Texas Tech Football | Monday's Presser, Gearing Up for the Longhorns
There's more than just the Monday presser in today's post so make sure and read the whole thing. As I've maintained, I do like reading over head coach Tommy Tuberville's thoughts on Monday. I know a lot of you probably don't read what he has to say, but I find it interesting and I think he's pretty darned honest in most of his press conferences. I know that there are still a few of you that hang on to what Tuberville has said in the past, but you should give these press conferences a chance.
I'm going to be away from DTN almost all day today, so please keep the comments respectful and thoughtful. A lot of what I've written this morning is most likely going to cause some reactions and I understand that. I'll try to answer comments later tonight, but keep it respectful, no name-calling and other stuff.
Up first, some news.
News, Notes and Links
- Tech regents ratify six-year assignment of sports media rights to Big 12 | Red Raiders | I don't think this is big news as this is the first tier and second tier rights that I think every other Big 12 university has agreed to assign to the Big 12.
- Red Raiders football notebook: Corker could start | Red Raiders | I'm hopeful that
WRCB Shawn Corker can make an impact on Saturday. Corker has the right attitude:
"You put all your hard work and effort into it," Corker said Monday. "To see something that you love and have a passion for go away, you start growing and developing in different areas. Now I have dreams to be a starting corner in the NFL and hopefully start for this team."
Also, CB Tre Porter and SS Terrance Bullitt will not play this week and Brent Mitchem, who was at weak safety last week, will back up at strong safety and weak safety. Also, I think that DirecTV and Fox have come to terms, so there's that.
Head Coach Tommy Tuberville
A lot of what Tuberville focused on this week was how the team and coaches just didn't play well and how this team can't show up without emotion:
So, saying that, we're not a good enough team to go out and play football. We've got to play football with emotion. We've got to play football as coaches with emotion, and it just wasn't there. Again, we're not good enough to go out there and say we can out-execute another team. We're not even close to that. We didn't do it, so we have to get back to the emotion part. Won't have any problem this week because of who we're playing. After looking at the film, we didn't play or coach that well on either side of the ball.
I also found this quote pretty interesting in that Tuberville was asked about finding leaders on the team that aren't the main players and he said that's tough to do, but he ended that answer with what I think the real problem is, which is that the players aren't adhering to the rules of the defense and people are doing their own thing. I alluded to this after the game, which is that I thought LB Daniel Cobb and LB Cqulin Hubert weren't in the right spots and WS Cody Davis admitted that he was in the wrong spot in the 71-yard touchdown run:
We've got some good leaders on the practice field, but right now when we get into games, we've got serious problems especially on the defensive side of the ball of everybody doing their thing, much less pulling the guy along with them. That comes from experience. That comes from success.
On the crowd:
Again, a lot of people say well, the fans weren't into it, and we didn't give them anything to get into it.
As to the comments that Tuberville made last week after the Oklahoma win, he was asked about (and the entire question was indiscernible) the fan base getting on board with what he's trying to do at Texas Tech and saying that he wants not just an offense, but an offense, defense and special teams:
Yeah, well, it doesn't hurt. We haven't had everybody on the same page. We've got a philosophy, and we stuck with it since we've been here. It's kind of like a circus. It's not a one-ring circus, it's three-ring. It's not an offense. It's offense, defense, and kicking game. We're going to do it that way. That's how you win games on the road. We won. Saturday night, we had an offense that scored points, but no way in the world would we have won that game had we played -- we'd have been out of it so quick, our heads would have spun. So I'm glad other people sound like they're deciding to jump on and usually when you win a game, they do.
I think I understand both perspectives. The comment about not just having an offense are unnecessary, but I think Tuberville's larger point is that he knows that Texas Tech isn't going to win a conference title with just having an offense that can score a lot (or in the case of last week, little), but he's wants a well-rounded team and he made mention of that this week as well. This is a different sport, but I think back to the days when the San Antonio Spurs and Dallas Mavericks in the early oughts, when the Spurs were winning with defense and low scoring teams and the Mavericks were winning with a high powered offense. The Spurs were winning championships, while the Mavs were winning games and not championships. Historically, defenses do win championships and can think of two teams, LSU and Alabama this year, that are hands-down the best defenses in the nation and are also the best teams in the nation. I don't know if this is unattainable for Texas Tech, to have a defense that is on caliber with what most think are a championship defense, but that doesn't mean that I don't want him to stop trying. Yes, the Big 12 is an offensive league and perhaps it would be sufficient to just have an offense that's lights-out, but I also think that the SEC part of Tuberville wants a defense that can win games for him like on Saturday and I want Tuberville or anyone else here after that to continue to work towards that goal each year.
This is probably the naive part of me in that I really want both, but I go back to my simplistic Mavs vs. Spurs thought, which is that more times than not, a defense will not let you down and it's the reason I think the Spurs won championships while the Mavs floundered in the first round. The Mavs experienced success when they did focus on the defensive side of things, most notably this past year. They weren't great defensively, but they were pretty good (top 10 in points allowed). I think this is what Tuberville is getting at, which is that the offense has bailed out the defense on more than a handful of occasions this year and he knows that there will be times when the offense fails and that the defense has to pick up the pieces for the offense and stop an opponent:
I keep telling everybody, you can't win games and championships with offense every week. Your offense is going to have a bad game. They did, and that's exactly what you get. You've got to have a defensive football team. Which they can show up every week, if guys get better and get confidence and you've got depth, but our defense has kind of lived off the offense all year long. It pretty much showed up Saturday. You've got to have a complete football team, and not half of a football team.
QB Seth Doege
I avoided this topic last week, but I encouraged you to read the transcript from last week's press conference. I wanted to see if anyone was actually reading them and if you were, then were you also caught off-guard by this. I'm not going to avoid it this week. When asked who the emotional leader of this team is, Doege said this:
I think there are a lot of guys that we all kind of pass it along. It's whoever is kind of at the moment who is in the lead, who can do it. But if I had to pick a guy, Adam James can spark some guys with what he says, and get some guys going by his excitement. Alex Torres does the same thing. When he says something, you listen to him. Those are two guys that really come to mind when guys are going to spark the team a little bit.
Doege said something similar last week. A lot of you weren't happy when Tuberville said last week that if people were criticizing Adam James that he would come off the field and let you know how he feels. Some of you took offense to this and that's fine. I said this yesterday in a comment some place, that I don't blame Tuberville for trying to protect one of his players. James catches more flack on DTN than just about any website out there. If you're at all unsure if that last statement is true, then I'd encourage you to make similar comments on RP.com or RRS.com and see what happens. In any event, the point is that Tuberville most likely hears those comments during a game and if I had to guess, all he is hearing when people speak of James are criticisms and I do take some solace in the fact that Tuberville is sticking up for his player. I'm not expecting you to agree with that sentiment, but I understand why Tuberville is trying to stick up for his player.
Tuberville was being a press-conference-tough-guy by making the statement that he would come up in the stands and there were internet-tough-guy comments made last week by some of you about how you'd teach Tuberville a lesson. Obviously, it's hyperbole on both sides.
More after the jump.
But something has changed. I don't know if James is a different person or if he has done something to earn the respect of his teammates, but it's happened. And I don't know how some of you take to the fact that Doege, who seems like a smart person, has referenced James in two consecutive weeks as a player that motivates the team. I think that for some of you, that's hard to compute and it's hard for me to wrap my thick skull around it, and that there must be some sort of sinister under-the-table things or deals with the devil for this to be true.
I don't know James and the only things that I've ever read about James is what I've read in the transcripts from his deposition. Other than what his teammates say about him, this is all I know and this is all you know (unless you know him personally). I'm not going to give him a pass for his past transgressions, but I also can't ignore the fact that he may have changed as a human being. I also don't believe that last week is any sort of vindication or anything like that. That's a bit much for me and I don't believe that a person is vindicated by performing for one game on the field, that doesn't compute either.
I've said it before and I'll say it again, if you chose to "boo" James on senior night, that's certainly your right. If I were there, I'd just be quiet, much like the silent scare, and not do anything. For me, he is not worth the emotion of a cheer or a jeer. I just want this chapter to end so I can move onto talking about football things on the football field. I know, that's a crazy thing to consider. I know some of you think that it would be incredibly easy for Adam to just come clean about everything that happened or didn't happen, but I don't think that story will ever be told. I understand what you may want, but realistically, I just don't think it's going to happen so I guess that I think that wishing for something that doesn't seem likely is a tough thing for me to spend my time thinking about. I said this yesterday (in another comment somewhere), if you're looking for vindication, then I think the only satisfaction that you'll get is if the Supreme Court of Texas allows for Leach to seek monetary damages and throws out Texas Tech's sovereign immunity defense (I do not know the likelihood of this) and then it goes to trial and a jury will make a decision as to whether or not Leach was wrongly terminated. If I had to guess, I think that this is the problem that most people have, which is that Leach might not have his day in court, although I suppose that Leach could go to trial anyway and just not seek monetary damages. If this were to happen, then I think eventually, especially here at DTN, these issues would eventually pass, but because those that do feel that Leach was wrongly terminated, then you're left in this state of limbo where there really isn't an answer for the time being and that's the frustrating part.
And I also think the notion that James is only playing because Craig James has Tuberville under his thumb. Maybe I'm reading Tuberville wrong, but I don't get the feeling that Tuberville is under the thumb of anyone especially Craig James. I think the reason why Adam is playing is because he probably knows the offense better than fellow TE Jace Amaro right now. Amaro is just a freshman and supremely talented. But other than running back, it's incredibly difficult to make an impact as a true freshman. That's not just at Texas Tech, but really everywhere. It's just tough to make an impact as an 18 year old kid playing against players that may be 3 or 4 years older than you. I think that if you were to look at the 2011 recruiting class, you'd be hard-pressed to find a bunch of players who are making huge contributions (other than at running back) to their respective teams, no matter how talented those players are.
I know that these are rambling thoughts and they probably don't make a ton of sense. I apologize if they don't. The biggest thing for me is that I the constant back-and-forth of Leach vs. Texas Tech vs. Craig James vs. Adam James vs. the Texas Tech administration wears on me more than you might ever know. It probably shouldn't, but it does. So let's get back to some quotes.
Doege also said that there was a players-only meeting yesterday:
We've already addressed it. We had a team meeting yesterday, a players' only talk. So we addressed it. I think guys are refocused. I think that game refocused everybody. Just knowing that if we're not ready to play, anybody on our schedule can beat us just like we can beat anybody as well. I think as a team we're ready to roll, ready to practice, and ready to prepare for the Horns.
I think it's encouraging that the loss on Saturday was meaningful enough to the team to stop down and address what they need to correct.
DL Donald Langley
It's sorta funny to read Langley's comments, especially when he tries to name the UT running backs (hint: he can't). Here he is talking about the Longhorns:
Texas is a good team. Texas is a good team. They have a real good O-line. They have some young guys at quarterback and things like that. So really we just have to do our job as the defensive line in the front seven with the four defensive linemen and the two linebackers and basically the DBs. We have to go out there and be more physical than they are. We just have to play our game and do the best we can. At the end of the day, it's going to be a battle. It's a rivalry game. Everybody's going to be watching us so, we have to do our end to produce.
On the Texas running backs:
Their running back, I know they have the young guy Charles Brown or something like that. They have a young guy that plays for Texas. I know he's a good running back. I know No. 2 for Texas is real good. He had a couple of kickoffs returned for touchdowns and he's fast and loose. So we have to break down. All 11 guys got to rush to the football because those guys have the ability to make you miss and great quickness. Like coach says, we have to hunt together. So all the guys have to have their head on football.
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Good write up Seth.
As always level headed. I can except what Tubs was saying in the Monday press conference. He took ownership. I like that he defends A James. It’s his ball player, and he has really shown some true grit.
Defense problems: I don’t think some of these kids are buying in to the 4-2-5 yet. I think once we get a few years under Chad these kids will start to trust the system. But right now our D looks horrible.
Coach Tubs: Alright coach, you pissed me off with the ISU lose, and my bi polar episode is turning a little. I feel better after taking out the flame thrower….But coach, you got to win! You want us to support this team…I will always bleed red and black, but I need you to step up and coach! I’m glad you s took ownership for the lose. I can accept that….for now. Now, lets beat some shorthorn butt!
Texas Tech Defense..."60% of the time it works every time."
by I bleed Red and Black on Nov 1, 2011 8:14 AM CDT reply actions
accept*
need coffee…..
Texas Tech Defense..."60% of the time it works every time."
by I bleed Red and Black on Nov 1, 2011 8:24 AM CDT up reply actions
I would have preferred that he do what any reasonable person would have done and that is cut #82 day one.
Simple rule of thumb: Everything before the but is BS.
I think this is what I’m getting at, which is that it doesn’t compute why he’s so well thought of by his teammates, unless he’s changed from who he was two years ago, or maybe there’s some other explanation that I’m not considering. Sure, Tuberville could have cut him, but Tuberville’s first year he didn’t cut anyone on the team (as far as I can remember) and the defections, which are normal to an extent, happened during this past summer.
Go Raiders . . .
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I should add, right now, it’s really just Doege who says that James is the emotional leader of this team so it’s really not all of his teammates.
Go Raiders . . .
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I wonder if that plays into it
I remember when Karam was a freshman he was a real … I don’t want to say “leader” but definitely an inspiration for the team. Has he (Karam) gotten less enthusiastic or is he being downplayed by the guy that’s above him on the depth chart? I could see either one.
I agree
I seem to remember Leach having Karam on the travel squad just because he knew this guy was leadership on the sideline.
"You've got to find your inner pirate" - Mike Leach
But what if Karam has the same stance as Doege? And Young? And Brewer? I think this is what I’m getting at, i.e. I don’t think this is solved by replacing a player because that player says that another player is a leader.
Go Raiders . . .
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if I may be flippant
Who cares what any other QBs think of him now since he’ll be gone by the time any of them start (if they ever do). I realize that’s not exactly what you are asking, but it’s the key point, hopefully we’ll never know how any of them feel about him and I honestly hope I never hear another word about James after this season.
I understand and I guess what I’m saying is that replacing Doege might not be “an answer” in that it fixes the situation. Karam, Young and Brewer could all have the same thoughts about him.
Go Raiders . . .
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I suppose that’s one thought or they could actually like him. I know that this is something that seems completely foreign to folks on DTN, but I think this is the bigger question I’m getting at.
Go Raiders . . .
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that's possible
But, I’d put it this way. Remember when you were an 18-20 yr old? Tell me this, when you were that age, if you KNEW that there was a guy that was a social pariah, someone that lots of people did not like and couldn’t wait to speak ill of, were you rushing to speak up for that guy in front of those people?
I’m not saying it’s noble or something to take pride in, but the “mob” mentality is strong. Heck, even as an adult how many people proudly step into a group and take up a position contrary to everyone else? It’s more than zero, but certainly less than the majority. I can only assume the number is even higher for young adults fresh out of high school (where what others think is the ONLY thing that matters).
Just to be clear, I’m not saying his teammates DON’T like him, I’m simply saying that he probably wouldn’t get any press if not for the big target on his back and his teammates probably appreciate him more because of the negative view of the team’s performance thus far.
Are ya'll serious?
After what Doege did to OU? Did he give up all those points against Iowa State?
Texas PRAYS you start the other dude.
Proud of your offense? Manny badger don't give a shit!
Neither one of us are advocating that Doege doesn’t start (I hate speaking for HeeroTX).
Go Raiders . . .
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it's a-ok when you're right ;)
I’ve been a Karam fan since hearing about his efforts to help recruiting and how he would always try to fire up the team as a freshman, but I’m not against Doege. I’m just saying Doege may feel more supportive of James because the whole team feels “under siege”.
I want my QB to be a leader. It's kinda part of the job description.
Doege is wayyyy inconsistent. Why not give Karam or one of the youngsters more reps. I mean, we’re building for the future right?
that would only cause more inconsistency
IMHO you need something to be consistent and the QB position should not be shuffled back and forth.
Texas Tech Defense..."60% of the time it works every time."
by I bleed Red and Black on Nov 1, 2011 1:22 PM CDT up reply actions
Eh....
I seem to recall Harrel getting pulled a few times when he came out flat, then coming out like a man on fire. I see nothing wrong with bartering playing time for on the field performance.
put he was put right back in.
Harrell also got to play more than Doege. This is his first true start since his Jr year in HS.
Texas Tech Defense..."60% of the time it works every time."
by I bleed Red and Black on Nov 1, 2011 1:25 PM CDT up reply actions
Exactly
What I mean is nobody was comfortable playing poorly. If they played poorly they knew the next guy was going to get called in. it kept them on their toes throughout the game.
I think the jury is still out on that one.
I counter with just how Doege is Young? I think he may be the surprise of the year.
plus if we were really building for the future
put in Brewer.
Texas Tech Defense..."60% of the time it works every time."
by I bleed Red and Black on Nov 1, 2011 1:39 PM CDT up reply actions
I believe Brewer is our 4 year starter, but lets not burn his red shirt this year.
"I feel sorry for the guys," Tech head coach Tommy Tuberville said. "They fought hard tonight. We didn't look good on offense or defense at times, and at times we looked pretty good. It's just, I don't know. Weird game.
I agree
I hope he wins out during the spring. Can you imagine how dangerous this kid will be after his freshman year much less his junior/senior year? I see something special.
Doege
is still the future IMO. He has great numbers and is tough, mentally and physically. Even Tom Brady and Drew Brees have an off day a couple of times a season.
by Red and Black 71 on Nov 1, 2011 3:47 PM CDT up reply actions
I'm taking nothing away from Doege at all
He’s great. I just see a kid in Brewer that could actually break every record ever set at Tech and be a magnet for receivers during his tenure. I think he deserves a shot.
Good Leader
Watched his years at LT (Lake Travis) and if he has improved he will be a wonder to watch at the big Saturday level. He was one year behind Gilbert. And I think he was the better of there program over the past more that 3 state champ teams
by Chuck&Duck for 6 on Nov 1, 2011 9:11 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Agreed Brewer 4 year starter. Don't burn his red shirt
"I feel sorry for the guys," Tech head coach Tommy Tuberville said. "They fought hard tonight. We didn't look good on offense or defense at times, and at times we looked pretty good. It's just, I don't know. Weird game.
yea I was fixin to say...
I have two kids at Tech who know some of the players…..it’s divided camps as to James supporters and non-supporters. I think the non-supporters, have been given the Law from Tuberville and just don’t say anything publicly.
Interesting... surprised this comment doesn't get much discussion...
but we’ve got hundreds of comments about what we all think may be going on…
thanks for the insight…
"Transition is hard." - TT
by Houston Raider on Nov 2, 2011 11:32 PM CDT up reply actions
Say that is all correct and he is an emotional leader, is it worth keeping him on the team knowing that his mere presence divides the Raider Nation. There is no calculation where his value ends up a positive for the team.
