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DTN Daily Diatribe | Texas Tech News, Notes and Links | 2011-11-22

ODDS AND ENDS

WVU aiming for 2012 start in Big 12, despite Big East's lawsuit - NCAA Football - CBSSports.com
This is funny, at least to me, as Neinas is mad (you mad bro?) at Missouri at the way that they left, but I'm guessing that he's welcoming West Virginia with open arms.

Dodds thinks Horns will still play on future Thanksgivings
We will all arrange our chairs so that UT will always and forever have a Thanksgiving Day game at home.  No worries.

TRACK AND FIELD

Tanui Finishes 35th At NCAA Championships To Earn All-America - Texas Tech Red Raiders Official Athletic Site
Congrats to Rose on her second All-American designation.  Tanui finished in the top 10 last year, so I'd guess she's a bit disappointed, but still quite a honor to be competing for a national championship.

LADY RAIDER SOFTBALL

Texas Tech Softball Inks 10 Signees During Fall Period - Texas Tech Red Raiders Official Athletic Site
Shannon Hays has done a fairly remarkable job turning around this program.  Need to keep him in mind when talking about coaches at Texas Tech that are getting it done.

LADY RAIDER VOLLEYBALL

Tech Seniors Share Special Bond - Texas Tech Red Raiders Official Athletic Site
Nice article on Texas Tech's two seniors on the volleyball team.

TEXAS TECH FOOTBALL

Press Conference | Head Coach Tommy Tuberville & QB Seth Doege
I don't have time to have a separate post on yesterday's press conference.  You can find plenty of things to discuss today if you want to take a look.  I thought it was interesting that Tuberville talked openly about recruiting another running back and two junior college cornerbacks.  I posted about one JUCO cornerback last week, but there's apparently another corner that will get an offer.  Tuberville also talks about having a defensive back come in to the program in January and I'd guess that it's DB Thierry Nguema (DTN recruiting profile).  I still wouldn't be at all surprised to see to JUCO cornerbacks, a couple of JUCO defensive linemen, a JUCO offensive lineman and maybe a JUCO tight end?  I hadn't thought about it, but I would think that there would be a tight end in this class, JUCO or freshman. 

More stuff after the jump.

Star-divide

Stephens scheduled for surgery, braces for long rehab | Red Raiders
This is depressing, RB Eric Stephens doesn't have surgery until today as his knee was messed up enough that it required him to wait six weeks, which means that his rehabilitation could last until next year.  Stephens could redshirt, but I'm guessing he wants to get out on the field.  Bah.

Washington, Torres, Edwards all suffer knee injuries at Missouri | Red Raiders
Still waiting on the results for RB DeAndre Washington, WR Alex Torres and LG Lonnie Edwards.  RB Aaron Crawford is also injured his ankle ,but he's a warrior:

"I’ve had worse," said Crawford, who was wearing a boot on his right foot. "I’ve been in worse situations. I wouldn’t say there’s any pressure. But if I can move I’m going to play and not leave anybody out to dry. I’m going to give it my all."

Red Raiders football notebook: Tech disputes Byrne claim | Red Raiders
So remember last week when I had that FanShot about how TAMU AD Bill Byrne said that UT threatened Texas Tech about a game being on television?  Texas Tech spokesperson, Blayne Beal says that's bullsh:

"ESPN presented a plan," Beal said. "We reviewed it and decided against it."

Okay.

The move to cornerback for Cornelius Douglas is permanent and I would agree with Tuberville on his assessment of Douglas' play:

"I thought Cornelius made us a better football team, even though he’s just been over there a short period of time," Tuberville said. "Just his knowledge of football. Sometimes with our corners, we have struggled just playing with a lot of football knowledge."

Williams: Tech bowl game doesn't seem likely | Red Raiders and Reeling Red Raiders need 1 more win for bowl eligibility - The Daily Toreador: Sports
Both articles are about Texas Tech getting to, or not getting to, a bowl game. 

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Neinas is a hypocritical fool

bitched about Mizzou leaving us in a lurch but likely pressured WVU to file suit to leave Big East in a lurch.
potentially leaving us with 9 teams and below out tv contract obligation rather than worked harder to get us BYU which could have played in 2012.
and is pushing us to stay at 9.5 rather than back to 12 or even go to 14 by 2014.

when i look at it all, he is no better than bebee, A&M still gone. Mizzou left under Neinas watch. TCU would have joined no matter what. WVU, Louisville, and Cincinnati would sign with us regardless of who is commissioner. we are no better off with him than bebee.

by fracas on Nov 22, 2011 6:17 AM CST reply actions  

Please don’t call anyone names, even the commish of the Big 12.

Go Raiders . . .
Double-T Nation

by Seth C on Nov 22, 2011 8:10 AM CST up reply actions  

How about - Neinas has made foolish moves which smack of hypocrisy?

Adjectives are associated with the actions rather than the man himself. Acceptable?

by rednblackET on Nov 22, 2011 9:23 AM CST up reply actions  

Absolutely.

