actions
Reminder
This isn’t the pros. Crazy that you would even try to draw that analogy. Reference: the national championship teams of Nebraska. Last I checked, they were successful and I’m pretty sure they don’t run the option in the pros.
A successful man once said, “do routine things routinely”. There is plenty of evidence from past seasons that wide splits did not equal sacks. What we did do is stick with something and do it routinely until it worked. And it worked because it suited our personnel.
The line splits were integral to the success of our passing game, just because it provided that extra bit of time. Monkey with that when you say you are keeping the same offensive system and you monkey with what made it work.
by TracySaulRulz on Sep 19, 2010 4:30 PM CDT up reply actions
Worked pretty well for us for 10 years...
How much better is the ut defense this year than it has ever been in 10 years?
How much better is it than ANY other defense that we have ever faced in 10 years?
by Houston Raider on Sep 19, 2010 7:54 PM CDT up reply actions
NASCAR Offense
My ass.
"I cannot guarantee the safety of anyone in the stadium that's not a Texas Tech fan"- Degenerate Hobo
by San Antonio Red Raider on Sep 19, 2010 11:14 PM CDT up reply actions
df
couldn’t agree more. The wide splits IS the key to the whole deal. It give the OL guys
better angles (sp) too frikin mad to spell. But you have to know how to coach that. Brown
is NO mike leach when it comes to coaching the details of the spread. Both off. tackles (olsen and waddle) need to go play for a junior college. Seth I sorta disagree with you about Potts. Granted, he only throws to his primary receiver. But you could have staubach in as qb and it wouldn’t have made any difference cause of the junior high blocking. And who was it that declared flubberville a “defensive genius”? Ut threw underneath the coverage all effin night. Bront Bird wondering around like he was lost in space . Atkins junior high could have racked up more yards than this.
"uh, uh, well, uh yeah, I think the guys, uh played, uh pretty well in the second
half." The captains words, after uh, the insight bowl. You're the best Mike!
Great analysis! thanks.
I hope our coaching staff sees things the same way as you do. Or else we are in trouble this season.
Im with ya Seth
I have backed the coaches, I have backed Potts himself, they hype he had actually gotten better, but I am done Sir! I cannot take it anymore, he screwed us last night, knowing his THROWING hand was hurt, but staying in to throw a long drive killing pick. He was ineffective and rarely threw a deep ball.. He needs to go now more than ever, here is where we will see if this coaching staff can make the tough calls and bench his a$$.
Defensively superb, couldn’t ask more of the guys, think I posted that video an hour or so ago, but it tore me up when I saw it how blatantly bad that call was… and most throughout the night, Potts was getting piled on and no penalties, Sticks got late hit after late hit and no calls… total BS.
Good write up.
I see him like a bad Bret Favre....
He is tough and all, but when you get injured on your throwing arm/hand your doing nobody any favors by staying in… ask the Jets a few years back.
by Vassago77379 on Sep 19, 2010 11:51 AM CDT up reply actions
In that last offensive series
He could barely stand up after throwing because it hurt so bad. And he threw it at receivers feet twice in a row. If its that bad, sit your ass down. I do blame him at that point.
and the a.d. and chancellor
"There's gong to be ups and downs, but you have to enjoy the battle." - Mike Leach
blackbeard,
I disagree, I think hance would be a great OL tackle especially when we play
OU.
"uh, uh, well, uh yeah, I think the guys, uh played, uh pretty well in the second
half." The captains words, after uh, the insight bowl. You're the best Mike!
Potts just doesn't have the intangibles, but i am sure the pro scouts will love him
being great in high scool and being great in college at d1 is just not the same, the Nm game and the bowl game show the real difference between the two qbs
Potts
I’m still not convinced it’s all on him given the o-line play. I’m not sure Sticks would do better last night. I disagree with Vassago. No one on the team is gonna pull themselves out of that game. No one.
However, at this point I can’t understand why you don’t give it a shot and start Sheffield. You never want regrets. We’ve seen how Potts has performed to this point. Now give Sticks a shot in meaningful game play and see how it works out.
I’m still pulling for Potts. But at this point, there is no way I can come on here and defend his play and decision making. I’m not done pulling for him to be successful, but I can’t defend him anymore either.
IMWTx
Stop being a wussy. This is freaking FOOTBALL, not the debate club! YELL LOUD AND RAISE HELL.
by imisswesttexas on Sep 19, 2010 11:51 AM CDT reply actions
As a player/leader of the team you have to be able to know if you are being a competitor or hurting your team, hurting your throwing hand to the point where its obvious to everyone it is hurt, then trying to force a pass in and getting it picked? Ya maybe I can’t blame Potts for at least trying, but how in the hell did the coaches give him the ok to go back in?
And you can’t say that no none would pull themselves out of the game for the betterment of the team, I have seen some true leaders do that, especially if they know that the person behind them can play well. I know it was a long time ago, but my Gfather was qb at TCU back in the day, and played in front of Sammy Baugh. (Keeping in mind this was the era that qbs were literally coaches on the field) Game was coming down to it, and he knew that he just wasn’t effective, he had gotten a bit banged up and did know he was hurting his team by being in there, pulled himself and gave Sammy Baugh his first pt. Granted Baugh threw a pick and lost the game, but point is he knew when he was injured to the point where he was hurting his team and did something about it.
by Vassago77379 on Sep 19, 2010 12:02 PM CDT up reply actions
i see your point
i just think as a competitor, you want to be back on the field to try to help your team be successful. i don’t judge him for staying in the game. it’s the coaches that need to assess his condition and then keep him in or pull him. responsibility falls on them IMO
IMWTx
Stop being a wussy. This is freaking FOOTBALL, not the debate club! YELL LOUD AND RAISE HELL.
by imisswesttexas on Sep 19, 2010 12:06 PM CDT up reply actions
absolutely, in this situation they had already taken Putts out of the game, there was no reason to go back at that point.
by Vassago77379 on Sep 19, 2010 12:08 PM CDT up reply actions
i think potts is scared:
he’s scared of getting hit
he’s scared of reinjuring his hand
he’s scared knowing that he should be the back up to sticks…
that last point says it all about why he wouldn’t come out of the game. there’s a track record of sticks coming in and closing.
i tried to support potts, too, but it just ain’t gonna work. i’m not finished with tubbs…yet…it’s ONE loss. a big loss, to be sure, but just one. if he doesn’t show the willingness to adapt to a winning strategy, then i’ll re-evaluate my support.
Fair weather fans, Potts the pussy, the Tubberville surrender
The Tech fans completely abadonded the football team in the second half. It Tech ever wants to grow beyond bush league, it will begin with the fans. Class and taste are abig part of it, too.
Taylor pots is a baby. He pouts when things don’t go his way and exaggerates injuries when playing bad. Somebody make him go away. He is not a winner.
Giving up is not an alternative in my book. Punting as we did with 3 minutes to go was total surrender…completely unacceptable.
I wanted and expected more. Hope the football program hasn’t been “Meyersed” like the mens and womens basketball programs. I demand more than mediocrity.
I'm usually okay with
an s-bomb and an f-bomb, but I’d appreciate the non-use of the p-bomb.
Go Raiders . . .
Double-T Nation
thats my favorite bomb!
"uh, uh, well, uh yeah, I think the guys, uh played, uh pretty well in the second
half." The captains words, after uh, the insight bowl. You're the best Mike!
Disagree, sort of...
I think the fans felt like we’d been sold snake oil last night. I don’t blame them for not hanging in through the 4th qtr. This is the same group of fans that sold out the stadium and had students camping out up to 5 days before the game. This falls completely on the coaches. Period end of story.
If you pay them money it takes to get to the game with a lot traveling in town for it, you have the right to respond accordingly to that crappy play. But, for the record, I’ve never left a Tech game until the final whistle, ever.
IMWTx
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by imisswesttexas on Sep 19, 2010 12:00 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
meant "if you pay the money". sorry
IMWTx
Stop being a wussy. This is freaking FOOTBALL, not the debate club! YELL LOUD AND RAISE HELL.
by imisswesttexas on Sep 19, 2010 12:03 PM CDT up reply actions
rec'd
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by Damien Franco on Sep 19, 2010 12:31 PM CDT up reply actions
I don’t think the fans gave up in the second half. They were plenty loud, especially at key points. I spent most of the second half on my feet. People did start leaving after UT went up 24-14, however I can hardly blame them based on what they were seeing on the field. It’s hard to be excited when your offense looks like Lubbock High got lost.
