Oklahoma St. Cowboys 66, Texas Tech Red Raiders 6 | Post Game Thoughts
by Seth C on Nov 13, 2011 5:28 AM CST
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THE RESULT | I'D RATHER HANG BLINDS | Yesterday, I had to take family photos and I knew that I was going to miss the first two hours of the game, but would be back later to watch. No worries. I get back around 1 p.m. and get a text from a friend saying that there was an offensive FanPost up and that I might want to take it down. At that point I had the opportunity to peek at a score and it was a bunch for Oklahoma St. to a little for Texas Tech. I made a few comments and I went into the living room to start the game, knowing that the score at this point was 66-6, the score of Beelzebub, I dedided that I wasn't going to waste my time with this game and I was going to hang the blinds in the bathroom so I wouldn't be flashing my neighbors (although I'm sure they've enjoyed it) every time I take a shower. So that's what I did and I didn't watch the game. I'm almost too embarassed to watch the game, but I'm sure I will fast forward through it later tonight.
THE STORYLINES
DUMPSTER FIRE | This is really the only way to describe this right? I'm sure there are other words. In fact, I've already had to take down one FanPost for being one of the more leud things ever written on DTN and another asking that Texas Tech hire Joe Paterno. As I warned the person that made the latter FanPost, it's a damned game versus the raping of children, but maybe not everyone can make that connection. Anyway, DTN is a dumpster fire and I'm guessing that there are some folks scurrying around the athletics department offices today as well.
Yes, AD Kirby Hocutt says that Texas Tech is sticking to the plan and that head coach Tommy Tuberville has 100% support:
"Tommy has our 100 percent support," Hocutt said, "and he knows how to win at the highest level in the game of college football. His expectations are to win at the highest level and compete for championships. He’s as frustrated as we all are, if not more. We’re going to continue to give him all the support and resources he needs to get our program to the top."
Hocutt has to say this right now.
Right now.
There are still two games to be played.
I think it's going to get worse, in fact, I emailed a friend last week and we were talking about the season and I said that I was confident that Texas Tech was going to lose the final three games (I was including this game), making the Texas Tech current bowl streak part of the history books. I've always said that Tuberville will have three years no matter what. As of this morning, I think there is a scenario where it could change and Tuberville could be gone at the end of the year, but it just doesn't seem likely in my estimation. That doesn't mean that it can't happen or at this point, I don't want it to happen, but it just didn't seem likely.
And I think this frustrates some because I tend to take a long time to actually come out in favor of firing a coach because I think that in reality it's not going to happen and I don't think that me screaming and yelling or any number of FanPosts will change that. Perhaps, this is a thing where I underestimate DTN's value, but I think that those that are in charge don't read a blog to know whether or not they should retain or fire a head coach. As I think back, I think I gave Pat Knight the benefit of the doubt last year at the beginning of the year and PK ended up making his bed.
The thing that concerns me more than anything else is that if something isn't done at the end of the year, and there are still two games to play, but I'm concerned about the state of the program and I'm incredibly concerned about an apathetic fanbase. What happens after a bad loss is usually anger, but what happens after three bad losses is apathy and that's the enemy that concerns athletic directors. AD's like fans that are angry because those fans have expectations, but fans that are apathetic, those fans don't buy tickets or renew season tickets or buy memorabilia or do much of anything. That's what scares an athletic director and unfortunately for some, the tickets have already been purchased for the Baylor game so that won't be an indication, but there is no doubt that season ticket sales will be down after this year's finish. It's going to be an interesing year.
EVALUATING COACHES | Last week, I caught plenty of heat from a lot of you for not talking about the coaching, or lack thereof. I hope you all know by now that I try to be honest with you all and the way that I write is that I write what's on my brain. I try not to have much of an agenda, but I fully admit that I'm human and most likely I do have my own personal agenda, but I've always admitted that I'm as biased as the next fellow. Last week, which I thought was a new low (boy, was I wrong) I didn't mention the coaching and chose to discuss the fact that it appeared to me, after watching the LSU/Alabama game, that the players at Texas Tech, particularly on defense, seemed like a different caliber of player. I still believe that, but I don't believe that it's the only thing wrong with the program. Just because I don't write about something, doesn't mean that I'm giving anything else a pass. Now, had I written that I think that the coaching is fine and it's only the players, then absolutely, feel free to pile on, but I don't think that I wrote that.
Anyway, last week, it seemed that there were too many problems for me to detail in just one post-game write-up. But I take criticism to heart and so I started thinking that I need to evaluate the coaching on a much bigger scale and thought of five different topics: on-field coaching, roster management, hiring of coaching staff, recruiting, and alumni. I still intend on writing this review at the end of the year, but the first topic, on-field coaching is first and foremost the most important thing and it's easy for me to say that without more wins, Tuberville won't be around much longer and all of those other things won't matter. There was a discussion a while back about whether or not Tuberville would be judged on what his predecessor did, Mike Leach, and I argued that he would in that if he doesn't win as much as Leach did, then for me, there's really no reason to keep Tuberville. Leach set the bar, at least for me, and I want any new hire to improve on what any former coach did. In other words, I always want the program to be better than the previous year.
But overall, I think that Tuberville is doing well one one of those five topics, recruiting, and a lot of the alumni does like Tuberville, but that luster will wane with more L's. So all Tuberville has to hang his hat on right now is the recruiting, which is admittedly good last year.
But the recruiting is secondary to what happens on the field and maybe this is the biggest disconnect. The best recruiting class in the nation will not save any head coach's job.
No matter if I think that the players aren't good enough, there is something horrendously wrong with the coaching on the field. I usually tend to give coaches the benefit of the doubt in that I'm sure that they're not coaching players to run to the wrong gap, or block the wrong player or run the wrong route, but that's apparently happening because talent alone cannot explain 159 to 33 over the past three games. That's not just talent, that's not just coaching, there has to be a huge disconnect between the coaching staff and the players.
I was emailed this NewsOK article by a DTN reader with this tidbit at the bottom of the article:
Texas Tech fans weren't the only ones affected by OSU's big early lead."Those last two plays before the half," Lewis said of a couple Texas Tech snaps, "one of the D tackles told me that the center told him the play. It was going to be a draw twice."
Lewis raised an eyebrow as if in answer to how important quick starts are.
"What else can you say?"
I don't know if this Oklahoma St. player telling the truth or not, but would it surprise you if that's true. And I think that some might think less of C Justin Keown, but I also think that this probably isn't something that's just something that Keown is doing, but I'd guess that it's the cracks are definitely starting to show.
After the game, WR Eric Ward had this to say, and I think it's good advice for the players, but for the coaching staff and the athletic department:
"It’s pretty tough," Ward said, "because you start asking yourself, you start questioning yourself like, ‘What am I doing that’s not being productive?’ Obviously, it’s everybody’s fault. Losing is not like an effort thing, because everybody goes out there and plays good."I think people need to look themselves in the mirror and ask, ‘What am I doing that’s not helping?’ There’s something that’s missing, because we practice hard, we go out and play hard, but effort (alone) doesn’t win games. It’s not a do-good league. It’s an execute league."
So here I've written over 1,500 words on a game I haven't watched because I think that this isn't about just one game.
This program is in disarray. It is a dumpster fire and the next two games aren't going to be pretty or fun, but maybe that's the best thing that could happen, as hard as this is to write. This team isn't competitive on any level.
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I for one appreciate your approach to writing about Tech football
I would hate to see you change that because of 6 or eight people on this board….
I say keep up your objectivity and level headed writing. Earlier this season I thought I saw a team that was beginning to play with heart and that maybe they could begin to turn the corner next year, but I was obviously wrong. (It makes me sad to see some on here taking some satisfaction from our current situation just because it proved them right…, but to each their own.) I am at a loss. I wanted so much for this staff to be successful, just as I would want for any Tech staff, but they just don’t seem to have it. Removing Tubs just guarantees more bad years, but at this point, it does not appear that we have much to lose…
Disheartened in Australia……
"Again, once you employ childish language..(even when camouflaged behind parentheses)….the balance of your post is easily ignored. At that point, the impression is you are more interested in hurling invective than seriously contributing to the discourse." - ForestFlyer
by Filemon G on Nov 13, 2011 6:00 AM CST reply actions 2 recs
Absolutely love your writing, opinions, and commitment to DTN Seth!
Don’t let a few knuckleheads, including myself from time to time, get you down. Passion is our greatest strength (that’s why we read and write on DTN) and our greatest weakness (that’s why we write stupid stuff from time to time).
by Arizona Raider on Nov 13, 2011 7:48 AM CST up reply actions
So my analogy was out of line, but the following post that equated it to the violent slaughter of the even more defenseless is totally cool for you, and Austin, and mojavereject?
“that probably has a great deal of frustration of his own especially since he could have gone to OU but chose this abortion instead. ". Raider1992
"We're hell comin' out of the gates, but we aint't much for stamina"
by OutlawRaider on Nov 13, 2011 8:52 AM CST up reply actions
Huh?
Please read that thread. Tball, Skin Patrol & I were debating the, “he’s just a kid excuse” as a get out of jail free card when a young person pops of at the mouth. Had nothing to do with what you are trying to associate it with.
"Oh, it's already been brought'n!
I did apologize & I meant it. However I was curious as to where people draw lines as to what they find offensive and what they find perfectly acceptable lies, so that I know for future reference what to avoid and what I can comment on without hurting anyone’s feelings. And no, this is not meant to be sarcastic, but rather an attempt to be informed. My dark & sinister sense of humor ain’t for everyone, so let me know what I can & can’t say in addition to Seth’s 3 rules.
"We're hell comin' out of the gates, but we aint't much for stamina"
by OutlawRaider on Nov 13, 2011 12:55 PM CST via iPhone app up reply actions
It's not about "hurting anyone's feelings"
It’s about appropriateness. I would say reference to “abortion” falls under political and/or religion which are two of Seth’s three rules on what subjects not to bring up.
But I’m not even the one who called you out so I’m not sure why you brought me into the issue.
"Oh, it's already been brought'n!
I don’t know what happened, but if there was a reference to an “abortion”, I’d prefer not to use that term as there are other ways to describe things. I also have a loose term not to refer to male or female body-parts. I’m complicated like that.
Go Raiders . . .
Double-T Nation
The word "abortion" can refer to many things.
Movies and Books are aborted. Calls are aborted. Missions are aborted. Plans are aborted. Vacations are aborted. Any disaster that limits the achievement desired can be termed “an abortion” without it having any reference at all to the violent slaughter of the defenseless.
Just a clarification, in case it helps.
Your mileage may vary.
Be looking for Antiswarm's first fiction novel The Last Pilgrims, due out in November of 2011.
Many of us on this site have had many questions...
Many on this board have asked many questions about Tuby and his approach…
..In a way you can say we saw this coming…we want Tech to win,and like you we support our team, and after the OU game many of us were prepared to see us beat ISU at home and then beat Texas, but unfortunately it didn’t go anything like that…
Our concerns seemed to have basis, and losing the way we did to an inferior ISU team and making Tuby’s home record 1-6 at the time made our excitement come crashing down….then we all knew the young Texas QB couldn’t throw, so game planning for that was the key to the game and we did such a poor job executing that real questions were being asked were something like " Everyone in the planet knew they were going to run and we gave up ten frekin yards per carry in the first half!".
The more we asked questions, the more we had concerns and that led to our worst loss this week in our history(is that right?) the questions remain..
I understand that fans want to support our team, but something is very wrong with this team and coach and his leadership style and his "zeal" has been in question and a good example was his pre game comments before the OSU game, as it seems he makes excuses for things that are in his control(and as a business owner I am responsible for the bottom line no matter who or what happens) and it seems like something is wrong, maybe something we don’t know about, but this team and it’s coach are not on the same page.
I for one think it is time to end this experiment and get a new coach at years end, but before this happens we need to remember where this ALL started; with our administration and lack of complete leadership in handling the Leach fiasco and we must as a fan base insist in a major change in our administration; that is the root cause of this "divide" that in some ways may be at the root of Tuby’s problems…It all starts at the top and ever since the Leach fiasco this fan base has been divided and will remain so until moves have been made!!!
"...we must as a fan base insist in a major change in our administration; that is the root cause of this "divide" .."
Couldn’t agree more. The problems at Texas Tech University are systemic. A thorough purge is in order…..a day of reckoning.
by ForestFlyer on Nov 13, 2011 10:41 AM CST up reply actions
I don't yet hold Hocutt responsible for any of this
cTT was not his hire. If you mean the BoR, will never happen. Those guys were hired to do a whole lot more than advance the football program. Not that I don’t share your angst, but replacing those guys due to football failures is a pipe dream – even if Perry received 30,000 emails.
11/12/11...66-6...I once was blind, but now I see.