Go Raiders . . .
Double-T Nation

by Seth C on Nov 22, 2011 9:24 AM CST up reply actions  

C.R.E.A.M.

when you’re managing a million-dollar operation your personal opinions go by the wayside. Just another way in which rivers of cash are making me feel dirty for enjoying college football.

by mojavereject on Nov 22, 2011 9:38 AM CST up reply actions  

I would love to hear the true story on why things didn’t work out with BYU. Everything seemed to fit perfectly for both parties and thin it all kind of dissolved. The playing on Sunday thing couldn’t have been that big of a stumbling block, could it?

by bflood36 on Nov 22, 2011 10:08 AM CST up reply actions  

Neinas did what he is supposed to do didn't he ?

Certainly he was to complain about Mizu leaving !

And certainly he was to welcome the new arrival !!

Living large in Texas...Texas forever.

by TallMike on Nov 22, 2011 5:15 PM CST up reply actions  

I think Coach is under too much pressure not to bring in a bunch of JUCO guys. Even Thou he said he wouldn’t bring more than a couple. I bet we see 4 or 5 next year. Its good to hear he is bringing in CBs, especially knowing they will come in for spring camp. That’s a good thing.
Im happy to see Corn Dog is staying on Defense, we could use him.

by Techcuz on Nov 22, 2011 6:38 AM CST reply actions  

JUCO...

I was told 2 weeks ago by the staff that Coach Prunty was given the green light to go after much needed JUCO players. Expect some big announcements prior to signing day.

by TechPrezNB on Nov 22, 2011 6:48 AM CST via mobile reply actions  

I really hate being such a downer but ...

it won’t matter who they bring in, how fast they run or how quick they are. Even if they had a full team of players, the play calling, attitude, and adjustments aren’t there. If Tubs keeps his job, I suspect the next year is going to be as long as this year.

In the last two years we are 5-11 against Big 12 competition. Really? Who jacked my sweet ride?

by Arizona Raider on Nov 22, 2011 7:16 AM CST up reply actions  

Don't know

why this wasn’t done a lot sooner!! But I’m glad it’s finally going to be done now.

by Skyywalker on Nov 22, 2011 7:36 AM CST up reply actions  

That timing is interesting

Wasn’t it about 2 weeks ago that Tuberville made it a point to discuss not recruiting JUCO guys? Said he wanted guys in the program for 5 years, etc…

I have no idea what the plan is. This guy baffles me.

No bullfights. No gambling. No donkeys. No vanilla extracts. No piñatas. None of that stuff. Straight football. No switchblades.

by San Antonio Red Raider on Nov 22, 2011 8:09 AM CST up reply actions  

He still thinks we run the 3-4 and he coaches at Auburn, just sad.

Simple rule of thumb: Everything before the but is BS.

by FriscoRaider on Nov 22, 2011 8:12 AM CST up reply actions  

I think TallMike elaborated last week and said that Tuberville would like to have a couple of JUCO’s in each class, which is standard. He had a couple last year, Wesley, Mackey and Kennard (I think that was it. But I’m guessing that a couple may turn into a handful as I think he knows that he needs immediate help. The OL graduates 3 players (Edwards, Keown and Okafor) and I think that there and along the DL he’s going to need some additional bodies to go along with some reinforcements in the secondary.

Go Raiders . . .
Double-T Nation

by Seth C on Nov 22, 2011 8:13 AM CST up reply actions  

One other thing, and this is a guess on my part, but since he said that he wants another running back, does anyone else thing that this may mean that Ronnie Daniels is on thin ice? I don’t know what Daniels did, but I hope he can get back on track.

Go Raiders . . .
Double-T Nation

by Seth C on Nov 22, 2011 8:14 AM CST up reply actions  

this is just rumor so take it with a grain of salt...

but i read it had something to do with failing a drug test of the herbal plant kind….

Texas Tech Defense..."60% of the time it works every time."

by I bleed Red and Black on Nov 22, 2011 8:25 AM CST up reply actions  

Rumor

I’ve heard theirs a good chance he’s not back also

by RedRaid13 on Nov 22, 2011 9:57 AM CST via mobile up reply actions  

Rumor

I’ve heard there is a good chance he’s not back also

by RedRaid13 on Nov 22, 2011 9:57 AM CST via mobile up reply actions  

So drinking yourself stupid

and to the point of puking is ok but smoking some pot is off limits. If he was suspended all season for smoking pot then thats just ridiculous. Self rightous dooshbaggery.

by MrT75 on Nov 22, 2011 5:28 PM CST up reply actions  

I wouldn't jump to conclusions

He was suspended for one game, played the next week, and was immediately re-suspended. Take that for what you will, but giving people second chances but dealing severely with repeat offenders is anything but self-righteous behavior

by mojavereject on Nov 22, 2011 6:51 PM CST via iPhone app up reply actions  

Both drinking and puking are fully legal !

Sometimes recommended !

Geeesh !

Living large in Texas...Texas forever.

by TallMike on Nov 23, 2011 1:44 PM CST up reply actions  

Attitude toward JUCO recruits...