Simple rule of thumb: Everything before the but is BS.
Why yes, yes it is worth it.
I don’t know if you have gone to any games in Lubbock this year, but if you have, you no doubt have heard the “new” music coming from the “giant” PA system at the north end of the field. Such cutting edge songs like the “hey” song, and other 80’s arena rock anthems can only be coming from ESPN’s CD collection which I am certain was “given” to the school by a certain espn employee in return for hat tips, and public acknowledgement.
"As we continue to merely "talk about championships""
Unless he has changed. Again, it doesn’t make sense to me, but if Tuberville gave everyone a pass the first year, no matter what, and it appears that he did. The best explanation for me is that maybe he became a leader in the locker room and changed as a human being. I really don’t know. But if Tuberville’s requirements were that you had to work out every day, not get into trouble, be a good student, etc. If you’re asking that a player be cut because he’s divisive, but he perhaps became a better person as a result of what happened, then there is a calculation that his teammates maybe think he does have value. I’m trying to figure all of this out and I’ve been relatively quiet on the subject-matter for quite some time, but the fact that Doege has stood up for him for two weeks in a row is something that has to play into the equation. And I should also add that there is a very real possibility that he hasn’t changed at all, that it’s all just public perception and we’re all getting snowed, but I don’t know that we’ll have the answer to that.
Go Raiders . . .
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That is why
to me all snakes are rattlesnakes. I can’t take the chance that one is harmless.
"As we continue to merely "talk about championships""
Never a more true statement. All snakes are rattlesnakes.
IMWTx
"We thought we were too good to play Texas f-ing A&M. Now how in the F can that be?" ML
by imisswesttexas on Nov 1, 2011 9:38 AM CDT up reply actions
and they all inject their venum when they bite
"I feel sorry for the guys," Tech head coach Tommy Tuberville said. "They fought hard tonight. We didn't look good on offense or defense at times, and at times we looked pretty good. It's just, I don't know. Weird game.
Well...technically on some snakes, the venom just kind of runs down some grooves in the rear fangs.....but I digress.
"They challenged us. They said, 'Here, try to run past us, try to run inside us.' And they were better at preventing that than we were throwing and catching it." --Mike Leach
the young ones are the most dangerous because they can't control themselves
"I feel sorry for the guys," Tech head coach Tommy Tuberville said. "They fought hard tonight. We didn't look good on offense or defense at times, and at times we looked pretty good. It's just, I don't know. Weird game.
I couldn't disagree more with this sentiment....
lots of reptilian critters are beneficial. I’d bet some even post here.
I guess what I am saying is that it really doesn’t matter whether he has changed or not. He is net-net a negative for this team and TTU.
Simple rule of thumb: Everything before the but is BS.
Sounds more like..
The team seems to realize there is something bigger that something that happened in the past. I respect that. The team is what is important; Fans are either fans or not. A fan supports the team.
Guns Up!
I won't blindly agree with this statement...
Just like I will not blindly support the “team.” That gets dangerously close to “an alum supports the administration.” I will argue “an alum supports the SCHOOL, and if the administration is doing a bad job of running the school, then a true alum helps to get that situation changed.”
In this case, the same thing applies. I’m not going to bash anyone for Doege’s opinion, especially not Doege or James. I’m not even going to bash Tuberville if we ever find out that he’s gone to the rest of the team and said “this is your teammate, put the past behind you and work as a team.”
However, if we ever find out that Tuberville or anyone else has gone to those players and encouraged them to sing James’ high praises in the media, I’m going to start having problems with that person, even if they are part of the team. I’m not saying this is occurring, just that it could be, and that to me is where the line would be getting crossed.
by RedRaiderForLife95 on Nov 1, 2011 2:52 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Where do we meet in the middle?
Is it solely the responsibility of the people who view this as a non-issue anymore or of Tuberville to come over to your side for us not to be divided anymore? Seems to me that where division exists in a group of people the solution is somewhere in the middle and very rarely exists at the extreme of either position.
I agree with Seth. I am just waiting for this young man to finish his career so that this chapter of Tech history can begin to close. At this point I feel like this entire story was simply an all around embarrassment to our University, grownups acting like children and all, and I will be much happier when Lawsuits are ruled on, or settlements are made, someone gets another job, someone graduates and we can all discuss only football or any other Tech sport.
No one ever says anything new in this argument. We just go round and round all over again. I am sure I just fell into that category too…
Our team has a football game this weekend. Can we talk about that now?
"Again, once you employ childish language..(even when camouflaged behind parentheses)….the balance of your post is easily ignored. At that point, the impression is you are more interested in hurling invective than seriously contributing to the discourse." - ForestFlyer
"I am just waiting for this young man to finish his career so that this chapter of Tech history can begin to close."
Sorry. This chapter will never close whether you and me both want it to. That’s just the honest truth.
I think for many of us
the “middle” IS the day James’ career ends at Tech.
by RedRaiderForLife95 on Nov 1, 2011 2:56 PM CDT up reply actions
Because the previous coaching staff did not like Adam James
does not mean that his teammates do not like him. We do not know what went on behind doors. There are personallity issues and maybe James’ emotional personality was clashing with Leach’s flamboyance or vice versa. It does not mean the James is bad or Leach was disrespectful. All I am saying is that maybe James works better with the current coaching staff than he did with the former. Also, it was his dad who used this as an issue to settle a personal score with Leach, so maybe we are just demonizing James too much, when the only people that matter, those who represent us on the field, his teammates, support him.
Even at 20 years old...
if my father had told me to make crap up to get my boss fired, I would have told him to shove it. By the time you’re that age, you should have enough sense of the world to know what is ethical or not, at least on a broad scale, and this situation didn’t require a microscopic knowledge of ethics.
On the other hand, he may have had no idea what Daddy was going to do with the information. That doesn’t exonerate Adam, but it might require mitigation.
by RedRaiderForLife95 on Nov 1, 2011 2:59 PM CDT up reply actions
Also, him being impressionable enough to do something that crappy to someone doesn’t change that he did it, and doesn’t answer for why if he’s changed, he’s never acknowledged or shown remorse.
Be a team. Be the most excited to play. Be the best at doing your @#&$ing job.
To be fair...
there is no way his father’s lawyers are going to allow him to acknowledge any wrong-doing while Leach has the lawsuits still pending.
by RedRaiderForLife95 on Nov 1, 2011 11:42 PM CDT up reply actions
Reasonable
yes maybe but if your a new staff coming in wouldnt you give eveyone the benefit of a clean slate, just like you would expect the players to give you. New rules, New Game, and no doubt that Tommy has a higher expectation of mutual respect than ML and the pirate theme.
We have already seen that with the suspensions of really great players, I so I really doubt that Tubs is intemidated by #82
College Football: "Our Traditions are now for Sale"
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Hey Tubs this is the Wild West, Good guys wear white, we wear BLACK. ....................................................................................................................................
speaking of the game this week, is it on real TV or
the invisible Longhorn Network?
"As we continue to merely "talk about championships""
Perhaps there are othr factors we haven't considered...
Such as other private team meetings. I’m just saying, what if #82 hasn’t publically apologized, but has privately apologized to the team. Frankly, I feel the team would respond more positively to a personal apology than a public apology. Either way, if the kid scores touchdowns then he’s doing more for this team than any of us.
Wreck ’Em!
"Whether or not what we experienced was an According to Hoyle miracle is insignificant. What is significant is that I felt the touch of God. God got involved." - Jules Winfield
The team's view of James is irrelevant to me
My view of James is based on what he said in the depositions, the video he made & his actions – or lack thereof at the time. I hope he has changed or he is going to have an even tougher road ahead of him.
But he hasn’t shown me anything that leads me to believe that there has been personal growth. I do agree with Seth that James will probably never speak out on the subject so we’ll never really know. But I’m not going to just take someone else’s word for it – the price James has made us all pay was too high. He made his bed he can lie in it (see what I did there?).
Be the kind of woman that when your feet hit the floor each morning the devil says, "oh crap, she's up".
WE NEED TO STOP THAT CHARLES BROWN
"Running in place will never get you the same results as running from a lion."
- most interesting man in the world
When he goes to kick the ball, just pull it away and he will fall down.
"As we continue to merely "talk about championships""
by blackbeard on Nov 1, 2011 8:33 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
We'll just have to send in Pig-Pen
"Running in place will never get you the same results as running from a lion."
- most interesting man in the world
Must have watched the Great Pumpkin before the presser...
IMWTx
"We thought we were too good to play Texas f-ing A&M. Now how in the F can that be?" ML
by imisswesttexas on Nov 1, 2011 9:22 AM CDT up reply actions
Emotion
Tuberville needs to work on this. A big part of what this team suffers from is IMO the metal aspects of football. These guys should have been a whole lot more fired up for IS after the OU win. I saw a team that had emotion in the OU game but that stayed in Norman and didn’t make it back to Lubbock. Young or not this defense needs to think they have a fighting chance and play like it. The coaches need to instill that in these players. Missing assignments this late in the season is no excuse. The undersized athletes need to play like little giants if they want to beat Texas. Corker at corner has me concerned but maybe he’s the spark that we need.
"You've got to find your inner pirate" - Mike Leach
I’m glad Corker is looking at this with an open mind, and I agree with you that maybe he will have that spark and leadership ability that this defense needs. NFL corners make some big $$$ too.
I think this emotion and leadership is what is plaguing this team, look back at our best years 08, 05. Those teams were deep with upper classman talent and leadership. Our coaches need to help spark this in the team.
completely agree
I believe Tubs said something to the effect of “he saw this coming based on practices during the week.” The number 1 topic on Sunday after the OU game should have been you better get your asses ready to play IS this week! That takes ownership from the top all the way down.
No excuse to have a bad WEEK of practice. A bad DAY, I can understand. But not a bad week. If he saw this coming, it should have been addressed on Tuesday or Wednesday before the game.
IMWTx
"We thought we were too good to play Texas f-ing A&M. Now how in the F can that be?" ML
by imisswesttexas on Nov 1, 2011 9:26 AM CDT up reply actions
Yeah, I had a hard time understanding the, "I saw this coming during practice this week" line.
If you see it coming, do something about it. It’s not like ISU was an F5 twister that all you could was get out of the way.
"They challenged us. They said, 'Here, try to run past us, try to run inside us.' And they were better at preventing that than we were throwing and catching it." --Mike Leach
+1
Ridiculous thing for a real coach in Div-1 football to say. You’re either coaching it or letting it happen. He let it happen last week.
Be a team. Be the most excited to play. Be the best at doing your @#&$ing job.
Might be...
but many coaches fall on their swords when their teams have a bad week. Stoops mentioned about the same thing after the Tech game.
Guns Up!
Good Write Up
I 100% agree that you have to have some balance with offense and defense. There will be games when the opponent has the athletes or plan to stop / slowdown any offense and therefore you need another element of your game to step up and provide any opportunity to stay in the game / win. We have seen first hand that we can win the majority of games with a “we will just outscore you” offense, but when we encounter teams with superior athletes playing defense we fall short. In those games it would be nice to be able to stay in the game with a solid defense.
In regard to AJ, I wish people would move on. It is apparent the coaches and players have accepted him and the fans should to. Your comment about the only way most fans would know him is what they read on the internet or form opinions based on 3rd party facts is true. The coaches and players are around him daily.
Me neither
He was a POS before he ever left for college, he’ll be a POS until the day he’s laid low.
I’m not asking people to accept him, but what I am asking is that we acknowledge that Doege has said for two straight weeks that James is an emotional leader of this team. I’ve always refrained from people asking that people accept an opinion (i.e., it’s time to move on) but I’m trying to figure out, with the rest of you, why that might be the case and I’m really asking you to ask yourself the same question.
Go Raiders . . .
Double-T Nation
Yep, and Doege tried to force three passess to Nancy.
Maybe if he would focus on open receivers the offesne could get going.
I am Doege about Doege, but this crap about Nancy being a leader is crap. If you have to be told he’s a leader, then he’s not.
Leader 101
"I feel sorry for the guys," Tech head coach Tommy Tuberville said. "They fought hard tonight. We didn't look good on offense or defense at times, and at times we looked pretty good. It's just, I don't know. Weird game.
I don’t think he’s being told that James is a leader, at least I haven’t read that Doege is being told to say that, but this is Doege on his own saying this and you can choose to believe him or not.
Go Raiders . . .
Double-T Nation
I choose to believe that Doege said that, but I also choose to believe that Nanc is not a leader.
Why would Deoge say that. Why is he forcing passes to Nancy all of a sudden. If Nancy is our go to gal, then Tubby is right, unless our Defense out scores our offense, we are not going to win any more games.
"I feel sorry for the guys," Tech head coach Tommy Tuberville said. "They fought hard tonight. We didn't look good on offense or defense at times, and at times we looked pretty good. It's just, I don't know. Weird game.
Let's dont forget the fact that any of the 3 of us could be just as good at TE
if not better. There is no reason for him to be playing collegiate football.
Remember the love Tubby showed Amaro on signing day;
He said that Amaro would be the first guy off the buss with him, or was it first on the bus. At any rate, what happend to all the love.
Nancy is not in out top 10 receivers.
"I feel sorry for the guys," Tech head coach Tommy Tuberville said. "They fought hard tonight. We didn't look good on offense or defense at times, and at times we looked pretty good. It's just, I don't know. Weird game.
Amaro
Really not sure why Tuberville burned that kid’s redshirt either. Kind of seems like a waste.
"You've got to find your inner pirate" - Mike Leach
yep
but Amaro was also in the dog house part of this year. I remember him saying something on twitter about it. So, that could be a possibility as to why we haven’t seen him.
Texas Tech Defense..."60% of the time it works every time."
by I bleed Red and Black on Nov 1, 2011 11:24 AM CDT up reply actions
If I were tubs, I would do a couple of things
If for whatever reason I was refusing to play Amaro, I would at least put Torres in the TE spot over the middle.
I would also have my ears worked on, but that is another story.
I would never, never make any reference to nancy
I would just say we are growing, and ask the fan base to be patient.
"As we continue to merely "talk about championships""
We are on the same page, I suggest earlier in the year about Torres.
I have met him in person a few times. He is much bigger than what the program says. Plus, he is a team player.
"I feel sorry for the guys," Tech head coach Tommy Tuberville said. "They fought hard tonight. We didn't look good on offense or defense at times, and at times we looked pretty good. It's just, I don't know. Weird game.
I would have to say that the fact that Torres has not come out and called out Doege for being a liar about
James’ leadership qualities automatically disqualifies him as well right? Shoot the whole freaking team should be cut for not calling out Doege on this leadership “BS”!
"Again, once you employ childish language..(even when camouflaged behind parentheses)….the balance of your post is easily ignored. At that point, the impression is you are more interested in hurling invective than seriously contributing to the discourse." - ForestFlyer
I said I would replace nancy with Torres........
nothing about calling out Doege……………….just that Torres is a much better reciever.
"As we continue to merely "talk about championships""
Maybe he is a team leader
I don’t know. But it doesn’t change my view of him.
Be the kind of woman that when your feet hit the floor each morning the devil says, "oh crap, she's up".
...James is an emotional leader of this team...
…because he is a senior on a struggling team and he knows he can play it for all it’s worth. He had something to gain from framing Leach and he has something to gain from playing ball with Tuberville. Taking advantage of an opportunity is something he learned from his “Dad”.
I’m glad he is producing for the team. They need all the help they can get. But why didn’t he do it for Leach too instead busting doors?
This is one part of the Leach era that I will be glad to see gone.
by Llanonite on Nov 1, 2011 10:03 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
I agree....
I’ve made a policy of not mentioning the younger James’ name in posts. There are bigger fish to fry. However, I can hardly give the young man credit for doing what’s in his own best interest. Nothing’s changed on that front.
Let me rephrase that
Taking advantage of his position is something he learned from his “Dad”.
nothing sexist about it
since I have one myself. And I knew better than to respond to you, yet here I am again. Shame on me.
Missed this too. Would be best if we don’t have this conversation and end it here.
Go Raiders . . .
Double-T Nation
Maybe all the players wanted Leach gone?
maybe they liked what Nancy did. These are still young kids. I really hope not!
Kind of like that evil boss that holds you accountable and makes you earn your paycheck. Yeah, gotta hate someone like that.
Simple rule of thumb: Everything before the but is BS.
by FriscoRaider on Nov 1, 2011 10:09 AM CDT up reply actions
No
Do you rely on other people’s viewpoints to form your opinion on other people all the time? Not being sarcastic here. I’m not going to blindly swallow what is being fed to me. I don’t know if it’s true or not.
Be the kind of woman that when your feet hit the floor each morning the devil says, "oh crap, she's up".
Leadership is missing on this team.
I am not criticizing any players. But good teams are teams that have multiple leaders on each side of the ball AND on special teams. Sometimes leaders emerge because no one else steps up. Other times they are just so talented and solid in the work ethic that others emulate them. No matter what, we need a leader by word and deed and workout ethic and mental prep for the game. We need one in the secondary, one at LB, one or two on the D-line, two-three on the O-line (center is critical), the QB, one RB and at least one receiver. Time for the players to grow into leaders. Until that happens, the coaches words will not stick. When players talk and act like coaches, other players listen.
Some of the older guys got benched for younger faster kids, Im guessing that there were a few leaders among that group. Check out the rooster lots of prior starters didnt graduate they are just on the sidelines. Especially on defense
College Football: "Our Traditions are now for Sale"
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Hey Tubs this is the Wild West, Good guys wear white, we wear BLACK. ....................................................................................................................................
Defense
A new system two years in row is the main problem. The 4-2-5 is a “new” scheme. It is going to take time (2-3 years). It is very hard to watch right now, but we can’t keep changing our defensive scheme every year or two.
+1
And New recruits need time to Develop, physically and experience.
I know in 2-3 Years Dees and those other linebackers will be scary when they get bigger, stonger, faster.
"Running in place will never get you the same results as running from a lion."
- most interesting man in the world
If that happens...
If Dees and those other linebackers stick around. No guarantee that’s gonna happen. Although they might be hell on wheels if they do.
I agree to a point but it’s not just the scheme where problems are present. We have guys that lack simple fundementals for tackling and technique. Those are things taught back as far as Junior High. The scheme does play into the mess we have but it’s also a simpler and better scheme to understand than the 3-4 we had last season IMO. Also, these guys understood the scheme pretty well against OU.
