Texas Tech 27, Missouri 31 | Sports Depression Continues
by Seth C on Nov 20, 2011 6:04 AM CST
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My sports depression continues.
I had family things that kept me busy almost all day yesterday, so I got up early and watched the game this morning. I knew the outcome, but son of a son, I didn't know that WR Alex Torres, RB DeAndre Washington and LG Lonnie Edwards all went down with significant knee injuries (box scores don't tell you that). If anyone says that this is a conditioning thing, I'm pretty sure that I'll ban you just because. Missouri needs to invest in a new field with all of that SEC money as the current field is a disgrace to whoever Faurot is. And no, I'm not blaming the loss on injuries, but they sure as heck didn't help.
I won't be able to get to any post-game thoughts until maybe tomorrow morning. I will say that Tuberville looked legitimately upset after QB Seth Doege threw that interception. For the first time all year, I think that Tuberville is feeling the heat and he wanted and thought he had that game won. When Doege threw that interception, I think Tuberville probably felt like he was about to throw up and as mentioned above, I think that Tuberville is feeling some heat not just from himself, but I think that something is afoot. And this is just a suspicion, nothing other than my gut telling me that this game and the Baylor game mean something for Tuberville to keep his job. I'm probably totally wrong on this sort of thinking. Cornelius Douglas is this team's best cornerback and it's not even close. Too bad he's only been on the defense two-deep for two weeks.
Don't forget the men's basketball team plays today at 2:00 pm at the United Spirit Arena against Stephen F. Austin and will be on TTSN, ESPN3 and check your local listings on FoxSports.
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FINALLY he looks like a coach
instead of a smug CEO. He should look like this all the time.
He looks like
A kid wearing his dads jacket…..
This is a 3 ring circus up in here......
by oldschoolraider on Nov 20, 2011 10:19 AM CST up reply actions
Have you ever seen him up close in something like a polo shirt?
He has no shoulders or upper body.
"I’ve established a reputation for integrity. I have maintained those high standards" - Craig James
lol
"You play to win the game. Hello? You play to win the game." Herm Edwards
that explains his conditioning program, all lower body
"Oh, yeah. We don't even talk about Bowls much. We're so far away from being a team right now that can have a chance to compete in a Bowl." HC Tommy Tuberville.
Not sure about this
Someone mentioned in the gameday thread yesterday that tubs was cringing while Dodge made a pass. I thing it was in the 3rd just before I was getting ready to go somewhere. I am not sure if this was shown in TV or it was just assumed, but it seemed too plausible to ignore.
For all that bluster Tubs did about the deep ball, I was surprised they abandoned it and went back to playing Tuberball in the second half.
NB is a spread coach and all I can figure is that his talents are being misused. He is okay when he runs the offense wide open in the first half of most games, but chokes when he backs off. I am 50/50 on him, but it’s funny how NB chokes and fumbles on playcalling right before a punt or a conservative playcall and there is mass confusion. Not the first time this has happened.
It’s almost like NB himself is blindsided by it and has to set it up on the fly, because he had something more aggressive planned, and has been ordered to change things suddenly.
By now he should know the drill and be prepared for monkey maneuvers like this from the HC, but I don’t totally blame him because he wasn’t hired to run the ball and win by punting and field goals.
I am interested to see how the movement works out to make him a scapegoat. It seems there is one afoot. He is not blameless, but I think something funny might be going on with that.
I just can't fathom the depths of coaching wisdom
that dictates you take the foot off the gas pedal when you only have a two score lead. Against a team that can only run the ball. With nearly half the game left to play. With the worst defense in FBS. No lead is safe with this group.
by mojavereject on Nov 20, 2011 10:49 AM CST up reply actions
I agree on NB
Tubs shifts the offense from 5th gear to 1st on a regular basis. Maybe I have blinders on, but to me it can’t be anything else. The offense gets some rhythm and then boom, its gone. One just doesn’t go from a smooth operator to a rhythmic jerk at the flip of a switch.
by Arizona Raider on Nov 20, 2011 3:15 PM CST up reply actions
unfortunately, I've lost interest in the result
But honestly (aside from the whole inability to stop any sort of run) I think this might have been our best game (sans the OU game). Two things of note to me (after reading Seth’s comments).
1) I agree on Tuberville, it’s sad if it took this long and this much losing but he definitely had passion in this game, I think the telling moment for me was the really poor “late/out of bounds hit” penalty, Tuberville went off on the refs for that and I don’t remember seeing that out of him in any other game.
2) I think the injury to Edwards probably cost us this game, if only because the final interception came right down the corridor he would’ve been blocking. I don’t remember whether it was the LG blocking the guy that tipped the ball (and it was a low pass anyway) but I have to believe our left side would’ve held stronger with Edwards.
I'm actually kind of pleased.
For once this year, I see a team out there that was fighting for something! The players were emotional. The coaches were motivating the players. I can definitely say today we just got beat, most likely because of injuries and a few calls that just didn’t go our way at very critical moments in the game. But here some positive things from this game.
1) It seemed like the team came together today and played like the game meant something to them.
2) The running game is getting much better and Washington is going to be incredible in these coming years.
3) Bullitt is a leader and a playmaker. That’s exactly what we needed, someone to fire up the team. That guy throws his body around and plays with so much passion. Definitely excited to watch this guy play the next few years.
4) We actually hit hard and wrapped up(for the most part) today. Obviously there’s always room for improvement but it was very relieving to see the defense hit hard today as well as the offense.
4) Idk how much longer Tubbs will be around but if he stays, he needs to coach with the passion he showed today everygame.
Guns Up!
Did we play again today?
No bullfights. No gambling. No donkeys. No vanilla extracts. No piñatas. None of that stuff. Straight football. No switchblades.
by San Antonio Red Raider on Nov 20, 2011 6:53 PM CST up reply actions
And it was great
We didnt suck near as bad as the 3 previous weeks. Pretty damn brilliant to get us to the point of, hey it looked like they gave a shit.
This is a 3 ring circus up in here......
by oldschoolraider on Nov 20, 2011 7:34 PM CST up reply actions
Can't Stop the Run
It’s a broken record, and one that Tubs and staff have not figured out. Mizz gets 315 yards rushing. That’s disgusting.
The pessimist complains about the wind. The optimist expects it to change. The leader adjusts the sails.
I think this (more than anything else) is why I just can't believe in or sustain passion for this team
This weakness is GLARING and really deflating.
That
And this: Go watch the post-game presser and count the number of times Tubby says “it just wasn’t meant to be”…..disgusting
and this: He continues to say his players are just not good enough. The quote is “we just don’t have the physical ability to stop the inside running game”….more disgusting.
The pessimist complains about the wind. The optimist expects it to change. The leader adjusts the sails.