I think our attitude toward JUCO recruits should depend on our optimism/pessimism about Tuberville’s longterm prognosis. If Tubby is going to be here fro the next three years, then I’m okay with bringing in JUCO players. Mackey, Wesley, and Kennard all contributed this year. Imaging how much help we could get from a couple of JUCO DBs or LBs who are of the same caliber as those guys.

However, if there is a very real chance that Tuberville gets fired after a poor showing in 2012, then JUCOs are definitely OUT. If there were some who thought Leach left the cubbard bare in 2009, imagine what this team will look like after the 2012 season if he brings in 4-5 JUCOs this offseason who get significant playing time in 2012. There will simply be nothing left to build on.

I do not like JUCO OLs under any circumstances. OL is the most mental position in the game, and those guys need 2-3 years just to learn the system… and JUCO players are often JUCO players because they’re not that bright.

by battledome on Nov 22, 2011 9:12 AM CST up reply actions  

I'd say he's not so much on thin ice

as floating in very cold water. With Stephens back, Washington back, and Williams hopefully developing some more power in the offseason, I presume Daniels will need to make some pretty big leaps forward in the character department to make it back on the field.

by mojavereject on Nov 22, 2011 9:41 AM CST up reply actions  

Shame too

Daniels looked like a SERIOUS play maker in the spring and what little time he played too

by Skyywalker on Nov 22, 2011 9:43 AM CST up reply actions  

I don't begrudge him the time he needs to grow up

it’s absolutely true that some people just can’t learn things the easy way. Football’s not everything and he clearly needs time to get his mind right.

by mojavereject on Nov 22, 2011 9:53 AM CST up reply actions  

I like that thought, moja

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by TallMike on Nov 22, 2011 4:54 PM CST up reply actions  

I am looking at Daniels in the same context as we saw with Smith.

We really won’t know until a coach says he will be back whenever.

Like Smith we don’t really know much, although there is a lot of rumor with Daniels. Whether he comes back likely depends on him, how he manages himself opposite whatever it was that got him in a crack with the staff. So it one sense it is until whenever as the shortest time and on the other hand, if he messes up, it is forever that he will not play TTU football.

Living large in Texas...Texas forever.

by TallMike on Nov 22, 2011 4:52 PM CST up reply actions  

If he gets into much more trouble

I see him transferring to a program that will let him play regardless

i like lose women

by freakinout on Nov 22, 2011 6:50 PM CST up reply actions  

You are on to something. That was OSU right?

I think some things went on that weekend. That was the weekend of the Dallas delegation(s) showing up. I wonder what else was decided or put into motion?

I remember a press conference like that too, and he made a pretty weak case against the JUCO guys in it. Just strange.

by Raider289 on Nov 22, 2011 8:15 AM CST up reply actions  

You can plan for 5 years when you think you have 5 years

He must have been given a signal that somebody else will be coaching his recruits in 2015 if this year & next don’t get any better.

2011 Season - No excuses. Just win!

by mbrown603 on Nov 22, 2011 11:17 AM CST up reply actions  

It was recently that he talked about that.

Then we saw all these guys get injured and who are scheduled for surgery…about 8 of them total…that ought to make one consider changing a plan.

Living large in Texas...Texas forever.

by TallMike on Nov 22, 2011 4:55 PM CST up reply actions  

Watching mediocre teams cram the ball down your throat all night

ought to make a person reconsider a plan, too. But not so much.

"I’ve established a reputation for integrity. I have maintained those high standards" - Craig James

by TechFirst on Nov 22, 2011 5:47 PM CST up reply actions  

A page from Coach Snyder at KSU?

If I recall coreectly, the use of JUCO players by Synder when he came back was a key ingredient in KSU development of the program.

Just another example of Synder being a superior coach to Coach Tuberville.

by oldguyred on Nov 22, 2011 9:09 AM CST up reply actions  

Sometimes JUCO players can work out wonderfully, and sometimes it can cripple a defense. See TTU’s 2008 recruiting class where there were 4 JUCO’s signed (Jarrell Routt, McKinner Dixon, Brandon Sesay and Broderick Marshall). I don’t think Marshall played a down, Dixon and Sesay each played 1 season and Routt never contributed. When it works out, it’s great, but when it doesn’t it can be downright awful.

Go Raiders . . .
Double-T Nation

by Seth C on Nov 22, 2011 9:12 AM CST up reply actions  

i guess it all depends on the caliber of JUCO players.
I recall Mackey and Kennard were the top JUCO players at the time.
Pruny can get the good ones.

by Techcuz on Nov 22, 2011 9:23 AM CST up reply actions  

Marshall, Sesay and Dixon were all 4-star players. It can be a crap-shoot if you’re not careful.

Go Raiders . . .
Double-T Nation

by Seth C on Nov 22, 2011 9:24 AM CST up reply actions  

Dixon actually played two years with Tech, if I recall...

wasn’t he a Big XII all-freshman teamer with us before leaving for a sophomore season as a JUCO… and then coming back as a junior… and then going away again as a senior?

by battledome on Nov 22, 2011 9:26 AM CST up reply actions  

I think that’s right, he declared for the supplemental NFL draft if I recall.