Punting with 3 minutes to go is total bull. I hope he gets enough mail over that to never, ever do that again. There are some people who will admit when they’re beat and surrender, but I don’t want them calling plays for our football team.
dont lecture me
About class or how to be a fan. Show me something I can be a fan of. The band was pretty good however
"There's gong to be ups and downs, but you have to enjoy the battle." - Mike Leach
by blackbeard on Sep 19, 2010 12:53 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
you are correct. my bad
"There's gong to be ups and downs, but you have to enjoy the battle." - Mike Leach
Actually
MVP to 2 tailgaters….one in tiny red shorts and the other in black. You made three 14 year old boys very happy
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by oldschoolraider on Sep 19, 2010 3:05 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
and one 55 year old.
"There's gong to be ups and downs, but you have to enjoy the battle." - Mike Leach
Goes without saying
"It's fun to do bad things"- Latarian
by oldschoolraider on Sep 19, 2010 4:26 PM CDT up reply actions
thought I would say it anyway.........just sayin
with all due respect.
"There's gong to be ups and downs, but you have to enjoy the battle." - Mike Leach
ok... no fair weather fans
Fans stayed until TT punted it with three minutes left! maybe some left at the 9 minute mark, but almost everyone stayed until our coach forfeited with 3 minutes.
90% of the crowd YELLED AND SCREAMED AND STOOD essentially the entire game!
Great effort by crowd and defense!
meant "if you pay the money". sorry for the typo
IMWTx
Stop being a wussy. This is freaking FOOTBALL, not the debate club! YELL LOUD AND RAISE HELL.
by imisswesttexas on Sep 19, 2010 12:01 PM CDT reply actions
One more thing. We don’t call people names on this website. Users, players, etc. I typically put up with name calling of the admin and of Nancy James, but that’s about it.
Go Raiders . . .
Double-T Nation
How about Trishia Potts? Though I don’t think that Taylor has done enough to enjoy such vilification as Nacy James
Nah
if we instituted that rule, then every player going through a rough stretch could be in trouble.
Go Raiders . . .
Double-T Nation
+1
Comeback Nick.
Now and then we had a hope that if we lived and were good, God would permit us to be pirates. – Life on the Mississippi
by LBKpiratefan on Sep 19, 2010 3:10 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Our O-Line needs to do some soul searching.
If we can’t at least make a half ass attempt at containing a speed rush, we’re in a world of hurt. They almost seemed intimidated, until we where throwing punches on the sideline. Matt Moore has his work cut out for him. What’s it gonna take for these guys to open up a running lane and protect the QB? Missing Bennie Wylie right now. Bad. This game is out of the way. We have 2 weeks to get our shit together.
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by KWashburn on Sep 19, 2010 12:14 PM CDT via mobile reply actions
It's about time you showed up.
Don’t try to feed us some crap line about “church” either.
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by Damien Franco on Sep 19, 2010 12:32 PM CDT up reply actions
No Joke!
WTF, we could have found guys in the stands (and probably a females) who could
have done a better job than our tackles. I want to know who it was that recuited waddle
and olsen. What da hell were you smokin????? Look at the film!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
"uh, uh, well, uh yeah, I think the guys, uh played, uh pretty well in the second
half." The captains words, after uh, the insight bowl. You're the best Mike!
you're getting at the very heart of the problem
Why not open the splits back up. Thats what the ol guys have been
trained to do all along. Batch runs well in space. last year is a good
example of that.
"uh, uh, well, uh yeah, I think the guys, uh played, uh pretty well in the second
half." The captains words, after uh, the insight bowl. You're the best Mike!
Never thought the defense would be more exciting then the offense...
Game was tough to watch…..whereever Leach ends up…I’m a fan….Tech fan first of course.
Some hate has to be thrown Matt Moored way here
The O-Line was a liability last year and now again this year. He needs to get this figured out ANC get his unit ready to play. He has had more time than anyone on the staff to improve performance and thus should gave the most scrutiny.
"Dress good, yu'll play good. Play good, yu'll get paid good." -Deion Sanders
by TTUMAR on Sep 19, 2010 12:39 PM CDT via mobile reply actions
Damn IPhone, sorry about the misspellings
"Dress good, yu'll play good. Play good, yu'll get paid good." -Deion Sanders
by TTUMAR on Sep 19, 2010 12:40 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Wrong
Moore has been doing it right for all these years and all the sudden he just doesn’t know
what he’s doing? That makes zero sense. He is having to do it flubbervilles way. Hell TT
I don’t know, I’m just pissed!!!!!!!!!!!!1
"uh, uh, well, uh yeah, I think the guys, uh played, uh pretty well in the second
half." The captains words, after uh, the insight bowl. You're the best Mike!
I remember tuberville saying in an interview
how hes had success against top 10 teams, he says he doesnt do a lot of coaching bc the players know whats at stake. Well Tuberville, that doesnt work here!!!
Well that certainly sheds light
because it certainly looked like he didn’t do a lot of coaching last night!
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by Damien Franco on Sep 19, 2010 12:46 PM CDT up reply actions
hahahahahahahahahahha!
"uh, uh, well, uh yeah, I think the guys, uh played, uh pretty well in the second
half." The captains words, after uh, the insight bowl. You're the best Mike!
Silver lining.....
We just picked up huge DL commitment…….kid has offers from teams like Alabama! Looks like he saw Scott Smith as well.
"Dress good, yu'll play good. Play good, yu'll get paid good." -Deion Sanders
Nope, Klein Oak D-Line
"Dress good, yu'll play good. Play good, yu'll get paid good." -Deion Sanders
How many recruits were at the game?
Does the athletic program reveal the names of recruits that may have been attending last nights game?
"I thought happiness was Lubbock, Texas in my rearview mirror" Mac Davis
Potts
Made my 6am flight despite being up late on the gameday thread and drinking 2x my allotted amount of beer to try to enduce a comeback. Tough to watch that offense last night. I have said enough about them already.
But, on to Potts. Although I didn’t really care who started, I was a Potts supporter and have been. Maybe its because I saw him play in high school a couple of times, but I thought he had the talent…and he might…but he certainly doesn’t seem to have the mental aspect or leadership ability. He seems like a real solid kid, but I think it is now time to hand the reigns over to Sheffield or we are a 6-6 team for sure. Let’s see what he can do.
And, let’s not forget (and I think it was mentioned above) that UT does have an impressive defense. They played fast all night and had our guys completely covered. I think they are for real. I think UT is going to struggle on offense all year. Can’t catch a cold and they have no real playmaker. We’ll see how they do.
Wish we could play this weekend and get back on the field, but maybe we can work on play calling and o-line play in the meantime.
Our worst fears have been confirmed!
What we all knew, but refused to believe is now staring us straight in the face. The upgraded coaching staff is not an upgrade at all! Texas tech had come a long way in the last 10 years and was on a fast track to the top, now we are on a slow train to nowhere. Leach and his staff did more with less and now we can look forward to doing less with more. Kent Hance, Gerald Myers, and Guy Bailey are happy now because they have a guy that will play ball with them and force a pass to Nancy James to make his daddy happy. Somebody tell me I am wrong, but in our hearts we know that I am right. I won’t quit hoping we win and maybe in another generation we will get another chance.
"The walls that won't come down, we can decorate or climb"
Sorry, but your revising history.
I’ve seen a lot said here since December, but I have not seen a single comment from a regular poster stating this staff was destined to be an upgrade over the last. Many have said there may not be a stepping back but rather a continuation, buts that hardly the same thing. We are three games in, with the same record we had three games into 2009. We have an improved defense, and have raking a step back offensively. Net net, we know nothing yet in terms of better or wise than before.
"Dress good, yu'll play good. Play good, yu'll get paid good." -Deion Sanders
by TTUMAR on Sep 19, 2010 1:49 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Worse not wise
"Dress good, yu'll play good. Play good, yu'll get paid good." -Deion Sanders
by TTUMAR on Sep 19, 2010 1:50 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
couldn't agree more, except on the defensive side of the ball
I think tubs and willis have improved the defense in a short amount of time (minus the big penalties), but conversely, it appears as though the offense is now second fiddle and we have two young coaches who are in over their heads. I think what is so depressing is that we all now realize that the offense will never be like it was under leach and we are all afraid that it might not get any better than what we have seen through 3 games. I was not happy with the offense against smu, and it sounds like special teams was a big part of the win at new mexico, meaning that after all of training camp plus three weeks of practice, our offense is inept, not beacause of talent , but because of coaching, or lack thereof
If by improved the defense, you mean made it more exciting to watch, I will agree.
however, if you mean increasing the odds that we actually stop the other team from moving the football down the field and eating more clock that KWash does wings, then I have to disagree. I saw no tangible signs of our d improving at actually stopping the teasips.
"There's gong to be ups and downs, but you have to enjoy the battle." - Mike Leach
Of course it could have been that I was looking thru tears from having watched our offense.
"There's gong to be ups and downs, but you have to enjoy the battle." - Mike Leach
Sad thing is...
