Texas Tech Football | An Offseason Road Map
by Seth C on Nov 29, 2011 10:01 AM CST
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PrintI think it was after the Oklahoma St. debacle that I was going to try to work out some sort of methodology in reviewing the work that Texas Tech football head coach Tommy Tuberville in year two of his tenure at Texas Tech. Here are the five things that I'm considering for review, but I think as I continue in this process, I'll add more (I'd also be completely open to anyone suggesting or adding to the list in the comments).
1. On Field Coaching: This should be somewhat self-explanatory, but will be limited to the actual coaching decisions during a game.
2. Roster Management: Which includes, but is not limited to, redshirting and whether or not players fit a particular position.
3. Hiring of Assistant Coaches and Coordinators: This may play out into the offseason as well, especially if there are assistant coaches and/or coordinators that are hired or fired, but would not expect a move until after signing day.
4. Recruiting: What players remain committed and what is a realistic expectation of the incoming 2012 recruiting class.
5. Overall: This will be a culmination of the four items listed above.
The offseason is going to be a long one and we're going to have National Signing Day, February 1, 2012, so I'm thinking that the recruiting portion will happen after NSD. I'll definitely start this series, but it would seem silly to critique the recruiting portion of this analysis prior to Tuberville's third NSD (I never know whether or not to consider the 2010 class Tuberville's or Leach's, but it's probably fair to say that they both had a hand in the 2010 class).
Also mixed in, I think we'll also do a positional review for the team and I also want to try to tackle the "why's" as I think I've somewhat failed in that respect over the past few weeks. I'll take my own stab at what I think went wrong and right with the offense and defense. I've got my own thoughts as to why the offense and defense failed (the offense didn't fail all year, but it was progressively worse) during the year and what it will take to fix that problem. And if I write (I will) about how I think there's a lack of talent in one position or another, I hope you keep in mind that I'll be devoting at least five topics (see above) as to the coaching.
Some of those problems I think are capable of being fixed, but there's a handful or problems that I'm not sure or could be solved depending on whether or not certain players are signed or which players step up after a redshirt. Those are really unknowns and consider that DE Leon Mackey and WR Marcus Kennard were both 4-star JUCO recruits and in terms of their impact (regardless of injury) it was relatively low. This speaks to one of my points, but I think the way that I want to do this throughout the offseason is that there are certain tenants that I think we've learned, something like geometry theorems (oh heck yes, I just threw out the concept of theorems!). So for example purposes, the theorem would be that no matter how highly rated a player is, do not expect that said player will make an immediate and significant impact. If it happens, then that's great, but counting on or thinking that said player will immediately step in and be a 4 out of 5 in terms of production on the field is most likely unrealistic. I do think that Tuberville did recruit some talented players in his first true recruiting class (2011) that those players most likely aren't going to make the impact that you think they will. I know that this goes against the super-secret College Football Blogger Code (this isn't just a blogger code, but also the super-secret code of subscription websites), which is to make sure that your fans have unrealistic and high expectations of incoming players to drive readership and hits, but the general rule is that it takes time for players to develop, unless the player is truly transcendent (like Michael Crabtree, who was great in his first game as a player for Texas Tech, but still had a year to develop as a redshirt).
So there's your road map for the offseason. We'll have plenty of time to fill the gaps with the basketball teams and baseball to go with National Signing Day. Again, I'd love additional thoughts in the comments as to how to proceed forward.
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His grade???
This comes to mind:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UKMuVFz3MOQ&feature=youtube_gdata_player
This is a 3 ring circus up in here......
by oldschoolraider on Nov 29, 2011 10:07 AM CST reply actions
My feelings exactly
"Oh, yeah. We don't even talk about Bowls much. We're so far away from being a team right now that can have a chance to compete in a Bowl." HC Tommy Tuberville.
This makes me wanna drink
and yell toga.
This is how I deal with Texas Tech football.
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Off to a good start Seth ...
How about considering adding Game Prep? It seems to me that we could really have some good discussion around this topic. We could look at the emotional, strategic, and tactical sides.
Also, would love to discuss the strength and conditioning aspect. I have been doing a little research on the correlation between ligament and tendon damage and strength training and have found some interesting stuff that might be worthy of a good discussion.
by Arizona Raider on Nov 29, 2011 10:25 AM CST reply actions
Re. Game Prep: I think this would be tough because I really don’t know the emotional or strategic pre-game thoughts.