Go Raiders . . .
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by Seth C on Nov 22, 2011 9:27 AM CST up reply actions  

And Daniel Howard (little known JUCO) played his rear off in place of Dixon in 2009.

Go Raiders . . .
Double-T Nation

by Seth C on Nov 22, 2011 9:29 AM CST up reply actions  

His father used to frequent this website.

Nice guy and very passionate about TTU Football.

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Without Questions, There are limited Resources...

by KWashburn on Nov 23, 2011 11:30 AM CST up reply actions  

He put up a fan post for the ages called The End of an Era

Talking about helping his son pack up at the end of his senior season while the old coaching staff was being run out of town on a rail at the same time.

2011 Season - No excuses. Just win!

by mbrown603 on Nov 23, 2011 8:21 PM CST up reply actions  

Dixon was a guy Tech recruited out of high school

he played in ‘05 but quickly became an academic casualty, managed to get back and play all of ’08, then played maybe a game or two in 09 before falling back into his old ways. In that sense he’s not your typical JUCO guy, but in general I agree, with the JUCO route you can get a lot of talent and experience quickly, but you’re also inviting a lot of character issues into your locker room as there’s usually a reason why a talented player went JUCO.

by mojavereject on Nov 22, 2011 9:46 AM CST up reply actions  

yep

then after they are gone we don’t have quality behind them…

Texas Tech Defense..."60% of the time it works every time."

by I bleed Red and Black on Nov 22, 2011 9:26 AM CST up reply actions  

JUCO #s

here is a good link that shows how many JUCOS each team has signed over the past 4 years.
K-State leads the country with 39. So I am curious to see how they drop off next year if their new crop of JUCOs doesn’t pan out.

http://www.al.com/sports/index.ssf/2011/01/which_football_teams_sign_the.html

by Techcuz on Nov 22, 2011 9:32 AM CST up reply actions  

good find!

Texas Tech Defense..."60% of the time it works every time."

by I bleed Red and Black on Nov 22, 2011 9:58 AM CST up reply actions  

We’ve had some good success with JUCO players. I tend to think Smith would have had a much better carreer at Tech had he not gotten suspended last season. Also, historically speaking we were lucky enough to have Dwayne Slay.

"You've got to find your inner pirate" - Mike Leach

by Raider1992 on Nov 22, 2011 9:25 AM CST up reply actions  

I think it makes

Tubs very happy for everyone to discuss the merits of juco players or not….meanwhile the are a hundred couches burning in the background and smu and Baylor have better programs.
Happy thanksgiving…

This is a 3 ring circus up in here......

by oldschoolraider on Nov 22, 2011 9:35 AM CST up reply actions  

Sad but true. I never would have thought Baylor would have a better team than Tech. This conference isn’t going to get any easier for Tuberville.

"You've got to find your inner pirate" - Mike Leach

by Raider1992 on Nov 22, 2011 9:48 AM CST up reply actions  

There is no shame

In smu or Baylor occasionally having a better team…but if the program is better?

This is a 3 ring circus up in here......

by oldschoolraider on Nov 22, 2011 11:32 AM CST up reply actions  

That is a great old school kind of thought.

No way Baylor or Smeew has a better program that the Scarlet and Black…

That has not always been the case, Baylor was once pretty strong, and Smeew had the best program money could buy.

Living large in Texas...Texas forever.

by TallMike on Nov 22, 2011 5:00 PM CST up reply actions  

Baylor was SWC Co-Champs in '73

They got annihilated by Penn St in the Cotton Bowl, but at least they were there. And they didn’t leave a trail of dead hookers in their wake.

"I’ve established a reputation for integrity. I have maintained those high standards" - Craig James

by TechFirst on Nov 22, 2011 5:50 PM CST up reply actions  

You can't blame SMU for those dead hookers. James would have killed them at any school

All they knew is that Craig James showed up in starched khakis & a polo shirt, so they thought he was one of them. How were they to know he was the Dexter of Harry Hines Blvd?

2011 Season - No excuses. Just win!

by mbrown603 on Nov 22, 2011 6:38 PM CST up reply actions  

I would think

that the use and selection of JUCO players could also be a function of the effectiveness of the head coach and his coaching staff.

Therein lies our dilemma. The effective and successful utilization of the players a coach elects to bring into the program.

But you’re correct in that the use of JUCO players is a crap shoot.

by oldguyred on Nov 22, 2011 12:51 PM CST up reply actions  

Wasting Away Again in Tommy Tuberville

I think it’s time to update the lyrics…otherwise this is a classic:
http://www.sectalk.com/board/topic/33217-wastin-away-again-in-tommy-tuberville/

"When you are right no one remembers, when you are wrong no one forgets."

by snc915 on Nov 22, 2011 7:31 AM CST reply actions   1 recs

That is a Classic

One for the archives! Thanks for finding this snc…

The pessimist complains about the wind. The optimist expects it to change. The leader adjusts the sails.

by candyroll on Nov 22, 2011 7:59 AM CST up reply actions  

Not bad.