Towards the end, I was standing to watch the defense and sitting to watch the offense (or to hang my head in shame). Something is terribly wrong with the world.
How did you know I had wings last night?
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Players on offense basically the same from 2009 to 2010. Performance is declining. That means coaching is the difference. With this play calling Potts can’t string two successful drives together. Coaches need to find ways to make Potts successful or replace him. Fans are the ones losing out while coaches play games with their playbooks.
by Distant Raider on Sep 20, 2010 3:54 AM CDT up reply actions
In response To Seth's Question #2: Five Questions Offensive Line Pondering
Five Questions Offensive Line Pondering (Yes Seth we read these…)
http://www.doubletnation.com/2010/5/20/1474278/five-questions-offensive-line
No matter how good your line is, your QB needs to make good reads and get rid of the ball quickly. I don’t see this from Potts. I have read that Potts is great in practice, but in games he struggles for some reason – too much thinking, not enough thinking…something. You have to understand where you are on the field and get rid of the ball, can’t take sacks or ground the ball, force it into players that are covered – must play smart when playing a good defensive unit. The offense is (or at least was) made to get the ball out quickly and Potts seems to be always looking for the perfect throw. I hate to say it but Potts needs to sit, he is not making good game decisions. I can handle an incomplete pass or a ball that’s thrown away, but it hard to handle negative yards from sacks and penalties.
Sigh- I hate Texas, the only bright spot was that Texas played a pretty ugly game themselves. Scott Smith had a hell of a game – nice job stepping up Scott.
BTW, My answer "NO"
NO, an offensive lines job is to block and it really did look like they had that down against UT or just couldn’t physically keep UT out. Leach had this down, get big strong guys, make them bigger and put them in front of the QB. It is a lot harder to move a big heavy guy to get to a quarterback in a timely fashion. Speed rushers are a problem, but again when your big it’s a lot more territory to get around. The more you have to push around the big guys, the more tired you get. UT has a good D unit, but I think we made them look better than they are.
by Guns Up Finn on Sep 19, 2010 1:22 PM CDT up reply actions
My take
-Our O-Line was pathetic as stated and the one series when Sticks was in he did a Quarterback draw first play and got a nice gain. This should have slowed the ut defense down but they preceded to sack him twice and his mobility did him no good. Graham Harrell and Kliff Kingsbury would have had trouble last night, may have done better, but they would have been punished as well. I believe the domination by the 4 ut defensive linemen allowed there linebackers to stuff any draw or run we attempted.-Don’t want to dwell but the refs gave more calls to ut than Tech.
—We don’t just have a Crabtree, but a Filani, or Hicks (at his best), or anyone that can draw enough attention in the secondary so that the others can get open. Leong does very well but does not have the size to be physcial to do it. Detron Lewis is just not making the big plays we thought he would. If you want to blame Potts go ahead, but Lewis is “not” going after the ball like it belongs to him and has dropped some open balls. Torres is hurting and I love him but he is not the dominate one. The receiver problem could be the routes assigned to the receivers as well.
—It is very possible the coaching staff is not designing the plays on what the players can do. I have to believe that whether Potts or Sticks is QB, we should have more than one offensive score against ut. We did it last year there, and therefore I don’t think our players and our coaches are on the same page. This problem a lay on Tuberville and Brown.
—Defense played lights out. Scott Smith is a beast. Coaches and players are on the same page and were let down by defense. Ford should not have taunted, but I saw Kirkendoll get away with it earlier in the drive.
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The Rebellion lost a great battle to the Evil Empire last night. We must no soldier on for another year under the Oppression of the Fruits and Nuts.
ut is "The Evil Empire"
Don't know why the lines showed up
ut is "The Evil Empire"
Seth you may not have to worry about Potts.
If our offensive line play doesn’t get any better, Potts may spend most of the season in the hospital in traction!
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I cannot figure this one out...I don't even have good hints.
My mantra since last season has been abou the OL…without regard to the coaching situation…it is worriesome/scary/critical. I am not impressed with what Moore has put on the field from his arrival. I am wondering how much impact he has on what is to be coached at the same time. We went from wide splits to kind of wide splits. We went from a deep OL with opportunity to develop players to let’s start the Red Shirt Freshmen and Sophmores!!!
And so we blame it on a quarter back when the offense does not do well, either at pass or rush…oh, we don’t have receivers either…they cannot get offf the line of scrimmage and cannot get separation…who could get a pass off to one of them.
There is a lot of fun to been seen in a develping, a rapidly developing defense.
I wonder what transpired between Coach Willis and one certain db who played with a bit too much passion. I think part of it is that db’s accountability…part of it is the coaching staff, and another part to the way that college football games are referee’d. The game was very physical—it is supposed to be—but late hits, late activity (which is a lot of different behavours intended to create intimidation) led to the onus put on a referee staff to use judgement on when to pull a flag. Gideon-like behaviour, and similar on our side cost a team’s field position.
That is about all I have at this point, I am going to watch the game again…this time alone so I can see it with more focus…watched it last night with a neighbor-longhorn-fan who invited me over because he did not want to drink alone…I did not drink a drop with him…kept mouthing off about longhorn crap…
women should put pictures of missing husbands on beer cans
sorry but your comment about liking techies sounds a bit condescending
hopefully i am wrong, but if not, there is another blog for longhorn fans, you should check it out
Tubbs run first O? I don't think so.
“Second half, they didn’t do much blitzing; they just defended, and we weren’t able to get the running game going against a four-man front,” Tuberville said. “And when you can’t do that, you can’t throw it down the field against seven guys with speed like they have.”/blockquote>
I don’t take that as meaning you run to set up the pass. What he’s saying, I think, is that if they are going to play 7 on your 5 receivers and rush 4, you make them pay by beating their 4 with your 5 OLineman, either with an effective running play now and again or keeping their 4 off your QB and making them bring the blitz. And if you can’t run the ball against 4, and they know it, they can neutralize your pass attack with 7 in coverage. Their 4 man rush beat our line all night and their cover guys were in our receivers hip pockets all night. You have to have a threat of a running game in order to give the passing game a chance to work, unless your Oline can give you enough time for guys to get open. They didn’t.
I don’t think Tubbs is trying to be run first. Check the stats in the first 3 games. But if you can’t block, your O is very limited.
Yeah...Tubs never expressly said it's necessary to establish the run before passing...
I read his post game comments again. However, I don’t think we did a good job of disguising the run either. I also don’t believe a true disciple of the spread offense would ever say “we’re going to run more”. Only defensive alignment can dictate rushing effort. The announcement itself suggests an agenda that ignores the basic tenets of anything resembling Air Raid. Narrow line splits, two back sets, seems to me they’re hybridizing the offense to which we’re accustomed into something that ignores and defeats the principles of spread philosophy.
At this point I don’t have a clue what our coaches are thinking.
WARNING TO ALL DTN READERS: THE PREVIOUS TWO POSTS ARE BULLSHIT
I heard Katfish last night on 104 post game saying that the “run sets up the pass”… you can’t take the okie out of the trailer park and you can’t take a catfish out of the sec.
"There's gong to be ups and downs, but you have to enjoy the battle." - Mike Leach
you are most welcome.....
tweak my ass, I got your tweak right here
"There's gong to be ups and downs, but you have to enjoy the battle." - Mike Leach
Bam
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by oldschoolraider on Sep 19, 2010 4:28 PM CDT up reply actions
With all due RESPECT...
130 passes to 85 rushes does not equal ‘run first O’. If you believe that it does, perhaps your posts are BS.
Box scores are not the whole story
Please provide box scores of teams that are “run-first” that still don’t have more pass attempts than run attempts. According to your analysis, Navy and Air Force are the only teams that can be considered “run-first”, but we know that’s not true. Run-first doesn’t mean you have to have more run attempts than pass attempts or even the same amount, it’s the way those runs are used within the game plan.
by TracySaulRulz on Sep 19, 2010 4:53 PM CDT up reply actions
Please enlighten me...
as to what should constitute a ‘run first offense’ so that I can keep from posting such BS.
Then let me be as specific as possible...
In the post game interview as reported on the official Texas Tech Athletics site, he didn’t "expressly"say that it’s necessary to establish a running game to successfully pass, and that’s what I said above. He didn’t proclaim a run first philosophy.
He did say: “Second half they didn’t do much blitzing, they just defended, and we weren’t able to get the running game going against a four-man front. And when you can’t do that, you can’t throw it down the field against seven guys with speed like they have.”
There’s a difference.
as reported on the official Texas Tech Athletics site,
there is your problem……….drinking the koolaide
"There's gong to be ups and downs, but you have to enjoy the battle." - Mike Leach
You should spend more time becoming aquainted with whom you're speaking..
I’m well versed in critical though…I’m no one’s bitch. And I’m damn sure not apologizing for Tuberville.
well glad to meet you I am blackbeard and have perfect hearing.....