Not solely about football failure.....
I can produce a long list of failures for which the current administration are responsible. Events on the football field are simply the most visible.
I agree that it’s unlikely that there will be a complete purge. However, it’s well past time for change. So let’s start at the top. Chancellors of major institutions are often replaced (just review this history of the position at Tech).
Change occurs in every organization. Texas Tech administrators are not magically insulated. If alumni, students, and fans of the university demand change…change will occur.
by ForestFlyer on Nov 13, 2011 11:06 AM CST up reply actions
Agreed
There is enough angst to make this happen. We have seen the lack of character in our supposed leaders. Clean house, not for football…..but to restore faith.
Do you really think mr Haney is leasing us ethically? No. Tier 1? Talk.
Let’s find the next John Montford.
This is a 3 ring circus up in here......
by oldschoolraider on Nov 13, 2011 11:11 AM CST up reply actions
I too concur
Just one note, first time I have seen ethically and Hance used in the same sentence.
by Beta Raider on Nov 13, 2011 10:44 PM CST up reply actions
When bruised egos and personal revenge are the driving forces in major decisions, changes have to be made.
Speaking of egos – I know it is fairly common for a large benefactor to pay for buildings and then have the school name the building after them. But something about this Hance Chapel just seems so wrong. It seems more like he is building a memorial to himself.
"I’ve established a reputation for integrity. I have maintained those high standards" - Craig James
Completely agree
After all his ego-driven damage, to the football program and to Coach Leach personally…. It’s disgusting.
Only the BOR can fire Hance
and I just don’t see that happening with this current BOR.
Agree that Perry won’t make any changes to the BOR. Believe this is the situation we will have for at least the next three years (length of Hance’s recently renewed contract).
However, that won’t stop me from rattling their cages.
"Oh, it's already been brought'n!
Many of us on this site has asked many questions...
Many on this board have asked many questions about Tuby and his approach…
..In a way you can say we saw this coming…we want Tech to win,and like you we support our team, and after the OU game many of us were prepared to see us beat ISU at home and then beat Texas, but unfortunately it didn’t go anything like that…
Our concerns seemed to have basis, and losing the way we did to an inferior ISU team and making Tuby’s home record 1-6 at the time made our excitement come crashing down….then we all knew the young Texas QB couldn’t throw, so game planning for that was the key to the game and we did such a poor job executing that real questions were being asked were something like " Everyone in the planet knew they were going to run and we gave up ten frekin yards per carry in the first half!".
The more we asked questions, the more we had concerns and that led to our worst loss this week in our history(is that right?) the questions remain..
I understand that fans want to support our team, but something is very wrong with this team and coach and his leadership style and his "zeal" has been in question and a good example was his pre game comments before the OSU game, as it seems he makes excuses for things that are in his control(and as a business owner I am responsible for the bottom line no matter who or what happens) and it seems like something is wrong, maybe something we don’t know about, but this team and it’s coach are not on the same page.
I for one think it is time to end this experiment and get a new coach at years end, but before this happens we need to remember where this ALL started; with our administration and lack of complete leadership in handling the Leach fiasco and we must as a fan base insist in a major change in our administration; that is the root cause of this "divide" that in some ways may be at the root of Tuby’s problems…It all starts at the top and ever since the Leach fiasco this fan base has been divided and will remain so until moves have been made!!!
by EDCNP on Nov 13, 2011 8:10 AM PS
Watching in the ATL
I was in class yesterday and watching on my laptop. I quit watching when it was 35 -0.
I don’t think a coaching change will do much for us right now. In the words of the immortal Hank Hill, “You can’t put out a tire fire. Just grab a beer and watch it burn.” I am not happy with our current coaching staff, but I think they need one more year. If there is not SIGNIFICANT improvement, then it is time for a change.
Tech was able to find a coach that brought us to national recognition once when we were like this, they can do it again.
Wait till next year!
by Red Raider in South GA on Nov 13, 2011 6:44 AM CST reply actions
This should be the new DTN tagline.
"You can’t put out a tire fire. Just grab a beer and watch it burn."
Now and then we had a hope that if we lived and were good, God would permit us to be pirates. – Life on the Mississippi
by LBKpiratefan on Nov 13, 2011 7:42 AM CST up reply actions
What is your definition of significant improvement?
Any improvement will still be subpar compared to the last ten years. Tubs has to exceed where we have been in the past for me to start to accept him.
I as a tubs apologist until the ISU game, and after what I have seen there is just no excuse. he has to go, sooner rather than later. I have a feeling either NB or Sonnie Cumbie become the sacrificial lamb for this failure. (happy to see NB go, Im done if he lets cumbie go)
Recall the good old days when we could not win (texas and OU)
points;
Worst defeat on record
Junior varsity to Copy Cat U
bottom feeder with Kansas
Holding OU back in the pursuit of a BCS bid
CEO coach who rents a house and does not buy in Lubbock
Poor ticket sales
Can’t give tickets away
I felt sorry for our service members who had to attend and could not leave the last TECH home game
Can we try a new young coach
Evaluating Tuberville after 23 games using Seth's 5 criteria
On-Field Coaching
Overall Record: 13-10 (9-0 non-conference)
Big 12 Record: 5-10
Rivalry Record (UT/OU/OSU/TAMU): 1-7
Home Record: 6-6 (1-6 vs Big 12 opponents)
2010 Total Defense: 114
2011 Total Defense: 108 (as of Nov 6)
2010 Scoring Defense: 93
2011 Scoring Defense: 114
Inconsistent defensive philosophy. Throws 3-4 out the window (a defense which no other Big 12 team runs) after one failed season. Replaces it with 4-2-5 the next season with a new coach. What’s in store next season?
Can you imagine if an "offensive guru" showed up at a team and was only able to muster sub-100 rankings for his teams? Would the excuse of waiting for recruits to arrive really fly?
Can you imagine if the offensive guru came in promoting the spread and after one bad season switched to a run-oriented conventional scheme?
Roster Management
Playing TT’s guys instead of Ruffin’s guys?
Unnecessarily burning redshirts (see Amaro)?
High attrition rate
Decision to play Freshmen over seniors leading to disaffected players?
Inability to use current talent – look at the offer lists of the guys who were here/left. The majority were highly recruited.
Team Morale
Poor leadership?
Split lockeroom?
Pushing AJ crowd forward at the expense of other performers?
Injecting belltower politics into the lockerroom?
Encouraging anti-Leach sentiment?
Denigrating comments about experience, talent, ability.
Team morale, roster management and on-field performance are all closely related.
Hiring of Coaching Staff
Most are inexperienced prior to coming to Texas Tech
TT emphasizes coaches’ recruiting skills over coaching ability
James Willis was a poor hire (3-4 defense); Glascow’s performance has been worse.
Brown’s offense is inconsistent.
Position coaches are inexperienced at the D1-FBS level (except for Matt Moore).
Recruiting
Recruiting has been based on TTU’s recent success and TT’s track record in the SEC.
(i.e. Keep the Air Raid build an SEC defense)
Losses suggest this sales pitch will be harder to make going forward. TTU’s recent bad losses will be used against us in recruiting.
Do recruiting rankings really matter anyway? See: Wisconsin, TCU, Virginia Tech, Kansas State, Michigan State etc
Alumni
Caters to one element of the fan base
Divider not a uniter
Fan support is waning based on performance on the field
How much fund raising has TT actually done? (myth versus reality)
"This time it's different."
by LondonRaider on Nov 13, 2011 6:49 AM CST reply actions 7 recs
Sorry, should be 8-0 non-conference
2010
SMU
New Mexico
Weber State
Northwestern
Houston
2011
Texas State
Nevada
New Mexico
"This time it's different."
by LondonRaider on Nov 13, 2011 6:55 AM CST up reply actions
rather stunning isn't it?
And this was the guy we were told who had all the answers. After all it’s just the Big 12.
by Arizona Raider on Nov 13, 2011 7:58 AM CST up reply actions
oh interesting,
recruiting ability versus coaching ability. indeed. personally i’m a big fan of coaching ability. maybe you didnt have the best recruits, but you are an excellent coach and motivator and therefore you know how to bring out the best in people. obviously the best coach would be someone who can do both very well. i dunno, maybe like urban meyer or gundy or saban, holtz, etc, or any of those guys (not trying to get a rise out of anyone, those just came to mind….). one could argue all day about “oh, it’s the school and the tradition and all the best guys want to go to those schools anyway”, Well, yah, that plays into it, of course. But I have a sneaking suspicion that the best coaches, and the best motivators, will always bring out the heart and cohesiveness in a team.
by Jameson Vernon on Nov 13, 2011 2:19 PM CST up reply actions
You nailed it, LondonRaider
Right on the money on all if it.
Most of my complaints have been directed at some if this, particularly the defense that’s lousier than ever and worse than we could have imagined!
All from an sec guy who supposedly knew defense and came in spouting “championships!”
by redraider90 on Nov 13, 2011 3:22 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
When it's this bad, you don't need to look very far
Tubs lost this team after the UT game….maybe even before then. And when the leader cannot lead anymore, when the players stop listening, and perhaps the assistant coaches stop listening, that’s when you know.
And it would not surprise me that players were tipping off the other team on the play call. That’s when you know.
When a good offense cannot score against one of the worst defenses (statistically) in college football, that’s when you know.
When one of the “leaders” of your team is someone who destroyed the job of the former head coach, and laughed about it. That’s when you know.
When 75% of the crowd leaves at halftime. That’s when you know.
When your own Red Raider radio commentators start making comments….that’s when you know.
So what it is that we know? People don’t care anymore. Players don’t care anymore. Coaches don’t care anymore. Season ticket holders don’t care anymore. They would rather hang blinds. They’d rather talk about basketball.
Holcutt….heard enough?
by candyroll on Nov 13, 2011 7:09 AM CST reply actions 6 recs
When season ticket holders
stop buying season tickets, or any tickets. Holcutt can’t miss it.
i like lose women
season tickets
We’ve had season tickets since the 1980’s. Bought two more in 2004. Let two go in 2010 after Leach got fired; not in protest, but because my sons no longer wanted to watch TT football without Leach. Did not use any of our remaining tickets this year. Probably will let these go next year.
btw, I’m not a TT alumnus, none of my kids went there, and i live 200 miles away. So it’s not like I’m being disloyal to an alma mater. I was a fan; specifically a Leach-style TT football fan.
If the insane would happen and UNM would hire Leach, I’d probably buy LOBO football season tickets. I’m not a UNM alumnus either. Just a fan.
by Nm RaiDer FAn on Nov 13, 2011 9:37 PM CST up reply actions
UNM won yesterday!
They actually won their Senior Day game. We weren’t even competitive in ours.
I don’t think that you can really judge team morale, which is why I didn’t include it. Other than to say if the team is winning, then it’s great, if it’s not, then not so great. Team morale is really speculation unless someone speaks candidly or the quoted passage about Keown maybe giving OSU the play before it happens (or maybe it’s Keown being sarcastic as to what he thinks OC Brown is going to run). With the other 4 things, I think that we can judge those items based on what we see on the field, the recruits that commit and we are the alumni, so there’s that.
Go Raiders . . .
Double-T Nation
See your point but ...
there have been two player only meetings after the last two losses. This tells me all I need to know about morale. Don’t know the content of those meetings, but do know what happens in general in those meetings and they can go two ways. I fear they have gone the wrong way and would imagine that there has been a tremendous amount of resentment built up toward those not doing their jobs and/or talking behind others backs.
by Arizona Raider on Nov 13, 2011 7:55 AM CST up reply actions
Agree
about speculation re morale – I tried to put question marks against the speculative points for that reason. . . .
Maybe it’s a lovefest in the locker room, but know one knows what to do? That’s another possibility too.
Like you said, there is no real way to know without being there.
"This time it's different."
by LondonRaider on Nov 13, 2011 11:12 AM CST up reply actions
Frankly
I don’t care about their morale. Take a crack at explaining the below:
Q. Getting back to where your career started, did you ever think you would have gotten here?
JUSTIN KEOWN: What do you mean by that question?
Q. Well, as successful as you were at the start of your career —
JUSTIN KEOWN: No, I think we’re still successful. It doesn’t show it in the win and loss category, but we’re still successful as a team and a program. We’ve got better coaches, better recruits, we’ve just got to put it together.
This is a 3 ring circus up in here......
by oldschoolraider on Nov 13, 2011 11:14 AM CST up reply actions
He's mistaken.
"This time it's different."
by LondonRaider on Nov 13, 2011 11:33 AM CST up reply actions
They have
Been led to believe that they have already accomplished something. Insert generational rant here and comment about #82 being emblematic of this teams futility
This is a 3 ring circus up in here......
by oldschoolraider on Nov 13, 2011 11:44 AM CST up reply actions
They're all mistaken...sigh
"This time it's different."
by LondonRaider on Nov 13, 2011 12:06 PM CST up reply actions
It doesn't matter if you loose by 1 point or 50 points .....................