That's bull!
If Texas had rushed for 200-250 and burned us with some WRs and beat us by 10, then I’d say we don’t have the physical ability to stop the rush. When everyone KNOWS they can run on us and we can’t stop teams that SHOULDN’T be killing us on “talent” (Iowa State & Mizzou) then that’s garbage.
I have an idea!
Picture the Matador fighting the bull. He gets as close as he can without getting run over. The crowd erupts “OLE!”. Perhaps we as fans can help the team miss fewer tackles with a resounding OLE! should they whiff. The YAW (yards after whiff) are killing us. Maybe some semi-negative reinforcement would lessen the YAW….
I've been for bullfighting all along... it's one of my passions...
…but SARR, who took ONE Leach quote out of context, has banned bullfighting, so we are on the outs. Anyway, I think what Leach meant was NO BULLFIGHTING during the game. Not NO BULLFIGHTING ever. But if we aren’t going to play football, we should definitely have bullfighting. SARR and I are going to come to blows on this one. I’m sure of it.
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What did the bull ever do to you?
I don’t think I’ve ever been mad at a bull for anything. They’re just cows with calf fries still attached.
2011 Season - No excuses. Just win!
Well, I am biased because I own cattle and find bulls to be tasty.
…and the fact that they aren’t harmless, don’t provide milk, and are really fun to kill. But that is all beside the point. It has to either be LOTS of bullfighting and not much football, or LOTS of football, and not much bullfighting. Since I am not seeing any football at Tech games, logically, some bull needs to die.
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If I get invited to the BBQ's afterwards, I'll back your bullfighting initiative
2011 Season - No excuses. Just win!
That's a done deal. More bullfighting and free steak dinners.
When I am president, all of your wildest dreams will come true.
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You can tell FDR wasn't a Texan
instead of “A chicken in every pot.” It would have been, “A Porterhouse on every grill.”
Give 'Em Hell Tech!!!!!
You can clearly see from this chart that there continues to be a significant amount of bullfighting in America
In Leach’s America, there would be a minimal amount of bullfighting, but in America there are bullfights all the time. I think you can rest easy that the bullfights will continue until Leach gets his America.
No bullfights. No gambling. No donkeys. No vanilla extracts. No piñatas. None of that stuff. Straight football. No switchblades.
by San Antonio Red Raider on Nov 20, 2011 12:10 PM CST up reply actions 2 recs
I am also willing to trade fewer switchblades, donkeys, and gambling for more bullfighting.
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I think that a deal can be reached.
Just please put away the ax and lumberjack suit.
No bullfights. No gambling. No donkeys. No vanilla extracts. No piñatas. None of that stuff. Straight football. No switchblades.
by San Antonio Red Raider on Nov 20, 2011 12:17 PM CST up reply actions
That sounds like a deal, if I can tell my true story...
…of how I was traumatized by a Pinata as a boy.
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I am ready for Leach's return
Tubs is a failure and no other quality/established coach will give Tech a look. Not after things have gone down. If Hance and the BOR really care about the football team and the athletic budget, then Leach is your man. His return would be epic and there are still enough of his players left to make the transition pretty smooth.
by MrT75 on Nov 20, 2011 12:19 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
But what would we do with all our switchblades and vanilla extracts?
No bullfights. No gambling. No donkeys. No vanilla extracts. No piñatas. None of that stuff. Straight football. No switchblades.
by San Antonio Red Raider on Nov 20, 2011 12:22 PM CST up reply actions
We trade them to fish bait, they'll need them in the SEC.
…but we’ll have to get something of value. Like the retarded dog, or some packages of old jello packets. Maybe we can get Missouri to trade for some of that Pinkelemonade?
And we need to get that Pinata number down to zero.
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Seriously, all it would take would be a decent sized check & a bunch of humbling themselves be the administration
As long as he is on the market, there is no reason why he can’t come back. I think XM Radio would be understanding. The BOR and Hance need to look in the mirror & say, “We screwed up big time. Let’s do what is best for Texas Tech & fix things”.
2011 Season - No excuses. Just win!
Despite how orgasmically happy that would make me...
I thin the only place I’ll be reading about that happening is in my Texas Tech football fan fiction.
Be a team. Be the most excited to play. Be the best at doing your @#&$ing job.
I agree
But the chances of that happening are less than the chances of “real” bull fights happening in Dallas.
The pessimist complains about the wind. The optimist expects it to change. The leader adjusts the sails.
That would be so awesome.
Be looking for Antiswarm's first fiction novel The Last Pilgrims, due out in November of 2011.
Have you never been to Pleasant Grove on the 3rd Saturday if every month?
Slip the guy at the gate a $20, and tell him Chuy sent you.
Give 'Em Hell Tech!!!!!
by Plano Jeff on Nov 20, 2011 8:45 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
At least they reported for duty....
Best effort we’ve seen since the OU game. I said earlier in the week that we needed to score 35+ in order to win. It felt to me like the coaches got a little too conservative once they had the lead and were just trying to hang-on. They opened it up on the final drive and moved right down the field. But for a poor decision/poor throw, they probably pull off the win despite playing lousy defense and keeping the offense in low gear for too long.
I’m mostly proud of the kids and mostly pissed at the coaches.
"When you are right no one remembers, when you are wrong no one forgets."
you needed to see them play OU to decide that
Baylor gives us the EXACT same problem (in a different way) that UT did. ie:
Texas Tech HORRIFIC run Defense + Baylor INCREDIBLE runner (RG3) = Horrible Beatdown for Red Raiders
I think I have it figured out...
Watching the replay last night…our receivers are probably the worst bunch we’ve had in a decade. You wanna know why we don’t throw downfield? It’s because these WRs can’t work themselves open. They run “rounded off” routes entirely too often – and I guarantee that isn’t coaching…that’s lazy.
I was shocked at how often Doege is clearly looking down the field on a drop back only to check down. Frankly, he has nowhere to go with the ball about 80% of the time. We have up to five guys in routes and on every play, at least one guys is 20+ yds downfield.
We can grouse about play calling all we want – and there were some running plays called I didn’t like. But until our WRs can force the issue, this is what we are.
11/12/11...66-6...I once was blind, but now I see.
O.K. if the WR's are rounding off their routes,
shouldn’t the staff correct that? I understand that it takes two to tango here. If the players don’t have proper technique, its on them for not executing. But shouldn’t it be on the coaches for not correcting it sooner? They have coaches in the booth who clearly see what is going on during the game, should they make some adjustments?
by Arizona Raider on Nov 20, 2011 8:26 AM CST up reply actions
There are also some coaching trees that coach rounded routes as a measure of timing for deeper throws. An example is the “Greatest Show on Turf” Rams of the early 2000’s. I have to disagree with you on the other WR thought as well. This is a far more talented group than we’ve ever had.Lots more speed and ability (sans Nancy.) The problem is scheme. I still can’t get over how many times in two years that I’ve seen multiple receivers in or near the same spot when a ball was thrown. I’m sorry, but they aren’t being coached well. Period.
by PBK on Nov 20, 2011 9:00 AM CST via mobile up reply actions 1 recs
Not sure I agree with "far more talented group than we've ever had"
Stats don’t bear that out…and as our former defensive coordinator , Bill Parcel’s, always say’s…“you are what you are”….and it looks like we’re 5 and 7.