AND LAST NIGHT I SPECIFICALLY HEARD KATFISH TELL ME HE THOUGHT WE NEEDED TO ESTABLISH THE RUN TO SET UP THE PASS.
"There's gong to be ups and downs, but you have to enjoy the battle." - Mike Leach
Did you even read what I wrote?
You heard what you heard….I read what I read. I never suggested you didn’t hear him say that. So don’t fucking tell me what I know I fucking read. I gave you the source…..go read it yourself.
to my point, you read it from the "official" site......
just saying, that being “official” does not give them an automatic in accuracy of quotes………or facts for that matter.
"There's gong to be ups and downs, but you have to enjoy the battle." - Mike Leach
I’m not clear, are you questioning the accuracy of the post-game quotes?
You can watch the press conference:
http://www.texastech.com/allaccess/?media=195900
I haven’t gone word for word, but it doesn’t sound like it deviates any.
Go Raiders . . .
Double-T Nation
And I think the service that they use is what the reporters use to put together their quotes for the paper, Fastscripts or something like that.
Go Raiders . . .
Double-T Nation
What I'm seeing, and I heard is we have a two faced coach.
I myself have read the post game talk, and heard on the radio what blackbeard is referring to. They’re both right, he said both things.
How about this.
Since we don’t have a game this week, what if I take a look at every first down play thus far and then take the first 3 games from last year (this might take a few days, but if I had some help from a few loyal DTN readers that each took one game, I could put this together relatively quickly)? Just for comparison purposes and to see if there’s really a difference, b/c honestly, I have no idea.
Go Raiders . . .
Double-T Nation
exactly what i heard!
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by SPACECITYTECHSAN on Sep 19, 2010 9:16 PM CDT up reply actions
and speaking of critical thought........
the splain to me the fewest number of yards produced since dykes was a coach. a leach team never never never ever ever ever had that few yards in a game
"There's gong to be ups and downs, but you have to enjoy the battle." - Mike Leach
Once again...you're barking up the wrong tree...
If you were the least bit aware of these surroundings you’d know I’m no Tuberville apologist.
good to know we have that in common.
"There's gong to be ups and downs, but you have to enjoy the battle." - Mike Leach
My eyes see a coach
either believes in running to set up passing or one that doesn’t trust his qb. Either way, the Texas tech football brand has taken a dive in a short timeframe. There is time to greatly improve, but I have seen nothing from tubs and nb that make me think they are the answer.
"It's fun to do bad things"- Latarian
by oldschoolraider on Sep 19, 2010 5:13 PM CDT up reply actions
I just don't think he fully buys into the spread offense...
Like mentioned by a previous commenter, it’s as if he wants to put his own brand on a offensive strategy, and in the process nullifies the advantages associated with the strategy.
I buy that
but it pisses me off that he isn’t honest about that. But he is the man who one day said he was staying at ole miss…and left for auburn the next day.
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by oldschoolraider on Sep 19, 2010 5:29 PM CDT up reply actions
Right....I think he told the Ole Miss faithful..
“They’ll have to carry me out of here in a pine box”. Smarmy stuff.
Beyond that lesson, I think he’s contradicted himself here enough to know he’ll say whatever he thinks best suits his agenda. Truth be damned.
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by TracySaulRulz on Sep 19, 2010 6:43 PM CDT up reply actions
exactly! He doesnt believe in the air raid!
he is defense first, run first at heart!
"Once in a while a pirate can beat a soldier."
-The Capt. (on the Cover of) Texas Monthly- Sept. 09
by SPACECITYTECHSAN on Sep 19, 2010 9:18 PM CDT up reply actions
The problem with a defense and run first system is that it requires better talent. Everybody knows that UT and OU automatically get that talent. The offensive line was living proof of this statement. If the coach can not adjust to this level of talent then fans have to wait until he can recruit his type of player. Championships will not come early with this approach.
by Distant Raider on Sep 20, 2010 4:18 AM CDT up reply actions
Yea you can tell he is thinking the exact same way he always did
goes to show that he never believed in the air raid offense, despite our past success with it. Hiring Neal brown was just a way to appease fans and “assure” them of an air raid. He is a just a pawn for the tubs run first offense
"Once in a while a pirate can beat a soldier."
-The Capt. (on the Cover of) Texas Monthly- Sept. 09
by SPACECITYTECHSAN on Sep 19, 2010 9:15 PM CDT up reply actions
I had a UT fan at work ask me why i wouldn't side with her
when the TCU fans started trash talking about them being ranked above the TU. I replied that I think most fans of any other school in Texas has been talked down to and belittled by all of the UT fans for so many years, that people don’t forget. I think the saying goes, you make your bed…
Yes I am a Leach fan
and always will be, I suffered through losing seasons at tech as a student, and saw Leach do more with less than any college football coach in my time. I played college football with the likes of bill callahan and brad childress, great coaches like Leach are hard to find.
No. NAU. I went to grad school at Tech, and met my wife there while she was in undergrad
That was the first time in a long while that I could be a college football fan and not a player. I remember sitting in the Jones in cold weather watching us get thumped by Houston. The offense is staring to remind of those Spike Dykes days.
Neal Brown
Stole money last night. Piss poor playcalling and keeping with Potts. 3 games into this guy as a raider and he turned a Ferrari into a Kia.
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by oldschoolraider on Sep 19, 2010 3:12 PM CDT via mobile reply actions
Hey watch out!
I drive a Korean car. And it IS a dumpster fire of a car. Dammit!!
¡Viva los Matadores!
Run vs. Throw
I dont care as long as it works. Unfortunatly neither worked last night. I do agree, given our talent base and history, we would be better served to use the pass to set up the run. Continue to use the screen and shuffle pass as an alternative to “downhill running”. If the coaches want to be a running team, then do over time. Don’t fix it if it aint broke and dont try to turn a Ferrari into a Hummer. The only reason people watch NASCAR if for the wrecks.
BTW- I think the Putts vs Sticks is obvious. Putts is the “next in line” under Leach. His job was to “yes sir, no sir” and do as he was told in practice (while wearing the blue jersy). Leach (probably most coaches) wanted consistancy, without too much creativity. He fit perfectly.
Sticks was the walk-on Scout team player. He was supposed to use a little creativity. I think both coaches saw Sticks as too much of a liability. Too much of a wild card. They were afraid he would be too rebellious. So if I pick Sticks then opposing DC have to account for my QB’s ability to pull it down and run. They do this by putting a shadow on him, which causes problems for my running game.
All in all I think it boils down to a personality issue between The coaches and Sticks. The coaches are a little too insecure to play Sticks even though have a QB thats not scared to scramble would have helped a litte last night. Being a good boy and taking the hits is a recipie for disaster. Gonna be a long season.
...and yet...
I think both coaches saw Sticks as too much of a liability. Too much of a wild card. They were afraid he would be too rebellious. So if I pick Sticks then opposing DC have to account for my QB’s ability to pull it down and run. They do this by putting a shadow on him, which causes problems for my running game.
…that’s one of the things the TT and Brown told us they wanted…somebody that could pull it down and take off, when necessary (hello, sticks, scrambling for a nice gain in his all to brief series)…somebody that was mobile…somebody with that extra intangible “it”. the solution was potts?
hell, what we’ve got in the game (at least, for now) is a qb with cement boots on that doesn’t inspire his teammates to play their best football. if he’s pressured he either a.) throws it away (too frequently to an opposing jersey), b.) gets deer in the headlights syndrome before taking a major loss, or c.) ultimately resorts to the ever-recurring injury as a crutch.
i’ll give him some slack if i hear that there was bone or nerve damage…but all i’ve read is that he tore the webbing that required surgery/stitches. am i missing something here?
No More Potts!
I just don’t get it.. I too have tried to be supportive. But I have always known he doesn’t have it and “it” is something you can’t teach. But thats not my biggest problem with the current situation. Tubbs and Brown are Bending over backwards to make sure everyone knows they aren’t Leach. This includes the lack of screens, loss of the quick slant and the insistence on forfeiting downs by trying to run with this line in their narrower splits. Our backs don’t have a chance to be successful.
I say lets move on. I’d love to see Sheffield but its obvious Tubbs and Brown are scared of success with him. (i was amazed that Potts kept coming back out for every series). So lets move on to Karam or Doege or Scotty Young for that matter. Something has to change. Can we get Lincoln Riley back????
by RaiderGiant on Sep 19, 2010 3:18 PM CDT via mobile reply actions
+10000000000
Where was Brown’s creativity in calling quick slants, screens, mixing the running backs, stretching the field, utilizing other quarter back talents? Nowhere! Coaches had a firm plan. There was no backup plan. They refused to adjust. They gave up before time had expired. It is that simple!
by Distant Raider on Sep 20, 2010 4:31 AM CDT up reply actions
I changed my mind....