Hell, it doesn’t seem to matter to this player if they ever win !!!
Or just a kid answering a question
Incredible how we can forget that these are just kids and this is just a game…
"Again, once you employ childish language..(even when camouflaged behind parentheses)….the balance of your post is easily ignored. At that point, the impression is you are more interested in hurling invective than seriously contributing to the discourse." - ForestFlyer
Ever find your Tubs "gonna climb up into the seats to defend AJ" smoking gun??
"Again, once you employ childish language..(even when camouflaged behind parentheses)….the balance of your post is easily ignored. At that point, the impression is you are more interested in hurling invective than seriously contributing to the discourse." - ForestFlyer
I agree. I know he said it.
I was just commenting on the attempts to find it in order to “tell on him”..
"Again, once you employ childish language..(even when camouflaged behind parentheses)….the balance of your post is easily ignored. At that point, the impression is you are more interested in hurling invective than seriously contributing to the discourse." - ForestFlyer
Wow
Yes I did. FOX34 sent me the audio link which I shared with the alumni association and Seth. I intentionally did not post it here because I did not want to incite unnecessary negativity.
"Oh, it's already been brought'n!
Obviously we have very different perspectives Filemon
where you see me “tell(ing) on him”, I see it as trying to hold those in positions of responsibility accountable.
However, I have no doubt that we both share a love of Texas Tech, the university as well as the football program.
"Oh, it's already been brought'n!
Kids? They are acting like grade schoolers. But they're all adults
2011 Season - No excuses. Just win!
Were you referring to the to the players or those of us here on DTN??
Could apply to both..
"Again, once you employ childish language..(even when camouflaged behind parentheses)….the balance of your post is easily ignored. At that point, the impression is you are more interested in hurling invective than seriously contributing to the discourse." - ForestFlyer
Kids
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fe4EK4HSPkI&ob=av2n
Great song. Bad excuse.
2011 Season - No excuses. Just win!
Has Tech collapsed?
I believe the turning point that broke the back of this team is the Iowa State loss. It wasn’t just a letdown after the Norman victory, it was a total collapse. What happened to Tech? There were some signs the offense was trying to get it back last week, but off the cliff they went particularly yesterday. I see above normal defections with last years recruits and this year’s commits. This team has lost confidence in themselves and its coaching staff .
Eric Ward in yesterday’s post game comments said it best when he said "When some things don’t go our way, we tend to shut it down, not go as hard," he also said "I can’t tell you when it was," Ward said, "because we all went out there and played hard. But I can just tell you: I felt a vibe like people losing it, like not giving it their all anymore". We need more players like Ward and need to oust those that "…shut it down".
The real question that needs to be asked, is Tuberville and staff up to playing those that give 110% and ridding the team of those that don’t? If not, we need to change the staff. God forgive, if we have player(s) passing on plays to the opposing team. I seriously hope this is not true. Tech has come too far to have the team torpedoed with abysmal play like it has in the last three games.
"It's time to get down to serious business"
I agree about the Iowa State loss but...
…you meant this years loss. This all started after last years ISU loss.
I, like Seth, did not watch a down of this game. I am so mad at how this team has given up and I blame it all on Tubby.
The good thing is that I got to play golf instead of hang blinds.
by barneg on Nov 13, 2011 7:53 AM CST via mobile reply actions
When you have a season this bad
people notice. And I think that is the most disappointing thing. Under the previous regime we most definitely lost some games we should have won and vice versa. But we did just only lose a few of those games. I think losing as many games as we have this year, in the fashion which we have lost them we enter into the national spotlight as a team who sucks. I absolutely hate that for TTU. The the comparison of Tubby to Mike Singletary and the 49er’s is a valid one. I appreciate the mentoring and care for the athlete’s that Tubby has. I will always route for the nice guy. Unfortunately, being nice doesn’t win you championships. The only thing that wins championships is winning…which we have consistently not done.
I don’t want to be known as the team that sucks on a national level. I don’t know what the next step is. I believe Seth is dead on with his concept of the the “apathetic fanbase.” I admit that I am on that list. I love Tech football, but have not been immersed in it the past two years as I have in previous years. For that I repent to the congregation. But I guess I represent the normal, couch sitting fan who makes maybe 1 game a year demographic.
Getting our hind parts handed to us in a paper sack three weeks in a row is really embarrassing. If we lose by a touchdown or 2, I think most people are still fighting for this team to pull out another win…but with three epicly bad losses like this, I see little hope for the immediate future.
Now and then we had a hope that if we lived and were good, God would permit us to be pirates. – Life on the Mississippi
by LBKpiratefan on Nov 13, 2011 7:56 AM CST reply actions 1 recs
When we lose by a TD or 2
at least the post-game discussion is about football – stupid play calls, mistakes, whatever. That’s passion. Now there’s no reason to discuss game specifics = apathy.
All we have to is...
Go out there and win one game a week…. If we can just win 1 game a week we would be good.
Saddest Thing I've Ever Seen
Go watch the “highlights” of the game on texastech.com.
Really, really sad. NUFF Said.
Went to the game, stayed to the end.....
I can’t say I disagree with Hocutt, I just hope that’s “his” evaluation of the situation, and not the evaluation of his superiors telling him what he will and won’t do….
From the outside looking in….this is the worse I have ever seen Texas Tech Football….even the 1-8-1 Jerry Moore team, there was hope, because Moore had red shirted everybody, (he was redshirting seniors) Most players on the field were walkons or seniors who refused to redshirt…with the philosophy that he could stock pile players for the next year then combine them with new recruits and build a foundation for the future (didn’t work BTW)…..THIS is just chaos!
Has the game just passed Tuberville by?
Can he just not coach in a league dominated by offense?
I don’t have any answers…but I know from what I saw yesterday..neither does Tuberville.
Sick
I think this quaote from Seth captures some of the reason I am now trying to distance myself from hoping for a turnaround.
bq. That’s not just talent, that’s not just coaching, there has to be a huge disconnect between the coaching staff and the players.
I believe that the play calling the last few weeks has been pathetic. We suffered no major injuries on offense. We should have been able to put up 28-35 points on all of the last three opponents, but we seldom even threw the ball past the first-down mark. The little three-yard prayers that Doege threw in the flats were a pathetic way to settle. And I like this guy. Something is really really wrong at a deep level.
What to do? Something must change. We all joked about how bad New Mexico was earlier this year. Now, we are becoming them.
There was no life, no spark, no emotion, no “give a damn” out there on the field. Yes, that is infectious, because it carries over to the fans. If the fans don’t give-a-damn, the athletic support is gone, and like it or not, football pays for all other sports. Something must change, Kirby. And whether or not changes occur, I will be here to cheer, but I have lost my zeal, and it looks like the players and some coaches have too.
by RRaider5355 on Nov 13, 2011 9:02 AM CST reply actions 1 recs
A year late.
In some respects, I expected the letdown from Leach’s tenure to have happened in Tuberville’s first year.
Like some other posts, I suspect Tuberville will be around one more year IF HE CHOOSES TO DO SO.
I could forsee a scenario in which he starts putting out feelers for other coaching positions (i.e. Misssippi, some other SEC or ACC position).
That'd make a great attraction at the South Plains Fair!
The “Throw poop at Tubs’ head” booth, to benefit your favorite charity.
Times running out...for some of us.
I have been a die-hard Tech fan and alumni since 1968 when I first enrolled, received my degrees in the decade of the 70s and 80s, and contributed money. I will continue to do so until they scatter my ashes to the 4 winds. I have hoped for a championship these past 45 years. This is the worse 3 defeats I have seen in all these years. The Tech football program needs turns this around quickly, I and some others on DTN don’t have 45 years to wait.
"It's time to get down to serious business"
Apathy
Years ago I was passionate about the Cowboys. Now it’s Sunday morning and I couldn’t tell you what their record is, who they play, what time they play, or if they even play today. The only thing keeping me from feeling that way about Tech right now is a kind of perverse pleasure I get from watching the implosion – pleasurable only in the sense that more failure will hasten a change. It’s still too painful to think we probably have at least one more year of this.
Normally I acknowledge that you have to give a new coach some time, even if you have a down period during the transition. But there’s something about Tubs that is just bizarre. He denies he’s lost the team when any fool can see he has. I’ve never seen a coach who repeatedly blames the players for everything a coach is supposed to control. It’s no wonder they have a lack of confidence. Coaching is this man’s profession and yet he is breaking all the basic rules.
Why in the world does he keep dividing the fanbase by repeatedly taking pot shots at Leach? He wasn’t even involved in that mess. Same question about his constant praise for #82. I can’t help but think that this is at least one source for the apparent division among the players. Does he really think that kissing up to Hance will excuse the disaster he’s put on the field? (Maybe it will.)
It’s not just the X’s and O’s that is driving me to apathy. It’s the realization that something is rotten in this program – rotten to the core.
"I’ve established a reputation for integrity. I have maintained those high standards" - Craig James
My feeling
exactly, you saved me from typing the same, sadly.
Just stop supporting them.
The only solution to the Tuberville problem is to let it completely bottom out. It has. Now it is time for the power players to realize it has bottomed out. They will. When the stands are empty, and all revenues from Tech football decline the change will be made. I hate this approach but being passive aggressive or aggressively apathetic is about all you have left .This is based on the assumption that the people in charge actually care about the football team. They may not really give a damn if we win or loose.
Dumbfounded
I simply can’t get my head around the poor offensive performances. We’ve seen this offense perform very well earlier this year. Doege has looked great. Now, they are absolutely pathetic. I can, to some degree, understand the defensive struggles, but I simply can’t get my mind around what’s happened on offense.
It's how you cook a frog
You don’t throw him in a boiling pot because he’ll jump out. You put him in a pot of water and slowly turn up the heat. He never knew what hit him.
This offense has been slowly dismantled so no one really remembers what a great offense is supposed to look like. This will make it easier for Tuberville to run a 2 TE, 3 FB set next year. He’s proven to us that the spread offense just doesn’t work anymore. He threw us in a pot and slowly turned up the heat.
No bullfights. No gambling. No donkeys. No vanilla extracts. No piñatas. None of that stuff. Straight football. No switchblades.
by San Antonio Red Raider on Nov 13, 2011 10:06 AM CST up reply actions
Wait till PETA hears about this.
Feigned outrage on my part.
Simple rule of thumb: Everything before the but is BS.
by FriscoRaider on Nov 13, 2011 10:08 AM CST up reply actions
Like I was telling my brother at the game...
I pointed to the OSU offense and said “Here is the famous Leach Air Raid offense, which is being run to perfection by the Cowboy offense!”
by djn on Nov 13, 2011 3:32 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
he is anti spread offense and juco players. The two things that won Auburn that NC after he was canned.
by ST04 on Nov 14, 2011 10:05 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Ward
Ward also said that the team quit out there. To me that starts with the head coach, or the team has turned on the coaching staff. Overall this team is sad to watch. How much longer can RRS, Tech Talk, and people who can form their own opinion continue to blame a coach that is no longer here?
Personal Financial Planning student graduating in December 2011, job offers welcome
If the team quits...
The head coach is done. No way you can “honestly” spin that, although the “belltowers” surely will—until the poketbooks start hurting too much!
Goes back to the report last year that Tubs hates it in Lbk
I dont doubt for a minute that it wasnt true. i think he knows he cant go anywhere after next season if the continue to fail. Wouldnt be surprised to see him go anywhere after this year, just so he doesnt get caught with the stink of a failing program, tuck tail and let someone else deal with it.
Not sure that it was tubs so much
More of it was his family from what I was told, and by now they very well may have settled in the new spot nicely.
It was the haboob that made the difference
"I’ve established a reputation for integrity. I have maintained those high standards" - Craig James
Confidence
This team is about confidence. Or lack there of. The OU game we started fast and OU didn’t take it away until they almost came back. Even in the win we almost lost a large lead. Then Iowa St. started fast and we lost the confidence. Same with UT. Yesterday we were down early. Made a big stop on third down and I felt like we were getting some confidence and the crowd was getting in it. Then the punt fumble took it away. Then the avalanche started coming. We gave up. It’s not about talent as much as believing in what you are doing. The last two years I’ve heard about aggressive defense’s, but yet to see them. Our defense works for TCU because they don’t play anyone. Then their confidence is high and they play well for one bowl game that they have weeks to prepare for. I’m ok with TT losing the first two years as we are changing so much, but 3 huge losses is a hard pill to swallow. One more year to fix it or he should walk.
I'm Done
This team deserves none of my time and hard worked for money to even have them as entertainment. I’m sick of them.