Ironically enough, if there ever was a Key West song…
How about that.

by Raider289 on Nov 22, 2011 9:22 AM CST up reply actions  

I hope washington is ok...that kid is legit.

he will be just as good or better than Eric Stephens….mark my words. The kid can flat out play football.

Texas Tech Defense..."60% of the time it works every time."

by I bleed Red and Black on Nov 22, 2011 7:59 AM CST reply actions  

Yep

Washington is going to be really great in the future. I tend to think he’s performed the best out of all freshman that have made it to the field. Dees is a close second.

"You've got to find your inner pirate" - Mike Leach

by Raider1992 on Nov 22, 2011 8:36 AM CST up reply actions  

where is Dees now ?

Living large in Texas...Texas forever.

by TallMike on Nov 22, 2011 5:00 PM CST up reply actions  

Injured - out for the season

"You've got to find your inner pirate" - Mike Leach

by Raider1992 on Nov 22, 2011 6:13 PM CST up reply actions  

Thanks, I missed that one.

Living large in Texas...Texas forever.

by TallMike on Nov 23, 2011 1:46 PM CST up reply actions  

What happened to Harrison Jeffers? He was good enough to play as a freshman, so something else must be wrong there.

Simple rule of thumb: Everything before the but is BS.

by FriscoRaider on Nov 22, 2011 8:41 AM CST up reply actions  

Don't despair...

Batch bounced back from knee injuries… this kid could too

by battledome on Nov 22, 2011 9:22 AM CST up reply actions  

This Bill Bryne stufff

He exaggerates. We know that.

Let’s look at it this way though: He saw the light on ESPN/LHN and didn’t waste much time doing something to get some distance from it AND even wen’t as far as looking at a backup plan for that, too. That cat notices ALL the mice going by.

He also did us a big favor and made sure we don’t have to deal with the Aggies anymore.

I am starting to think he is easy to underestimate.

by Raider289 on Nov 22, 2011 8:04 AM CST reply actions  

How about that edit button?

I apostrophated the word went. I guess it’s better than the word going’d.

by Raider289 on Nov 22, 2011 8:10 AM CST up reply actions  

Old Spice Classic info

Good find.. I know we hate ESPN but here ya go.

http://espn.go.com/blog/collegebasketballnation/post/_/id/33661/bracket-reveal-old-spice-classic

Texas Tech Defense..."60% of the time it works every time."

by I bleed Red and Black on Nov 22, 2011 8:16 AM CST reply actions  

awww yes

much better than espn

Texas Tech Defense..."60% of the time it works every time."

by I bleed Red and Black on Nov 22, 2011 8:24 AM CST up reply actions  

I still think it’s an ESPN site.

Go Raiders . . .
Double-T Nation

by Seth C on Nov 22, 2011 8:29 AM CST up reply actions  

Yep

Copyright

©2010 ESPN Internet Ventures.

by Raider289 on Nov 22, 2011 8:34 AM CST up reply actions  

SUCK!

Texas Tech Defense..."60% of the time it works every time."

by I bleed Red and Black on Nov 22, 2011 8:59 AM CST up reply actions  

Looking at the bracket, we get at least 3 games in the tourney and all but maybe the last place game will be televised. This will be a good test.

Simple rule of thumb: Everything before the but is BS.

by FriscoRaider on Nov 22, 2011 8:54 AM CST up reply actions  

i hope so!

Minnesota is a pretty decent team.

Texas Tech Defense..."60% of the time it works every time."

by I bleed Red and Black on Nov 22, 2011 8:59 AM CST up reply actions  

The DT article about Baylor and the bowl isn't bad.

Straight football, no switchblades. That’s refreshing.
They can sometimes be a little imaginative over there.

by Raider289 on Nov 22, 2011 8:27 AM CST reply actions  

Even though we're currently a doormat

I sure hope Tech is working on getting that Thanksgiving game with Texas. Might as well fill the void left by A&M. Personally, I’m not big on a Thanksgiving Day game (probably wouldn’t ever attend), but this just makes good business sense. Would be a shame to let this game go to new baby brother, TCU.

Injuries – There has been a lot of discussion about the reasons for so many injuries (poor S&C, bad luck, bad turf, etc.) I have no answers. I just hope the staff takes a close look at this during the off-season (like any other phase of the game) and implements plans to improve whatever aspects they can control. No excuses, but injuries have had an impact on this season.

by rednblackET on Nov 22, 2011 9:15 AM CST reply actions  

Not just us on injuries

I haven’t been keeping any kind of tally, but it seems every day I see something about other teams losing players. Fozzy last week, Gray and Michael now gone for fishbait, OU losing their WR and RB studs, etc. Fishbait will be playing a soph and a freshman with less than one game’s experience at RB against UT. But we do seem to have suffered more than most.

We seem to be everyone’s first choice to replace fishbait – UT on turkey day and a Dallas game for Arkansas.