I do agree they are not coached very well, but we all should have seen that coming. Neil Brown vs Mike Leach? winner Mike Leach. Russian Coffee vs Ruffin McNeal? I’ll take Ruffin.
Stats on both counts, prove me right….because “you are what you are”
I'd take...
Our offensive and defensive lines from 2008 over any other ones I can remember. Crabtree makes that our best receiving corps also. This may be our best RB team, altho too depleted with injuries to be so for this game.
If I thought we could stop the run, I’d say this is a 6-6 team (and still could be), I agree that you are what your record says, but there is a question of are we our record due to coaching or talent. I DO think we’re better than our record on talent. And if I really think that I am left to wonder “what could have been” if not for that BS hit on Stephens with A&M.
I see it diferently on talent
We WERE a talented team this year earlier on, but injuries have eaten a enough talent to unbalance the big picture even with the remaining talent on the field, it just isn’t quite enough anymore.
2006 and 2007 had better WR crews than this one...
ignoring Crabtree, 2008 is very similar to this bunch… 2009 and 2010 were worse than these guys…
above thoughts about the OL and DL are right on, though… as good as Scotty is, I don’t think he’s as good as Duckett, Hunt, Raegor, Williams, or a host of other DEs we’ve had in the past… at least he doesn’t make as big of an impact… maybe that’s because of the lack of push on the interior… I dunno
Think our best reciever set were
Hicks, Filani, Amendola and RoJo. No one behind them though. Current group is still solid and prolly deeper ( Ward, Moore, Torres, Zou, Franks). Kennard could be great if he was coached up. Corndog is getting better. Anyhow, let us not forget what Leach started with (Wes, Peters, Cody Douglas, Trey Haverty, Carlos Francis) All these guys played like champs but most were 2-star to no star recruits. Leong was a 2 star. Point is good recievers are developed (even Crabtree). Current staff is getting less out of more raw talent.
Corndog getting better??
He’s a starting cornerback. That’s how much we suck!
Give 'Em Hell Tech!!!!!
I agree with Tech92
I still can’t get over how many times in two years that I’ve seen multiple receivers in or near the same spot when a ball was thrown.
But I have seen this as well. I just don’t understand that. It sure seems that it is hard to get open when all of the defense is seemingly drawn to the same spot.
"Again, once you employ childish language..(even when camouflaged behind parentheses)….the balance of your post is easily ignored. At that point, the impression is you are more interested in hurling invective than seriously contributing to the discourse." - ForestFlyer
Yeah that's probably true
No discipline in route spacing or the routes are poorly designed.
"Again, once you employ childish language..(even when camouflaged behind parentheses)….the balance of your post is easily ignored. At that point, the impression is you are more interested in hurling invective than seriously contributing to the discourse." - ForestFlyer
that sounds like excuses for Doege
I know we had a play where Doege busted out of the pocket and evaded the rush for a couple yards where he had receivers deep. I don’t know if he’s not looking or what but we had WRs downfield. I think a big problem for deep throws is our line is erratic (at best), tough to find guys (or throw deep) when you’re evading tacklers 2 feet away from you. Contrast with Mizzou’s QB who on at least one play looked like he was throwing in practice as far as QB pressure.
You can,t block 8 or 9 with 5!
Steckle was blitzing the hell out of us.
by Red and Black 71 on Nov 20, 2011 10:23 AM CST up reply actions
high schools got better turf than mizzou's
didn’t mizzou lost their RB because of the turf
"You play to win the game. Hello? You play to win the game." Herm Edwards
Yes, they lost one of their own last weekend to that turf
"I was taught to fight, taught to win" .... "Don’t Give Up"
and Texas lost Fozzie too...
"Fill it up again". "It's so good! Once it hits your lips it's so good!" -Frank the Tank
well...
We played better than I expected. At least the defense played good enough to keep us in the game. Although we gave up at least one big passing or running play on every drive on defense. I wish these coaches would look at the bend but don’t break defense.
I do like Douglas on defense, he made some plays.
by Techcuz on Nov 20, 2011 8:27 AM CST via mobile reply actions
I was proud that the team played hard, but Missouri was there for the taking, and that just sucks.
In that second quarter, Tommy went conservative and that is what cost us this game. It was not that last drive. That last drive could have saved the day, but the game was lost in the second quarter when Tommy went his SEC ways, and then by the third, Missouri was back in the game and had their confidence back.
You want to watch passion, look at Iowa State and OSU, look at Kansas State and Texas, and then that Baylor game last night, those are teams with passion and heart. I did not see that in either Tech or Missouri yesterday. I am not doubting the kids are not trying, but really, this is the level we are playing at now.
Second to last in the Big 12, thank god for Kansas.
And Seth, I know you do not wan’t to talk about injuries, but really, this team has had more injuries than any team that I can ever think of. I go way back to 1965. I have many friends who are Head Athletic Trainers at major colleges, and off line I would be more than happy to share with you what these coaches do and don’t do. I could share things with you, but not here on DTN. There are problems with Tommy’s program.
That turf did not cause injuries to our players. No question, that turf sucks, but they played on the same turf.
Can’t wait to see how bad we lose to Baylor. Holy crap, how many long balls will RG3 and Wright have on us.
"Oh, yeah. We don't even talk about Bowls much. We're so far away from being a team right now that can have a chance to compete in a Bowl." HC Tommy Tuberville.
I can’t believe that you think those knee injuries weren’t because of the turf. I get you hate Tuberville but find the the study that says the best training will keep players from suffering torn ACL’s.
Go Raiders . . .
Double-T Nation
by Seth C on Nov 20, 2011 8:58 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
Since we have been playing at Mizzou I have never seen that many knee injuries. I have nver seen so many in a single season. I cant help but think think that stength and conditioniing have something to do with it.
That’s fine but would love to see the data. And until yesterday only Stephens and Known had knee injuries. Zouzalik and Porter were both concussions. I can’t remember the others right now.
Go Raiders . . .
Double-T Nation
by Seth C on Nov 20, 2011 9:06 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
And explain how training and Henry and Whitaker had similar injuries last week. That turf sucks.
Go Raiders . . .