I am a DFW sports fan, and without a doubt I can write off the Texas Tech Red Raiders just as fast as they wrote off every game. I know I am not alone. The Stars, The Rangers, The 2011 World Champion Mavericks, and now even the Cowboys are showing more promise then this team.
Screw them.
I would feel 1000 times better if they were at least trying. By their tackling and even just snapping the ball, it seems as though they don’t give a rat’s ass and honestly, it’s half coaching, and half THIER own fault. They are grown ass men, they made the decision to come here and play, that’s exactly what they need to do. Stopping buying time to offseason.
I’m done. With Hocutt, with Tubby, with Hance, with Neal “I will never be a head coach” Brown, with Glascow, who I have no clue how he got his job because he acts like he has never seen the other 6 guys who play defense.
In honor of my quitting this team, I will retire my Tech ring until further notice, or this team/university becomes something to take pride in.
#FireNealBrown
by ttutyler on Nov 13, 2011 10:21 AM CST via mobile reply actions
This
Sorry guys, but I’m with ttutyler. I love TT, but watching a team not even try (not even try in the first f*cking quarter, I should say) is just not something I can root for.
This doesn’t even resemble the team that I fell in love with. We all know what happened with our captain, and there’s no need to hash that out again.
Overall, not only am I now apathetic, but just sad. We all know that there are more important things than college football, but that’s exactly the point. COLLEGE FOOTBALL IS SUPPOSED TO BE OUR ESCAPE. Instead we’re treated to a team (that is 3 years removed from being #2 in the BCS) that just doesn’t even care to try. I’m really ok with some losses to good teams, but these last 3 games are by far the worst things I’ve seen from any sports team in a long time. Sh*t, my 6 year old daughter’s soccer team tries harder than they do.
To sum up, it’s been real, folks. I’ll stop by every once in a while, but my rabid Tech fandom has been beaten to a pulp by the administration’s ridiculous ego and Tubs’ horrific coaching. I’m just sad, apathetic, and ready for something that isn’t depressing.
Guns Up
by ATLRedRaider on Nov 13, 2011 11:12 AM CST up reply actions
I'll just ignore football then
I live in Lubbock and I don’t have to pay $$$ for gas, hotel room, etc (used to live in DFW, know that $ adds up), but I’m gonna watch BB now since those teams win and have some pride in themselves. My season tickets won’t get renewed unless Tubs is gone next year-PERIOD! I’d urge all season ticket holders to do the same.
That is Texas A&M...
11/12/11...66-6...I once was blind, but now I see.
by Tech92 on Nov 13, 2011 10:30 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Oops
"Oh, yeah. We don't even talk about Bowls much. We're so far away from being a team right now that can have a chance to compete in a Bowl." HC Tommy Tuberville.
Idea for Aggie promo...
Video of uniformed Ags chanting “WE ARE…TEXAS…A&M!” Then the sounds of sheep going “baaaaaahhhh” in the background.
Perfect Storm
Without question this debacle (specifically the last three games) is on Tubs and his staff. NO excuses. Besides the lack of effort, focus and leadership; I think it’s also worth noting some other specific problems with this team.
1) Offensive production/consistency. As bad as this defense is, we’ve seen bad defense before. But teams of the ML era for the most part, and virtually always at home games, found ways to recapture lost momentum and score TDs. The fans, the defense and special teams were energized by the offense.
2) So what’s wrong with this offense?
Number one, defenses have figured out that our QB does not have a big arm. In fact, I’m not so sure he hasn’t been injured, but that’s just speculation. You have to go back to Cody Hodges to find a comparable QB with limited ability. But, Hodges had a better system to work with and maybe a better group of receivers. He certainly had a better defense to support him. Back to the QB issue. Defenses are now playing mostly zone and occasionally rolling up to press on one side or the other. And they will man an inside receiver now and then. But mostly it’s zone because they know Doege doesn’t have the arm strength to hit the “holes” down field. The line splits aren’t as big as the used to be, so making short throws over the middle is tough for Doege. This leaves us with bubble screens and short outs. OU got burned in man coverage. I-State played almost entirely zone as did UT and OSU. Taylor Potts was not without his faults, but he had a big arm and could get the ball downfield against man or zone.
Number two issue is that we continue to waste downs trying to establish the run and the most frequent run is a poor man’s version of the read option with the back moving across the formation. Our O-Linemen are built for pass protection not sustained run blocking, so we aren’t creating much running room. In the old days, with big splits, they could push a defender one direction of the other and we could pop a back through now and then. We could also make a draw work when the D was selling out to get to the passer. We don’t have the personnel to run NB’s offense. Too many three and outs putting an over-matched defense back on the field.
3) The Defense. If you had to pick the worst defensive scheme for this bunch it would be the 4-2-5. You must have big strong inside linebackers. We don’t. As ugly as it was at time, the old 4-3-4 bend, don’t break we used to have occasionally got us off the field.
So we’re in the third defensive scheme in three years and probably the one worst suited for our personnel. Not good.
4) Special teams. We used to be pretty good, not great, but ok on special teams. We are really bad now and the only thing that’s changed is the coaching.
So, we have poor coaching and average talent that is a mis-match for the schemes we are trying to run. Opponents have certainly figured out how to neutralize the offense which was our only potential strength. I’d call that a perfect storm.
Tubs and company tried to sell the idea that they weren’t making big changes to the offense, but this offense is a lot different than the air-raid. Last year when nothing was working, they would revert back to a more aggressive vertical passing game and with Potts they could pull it off. Now they are stuck with NB’s offense and players who can’t run it. The defense is just a hot mess and we’ll need a lot of new faces in order to run this 4-2-5 with any effectiveness.
Next year won’t be any better and if team morale stays in the crapper, we could be looking at something like 2-10. But then, hopefully, we dump Tubs and start the long road back to respectability.
by snc915 on Nov 13, 2011 10:27 AM CST reply actions 1 recs
didnt doege hurt his arm against
A&M on a sack? He hasnt thrown deep since NM or nevada (the play where Moore got injured, who apparently never showed back up. So much for Crabtree 2.0) and when he has its be deplorable. Since that time his INT’s have also increased.
So if thats the case why keep playing him, its obvious he isnt 100%.
It's soo hard to tell from the outside
if the team has truly quit on the coaches. We don’t know what they’re being asked to do in the gameplan and we don’t know the dynamics of the player/coach relationship right now. But it sure LOOKS like the players have tuned the coaches out.
During the sideline shots yesterday, and the last few weeks, the players didn’t look engaged or even mad about what was happening.
Let me see if I can properly explain what I think about players quitting: If they don’t “care,” I don’t think it’s that they don’t “care” about the result. Fairly certain NONE of them like what’s happening this year. But they don’t seem to “care” enough about this staff to rally around them. These are very young men and probably don’t know what it means to play for each other yet. That is a learned trait and some of them have only been playing this sport for 6-7 years. It’s been “play for the coaches” to this point in their lives. If the coaches aren’t able to get the players to rally around SOMETHING, we see what happens: A few bad breaks early and the team throws in the towel…mails in the next 50 minutes of the game. We saw it against UT when we couldn’t get a TD on the first drive.
We talk about self-motivating here from time to time. But thinking more about it, these are also late teens, early twenties men with lots of concerns outside of football. Grades, parents, girls, living arrangements, you name it. It’s up to the coaches to get them focused on the task at hand on game day. That is CLEARLY not taking place.
11/12/11...66-6...I once was blind, but now I see.
by Tech92 on Nov 13, 2011 10:28 AM CST reply actions 1 recs
My First Real DTN Post Ever
I have enjoyed reading this blog for years but I’ve never took the incentivie to actually post a comment (call me a passive fan). I have to give this post game write up an AMEN! I believe Seth’s level headed approach to the blog is one thing which everybody enjoys. However, when I put the past season in perspective I believe the disconnect he talks about between the coaches and the players is the only reason we have played like this of late. Forget winning, we havent even been competitive. Everyone can agree that these players have shown the capability to be competitive, but its the coaches job to put the players in a position to suceed. Our game plan needs to change to match there ability. Our late Captian would win with mediocore players because he put them in position to succeed. Getting stopped on two draws and then getting stuffed on a 5 yard curl route can feel good to those players after too many times. My idea is for Tubberville to show some compromiseand he can stay, but we should hire someone like Kliff Kingsberry at U of H as our OC.
by Raiderofthelaw on Nov 13, 2011 10:35 AM CST reply actions 2 recs
Welcome aboard...good post...
Around here football is bigger than the state of Texas!
by Distant Raider on Nov 13, 2011 10:08 PM CST up reply actions
A little more on Shaun Lewis
http://newsok.com/osu-linebacker-shaun-lewis-embodies-whats-different-about-cowboys/article/3617886
Sounds very dedicated to football and to grades. The media puts him on a pedestal with this article.
Still cant make any sense of this.
Vote with your feet....
What effect would Baylor having more fans than tech at the deathstar? If you keep showing up, no message is sent. We are the consumer and it’s your time and money. If you are not on board with what is going on, it’s your only real way to register a vote.
Don’t get caught up in the recruiting bullshit this year. It’s now going to get worse before it gets better.
This is a 3 ring circus up in here......
by oldschoolraider on Nov 13, 2011 10:51 AM CST reply actions
We already have tickets
to the Baylor game, so it’s too late to do anything about that.
However, I’m seriously considering wearing all my Tech gear…and openly rooting for Baylor, including some sort of banner. If the team shows as much effort as they did yesterday, I will NOT be rooting for them.
by RedRaiderForLife95 on Nov 13, 2011 11:27 AM CST up reply actions
Yeah, I’ve already got tickets, too. Some old Tech classmates of mine have been meeting us at the BU game every year – more of a social gathering than anything else. But if we start getting blown out, I suspect we’ll start beating the traffic home. The old days when anything could happen are long gone.
"I’ve established a reputation for integrity. I have maintained those high standards" - Craig James
Enjoy the friends......
Sorry about the game
This is a 3 ring circus up in here......
by oldschoolraider on Nov 13, 2011 12:17 PM CST up reply actions
Watch section 242 at the Baylor game in the DeathStar
I have 7 tickets together on the 1st row. Sometime in the 1st quarter I am hanging these two signs on the iron railing:
Thank you Jim Sowell
Next time MYOB
Thank You Kent Hance
Nice work
Are those two capable of being shamed? It can’t hurt to try.
2011 Season - No excuses. Just win!
I think Tuberville could turn this around, and my general philosophy is that in sports, winning will solve nearly every problem.
But the proof is in the pudding concerning various claims that there’s a foundation being put in place for future success right now. .500 football isn’t totally out of line with where I thought this team might be towards the end of the season, but the manner in which they’ve capitalized on one of the most stupefying upsets I’ve ever seen in college football by losing the next three games by approximately 11,000-27 means that there’s no building going on here. This is a salvage effort.
Texas 2010 vs. Tech 2011
2010
Mack Brown cleaned the whole house last year and started afresh. The results are not significant but atleast texas is headed to a bowl game this year.
2011
Problems at Tech:
Neal Brown: It appears the opposing defenses know exactly what Neal Brown’s offense is going to do. Brown is too predictable and caves under pressure. Not ready in my opinion for FBS level football coaching yet.
Chad Glasgow: The DC job appears to be over his head. I have never seen a more clue less DC before.
Tuberville: I really had very high expectations of him but when this team is in a crisis mode Tuberville seems to have give up. Instead of encouraging the team and motivating the coaches to atleast make it to a bowl game, Tuberville yesterday told the media that he does not think the team is ready for a bowl game. My biggest frustration with Tubs is that he does not get Tech and her is why:
1. Tuberville does not still realize the importance of beating our rivals especially Texas and A&M (although we wont’ have to play them again). Surprising, because being at Auburn he would appreciate the tradition of rivalries
2. At Tech the expectation was not for him to deliver a championship in his first year of coaching but the team has had a winning record and a bowl game eligibility record for a long time and this was important for us as Tech fans that this continuity remained and Tubs has not respected this.. This makes me now question if Tubs is really the right fit for the job. You would have thought the AD and others involved in hiring Tubs would have made these expectations clear but go figure.
3. AD Hocutt was known in Miami to act and work in conformity with their President Donna Shalala and other boosters and we won’t see him act on his own here. He will carry out the wishes of the admin effectively and efficiently atleast for now.
Only problem is Tuberville
Only really has one more year (if that) to see results. Bringing in another new DC and OC will take time to implement, time he just doent have.
I dont think he will ever get tech soley because he daosnt want to. This was “just a job” to get his foot back in the door in a situation where is hiring would get him the attention he craves. For all of Hance’s flaws, he hates to lose. Hes probably to prideful to admit he was wrong, but can easily have Hocutt do the dirty work and get rid of tiubs while he still retains the position of loving tubs. Win/Win for him.