Re. Strength and Conditioning: This is good, and maybe you and I can collaborate on something. If you feel like you need the help formatting (I’m awesome at elementary HTML) or we could make sure and get your FanPost on the front page, I think that would be awesome. Feel free to email me (doubletnation AT gmail DOT com) when you get something ready and we’ll fit it in for sure.
Go Raiders . . .
Double-T Nation
game prep would be interesting as
it seems that routes were underdefined, there was a lot of inexperience in catching, blocking, tackleing. perhaps someone in the Hub could get a glimpse.
i'm back bitches.....................deal with it.
Well, I think that comes under “on field coaching”. I can (as can everyone else) see that there were problems with the product on the field, so how would you want me to differentiate between what you’re suggesting and on the field coaching? I can see what happens on the field, but I have no clue (I can only guess) as to what happens in the six days in between.
Go Raiders . . .
Double-T Nation
I thought maybe we would be able to evaluate the game day prep by how they played on the field. The old “you will play like you practice” saying. The on field coaching would apply to how well the staff adjusted their calls and made decisions throughout the day. If it’s one and the same that’s fine.
by Arizona Raider on Nov 29, 2011 10:48 AM CST up reply actions
I guess I just don’t know how to differentiate between the two. I wish I knew more, especially practice, in-game adjustments and things like that, but as awesome as I am, no one is letting me on the sidelines. It seems that speculating as to practice and things like that would be awfully tough and my thought is that what happened during the game is reflective of what happened in practice.
Go Raiders . . .
Double-T Nation
Well Seth you have said this before
I do not think the Coaches are telling the players to leave their feet when they tackle or telling players to take poor angles or cover the wrong gap. I do not know the steps the coaches are taking to make corrections, but I do think they are trying to correct them.
That doesn't cut it the business world
and it doesn’t cut it in this level of football. It is results driven and all anyone can do is trust their eyes.
This is a 3 ring circus up in here......
by oldschoolraider on Nov 29, 2011 3:36 PM CST up reply actions
game prep vs on the field adjustments
I think you could put the first half under game prep, and the 2nd more of the on the field adjustments. I know Leach did a lot of half time adjustments, and I’m fairly certain Tubs and staff do the same.
You could definitely put the first quarter as more of prep, whereas the adjustments don’t come into play yet.
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I agree with putting the S&C issue out there...
Obviously there is the injury prevention factor, but I also question the overall level of strength and conditioning. Some of these kids just didn’t seem to be physically well-prepared to play D-1 football.
"When you are right no one remembers, when you are wrong no one forgets."
I agree
I just don’t get why he would let Willey go. He is one of the best in the country for S&C. Look at all the records players broke under him at Tech, also I never remember us behing hit with the injury bug when he was here.
Yes some injury’s would have happened regardless of this IE: Stephens, Washington, but I think most of the minor stuff could have been prevented.
I wonder too how much is what we know. I know that there are seemingly more injuries this year than in prior years, but under Leach, there were no injuries. None. There was never a player injured at Texas Tech and although I thought that it was a frustrating policy at times, I was fine with it. So to go from no injuries to discussing the injuries on a weekly basis, I don’t recall exactly there being the volume of injuries this year versus previous years.
Go Raiders . . .
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I think Leach did not talk about it;
Leach felt that not disclosing injuries gave him a competitive advantage. I know we had injuries in the past, but they found a way to get on the field most of the time. It was either the sand pit, or play, most chose to play.
Football is a contact sport and injuries happen. However, proper blocking and tackling technique, and proper strength and conditioning prevent injuries. I was watching the Baylor game and our DB got injuried because he took a terrible angle to the ball and put himself in a bad postion. Is that coaching or a player who does not listen.
I don’t know, but Tommy has said he does not coach players and he expects to recruit players who already know those skills. Well, we might not have any players left next year.
"Oh, yeah. We don't even talk about Bowls much. We're so far away from being a team right now that can have a chance to compete in a Bowl." HC Tommy Tuberville.