Double-T Nation
by Seth C on Nov 20, 2011 9:03 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
I would be very interested
in finding out what footwear each of the teams use on that field. I would venture to bet that opposing teams use different footwear on that turf than the Missouri team does. That turf looked awful sitting in the stands, and all it takes is a little “resistance” on the foot thats planted and you go down, with or without being hit. I tore my ACL playing indoor soccer and I wasn’t even really hit. Foot just stayed and I went the other direction.
Here's a few....
Now we all understand that football is a contact sport. There will be unpreventable injuries because of planted valgus impacts, etc, but with what I do in my day job, I can tell you that training CAN and DOES have an impact on injury prevention, even in the knee. And it’s not only strengthening, but plyometrics and proprioceptive/neuromuscular training regimens.
"They challenged us. They said, 'Here, try to run past us, try to run inside us.' And they were better at preventing that than we were throwing and catching it." --Mike Leach
1.
"They challenged us. They said, 'Here, try to run past us, try to run inside us.' And they were better at preventing that than we were throwing and catching it." --Mike Leach
F my life....don't know why I'm not able to post links....
"They challenged us. They said, 'Here, try to run past us, try to run inside us.' And they were better at preventing that than we were throwing and catching it." --Mike Leach
I think what I am saying is that no amount of training can help a player if the playing surface is awful. That turf looked like it was used at the old Philly Vet.
Go Raiders . . .
Double-T Nation
by Seth C on Nov 20, 2011 9:26 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
I hear you, Seth.
I’m not saying the turf didn’t contribute. And I’m not saying that even with the best training these injuries could have been prevented. Crap happens. However, there CAN be a correlation between poor training and increased knee injuries. And we do seem to be having more significant knee injuries than I’ve ever seen. So I just don’t know. I guess I’m just looking for a scapegoat.
"They challenged us. They said, 'Here, try to run past us, try to run inside us.' And they were better at preventing that than we were throwing and catching it." --Mike Leach
Only Stephens and Keown before yesterday. Maybe Langley but 2 or 3 doesn’t seem like a lot. Feel free to debate the worthiness of training and the other injuries but you will never convince me that the field yesterday caused those knee injuries and if the comment below is true that they replacing that turf then they know it id bad too. Someone still needs to explain Henry and Whitaker.
Go Raiders . . .
Double-T Nation
by Seth C on Nov 20, 2011 9:41 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
Maybe I shouldn't have narrowed it to "knee injuries"
Injuries in general seem to be really high this year, and training can be a causative factor.
"They challenged us. They said, 'Here, try to run past us, try to run inside us.' And they were better at preventing that than we were throwing and catching it." --Mike Leach
I agree
The injuries have been piling up not only in games but also in practice. Mays has hamstring issues, before that is was Will Ford. Dees has ankle issues. These are just the ones off the top of my head. Three knee injuries at Missou. Missou plays 6 games on this field. If it was so dangerous then they would have replaced it sooner. Washington and Torres injuries looked suspect, like they already had a strain and it took little to blow em out. However you want to look at it at the very least Tech needs to review/investigate the S@C program. Maybe everything is legit and this is just Karma but we should not stick our heads in the sand on this issue.
The old Sand Pit
I think Leach’s sand pit helped strengthen supporting muscles and anything supporting the knee and ankles. I think Tubs transition to make the team faster is negatively affecting the strength. i think this is evident not only in more injuries than I can remember in any given season, but also watching our D line get knocked off the line on every play
What makes you think the turf is bad - looks?
It’s “FieldTurf,” same surface as in Jones AT&T. Mizzou installed theirs 2003. Tech 2006. Life expectancy is 8-10 years. Am. J. Sports Medicine reported in a 5 year study that ACL injuries, among others, are reduced on FIeldTurf.
If Tech is suffering from more injuries these past two years than under Leach; it’s not the turf, it’s the coaching and training. I’d like to see some stats on the numbers of injuries per year. If there is an increase, I believe it started last year when Potts and Sticks were both injured in the Spring Game. I remember thinking last year that there were more injuries than in previous years.
Final thought: THIS article reported on Tuberville’s first Spring Practice with the Red Raiders, that:
It’s a different feeling around fall camp for Tech fans that were used to the "no injuries" policy former head coach Mike Leach preached for the past seven years. Leach normally said that all his players were fine because "we have no injuries at Texas Tech."
by Nm RaiDer FAn on Nov 21, 2011 12:58 AM CST up reply actions
article in LAJ has players reporting a bad playing surface
But the first Comment to the article argues that it is training and conditioning. See HERE.
Also, didn’t the players get new Under Armour Cleats to play in? I’m wondering if this could have anything to do with the increased injuries.
by Nm RaiDer FAn on Nov 21, 2011 1:18 AM CST up reply actions
http://ajs.sagepub.com/content/33/7/1003.short
"They challenged us. They said, 'Here, try to run past us, try to run inside us.' And they were better at preventing that than we were throwing and catching it." --Mike Leach
http://www.springerlink.com/content/u572351j64t74x5j/
"They challenged us. They said, 'Here, try to run past us, try to run inside us.' And they were better at preventing that than we were throwing and catching it." --Mike Leach
http://ajs.sagepub.com/content/27/6/699.short
"They challenged us. They said, 'Here, try to run past us, try to run inside us.' And they were better at preventing that than we were throwing and catching it." --Mike Leach
I know nothing about this subject
But those links seem to be right on point. Kind of counter-intuitive for me, but those numbers are significant.
"I’ve established a reputation for integrity. I have maintained those high standards" - Craig James
I had three daughters who played college soccer;
and one them blew her ACL twice. There is more incidence in women for this particular injury. Thi s has been
My comment is that having a very limited knowledge, but some, that there is a direct coorelation between all injuries, with the proper strength and conditioning programs. There is also direct coorelation to proper technique for blocking and tackling.
My concern is that Tommy thinks our players should already know theses kills and does not seem to think athletes at the D1 level need to be coached up. We can always argue about what coaching up really means, but we are 5-6, we have had way too many injuries, and right now we are all looking for answers.
And yes, I really hate (not in the good book sense) Tommy and what he has done to our football program. There is nothing about yesterday’s game that excited me, except that we almost became bowl eligible. There was some enthusiasm from Scotty and a few others, but Doege looks like he just saw a ghost.
Get Your Guns Up and lets pray.
"Oh, yeah. We don't even talk about Bowls much. We're so far away from being a team right now that can have a chance to compete in a Bowl." HC Tommy Tuberville.
Just listened to the Tech Raider Vision interviews. Interesting opinions on the turf.
Tuberville thought the Missouri turf was just about like Tech’s turf.
Doege said he’d never seen a turf that bad before.
Their respective viewpoints were indicative of the season.
Between the bad turf (field) and conservative play in the 3rd
The Mizzou turf has caused injuries for every team that has gone in there.