"You've got to find your inner pirate" - Mike Leach
The fundementals
are lacking I agree. I just think they are so confused they cant concentrate on fundementals. I understand the 4-3, but I don not fully grasp the player responsibilites in the 4-2-5. More comfort = more confidence = beter fundementals (i hope).
it is still
tackle the fucker with the ball and if you can’t decide who has it ….tackle them all and sort it out later.
"As we continue to merely "talk about championships""
Remember
It’s a new defense three years in a row.
2009 was 4 – 3
2010 was 3 – 4
2011 is 4 – 2 – 5
Our defense better be ready because
UT’s Fozzy

is a bad man….
"Again, once you employ childish language..(even when camouflaged behind parentheses)….the balance of your post is easily ignored. At that point, the impression is you are more interested in hurling invective than seriously contributing to the discourse." - ForestFlyer
Adam James
The facts are out there. I don’t give AJ a pass on this at all. However, 99% of my dislike and displeasure are directed at Craig James and the Administration. They were the adults (or should have been) in all of this and should know better.
My opinion is AJ is the kid who told a lie and went with it, but then the lie got out of hand and turned into so much more than he ever thought it might. He has some ownership in all of this, but at least he came clean in his deposition.
Frankly, as fans we don’t see what goes on in the locker room and during the offseason. It’s entirely possible he had a come to Jesus conversation with CTT and Tubs made it clear his entitled attitude and antics wouldn’t be tolerated. Whatever the case, it seems this kid had earned Doege’s respect as well as respect from Torres. I’m sure we all were different people when we were Seniors vs. Freshman/Soph in college as well.
Bottomline, I won’t be cheering for him, but I won’t boo him either. I say instead of boo’ing AJ, the crowd should break out in a “Craig James Sucks” chant on senior night. But my preference would be to just not do anything. Not saying anything says a lot.
IMWTx
"We thought we were too good to play Texas f-ing A&M. Now how in the F can that be?" ML
I think the whole stadium should stand up and shout over and over
Nancy James, Nancy James, Nancy James.
"I feel sorry for the guys," Tech head coach Tommy Tuberville said. "They fought hard tonight. We didn't look good on offense or defense at times, and at times we looked pretty good. It's just, I don't know. Weird game.
Name Calling
Seth,
I think its about time to add “Nancy” to our name calling list. Adds nothing to the conversation and its elimination would only cause a problem to about 6 posters.
Nancy is the re idnetification of a persons name and is not name calling.
"I feel sorry for the guys," Tech head coach Tommy Tuberville said. "They fought hard tonight. We didn't look good on offense or defense at times, and at times we looked pretty good. It's just, I don't know. Weird game.
JB
How could you try to introduce anything rational into this conversation?
On this topic, the rules go out the window.
"Again, once you employ childish language..(even when camouflaged behind parentheses)….the balance of your post is easily ignored. At that point, the impression is you are more interested in hurling invective than seriously contributing to the discourse." - ForestFlyer
I like all your generalizations
If anyone on here disagrees with you and has their own opinion different than yours then they are petty, uninformed, ignorant, mean, mentally unable to grasp reality, and just flat out wrong. Have you thought for just one second that maybe many of us are actually smart, independent thinkers, not sheeple, and call a spade a spade? Just curious…
I don't guess I see where you read that in any of my posts
I disagree with some of these posts but no where am I calling on anyone to think like me. I have my own opinions and I express them. If they differ with someone else’s then so be it. I don’t expect to convert anyone on here, but I don’t see where posting my own opinions is prohibited.
"Again, once you employ childish language..(even when camouflaged behind parentheses)….the balance of your post is easily ignored. At that point, the impression is you are more interested in hurling invective than seriously contributing to the discourse." - ForestFlyer
Yay for group think!
Something tells me that other than being a fellow Red Raider there’s probably not much else I would have in common with either of you. That’s the beauty of this site. Some are in my group and some aren’t. Group think much? Enjoy the kook-aid. I can tell it’s overly sweet these days.
I'm Sure "kook" was a typo
It being at least a mildly pejorative term.
And if I’m in a group here it’s an awfully small one which is fine. I’m not all that much into the vitriol and invective.
If you have too many opinions its just a waste of time
"I feel sorry for the guys," Tech head coach Tommy Tuberville said. "They fought hard tonight. We didn't look good on offense or defense at times, and at times we looked pretty good. It's just, I don't know. Weird game.
Perspective is a beautiful thing
Your vitriol and invective = what I consider reality and calling a spade a spade. Funny how that happens but it’s a great thing.
Perspective Is Wonderful
Which is why, at least over time, I try to take a step back. To gain perspective don’t you know.
Which is maybe why I’m not comfortable with a single broad brush in dealing with this ongoing soap opera.
Perspective is probably also why I didn’t start planning for a conference championship last week and why I"m not throwing in the towel and moaning about no bowl game his week.
Let Me Share One Of My Favorite Quotes With You
“A difference of opinion doesn’t make the other fellow wrong.”
Clarence Darrow
Just kidding!!
I agree with your quote. But I am normal…this is just an outlet for my frustrations with Tech football.
There Really Are Not A Lot Of People On This Board
For which “normal” could be a descriptive term.
Nancy’s on the team. Craig’s not. I’m sure there are other less-than-steller guys on the team, but I doubt any of them were the willing sleeper cell of ESPN. James’ presence on the team is like a splinter a lot of fans can’t get out for basically that reason. Not because he’s an average player or because he may or may not be an emotional leader. Once Nancy is gone and Tuberville stops taking pot shots at teams that were a lot better than what he’s fielding lately I’ll be happy. I want Tuberville and the team to succeed.. mostly I just want to see a lot of incompetence go away and for us to be capable of playing solid football. There are just moments over the last two years where you just scratch your head.
Also, if James is such a great emotional leader, where was he Saturday? Isn’t a game like that where you need leaders? I remember some leaders who got us back in games and didn’t let the team quit when we were down. IMO, we need more of those guys, and less of whatever kind of leader James happens to be.
Be a team. Be the most excited to play. Be the best at doing your @#&$ing job.
We have sleeper cells now
"I feel sorry for the guys," Tech head coach Tommy Tuberville said. "They fought hard tonight. We didn't look good on offense or defense at times, and at times we looked pretty good. It's just, I don't know. Weird game.
We are gonna get destroyed by the university of texas this weekend
I think, looking at the entire body of work this season, this is the only reasonable outcome. Thinking and re-watching the OU upset (our shining moment this year)
- Neal Brown called a hell of a game, cant take that away from him. Doege made some amazing throws and was on fire.
- Our offensive line played their best game of the year. Dont know why they dont show up from week to week, but if NB keeps calling that draw play 40% of the time the O-line really needs to show up for that play to work, and it did vs OU.
- OU was sleepwalking. I dont know if it was the weather or fat little girlfriends but OU gave a F- effort in that game, on both sides of the ball. When you look at what they did to K-state last week, thats the only explanation. They actually shifted into gear towards the end of the game and probably would have beat us if not for the missed field goals. I saw a stat that in Bob Stoops’ 3 losses at home they were all 3 to a team that ran a 4-2-5 defense. It couldnt have been a more perfect scenario for Tech. Also, they had no simblance of a running game that night so Tech didnt have to worry about stopping the run. Texas will run, run, run, and run somemore. Fozzy W, Malcom Brown, Cody Johnson, take your pick. It aint gonna be pretty. Some may say Texas QB’s suck. Well, they do, but Tech defense didnt have any problems twice this year letting 2 freshman QB’s tea bag them at home.
- So lets call the OU win, what it was, an upset, not the norm if both teams were on a neutral field playing that game again 10 times
Texas had no problems whatsover with Iowas St on the road. Texas has rediscovered their running game. In the game last year everyone was super fired up, we had garrett gilbert in our home stadium, and we still lost by 10 points. Their offensive coordinator has 8 weeks worth of tape on how to exploit our shitty defense. Their stregnth on defense is the secondary, that was OU’s weakness. Texas runs it up on us. Never been more sure of anything. I will eat crow all day sunday if any other outcome occurs.
Ignoring any and everything #82. 5 (silver lining if we dont make a bowl game, its only 4 more) more games and it’s gone……
"Odds are its something simple" - @Coach_Leach
Man Neo
Your right, could you drive up to Norman and give back that un-earned W. You seem to be the person for the job.
"Again, once you employ childish language..(even when camouflaged behind parentheses)….the balance of your post is easily ignored. At that point, the impression is you are more interested in hurling invective than seriously contributing to the discourse." - ForestFlyer
Didnt say Tech didnt deserve the win
I was trying to put the win in context. Jesus.
"Odds are its something simple" - @Coach_Leach
yea, but . . .
I would trade our upset win in Norman for a “should of” win against the cyclones. This inconsistency is only good for fueling the blogs. The only way I can laugh about our inconsistency is if we beat the horns, and thus gain Ws over both OU and UT for the first time. If that happens, then this season will not be a total loss.
by Nm RaiDer FAn on Nov 2, 2011 11:15 AM CDT up reply actions
You're almost never as good as your best win or as bad as your worst loss.
Texas is not a great team. We’ll be on the rebound. No way it’s a blow out.
Be a team. Be the most excited to play. Be the best at doing your @#&$ing job.
The only thing I am sure of is that I am not sure of anyting at all
"I feel sorry for the guys," Tech head coach Tommy Tuberville said. "They fought hard tonight. We didn't look good on offense or defense at times, and at times we looked pretty good. It's just, I don't know. Weird game.
Agree I dont see any train wreck just a bone crusher event with way too much referee injects..
.. It’s the type game where two or three folks get their heads taken off. The despicable, entitled, self aborbed, dollar store fans who like traffic cone orange as a fashion statement will wail. Whoever is holding the ball in the final 5 minutes wins this one. With 2 time outs too I might add. Both teams are wildly inconsistent. I smell fun.
"do routine things routinely"
Yes I'm looking forward to this because my expectations. My expectations are somewhat low, so I feel like I can just relax and watch.
Be a team. Be the most excited to play. Be the best at doing your @#&$ing job.
we have an edit button
"I feel sorry for the guys," Tech head coach Tommy Tuberville said. "They fought hard tonight. We didn't look good on offense or defense at times, and at times we looked pretty good. It's just, I don't know. Weird game.
I smell morning beer
but that’s what 11 AM kickoffs are for, unless I pickup some makers mark. Then it’ll smell like whiskey.
i like lose women
The only solution
Is for us to be more like dogs. We don’t need no kitty cats. We need to be more like dogs.
by Remington870 on Nov 1, 2011 9:58 AM CDT via mobile reply actions
meeeoowww, meeeooowww. Lets all suckle from the Tubberville championship teet
"Odds are its something simple" - @Coach_Leach
Your post reminded of a song I heard today
"Again, once you employ childish language..(even when camouflaged behind parentheses)….the balance of your post is easily ignored. At that point, the impression is you are more interested in hurling invective than seriously contributing to the discourse." - ForestFlyer
Does anyone really believe he didn't get some of that SMU payola?
Proud of your offense? Manny badger don't give a shit!
Absolutely
And Saturday night didn’t happen either:) It was all a bad dream for the entire Raider nation.
Well, it should then indicate his moral compass in relation to Leach
But he was a helluva wishbone HB at Stratford HS.
Proud of your offense? Manny badger don't give a shit!
what brings you to these parts SA?
There is little doubt that James got cashola while killing hookers at SMU. CJ was a real estate broker in Dallas during the 80’s. He hung his license with Sherwood Blount Realtors…enough said.
"Fill it up again". "It's so good! Once it hits your lips it's so good!" -Frank the Tank
Aw, I like the Techies.
And it is TTU week for us and I like to jack with Tech fans – they are so passionate.
And they HATE UT – don’t you find that surprising? :-)
Proud of your offense? Manny badger don't give a shit!
Personally, I think we hate Aggies much more than Longhorns, but now that they are leaving you guys might just bump up on the list. Congrats!
Simple rule of thumb: Everything before the but is BS.
This is true. The aggies will have themselves to hate once they enter the SEC.
"You've got to find your inner pirate" - Mike Leach
LOL - I am dying to hear what happens to aggys...
…when they do that “stand up, the whole game” crap in front of a bunch of double digit IQ, red neck Bama fans.
Proud of your offense? Manny badger don't give a shit!
It won’t take long I can assure of that. They are already having buyers remorse from what I’m hearing among older aggies. Don’t give in to them on Thanksgiving game either!
"You've got to find your inner pirate" - Mike Leach
Thanksgiving game? Screw 'em!
Why should ANY of the Big XII schools schedule them – in any sport?
They are the ones that wanted a divorce.
“By-the-way, honey, I’m running off with my boyfriend I have been having an affair with. Are we still going to the movies Friday?”
Yeah, right!
Don’t get me started. Why should any of the Big XII teams give the aggys recruting exposure – not to mention the revenues from playing them?
Proud of your offense? Manny badger don't give a shit!
see............with the teasips..............
it’s all about the revenue………………….next they will want their own TV show………..oh wait.
"As we continue to merely "talk about championships""
We quit sipping tea decades ago, although I like a Long Island tea now and then.
Proud of your offense? Manny badger don't give a shit!
This we can agree on.
Lets let the aggies blaze their own trail without the aid of any existing Big 12 schools.
"You've got to find your inner pirate" - Mike Leach
Blaze
Gonja is the only good thing to come out of austin
"As we continue to merely "talk about championships""
what's worse
living in austin with all the longhorns or having two aggie brother-in-laws? i have both. Thankfull the wife was wise and is a red raider. :)
Texas Tech Defense..."60% of the time it works every time."
by I bleed Red and Black on Nov 1, 2011 2:53 PM CDT up reply actions
Don't often agree with a Horn fan...
But I’m dying to see that happen too. Aggies will freak out seeing all those “double digit IQ, redneck Bama fans” (Great quote!) Be like “Ma, these folks is phumb SCARY!”
The aggys
already hate themselves. Example—“Beergut:”.
by Red and Black 71 on Nov 1, 2011 3:54 PM CDT up reply actions
my hate has grown since living and working in austin now...
i can’t turn a freaking corner without seeing burnt orange. I feel like Sparta kicking my car door sometimes when i get home.
Texas Tech Defense..."60% of the time it works every time."
by I bleed Red and Black on Nov 1, 2011 2:24 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
True but most of those folks never went to college anywhere, so it is a lot easier to just ignore them.
Simple rule of thumb: Everything before the but is BS.
Oh, I went to college there alright.
And I be havin me three of dem degree things.
But, at least, we have never had one of those hellacious sand storms that Lubbock has every other year. I got the front end of a very nice Cadillac sanded to the base metal one time in your fair city. All of you owe me!
Proud of your offense? Manny badger don't give a shit!
Spoken like a true Longhorn
Couldn’t just say you went to UT, got a degree & had the front end of a car “sanded to the base metal”…had to say “three” degrees & “a very nice Cadillac”…
Always intrigues me how longhorns need to show off their goods…wait…maybe it’s overcompensating for a lack of goods???
Be the kind of woman that when your feet hit the floor each morning the devil says, "oh crap, she's up".
oh no she di’int..
"Trust your gut....mine always finds good Mexican food"
-Me
by oldschoolraider on Nov 1, 2011 3:15 PM CDT up reply actions
that's what she said
Be the kind of woman that when your feet hit the floor each morning the devil says, "oh crap, she's up".
Probably another one tomarrow.
Whatever. Just swept my porch off from the last one, too.
That's funny!
My uncle in San Angelo had a saying about that. He called the local drugstore cowboys “Tom Green County Cowboys”, because of their big belt buckles—the bigger the belt buckle, the smaller what was under it!
LOL - Like greed, Austin is good.
You are a lucky man to be able to make a living in Austin. I grew up in the Brykerwoods addition and the house I grew up in cost my parents $7500 – it sold last year for $375,000. Can you believe it?
Proud of your offense? Manny badger don't give a shit!
man I believe it!
we bought a house in Cedar Park and can’t believe how much that place is booming…and just to mess with my neighbors i changed my wireless internet name to Texas Tech…even inspired a neighbor to change to change his wireless to Longhorns. :)
Texas Tech Defense..."60% of the time it works every time."
by I bleed Red and Black on Nov 1, 2011 2:31 PM CDT up reply actions
All of you owe me?
How many sons does Craig James have?
"Trust your gut....mine always finds good Mexican food"
-Me
by oldschoolraider on Nov 1, 2011 2:35 PM CDT up reply actions
LOL, Godalmighty - Now this was good. Well Played!
Proud of your offense? Manny badger don't give a shit!
See why I like Techies?
Passionate they be.
Go to Scholtz’s Berr Garten Fiday nite, before the game. The beers on me, ask for Dr. Bill.
Be warned. I intend to seriously trash Texas Tech for the dirty low down dogs they are! That is the penalty for me buying the beer – tough darts!
http://www.scholzgarten.net/
Proud of your offense? Manny badger don't give a shit!
damn
Berr = BEER
Fiday = Friday
No, I haven’t stated drinking already
Proud of your offense? Manny badger don't give a shit!
HEY EVERYONE FREE BEER!!!!
sorry couldn’t resist….
Texas Tech Defense..."60% of the time it works every time."
by I bleed Red and Black on Nov 1, 2011 3:09 PM CDT up reply actions
$$$$$$ again!
Be the kind of woman that when your feet hit the floor each morning the devil says, "oh crap, she's up".
Whew, Austin, Tx, you're a flaming liberal, right?
Need to borrow a few bucks?
Proud of your offense? Manny badger don't give a shit!
Nah...just secure
Be the kind of woman that when your feet hit the floor each morning the devil says, "oh crap, she's up".
Glad to hear it - how about loaning me a few then?
Proud of your offense? Manny badger don't give a shit!
I'll need you to grovel first, publicly.
Be the kind of woman that when your feet hit the floor each morning the devil says, "oh crap, she's up".
Not at all
Just ask the men on this site. I’m an arrogance hater.
Be the kind of woman that when your feet hit the floor each morning the devil says, "oh crap, she's up".
Could have fooled me - especially with that sig line
Proud of your offense? Manny badger don't give a shit!
intimidated by strong women i see
Be the kind of woman that when your feet hit the floor each morning the devil says, "oh crap, she's up".
Is that what you are? Kind of an arrogant attitude, don't you think?
Proud of your offense? Manny badger don't give a shit!
Just having fun getting your goat
Be the kind of woman that when your feet hit the floor each morning the devil says, "oh crap, she's up".
Joking about their goats...
Aggie rage is building….
Be a team. Be the most excited to play. Be the best at doing your @#&$ing job.
No he is a Thorn.
"I feel sorry for the guys," Tech head coach Tommy Tuberville said. "They fought hard tonight. We didn't look good on offense or defense at times, and at times we looked pretty good. It's just, I don't know. Weird game.
LOL - well you were successful and, if you really live in Austin, you are invited for a beer as well
Proud of your offense? Manny badger don't give a shit!