IN MY OPINION
Adam James is the primary problem. I’m sure Filemon still won’t agree, but let’s look at things:
Fact 1: All the previous coaches thought he was lazy and entitled and tended to quit when he felt like it
Fact 2: Several seniors (many of whom are not performing well now, see: Doege) have cited James as a “leader”
Fact 3: The SERIOUS decline began after the OU game, Adam James “promotion” began in earnest after that game also
Fact 4: Several players (see: Ward) have noted that this team is quitting
Conjecture: We have two groups of players on this team. The first group, “likes” Adam James and goes along with his philosophy, they also think they have “talent” and should be able to do what they want. Maybe they don’t drill the fundamentals as thoroughly, maybe they screw around when they should be practicing. I don’t know but possibly there is a group that SHOULD be called out. The second group does NOT “like” Adam James and is SICK of him being held up as a “star” of this team. (if YOU were playing to your max, even if James was not dogging it, would YOU want to CONTINUOUSLY hear about a guy that you don’t think is better than you? Hear about how he’s having “best year ever” when he’s BELOW the bests (or in some cases, even the AVERAGE) of other players at his position?) To these players, why should they try? What good is giving your best if no one is going to pay attention and instead will give all credit to James.
I can’t PROVE that, but it’s fairly easy to psycho-analyze that, especially since the other option is this team is devoid of talent OR a bunch of quitters for no reason OR our coaching staff is completely incapable of running a team. Considering the previous work, I cannot believe the last. If either of the previous two are the case, then ALL the players (including James) should be cut, period. If none of those three, then I put it on the guy who has single-handedly brought us to this point, and while I do NOT wish him injury and DO hope he heals from whatever injury he may have, I do NOT regret if he’s played his last down for Texas Tech already, and honestly, hope he and his father never step foot on the campus again after he graduates except MAYBE to see the graduation of his brother, whom I have no reason to have a problem with.
"Again, once you employ childish language..(even when camouflaged behind parentheses)….the balance of your post is easily ignored. At that point, the impression is you are more interested in hurling invective than seriously contributing to the discourse." - ForestFlyer
This is about football that is not being played properly. I doubt that we can lay that solely at the feet of one player..
But I know it sure makes some of us feel better. In the end everyone will cling to the warm blanket of whatever helps them cope…
"Again, once you employ childish language..(even when camouflaged behind parentheses)….the balance of your post is easily ignored. At that point, the impression is you are more interested in hurling invective than seriously contributing to the discourse." - ForestFlyer
Yay!
So, the 4 facts I noted above are not in dispute, and ALL 4 point to Adam James having a hand in our poor play. If our players were better or if our coaching was better, then maybe James’ impact is zero, but apparently neither is true, so we have a bad team. EVERY sport (NFL, NBA, MLB, etc.) has examples of “addition by subtraction” or improving by getting rid of a problem. You MUST concede that at bare minimum had we dropped James before the season he wouldn’t be talked about as much as he is. How many teams would LOVE an easy, obvious way to get people to stop talking about a negative?
And that’s the core point I was making before and maintain now, James is a NET negative. Give me ANY “positives” you think James brings to the table, I’ll bet I can give you 2 negatives (minimum) for each and every one. Not that it matters now, since the season is basically done.
What's up?
You’ve been pointing the finger at people and “policing” posts a lot lately. Aren’t you in Australia? Where is the picture of the backwards flushing toilet you promised???
"Oh, it's already been brought'n!
I am in Australia and due to the time difference
I am usually the only one trolling the DTN site…. I am sorry if I appear to be policing. I was just responding as I see things I want to respond too. I really should never be left to play on the DTN board alone…
LOL…darn Aussies have seemed to replace all toilets with the kind that do not create a spiral. They simply push the water down….well most of it but that is not really for this board..LOL
Have yet to see one of these either….
http://youtu.be/5P_blkNZ97s
"Again, once you employ childish language..(even when camouflaged behind parentheses)….the balance of your post is easily ignored. At that point, the impression is you are more interested in hurling invective than seriously contributing to the discourse." - ForestFlyer
Filemon, is there any chance
you would consider changing your avitar/pic? It kinda creeps me out because it reminds me of Hannibal Lector in Silence of the Lambs when they had him on the dolly with the mask on his face.
OSR asked me to change mine about a week ago – it was from the 2008 UT game when the students painted their faces to look like the joker. He said he’s afraid of clowns. So I did. I didn’t want to be responsible for anymore of his nightmares…
Just thought I would ask, you never know!
On a side note, that is a total bummer about the toilets!!
"Oh, it's already been brought'n!
consider the pic changed
We have not really been shocking the monkey lately as a football team so I will find something more appropriate.
"Again, once you employ childish language..(even when camouflaged behind parentheses)….the balance of your post is easily ignored. At that point, the impression is you are more interested in hurling invective than seriously contributing to the discourse." - ForestFlyer
by Filemon G on Nov 15, 2011 6:10 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
the coaching is in a dumpster
& no doubt it’s on fire!
by redraider90 on Nov 13, 2011 1:44 PM CST via mobile reply actions
Notice how many passes we completed that we more than 10 yards!
Nowadays we only throw screens, out routes to the wide side of the field, shallow drags, and curls. Let’s stop pretending to be a spread offense and run the frickin VEER!!!!
by TDRedRaiders! on Nov 13, 2011 2:36 PM CST up reply actions
that felt good
"Oh, yeah. We don't even talk about Bowls much. We're so far away from being a team right now that can have a chance to compete in a Bowl." HC Tommy Tuberville.
It had the opposite effect on me
It made me sad to see how far we have fallen
"Oh, it's already been brought'n!
A Night Game at the Jones
Feel sorry for all those that have never or will never experience this. Truly one of the greatest times in my life (dont tell my wife, I always tell her it was our wedding)
I almost started crying
The stark difference between that team with the energy, emotion and drive compared to this year’s team is just plain sad.
Much les the difference in the crowd and the stadium.
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NUTS - Never Underestimate TEAM Strength
Ahh to have that many upperclassmen and a rare athlete again...
But when I think of 2008 I seem to get stuck on
"Again, once you employ childish language..(even when camouflaged behind parentheses)….the balance of your post is easily ignored. At that point, the impression is you are more interested in hurling invective than seriously contributing to the discourse." - ForestFlyer
Really?
Out of the awesome 2008 season, that is the game you focus on? What a bummer!
"Oh, it's already been brought'n!
before this post...
I thought Filemon just really had a thing for the James family (maybe he’s friends with them or something), but after this I’m really not sure if Filemon just really hates Mike Leach and wants anyone who remembers the last 10 years fondly (for ANY reason) to never remember them ever again.
I'm wondering as well
I’ve had my colorful exchanges with filemon over the years since Leach was done wrong and I just chalked it up to “he has his own reasons” and left it at that. But lately I’m of the opinion that he’s in the camp of people who are clinging with their white knuckles onto the defense of the decision by our admin that they are blinded by reality. Most of the people who are in the same camp as filemon were the same people who years ago defended Leach being fired and said it was a good thing. They now see why a huge majority of our fan base was pissed. We saw this as a step in the wrong direction and a huge hit on our program. They saw it as a step in the right direction. Fast forward a few years and the writing is on the wall now…and it aint pretty. What would you do if you’ve been defending poor decisions for multiple years? You kind of have to ride that horse until it dies in my opinion because you’ve already showed all your cards and burned all those bridges. Just sucks that our fan base is in this situation. I feel for you filemon…maybe it’s time to retire “filemon g” and start a new handle so you can join the dark side….there’s plenty of room over here. But space if running out fast.
Fact is I wish Mike was still our coach. In my opinion he was the single best thing that ever happened to Texas Tech football! I never believed that he should have been fired, but
I saw flaws in him too. I focus on the OU game because it crushed our team’s chances of getting to the place where I so desperately wanted/want them to be and it helps keep the Leach era in perspective for me. I neither hate nor love Tubs, I just want him and his staff to be successful because that benefits Texas Tech. If he quits of they fire him, I want to believe that I will feel the same about the next guy.
I have been a harsh critic of Tubs and NB, probably more so then some of the others who have joined the party lately. I am sure I have dozens of thread posts to prove it. I softened my stance after the Aggie game because, even though we lost, I believed that I finally saw the passion and the fire in the team that I felt had been missing. When the OU win came around, I wanted to believe that we were making progress but in the back of my mind I knew there could still be severe lows to follow the OU high, and I was right.
What frustrates me, is that I do see real evidence of areas where our team is deficient and I wish we could talk about those things. Instead, when I come on to the DTN board, the people that seem to control the daily conversation want nothing else then to continue to relive the Leach firing debacle (either for or against), and/or attack AJ and blame all of it on some kid/young adult. The problems appear to be much larger than that and they will persist long after AJ is gone at the rate we appear to be going. To me he is a non-issue anymore.
The real problems, in my opinion, appear to include the following:
1. Lack of fundamentals. The coaching seems to be failing these kids in all areas. It should not be a forgone conclusion that the other team scores just because they have the ball. Glasgow and Tubs are failing as defensive coaches. Sure we are young, but even young players should be able to come up with stops every once in a while. A good scheme would help to hide some of our deficiencies, but it does not appear that they have a clue how to do that right now. The ability to form tackle is not encumbered by the type of defense you run.
2. I honestly believe that Tubs, really does not know how to coach with a spread offense. I understand that he wants a defensive team and I hope we can get that, but the facts are that we do not yet have the talent to simply outclass opponents, however, we do have talent on offense and we need to milk that for what its worth until we can get the defensive talent we need. This means he needs to let NB run his offense! I saw that someone posted on another thread this NB Tech offense is not the NB Troy offense and I agree. Let the man go and recruit off of the winning that his offense alone might be able to bring….Mike Leach comes to mind.
3. Whether people want to believe this or not, we are young. We are playing with inexperienced players and we are in our third system in as many years. This cannot help as far as understanding the system goes.
4. I question the conditioning that these players are receiving. I don’t know that I have ever seen so many injuries. Some, of course were freak things, but many of these have me wondering about the quality of our S&C coach…
"Again, once you employ childish language..(even when camouflaged behind parentheses)….the balance of your post is easily ignored. At that point, the impression is you are more interested in hurling invective than seriously contributing to the discourse." - ForestFlyer
I have to say
I agree with you on every point. Well said. While I believe we are a young team and have some inexperience I also think this is due to poor planning on Tubs part. He should have seen the situation and recruited for it early on. Using Juco players to help bridge the gap between his high school recruits gaining experience and the implementation of his program would have helped to lessen the blow. Instead all we hear about is how young we are and how our guys have no talent. Good post.
here's my problem...
(and I’m not trying to focus on Leach or overlook his faults, I’m trying to frame the argument I’m making so bear with me)
We know Leach’s system (on offense) was to have a few plays and drill the hell out of them, then on game day simply tweak the look you give the defense but run the same plays, that was noted ad nauseum during his tenure. The key point being that he drilled the hell out of what they needed to do. Leach’s receivers may not have been big, they may not have been fast, but they would CATCH THE BALL.
I say that because that shows that (on offense) we would focus on the fundamentals (I grant that our defense was ALWAYS a mixed bag) during that time. That is important because it is UNDISPUTED that one specific player did not want to accept the coaching of the staff. (or at least, Coach Riley STATED that and no one has disputed it afaik) It is also STATED by some of our current players that the previously mentioned player is currently a “leader” of this team.
Now, forget we’re talking about Texas Tech for a minute, just imagine we’re discussing ANY generic football team. If the “alpha male” player, the guy everyone else defers to, the guy everyone else stands behind (in movies, the guy that is always the quarterback), if that guy doesn’t listen to the coaches, what’re all the players behind him gonna do? If you’ve ever taught (or even just organized) kids before then you know, one kid can make it SIGNIFICANTLY harder to deal with all the other kids (either because he/she gets the other kids to act up OR even because you can’t give the others the time they need/deserve because you need to spend too much time keeping track of the ONE kid). THAT is what AJ does to this team in my opinion.
This is IMPORTANT for exactly this reason: Is it the coaches? Or is it the players? (and I don’t mean talent) That is INCREDIBLY important, because if it’s the coaches, then we need to get new coaches, but if it’s the players, NO coach is gonna succeed while we excuse the players. To me, TO when Jerry Jones got him for the Dallas Cowboys, you can SEE that Parcells (who is/was a GREAT coach) just quit after that, you can literally see he no longer cared. Because he did NOT want TO, but Jones signed him anyway and from then on, Parcells knew Jones had undermined him and that was it. Parcells then finished out his contract and was done.
So tell me this, WHERE is the main problem? Is it the players? Or is it the coaches? Both can be A problem, but only one can be the MAIN problem.