Mizzou needs to get a new turf!!!
The WR need to get open or distance but with the loss of Torres that hurt us.
The RBs were better in the 1st half as was the Defense (Smith especially) but it seemed that this team waned in the later part of the game.
I said it in my comments in the Post GT, this game would have been a blowout if we had not had Terrance Bullitt and Cornelius Douglas and Donnie Carona.
Douglas and Bullitt were the main two that that seemed to have any emotion and focus and Carona was accurate in his kicks and FGs.
Others that seemed to do well at times in the game ….. Smith and Washington and Marquez
.
"I was taught to fight, taught to win" .... "Don’t Give Up"
I was surprised they allowed Bullitt to comeback in after suffering a concussion early in the game.
Simple rule of thumb: Everything before the but is BS.
by FriscoRaider on Nov 20, 2011 8:53 AM CST up reply actions
I thought he just hurt his shoulder.
Go Raiders . . .
Double-T Nation
by Seth C on Nov 20, 2011 9:01 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
He said in the post game interview, that it wasn’t his shoulder.He got his bell rung(not his words), I think he said that he was dazed and it just took a few minutes to get his head back on.
Simple rule of thumb: Everything before the but is BS.
by FriscoRaider on Nov 20, 2011 9:03 AM CST up reply actions
the trainor took his helmet away from him.
on the way off the field…that’s usually a tell tale sign.
I went back and watched Bullitt’s interview again, his words “dazed” and “stunned”.
I think those are telltale signs.
Simple rule of thumb: Everything before the but is BS.
by FriscoRaider on Nov 20, 2011 9:22 AM CST up reply actions
It looked like a concussion on TV
Hope Bullits Dad knows some BOR members
by MrT75 on Nov 20, 2011 12:43 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
I don't think we had a choice
Bullit is one of the few players on this defense that has hope for becoming a good player in the future. The cupboard is empty and I tend to think he was a must in this game if we had any chance at all. Hopefully he was just dazed a little and concussed to a dangerous level.
"You've got to find your inner pirate" - Mike Leach
Agree
with you Seth. I think Tubs is clearly feeling the heat now.
Bad turf probably contributed to injuries. TV commentators said new rug to be put down in off season.
At least the team played with some emotion. I kept thinking Scott Smith was going to whip someone’s ass before the game was over.
I watched OU-Baylor and KSU-UT last night, and RG3 was outstanding. KSU beat UT on pure guts and determination.
Two more things. I don,t believe Doege and D. Moore are 100%. Doege really struggles with throws across the field and Moore was having to push off to get separation.
by Red and Black 71 on Nov 20, 2011 9:04 AM CST reply actions
Doege
He has long way to go. Some of his issues are lack of proper QB coaching and the play calling. Neal hasn’t done this guy any favors. The play calling we’re seeing today is disasterous. Someone should be fired very soon!
"You've got to find your inner pirate" - Mike Leach
How does doege have a lack of proper QB coaching?
He probably the most fundamentally sound player on the team…
by DTownRaider on Nov 20, 2011 11:42 AM CST up reply actions
His timing is off and he makes big mistakes when he should just throw the ball out of bounds. Also has some technique problems throwing low passes and short at times. Not a very good decision maker under pressure. I would say he’s better than Potts but certainly not much better after his overall body of work this season. Most fundamently sound player on this team is Torres and he leads everybody by a wide margin.
"You've got to find your inner pirate" - Mike Leach
UT - K St
Did you see the stats on Klein? From memory, something like 26 rushes for 4 yards and 5 sacks. UT took him out of the game and they still won. Amazing. Too bad Snyder inherited so much more talent than Tubs did. Oh wait……..
"I’ve established a reputation for integrity. I have maintained those high standards" - Craig James
Tuberville's "MO" at Auburn
was to replace coordinators regularly……are we fixing to see NB thrown under the buss?
to be fair, he kept losing DCs to poaching
Mack Brown stole Chizik and Muschamp from him (both of whom are now HCs at SEC schools). I think evidence says TT might suck at finding OCs, but he’s actually decent at finding DCs… I dunno what the deal is with Glasgow.
Dont forget about Paul Rhodes
Finding star Coordinators has always been a skill of tuberville. I’m just not sure why he cant recreate his hiring magic.
11 coordinators in 10 years
Those are just 2….the most in college football
http://www.al.com/auburnfootball/birminghamnews/index.ssf?/base/sports/1225008932229840.xml&coll=2
there are 8 others
he “threw under the bus”
at most, it'd be six
And the article makes clear that he didn’t WANT to hose his only DC that wasn’t poached but the admin made him, and Petrino left (arguably he was chased off by Tuberville, but I don’t call that “thrown under the bus”). That said, I’d probably concede your point with regards to the OC specifically.
as noted...
Looking at the article, Tuberville is a factory for DCs and an IDIOT with OCs. (ie. he lost 4 (of 5) DCs to better gigs and pretty much all his OCs got fired/demoted) All that said, I dunno if Neal Brown is bad or if TT isn’t using him correctly. Altho, I agree with the original point, that he will probably throw NB “under the bus”. Someone put up an article in fanshots or a post about how TT isn’t GOOD at offense, but insisted on trying to control it while at Auburn, if that’s true, that needs to be dealt with.
I get the feeling the bus is heading straight for Tuberville
And if Neal Brown lands under the bus he will see his HC go under the wheels at the same time he goes.
2011 Season - No excuses. Just win!
I agree
I think Brown is equally bad as Tuberville. The offensive unit as a whole is down and it’s not just play calling.
"You've got to find your inner pirate" - Mike Leach
its only been one year.
and the kids have had three different coordinators in the past three years… im sure their heads are spinning.
Texas Tech Defense..."60% of the time it works every time."
by I bleed Red and Black on Nov 20, 2011 10:05 AM CST up reply actions
I am not sure that Tuberville will have the opportunity to fire coordinators this time around. He has consistently put under-performing teams on the field and he has set our program back to pre-Big 12 lows.
Simple rule of thumb: Everything before the but is BS.
by FriscoRaider on Nov 20, 2011 9:40 AM CST up reply actions
It's going to cost a lot of money to oust him.
I don’t know if it will happen
"They challenged us. They said, 'Here, try to run past us, try to run inside us.' And they were better at preventing that than we were throwing and catching it." --Mike Leach
A lawyer type might have a better answer, but the way I read the contract is that we would owe him $300,000 for each year remaining and that would be 2012, 2013, and 2014.
Simple rule of thumb: Everything before the but is BS.
by FriscoRaider on Nov 20, 2011 9:45 AM CST up reply actions
Maybe Hance can contribute
Some of the money he makes from his toxic/nuclear waste dump to buy out Tubs. He is, after all, responsible for this mess. Oh wait, he spent that money already to build the chapel he named after himself. Damn, big-ass egos are expensive.