Looks like all is handled.
"I feel sorry for the guys," Tech head coach Tommy Tuberville said. "They fought hard tonight. We didn't look good on offense or defense at times, and at times we looked pretty good. It's just, I don't know. Weird game.
only if they beat me in arm wrestling.
Texas Tech Defense..."60% of the time it works every time."
by I bleed Red and Black on Nov 1, 2011 4:05 PM CDT up reply actions
thanks for the spirited rapartee, Snide...do drop in again after the another home loss on Saturday
secret weapon…McRoy…he’s not slow like a jackrabbit…he’s due to bust out
"Fill it up again". "It's so good! Once it hits your lips it's so good!" -Frank the Tank
We shall see, my friend.
It all depends who shows up for either team. Regardless, I will be here – win or lose.
Furthermore, if we lose, I will grovel publically for “Austin, Tx.”.
However, if we win, will she grovel publically for ME? (Not to worry, AT, I’m an old school Texan – we don’t debase women – ever!)
But you damn well will owe me a beer!
Proud of your offense? Manny badger don't give a shit!
No public groveling necessary
the win will be enough, but I do appreciate the offer.
Under no circumstances will I grovel publicly or otherwise for you or anyone else (okay, possibly for Matt Damon…seriously, how cute is he?!)
Well now that I think about it, I might consider it for RdrPwr too – I can’t help it – he reminds me of myself at his age so I guess it would be like self-groveling – is that wrong?
Be the kind of woman that when your feet hit the floor each morning the devil says, "oh crap, she's up".
oh well, McRoy not making the trip...I guess it's the horns in a walk
insert Bradley Marquez…game back on…
"Fill it up again". "It's so good! Once it hits your lips it's so good!" -Frank the Tank
I agree with
Btech …. there is something more going on here. It’s physiological. There is no ‘team’.
It sounds to me like
the players could give two sh**s what the fans think or who the fans think should be out front. None of us have anything resembling close access to the locker room. Maybe, just maybe, James has matured and grown. I know some of you won’t buy that until he provides a mea culpa you’re satisfied with (which won’t happen). After all, it’s not like it’s extremely uncommon for people to have a fairly large jump in attitude and maturity in their early 20s.
Not defending the kid at all, but it seems to me there is ginormous disconnect between how his peers see him and how the majority of folks on DTN see him.
It sounds to me like
some of the fans could give two sh**ts about what the players think or who the players think should be out front.
Be the kind of woman that when your feet hit the floor each morning the devil says, "oh crap, she's up".
The same group of players that currently backs James...
was the same group that turned on the Captain. Do they like James? Or does James just represent “moving on”, “not Leach”, “live in the now”, “let the past be the past”? I could see the team rallying around James for this reason.
I don’t think they care about basically any opinion any fans have about the team. That doesn’t seem to stop anyone from having diverging opinions though.
If James’ opinion is that he has nothing to be sorry for then I don’t think he’s grown up enough, and I’ll just be happy when he’s gone.
Be a team. Be the most excited to play. Be the best at doing your @#&$ing job.
when is he gonna pay for the door?
"As we continue to merely "talk about championships""
by blackbeard on Nov 2, 2011 7:24 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
A handfull of players
Do not represent the whole team. There were multiple players and player parents who came out in favor of Leach. 3-4 players hand selected by TTU/the AJ/ESPN to give their toughts on James vs Leach does not represent the whole team. I know many players resented James not only for the firing of James but also the loss of Ruff and other well liked coaches.
Please don’t buy into this “he is a tough kid crap” or “team leader” that is coming out of Tubs and Don William’s mouth.
Yet another thing that makes me go hmmm ...
Tubs says that this team is not good enough to play without emotion. Who is good enough to play without emotion? Please help them, Tubs. This is where your vaunted championship resume would come in handy. Teach these kids how to play consistent and be emotional at the same time.
Saban can do it, so can you.
It's all part of the learning experience.
It is clear that under Tubby they have to self medicate, I mean self motivate.
"I feel sorry for the guys," Tech head coach Tommy Tuberville said. "They fought hard tonight. We didn't look good on offense or defense at times, and at times we looked pretty good. It's just, I don't know. Weird game.
I don’t necessarily agree…I just think its more corporate. Almost any leadership style can work, if you know what type of person to add to the team. Identity.
"Trust your gut....mine always finds good Mexican food"
-Me
by oldschoolraider on Nov 1, 2011 10:44 AM CDT via iPhone app up reply actions
In Tubby's case it is 5 star atheltes so he does not have to coach.
In our case, it’s 3 and a few 4 star athletes that want to be coached.
"I feel sorry for the guys," Tech head coach Tommy Tuberville said. "They fought hard tonight. We didn't look good on offense or defense at times, and at times we looked pretty good. It's just, I don't know. Weird game.
Totally agree about leadership style ...
there are definitely a couple of links missing … and as CEO it is his responsibility to fix it.
by Arizona Raider on Nov 1, 2011 11:21 AM CDT up reply actions
"In Tubby's case..."
So he doesn’t have to coach….boy, NO KIDDING!
LSU and Bama
Because when the starters show no emotion they are benched for the next guy or the next guy that is better than most teams starters.
I’m still too numb to get into the same 82 conversation. My only thought is where is that nfl looking body that dons the #22. A big tight end is a qb’s best friend, and could have helped especially against ksu and isu.
I find it appropriate that 82 is being called the emotional leader….and that really is my biggest problem with this team and hc for two years (they are flatliners for the most part).
"Trust your gut....mine always finds good Mexican food"
-Me
by oldschoolraider on Nov 1, 2011 10:27 AM CDT via iPhone app reply actions
My (worthless) thoughts
Adam James: I don’t care one way or another. The crap he pulled a few years back with the closet video was complete BS, and I lost interest in him at that point. If he plays and makes plays, great. If he sits the pine, great. If he’s playing, I’m pulling for him to make plays and be useful. It’s hard for me to watch anyone be booed by their home crowd, but I can’t tell people how to react.
Team Leaders: This starts with the coaches. They set the tone for the team. When I look at Tuberville, I just don’t see emotion there. His affect is so flat. There have only been a few times I’ve seen when really bad calls have gotten him fired up to the point that he put his hands out from his sides or weakly argued with the ref. I think there is a lot to be said for being even-keeled and level headed; however, sometimes the team needs to see the coach go bat-sheet freaking nuts about a bad call or see him go ape on a player for a bad performance. Maybe he yells and throws things in the locker room, but I don’t see any of that emotion coming through on the sidelines.
Team Leaders take 2: We really need some players to step up and take a leading role in this team. We need a Baron Batch, Zach Thomas, or Graham Harrell to show up every game. It doesn’t seem they’re not getting a good example from their head coach, but the players need someone to respect and look up to. It helps if those leaders are among the most emotional and hardest playing members of the team. I look at Zach Thomas, and what he lacked in size, he made up for in raw emotion and physical effort. Players looked up to him because of his emotion and his effort. And the emotion and effort lent him success on the field. You need your leaders to be successful. It’s hard to get fired up when your 7th best receiver who has made more bad plays than catches is the emotional leader of the team. Doege needs to step in there. Torres needs to step in there. Eric Stephens need to step in there from the sidelines.
The Rest of the Season: Who knows? It’s not up to us. It’s up to those players who lack leadership on and off the field. Let’s hope they find an identity.
The thing TTU has never had is consistency. We’ve had world-beater offenses. We’ve had (in the distant past) league leading defenses. We’ve never been the team that shows up and plays to their potential week-in and week-out. LSU, Alabama, the national championship OU teams…they show that kind of consistency. Even in “off” games, those at the top of the pile have managed to bring enough to get the job done. That kind of consistency comes from knowing who you are as a team and having leaders to inspire and keep you accountable. I hope TTU is able to develop that some day.
"They challenged us. They said, 'Here, try to run past us, try to run inside us.' And they were better at preventing that than we were throwing and catching it." --Mike Leach
by silver_ on Nov 1, 2011 10:29 AM CDT reply actions 1 recs
I was going to write this, but it just didn’t fit, re. Tuberville showing emotion. That was the one thing about Leach, was that he never showed any emotion on the field, that just wasn’t his style unless he was discussing things with the refs and I don’t think it’s Tuberville style either. It doesn’t bother me that a coach isn’t emotional on the sideline, but I think this is more a reflection of my personality than anything else.
Go Raiders . . .
Double-T Nation
I disagree that mike didn’t show emotion on the field…he didn’t go apeshit but you could see passion.
I use to joke that tommy mcveigh was always holding on to mike after the game to chaperone him…look over his last few years and it definitely appears this to be the case.
I’m shallow…jimmy Johnson was easy for me to follow.
"Trust your gut....mine always finds good Mexican food"
-Me
by oldschoolraider on Nov 1, 2011 10:41 AM CDT via iPhone app up reply actions
I’m not saying that he wasn’t passionate, but he wasn’t animated in any way shape or form and I don’t think that Tuberville is animated either.
Go Raiders . . .
Double-T Nation
I don't
care about being animated…I care about emotion. If a coach has the guys that can win like that (Dungy, etc)….go for it.
"Trust your gut....mine always finds good Mexican food"
-Me
by oldschoolraider on Nov 1, 2011 11:16 AM CDT up reply actions
Okay, but I didn’t say that Leach wasn’t passionate. That’s not what I said, I said he didn’t show any emotion on the sideline and I like that style of calm, cool and collected.
Go Raiders . . .
Double-T Nation
I understand
that is what you said.
"Trust your gut....mine always finds good Mexican food"
-Me
by oldschoolraider on Nov 1, 2011 11:33 AM CDT up reply actions
The KU game in 2008 was one of our roadtrips we went to. We pretty much dominated the first half and were up by 17 or so. I watched Batch, Carter and Duncan dap every player that came out for the 2nd half and they were very animated and over the top. This moment is stuck in my head, and I don’t really care if I get to see if the coach is visibly emotional or not….but somewhere you see it in the players. And yes it did come back and bite us at times with penalties and just being dysfunctional.
"Trust your gut....mine always finds good Mexican food"
-Me
by oldschoolraider on Nov 1, 2011 11:41 AM CDT up reply actions
I was on the sidelines during Leach’s years here, he was passionate and expected nothing less than perfection. I saw him tear into the whole team during a timeout against TCU at the Jones, and I do mean everyone coaches included. Also against UT when they had Vince Young at home. He was all over his defensive coaches and WR coaches because players were not playing up to their potential.
I don’t know what Tubs does on the field or in the locker room, but it doesn’t seem like he says much to the players.
I agree
I may be in the minority here but the Leach I remembered had plenty of emotion on the sidelines and in the locker room thanks to Youtube video. He always has his QB close with one hand on his shoulder reinforcing the plan. At half time he made no excuses as the media tried to talk to him. Leach was into the game and made sure his players stayed up.
"You've got to find your inner pirate" - Mike Leach
Halftime interview...
Yeah we just need to score more points than they do before the clock runs out. Bye.
Those were classic but showed emotion I might add.
"You've got to find your inner pirate" - Mike Leach
Well obviously he was using the "excuse" that we were not scoring enough.
Right?
"Again, once you employ childish language..(even when camouflaged behind parentheses)….the balance of your post is easily ignored. At that point, the impression is you are more interested in hurling invective than seriously contributing to the discourse." - ForestFlyer
No
He was fulfilling his contracted agreement with the tv networks that he would have to say something on the way in at halftime and his way of humoring himself along with the rest of us who could give two shits what the commentators think is to give a smart ass answer. That’s how I saw it.
by TTU '04 on Nov 1, 2011 3:25 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Listen
I think you overreact to what I post. I was be sarcastic. I was only trying to point out that one man’s reason can be another man’s “excuse”. I really was not trying to attack Mike.
"Again, once you employ childish language..(even when camouflaged behind parentheses)….the balance of your post is easily ignored. At that point, the impression is you are more interested in hurling invective than seriously contributing to the discourse." - ForestFlyer
And for the record
I don’t remember very many halftime interviews where we had 7 or less on the board. Just sayin…
Leach was a pretty cool customer
Unless his team was playing like it did last Sat. night. Then the guy huddled up the entire team or units and came unglued. You had to get the kids 50yrds away from that sideline or they were going to pick up some very specific vocabulary
He rarely came unglued on a bad call during a game. I think this was becuase he was the O coord. and was formulating new plays on the fly. He did not have the time to work the refs like Mack Brown. But after some games the guy showed plenty of emotion in the post game conf.
Tubby strikes me as a politician who always tries to say the right thing. Trouble is he consantly ends up contradicting himself
You never witnessed the "come to Leach talks"?
The radio guys always pointed them out. You read the f-bombs coming off his lips if the camera was close enough.
I'm OK with the HC being calm during the game - It's after a loss I want to see him go ballistic
I want to know that he is letting the players know that losing is not an option.
2011 Season - No excuses. Just win!
From what I could tell, I think that coaches essentially have to figure out when they’re going to explode on a team and I generally think that a coach has one bite at the apple each year. A coach has to be careful about when that’s going to happen and think that if you do that each week, then the message gets lost. Leach tended to do that publicly, while I haven’t seen a public outcry from Tuberville yet.
Go Raiders . . .
Double-T Nation
Yep
Accountability. Having a soft locker room will kill a program.
"You've got to find your inner pirate" - Mike Leach
I see what you're saying
I think the thing Leach had going for him was the crazy, kooky, mad-scientist persona. Maybe that helped form his identity to the point that people weren’t really surprised by anything he did or didn’t do. It also helped that, even when down by a lot, you knew he and the players could pull something out of their arse and get a W. So when you saw Leach calm on the sideline when down in a game, you just had this gut feeling that something big was about to happen (and many times it did).
I don’t think Tuberville doesn’t have that. I don’t have much faith that he could come back from two scores down in the 4th quarter and win a game. Therefore, I WANT to see him get fired up if the team isn’t doing well. The poker face doesn’t do it for me.
"They challenged us. They said, 'Here, try to run past us, try to run inside us.' And they were better at preventing that than we were throwing and catching it." --Mike Leach
I gotcha. But as I think back, I never remember coming back from a game thinking that Leach was really animated or emotional during a game. Again, I’m not saying he wasn’t passionate, but I’ve always like a coach that was calm on the sidelines, other than to gripe at a ref for what they think is a bad call. I think that’s normal.
Go Raiders . . .
Double-T Nation
I like a calm coach on the sidelines as well.
Because a calm coach on the sideline is most likely winning the game. I guess for any of us, the thing we want more than anything else (team leaders, animated coaches, good pressers, etc) is for the team to win. After all, we wouldn’t be having any of these discussions if the team was winning.
So, Tubs and team, just win. Win. Win so we don’t have to spend so much time typing when we should be developing neuroscience lectures.
"They challenged us. They said, 'Here, try to run past us, try to run inside us.' And they were better at preventing that than we were throwing and catching it." --Mike Leach
I do recall on several occasions that there were "time-outs" where
the entire team got a “come to Mike” rant.
"As we continue to merely "talk about championships""
I’m not saying that he didn’t get in players’ faces and stuff like that, I just don’t remember him being animated on the sideline.
Go Raiders . . .
Double-T Nation
My favorite?
Dick Winder…..that guy could rip someone up one side and down the other.
"Trust your gut....mine always finds good Mexican food"
-Me
by oldschoolraider on Nov 1, 2011 2:41 PM CDT up reply actions
http://gofrogs.cstv.com/sports/m-footbl/mtt/winder_dick00.html
I guess he’s still at TCU?
Go Raiders . . .
Double-T Nation
whats funny
is that in my mind he used 100% of his timeouts on defense…..thats what it seems like, and always around on the 30 yard line.
"Trust your gut....mine always finds good Mexican food"
-Me
by oldschoolraider on Nov 1, 2011 2:40 PM CDT up reply actions
Oh yes!
Remember him doing that against Les Miles’ last Okie State team in the Jones in 2004. He gave a “Come to Mike” meeting after some poor play—after that, the defense started hitting, OSU started fumbling the ball and we got ahead to stay. result—DECISIVE TECH VICTORY!
I don’t think showing emotion was not in the personality of leach but coach ruff was always pumped up for both offense and defense. I don’t think that there is a someone like coach ruff in this staff. Every time i see glasgow, he is always yelling (for good reasons) there is nobody that celebrate a TD or a turnover with the players like ruff did. I think if you have that person then the emotion is going to be high. we just dont have that person yet.
"You play to win the game. Hello? You play to win the game." Herm Edwards
Reference Baylor halftime talk
We may not have seen a violent outburst but I disagree. He got downright nasty with his players and let them know when they weren’t playing up to their potential. I don’t see that from Tubs. I saw Leach get in the middle of receivers when they would walk off the field if they ran a route wrong or dropped a pass. Tubs gives them a kiss and a pat on the ass.
Right, but I would have never known that Leach gave that speech during the Baylor game by his demeanor on the sideline. And I think that it’s a mis-characterization to say that Tuberville accepts mistakes. I don’t know that he does or doesn’t as I’m not on the sideline.
Go Raiders . . .
Double-T Nation
Agreed
But I do remember Leach getting very animated at certain important times. He picked those situations very carefully but when he did I remember him following refs up and down the sidelines and I also remember him huddling with the offense when the defense was on the field and pointing and yelling. I just don’t see this today.
That’s fine, but I’m saying that I’m not watching him the entire game, so it would be inaccurate for me to think that he’s giving every play a pass that makes a mistake when I’m not watching his interaction with the players during the game.
Go Raiders . . .
Double-T Nation
I agree
with much of this and I think there are two factors:
1)10 years with a coach is easier to read than just the short honeymoon :) we have had with tubs. I use to have a theory that we were about to screw up royally when Spike would rest his hands on his knees in a slouch on the sideline. It amazed my friends when it came true in that last swc game against TCU (acid in stomach just thinking about it).
2)I could only hypothesize about what Leach said at halftime like i can about tubs….but I saw many times where the team came out after halftime like they had been talked to by Matt Foley, motivational speaker. This is superficial as superficial gets….but we won a lot of games in the 2nd half also.
"Trust your gut....mine always finds good Mexican food"
-Me
by oldschoolraider on Nov 1, 2011 2:30 PM CDT up reply actions
" just the short honeymoon "
think Kardashean/Humphries
"As we continue to merely "talk about championships""
my opinion
I can believe that James is an “emotional leader” for a team that is (in the eyes of the fans) underperforming. James has had to deal (and not saying he doesn’t deserve it) with lots of fan anger and acrimony for two full seasons. So I can totally believe the players who haven’t really been the target of such venom very often see him as an example. But that said, whether he adds to the team NOW or not, I agree that he just needs to go away. He is too much of a lightning rod and unless the admin fixes things with Leach (and maybe even then), James is too symbolic of what happened to ever be in the good graces of most fans. Since we’re not performing well, I will be INCREDIBLY glad to turn the page on this season and start next with something closer to a clean slate.