It was rare that Leach ever talked about injuries. I don’t know why Leach didn’t talk about them, I don’t know if its a competitive advantage or not. I don’t know what other programs do, but I think it’s common for coaches to discuss injuries more than not so I don’t know that there is much evidence that its a competitive advantage. I think that you could find success stories for both methods.
And I don’t think that Leach punished injured players or put injured players to an ultimatum that by giving them the choice of the sand pit or play. That doesn’t seem like anything that I recall Leach doing.
I don’t know how taking a bad angle on a play makes it as the reason he was injured, otherwise there would be no healthy linebackers on the team (i.e., they’ve taken bad angles for the entire season, except for Dees).
Go Raiders . . .
Double-T Nation
Leach explained that Labor laws made it illegal for him to disclose injuries
He even cited the law in an interview. Something about the institution opening itself to lawsuits if personal information about the health of students he was responsible for was given to the press. I’m trying to find the interview, but it was pre-James Case & searching on Mike Leach & Injury pulls up thousands of links about the Adam James scandal.
2011 Season - No excuses. Just win!
yep, he considered it like grades....
….could only be released with consent of the ahem student athlete.
i'm back bitches.....................deal with it.
I'm not saying the law drove his decision
I suspect a clever legal mind would look for a justification once he decides not disclosing might give his team a competitive advantage. He was pretty tight with pre-game information in general. Yesterday on his radio show he explained his reasoning. If he was doing a pre-game interview to the TV people wanting to know what to look for during the game, he would give an announcer he trusted much more detail than he would if 2 producers he didn’t know & a sideline reporter & cameraman showed up for the meeting. Knowledge is power & he didn’t wan’t his opponents knowing much before the game started.
2011 Season - No excuses. Just win!
I think it was HIPPA and not labor laws.
Go Raiders . . .
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by Seth C on Nov 29, 2011 2:12 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Leach did not act like other coaches
If a player was injured he did not talk about it. The pro is that the other team has to prepare for that player even if he is not going to be playing. We did this with Crabtree when he got injured. With players like Stephens it is pretty obvious he was injured and would not be playing.
I think Leach didn't talk about injuries:
1) to foster and support an attitude that there were no excuses for why we couldn’t win a game,
2) to keep the other team/coaches guessing a little bit, and
3) to tweak the press a little bit… (and anyone else who felt like it was their right to know everything that was going on in his program)
Based on the 12 data points I have, 10 from Leach and 2 from Tuberville…
I wholeheartedly support and prefer Leach’s approach…
"Transition is hard." - TT
by Houston Raider on Nov 29, 2011 5:22 PM CST up reply actions
talking about injuries
Snyder, and now I think Mack Brown (after K state beat them) don’t talk about injuries at all. I can see where discussing it doesn’t really help you in any way, so why waste the time?
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Well conditioned and rested leg muscles
will hold a joint in place during stress. If he new S@C coach was fatiguing the players legs excessively or lifting too much during the season then an increase in injuries will be expected. The amount of knee/leg injuries the past 2 yrs has been astounding. Someone needs to independently review the program to protect the student athletes.
My brother in law is a head trainer at a University;
We talked as recenlty as Sunday afternoon. Tommy is not listening, that’s all I can say at this point.
"Oh, yeah. We don't even talk about Bowls much. We're so far away from being a team right now that can have a chance to compete in a Bowl." HC Tommy Tuberville.
In the little amount of research that I have done
it seems muscle strength grows much faster than ligament strength. The increased muscle size increases the torque to the ligament. If the ligament is not strong enough to withstand the torque, it strains, tears, or snaps.
With Tubs stressing lower body strength and reports from the players that Walker is killing them in the weight room, this one might have some legs. 60 minutes anyone?
by Arizona Raider on Nov 30, 2011 11:11 AM CST up reply actions
I might also add...
that our guys looked more physically in shape under Wiley. Our guys looked gased this season.
"You've got to find your inner pirate" - Mike Leach
Tubs told me once that playing defense is tiring. That deal we played before when the opponents offense was on the field that we were 60-90th in the country wasn’t really defense.
But this defense that we play now and as a matter of fact we are better at than two other D1 teams at doing that requires a totally different style of conditioning.