For me
It appears to be the coaching. I understand the effect that one bad apple can have on a team or organization. In the end though it is up to the person in charge to make the changes necessary to right the ship. This is Tubs job, and if AJ or any other player really were/are as bad as advertised then (I only say “if” because I have no direct knowledge) Tubs needs to handle it.
After the loss to Houston ML was faced with the same criticisms about losing the team, players throwing temper tantrums etc. and he was able to salvage it and we appeared to be headed back in the right direction until everything blew up. Tubs should be able to do the same if he truly is a quality head coach. However, to me, if what we are hearing and what we are seeing continues to play out, this looks like the last days at Auburn all over again. I would not be surprised in the least if NB or CG were canned at the end of the year. My fear is that Tubs will do what he did at Auburn and retreat back into “what he knows” in a final attempt to win…and as we all saw it did not work at Auburn.
In the end I feel like we will get year number 3 and that he gets one more shot. Do I agree with this? I don’t really know… I just want stability at Tech with a coach who wants to be at Tech, knows how to get the most out of the kind of kids we get at Tech, who wins more than he loses, graduates athletes, and turns out quality young men. We use to have one that met 4 of the 5 criteria I just listed and circumstances managed to take that away. It pains me to see the pictures of the empty stadium, and hearing the media types laugh at our team. Right now that all has to fall squarely on the shoulders of the Administration and on Coach Tubs.
Fix it or get out of the way TT…!
"Again, once you employ childish language..(even when camouflaged behind parentheses)….the balance of your post is easily ignored. At that point, the impression is you are more interested in hurling invective than seriously contributing to the discourse." - ForestFlyer
at least we don't have to worry about replacing bleachers
Kinda doubt the 4 people left at the game will be able to break any off them.
IMWTx
"We thought we were too good to play Texas f-ing A&M. Now how in the F can that be?" ML
by imisswesttexas on Nov 14, 2011 9:48 AM CST up reply actions
Unfortunately, I was at the "game" yesterday
Apparently, the “AIR RAID” offense is no more. Being a season ticket holder for years, I have noticed that there are no longer any scoreboard references to the AIR RAID, that nomenclature so closely associated with the Mike Leach era. TV announcers do not use the term. It looks like to me that the Tech administration and/or Tuberville and Hocutt management have banned the theme. So sad. That is what Tech football was known for.
At least yesterday, I booed Nancy James during the senior pregame ceremonies. I most certainly did feel better…..and then, the game began. The pathetic performance of this Tuberville-lead team sickened me. I agree with ATL Redraider—football is supposed to be fun for the fans. It is not to be depressing.
Every team loses games, now and then. When, however, there is no passion to be excellent, there is huge performance problems. (This team had enough desire to win, earlier in the year, and last year, under Tubs.)
Fans boycotting the games and Hance observing empty seats will not precipitate a coaching change. Tech’s administration has the Big 12 revenue sharing $$ coming in for the forseeable future. Ticket sales merely keep the lights on at the Jones. Hance is happy with a lap dog coach.
My question (and everybody’s on DTN) is this: What has caused this team to deflate? Is it all of the players, or just some of the players, or is it the coaches’ fault. Some day, someone will “spill the beans” and leak to the press what really happened.
Then the scandal will be on…and a new direction will be made for Tech. Starting over… again….
Journalists, get out there and do your honest job of finding out the culprit(s)! I don’t expect those journalists to include the AJ or DoubleT 104.3.
We, the Tech football fans, deserve an answer! All we want is a REAL team to love!
AJ and 104.3
Don’t expect objective reporting from them. They essentially work for Tech and like the saying goes, they’re “like the fox guarding the henhouse.”
Your post just made me realize
that the Avalanche Journal & Adam James have the same initials. No significance it just makes me go: ugh.
"Oh, it's already been brought'n!
Thank you!
Sometimes read the Statesman online. Whenever I hear someone call that paper a bad name, I call it the"Austin Avalanche Journal."
+1
Lubbock media will never question Tech decisions. Look at Ryan Hyatts twitter he tries to defend Tubs all day long.
I think this is wrong, of all of the reporters / writers / radio hosts not on Texas Tech’s payroll, it’s Hyatt. He may have an opinion, but I think it’s his opinion.
Go Raiders . . .
Double-T Nation
"Hance is happy with a lapdog coach."
This is why, when Tubs is fired and is leaving Lubbock for the last time, Hance needs to be in the trunk of his car. Tubs is a symptom. If you want to kill a weed, you have to pull it out by the roots. This means getting rid of Hance.
by Plateaupartisan on Nov 13, 2011 7:31 PM CST up reply actions 2 recs
conspiracy theory that popped into my head after the "wrong gaps" quote,
conspiracy only, no basis really. But, did Tuberville come to coach in the Big 12 so he could magnify so called shortcomings of the Big 12? In essence solidifying the so called superiority of SEC football and such? Is he losing on purpose, even if his proverbially silver tongue always claims to the contrary? I know it’s far fetched, and i would agree, so you know, just speculating…
Not entirely sure how a Big XII team coached by a former SEC guy losing to other Big XII teams makes the SEC look superior
also that’s a pretty strange goal to risk your personal resume and credibility over.
by mojavereject on Nov 13, 2011 2:46 PM CST up reply actions
conspiracies theories,
usually only make sense to the person who devised it, in an effort to disparage all other logical thinking… but yah, you’re right
by Jameson Vernon on Nov 13, 2011 2:51 PM CST up reply actions
If thr is the pending Leach lawsuit could this be a scheme
That in some ways helps the administration… Not sure how to connect the dots but just maybe thrs more to this conjecture than meets the eye…maybe? ?
by Raiderit on Nov 13, 2011 3:15 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
I think in this case
there’s actually less than meets the eye. The administration thought they were performing a bureaucratic masterstroke by firing an employee they didn’t like, saving some $$ on his contract by doing it for cause, and then making an upgrade in coaching quality all in one stroke. That it’s blowing up in their face is just action/reaction, not some byzantine wheels-within-wheels scheming.
by mojavereject on Nov 13, 2011 5:44 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
good point,
though, by the sound (look?) of what you just said (typed?), it seems like simple financials that the money they might have saved not having to pay Leach contract they went ahead and spent on Tubs anyway. quite a sound investment, as shown by his amazing performance, so far.
by Jameson Vernon on Nov 14, 2011 1:39 AM CST up reply actions
Fix
We all know the problems of the team. As many as there are. I would like to hear some thoughts on how to fix it.
1. The offense only works against below average teams. Where it used to work against everyone. I like the idea of bringing in Kingsbury as OC. He is my favorite Offensive Tech player and started the whole air rade with very little in talent compared to the team we have now. He would have destroyed teams this year.
2. We don’t have the talent on Defense to give someone experience and learn as you go. We need an experienced DC, but one from a smaller school that has had great success with lesser talent. Someone from a power house may be good with great talent, but won’t work at Tech.
3. I would love to see Zach Thomas come back and help the linebackers and defense. He would be great at coaching kids up with less talent. He knows the amount of film time it takes to be great. And best of all. He never accepts losing.
We all hoped TT would bring improvement to the Defense. If we can get some minor things changes on offense and get it back in stride. All me need is a middle of the road Defense. If we could just be top 60 in Defense things could change. We don’t need a world stopper.
Thank You - the other Cowboys!
Atleast this weekend isn’t a complete waste lilke the ISU loss weekend, when Tech, the Rangers, and the Cowboys all lost. Thanks for evening it out Pokes!
Why now is the perfect time to FIRE TOMMY
Believe it or not, as much as I dislike Tommy, I was all for keeping him and his staff through the 2012 season, but after carefully watching what has happened to this team, we need to make a change at the end of the season because:
1. Tommy himslef does not know what defene or what offense he wants to run. Usually a coach has a system and will recruit to that system, and it usually takes two to three years to get your players. The reason we are so bad because Tommy started out recruiting for a 3-4, and then recruited for a 4-2-5. This mean we have hybrid players.
2. Tommy under estimated to competition level in the Big 12. Now he is in full panic mode. This is probalby ground he has never covered before.
Because of 1 and 2, now is a perfect time to cut the strings. We do not have a base line of talent, it is a hybrid mix of talent for a system that Tommy himself does not know what he wants.
Hell, if he wants to run the ball, then go out and recruit big lineman, big fast back and run the ball. If you want to run a 3-4, then go out and get a 350 Nose Tackle. What did he do, he went out to recruit speed for the Sun Belt and Conference USA.
This is only my opinion, but now is the time to pull the trigger. There is nothing to look forward to, because Tommy has not built anything. That is how you lose 66-6.
I’m done.
"Oh, yeah. We don't even talk about Bowls much. We're so far away from being a team right now that can have a chance to compete in a Bowl." HC Tommy Tuberville.
by Btech on Nov 13, 2011 2:55 PM CST reply actions 1 recs
Not just his a**
all of him. Sorry, being a smart aleck is what is getting me through this.
"Oh, it's already been brought'n!
I think he underestimated
The need for a strong, quick passing offense that scores quickly. We do need to improve on defense. But you don’t drastically change up schemes until you have the right players in place. You use the scheme that fits your players.
Also don’t think he understands Tech & the need to play with a “chip on our shoulder” as OSR correctly put it.
"Oh, it's already been brought'n!
a dumpster fire indeed
this team is in shambles. Its official: Tubs has ran us ashore. I have no confidence in this team to win 1 one more game. I fear that our streak will come to an end this year.
Man, what the hell happened?
teach me how to doege
Maybe the team should listen to this song over and over again
Peter Gabriel has said that " I’ve heard stories of people who were down on themselves and some to the point of being suicidal and they kept playing that song (instead). Incredible." ……. the song "Don’t Give Up"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qiu6RMMNERs
"In this proud land we grew up strong …… We were wanted all along …… I was taught to fight, taught to win …… I never thought I could fail …… No fight left or so it seems …… I am a man whose dreams have all deserted …… I’ve changed my face, I’ve changed my name …… But no one wants you when you lose …… Don’t give up …… ‘Cos you have friends …… Don’t give up …… You’re not beaten yet …… Don’t give up …… I know you can make it good" ……
These players are not being taught or coached to fight to play to care. The West Texas and the Red Raider way of doing more with less has gone astray and that has to change and change quickly.
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NUTS - Never Underestimate TEAM Strength
I humbly submit
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Lb3MTlIrC4 for the next time the coaching staff tries motivating the kids by piping music in during practice
by mojavereject on Nov 13, 2011 3:07 PM CST up reply actions
Hey Seth!
As far as your view about what should happen, AKA coaching and other matters—all you have stated is your HONEST OPINIONS about the subject, and that’s the RIGHT THING TO DO! One’s opinions may not always be popular or follow the crowd’s, but honesty is ALWAYS the best policy (my opinions aren’t always popular either). Keep saying what’s honestly on your mind and stick to your guns—I respect your honesty and integrity!
BTW, thanks for this forum. I’ll try to behave, since I know we’re sometimes like a bunch of jubior high kids giggling ove the latest fart jokes!
Whoops!
Should read “junior high kids”—man, I’m having some “senior nano-seconds!”
BTW...
Did you see those god-awful unis on the senior picture on the game program (new black jersies and red pants)? Those were the IOWA STATE GAME unis. Man, I’d like to have a dumpster fire to burn all those—preferably after Tubs goes down the road!
chicken or egg question...
It’s kind of like that. Except for which came first, it’s more like, which group quit first? The coaches or the players?
Because it seems very apparent both units have quit on each other!
by redraider90 on Nov 13, 2011 3:25 PM CST via mobile reply actions
The oter side of the question....
Unlike the pig, neither side is committed!
So not trying to insult here
But where in the hell has your offense gone? Why can’t you move the ball anymore? I don’t have to ask about your poor defense, but I thought y’all could move the ball. What gives? Injury or something? As an outsider I just don’t get it.
"Nor yet in Dell?"
Tupperware and Neil Brown happened!!!
We dont stretch the field. We just run plays within 10 yards of the line of scrimmage. So that is the only part of the field the defense defends!
by TDRedRaiders! on Nov 13, 2011 3:33 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Don't feel bad GTcat
We don’t get it either.
by RedRaiderForLife95 on Nov 13, 2011 4:11 PM CST up reply actions
Well, when you have players giving the plays to the defense...
…which has been alleged, then something really big is happening. We’re baffled, because I don’t see how this offense doesn’t score at all – or even get in the red zone – against Okie Lite. We’re really, really bad. But the fumes of the “offense that was” could still score points… as we saw against OU.
I hope nothing criminal is going on, but I am suspicious.
Be looking for Antiswarm's first fiction novel The Last Pilgrims, due out in November of 2011.
get this troll out of here I can't take it
by txtechpikafall04 on Nov 13, 2011 9:28 PM CST up reply actions
Chill out bro. He's not asking anything that we aren't asking ourselves.