I do sometimes read the press conferences.
But I am rapidly losing interest in Tubs.
Here’s the deal: In the past, he has said some pretty amazing things that people needed to see, to grasp who it was that we were dealing with. By now, the paint on the portrait is dry and it is finished. He has also settled down and even commits to saying reasonable things most of the time.
I also think he is a good person most of the time, and has good values on the face of it anyway. He isn’t a villain. Never attribute to malice…
The thing with Tubs is the time to call for his head has been and gone. The time to lampoon him is mostly over.
At this point, neither would accomplish much and would just be a wasted effort.
(Last night I had a great idea for a funny little sketch between him and Hocutt. The time for it has been and gone, and even if it were funny, another caricature would be just another caricature that would serve no purpose but the funny- and really these days there isn’t anything to laugh about. It would have been totally pointless and out of place. Also, it is wrong to kick a man when he is down when he does not 100% deserve it. Spiteful sarcasm and wit might be good for a laugh, but cheap and empty otherwise these days. Why bother?)
Tubs now pivots around his accomplishments on Saturday’s. This is where he sinks or swims.
We know he is going to say some eye-opening things. We know he is going to say some mature and reasonable things. Whatever. I am tired of talking about him and tired of thinking about him. Yeah, I would say I am tired of him entirely unless he finds a way to win. If he doesn’t, there is too much on the line for him to be here very long.
I disagree with the pessimism that he would be around several years. All those new seats at the Jones and the new parking garage tell me that the stakes are high and success in mandatory real soon now. Money talks more than the supposed ego problems of the admin. He’ll either build his legacy or coach himself out of a job, and that future will be upon us more than soon enough. I hope he does something useful in a consistent way, because another upheaval and a fresh start with a new coach is highly unlikely to be a good thing. Oh well. I have been consistent in saying this for several weeks now.
As for #82 I, I can’t commit to the emotional investment to care much anymore. It’s all been said before, rightly or wrongly. I havn’t participated in those discussions for a while now, really.
Good points
but I think you under estimate the mentality and motives of our Admins. … they are not changing their story. Tubby for 3-4 years of loosing won’t effect them at all. They’ve already gone all in … if burning down the Jones has to happen, they’ll do that do.
would make a fine parking spot for the Phi Delts.............oh wait.
"As we continue to merely "talk about championships""
I approve of this jab with a sharp stick
"Trust your gut....mine always finds good Mexican food"
-Me
by oldschoolraider on Nov 1, 2011 2:36 PM CDT up reply actions
Pay Him
I find it very interesting that James has caught more passes with Leach than Tuberville. Graduate Nancy, don’t vote for his daddy, and pay Mike what is owed. Then Tuberville and team will have a chance with the divided ran base. Hance overreached this time He lost many of us long time fans We didn’t graduate from Tech to learn how to screw others.
From a business standpoint.
If I have a guy on my team that is hurting my business and will hurt my business no matter how hard he tries, then I have to get rid of him. It doesn’t matter if I like him or I think he is a really swell person. He is hurting my business and he needs to go away.
Simple rule of thumb: Everything before the but is BS.
Again, I get what you’re saying, but what I’m trying to express, and perhaps I’m doing a poor job of doing it, is that it appears that maybe the teammates don’t share that sentiment and I’m asking you all if you have any other answers. What you think is great and all, but it doesn’t answer the question if the teammates like that person.
Go Raiders . . .
Double-T Nation
And I am saying that I don’t really think what his teammates think of him matters.
Simple rule of thumb: Everything before the but is BS.
by FriscoRaider on Nov 1, 2011 10:57 AM CDT up reply actions
It only matters if the point that you are trying make is that he has changed. I don’t care if he has changed or not. Add up the positives and the negatives about #82 and in the end there is a deficit.
Simple rule of thumb: Everything before the but is BS.
by FriscoRaider on Nov 1, 2011 11:07 AM CDT up reply actions
with all due respect...
Seth, it really doesn’t. The purpose of the team (for the fans) is one of two things:
-Sell tickets
-Win games
That’s it. This team is failing (not gonna say “has failed”) at #2 and James hurts #1. We can talk all we want about how James “rallies the troops”, but in the end we came out flat against ISU. If James is the emotional leader and we play with no emotion, what does that say?
To me it doesn’t matter, but consider the number of times James and been written about on DTN in just the last two weeks.
I tried to ignore the entire situation for the better part of a year and a half and it ended up with me having to issue warnings on consecutive days about name-calling last week because the discourse on DTN was getting out of hand. Again, I tried to just not write about it, but that apparently wasn’t the answer and the purpose of this post was more or less to try to address some of the things that have been happening, that I again tried to ignore.
I’ve always thought that Tuberville will eventually be judged by his record on the field and after the recruiting year, I’ll really start to put something together as to how I think he’s done thus far. I think a two-year assessment is fair and there’s still quite a bit of football to be played, but I’ve tried to remain consistent on that.
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More than anything, that’s why I say he can’t leave fast enough. Fair or not, James divides the fanbase, and no amount of teammate support or fan opinion/commentary is going to change that.
Maybe this is part of me trying to vet out my frustrations.
I tried one method, which was to not really even mention him for a year and a half and that seemingly got me no where.
So, last night I thought that it might be a good idea to go the other direction and lay out my thoughts as best I could and at the very least, try to have a dialogue about it. I said it sometime last week, which was that there have been times where I’ve wanted this season to end sooner rather than later and it has to do with James being a topic of conversation on DTN. I’m tired of reading about him, but people kept bringing him up and I could either continue not to address it and keep my head in the sand or try to address it as best I could.
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Yes, Seth,
and now you are a Dad …. and you know how precious and what a gift God’s children are … and God gave you a heart for that …. discipline is hard.
But, keep on keeping on - your observations help too.
Well? What happened here?
by you response, I hoe you know. And thank you.
I agree
I’m probably the most guilty of everyone at giving AJ grief and sometimes I also tell myself I need to move on. It’s so hard though…
Like I said, I’m trying to be reasonable about it and maybe this whole, talking-things-out, works and maybe it doesn’t. I think I’m looking for answers on this as much as anyone else and saying that he should just be cut isn’t an answer as it’s not within the realm of possibility, at least thus far. In other words, providing an impossible solution (he should have been cut 2 years ago) doesn’t provide for any possible answers right now.
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Agree
I don’t think cutting the guy is the right answer nor has it been the right answer all along. I do question however the idea that forcing him down the throats of all the fans as the leader of the team helps things.
I can understand that you think that cutting #82 now isn’t the answer. But if you were the new coach coming to Tech in January 2010 and there is a disruptive malcontent on the team that had just blown up the football program, you wouldn’t cut him? I don’t know that there is a real coach anywhere that wouldn’t make that the first order of business.
Simple rule of thumb: Everything before the but is BS.
Legal Liability
I think that opens up not only TTU to further litigation but also it could put Tubs job on the line. I wouldn’t touch it with a 10 foot stick if I were tubs.
I'm not a lawyer
But I would assume you could file suit for just about anything whether it’s right or wrong and that would continue to stir the pot regardless. That was the last thing TTU needed in the middle of all that chaos. If you think Daddy James would have just let it happen without doing anything I think you’re wrong…just my opinion.
And now 2 years later, we still have a problem because it was too scary to stir the pot? I don’t buy that, it was part of the deal to get Tubs back into coaching IMHO.
Simple rule of thumb: Everything before the but is BS.
Given the situation
I don’t think they could cut him. But they also don’t need to shove him in our faces.
Be the kind of woman that when your feet hit the floor each morning the devil says, "oh crap, she's up".
I don’t understand the shoving in our faces comment. Thus far, I’ve been able to find one recent quote about James from Tuberville, but it’s really been Doege trumpeting him more than anyone else. Is there someone else doing this other than Doege and Tuberville after the OU game?
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Tuberville's comments
about going into the stands the next time he hears someone boo James & saying something to the effect of James being the model TTU football player. I’ll look for the quotes if you want me to.
You’re right they were made after the OU game. Just don’t see how the comments were necessary when it’s a divisive issue.
Be the kind of woman that when your feet hit the floor each morning the devil says, "oh crap, she's up".
I said this above, which is that the comments were hyperbole, just as the comments about how fans would rip up Tuberville if he did come into the stands.
I don’t think that there’s anything wrong with protecting a player and I’d imagine that Tuberville hears a lot of negative comments about James. And I’d imagine that Tuberville hears a late of hateful comments about James. Obviously it’s a divisive issue and maybe simplistically, all Tuberville wants to do is protect his players.
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Tuberville has a larger responsibility in my opinion
He has responsibility to the team, the students, the alumni, the fans, the university. He had a choice to make. He chose to publicly support James in an aggressive way that he had to know would cause controversy within a certain portion of the fan base.
Be the kind of woman that when your feet hit the floor each morning the devil says, "oh crap, she's up".
I am not sure that Tuberville really has a clue to this day what happened in the Hance/James fiasco.
Simple rule of thumb: Everything before the but is BS.
I’d agree with FriscoRaider, I really don’t think Tuberville has a clue and if James started with a fresh slate with Tuberville and he hears the negative comments and James has been an upstanding citizen for Tuberville, then I understand the comments. I guess at the end of the day I don’t think that Tuberville is intentionally trying to build up James’ character because I don’t think that Tuberville or anyone else can really do that with a kid that caused so many issues. For most the season, Tuberville had one good comment about James after he had a good game and that’s been about it. If Tuberville really had an agenda, then he’d talk about him constantly. But thus far, it’s really been just one comment.
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Let's be fair, Seth
Tuberville did mention him in a lot of the Spring practice pressers and the in he preSeason pressers. Much more so than most of the players
"As we continue to merely "talk about championships""
Seth, go back to Tubervilles first spring practices and you will see many comments about #82 and how he can really catch or he had a great practice. Those comments started early and really have never stopped.
Simple rule of thumb: Everything before the but is BS.
Oh, sure, during the spring, he made comments, but to say that the comments never stopped doesn’t seem accurate. I just don’t know that he’s been mentioned a lot during the course of the year
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To be fair
I didn’t hear many comments until after OU. I heard comments about him included with praise for other players as well but nothing that went out of the way to spotlight him. After OU however I can’t say that’s the truth.
I don’t have a lot of time right now, but in the post-game pressers, Tuberville didn’t mention James until the OU game. Doege keeps getting asked by some reporter about James (it’s really kind of odd now that I think about it) after the TAMU, OU and Iowa St. games. It would be interesting to know which reporter is asking the question week after week.
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No, I don't think you cut him.
I think any reasonable coach or boss makes his own decisions about people. A reasonable coach or boss evaluates the situation he or she has inherited and then makes decisions based on what they observe. I would hate for my boss to base his decisions about me solely on what other people tell him, and I bet you might too.
"Again, once you employ childish language..(even when camouflaged behind parentheses)….the balance of your post is easily ignored. At that point, the impression is you are more interested in hurling invective than seriously contributing to the discourse." - ForestFlyer
Respectfully disagree with your disagreement.
We don’t know anything here on DTN about what goes on in the locker room. But if the team gets motivated by AJ, which has been stated by 2 teammates, and the team rides that emotion to a victory over OU, and we do know that team leaders inspire that in their team mates (whether we can fathom that AJ is that guy or not) then the IA ST game is a sellout. (which it was). And I’m not implying that AJ was the motivator that caused them to play so well at OU – even though Doege has implied as much – but the hypothetical is valid and I’m using it to make my point.
What the team thinks has everything to do with whether AJ belongs in that locker room or not. Because, if he is divisive to the team, it hampers their ability to give us what we want. If he is good for the team, it improves their ability to give us what we want. What we want are wins.
We, as fans, will show up if the team wins. That is what we care about. If this team were 8-0 we wouldn’t care if AJ caught 10 passes a game or 0 passes a game – if he was on the team or off the team would be so low on our list of priorities it would seem meaningless – because the stadium would be sold out. Conversely, when we don’t win the stadium is not sold out every game. It has always been that way and always will be that way. James has no impact on that what so ever.
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Harvey "Big Daddy" Pollitt: "What's that smell in this room? Didn't you notice it, Brick? Didn't you notice a powerful and obnoxious odor of mendacity in this room?"
OK. I seemed to have contradicted myself with that last sentence.
It was meant to say that James “as a stand alone entity” has no impact on that what so ever.
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just as example...
Philip Rivers is supposedly loved by his teammates, a great “team player” and a leader. He coughed up the ball last night costing his team the game and had a similar bad performance against Philadelphia this season. He was supposed to be “hall of fame caliber” and really has trouble even winning his (not very good) division. To agree with your comment, yes, winning cures ALL that and as proven by Denver (with Tebow) selling tickets and merchandise can offset even losing.
But MY point is, if your team is NOT very good and you’re NOT selling tix/merchandise, should the team keep trotting you out just because your teammates like you? To bring it back to the original point, if you’ve got a player that is COSTING you fans (and thus dollars) and that player is NOT bringing you wins (and thus, future dollars) WHY do you keep them? I’m not saying cut James, but why keep waving him in the face of the fanbase? Why not just let him slide into the background until we win or have the clarity of time?
I see your point, to some extent.
But I guess I just believe that ticket and merchandize sales haven’t been effected by James either way. I think it is all about wins and losses. Just my opinion on that one, though.
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I'm just saying...
If you think this team would have more losses without James, then I truly fear for the future. _
Do you honestly believe that this team would have more wins if James had been cut initially when Tuberville arrived.
I know he has had some bad plays, but so have many of the others. Should they all be cut?
"Again, once you employ childish language..(even when camouflaged behind parentheses)….the balance of your post is easily ignored. At that point, the impression is you are more interested in hurling invective than seriously contributing to the discourse." - ForestFlyer
no, but I don't think they'd have more losses either
And that’s the point. If it could be proven (spoiler: it can’t, but just go with me) that we have people that are not attending the games or buying merch or otherwise supporting the team ONLY because AJ is on it, what benefit is there to having him there? Let me distil it down without the lightning rod:
-Option A: Your team has a record of 5 – 3 and sells 20,000 tickets
-Option B: Your team has a record of 5 – 3 and sells 30,000 tickets
Which option do you choose? This is not little league where we should all feel good because every kid gets to play. Texas is currently pulling in over a hundred million dollars a season, and love it or hate it, money talks. If you don’t like those options, how about these:
-Option C: Your team has a record of 5 – 3, you sell 25,000 tickets, and fans complain about things they don’t like so you tell them “I understand, we’ll get better, stick with us”. It’s a hit to your pride because you know its not your fault, but it makes the fans happy-ish
-Option D: Your team has a record of 5 – 3, you sell 20,000 tickets and some fans are trying to get refunds because you have to be right by telling fans how stupid they are for not backing a single player they all hate. WHY ANTAGONIZE THEM FOR A PLAYER THAT WILL BE GONE AT THE END OF THE YEAR?
Again, if AJ was Jace Amaro, if he was a freshman, if he was expected to be a stud, then I GET IT. But he’s none of those things. He’s an average player that’s graduating in 4 games!
I just don't think that AJ
Sways as many ticket buys as a team that is winning. In another post some else made the point that winning sells tickets and I agree with that. If we are 8-0 then we have sell outs and Raiderville is at max capacity regardless of who is on the team. I am sure that there are players on the UT team that Some people don’t like, but as you pointed out they are doing well anyway.
I still don’t understand who at Tech is “telling you how stupid you are for not backing a single player”. Doege gave his opinion in the article Seth posted nothing else. I did not read where he got on fans for not supporting AJ. I have not seen anything from the team or from the University where they have called out people for not supporting AJ.
Now are you referring to the conspiracy theories that get thrown out on this board about the admin and Tubs thumbing their noses at us and just playing AJ and benching a supposed superstar freshman simply because they enjoy seeing some folks get pissed? Well I can’t help you there. As far as I am concerned that is deep cover, black helicopter stuff that I know nothing about.
"Again, once you employ childish language..(even when camouflaged behind parentheses)….the balance of your post is easily ignored. At that point, the impression is you are more interested in hurling invective than seriously contributing to the discourse." - ForestFlyer
I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again, read carefully if you’re not following:
I agree that if we’re 8 – 0, NONE of this matters, heck, I’d even say if we’re 7 – 1 this doesn’t matter, but we’re not. We’re 5 – 3 and most people are expecting 6 – 6 or 5 – 7 to finish it out. That’s something I kept typing but erasing because it seemed unnecessary. But I’ll go ahead and say it.
Yes, if you’re a winner, you can be an absolute @$$. You can be Michael Vick, Ray Lewis and Kobe Bryant all rolled into one. But he’s NOT a winner. You seem to be arguing that we either have AJ out there on the field and coaches, players and reporters telling us how important he is to the team OR we’re absolute dog-crap, we lose to Kansas and all our non-cons and we can forget ever seeing any sort of victory.
I am saying WITH James playing and people talking about him, we’re not a good team, WITHOUT James playing we are STILL NOT A GOOD TEAM. But here’s the crucial difference, in one case (with him not playing, or at MINIMUM not getting attention) we’re moving on, in the other, we’re WALLOWING in the Leach firing and the events that led up to it.
THAT is what the point is. SHOW me, don’t tell me. If James is crucial to this team, then anyone who’s not either blind or a psycho will see it. If he’s not, then don’t TELL me that he is. Heck, people in Austin want to TELL me that Vince Young is an NFL hall of fame QB, but he hasn’t SHOWN me any evidence of that. People SAY that the players love him and he was necessary for the Titans to win, but they cut him and he’s what, 3rd string behind Mike Vick? Telling me he is awesome when I see nothing to prove it doesn’t convince me, so WHY DO IT?
All the kid is doing is playing the game of football
So if I follow your argument, the entire first team should be gotten rid of? I mean if your argument is that if a team is not playing well and costing you fans and “dollars” then the players involved should not be brought back?
"Again, once you employ childish language..(even when camouflaged behind parentheses)….the balance of your post is easily ignored. At that point, the impression is you are more interested in hurling invective than seriously contributing to the discourse." - ForestFlyer
yep.
people can change. Just look at Batch, Hamilton, and Vick. People can change. I give A James the benefit of the doubt because of what Doege and other teams mates are saying to him.
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by I bleed Red and Black on Nov 1, 2011 11:27 AM CDT up reply actions
*saying about him*
Texas Tech Defense..."60% of the time it works every time."
by I bleed Red and Black on Nov 1, 2011 11:28 AM CDT up reply actions
A leopard can't change it's spots.