Its alot of work to get your but kicked, ML used the scoreboard for physical conditioning and it seemed to work
College Football: "Our Traditions are now for Sale"
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Hey Tubs this is the Wild West, Good guys wear white, we wear BLACK. ....................................................................................................................................
by Gus Mitchem on Nov 29, 2011 12:00 PM CST up reply actions
Agree - with other thoughts
Strength and conditioning are essential components to any evaluation of this team. It was my sense we were in excellent condition from the beginning until the end of the season, BUT woefully undersized at DL and LB, hence the getting pushed around quite a bit. I don’t think the injuries suffered are a result of a lack of strength and conditioning. I do think Tuberville’s obsession with speed may have resulted in diminished size and strength – obviously, there needs to be a balance.
I agree with this assessment
As a general rule the team didn’t necessarily looked gassed when losing, so much as physically overwhelmed. We just never had any answer for the heavy tight end and fullback sets that were putting cornerback-sized players into positions where they had to do the linebackers’ job. The number of shoulder and head injuries the secondary has sustained bears that out.
by mojavereject on Nov 29, 2011 12:32 PM CST up reply actions
Recruiting DTs
Tubs is going to have to go get some big JUCO or HS DTs. It just aint gonna work having 260lb DT trying to go through a 300lb+ OL. He may be able to skate around one but then you are leaving gaps in your line and letting RBs run up the middle for gains of 10 yards a pop. This is a must if we are going to run the 4-2-5, with only having 2 backers in the second level in the middle of the field you are going to have to plug the a&b gaps.
you just read my mind.
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by I bleed Red and Black on Nov 29, 2011 11:40 AM CST up reply actions
Didnt we already hear that story
and wasnt it solved in this last offseason when we got Wesley
College Football: "Our Traditions are now for Sale"
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Hey Tubs this is the Wild West, Good guys wear white, we wear BLACK. ....................................................................................................................................
by Gus Mitchem on Nov 29, 2011 12:01 PM CST up reply actions
It's going to take more than one guy. You actually need about 5 of them to rotate in.
Look at LSU, and other big def lines, they have bodies to rotate in.
Wesley is the only DT that is over 300lbs,
everyone else who played was like 260-270, and were getting blown off 5 yards every play. I really wish we could have seen Graves stick around this year, and I don’t know how he didn’t get any PT, he had a decent year as a back up last year.
Then I wonder why we didn't need Graves, Rumph or Wade....
Sounded like the coaching staff kind of influenced their respective departures…
"Transition is hard." - TT
by Houston Raider on Nov 29, 2011 5:29 PM CST up reply actions
It would be interesting
if some enterprising reporter contacted Graves, Rumph, Wade etc. and asked them all why they quit the team. The results might be informative and insightful into the players and Tuberville & staff.
I don't understand what happend to Graves.
Oldschool and I saw him play at CU game last year in Boulder. It was his first game to start coming off injury. He was a beast agasint a pretty dman big CU offensive line. I too would really like to know what happened.
"Oh, yeah. We don't even talk about Bowls much. We're so far away from being a team right now that can have a chance to compete in a Bowl." HC Tommy Tuberville.
These guys were huge losses
And that’s on Tubberville. He either ran them off or failed to motivate them. Ford was a huge loss as well. Ruff would have never fielded such a “young” defense
Even if Graves, Rumph and Wade and Fehenko weren't superstars
they would have added a whole lot of depth. I think that is what hurt this team more than experience and tallent was that there was no one to sub in for people.
At the end....
After the aforementioned review no matter what shape it takes, does he get a grade, a lollipop, an all expenses paid trip to Tuscaloosa, or maybe a three day seminar with the Captain on how to use the spread?
Two points about matters raised above
First, I recall a series of articles where Tubs talked about having his linemen go on weight-loss programs in the off-season so that they would be faster and more agile, and later bragging on how much weight they had lost. Honestly, I don’t recall if that was limited to offensive linemen or included the defense as well.
About replacing Wiley, I remember Tubs talking about needing a different kind of training than Wiley was giving – something aimed at speed vs raw power. That was his public excuse, anyway. After seeing what UT’s young players did to us with Wiley’s training, I’d say he might want to rethink that philosophy.
"I’ve established a reputation for integrity. I have maintained those high standards" - Craig James
Tubs talks out of his stinkhole most of the time.