I wasn’t concerned about booing during oppositions song and last nite changed my mind. Also, why the hell are we standing all game….I’m not an aggie Damnt.
"It's fun to do bad things"- Latarian
by oldschoolraider on Sep 19, 2010 3:32 PM CDT reply actions
Nebraska will beat ut by 2 scores...
That wasn’t the 6th best team in the country.
"It's fun to do bad things"- Latarian
by oldschoolraider on Sep 19, 2010 3:34 PM CDT reply actions
On another note...
Welker just got his head knocked off. Had to go out.
I'm so anxious to see NB's play-calling next week vs ISU.
He’d better open it up, or pack his f-ing bags.
¡Viva los Matadores!
At least he'll have two weeks to figure it out....
Next week is an off-week. Of course, he had all off-season to destroy the confidence and mechanics of what was the most productive offense in all of college football. I highly doubt he can reverse its course in 2 weeks.
Just imagine how much JFKJ can fuck up this team given two weeks.
we will elimnate that new fangled “pass thing” and get down to business “runnin” the “baww”
Godd news, no more ints……………bad news, if anyone is interested you can watch me as I paint and you can help me watch it dry.
"There's gong to be ups and downs, but you have to enjoy the battle." - Mike Leach
I cant blame potts too much. Yes he made some bad decisions but the receivers were never open and he had no time to throw. I think UT’s D-backs are that good. But still blame our line more than i blame Potts. Even sheffield got the crap sacks out of him. If our line was any good we should be able to at least get 3 yards a carry on simple run plays. Its sad that we couldn’t even get 1 yrd on the ground.
I am getting the sense, after reading Tuberville’s post game comments again, that he pretty mich thinks he’s the smartest guy in any room. I know this is a small sample size, but after three games I am not confident in his ability to let Brown turn things loose. I know our passing plays far outnumbered the running plays, but something tells me this will only last a few more games. He did imply that the running game opens up the passing game. That needs to be flipped.
by Tech92 on Sep 19, 2010 4:25 PM CDT via mobile reply actions
that he pretty much thinks he’s the smartest guy in any room
Katfish is a pretty big deal
"There's gong to be ups and downs, but you have to enjoy the battle." - Mike Leach
Gasp
coaches with an ego?
"It's fun to do bad things"- Latarian
by oldschoolraider on Sep 19, 2010 4:43 PM CDT up reply actions
Funny story.....
Worked for acompany whose top salesman brought in probably ten times more business than the second best salesman………however, he also had th largest expenses. This pissed the sales manager off big time. Sales manager constantly had to remind saleman that he needed to keep things in line but to no avail.
Finally, the sales manager had had it. He went to the president to pleed his plight. The pres suggest that they call in said top salesman and talk to him.
Short version, the salesman came in, stiutation was explained and the salesman went into a blind ass rage……saying to the sales manager, “why don’t you go fuck yourself” to which the president said, “hey now you need to calm down” to which the salesman responded " why don’t you go shit in your hat!" and stormed out.
The salesmanager turned to the pres and asked " well what do we do now?" to which the pres replied, " I don’t know about you, but I HAVE a hat."
"There's gong to be ups and downs, but you have to enjoy the battle." - Mike Leach
Welcome to the Darkside, bwah ha ha
Seriously though, that was what I was saying before the season. I don’t care if it’s Doege, Karam or Sheffield. I just know who it is not.
It's called the Air Raid. So why would you try to run it like it's 1992?
probably should just go kick potts to the curb, he is getting married anyway.......sure won't be worth a damn now.
"There's gong to be ups and downs, but you have to enjoy the battle." - Mike Leach
There is no shortage of quality at tech.....
enjoy. Just like George costanza told the balding guy….you have 6 months. Live
Good times
"It's fun to do bad things"- Latarian
by oldschoolraider on Sep 19, 2010 5:16 PM CDT up reply actions
That explains why McCoy got cut from the Browns
Having sex regularly & leading a team as QB are incompatible. Just ask Tom Brady.
It's called the Air Raid. So why would you try to run it like it's 1992?
Need a better analogy
McCoy didn’t get cut by the Browns. He was their backup QB today.
by jeffinhouston on Sep 19, 2010 6:17 PM CDT up reply actions
Somebody said at the tailgate yesterday that he was cut
Never believe what you hear. And believe only half of what you read.
It's called the Air Raid. So why would you try to run it like it's 1992?
+1 I second that
Anybody but Potts. Potts has done enough to prove that he does not belong.
If this helps at all
My step-son, a UT grad, is about as unhappy with his favorite team as are we DTNers. Of course, hi frustration is a bit tempered by a win.
TTpilk Psalm 117:
1 ¶ O praise the LORD, all ye nations: praise him, all ye people.
2 For his merciful kindness is great toward us: and the truth of the LORD endureth for ever. Praise ye the LORD.
Both UT and Texas Tech have the exact same four questions for themselves after that game
1. Is our offense that bad?
2. Is their defense that good?
3. Is their offense that bad?
4. Is our defense that good?
It's called the Air Raid. So why would you try to run it like it's 1992?
If we had Graham Harrell at QB last night.....
We still would have lost the game. The 2010 Texas defense is elite and has at least a dozen NFL players that saw time last night. Our offensive line sucked and Pott’s sucked, but Graham Harrell would have lost too.
I’m not a Pott’s apologist as I would rather see Sticks out there, but it didn’t really matter who we lined up at QB short of Peyton Manning, we weren’t going to do anything against that defense.
We would have lost with Harrell IF.....
We had the current coaches and offensive scheme. If we had Harrell and a legitimate spread instead of whatever this is that we are running, we would have won easily, IMHO.
"The trouble with referees is that they know the rules, but they do not know the game." --Bill Shankly
This is not a smart statement
G. Harrell would have won that game. You don’t realize how close this thing was. Harrel is infinitely better than Potts and bad QB was a big part of our offensive problems. Play calling was bad. Their D is good but we could have scored more than 7 points with Graham.
or sticks for more than one series for that matter.
Their D is good but we could have scored more than 7 points with Graham.
Not with that OL!
People talk about the splits that our OL has as compared to the last 2 years. In 08 we were
in most cases using 3-4 yrd splits. In 09 we were using 1-2 yard splits. Now we are using 1 foot splits. The worst the line gets the less the splits. Why one might ask. It takes a great athelete to to manage that much space. Reed, vasquez, hamby, carter and winn were magicians! Those 5 guys would
block 6 or 7 rushers on a routine basis. Not to mention being well coached. But you also had a brilliant QB who could read a defense in a split second. like a penthouse magazine.
At least we were able to witness the finest football at TT. Where we are heading now is going to make whale shit look like asteroids.
"uh, uh, well, uh yeah, I think the guys, uh played, uh pretty well in the second
half." The captains words, after uh, the insight bowl. You're the best Mike!
Negatory....
‘08 team and coaches would have completely burned the house down last night. It wouldn’t have been close.
Texas does not have an elite defense. They have a good defense that is better than SMU, but not close to a Nebraska (who we also beat handily last year.. in Lincoln .. go figure). We have coaches on offense who don’t know how to make adjustments, players on offense who can’t make plays in the new offense, an offensive line that’s just an absolute trainwreck, and a quarterback who would rather stick it out than give the team a better chance at winning.
No, it wasn’t the Longhorns, you watched the training wheels come off the Neal Browns offense and it immediately toppled over. The sky is falling people, black is white, up is down, cats are dogs, and offense is defense.
We had a cat that could fetch growing up, so it's not all that bad.
" Answers --Become Resources."
Without Questions, There are limited Resources...
game
The defense played a great game last night with the exception of the personal fouls that kept the UT drive going. As far as the offense it was really embarrassing to watch their performance. I don’t know what the deal is with Potts and the OL but something has to change. The play calling left a lot to be desired. First of all the OL has to block. If the guys we have can’t then we have to find some one who can or use a different formation to help protect the QB. Second let the run feed off the pass and run off tackle to let thr RBs get into space quicker. I want to see the return of the big splits. Yes it leaves gaps to blitz but they also provide throwing lanes and makes the DL have to go further to get to the QB. WRs have to get open plain and simple use the crossing routes to our advantage and use the screen to deflect the upfield rush. I hoped that Potts could get it together this year but it seems as though when he goes flat he just can’t get his game back. Sticks should get a fair shake in the next game and also allow Doege and Karam to get some time to have some experience for next year. Lastly Brown has to get this offense going or he needs to go. While UT had a great defense that is no excuse for the offensive performance. We should have been able to hang with that defense and put more than 7 points on the board.
by ST04 on Sep 19, 2010 6:05 PM CDT via mobile reply actions
My thoughts from section 8 row 14
I’ll run through a few topics and give my thoughts. First though, I’ll preface by saying that I do not think its constructive to just say I want Leach back (which I do), but that it’s very constructive to compare Leach’s offense (which was the best in the nation over 10 years IMO) to Brown’s. And also, I’ll say I think Leach would have played Sticks and would have won by 2 TD’s last night (not just b/c of Sticks of course). But more on that thought in a second.