"I’ve established a reputation for integrity. I have maintained those high standards" - Craig James
OLE!
$300,000 × 3 = $900,000 Sounds like a STEAL to get things changed.
There would be NO MOVING VAN expenses cause Plenty of RaIDER fANS would
generously donate their time & muscles to help load up the Moving Van.
by RaiderRedGaga on Nov 20, 2011 2:50 PM CST up reply actions
The world of FBS college football financing is a very different place than it was 15 years ago - Poverty is No Excuse
Texas Tech is a member of one of the big 3 AQ conferences & gets 20 plus million dollars in TV revenue a year. And likeyly 30 mill in a couple years when 1st tier rights get a new contract. Texas Tech doesn’t get to plead poverty anymore. Boise State gets less than 2 million in TV revenue. If Texas Tech can’t use that extra 18 million dollars every year to fix a coaching problem, they don’t deserver to stay in an AQ conference.
2011 Season - No excuses. Just win!
The problem is when people raised in a provincial world have to make decisions for a big time program
They lack the imagination to see what is possible on the greater stage they now have at their disposal. Hance & Myers especially still see Tech as this isolated West Texas college that nobody outside Loop 289 is much concerned with. Tech was Border Conference when Myers was playing & had just joined the SWC when Hance was in school. If the people in charge of Tech say “We can’t afford this” they are just saying it out of habit from the days when money really was tight in the Texas Tech athletic department.
This is why I had such high hopes for Kirby Hocutt. I hoped he would bring an updated outlook to where Texas Tech stands in the college sports universe. We have a place on the biggest stage & we need to act like we belong there.
2011 Season - No excuses. Just win!
Being provincial isn't the problem IMO
It starts with being ethical and doing things for the right reason.
This is a 3 ring circus up in here......
by oldschoolraider on Nov 20, 2011 12:55 PM CST up reply actions
I'll buy that..
I just know I could find down to earth folks that are not well traveled or worldly that could do a bang up job….but a double whammy is where we are.
This is a 3 ring circus up in here......
by oldschoolraider on Nov 20, 2011 4:50 PM CST up reply actions
I sincerely hope Neal Brown is fired. The Air Raid is Dead in Lubbock. That offense Tech is Running is again, not anything close to the Air Raid. We need to fire that child and bring in somebody that knows the offense that put us on the map. The offense has clearly taken a step back – and it’s time for heads to roll.
I don’t think that Tubbs will be fired this year.. I think that he will have one more year at the least. Regardless of the outcome of the Baylor Game.
"Have a happy halftime." - Mike Leach
I don't think Tubs will be fired this year either
and if he does throw Brown under the bus, I absolutely can’t imagine he’s going to go get an Air Raid disciple as an OC. I’m pretty certain he’d try and find someone even more conservative, which I think would be even worse for us.
by Techsaninutah on Nov 20, 2011 11:14 AM CST up reply actions
Tuberville is the one killing the spread - If he stays we will always have the worst of both spread & I-back offenses
Because he will insist on going conservative when the spread philosophy says to go for the kill. But either way Brown is probably a goner. Under Tubs he will always look like a failure & if Tubs loses his job his entire staff goes with him.
2011 Season - No excuses. Just win!
Maybe we need to pick up the OC or one of the offensive assistants from OU. They seem to have the best balance between true spread concepts and still being able to mash in the run game. They can go 4 and 5 wide and pick a D apart with the right QB but also have the capability to line up 2 TEs in the I formation and pound you in the run game (see the offense with Adrian Peterson).
"I’m the real macaroni you cheesy b@#$%, I’m demonic with the Kraft" - Eminem
seriously?
I don’t really think you can use any season that included Adrian Peterson as emblematic of a coaching philosophy and more than I would do for Baylor right now. Heck, look at them, they look great running and throwing, their OC must be pretty solid too.
Yep
No new head coach in their right frame of mind would keep any of these assistants. This whole staff is like a cancer at this point.
"You've got to find your inner pirate" - Mike Leach
If he would stop meddling in the offense we would prolly be in better shape.
What was that he said when he was hired?? “I let my coordinators coach”
Let’em coach then.
Just Win!
contract? CONTRACT?!!!!
we don’t need no stinking contract!
I was thinking Blazing Saddles accent
"I’ve established a reputation for integrity. I have maintained those high standards" - Craig James
"What is the wide world of Sports is going on here?" Slim PIckens
"If I throw to a guy and he gets 5 yards, how is that different than if I hand to a guy and he gets 5? Balance is if you get contributions out of all your skill players, it's not how many runs or how many passes."
Mike Leach
by ViewFromTheLake on Nov 20, 2011 10:13 AM CST up reply actions
oops....What IN the Wide World of Sports......
"If I throw to a guy and he gets 5 yards, how is that different than if I hand to a guy and he gets 5? Balance is if you get contributions out of all your skill players, it's not how many runs or how many passes."
Mike Leach
by ViewFromTheLake on Nov 20, 2011 10:15 AM CST up reply actions
bball is on fssw on direct tv 676
Texas Tech Defense..."60% of the time it works every time."
by I bleed Red and Black on Nov 20, 2011 10:03 AM CST reply actions
if Tubs emotionally commits to Tech,
as he appeared to in this game
i will support him for another year
and whats the deal with everyone putting up fanpost's about leaving....
I know Seth doesn’t like telling people to leave, and I am not trying to do that. but if you want to leave just leave, you don’t have to put your business out there for everyone. feels so jr high IMHO
Texas Tech Defense..."60% of the time it works every time."
by I bleed Red and Black on Nov 20, 2011 10:08 AM CST reply actions
The drama factor
I’m with you. I don’t know what to think of all the ‘please come back’ posts, either. That’s just playing into their game IMO. It’s not uncommon for any of us to get PO’d at something from time to time. I’ve taken a leave of absence before and I know of others who have done the same. Too much reality TV and too much PC.
BTW, SARR’s post was a parody of the other. He mentioned the high school behavior in another thread just before he put his up.
"I’ve established a reputation for integrity. I have maintained those high standards" - Craig James
yeah i knew his was
Texas Tech Defense..."60% of the time it works every time."
by I bleed Red and Black on Nov 20, 2011 10:25 AM CST up reply actions
SARR's was parody?
I’m still not waving to him if I see him in the hallway. For at least a week. That’ll teach him.
Be a team. Be the most excited to play. Be the best at doing your @#&$ing job.
If DTN really is a High School, Can I start up an AV club?
We need to figure out who the geeks are. Start an AV club & they’ll show up. I know I would.
2011 Season - No excuses. Just win!
On behalf of all the cool kids, we are sorry in advance for all the crap we are going to do to you.