No bullfights. No gambling. No donkeys. No vanilla extracts. No piñatas. None of that stuff. Straight football. No switchblades.
by San Antonio Red Raider on Nov 13, 2011 9:40 PM CST up reply actions
Plus, the internet is a really big place.
No bullfights. No gambling. No donkeys. No vanilla extracts. No piñatas. None of that stuff. Straight football. No switchblades.
by San Antonio Red Raider on Nov 13, 2011 9:40 PM CST up reply actions
Only in Lubbock
Check out the standings in AJ: http://redraiders.com/texas_tech_vs_oklahoma_state
They list Texas Tech ahead of Iowa State and Baylor even though both have better records than Tech:
OPPOSING TEAM CONFERENCE OVERALL
Oklahoma State 7-0 10-0
Oklahoma 5-1 8-1
Kansas State 4-2 7-2
Missouri 3-4 5-5
Texas 3-3 6-3
Texas A&M 3-3 5-4
Texas Tech 2-5 5-5
Iowa State 2-4 5-4
Baylor 2-3 5-3
Kansas 0-6 2-7
Simple rule of thumb: Everything before the but is BS.
let us finish the season
And get us a new coaching staff
by fracas on Nov 13, 2011 4:10 PM CST via iPhone app reply actions
"It felt like the crowd at a Baylor game in Waco"
I went with my brother-in-law who last went to a Tech home game in 2009 at the Oklahoma game. Prior to that he was at the Oklahoma State game in 2008 & The OU upset in 2007. He has been a pretty good Oklahoma school good luck charm to date. His luck ran out Saturday. He had an interesting comment on the drive home today. He & I went to the Tech-Baylor games in Waco every other year before Jerry Jones hijacked that game. He said that Jones Stadium felt nothing like it had the previous three times he had gone to games this past decade. He said it felt like the Baylor crowd at the games in Waco. What really sucks is that he’s right. Tech games are going to go back to being social events. The football will again be incidental to the socializing.
2011 Season - No excuses. Just win!
Being honest
The atmosphere was this way last year also. The ut game was so emotionless, it was palpable. I knew something was 180 degrees different. No emotion from the coach or team.
This is a 3 ring circus up in here......
by oldschoolraider on Nov 13, 2011 5:39 PM CST up reply actions
The UT game
I sensed the emotional void, the 180 turn-around at the UT game as well . . . last year’s UT game. I haven’t been the same since. I think ti contributed to me not using any of my season tickets this year.
by Nm RaiDer FAn on Nov 13, 2011 9:27 PM CST up reply actions
On top of it...
We had everything to play for…both undefeated. And it was flat dead. I see know way tubs can be successful at tech. The reasons are many, but this is where we are.
Also, I don’t want him cutting anyone from the staff for 2 reasons:
1) they are good men who have recruited well and have an uninspired CEO with no identity
2) that is the cowards way to buy time
This is a 3 ring circus up in here......
by oldschoolraider on Nov 13, 2011 10:13 PM CST up reply actions
No way....thanks iPhone
This is a 3 ring circus up in here......
by oldschoolraider on Nov 13, 2011 10:13 PM CST up reply actions
If we keep Tubs
I predict we go 3-9 next year and Tubs does not finish the season. It would be in Holcutts best interest to end this catastrophe , at the end of this year.
Holcutt should be able to find a winner for a head coach.
If we keep Tubs we are definitely heading for the bottom ten.
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I take solace in this...
Texas A&M fans were all hyped up to compete for a Big XII championship, BCS berth, and possible national championship run this year. They returned a full team of seniors with tons of experience.
Yet…they are one game ahead of Tech in the conference standings and are fighting to become bowl eligible. So while we are struggling, at least we aren’t Fish Bait. And I don’t care how you lose; until Rick Perry successfully lobbies for all college football games to be declared over at halftime, a loss is a loss. Looking good doing it matters nothing.
11/12/11...66-6...I once was blind, but now I see.
New recruitng slogan
Texas A&M, Consistently doing less with more since 1955 (or whenever their last year of significance was)
Hate
I hate our football team.
Personal Financial Planning student graduating in December 2011, job offers welcome
I don't hate our team
I hate the chaos & I hate the lack of successful coaching. Have to wonder how much Tuberville cares. He doesn’t seem to have passion.
"Oh, it's already been brought'n!
Anyone know when we last suffered 3 30+ pt. blowouts in one season?
Not to mention, consecutive. How many total in the previous decade?
I used to think a bowl game would be nice just for the extra practice time, but that’s not even the issue anymore. This thing has gone completely toxic. Play out the string and shut it down ASAP.
Fortunately, I’m a much bigger basketball fan than football fan, so I will happily turn my attention to the court. (Nevertheless, what’s happening with the football team sickens me.) I don’t think the winning % (men’s) will be that much better than football, but the team/coaching staff will care, will play with heart and will not quit. I urge those of you who are primarily FB fans to give the BB team(s) your support this year.
Since you asked...
I was masochistic enough to look it up.
We lost by 30+ in 1986, losing 3 out of 4 to: @ Miami 61-11, Baylor 45-14, @ Texas A&M 45-8. We beat New Mexico after the Miami loss, 14-7.
We had two 30+ losses in 2003 (@ Missouri, Oklahoma), 1992 (@ North Carolina St, @ Rice), 1969 (@ Texas, @ Arkansas), 1963 (@ Texas, TCU), 1962 (Texas, Arkansas), 1961 (Texas A&M, Rice), 1947 (@ Texas, @ Rice), and 1945 (@ Texas, @ Oklahoma St).
2011, 1962, and 1961 are the only years where Tech had multiple 30+ losses at home.
In the 10-year span of 2001-2010, we had nine 30+ loss games, with four to Oklahoma, three to Texas, and two to Missouri.
by RedRaiderForLife95 on Nov 13, 2011 8:06 PM CST up reply actions
So this is a historic year!
Ouch, but thanks for the research.
Wow ...
Wonder if this will be broadcast to a wider audience. This will turn some heads.
by Arizona Raider on Nov 13, 2011 8:49 PM CST up reply actions
Something to think about
I enjoying reading DTN and all the additions and comments from fellow raiders. Seth thanks for keeping a level head. I don’t know how you do it. Usually and in the case as well, everything I think has been said in the comments. This is my first posting as well. I have been following this team as long as I can remember, I saw Donny Anderson play as a kid.
I have come to the same conclusion as others on here. The coaching staff has failed and the players have quit. You can’t tell me the talent level at Tech is worse than ISU, Baylor, and Kansas State. I am done as well until there are major changes. I love Leach but was willing to give Tommy a chance because it is Tech, I love Tech and I want them to do succeed.
I agree oldschoolraider, we all need to vote with your feet. Keep in mind if fans quit coming to the games if effects everything. True the school still brings in some major cash, but the businesses start hurting, the networks quit showing the games, and pressure starts being put on the school because a lot of people outside the university have a vested interest. Maybe to get the Tech fix is to put all are money and energy into the Basketball programs. Think what may happen if the basketball programs bring in more fans & money than the football program. Just my few cents.
Thanks
Agreed that not showing up is the right call. To be honest….it felt a little dirty anyway with hance’s fingerprints on every contrived detail the last two years.
I will go to a few tailgating scenes next year…but my cash will not be parted with for this.
This is a 3 ring circus up in here......
by oldschoolraider on Nov 13, 2011 10:18 PM CST up reply actions
besides if we don't waste our money on Tommy Ball, that is more DTN bucks for the rest of us
"Oh, yeah. We don't even talk about Bowls much. We're so far away from being a team right now that can have a chance to compete in a Bowl." HC Tommy Tuberville.
BINGO-We have a winner!
Losing money is what those belltowers understand.
Is this Auburn 2008 all over again
Tubs attempted to adopt the spread offense when he hired Tony Franklin in December 2007. Franklin worked with Mumme and Leach at Kentucky. After posting a 4-2 halfway through the 2008 season, Tubbs fired Franklin. Auburn only won one more game that season finishing 5-7. Tubbs was bought out of his remaining contract at the end of that season.
Lubbock, 2010, Tubbs is hired to take over Tech’s version of the spread offense known as the Air Raid. By the middle of the 2011 Season, Tech is 4-2. A fluke win of OU might be the only other game Tech wins this year resulting in another 5-7 Season for Tubbs.
Guess who his defensive coordinator was in his last game where he lost to Alabama 36-0 yes Paul Rhodes Iowa State
"Oh, yeah. We don't even talk about Bowls much. We're so far away from being a team right now that can have a chance to compete in a Bowl." HC Tommy Tuberville.
Didn't Keown get injured in the OU game?
So that he couldn’t play and tell the other team our plays?? This is probably not true but it is fun to theorize.
Good God
Imagine if you people lived in Lawrence or even College Station? You would have pulled the trigger already! We have 5 wins and yall are freaking out.
Eric Ward was completely right when he said “(Tech Fans). When stuff goes their way, they’re with you. But when it doesn’t, they just start it back down. So we don’t care about the fans — not in a bad demeanor like that, if the fans aren’t with us, we can’t just lay down because we aren’t getting any support from the fans.”
We are now the most divided fanbase in the nation in my opinion. Pathetic.
Nobody likes losing...
Last Saturday was one of the most pathetic things Ive ever seen. We were obviously exposed by a clearly national championship teamand just layed down.
So what are you going to do? Go apeshit over it? How many fans wanted Leach’s head his first two years here when he attempted to change the identity of this program? Obviously over the course of his tenure he sucessfully changed the identity.
All Im saying is give it time, first and foremost there was no high expectations for this team this season, and it has been a hell of a learning experience for these young guys. Give the process time, no program was ever revamped in one season.
WE WILL make a bowl game. I will put money on that. The best thing to do right now is to get behind this team and help them achieve that goal. This program really dosent need fans who dont support it and have kneejerk reactions to a few losses.
by eevangelTTU on Nov 14, 2011 12:10 AM CST up reply actions
Go read my posts about Eric War's comments
And you will know how I feel. You don’t know anything about me. I do not take Tech lightly, and I have even defended Tuberville but 1 conference win the last 2 years at home Leach never did. Going without an offensive score Leach never did. Having the players tell the other team what the plays are never happened either. I do not like people saying I am a fair weather fan if I don’t want to watch Tech lose by 60 points and don’t want to cheer for them and I want something done to fix it. The people that do this are not fair weather fans they are the best fans.So get off your high horse and think you are a more more devoted fan than me because you are okay by losing by 60 points against the #2 team in the nation. I for one am never ok with it. OSU has the 108 defenses in the nation and LSU has probably the best defense we could not score against OSU and Western Kentucky got 9 points on LSU at Death Valley.
Never did I personally direct anything in my post about you. I am not challenging anyone's fandom.
You think I like losing? Hell no. Do I think this team is facing an identity crisis right now? Absolutely. Do I think this team is way too young for its own good and has no leadership? Yep.
So what should we do? Fire the whole coaching staff and start from scratch again? Thats probaly the worst thing that could happen to this program right now.
Patience is a virtue, But everybody has a limit. For some its one game. For others its a season or so. Mine is next season. If Tuberville cant fix these problems and groom his own recruits by the end of next season, Ill jump offboard.
by eevangelTTU on Nov 14, 2011 12:31 AM CST up reply actions
Absolutely. Do I think this team is way too young for its own good and has no leadership? Yep.
Tuberville says we have great leadership, is he lying or delusional?
Simple rule of thumb: Everything before the but is BS.
by FriscoRaider on Nov 14, 2011 6:17 AM CST up reply actions
Show me a coaching staff with passion
working to inspire the team; focusing on the basics (since we’ve been told our guys don’t even know the basics of tackling…which seems to be true unfortunately); pumping our guys up instead of saying they don’t have the talent, they’re not a very good team, they don’t call certain plays because the coaches don’t think the players can execute, etc. and working to unite the fans instead of spending time doing media about how great #82 is and I’ll hang in with the best of them.
When we have players like Ward saying when something goes wrong they basically quit and Keown ALLEGEDLY giving our plays to the opposing team that tells me something is horribly wrong and that is down to the coaches.
None of this is “normal” growing pains for the first couple of years with a new coach. At least not in the 27 years I’ve been following and supporting Tech football.
And to call these “a few losses” is seriously minimizing. The loss against OSU was the worst loss in Tech history. Someone posted on one of the threads about the other “records” set this year – number of losses at home, amount we’ve been outscored, etc.
There needs to be accountability. Now. Not just for the fans, but for the players. Especially for the players.
"Oh, it's already been brought'n!
Exactly
Everybody involved needs to be held accountable.
by eevangelTTU on Nov 14, 2011 12:33 AM CST up reply actions
Are you including the fans in that statement?