1. Crowd: I’ve heard a few people complaining on here and I think you are NUTS!!!!! The crowd was amazing. It was extremely loud in the first half. Second half I saw people still yelling their hearts out even when we didn’t have much to yell for. The place was electric and I think very impressive. The stadium looks great, and 60K fans looked awesome. I’m very confused on the attendance number because supposedly our capacity is 61,500 and the game was a sellout. Plus the students were let in to fill the grass. My estimating if thats the case is about 63K or so but they announced less than 61K. Either way it was awesome. People leaving at the end were disgusted with the offense and punt at the end. I’m not going to put down people who drive 6 hours from Dallas or Austin or wherever and shell out $100 for a ticket b/c they leave after we lose a real shot to win the game with a few minutes left. The crowd was awesome and stadium/crowd is impressive to recruits.
2. Defense: It was awesome. Rankings be damned. The bend don’t break from last year did well when big playmakers made plays, but this defense forces mistakes. 340 yards against UT when we only have 150 and the turnovers is huge. If we wouldn’t have extended their drives with stupid penalties it would have been even better. Our defense is moving in the right direction for sure. And Gilbert didn’t just make bad passes on those turnovers. We tipped balls and forced turnovers. The quick reflexes on the deflections is all talent. In no way did I ever feel like our defense was to small, slow, or anything else to beat their O. We physically competed with them. As far as Ford and the youtube clip above, I would have had Ford running sprints till 3AM last night. That being said its the same bullshit that happens with UT every year. Obviously this is referee bias and the clip above PROVES that. Its nothing new. Get used to refs costing us points against UT every year. Not only do they have their pick of players, but the refs help them. The fact that we ever win is amazing.
The D line was huge for us. Scott Smith was a beast and Whitlock may be our best player. He overpowered UT and is a hero. I love where our D is headed and with the air raid we would have killed UT last night. I cry over that sentence.
3. Offense: I’ll skip most of the details and go right to the overarching problem. If we are going to try and man up and beat them with the play we run into the huddle by just overpowering, we better start getting better offensive linemen. The air raid was predicated on creating rhythm and giving what the D gave you if necessary. Where are the screen passes?! Where are the short slants and outs? This is bread and butter stuff for struggling offenses. Whether its the NFL, college spread, or some other offense. If you have trouble getting the O going you do one of three things. You pound the ball and try for 3.33 yards a carry to generate some first downs. You throw screens and short/underneath, passes to dink away at first downs. You go deep or do trick plays to get momentum. WE DID NONE OF THIS. That is Brown’s fault only. Or TUBS if he had input. The biggest difference in Brown and Leach so far for me is that we do not dink those small plays when we have to. That gets you in rhythm and opens up other stuff. I’m also about 99% sure that Brown’s offense is built for a running QB. Who we leave on the bench.
4. O line splits: They should be bigger b/c we are used to running through those holes and our O line needs the extra space. We have a RB back there to block most the time anyways. If someone splits a gap then he should block them. Overall, the O line is not that great but again, my biggest concerns are up in #3 above.
5. Playmakers: Where are they? On defense is your answer. And the sad thing is we have guys who have made plays in years past on this offense. My only thought is the NEW offense is throwing them off.
6. Potts vs. Sticks: First, I will say that Potts played a bit better than I thought he would. Then I’ll say I thought he would be absolutely awful. Instead he was just awful. So a step of from the past two weeks… Is Sticks the answer? I guess we will never know b/c Tubs won’t play him. And don’t give me the BS that he got a shot on those 3 plays. His first play kicked ass. His second showed a throw that was perfectly placed on a defender with his back to the QB. Potts CANNOT make that pass. If Batch had caught that ball we might have a victory b/c Tubs would have had to leave him in. His 3rd play the O line sucked really bad. For me he had 2 plays that showed something Potts cannot do and 1 play that is irrelevant b/c the O line block was so bad that no amount of scrambling or stepping up in the pocket would help. Is Sticks God’s gift to Tech? I’m not saying that, but its clear Potts is just not very good and so we either roll with Sticks or prep the QB’s of the future in my book. No point in watching Potts suck in hopes of making the Independence Bowl…
I will say that Brown’s play calling doesn’t help, and I HATE that the QB doesn’t call the plays. WTF is up with that? The QB can see and read the D once he is out there. This is how its done in the NFL. Our QB’s can do this unlike the shit Brown must have been working with at Troy b/c we have always done this. I think that would have helped even Potts to be able to check to something that works.
7. UT: Their D played really well and overall they played “up” for this game bigtime. For all the UT people that think Tech is just this blip on the radar that doesn’t matter, it sure didn’t look like it from the UT intensity during the game. Nor did it feel like it when UT fans were talking trash to me. Those fans and that team yesterday felt like this game was a big deal. Not just a big deal like “every game is a big deal”, but they were pumped. It was refreshing to see a high level of intensity. If either Tech or UT plays that hard next week, UCLA and ISU are a going to be killed.
8. T-shirt fans: They are horrible and tried to start a fight at the tailgate I was at by “thug walking” through and yelling at us. This happened unprovoked and they just walked through for no reason. It was actually a bit uncomfortable b/c they looked so aggressive (for no reason) and also looked like they possibly had knives/guns. As I’ve said before, I really wish Tech had tons of T-shirt fans b/c I’d love the revenue, but being on the other side is not fun. The best response is to just ask “when did you graduate” and move on. Also, UT fans get a bad rap in part by these T-shirt fans who really do not represent their university. So, I don’t relate these people to UT fans. It would be the same if a guy buys a Tech shirt and acts like an idiot. If its not a graduate or someone that grew up a fan I have a hard time bring that up to a UT person. Anyone can buy any shirt and then go act a fool. UT just has about 50% of their fan base in this category…
9. “silent treatment” We have video on our camera of UT fans yelling Texas Fight during our school song. While I don’t care and was not offended, Hance and that donor can bite my ass.
10. Tubs talk: He really doesn’t get the spread and doesn’t realize what he is saying sometimes. The comments above talking about how we should have made ZERO adjustments to the #4 offense are correct. Instead we have broken what was fixed… Lets just hope these are growing pains with the new staff. Or that Lincoln Riley wants the O Coordinator job here next year…
11. Tech pride: I think Tech fans handled themselves well where I was and walked out with heads high (relatively speaking). The people I saw driving back to Dallas were in generally good spirits. We have a lot of things to be very proud of and are on the move UP not down. It was a great weekend to show recruits and a great weekend to be a Tech fan (except our offense obviously). While I’m not so optimistic about this year, I do believe that Tubs will make adjustments and is a good coach. I do think we can win a championship, and I will not stop supporting my team EVER. I will by season tickets, I will not be silent, and I will be a fan till I die. Raider Nation can get this done. We can and will.
Good post Logan5555
Agree with #6 especially the QB’s calling the plays and #10 Tubs talk.
by Arizona Raider on Sep 19, 2010 7:11 PM CDT up reply actions
great post but disagree with your number 11
To me this game revealed Tech’s problems and predicted the future.
Coaches are dead set on running their particular systems.
There will be no championship this year or next.
Fans must wait for the coaches to recruit their type of players.
This year we are stuck watching a mediocre Taylor Potts.
Games will be boring on offense but somewhat entertaining on defense.
I believe this loss was a larger disappointment than your number 11 suggests.
by Distant Raider on Sep 20, 2010 5:12 AM CDT up reply actions
Everybody is recruiting "their types of players"
So Tech will always be behind the teams that out recruit us. How will that be any different than the Jerry Moore years?
It's called the Air Raid. So why would you try to run it like it's 1992?
Logan5555 you are scaring me ..
First nice post, a very accurate assesment. I’ll get around to weighing in later this am. But here’s what’s scaring me.. my Brother and I were sitting in Section 8 Row 13, seats 7 & 8. So You must have been yelling over the top of our heads. Folks the crowd was awesome. Tubs does deserve to be criticized for the "preserve " a 10 point loss strategy – actually its a tactic.
"do routine things routinely"
by centexraider on Sep 20, 2010 7:03 AM CDT up reply actions
Ha I'm sure I was.
I’m in seats 17 and 18 though. I almost passed out about 10 times from yelling too much.
Very good analysis....