Be looking for Antiswarm's first fiction novel The Last Pilgrims, due out in November of 2011.
No fair. You are treading on cool territory there.
Be looking for Antiswarm's first fiction novel The Last Pilgrims, due out in November of 2011.
it's entertainment
like a reality to show. It makes me want to come back tomorrow to see who else got voted off the island.
Sports depression
Symptoms = anger at inanimate objects like turf, uniforms, and tacos.
It’s clinical, look it up.
So while the rest of you wrestle with your precious moral ambiguity, His feats will be memorialized by the scribes who are paid to write them (or else). - London Raider
by raider realist on Nov 20, 2011 10:38 AM CST reply actions
It's science.
I’m really pissed off at this new lamp my wife bought. It’s taunting me over there in the corner.
I’m fixin to cover it with a blanket.
No bullfights. No gambling. No donkeys. No vanilla extracts. No piñatas. None of that stuff. Straight football. No switchblades.
by San Antonio Red Raider on Nov 20, 2011 10:48 AM CST up reply actions
A Sombrero is a good indicator of sports depression
If your wearing it on your back and the tip is pointing to the sky, it’s a dead giveaway. Can you spot the sports depressed fan in this video?
So while the rest of you wrestle with your precious moral ambiguity, His feats will be memorialized by the scribes who are paid to write them (or else). - London Raider
by raider realist on Nov 20, 2011 11:01 AM CST up reply actions
Tubs leave?
I hope Seth’s feeling that something is afoot will eventually turn into Tubs leaving, but I’m not optimistic. I’m just tired of Tommy’s act and have NO faith he’ll ever be up to the job. I’m just gonna accept the fact that TTU football is just gonna suck for a few years, and find another Tech sport to follow until that changes (BCG’s team). We lived through 7 years of losing football from 79 to 85—guess we better be prepared for a repeat.
Tubs rumor
Il’l talk to my folks about it in a little bit and see what I can see.
Nothing to report.
nebulous for the most part. Even the folks I talk to don’t have much. They have an unusually small amount of things to say. Not sure weather the unusual quietness means something or not. These folks are usually all over any football issue you can think of. It’s been like this for a while.
What I did learn: There was a Dallas faction or two in town last week for OSU and they stayed an extra day or two after- but no word on what was going on, if anything. -Inconclusive. I saw a few people from Dallas myself. They weren’t dressed for football or a long weekend, but they were dressed a little more formally. Who knows.
Lastly, and perhaps most curious, is that people with non-Tech affiliations are wanting to get involved and “help out” now somehow. We are talking outsiders. Not sure if anything is in motion there or not, or what it could mean.
Dallas faction
Those people were representatives of the Cotton Bowl game.
by Red and Black 71 on Nov 20, 2011 2:22 PM CST up reply actions
That may be
But, I think there were other folks in town too. Don’t want to give away how I know. Pretty sure they weren’t parents though.
Also, are you the Navy guy?
Navy guy?
No I’m not the “Navy guy”. I graduated from Tech in 1971—-walked on the baseball team my last 2 years.
By the way, what or who are you referring to as “Navy guy”?
by Red and Black 71 on Nov 20, 2011 11:22 PM CST up reply actions
Eh, mistaken identity.
71 was about the right time for a former member of the grapevine I talk to, who went back to wherever he was from for whatever reason. He was a navy guy.
At least they played well.
I know I shouldnt be content with that, but the fact is that they looked like garbage the past few weeks. The hustle was there, we just got beat.
The chicken is involved but the pig is committed
by maddraven1716 on Nov 20, 2011 12:17 PM CST via mobile reply actions
Seth
I would love to hear your thoughts on Zone blocking.
1) why the switch
2)is Moore the coach for this, we know he can coach
3)do we have the right guys for this
4)is it a reason for all the sideline passes?
5)did Troy zone block when Nb was there?
This is a 3 ring circus up in here......
by oldschoolraider on Nov 20, 2011 12:23 PM CST reply actions
Neal Brown- I have zero doubt that Tubs will return.
It is amazing to me how much success we had with the forward pass. That is what got the draw going, not the bubble screens. I have no doubt that Neal Brown knows a lot more about football than i do, but I still fill that in order to move to ball down field that throwing the ball north, south is much better than east, west.
Tubs has a history of firing coordinators in order to pull some heat off. Also he has raised a lot of money, something the bell tower boys were wanting in a coach. If they fire him, then that is them admitting that they were wrong.
Finally I have a close friend that is a big donor, and he received a letter from Kirby this week asking him to continue his support for that is how we will get on the right track. Money and success in college football can be compared to the chicken or egg argument. One doesn’t happen without the other. We have a fan base that my tip and return to the late 90s fan base. The Baylor game may be our bowl game. If we somehow win, it is possible that we won’t be invited to a bowl at all. I feel that a bowl outside of Texas doesn’t help this team at all. You can argue practice time, but unless you bench every senior then that is pointless argument.
Personal Financial Planning student graduating in December 2011, job offers welcome
If Tubs fires NB
Then who in the world would step into the OC spot? First, Tubs is a control freak so the new OC has to be young and impressionable able to roll-over on request. KK and Lincoln Riley won’t work for Tubs. No big name OC will work for Tubs unless you pay close to a million. The team is stacked with spread talent. Going to have to stay in the spread realm of OCs or you are looking at even more “rebuilding”. So changing the OC prolly gets you nowhere.
Agreed...
I don’t see any positives in firing Nb. I’m not a huge fan, but any replacement is sure to be a step back from our spread. There is no way tubs or hance would go for a kingsbury hire as oc…..which I would do in a heartbeat.
This is a 3 ring circus up in here......
by oldschoolraider on Nov 20, 2011 1:39 PM CST up reply actions
Worse, we lose our HC
"Oh, yeah. We don't even talk about Bowls much. We're so far away from being a team right now that can have a chance to compete in a Bowl." HC Tommy Tuberville.
Worse?
Hell no! Losing our HC would be the BEST solution. Tubs going would get people dancing in the streets in Lubbock—at least not the rich part of town, anyway. I’d love to see our HC “hit the road, Jack—and don’t you come back no more, no more….”
I’ll take Houston’s head coach and o coordinator.
by Techcuz on Nov 20, 2011 9:29 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
If we want to suspend
Reality….I would have replaced tubs after last year’s ut game…..but rational people frown on canning coaches after 3 games.