"I’ve established a reputation for integrity. I have maintained those high standards" - Craig James

by TechFirst on Nov 22, 2011 9:23 AM CST up reply actions  

I tend to think Tech and UT on Thanksgiving is a somewhat done deal. Both teams make for a good rivalry and I’m fairly sure Hocutt has pushed for that game during all the realighnment discussions.

"You've got to find your inner pirate" - Mike Leach

by Raider1992 on Nov 22, 2011 9:29 AM CST up reply actions  

I agree, but...

The game will be a total bust. Longhorns are already bitching about it thinking we’re not “worthy” of their time on Thanksgiving (ie. they’re likely not gonna show up for it, good job leveraging that UT game for ticket Hance) and if Tuberville stays on course, then the Tech fanbase will be so apathetic that no Red Raiders will want to skip time with family to be at the game either.

by HeeroTX on Nov 22, 2011 9:39 AM CST up reply actions  

All good points

I suspect Tech fans will show up but that’s soley based on our ability to be competitive. A performance like this year isn’t going to build excitement around that game. A Leach team and you would have had to bring in extra seating. Tech’s alure is way down and I can see why UT has concerns. I have concerns. I tend to think it’s going to be set on trial basis to see how well it goes. Bottom line is Tuberville’s performance as Tech’s coach is damaging and leaves a great deal of unknowns moving forward which isn’t good.

"You've got to find your inner pirate" - Mike Leach

by Raider1992 on Nov 22, 2011 9:58 AM CST up reply actions  

Long term damage

If another team gets into that slot, we could be hurt well after TT goes back to the catfish farm.

"I’ve established a reputation for integrity. I have maintained those high standards" - Craig James

by TechFirst on Nov 22, 2011 11:18 AM CST up reply actions  

Rec'd....

More forethought went into this post than from our braintrust

This is a 3 ring circus up in here......

by oldschoolraider on Nov 22, 2011 11:34 AM CST up reply actions  

And I forgot to mention the student section

Hance said that 80% of Tech students come from 200 plus miles away from Lubbock. Those students will be home with their families on Thanksgiving Day. If you are spending $40,000 a year to pay for your kid’s education, you aren’t letting the kid win that argument that Thanksgiving with the family is optional.

2011 Season - No excuses. Just win!

by mbrown603 on Nov 22, 2011 11:37 AM CST up reply actions  

I think it could be ugly....

And you have many fans holding on to their money until leadership changes. It could be real ugly, and you would only have a handful to blame.

This is a 3 ring circus up in here......

by oldschoolraider on Nov 22, 2011 12:08 PM CST up reply actions  

If you're spending 40K/yr at tech

you’re doing it wrong.

i like lose women

by freakinout on Nov 22, 2011 7:07 PM CST up reply actions  

I think I hit about 30K total

but I payed all my expenses, so they aren’t in that figure.

i like lose women

by freakinout on Nov 22, 2011 10:25 PM CST up reply actions  

not happening

tu wants the game AT HOME every year. They will rotate between teams if they have to. They asked tech to play there every year, we said no, now they’re trying to get TCU and Baylor to rotate.

by ZITbass0104 on Nov 23, 2011 9:03 AM CST via iPhone app up reply actions  

Kids from 200 miles or more from the Hub City

are begging mom and dad for $$$ to come home and get away from that dust bowl for a while!

by NH(former)Raider on Nov 22, 2011 10:38 PM CST up reply actions  

andddddddd

Cue the "Texas and DeLoss Dodds try to get everything they want and break up the new Big 12 because they are a proud partner with " scene….

#FireNealBrown

by ttutyler on Nov 22, 2011 9:40 AM CST reply actions  

hahaha... wow

If there was ANY doubt that Tuberville hates the pass (and I know there is very little if any here), this quote from Tuberville on one of Seth’s links is great:

"He absolutely beat one of the better teams in the country by himself — up and down the field, taking advantage, running the ball. I’m sure they kind of grimaced when he threw that ball right there at the end 50 yards down the field to the corner on a perfect strike. I know when he let it go I’m thinking, ‘This thing could be intercepted, and they still have a chance for a field goal.’ But what a throw."

I like how he specifically points out Griffin’s “taking advantage, running the ball”, and how risky the pass was. I beat he’d swap out two receivers at Baylor for two lead blockers and have the PERFECT Baylor option team. (-_-)

by HeeroTX on Nov 22, 2011 9:46 AM CST reply actions  

Well, it's no "Three things can happen when you throw the ball and two of them are bad"

but I definitely think Tuberville looks at a player like RGIII and thinks about what a fantastic running back he’d be if he’d gotten his hands on him

by mojavereject on Nov 22, 2011 9:49 AM CST up reply actions  

Just over on FootballScoop.com and this stuck me
Greg Mattison – University of Michigan

Greg Mattison has overseen a complete turnaround in the Michigan defense. Last season, Michigan’s defense ranked 108th in scoring defense, allowing an average of over 35 points per game…this season, they are ranked #8, allowing 16 points per game. Last season, they were 110th in total defense, this season #14. Michigan finished 7-6 last season, this year they are currently 9-2. Mattison’s defense is a big part of that turnaround.