I think you mostly nailed it, even Mac Brown looked like he was really concentrating on what was happening. Most of the time he looks like he’s in some kind of fog. As far as the qb thoughts that have been expressed, I don’t know if Sticks would be able to change the way this offense is headed without some help from the O line and the O coordinator. There is obviously a disconnect between what we were led to believe, and what has appeared on the field. N Brown’s Troy offense looked pretty good last year, but that offense is not what I’m seeing at the Jones. So the changes to his scheme have not worked. We were hoping that the Tech staff was holding something back that would show up for this game, and they were. But sadly that something was only on the defensive side of the ball. Major, and I mean major changes need to be made in this offense, or we slip back into middle of the pack.
great points logan but.....
I just wonder how impressive the stadium is going to be when it is half full.
"uh, uh, well, uh yeah, I think the guys, uh played, uh pretty well in the second
half." The captains words, after uh, the insight bowl. You're the best Mike!
Something that pisses me off....
This is supposition, but I strongly feel that Tubbs is sitting back saying, “I’m the coach, TTU is paying me, so I’ll make these decisions, not the fans.”. And the sad thing is, he is right. He’s getting paid millions, so he better get his crap together.
"The trouble with referees is that they know the rules, but they do not know the game." --Bill Shankly
No one has mentioned this hit
The hit Tech put on Texas running back Nathaniel ‘Tre’ Newton III, son of old cowboy blowhard ESPN radio Nate Newton. The hit that made Tre go to the locker room.
The replay looked like a helmet to helmet hit that was not called. I will admit the hit felt like payback from the no call helmet hit last year on Potts. I do hate to see a kid injured. I don’t listen to Nate and I don’t even know if he is still on the air, but I can just imagine the one sided bias coming out of his mouth Monday.
"it may look like zombies destroyed it, but that's actually just Garland"
The hit last year by Kindle
When Kindle hit Potts, it was not helmet-to-helmet. It was “leading with the helmet”, however. That is supposed to be cause for a penalty, and with the referee looking directly at the play and not calling a penalty, that was gross homerism and a classless act of terrible officiating. If you can view the hit again, in slow motion, you will see that Sergio PURPOSELY lowered his head so he COULD lead with the helmet during the tackle. No one, ever, can convince me otherwise. That play, because of the turnover created, was instrumental in Tech losing that game. It took Tech completely out of the game at Potts’ expense.
I don’t think, though anyone goes in planning a payback hit like that, and if you look at the replays, it was probably just an over-exuberant action, not an intentional one like Kindle’s.
TTpilk Psalm 117:
1 ¶ O praise the LORD, all ye nations: praise him, all ye people.
2 For his merciful kindness is great toward us: and the truth of the LORD endureth for ever. Praise ye the LORD.
Disappointing
Disappointed in the “that was gross homerism and a classless act of terrible officiating” portion of your comment. I tend to agree with you most of the time, however, have to disagree somewhat on this one. Terrible no call – absolutely! I am sure the Referee was downgraded (yes, they are graded on each and every play – determines future assignments, bowl games, etc.) on that play – what it cost him I have no idea. I can assure you, the speed of the D1 game is way too fast for officials to think through who did it, etc before making or not making a call. – giving them too much credit to think that’s possible. If you have never officiated, I encourage you to put on the stripes – would be interested to see what your thoughts were after your experience! PS – Psalm 117:2 – “merciful kindness”?
Hey tturef, I need some insight.
What was the deal with the no call with UT taunting, and the official having to all but push the UT guy away from ours, then 3 plays later calling it on us for saying one thing and walking away?
Could be a couple of things
Had the same thoughts at the game – gotta think the D back must have said something to the tu guy that “crossed the line” – there is a whole game within the game going on out there no one “hears” unless you are in the middle of it – D back could have been warned several times prior, etc. When you look at it from the “outside looking in” it appears exactly the same with one being called and one not being called – usually there is more to the story. Most officials try and do some “preventative officiating” – i.e. getting between players, letting them know you are going to be around all night, etc. – sometimes it just reaches the point when the player doesn’t give you a choice. Would be interesting to know the thoughts of the official who made the call and the one who did not – we might not agree with it even then but at lease we would know the thought process – the coaches get the explantion but that doesn’t help the rest of us!
I thought it was the other way around.
I saw a man-blocking scheme break down on one of our sacks. I was too drunk for the others.
by Skin Patrol on Sep 19, 2010 10:37 PM CDT up reply actions
I HANG THIS ON BAILEY, MYERS,ETC:
THEY HAVE BROUGHT IN A COACH HUCKLEBERRY WHOSE ONLY ATTRIBUTE IS HE KNOWS HOW TO STROKE THE ALUMNI WHALES! AS MENTIONED ABOVE, WHERES THE SCREENS, WHERES THE “JAILBREAK!!!!.” BESIDES XsAND Os WHAT IS SEEING ITS END IS OUR CONFIDENCE. WITH LEACH WE ALWAYS KNEW WE HAD A CHANCE TO WIN BECAUSE OF HIS GENIUS. LAST NIGHT IF YOU WERE THERE YOU KNEW THE VIBE IN THE STADIUM IS NOW DIFFERENT. HOWEVER I DID SEE GUY BAILEY ENJOYING A SCOTCH IN HIS BOX. THANK YOU GERALD AND “GOOD OLE BOYS” FOR SETTING BACK TECH FOOTBALL.
I said it last Sunday......
What happens when we lose our first game? The answer: the crazies still willing to call themselves Team Leach will come out of the wood work. Still 2 and 1, and we haven’t lost to Houston yet. Not that objectivity and perspective seem high on your list.
"Dress good, yu'll play good. Play good, yu'll get paid good." -Deion Sanders
Just because some of us are upset about the actions of the admin in December affecting the team's performance doesn't make us crazies
But I agree with Seth that it’s not helpful cuz he’s not coming back. At the same time I reserve the right to bitch about it from time to time. You will NEVER convince me that with Leach at the helm we would have had less than 200 yards total offense. I can pout about that and then move on. I hope last night’s game was the wake up call Brown and katfish needed.
The crazie reference wad not for you.
I didn’t see screaming in all caps that losing week three to a top 6 team meant Armageddon.
"Dress good, yu'll play good. Play good, yu'll get paid good." -Deion Sanders
I discussed 'what if'
jimmy Johnson and Jerry didn’t screw up a good thing for years. I imagine I might noodle the leach debacle for some time. As far as it not being useful or anything we can change…..what is said here won’t change anything moving forward with tubs and gang.
If 5 years from now , we see this as the end of a successful era…..it’s probably worth the discussion. Anyway, I hope they figure how to get this offense clicking.
"It's fun to do bad things"- Latarian
by oldschoolraider on Sep 19, 2010 8:11 PM CDT up reply actions
To all the Tech fans that believe Mike Leach would have won last night...
This is the best Texas defense Mack has ever had, it looked the part and Mack stated that himself. Having said that, Mike Leach only beat Texas twice in 10 years and that was against worse defenses than we saw last night.
Now with the best defense Texas has ever had you think Mike Leach and his 2-8 record versus weaker Texas defenses, wins last night?
Tuberville is a better coach and we’re going to be a better team overall with him.
will never know if leach wins last night, but
with the high number ob turnovers that ut had, i suspect he might have capitalized on at least two of them, would not have punted as much and would not have thrown in the towel at the 2 min mark. just an opinion…..no facts…..speculation only based on previous actions.
"There's gong to be ups and downs, but you have to enjoy the battle." - Mike Leach
With a Leach offence, you get a Leach defence
With those, I think Texas has a lot more than 24 points.
Yeah, that Leach defense last year
gave up 21 points a game.
"I cannot guarantee the safety of anyone in the stadium that's not a Texas Tech fan"- Degenerate Hobo
by San Antonio Red Raider on Sep 19, 2010 11:29 PM CDT up reply actions
Yeah but
A Leach offense and a Tubbs D and we have a winning combo. The D is here but Tubs threw away the O and killed the program. Best we can hope for this year is 8-4. UGLY!
We need to keep in mind that the UT secondary is considered the best in the country. Doesn’t mean we shouldn’t have done better, but those guys back there will likely all play on Sunday. I doubt any of our current WRs will.
by Tech92 on Sep 19, 2010 9:23 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
We will not be a better team under Tuberville....
You saw that last night.
"Have a happy halftime." - Mike Leach
Leong and Lewis Might
"It's fun to do bad things"- Latarian
by oldschoolraider on Sep 19, 2010 9:32 PM CDT up reply actions
"Tuberville is a better coach"
You know this how? No evidence whatsoever. A good coach doesnt call time out in the middle of one of very very few offensive drives to slow down our own momentum, nor does one punt with 1:30 left and down by ten, only to call a timeout to stop the clock later on. I think he may have developed Alzheimer’s or something.
Bullshit.
If Leach was the coach last night, Tech wins by 10 points.