This is a 3 ring circus up in here......
by oldschoolraider on Nov 20, 2011 9:34 PM CST up reply actions
Sonny Cumbie vs Kliff Kingsbury
I think most people want Kliff Kingsbury, and I really like what he has done at UH. Something that must be considered is the fact that he has a 6th year QB in conference USA. Last year that team really struggled, which says a lot about how good their current QB is. That said, the each learned under coach Leach and Kingsbury is ahead in the coaching process. Quite frankly i think Lincoln Riley would be great. I do think that Tech has stayed away from players or coaches that learned directly under Leach, with Cumbie being an exception. As bad as the O had been the D has been much worse. We did expect that a bit, and the O has plenty of returning players.
I do hope and think that Brown is out.
Personal Financial Planning student graduating in December 2011, job offers welcome
I think the staff stays intact for next yr
And then everyone is let go Dec 2012. It’s too expensive to do it this yr. He will be a lame duck HC next yr and the players/fans will know it. Small chance of a 7-5 season next yr but anything less results in termination. The team does not trust the coaching staff. First bad loss next yr will bring this team down in a hurry. We are Baylor 2001-2008.
I had breakfast with a man named Jim Dodds who played basketball at TU a long time ago.
Wonderful man, and we spent two hours talking about the history of Texas Tech and Texas A&M. He told me that when Leach went to Tech he started watching them every Saturday. He was intrigued by ML and said in his eyes he was the best talent in the country.
At any rate, he felt really bad for Tech, but when we started talking about Tech’s future, he grabbed my arm in a very gentle way and said, “Tech has lost is lucky rabbit foot young man.”
"Oh, yeah. We don't even talk about Bowls much. We're so far away from being a team right now that can have a chance to compete in a Bowl." HC Tommy Tuberville.
Depression
Tech seems to be mired in a depression that cannot be improved upon for some time, regardless of coaching. If we keep them, it will continue. If we replace them, it could get worse before getting better. The only reality we have is one of uncertainty. It does appear that we could easily wind up 5-7 this year, with next year unclear at best. There was some kind of disconnect for three and a half games, but everyone seemed to try hard to reconnect this last game, almost pulling out a win. Doege’s INT late, to me, was the result of a great defensive play by Missouri, not necessarily anything Doege did or did not do.
For continuity sake, which might be as bad as it could be good, I hope all the coaches remain. We need to see what happens next year to see for sure where this program is headed. I understand that with coaching changes there can be some downgrade in results before anything moves upward. We do see what appears to be better thought of recruits signing on at Tech. If they do not relate to winning by the middle of next year, all the changes we have seen will have been in vain, no matter who is coaching.
The QB slot will be completely open next Spring, as we just have not had the success expected. I like all of our QBs, but hopefully one will step up big time by next season. It really does not matter who it is, just that the ‘winner’ will give us the best possible chance for victories over defeats. No names, just a lot of hope. I care a great deal about Texas Tech football and I want great success. Right now, that may not happen for a while, and that saddens me. As for injuries, that is just a part of the game, just a bigger part than any of us would like to see. Hopefully, that too will change for the better. GUNS UP! WRECH ’EM, TECH!
TTpilk
"Never, never, never give up." Winston Churchill
Reality Check
a) This team just isn’t very good. Worst defense since 2003, QB and WR’s are average at best when compared to recent Tech talent.
b) Competition has improved. Baylor, A&M and OSU are better than they used to be and KSU is back. We’ve added a conference game in place of a non-conference patsy.
c) New coaches and new system…neither of which fit the talent currently on the roster or the talent we are ever likely to get.
d) ML might have gotten another win or two, we would have scored more points and felt better about ourselves…but 7-5 was probably about the max. We go to a minor bowl and keep the streak alive (which I would gladly take right now.)
e) Next year will be about the same…the competition will be as good or better and I don’t see much relief on defense or major upgrades in the pipeline for the offense.
f) Tubs is done…he’ll get one more year, just because…but he’s done.
g) Rebuilding starts in 2013
"When you are right no one remembers, when you are wrong no one forgets."
Dang... have to wait until 2013 for rebuild....
Can’t we just order a new coach off the internet? My tortillas are getting moldy.
well..
OSU will see a PRECIPITOUS dropoff next year (massive attrition, not saying they’ll be terrible, but certainly on par with our transition from 08 to 09). Baylor has maybe one more year of RG3 doesn’t go pro (kid should be 1st round right now) but they’ll be exactly like Indy without Peyton Manning unless they have some other ridiculous stud hiding on the bench or about to sign for next year. A&M will be gone, that only leaves KState on your list, who is pretty stout with Snyder, and TCU will be tough. But I don’t think anything remaining SHOULD be a long term issue. That said, if Hance really had the goals he noted for firing Leach/hiring Tuberville, he should’ve hired Snyder, since he’s got a .600 career win pct against UT.
The only goal Hance had for firing Leach was firing Leach. The rest was post-firing spin. Improving the program never entered his mind.
"I’ve established a reputation for integrity. I have maintained those high standards" - Craig James
by TechFirst on Nov 20, 2011 8:23 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
I agree that OSU will drop off and it remains to be seen...
how Baylor will fare long-term. Texas should be very tough next year. Iowa State will continue to improve and we play them in Ames. TCU next year will be better than A&M this year. We play KSU at their place. OU is OU but we can beat them in Lubbock. Just my sense that the overall quality of competition within the conference has improved. Would have been great to see how ML team would have done.
"When you are right no one remembers, when you are wrong no one forgets."
Must have spoken with Tubby
Quote by Bob Davie, the new University of New Mexico football coach.
“I’ve seen the best and talked to the best,” Davie said. “I know — I know — my system works.”
That system is a strong physical defense and a grinding, run-oriented offense, the kind former head coach Rocky Long had success with during his tenure.
Hopefully his success will lure a Mountain West school to hire Tubby
Well, he went 35-25 at ND
And a BCS game (Fiesta Bowl) appearance. He wasn’t lights out, but he didn’t really suck while there, either. He also had an almost 100% grad rate.
He’ll be better than anything else they’ve seen in decades at UNM.
11/12/11...66-6...I once was blind, but now I see.
That's true
And Davie will make an improvement (hell, anything would be an improvement there) at UNM. With our luck, they just might beat us at the Jones. It sure wouldn’t surprise me!
If we don't figure things out in the offseason...
And Davie truly does plan to install a power run offense, then they probably will beat us, since “teams that run the football” are our achilles heel. (maybe that’s Tuberville’s goal, to absolutely suck against the run to prove to all of us “haters” how awesome it would be to be a running team)
I stand corrected....
I guess I only remembered the last few years before he got fired….and you’re right, the bar is not very high at UNM.
BTW...
Can you get green chile burgers at UNM’s concession stands?
Congrats to (Gives Up 250 YPG) Russian Coffee
Tech is now ranked next to last nationally in rushing defense ahead of only hapless UNM.
Total defense currently ranks 115th with the #2 ranked Baylor offense looming. And after last year’s 114th place finish, so many on DTN said there was nowhere to go but up!
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