Earlier today I was reading an interview new Lobos coach Bob Davie had with the local paper and found this insight particularly interesting:


Losing brings out the worst in everybody. Some kid sitting there that I’m gonna meet with, he may be a heck of a lot better player, better citizen, better person than he is right now. He’s just beaten down.

My intuition tells me there is a whole lot of something going on the field house.

by Arizona Raider on Nov 22, 2011 10:00 AM CST reply actions  

Malfunctions this morning.

I got itchy head guy. The man behind the curtain has been notified.

by Raider289 on Nov 22, 2011 10:36 AM CST reply actions  

Can you get comments like this on any other site?

I don’t damn think so.

No bullfights. No gambling. No donkeys. No vanilla extracts. No piñatas. None of that stuff. Straight football. No switchblades.

by San Antonio Red Raider on Nov 22, 2011 9:54 PM CST up reply actions  

That's what happens.

 I think it was 503? I also had other errors.

by Raider289 on Nov 22, 2011 10:05 PM CST up reply actions  

You are never allowed to leave DTN

No bullfights. No gambling. No donkeys. No vanilla extracts. No piñatas. None of that stuff. Straight football. No switchblades.

by San Antonio Red Raider on Nov 22, 2011 10:14 PM CST up reply actions  

They (other sites)

Can’t do what we do…although we can do what they do

This is a 3 ring circus up in here......

by oldschoolraider on Nov 22, 2011 10:29 PM CST up reply actions  

expect for the porn

but those are different sites

i like lose women

by freakinout on Nov 22, 2011 10:30 PM CST up reply actions  

What, no porn here? I am writing a farewell FanPost.

Simple rule of thumb: Everything before the but is BS.

by FriscoRaider on Nov 23, 2011 7:35 AM CST up reply actions  

Raider289 has made me a smarter man.

I log in, then log off, then log in again- just to try and figure out his riddles.

No bullfights. No gambling. No donkeys. No vanilla extracts. No piñatas. None of that stuff. Straight football. No switchblades.

by San Antonio Red Raider on Nov 22, 2011 10:39 PM CST up reply actions  

sounds like tcu could be playing the horns on thanksgiving. that would suck for tech .

by techsj on Nov 22, 2011 11:23 AM CST via mobile reply actions  

Yep. Now I’m hearing it’s a rotation series among Tech, Baylor and TCU. Always based in Austin obviously.

"You've got to find your inner pirate" - Mike Leach

by Raider1992 on Nov 22, 2011 1:14 PM CST up reply actions  

"Always based in Austin"

How the hell did they pull that one off? That’s some bulsh…….

by RdrPwr on Nov 22, 2011 1:19 PM CST up reply actions  

Nothing concrete yet but it’s Deloss’s conference so I suspect it will stick. We’ll still have every other year against them in Lubbock but not on Thanksgiving is how I read it.

"You've got to find your inner pirate" - Mike Leach

by Raider1992 on Nov 22, 2011 1:27 PM CST up reply actions  

Ok cool, we want a big 12 game on labor day saturday every year at our place.

Baylor can have…… Halloween? TCU gets…..screw it they should just consider themselves lucky to be invited.

by RdrPwr on Nov 22, 2011 3:57 PM CST up reply actions  

Hmmmmm

Even with my Tech education, I can cipher that every other year in Lubbock and every third year in Austin are not going to match up.

"I’ve established a reputation for integrity. I have maintained those high standards" - Craig James

by TechFirst on Nov 22, 2011 4:02 PM CST up reply actions  

TTU should not touch any deal with anyone that is not on an equal basis.

I don’t care how much money they have.

If they want to play us on Thanksgiving, it is home and home, if they want to play in Dallas it is two back to back seasons.

If they don’t want to do this with us, let them have TCU, SMU, Texas State, someone in SEC maroon, anyone…

Living large in Texas...Texas forever.

by TallMike on Nov 22, 2011 5:06 PM CST up reply actions   1 recs

^^ This

"I’ve established a reputation for integrity. I have maintained those high standards" - Craig James

by TechFirst on Nov 22, 2011 5:51 PM CST up reply actions  

Guess Dodds thinks the UT franchise is kinda like the Dallas Cowboy franchise, look for the game to be on the LHN if you want to be included.

Simple rule of thumb: Everything before the but is BS.

by FriscoRaider on Nov 22, 2011 1:23 PM CST up reply actions  

if it's on LHN

then ALL teams should say “no thanks”, I think any teams playing UT will get ZERO “publicity” bump for playing UT on LHN, and only get money bump if UT/ESPN pays out the nose. And honestly, even with our pathetic status atm, we should ALWAYS refuse to play on LHN just on principle.

by HeeroTX on Nov 22, 2011 1:36 PM CST up reply actions  

Now if its on the LHN they are gonna start another mass exodus.

by Techcuz on Nov 22, 2011 1:24 PM CST up reply actions  

Not for at least 6 years.

Simple rule of thumb: Everything before the but is BS.

by FriscoRaider on Nov 22, 2011 1:25 PM CST up reply actions  

The source:

ChuckCarltonDMN Chuck Carlton
To replace A&M, Texas hopes to rotate Big 12 games at home. AD Deloss Dodds: "We want to play Thanksgiving night every year in our stadium."