"I cannot guarantee the safety of anyone in the stadium that's not a Texas Tech fan"- Degenerate Hobo
by San Antonio Red Raider on Sep 19, 2010 11:26 PM CDT up reply actions
holy crap, my comment fell down the stairs. Tech Advisor- Bullshit.
With all due respect because I don’t know who you are.
"I cannot guarantee the safety of anyone in the stadium that's not a Texas Tech fan"- Degenerate Hobo
by San Antonio Red Raider on Sep 19, 2010 11:28 PM CDT up reply actions
I will throw the challenge flag
On this being macks best d….rice, Wyoming and tub’s sec offense is not what he will see in upcoming games. Many qb’s won’t be throwing into double coverage all game. A mobile qb will eat their lunch.
I would def take my chances with air raid last night.
Air raid….
R.I.P
"It's fun to do bad things"- Latarian
by oldschoolraider on Sep 19, 2010 8:04 PM CDT reply actions
What a let down
Had my cousin and his wife fly in from SEC country to come out and watch this game in Lubbock only to get our asses handed to us. Tailgating was great and pregame festivities were awesome but the game started and Potts became the Potts of ‘09 again. I’m in agreement with Seth on this one. I have tried to believe that he’s a new and improved QB, but hell no. I’m not saying Sheffield would have won that game either. Today we are in trouble at that position for sure. Thank the lord for the defensive TD and a decent effort by the defense to show up. We have no O-line. I was biting my tounge as I sat next to Matt Moore’s wife, childdren and inlaws. Fact is we lack a great deal of things on this team and we lost to a much better team. I was thinking there was going to be some surprise offensive scheme but nothing but 3 and out all night long and a few INT’s. A pathetic performance. I say start burning those redshirts and lets get a QB in the rotation that has some damn skills.
"You've got to find your inner pirate" - Mike Leach
way to go DTN...
I have read this entire thread and there was maybe 2 comments on the seriously bad call for taunting on that Texas drive at crunch time…I immediately thought of the clipping flag on the Texas punt return for a td 2 years ago that was picked up with no explanation. Didn’t Leach get fined for comments made about officiating in a game in Austin a few years ago too?….are we just numb to this type of officiating in these rivalry games and have just learned to take it…what’s with this…is it not obvious to the fans who follow college football in the state of Texas that something is rotten…anyway I am just glad there is not a bunch of ranting on DTN about bad calls…don’t want to sound like a bunch of SEC fans…
"Fill it up again". "It's so good! Once it hits your lips it's so good!" -Frank the Tank
lets just be happy we are not UofH fans/alumni
they lost keenum and the backup for the rest of the season… they have to play a freshman now…I wish good luck to kingsbury!
Playing a freshman right now doesn’t sound all that bad to me.
"You've got to find your inner pirate" - Mike Leach
Bazinga
"It's fun to do bad things"- Latarian
by oldschoolraider on Sep 19, 2010 8:35 PM CDT up reply actions
Seriously?
I didn’t know it went that bad last night. I was numb to everything.
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Without Questions, There are limited Resources...
Improvements
The coaching staff has improved the glaring problems each week. Week 1 was special teams against SMU. Week 2 was defense. Week 3 is offense. Ideally they would have anticipated these things before the games but they are at least learning as they go.
The UT game was bad but we lost the game because of our own execution and errors. That will be corrected. The offense is in for a painful 2 weeks growing pains and ass chewing. Iowa State will hopefully be their vindication game.
Our toughest game of the season is behind us. I expect our offense to rock out the season – with or without Potts. It ain’t over!
Norman will be a murder scene
with Potts at qb and brown calling plays like last night. The mercy rule would be revived…this isn’t hyperbole.
"It's fun to do bad things"- Latarian
by oldschoolraider on Sep 19, 2010 9:35 PM CDT up reply actions
OU was Leaches Cryptonite.
I think after last nights embarrassment Tubs won’t get caught with his pants down again. Feel free to call me PollyAnna but I think we’ll win the rest of our games. The defense will continue to improve and the offense will find their stride.
Mojo I hope you are right
but I just don’t see us scoring on anybody in the Big 12 with this offense. If the defense does not make a few plays, it could have been 54-14. Coach Brown has respect and took it easy on Tville on his 56th birthday.
It's going to be a rough year...
All the games where I would normally give us a slight edge I’m going to put in the loss column… 9-3 is the limit of my optimism right now. Likely it’ll be 8-4 though… if it’s 7-5.. arg.
Taunting Penalty sums up the entire evening
If it was gonna go wrong for Tech, it was going to happen last night. That was probably the biggest BS of a taunting call i have ever seen.
"Well I’m glad you picked us last, we put that on the bulletin board and maybe we can circle around that" - Neal Brown, Offensive Coordinator
I waited 24 hours to write this
and I am still pissed. When it comes down to it, this offense is Conflicted. On one hand you have our head coach Tville telling us that offensive coordinator Mr. Brown is not going to change much, and that we would not even notice the difference. Are you kidding me. I said after both the SMU and NM game that this offense was in trouble. Last night on the post game show our HC said that this team can’t win throwing the ball 60 times per game, and that unless we get a running game, it is going to be a long season. You freaking idiot, we just won for the last ten years and went to ten bowl games throwing the ball 60 times per game. Therein lies the problem, this team is conflicted, and our team was not built around a running game. I know it has been metioned too many times to repeat, but both Leach and HC saw something in Potts. I think the problem is that our OC is in way over his head. This is the Big 12. He is only 30 years old and came from a little tiny program. Tville, this didn’t work for you once before, and you did it again. HC does not learn from his previous mistakes. HC took away the wide splits, and everything that was unique to this offense. Now we are predictable, and we can’t score. Hell we scored more points on Nebraska at thier place last year with a broken down offensive line, and a back up quarterback. Coach Leach was a genius. I just don’t think that Tville is going to be around long enough to recruit the kids that he wants. And even if he does, you think he is going to fill up the Jones with 14-10 wins. He is going to put us all to sleep. He is not going to win six games a year with his offensive game plan in the Big 12. Plus, we are never goiing to out recruit Texas, OU, and A&M, we just aren’t. But, we can get those three and four star recruits, and we can win 10 games a year with them. You saw how well the running game worked for Texas last night. Their offense kept us in the game until Potts threw it away. would turn this around, but there is now way he sticks this out, and he will be gone in two years after he kills our program. In closing, I don’t have the answer, but I know that I don’t even know if it Potts fault. I think the HC and OC are to blame. Leach had a system, and it really did not matter who you put in the system. It could be Potts, Sticks Doege or whoever. The problem is the system, not the QB. There I said it. We need a new HC or a new OC. Another Red Raider First Down.
Whoa there buddy
Dont say that about the system! Someone may hear you! haha. Agree with all of it, but I’ll go on to say that Potts will not help in any offense.
I'm with you Btech
mainly because I had to make the same drive as you back to San Antonio after watching a boring ass SEC game last night. 144 effing yards.
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by San Antonio Red Raider on Sep 19, 2010 11:33 PM CDT up reply actions
Amen....good meeting you and your son in law.
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by oldschoolraider on Sep 20, 2010 8:01 AM CDT up reply actions
I Love Texas Tech
and I was in pain leaving Jones Stadium last night. As great as the defense was to watch, the offensive “thrill” is gone.
Remembering better days
It has been therapeutic and cathartic reading these posts. Thanks everyone. I’d like to add three things:
1. In Potts’ first three games in 2009 He passed for 405, 456, and then 420 yds against the loss to Texas. In his first three games this year Potts has passed 359, 293, and last night only 158 yds against the Longhorns.
2. Tech didn’t have strong offensive wins in the first two games. In game #1 against SMU, TT needed those 4 turnovers and resulting 21 converted points to win the game. In game #2 against UNM, TT’s special teams set up the offense to score 28 points in just 6 plays covering a scant 24 yards. If you also subtract TT’s quick TD on the 4th play of the game, Tech plays the Lobos for a 17-17 tie for 57 minutes of the game.
3. Finally, we can all relive better days by viewing this excellent 2008 recap of TT’s win over the Longhorns. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vqmlVLUBvbw
Congrats!...or should I say, condolences
"They challenged us. They said, 'Here, try to run past us, try to run inside us.' And they were better at preventing that than we were throwing and catching it." --Mike Leach
If there is anything positive that we can take from this write up
it’s the fact that 2 of those girls in the picture above are twins. That being said………..
Well, use your imagination. To the current students of the University on this board, you now have a mission.
" Answers --Become Resources."
Without Questions, There are limited Resources...
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Dazed and Confused – A documentary film of my high school years.
It's called the Air Raid. So why would you try to run it like it's 1992?
One statistic that must change if Tubbs is ever going to be successful at Tech:
- .893. Mack Brown’s winning percentage as the Texas head coach against in-state schools.
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