Because if you are, last time I checked I’m not getting a paycheck like the coaches nor did I go to Tech on a scholarship. In fact I spent a ridiculous amount of money on season tickets & Tech gear this year.
If you aren’t including fans in your accountability statement then you can ignore the paragraph above.
"Oh, it's already been brought'n!
I wasnt including fans
We honestly dont have any say unless you cut down a programs economic sources
by eevangelTTU on Nov 14, 2011 12:50 AM CST up reply actions
Okay, sorry then
One of the statements Ward made yesterday said was harsh toward fans – not the statement being more widely used in the media – about not caring about the fans which was pretty insulting.
A few of us started totaling up all the money we had spent this year and it was pretty sobering.
"Oh, it's already been brought'n!
Do you honestly think a majority players think about those things?
All they care about is playing in the NFL and getting laid.
Now thats not all of them, some of them actually do care and those are usually the well spoken ones and the leaders on the team.
Ward is actually a well spoken kid and seems like he has a good head on his shoulders. But he wouldnt see our p.o.v as just a fan, but I do see his point. When fans turn thier backs on them, what are they gonna do?
No
But if they’re going to start insulting the fans like that then they need to. I personally spent nearly $2000 this season all told (including season tickets which I upgraded before the Iowa State game). Plus I drive up from Austin – 6.5 hours each way & pay for a hotel, meals, etc. So don’t tell me I’m not supporting you (to any player that says otherwise).
Money talks when it comes to supporting athletic programs. Butts in the seats matters.
"Oh, it's already been brought'n!
WRONG DUDE!
People being paid need to be accountable. Fans have the right to do what they they/we want to do! Is the administration paying you to troll? Sure as hell seems like it!
My comment is directed at eevangel, not you Austin
The software’s giving me fits tonight.
Is a divided fanbase really a bad thing?
I expect Tuberville to win. He didn’t inherit a broken team, he inherited a good team with a lot of potential. Wins will keep people in the seats.
I don’t suppose you were a fan pre 1985 were you?
" Answers --Become Resources."
Without Questions, There are limited Resources...
I toughtt we have divided and fractured for the past two years now, what is the big deal
"Oh, yeah. We don't even talk about Bowls much. We're so far away from being a team right now that can have a chance to compete in a Bowl." HC Tommy Tuberville.
Of course wins will keep people in the seats, Im not denying that
Tubs inherited a team that had absolutely no depth behind those seniors in 2010. Even if Leach was still here, he would be facing this problem currently as well. The difference between that is Leach’s solution to this would hav been lets bring in JUCO’s that will be able to start but only be here for 2 years max. And Tuberville’s solution is lets recruit some great young high school kids and throw them into the fire right away. In the long run I believe Tubervilles plan will work out soon.
by eevangelTTU on Nov 14, 2011 12:20 AM CST up reply actions
Disagree
Leach’s strength, other than a high scoring offense that changed the way football was played in the Big 12, was to devise a game plan around the strength and weaknesses of the players he had. Tuberville does not do that. He makes excuses that the team is not talented.
I’m not saying Leach would be having big wins if he was still at Tech. I have no idea what our record would be under Leach or what the scores would be but I seriously doubt our losses would be as painful and humiliating as the last three games.
And if your boss was constantly and publicly saying you didn’t have the talent to do your job, would that inspire you to play your heart out for him? I know it wouldn’t me.
"Oh, it's already been brought'n!
"No depth behind those seniors in 2010..?" What are you talking about?
Our current offense is about as experienced and senior a group as we’ve ever had in the past 10 – 12 years…
You don’t think Leach would be doing better with this group than what we’ve seen this year…?
I realize that doesn’t really matter… It’s a hypothetical that doesn’t do us much good now.. But you’re making the statement that Leach would be facing “this problem” as well… You’re just buying into some of the bs excuses that keep getting dished out…
Granted, we seem to be pretty thin on defense.. but it’s still not out of the realm of what we’ve had in years before…
Avoid some of the defections we’ve had and it would be a little less young/inexperienced…
We are currently 113th in total defense! (out of 120) Last year, we finished 114th in total defense!
Please let me know when we will begin to see Tuberville’s plan begin to work… I’m quite anxious to see some shreds of progress somwhere…
"Transition is hard." - TT
by Houston Raider on Nov 15, 2011 10:48 AM CST up reply actions
You are discussing a coaching stragety and Im discussing a depth issue
2 seperate discussions. I do agree that Leach broke down the game and made it simpler better than Tuberville has done. But as a depth issue, Leach was notorious for bringing defensive Juco’s in to compete rather than recruit defensive kids. How many 4 year DEFENSIVE starters have we had in recent memory? Maybe even 3 years? I cant think of any except for Whitlock and Duncan. maybe Mcbath? That D-line has haid so many Juco’s in the past few years its ridiculous.
As for how Tub’s motivates his players, thats actually a pretty common coaching technique.
Yes it worked for 7 or 8 games a year
Defense wins championships. Ask the SEC.
Wow
Out of curiosity, how long have you been following Tech football?
Leach is the winningest coach in Texas Tech history. He took our program to new heights. Say what you want but you cannot take that away from him.
The Big 12 and SEC play different styles of football. I seem to remember UT in a BCS championship not that long ago. I would look up the history of who played in the BCS championship games over the past decade or so – and I will give you that SEC teams will have more appearances – but it is WAY past my bedtime!
"Oh, it's already been brought'n!
BCS Championship Games 1998 - 2010
Big 12 – seven appearances – WON TWICE
SEC – seven appearances – WON IN ALL SEVEN APPEARANCES
PAC-10 – three appearances – WON ONCE (later vacated)
ACC – three appearances – WON ONCE
Big East – two appearances – WON ONCE
Big Ten – two appearances – WON ONCE
Big 12 got to the BCS Championship (UT, OU) as often as SEC teams (TN, LSU, FL, AL) but the SEC clearly dominated in the games. In the four match ups between a Big 12 team and an SEC team the SEC team won. But, I don’t know enough about the teams at the time to comment on the match ups. Just the facts…
"Oh, it's already been brought'n!
Working right now for 10 games for OkState...
I’m sure all of their fans are frustrated and not enjoying it very much because they know their defense isn’t very good…
We were on about the same exact path as OkState for the last several years prior to the last two…similar results on the field… similar recruiting ratings… personally, I think we had a slight edge over them… but I guess it’s a good thing we decided to take this little detour in a different direction instead…
"Transition is hard." - TT
by Houston Raider on Nov 15, 2011 11:05 AM CST up reply actions
Let me put both together
No matter what the depth, I feel 100% confident that Leach would have gotten offensive points on the board, especially against the 110th-ranked defense in the country. More important (in the mid-view), I feel 100% confident that he would have scored more than 28 offensive points in the last 180 minutes of football.
It wouldn’t have mattered what the depth was. I’ll agree that it would be coaching strategy. Ultimately, part of Leach’s coaching strategy was to make sure his offense did WHATEVER was necessary to get into the end-zone. Did he hurt himself long-term with that attitude? Possibly. I was one of his biggest critics when it came to Tech’s running game during his tenure.
However, this current philosophy is ALSO counter-productive, short-term, mid-term, OR long-term. Now, if the team gets a whiff of the slightest bit of adversity, it quits. Why on EARTH should anyone believe that attitude will change next year, or the year after? If the coaching staff stays the same, then the kids GROW UP in that environment.
I’ve been a vocal opponent of comparing Tuberville to Leach. I just broke my own rule. I don’t promise to adhere to that rule anymore, but that will be enough for this post.
Let’s put this in a different perspective. We keep talking about how this compares to other Tech games. How does this compare to the rest of FBS college football THIS YEAR? Being the stat junky I am, I looked it up. Here are the games this year where the margin was as bad or worse than ours.
TCU hosted New Mexico and beat them 69-0.
Missouri hosted Western Illinois and beat them 69-0.
Cincinnati hosted Austin Peay and beat them 72-10.
UCF hosted Charleston Southern and beat them 62-0.
Oklahoma St visited Texas Tech and beat them 66-6.
So, at this point in the season, we’re not quite as bad as a New Mexico team that has no head coach, and we’re not quite as bad as three FCS teams. Oh wait, maybe we are, since THOSE game were all on the road. Let’s see, what are the worst HOME losses this year?
Oklahoma St at Texas Tech, 66-6.
Houston at Tulane, 73-17.
Boise St at Colorado St, 63-13.
Boise St at Fresno St, 57-7.
Those were the only games where the home team lost by 50+.
There were a LOT of other FCS teams that played against the top tier, and none of THEM lost as bad as we did, even being on the road. And not a SINGLE FBS TEAM lost as bad at home this year as we did. There was only one loss as bad or worse last year at home, when Northern Illinois went to Eastern Michigan and won 71-3. There wasn’t a home game this bad in 2009. In 2008, there were two games that Washington St hosted, Cal (66-3) and USC (69-0).
A lot of other teams go through transitions, every year. A lot of other teams play top-notch opponents during those transitions, every year. Several are doing that this year. Many of them have this supposed lack of depth (which I’m not completely buying into, especially on offense). None of them have been beaten at home this bad.
by RedRaiderForLife95 on Nov 14, 2011 7:19 PM CST up reply actions
But how many of them had #82 as the leader of their team? Hang that albatross their necks and things might even up.
Simple rule of thumb: Everything before the but is BS.
by FriscoRaider on Nov 14, 2011 8:22 PM CST up reply actions
What ever Tubs is doing...
Sure as hell isn’t working. 66-6 speaks volumes about that!
No Shit?
Clearly. As I said before this team is having problems upon its growing pains. But I have confidence that these issues will be resolved.
Now who is trolling sir?
That's where we differ I think
I just don’t have confidence Tuberville can turn it around at this point. I’m convinced he has lost the team. I would love to be wrong on this one…but it’s hard to believe this isn’t the case.
"Oh, it's already been brought'n!
This season is 3 weeks long right now
I say as fans, we tough the storm out and all of this arguing can be and hopefully these problems in the long offseason. We need 1 more win. Thats all. And the season is salvaged.
You learned to count
We’re so proud. Now go over to RP.com and you can go talk to Saiken and the other paid trolls. They LOVE to talk in circles all night!
+ 1,000,000
…on the RP.com / Saiken observation.
"I want to give him the heat and announce my presence with authority!"
Ebby Calvin LaLoosh
I'm not!
I’ve seen this movie before, and the ending is not good and can only be resolved by the firing of the head coach. Your confidence is touching, but it is not based on reality. Mark my words, Tubs will eventually have to go—you can bet on it.
As the old saying goes, “You are entitled to your own opinion, but not to your own facts!”
You saw it Saturday
Or maybe you and the other Tubs apologists were watching “Puss in Boots.”
To be fair...
That is a pretty funny movie. One of Antonio Banderas’s best.
Three Ring Circus is Done
Obviously, Flubby has lost this program and team, and thus the time is coming really quick for him to go. I think as a fan base and alums, we need to put together a website, and start a petition to ask for the immediate resignation of Hance and co, and remove Tubby. Every once in a while in sports, when players quit on the coach, and the coach loses the program, there is no choice he has to go after this season period. Time to protect this house by cleaning house. This thing is done. Total embarrasement.
competency
This is all about competency… I could give a good coach 5 years… even if we lost 70% of games, but in those games we were competitive, and you saw improvement.
This is a train wreck, a hi-jacked plane flown into the pentagon, a dumpster fire. There are no positives, it would be wrong to prolong a sinking ship.
arrr.
"If your Red Raider defense can keep the Cowboys to less than 42 points,
You get free mini pancakes from Jack in the Box!" Hearing this at the game just went all through me. Even our promotions are now geared to us losing. (I wanted my damned pancakes too!)
it was funny
and yet SO incredibly sad at the same time. It’s really bad when our benchmarks are not our own performance, but our opponents, but it is horrific when even THOSE benchmarks basically have failure baked into them to start with. (and it is inexcusably pathetic when we can’t even make THAT benchmark FOR THE FIRST HALF)
At least Jack in the Box was being fair about things
Would anyone have kept any hope alive for free mini-pancakes as a silver lining to the day if the cutoff had been 20 points? I think not good sir.
by mojavereject on Nov 14, 2011 4:42 PM CST up reply actions
FREE TOMMY!!!!!
if he is so apparently miserable here, then let’s give him his freedom and let him go find another school where he can constantly whine about the weather and lack of talent. Winners get out there and fight and don’t allow for excuses. I can not stand his sad sack, hound dog, dark cloud attitude any longer, and neither can Texas Tech.
And I say, "Hey, Lama, hey, how about a little something, you know, for the effort, you know." And he says, "Oh, uh, there won't be any money, but when you die, on your deathbed, you will receive total consiousness." So I got that goin' for me, which is nice."
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