Candidates would like include Texas Tech, TCU and Baylor. "It’s probably better if it’s somebody in-state, for travel," Dodds said.

"You've got to find your inner pirate" - Mike Leach

by Raider1992 on Nov 22, 2011 1:39 PM CST up reply actions  

It's still bullshit

Having a Thanksgiving game every year at a neutral site would be fine with me, they shouldn’t get their cake and eat it too. “But We’re Texas!!” “meh… Fuck Texas”

by RdrPwr on Nov 22, 2011 3:58 PM CST up reply actions  

For some reason I love this

“He’s so white…..he looks like Opie’s brother.” Moves like Welker

Welker

"I’ve established a reputation for integrity. I have maintained those high standards" - Craig James

by TechFirst on Nov 22, 2011 11:31 AM CST reply actions  

Tubby's Comment on the Baylor Game

“Both teams know exactly what we’re getting into,” Texas Tech coach Tommy Tuberville said. “This is not a three-yards-and-a-cloud-of-dust conference. This is one where, hey, grab ahold and hold on.”

He sees the light, but wants darkness.

by DWave on Nov 22, 2011 12:03 PM CST reply actions  

I saw that.

And really, I guess he’s talking about some other sport.

by Raider289 on Nov 22, 2011 1:40 PM CST up reply actions  

three yards and a cloud of dust...

could he be talking about people sliding into home plate?

by battledome on Nov 22, 2011 1:54 PM CST up reply actions  

Rodeo

Those bulls can move around the ring.

by Raider289 on Nov 22, 2011 1:56 PM CST up reply actions  

Could be folks leaving the stadium?

"You've got to find your inner pirate" - Mike Leach

by Raider1992 on Nov 22, 2011 2:03 PM CST up reply actions  

Feldman...

To those wondering about the Over/Under of 102 on Texas Tech-Baylor game, it was in today’s USA Today.

This is a 3 ring circus up in here......

by oldschoolraider on Nov 22, 2011 12:22 PM CST reply actions  

so the bookies are counting on us getting a safety?

"When you are right no one remembers, when you are wrong no one forgets."

by snc915 on Nov 22, 2011 2:55 PM CST up reply actions  

the way our offense is playing (dare I say down right "Offensive.")

I’d take the under. Anyone honestly think this is a 56 – 49 game? If we get up big, we’ll run the ball and if Baylor gets up big, we’ll quit so even if they score 60, we don’t score 42.

Give 'Em Hell Tech!!!!!

by Plano Jeff on Nov 22, 2011 3:02 PM CST up reply actions  

We’ll be scoring in 3 point increments only. I say one field goal every quarter so that leaves us at 12 points to their 90. That sounds about right for now.

"You've got to find your inner pirate" - Mike Leach

by Raider1992 on Nov 22, 2011 3:09 PM CST up reply actions  

"ESPN presented a plan," Beal said. "We reviewed it and decided against it."

in other words Tech said…..“come at me bro”

Texas Tech Defense..."60% of the time it works every time."

by I bleed Red and Black on Nov 22, 2011 4:05 PM CST reply actions  

When did we learn that Kung Fu stuff

"I’ve established a reputation for integrity. I have maintained those high standards" - Craig James

by TechFirst on Nov 22, 2011 4:08 PM CST up reply actions  

Black and white cat

looks like it’s about to pull a gun or a switchblade with it’s right front paw-arm-whatever.

by Red and Black 71 on Nov 22, 2011 7:41 PM CST up reply actions  

He's packing concealed

"I’ve established a reputation for integrity. I have maintained those high standards" - Craig James

by TechFirst on Nov 22, 2011 10:21 PM CST up reply actions  

Ouch...

This is a 3 ring circus up in here......

by oldschoolraider on Nov 22, 2011 5:08 PM CST reply actions  

Are you really a T-shirts salesman ?

Ouch is right !!

Living large in Texas...Texas forever.

by TallMike on Nov 22, 2011 5:09 PM CST up reply actions  

Going after so many JUCOs makes me think the heat is on Tubberville

to get things fixed or else. He could be looking for immediate impact players to somehow salvage his job. He knows he will not survive a 5-7 or 6-6 season next year. He and the staff are in panic mode. Which is as it should be after 2 consecutive defenses ranked > 114th. He was hired to improve the defense.

by MrT75 on Nov 22, 2011 5:34 PM CST reply actions  

He needs a fire lit under his ass. His laid back approach isn’t working.

"You've got to find your inner pirate" - Mike Leach

by Raider1992 on Nov 22, 2011 6:17 PM CST up reply actions  

He needs an enema to clean out all the bullshit…

by Raiderit on Nov 22, 2011 8:37 PM CST via mobile up reply actions  

The white helmets are just for practice

"I’ve established a reputation for integrity. I have maintained those high standards" - Craig James

by TechFirst on Nov 22, 2011 10:22 PM CST up reply actions  

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