Don’t make the mistake of thinking it’s cute and cuddly. The damn thing will eat you alive if it becomes malcontent.
Remember that it was Leach that wanted to keep James and give him a scholarship when others wanted to cut him. Leach saw something in James that he could coach up. But James didn’t like the coaches methods and went running to “Dad”.
In the aftermath James has a new coach that he approves of and is showing his potential.
Too little too late for me.
pony boy (allegedly) killed whores
nancy killed doors
"As we continue to merely "talk about championships""
by blackbeard on Nov 2, 2011 7:26 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
could not agree more FriscoRaider
Be the kind of woman that when your feet hit the floor each morning the devil says, "oh crap, she's up".
Let's win this weekend and get to a bowl game
I don’t want to discuss Nancy anymore. If he has changed, good for him, if not, no surprises here. Let’s just win this weekend. Go us!
by TexasTechForever on Nov 1, 2011 10:50 AM CDT reply actions
+Texas with a dollar sign
"They challenged us. They said, 'Here, try to run past us, try to run inside us.' And they were better at preventing that than we were throwing and catching it." --Mike Leach
Football Is the subject.
Gossip is not a subject in which I’m interested.
The Texas Tech football team that shows up in Austin on Saturday better be ready to play. The Longhorns take beating other Texas colleges very seriously.
"For me, he is not worth the emotion of a cheer or a jeer."
You said right there all I care to say today or in the future on the subject of our starting tight end. I’m glad his teammates like him.
2011 Season - No excuses. Just win!
We should all think about joining Al-anon as the season wears on
Which Tech football team appears Saturday? The cheerful one that beat Oklahoma like a drum two weeks ago and made his whole family as happy as they’ve been in years? Or the abusive one who allowed Iowa State to crush our spirit this past weekend? Tech fans are always on pins & needles wondering which team will show up any given day. Here’s hoping the Heroes of Norman decide to play in Austin Saturday morning. And here’s to feeding them peanut butter & jelly sandwiches in the locker room.
2011 Season - No excuses. Just win!
I am hoping for the cheerful one.
I like to see my teams win. After this past weekend….Rangers, Raiders, Cowboys…oh my..
"Again, once you employ childish language..(even when camouflaged behind parentheses)….the balance of your post is easily ignored. At that point, the impression is you are more interested in hurling invective than seriously contributing to the discourse." - ForestFlyer
I'm just saying
that bringing Nancy James up (and his character, i. e. “leadership”) is to exonerate him and thus push the point that Coach Leach got what he deserved (move-on from the “how”).
Just one more of the “just kids” excuse.
Put all these last 2yrs. of facts on the Alabama – ND, USC, UNM teams….. and we are reading and discussing them. How does it play out now?
There’s something wrong here … with this football program and team. Ignoring it or revising it’s history will not make it go away.
A “new” championship SEC coach – 4-2-5 defense, etc., etc. doesn’t make a team.
So, some are saying, the wind, white helmet, the “silent scare” will?
I don’t care “who’s” little boy Nancy James is or how “sweet” he’s become. He slapped his coaches, tore down his University’s football program, ruined his Coach’s career (staff as well) …. and we are to believe that a program that allows him to remain has integrity?
In my defense Rose, I've never brought up AJ with any kind of thought to exonerate him.
But I do bring him up acknowledging the possibility that he has taken his public ass whooping and has recognized he was going about life they wrong way. And I know you didn’t call me out directly – but I have posted a topic on this before, so you did (at least effectively) call me out.
I agree with Seth 100% on this. The fascinating thing to me is not so much what Seth is saying, but what the two extremes points of view on this topic are saying. This conversation is no longer about what he did in Dec. of 2009. I think everyone has already acknowledge and agreed that he is guilty as charged. I think everyone believes that he should get what he deserves. That is done and he’ll pay whatever price comes along with that. No arguments here, he deserves what he gets. that’s life. But every day since then, it’s not as though he locks himself in that closet and makes that video. Every day since then he has been doing other things. Things that we don’t get to see. Are they the things that you would sincerely hope a guy in his shoes would do? Is it more of the same crap that got him there in the 1st place? One thing is for certain – no one here has a clue. Well, that is not entirely true – we do have some clues. We have coaches and teammates saying that he has earned their respect. But that is just 1 small clue. What this conversation is now is about what has he done since then. I don’t think he has done anything for the benefit of the public that compels forgiveness. But, someone please give me some compelling evidence as to why his team mates and coaches aren’t in a better position to know than us. Frankly, I could care less if he is forgiven by anyone or not – as I’ve mentioned, I sure haven’t at this point. But what an interesting study of human nature it is to read what motivates otherwise like minded people on such a divisive topic.
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Harvey "Big Daddy" Pollitt: "What's that smell in this room? Didn't you notice it, Brick? Didn't you notice a powerful and obnoxious odor of mendacity in this room?"
Oh Dunka,
I would never call you out. I have enjoyed your posts and thoughts, and have learned from and enjoyed them.
My points are, I guess, is that his future heart doesn’t matter (to his victims). It’s life, and he will have to pay for his sins, no matter what compassion others have for him. (and, I love your compassion).
He has destroyed a man, his career, and his lively-hood; and, a University’s integrity and football program. So, IMO, he can’t redeem himself there … becoming the next Michael Crabtree or “leader of anything”.. …. He needs to show his absolution somewhere else, some other time.
Having this Coach’s approval, or this QB’s approval just doesn’t help him get there.
I didn't feel it was a harsh call out anyway ; )
And you and I certainly agree on one thing: regardless of what he does to mend things with teammates/coaches it’s likely I won’t ever forgive him until he does it in a way that is tangible for me. And the reality is that is probably not very likely.
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One of the most discouraging thing that I have read coming from Tubs lips ...
From his press conference:
This game’s about emotion, and there are several games each year that emotions are going to have to be a lot more coming from the coaches and it’s going to come from the players because you can only get up for so many games. We knew this was going to be a struggle with some of that.
He is right and wrong. He right about the coaches picking up the players. These players still have a lot to learn in life and need someone teaching them how “to get up” and be consistent everyday. That’s coaching.
He is wrong to say that you can only get up for so many games. My goodness, they only have to “get up” for 12 games. To me, this speaks of a tired coach who is placing self-imposed and defeatist limitations on his staff and team. Not good and very discouraging. This type of thinking is what separates the men from the boys. It sounds to me like Tubs is at the end of his shelf life as a coach. if so, he needs to man up and retire. Jimmy Johnson did.
There are many of us out here who have to “get up” 40-50 times a year and deliver. It can be done, if one has the want to. It will never get done if one doesn’t.
I think what Tuberville was getting at is that it’s probably easy to get up the emotion for a game against OU, UT, etc., but tougher to do that against teams that are supposed to be a win.
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I hope that is what he meant ...
It is so hard for me to understand where he is coming from because he is not a very clear communicator.
by Arizona Raider on Nov 1, 2011 12:16 PM CDT up reply actions
How do you not "get up the emotion"
for Iowa ST??? ITS THE BIG 12!!! (to quote dan hawkins). They kicked our ass last year….was that not a revenge game? I think the lack of emotion was a cop out. The defense couldnt have stopped that zone read if everyone of them was on an HGH cycle, roided out of their minds, or if they had caught the Iowa St offense with their fat girlfriends before the game…….you know how i know that? Because we havent stopped the zone read the entire year, were the players playing with a lack of passion for those other games as well? I think it comes down to schemes and execution more so than emotion when you play that poorly
"Odds are its something simple" - @Coach_Leach
How indeed?
Back in the day, I had no trouble getting pumped for an intramural game. I would waste half the work day talking about and getting amped up over a stinkin’ rec league basketball game.
This team plays in one of the top football conferences in the country. If guys can’t get up for these games, maybe we need to start recruiting for mental makeup rather than the number of stars beside their names.
aww yes...i have one all u champ.
we wrecked shop that year. even beat franchise.
Texas Tech Defense..."60% of the time it works every time."
by I bleed Red and Black on Nov 1, 2011 1:57 PM CDT up reply actions
I have been on Google all freaking day and cannot find out
how much emotion it take to make a fucking tackle.
"As we continue to merely "talk about championships""
by blackbeard on Nov 1, 2011 2:04 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Yeah. I hear it starts with squaring up and keeping your head up and wrapping your arms around somebody
nawww
just drive it makes it more dramatic. and if you miss you don't look as bad
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by I bleed Red and Black on Nov 1, 2011 2:21 PM CDT up reply actions
Ha!
If you aren’t motivated to make a tackle, you won’t tackle. Our defense must realize that every play is designed to score a touchdown if not stopped. It’s their jobs to stop them. They have to have more “want to” than their opponents or you will get beat. Talent only gets you so far.
by Arizona Raider on Nov 1, 2011 3:26 PM CDT up reply actions
re-watch the last interception Doege threw against ISU
and how many missed tackles there were because the team had given up at that point..
Takes a little bit more emotion than they had at that point.
Be a team. Be the most excited to play. Be the best at doing your @#&$ing job.
Which team is Tech bringing to Austin?
MB is wringing his hands.
Proud of your offense? Manny badger don't give a shit!
We may still not know
There’s a good chance it’s a team nobody has seen this year. That seems to be the theme so far. It’s like a grab bag of uncertainty. It will be interesting either way though.
by TTU '04 on Nov 1, 2011 12:24 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
OU beat the crap out of UT, next game UT beat the crap out of Kansas
Texas Tech beat the Crap out of OU, the next week OU beat up on K-State.
There are more examples.
I think we will see a pissed off Tech team that will bring their “A” game.
It’s usually what happens after big losses after a team has been scrutinized all week.
Especially with this being a rivalry game and all, I don’t see lack of emotion being a problem this week.
"Running in place will never get you the same results as running from a lion."
- most interesting man in the world
I feel good because Tubby is up for this one.
"I feel sorry for the guys," Tech head coach Tommy Tuberville said. "They fought hard tonight. We didn't look good on offense or defense at times, and at times we looked pretty good. It's just, I don't know. Weird game.
As long as the focus is the rehab #82s reputation, I think you see that team that showed up Saturday night.
Simple rule of thumb: Everything before the but is BS.
by FriscoRaider on Nov 1, 2011 12:34 PM CDT up reply actions
Tuberville, absolutely, he has been doing pretty much since he got here. Doege, I am fine with him saying whatever he cares to say.
Simple rule of thumb: Everything before the but is BS.
by FriscoRaider on Nov 1, 2011 12:48 PM CDT up reply actions
Tuberville should have been focused on the Iowa State game
Not trotting James & his reformed persona out to us. So yes, I think it was an intentional stick in the eye.
I do not believe that Doege has the same motive, I think he is just a kid speaking out saying what he believes.
Be the kind of woman that when your feet hit the floor each morning the devil says, "oh crap, she's up".
How did Tuberville trot out his reformed persona? Again, other than the comment after the OU, where again, the very real possibility that James may have changed. And why do you think their motives are different, or rather, what makes you think that they have different motives?
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I can't speak for Austin, Tx
But what I am referencing is along the lines of TTUMAR’s post. The whole intent of his post was to get the message out on DTN just like the message had been laid out all over the place on other TTU blogs. It was a concerted effort to clear his name and it was being driven by someone. One would think this was coming from TTU as nobody but TTU would have even thought about capitalizing on that win only to clear his name. That’s just my two cents.
But isn’t that part of the problem? I think we have to take a FanPost from TTUMAR out of the picture entirely. That’s one person that said that? In other words, feel free to hold Tuberville’s comment against him, that’s fine and fair, but it seems unfair to hold TTUMAR’s FanPost against Tuberville as well. I have no idea who TTUMAR is as a person and have no idea if he works for Texas Tech and I really don’t care.
What I’m asking is for us to take the recent comments from the players and coaches in context and discuss the merits of those.
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Yes to a certain extent
But it was obvious in his post that there were multiple threads like that up and going. It just smells in my opinion. I also forgot to include the part about Tubs going into the stands to straighten out the people who boo. That is part of it as well.
As far as the coaches/players comments you’re absolutely correct. Those merits should be discussed.
Again, I don’t know anything about TTUMAR and the other posts that went up on DTN about James weren’t to give him all sorts of accolades and praise him for his work. If I had to guess, probably 90% of the comments were either mocking James or saying how much people disliked him.
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I was referencing the other TTU blogs
He spoke about all the other blogs that dealt with TTU sports. I only visit this one so I have no idea where to find the other ones.
I don’t have a clue about the other blogs either. One is a subscription and the other is a mess (not that DTN can’t be a mess either).
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I should also clarify, I didn’t read the post before it was taken down by TTUMAR.
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It was pretty pathetic
The message was basically that James had redeemed himself and vindicated all of the past mistakes because of one good game at OU and called out everyone who thought otherwise. It got personal. It was very pointed and very strongly aimed at pointing out all who were mad at James were wrong and had pie on their face. The timing of it was classless as was the message in my opinion.
That’s why I said this in the original post, so early this morning:
I also don’t believe that last week is any sort of vindication or anything like that. That’s a bit much for me and I don’t believe that a person is vindicated by performing for one game on the field, that doesn’t compute either.
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At this point yes. I’m also thinking about having a daily Adam James post to boost traffic and visits.
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by Seth C on Nov 1, 2011 4:01 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Ha!
Be the kind of woman that when your feet hit the floor each morning the devil says, "oh crap, she's up".
more posts here than all
Pat Knights Open Basketball threads all season
"As we continue to merely "talk about championships""
by blackbeard on Nov 1, 2011 4:08 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Boy, ain't that the truth
I really, really don’t want to talk about the starting TE. So I have to wade through almost thousands of posts now to find a conversation that doesn’t talk about him.
9 months of off season anticipation & I think I’m ready for this season to be over. Are we having any fun yet Mouseketeers?
2011 Season - No excuses. Just win!
I have
the answer…..can we start talking about our backup TE?
"Trust your gut....mine always finds good Mexican food"
-Me
by oldschoolraider on Nov 1, 2011 4:44 PM CDT up reply actions
Red Shirt On Fire
"I feel sorry for the guys," Tech head coach Tommy Tuberville said. "They fought hard tonight. We didn't look good on offense or defense at times, and at times we looked pretty good. It's just, I don't know. Weird game.
That's not what TTUMAR's post said TTU 04
It contained more than that.
"Again, once you employ childish language..(even when camouflaged behind parentheses)….the balance of your post is easily ignored. At that point, the impression is you are more interested in hurling invective than seriously contributing to the discourse." - ForestFlyer
I wish I could bring it back but I cannot
I even tried my level 10 crazy voodoo powers and nothing…
"Again, once you employ childish language..(even when camouflaged behind parentheses)….the balance of your post is easily ignored. At that point, the impression is you are more interested in hurling invective than seriously contributing to the discourse." - ForestFlyer
You have to have level 20 ninja voodoo skills which I possess...
But I don’t share them. I’m greedy.
Does Angry Bird count
"I feel sorry for the guys," Tech head coach Tommy Tuberville said. "They fought hard tonight. We didn't look good on offense or defense at times, and at times we looked pretty good. It's just, I don't know. Weird game.
I am going to finally watch the Harry Potter Movies
So watch out! I will have mad skills then I am sure!
"Again, once you employ childish language..(even when camouflaged behind parentheses)….the balance of your post is easily ignored. At that point, the impression is you are more interested in hurling invective than seriously contributing to the discourse." - ForestFlyer
Working you way up to Men who stare at goats?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GC2TzspJn5A
Simple rule of thumb: Everything before the but is BS.
by FriscoRaider on Nov 1, 2011 10:32 PM CDT up reply actions
I loved it
It was an even bigger hit Here in Bryan/College Station where I live, but I don’t think those guys really knew what it was really about…..
"Again, once you employ childish language..(even when camouflaged behind parentheses)….the balance of your post is easily ignored. At that point, the impression is you are more interested in hurling invective than seriously contributing to the discourse." - ForestFlyer
Bring on Harry...
I’ve got Napoleon voodoo ninja skills with hash browns in my cargo pocket…and I don’t mean the stringy ones! I’ve got the bullet ones…ready to rock! Skills I say!
Based on the comments after the OU game
IMHO they were unnecessary, especially on a divisive issue.
The reason I believe Tuberville & Doege have different motives is because Tuberville is a political type & Doege is a kid.
Be the kind of woman that when your feet hit the floor each morning the devil says, "oh crap, she's up".
But aren’t the fans somewhat driving this divisive issue too? I’m not saying that they’re wrong for booing him and have said before that you get to do what you want, but do you want a coach that just ignores those comments or a coach that stands up for him just a bit? Again, this goes back to the very real possibility that James may have changed as a human being when Tuberville arrived, straightened up his act, worked out like he was supposed to then I don’t understand what he’s supposed to do.
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Double-T Nation
Yes the fans are absolutely driving this
I think this is happening because it is the one constant that has been present since the debacle in December 09. The depositions and videos et al. The fans really have no other outlet to voice their disgust than doing just what we are doing. We all know our emails/calls fall on deaf ears in the bell tower so our only other choice is to be absolutely petty. It’s not fun. I don’t like it. I feel like it’s below the belt and classless but I’ll fight like hell until we are all heard. Our voice matters and to be told it doesn’t is just flat out wrong. That’s how I see it.
Seriously!
Some of us are season ticket holders just like the apologists are. Are their dollars worth more?
actually if the apologists purchased their tickets when they first went on sale
and we purchased our after they lowered the price, then yes, their dollars are technically “worth more” so to speak.
"As we continue to merely "talk about championships""
That did thrill me either...
Be the kind of woman that when your feet hit the floor each morning the devil says, "oh crap, she's up".
Not so fast my friend!
Some of us aren’t season ticket holders but we attend all home games anyways to get better seats. So actually we pay more than the apologists who are season ticket holders therefore our dollars are in essence of more value to TTU athletics…whew! I was worried for a few…
I can’t speak for others but this issue was below the surface for me (except for funny snide posts on game day threads) until Tuberville made his comments. Now everything has bubbled back up to the surface.
I don’t believe in booing students/players. But I’ll be honest & say I booed James one time on Saturday because of Tuberville’s statement about coming up in the stands. Not my proudest moment. But an example of what happens when they stir the pot by putting James front & center.
Be the kind of woman that when your feet hit the floor each morning the devil says, "oh crap, she's up".
I boo him all the time
I have people ask me to stop and I look at them and give them a guns up and smile and yell wreck em. Then the next chance I get I boo again. People don’t get it. It’s much more than booing one kid.
I still don’t get how he’s front and center. That would imply that he’s on the cover of the promotional posters or on the tickets or being sent out after games or something like that. I said it before and I’ll say it again, the comments were hyperbole and standing up for a player. If that’s how you choose to show your frustration that’s fine, but overall, Tuberville hasn’t made James front and center of really anything, although the entire team made him a team captain. I’m just asking folks to consider that there’s a real possibility that he may have changed.
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Maybe he has changed
But I’m not going to take someone else’s word for it.
And we can all see things differently. What I saw after the OU game was front & center. That was my perception.
Be the kind of woman that when your feet hit the floor each morning the devil says, "oh crap, she's up".
And if perception is NOT reality, then
why is Leach gone?
"As we continue to merely "talk about championships""
I guess I just don’t understand how it was front and center and I’m not trying to be pig-headed either. He said he had a good game (I even begrudgingly said that he had a good game because he did) and he said that he’s taken on a leadership role with the team, which apparently he has, at least according to Doege.
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These are the statements I have a real problem with
Booing comment
Epitomizes TT football player
Be the kind of woman that when your feet hit the floor each morning the devil says, "oh crap, she's up".
But it sounds like Tuberville is pretty much repeating what Doege said after the OU game.
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Double-T Nation
So you admit it was scripted, just kidding, really.
Simple rule of thumb: Everything before the but is BS.
What difference does it make. He must know the impact of his words. Does he want the fan base divided or does he want all of the angst to go away so we can come together?
Be the kind of woman that when your feet hit the floor each morning the devil says, "oh crap, she's up".
I still go back to the thought that Tuberville probably hears a shit-ton of negative things about James and he’s just looking to protect his player. I’m guessing that if you were the coach, you wouldn’t be protecting James at all. Tuberville has a penchant for speaking in hyperbole I think, but the idea is that I think that he literally speaks what’s on his mind and sometimes that’s really insightful because I think Tuberville talks like he thinks, which is amusing.
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Ha!
Be the kind of woman that when your feet hit the floor each morning the devil says, "oh crap, she's up".
I wish I got political humor, but I don’t so we’ll just end politoco talk.
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Double-T Nation
I think I would handle the situation differently than Tuberville has chosen to, yes.
Unite the team & play football.
Be the kind of woman that when your feet hit the floor each morning the devil says, "oh crap, she's up".
I think that in Tuberville’s mind that he has to “win” over those people that criticize James. I don’t think how that’s how you handle it, but I think that’s how Tuberville perceives the situation.
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That's an interesting point
And I think it’s just another factor that points to Tuberville not “getting” Texas Tech.
Be the kind of woman that when your feet hit the floor each morning the devil says, "oh crap, she's up".
I don’t think it’s a matter of Tuberville getting Texas Tech or not, I think that he inherited an awful environment (again, none of it was his fault) he kept the player last year, but I think he caught 2 passes or something like that last year and now I think he’s looking to be protective, although I don’t think that he’s handling it the right way.
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Is it possible...
That Tuberville is “distracting” the fanbase. Prior to OU people were calling for his head. If he keeps people focused on a kid that’s irrrelevant in 4 games then that’s less (not zero) heat that’s on himself. (in theory, altho it’s easier to deflect calls of “stop playing/talking about James” than “your playcalling sucks”)
see Seth's comment above
" he literally speaks what’s on his mind and sometimes that’s really insightful because I think Tuberville talks like he thinks, which is amusing."
"As we continue to merely "talk about championships""
by blackbeard on Nov 1, 2011 4:31 PM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
+1
But I might add that James hasn’t changed. He’s been placated and is finally living up to the expectations that coach Leach saw in him in the beginning.
All that "first one standing up in the dressing room, start motivating the young guys," is for show in my opinion, and some of the players are buying it.
the coming into the stands
did it for me…………………way over the line…………….bulldog mouth/pekingese ass
"As we continue to merely "talk about championships""
He showed up at my house and broke my legs.
What a jerk.
Be a team. Be the most excited to play. Be the best at doing your @#&$ing job.
I'm just trying to get the word out.
Don’t say I didn’t warn you when you wake up with a bloody horse head in your bed.
Be a team. Be the most excited to play. Be the best at doing your @#&$ing job.
We have 11+ freshmen starting for us
Do you think we might be somewhat clueless who will show up on our side? except for our defense – it is awesome.
Proud of your offense? Manny badger don't give a shit!
the tech defense
will make ya’lls shitty offense look like they’re running plays against air (see shitty Iowa st offense last week)
"Odds are its something simple" - @Coach_Leach
If you shut our running game down we will be mad at you.
and we will lose.
Proud of your offense? Manny badger don't give a shit!
Hell
Even Texas State ran down our throats in the first half. I watched it in person. Nearly threw up in the stands.
You beat the thieves - that makes you OK in my book.
Proud of your offense? Manny badger don't give a shit!
I loved that win...
But I have to admit the same night I was celebrating that win I was looking at our schedule trying to pick which “easy win” we would choke on. I picked wrong:)
Man.....I'm gonna get ripped here but I am gonna say it.
Harboring hate for A James does not help this team one bit. All it does is make the person who is holding that hate against him feel justified. I prefer to forget what lies behind and press on to what lies ahead. I am not telling each of you guys to do that(or tell you to move on), but from what I can see with my eye balls…. all this hate isn’t doing anything to help this team. I don’t think the answer is to cut James, and I don’t think speaking venom about him will help either. The answer, in my book, is to just let the kid be. Let him work out his problems. I just want to cheer for my red raiders and not have to worry about us booing our own team. IMHO that is what makes our fans seem like a joke, doesn’t help recruiting, and makes tech seem (as aggies say) classless.
Let the ripping begin….
Texas Tech Defense..."60% of the time it works every time."
by I bleed Red and Black on Nov 1, 2011 1:34 PM CDT reply actions 2 recs
I can live with your opinion
But can we agree that forcing him down our throats as the team leader is a little much?
Well, if they really think he is a team leader....
…. and they are asked who the team leaders are…… I don’t know that they are forcing him down our throats. They are just answering and we just don’t like the answer.
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Harvey "Big Daddy" Pollitt: "What's that smell in this room? Didn't you notice it, Brick? Didn't you notice a powerful and obnoxious odor of mendacity in this room?"
I would disagree a little
It comes across to me as their response to a frustrated fan base that is being pushed from the coaches. Call it a rallying cry if you will. Something to bring the team together with. From that perspective I can understand it but it still seems like a stretch to me.
I can't see it, but then again, I can't argue with you either.
I’m trying to determine if I think Doege is that kind of a guy. Because that is really where your point would hit home. At this point, I just don’t buy that he and Torres are like that. But then again, I don’t know them either.
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Harvey "Big Daddy" Pollitt: "What's that smell in this room? Didn't you notice it, Brick? Didn't you notice a powerful and obnoxious odor of mendacity in this room?"
WHen I say "Like that", I mean the type that would manufacture answers to spite the fan base.
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Harvey "Big Daddy" Pollitt: "What's that smell in this room? Didn't you notice it, Brick? Didn't you notice a powerful and obnoxious odor of mendacity in this room?"
Right and I don’t think that Tuberville has said that he’s a team leader, at least not the last two weeks (he may have said something earlier in the year, but I don’t recall. Here’s what Tuberville said after the OU game:
We had other performances. Seth Doege, Adam James had a breakout game, big third down catches. Get’s better and better each week.
It was Doege that mentioned the other things about being a team leader.
Go Raiders . . .
Double-T Nation
I did go back and look at the CBS Sports article from a couple of weeks ago and Tuberville did say this, so I stand corrected:
“His work ethic, his leadership, he’ll be the first one to stand up and take blame or he’ll be the first one standing up in the dressing room, start motivating the young guys,” coach Tommy Tuberville said. “The players rallied around him.”
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that speaks volumns for me about this kids 180
but then again that is just my opinion….
Texas Tech Defense..."60% of the time it works every time."
by I bleed Red and Black on Nov 1, 2011 2:09 PM CDT up reply actions
I guess my litmus test for this is Baron Batch
Everyone knew without a doubt he was a leader on his team. He may not have been the only leader but I think it’s fair to say that the whole team looked up to him and he had the mental capacity and class to handle it and handle it very well. I just don’t see the same scenario being played out right now. I see efforts being made to equal that atmosphere but it doesn’t seem natural.
Batch is a 1 and million kind of guy though....
Texas Tech Defense..."60% of the time it works every time."
by I bleed Red and Black on Nov 1, 2011 2:11 PM CDT up reply actions
That's not the point
Leaders don’t need coaches telling the other players they are a leader. It is and should be a natural process. I don’t see that but that’s just me.
Not that it matters all that much, but the date on the article is Oct 25th 2011, so just after the OU win.
Simple rule of thumb: Everything before the but is BS.
That’s what I meant by a couple of weeks ago, sorry for not being specific.
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Double-T Nation
Not trying to be difficult, it was 7 days ago.
Simple rule of thumb: Everything before the but is BS.
Of course you’re not trying to be difficult, perhaps I should have said at a time in the past.
Go Raiders . . .
Double-T Nation
They don't do the same "PR tour" with other team leaders
Be the kind of woman that when your feet hit the floor each morning the devil says, "oh crap, she's up".
Hell, I'm not gonna rip you - I don't even know what you are TALKING about! :-)
Proud of your offense? Manny badger don't give a shit!
" he’ll be the first one to stand up and take blame "
wtf……………………….laughing at this still
"As we continue to merely "talk about championships""
by blackbeard on Nov 1, 2011 2:10 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
use to have a guy in HS football shove smell salt up his nose
and then eat them…but then again he was a full back…and everyone knows those guys are crazy.
Texas Tech Defense..."60% of the time it works every time."
by I bleed Red and Black on Nov 1, 2011 2:13 PM CDT up reply actions
Yeah, I spit rootbeer at my computer screen when I saw that.
I wasn’t even drinking rootbeer.
Be a team. Be the most excited to play. Be the best at doing your @#&$ing job.
I really need to see a sense of urgency Saturday
I am extremely pleased that the team is learning from its losses (need to execute on special teams, need to limit turnovers, need to get emotionally ready for every opponent, etc.). But the learnings do not erase those losses – each of which represents a failed opportunity.
There is not one ‘gimme’ left on the schedule. If things don’t turn around quick, this will be a team that has learned a whole lot, but is nevertheless 5-7 and sitting around watching bowl games on TV.
No passion from the previous Coach??
And, just why is #82 much too frequently caught in pics. and video behind either Coach?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DU7Yq0tOUC8&fb_source=message
You have to keep doing that to me,
Everytime I see this I go back to Anger and I have to start all over again.
I’ll never gonig to get to Acceptance (LOL). But to add fuel to the fire, take the time to watch the 60 mintue interview again. For those who say Leach was about Leach, just count how many times Texas Tech is mentioned, Lach is alwasy wearing Tech gear, just watch and enjoy and get ready to kick The Thorns ass.
http://www.cbsnews.com/video/watch/?id=4697690n
"I feel sorry for the guys," Tech head coach Tommy Tuberville said. "They fought hard tonight. We didn't look good on offense or defense at times, and at times we looked pretty good. It's just, I don't know. Weird game.
Sorry,
but Les Miles, or Nick Saban couldn’t top this.
I’ve heard that Bear Bryant enjoyed watching the Texas Tech Red Raiders from his grave ………………………………….
Why? Why? Why?
?
i don't now! I don't know! I don't know!
Texas Tech Defense..."60% of the time it works every time."
by I bleed Red and Black on Nov 1, 2011 2:51 PM CDT up reply actions
You know,
my husband once had to buy me a new car because of a retort like this?
I think that happened to me
"I feel sorry for the guys," Tech head coach Tommy Tuberville said. "They fought hard tonight. We didn't look good on offense or defense at times, and at times we looked pretty good. It's just, I don't know. Weird game.
Big fan of Leach
I’m a big fan of Leach. Awesome coach with awesome O scheme who accomplished great things. The ouster of Leach was a foul act. The roles that Craig James and Adam James played in that ouster were shameful. It is difficult to forgive Adam James because he has not made amends for what he did to Leach.
Having said all that, it is very likely that the Tech powers that be had already decided to hire Tubbs and contrived to manufacture this “scandal” to oust Leach to make room for Tubbs and avoid paying Leach.
Re: forgiving Adam James, Coach Lincoln said that “a house divided against itself cannot stand”.
Once Adam stayed on the team, obviously the players and coaches had/have to support Adam James.
I agree
It all happened so quick. There is no possible way that some decisions were already being made behind the scenes. To be completely honest I think that is why so many of us are still so wound up about it. Did they think we were all just completely stupid sheeple that can’t think for ourselves?
WOW Kalfka ... I wish I had read you first.
I wouldn’t have needed to rant … you’ve tied it up with a pretty bow.
We, as a family
of too waayyy to girlie girls were traveling back and forth 8 hours each way … $120.00 a night at Embassy Suites … 5-6-7 times a year to Lubbock. Game days were an automatic draw from the Master Care 7-8 months in advance ….. We belonged!
We want nothing to do with Nancy James, his daddy, ESPN, or this corrupt Admins.
Coach Tuberville can determine if we want anything to do with him … so far, it doesn’t seem he’s in a position to care.
\o/ yay!
i love emoticons!
Texas Tech Defense..."60% of the time it works every time."
by I bleed Red and Black on Nov 1, 2011 3:22 PM CDT up reply actions
On a lighter note
that LSU vs Bama game is going to be the most awesome boring game ever. Everyone needs to tune in!
predicted score 2-3.
LSU gets a safety and bama a field goal.
Texas Tech Defense..."60% of the time it works every time."
by I bleed Red and Black on Nov 1, 2011 3:21 PM CDT reply actions
YOU HAVE THAT RIGHT -- I bleed Red and Black -- Boring before - boring - now,
and boring for evermore!!!
Just ready for Adam James to graduate, Kent Hance to retire, and Guy Bailey...
to get the next rung on his carere ladder…so maybe as a university, we can move on and start healing.
I’ve said from the start, 2 years ago….(and it has nothing to do with Leach’s firing) I don’t think Tuberville is the right fit for TT. Everything is forced, from his hiring, to his dogmatic mantra….we MUST run the ball, no matter what.
It was/is a no win situation for us…He will either succeed here and take the fastest jet possible back to his beloved SEC, or he’ll lose and Holcutt will have to fire him.
Every hire at TT needs to be someone who see’s their job their as the top rung on their ladder.
Did you read my post on SARR's Lubbock v the World post?
Really interesting & disappointing views between Lubbock & rest of the world. Think that’s how admin gets to do what they do. But I’m going to keep on…
Be the kind of woman that when your feet hit the floor each morning the devil says, "oh crap, she's up".
yes i did...
great post….but eventually regardless of what some think or don’t think, they will all be gone…James this year…Hance has got to be close to 70?….and it’s very obvious to me, That Bailey is just using Tech as a stepping stone, to get his dream job, of president at Alabama.
"Hance has got to be close to 70?"
we are talking IQ now, right?
"As we continue to merely "talk about championships""
by blackbeard on Nov 1, 2011 4:33 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
I just saw a tubs tweet that thanks for the prayers..my wife is ok.
Not sure whats up…I hope everyone is ok.
"Trust your gut....mine always finds good Mexican food"
-Me
by oldschoolraider on Nov 1, 2011 5:09 PM CDT via iPhone app reply actions
I want tubs to succeed and I actually like him and don’t attack him personally. I hope everyone is ok.
If you want to see me blubber like a baby, show me one of those troops surprising family coming home.
"Trust your gut....mine always finds good Mexican food"
-Me
by oldschoolraider on Nov 1, 2011 5:34 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
If TT succeeds, then we are all winners.
Worst part about watching Sunday morning news is when they scroll our fallen heros for the week. My throat tightens up every time.
"I feel sorry for the guys," Tech head coach Tommy Tuberville said. "They fought hard tonight. We didn't look good on offense or defense at times, and at times we looked pretty good. It's just, I don't know. Weird game.
His wife had a wreck on Slide by the mall.
I didn’t put up the article because it didn’t seem to have a place here.
KCBD has an article for anyone interested.
I do the same thing.
I hate being at the Airport when a troop comes home, I can’t help myself.
" Answers --Become Resources."
Without Questions, There are limited Resources...
I blame becoming a parent. I was heartless before then…damn that was nice.
"Trust your gut....mine always finds good Mexican food"
-Me
by oldschoolraider on Nov 1, 2011 9:19 PM CDT via iPhone app up reply actions
You met my son in law, he came back twice. Great day twice.
"I feel sorry for the guys," Tech head coach Tommy Tuberville said. "They fought hard tonight. We didn't look good on offense or defense at times, and at times we looked pretty good. It's just, I don't know. Weird game.
Seth: I also feel your pain on this subject....
I know that these are rambling thoughts and they probably don’t make a ton of sense. I apologize if they don’t. The biggest thing for me is that I the constant back-and-forth of Leach vs. Texas Tech vs. Craig James vs. Adam James vs. the Texas Tech administration wears on me more than you might ever know. It probably shouldn’t, but it does
As I wrote earlier , the administration of our beloved university "over reacted" to Leach’s popularity, and were jealous of it and just had to destroy it…and with that they destroyed the fan base, and to date much like this site, we are torn and we have the insecure leadership of our fine university to blame.
For me, he is not worth the emotion of a cheer or a jeer. I just want this chapter to end so I can move onto talking about football things on the football field.
This is everything.
i like lose women
I see your point...
I’m also tired of talking about the little SOB. We’ve only got to see him play ONE MORE GAME at the Jones and three road games—and the A James saga is OVER! Man, I can’t wait until that happens. Seth, I know you’re tired of dealing with all this stuff and I don’t blame you. What with also having to raise a kid at home and having to deal with thousands of kids on DTN, I’ll bet you’re tired. Get some sleep, guy, I’m sure you can use it.
That said, I’m STILL BOOING THAT LITTLE SOB ON SENIOR DAY!!! YEEEEE-HAAAWWW!!!
I've only made kickoff once this year
gotta get those last minute beers in the parking lot
i like lose women
I would call him a scumbag
But that would be a disservice to bags filled with scum.
"I’ve established a reputation for integrity. I have maintained those high standards" - Craig James
Were is the long term love for Tech
Why is Tommy Tuberville renting a home and promising championships? Seems odd to me not to buy a house in Lubbock area given a $500,000 raise and land prices depressed. Tuberville action speaking so loud I cannot hear him any more.
He could get a double-wide for that kind of money.
Simple rule of thumb: Everything before the but is BS.
with a big ass gold mermaid fountain out in the front yard
No bullfights. No gambling. No donkeys. No vanilla extracts. No piñatas. None of that stuff. Straight football. No switchblades.
by San Antonio Red Raider on Nov 1, 2011 6:44 PM CDT up reply actions
Wouldn't this be better?
I knew only you could appreciate this SARR

"Again, once you employ childish language..(even when camouflaged behind parentheses)….the balance of your post is easily ignored. At that point, the impression is you are more interested in hurling invective than seriously contributing to the discourse." - ForestFlyer
that would look sweet out front of my double wide.
No bullfights. No gambling. No donkeys. No vanilla extracts. No piñatas. None of that stuff. Straight football. No switchblades.
by San Antonio Red Raider on Nov 2, 2011 7:21 AM CDT up reply actions
From the Presser
Q. Can you share any of his half-time
message with us and what that meant to the
team in the second half?
SETH DOEGE: Adam’s?
Q. Yeah.
SETH DOEGE: I honestly I guess I was
focused on what I had to do. I must have been
talking to Coach Brown, because I didn’t hear it.
Simple rule of thumb: Everything before the but is BS.
I'm sure it was epic.
And it totally got everyone ready to play.
Be a team. Be the most excited to play. Be the best at doing your @#&$ing job.
That is why
the team has played terrible since that speach. Now, that is a teller of all for me. I fhis speach was actually inspiring, the team would have played lights out during that same time frame. Just my take.
TTpilk
"Never, never, never give up." Winston Churchill
so the speech worked in referse
"I feel sorry for the guys," Tech head coach Tommy Tuberville said. "They fought hard tonight. We didn't look good on offense or defense at times, and at times we looked pretty good. It's just, I don't know. Weird game.
oop reverse
"I feel sorry for the guys," Tech head coach Tommy Tuberville said. "They fought hard tonight. We didn't look good on offense or defense at times, and at times we looked pretty good. It's just, I don't know. Weird game.
Results seem to verify that, if that is why they have tanked.
It could be something else, but with sooooo much emphasis being placed on how inspiring James is for the team, one must wonder why that inspiration does not show up on the scorboard.
TTpilk
"Never, never, never give up." Winston Churchill
my opinion
I hate the kid. He’s a skidmark on our team and university. Can’t wait to see him go.
teach me how to doege
by wrench_raider on Nov 1, 2011 7:10 PM CDT via mobile reply actions
Just listened to Jason witten talk about the clunker they laid against Philly. I hope we have a few witten’s on the team, he has the right mindset.
"Trust your gut....mine always finds good Mexican food"
-Me
by oldschoolraider on Nov 1, 2011 8:24 PM CDT via iPhone app reply actions
I liked this from this week's Presser.
Q. Can you guys get more consistent?
SETH DOEGE: It really comes down to
playing on Saturday because we’ve been
consistently good practicing all week. It gives us
an opportunity to win the game. It all comes down
to being ready to go on kickoff and executing and
being excited to play and everybody doing their job
one play at a time.
That stuff kinda sounds familiar.
Simple rule of thumb: Everything before the but is BS.
Brilliant
So while the rest of you wrestle with your precious moral ambiguity, His feats will be memorialized by the scribes who are paid to write them (or else). - London Raider
by raider realist on Nov 1, 2011 9:42 PM CDT up reply actions
Now we are making some headway.
Its not when you say it, but how you say it.
"I feel sorry for the guys," Tech head coach Tommy Tuberville said. "They fought hard tonight. We didn't look good on offense or defense at times, and at times we looked pretty good. It's just, I don't know. Weird game.
I'll be honest with you guys...
I logged on this evening and saw them comment count on this article, and thought I had missed a game thread.
Opinions are different, no doubt. Adam has been a hot topic around these parts for a while now.
I think everybody needs to Netflix The Karate Kid and watch it this evening.
" Answers --Become Resources."
Without Questions, There are limited Resources...
this is incredible, by midnight it will be at 1,000
We need a DTN party, The Good, The Bad, and KWash.
"I feel sorry for the guys," Tech head coach Tommy Tuberville said. "They fought hard tonight. We didn't look good on offense or defense at times, and at times we looked pretty good. It's just, I don't know. Weird game.
Pretty quiet here now, don’t think it will get to 1000 tonight.
Simple rule of thumb: Everything before the but is BS.
You don't think were still pissed about Saturday do ya.
I haven’t even started thinking about The Thorns yet.
"I feel sorry for the guys," Tech head coach Tommy Tuberville said. "They fought hard tonight. We didn't look good on offense or defense at times, and at times we looked pretty good. It's just, I don't know. Weird game.
Naw, I think we are just ready to be pissed about this coming Saturday. My guess is that we play it close.
Simple rule of thumb: Everything before the but is BS.
by FriscoRaider on Nov 1, 2011 10:05 PM CDT up reply actions
Is that a challenge?
Because I remember a few years ago RdrPwr, Tech92 and myself kept a thread going into the whee hours of the morning discussing absolutely nothing. Very Seinfeld like.
We need to discuss this weekend and the game at hand.
" Answers --Become Resources."
Without Questions, There are limited Resources...
Well I just filled up, good for a littel while
"I feel sorry for the guys," Tech head coach Tommy Tuberville said. "They fought hard tonight. We didn't look good on offense or defense at times, and at times we looked pretty good. It's just, I don't know. Weird game.
Doubt that I will be around that long, just having my Weller and water for a late night snack.
Simple rule of thumb: Everything before the but is BS.
by FriscoRaider on Nov 1, 2011 10:07 PM CDT up reply actions
We need Beergut
That guy can fill a thread all by himself….I have seen him do it!
"Again, once you employ childish language..(even when camouflaged behind parentheses)….the balance of your post is easily ignored. At that point, the impression is you are more interested in hurling invective than seriously contributing to the discourse." - ForestFlyer
435 posts last Saturday on game thread...
408 were BG. Go look for yourself. Could have been 345 but still…I digress.
Yeah, that is a pretty normal thing for him on gameday
"Again, once you employ childish language..(even when camouflaged behind parentheses)….the balance of your post is easily ignored. At that point, the impression is you are more interested in hurling invective than seriously contributing to the discourse." - ForestFlyer
It must be that all of his guys are too busy standing up the whole game in front of their TVs
"Again, once you employ childish language..(even when camouflaged behind parentheses)….the balance of your post is easily ignored. At that point, the impression is you are more interested in hurling invective than seriously contributing to the discourse." - ForestFlyer
Plus I bet it is hard to type and hang on to a sheep all at the same time...
"Again, once you employ childish language..(even when camouflaged behind parentheses)….the balance of your post is easily ignored. At that point, the impression is you are more interested in hurling invective than seriously contributing to the discourse." - ForestFlyer
Shit. I know you are joking with KWash, but in an attempt to be consistent and so that someone doesn’t take what I police or don’t police out of context, no name-calling.
Go Raiders . . .
Double-T Nation
You will love this;
I have four Horned friends who got us six tickets to the game Saturday, Greg calle me just now to tell me that they could only get 4 together and my wife and I will have two tickets away from them. Two years ago we all sat together and when they took off Potts head I went crazy. They said they would never sit with me again. I guess they meant it.
"I feel sorry for the guys," Tech head coach Tommy Tuberville said. "They fought hard tonight. We didn't look good on offense or defense at times, and at times we looked pretty good. It's just, I don't know. Weird game.
That was a bad hit
dvr slow mo his chin strap and contact came out. Game look like maybe had a chance before that hit.
by Chuck&Duck for 6 on Nov 1, 2011 10:16 PM CDT up reply actions
Ugly ugly.
Simple rule of thumb: Everything before the but is BS.
by FriscoRaider on Nov 1, 2011 10:18 PM CDT up reply actions
maybe we show the GH to Crabs 2008 catch, and the 2009 hit to Potts, maybe that should be our pre game speech.
"I feel sorry for the guys," Tech head coach Tommy Tuberville said. "They fought hard tonight. We didn't look good on offense or defense at times, and at times we looked pretty good. It's just, I don't know. Weird game.
I am looking above at the avitars, I see snakes, armadillos, harleys, and old school.
Hell of a site.
"I feel sorry for the guys," Tech head coach Tommy Tuberville said. "They fought hard tonight. We didn't look good on offense or defense at times, and at times we looked pretty good. It's just, I don't know. Weird game.
Yeah but how many others on here stole theirs from a beer can?
Simple rule of thumb: Everything before the but is BS.
by FriscoRaider on Nov 1, 2011 10:21 PM CDT up reply actions
I like the way we do things around here.
" Answers --Become Resources."
Without Questions, There are limited Resources...
So, is there a game this weekend?
I was thinking of watching it maybe.
2011 Season - No excuses. Just win!
I have been in and out all day, do we have to pay for it
"I feel sorry for the guys," Tech head coach Tommy Tuberville said. "They fought hard tonight. We didn't look good on offense or defense at times, and at times we looked pretty good. It's just, I don't know. Weird game.
by Btech on Nov 1, 2011 10:23 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
that does not sound right
"I feel sorry for the guys," Tech head coach Tommy Tuberville said. "They fought hard tonight. We didn't look good on offense or defense at times, and at times we looked pretty good. It's just, I don't know. Weird game.
Keep that up and you will wake Austin
Simple rule of thumb: Everything before the but is BS.
by FriscoRaider on Nov 1, 2011 10:26 PM CDT up reply actions
I'm up!
And I have a reply at the tip of my tongue but I’m biting it back…it’s pretty funny too!
Be the kind of woman that when your feet hit the floor each morning the devil says, "oh crap, she's up".
Top ten moment of my life
Don’t know if my life is that dull or if that play was that badass, but it was amazing
The chicken is involved but the pig is committed
by maddraven1716 on Nov 2, 2011 12:38 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Ward needs
to catch one like it would turn the lights out in the tower ha ha
by Chuck&Duck for 6 on Nov 1, 2011 10:30 PM CDT reply actions
Ward is the real deal, I wouldn’t be surprised if he had a big game.
Simple rule of thumb: Everything before the but is BS.
by FriscoRaider on Nov 1, 2011 10:47 PM CDT up reply actions
Here is a wrench....
“Gillispie lauds diverse talents of assistant coaching staff.”
Win or lose, at least the basketball will be entertaining.
TTpilk
"Never, never, never give up." Winston Churchill
Love that comment by c
The chicken is involved but the pig is committed
by maddraven1716 on Nov 2, 2011 12:35 AM CDT via mobile reply actions
Meant corker
That shows a lotof maturity. It’s a big deal telling a wr to change to corner, he could be a big help
The chicken is involved but the pig is committed
by maddraven1716 on Nov 2, 2011 12:37 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Im just
commenting to add to the comments count to see if we can get to 1,000
"Odds are its something simple" - @Coach_Leach
575
What ever happened to the SB Nation poll that might win DTN something?
never play cards with Acinonyx jubatus. They're cheetahs.
Very good Post, Seth
1. #82 – People change. I’m willing to at least ignore the lad, if not give him another chance to contribute to the team.
2. Tuberville. I still haven’t given him my approval card. But I did pull it out of my back pocket after we beat OU, only to want to tear it up after last Saturday’s disgrace. The only thing that would make the Cyclone loss bearable is a win over Texas. I could eat that WLW sandwich!
3. I disagree with Tuberville’s view of the win over OU and last week’s loss, he says:
COACH TUBERVILLE: If you had told me I could have won one of those two games, it worked exactly the way we wanted it to. That’s the one we wanted to win, for us where this program is for the future, because it got us on the map. A lot of people saw that.
I know it was a one-game flash, but it’s still one that went everywhere. Everybody recognized. Everybody noticed. Of course a lot of people noticed last week, recruits, but still the one the week before really put us on the map with a lot of kids that maybe might not have even put us down as a possible look at in the future.
I would have loved to have won them both, but the situation that we’re in and where we want to get to, we need a selling point, and that was a huge selling point.
“It worked exactly the way we wanted it to.” Really?
“…it got us on the map.” Excuse me Coach, but we have been on the map, we have already beaten a #1 Team. We have owned top rankings in several categories, something we are not doing now. It seems to me that Tuberville is more focused on future seasons than next week’s game. We need to focus on coaching and playing solid football week to week.
Guns up for the Horns!
Only to get us "on the map" again the next week?
If destiny says we have to lose one of those and win one, I’m O.K. with beating OU as a semi #1 at home to break their streak and having the let down game the next week. Personal choice, I guess, but I have plenty of experience with Tech let down games and they don’t phase me like they probably should. Tech knocking off a number 1 is something I don’t have a ton of experience with and frankly enjoyed that high more than I fretted the let down. MHO
But I don’t get Tubs way of expressing his take on it at all. Yeah, so we were in the national spot light after knocking off OU, and then we were there the next week as well, Tubs, only this time we weren’t wearing any pants.
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Harvey "Big Daddy" Pollitt: "What's that smell in this room? Didn't you notice it, Brick? Didn't you notice a powerful and obnoxious odor of mendacity in this room?"
If you have an iPhone or gps, you don't need a map.
"As we continue to merely "talk about championships""
Got it, now lets go for 700 by 7, 8 by 8 ,9 by 9, and then 1000 by 10.
"I feel sorry for the guys," Tech head coach Tommy Tuberville said. "They fought hard tonight. We didn't look good on offense or defense at times, and at times we looked pretty good. It's just, I don't know. Weird game.
whats your favorite beer btech?
or drink of choice?
On a scale of 0-100 how boring is it to have cornbread as the head coach instead of Leach?
just trying to get the comments rolling……
"Odds are its something simple" - @Coach_Leach
Oh, you're looking to get this thread to 1,000?
I heard it on good authority that Craig James has turned over a new leaf and is no longer an ass-wipe. Lou Holts has been talking about what a leader he is on the set. Oh, and the ESPN brass says he’s working harder than ever and has him up for employee of the week.
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Harvey "Big Daddy" Pollitt: "What's that smell in this room? Didn't you notice it, Brick? Didn't you notice a powerful and obnoxious odor of mendacity in this room?"
Maybe that is why ESPN loaned to FX for the Texas game broadcast this weekend.
Simple rule of thumb: Everything before the but is BS.
Ok I will try again.
Maybe that is why ESPN loaned him to FX for the Texas game broadcast this weekend.
Simple rule of thumb: Everything before the but is BS.
no way..............
tell me its not true……………….please
"As we continue to merely "talk about championships""
Something about him being so close to the program and being able provide so much insight. He has been wanting to do this for sometime and now it being an FX broadcast he will not be hamstrung. Think he plans to announce his Senate campaign during halftime.
Simple rule of thumb: Everything before the but is BS.
AND…..the 5 dead hookers got better
"Trust your gut....mine always finds good Mexican food"
-Me
by oldschoolraider on Nov 2, 2011 4:02 PM CDT up reply actions
Heck, 3 of the 5 dead hookers want him to run for the senate now.
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Harvey "Big Daddy" Pollitt: "What's that smell in this room? Didn't you notice it, Brick? Didn't you notice a powerful and obnoxious odor of mendacity in this room?"
hell
why stop at the senate? President James? Shit, I’d vote for him
"Odds are its something simple" - @Coach_Leach
perform the act of making love on the University of Texas.
never play cards with Acinonyx jubatus. They're cheetahs.
That's what UT does.....
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Harvey "Big Daddy" Pollitt: "What's that smell in this room? Didn't you notice it, Brick? Didn't you notice a powerful and obnoxious odor of mendacity in this room?"
Just wanted to say I was here on this thread too... Ha!
Beat them Hornos!
Go Tech!!
by Raiderit on Nov 2, 2011 8:47 PM CDT via mobile reply actions
There's always one chuckle-head in the bunch...
I’ll be a little long winded, but please bear with me.
I don’t find it surprising that there seems to be two camps on this team; one side that supports James and considers him a leader, and the other that doesn’t. When I served in the military, I experienced group dynamics similar to what this team is going through.
In our somewhat large shops, there were always one or two people that strove for mediocrity, but yet had the personality type to be inspiring leaders. The discouraging thing was there were numerous people; people we knew had great potential, who flocked around them because they thought these chuckle-heads were “cool”. They looked up to them. Unfortunately these clique leaders would almost always pull mediocrity from their deciples and the entire shop’s (team’s) performance reflected. This is any leader’s (coaching staff’s) biggest challenge.
It doesn’t matter if it is an aircraft maintenance shop or a college football team. The leader’s responsibilty is the same. Lead and teach a group of young adults with various talents, personality traits, needs, and values to achieve the common goal of being the best at what they do. The very idea of there being “two camps” on a single team is not a trait any leader should tolerate, especially when one of those camps draws mediocrity from their teammates. The good leader knows each team player personally, knows their tendancies, and takes the neccesary steps to identify and quash weaknesses and bad behavior, while focusing the entire team to the the goal of winning.
What I saw on the field on Saturday pointed to mediocrity in leadership—- coaches and players. No one seemed to step up, refocus, and settle these guys down. The team looked flat all around because they came in thinking that they were better than ISU. The Cyclones woke them up during the first quarter to the extent they became disoriented and fell into the quicksand. The harder they struggled, the faster they would sink. They reached the point where everyone from coaches, to players, to fans just gave up. The problem is not with this one game, it just came to a head at that point. The success in Norman set them up to expose this team dynamics problem. This should not have happened if the leadership recognized it before the season started, or shortly after.
I hear the statements, “well they’re such a young team” and it makes me roll my eyes. It doesn’t matter. Yes there will be mistakes, but good leaders would recognize that, instead of using it as an excuse. I’ve seen 18 and 19 year old soldiers with complicated crew served weaponry, take out war hardened enemies, while being shot at. Most of these kids had just a high school diploma (some didn’t even have that), yet they knew their jobs and they got the job done 100% of the time. That is directly attributed to leadership and training. The point is, youth should never be an excuse. It’s a bad leader’s cop out. The leader is responsible to take immaturity out as a factor and instill discipline.
As for the chuckle-heads, a college football team has the luxury of benching or cutting them. In the military, you have to play the hand you’re dealt, which means chuckle-heads are adjusted by their leaders and peers, so they are no longer chuckle-heads. That makes it a bad day for the enemy.
Before I forget..
When was the last time you had a steamin bowl of Bevo chili?… Well pardna thats too long!!
WRECK EM!
For the fun of arguing....
which means chuckle-heads are adjusted by their leaders and peers, so they are no longer chuckle-heads.
So you’re in he camp that believes a person can change then?
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Harvey "Big Daddy" Pollitt: "What's that smell in this room? Didn't you notice it, Brick? Didn't you notice a powerful and obnoxious odor of mendacity in this room?"
Change is relative...
Where a team is concerned, yes. I have seen it with some of the most stubborn and “entitled” people I have met.
Leadership can change the attitudes and behaviors of the chuckle-heads on a team but unfortunately, it can’t change personalities. The chuckle-head will still be a chuckle-head outside of his duties but not while he is on the team and has a job to do.
Good answer!
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Harvey "Big Daddy" Pollitt: "What's that smell in this room? Didn't you notice it, Brick? Didn't you notice a powerful and obnoxious odor of mendacity in this room?"

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