I enjoy reading his post-game remarks simply because I like to be amazed at the content and excuses he comes up with. When Tubs let Wiley go, here’s what I heard: “We let Wiley go…blah blah blah blah blah.” Replace the “blah” with inane drivel without thought or meaning behind it, and you have Tubs’ statement.
"They challenged us. They said, 'Here, try to run past us, try to run inside us.' And they were better at preventing that than we were throwing and catching it." --Mike Leach
Yes, it was just for the offensive linemen re. losing weight. I think that Wiley was let go because he spoke out against Adam James. If I recall, I think it was Riley, Holgorsen and Wylie that had statements against James and I would guess that Tuberville was given an ultimatum to let him go. There was that strange period of time when Wylie was kept on staff in a probationary situation as Tuberville was hired. I don’t know if it was Tuberville that did that (although it would seem really odd for him to be hired and then put someone on probation), but my guess is that the athletic department did that and I’d also guess that Wylie didn’t need that in his life.
Go Raiders . . .
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No doubt you are correct about Wylie's departure
"When you are right no one remembers, when you are wrong no one forgets."
I know Chris Perry specifically shed between 20 and 30 pounds
he had been playing in the 300-310 range previously, but this year was listed at around 280. He played fairly well early on, but failed to make an impact in conference play (which, to be fair, he never did when he was heavier either). Guys like Dartwan Bush and Kerry Hyder, I don’t know that they have that much weight to lose, within their position.
by mojavereject on Nov 29, 2011 12:44 PM CST up reply actions
bush and hyder are like 260
way too light to be DT. Hyder got pushed around most games. Not dogging the guy but he just wasn’t making an impact.
Bush is a guy who isn't going to make much of an impact outside of his specialty area of being a pass-rush DE
But Hyder’s probably the most competent DT available to the team right now, it’s just he doesn’t have the size you need to fight off the double teams you’re going to see as the most competent DT on the field. The best case scenario next year, I hope, is to see Simmons turn into a bell-cow nose tackle type of guy in the middle who will force that double team in the A gap and give his partner inside more room to work, not to mention keep the linebackers clean. Colby Whitlock’s performance at NT was apparently masking a whole lot of issues with the rest of the defensive interior’s performance, so getting a guy in there who can play with his kind of intensity and strength ought to be the first step toward keeping this ship from sinking.
by mojavereject on Nov 29, 2011 1:16 PM CST up reply actions
Exactly...like all sports...defense has to be strong up the middle.
"When you are right no one remembers, when you are wrong no one forgets."
Too bad his name wasn't Shipley
Then he’d have 5 or 6 more years of eligibility.
"I’ve established a reputation for integrity. I have maintained those high standards" - Craig James
Tuberville has said our D-line is small
I do not understand why a S&C coach cannot add weight to a DT.
because remember Tommy said our guys need to lose weight
Talk about confusing.
"Oh, yeah. We don't even talk about Bowls much. We're so far away from being a team right now that can have a chance to compete in a Bowl." HC Tommy Tuberville.
D-linemen...
….can lost weight as long as they have great upper and lower body strength. Dwight Freeney of the Colts is a great d-lineman, and undersized (only about 255). But he’s fast and has great upper body strength. He can bull rush a 330-pound tackle using his upper body.
So I think Tubby has it only about half right. He wanted the d-line faster by losing some of the weight. But without adding upper body strength, it just makes it worse.
The pessimist complains about the wind. The optimist expects it to change. The leader adjusts the sails.
He can bull rush a 330 guy when the guy is going backwards to pass protect,
Freeney is not so good when that 330 guy hits him head up on an off tackle play.
You missed my point
Undersized d-linemen can still be effective, but only if they off-set that lack in size with speed, agility, and upper body strength.
The pessimist complains about the wind. The optimist expects it to change. The leader adjusts the sails.
I got the point, I understand that smaller faster guys can play, but.......
I think we would be better off sticking to the traditional mold of a DT.
Not that many Bob Lilly's out there
So you take what you can recruit, and try to make it better. That’s what Leach did better than anybody I ever saw at the college level.
And I think that’s what Tubby was trying to do….but again only halfway. That’s his mantra – let’s do things half-assed.
The pessimist complains about the wind. The optimist expects it to change. The leader adjusts the sails.
RE: On field coaching--interesting revelations
I recently had the chance to talk with some students who are close friends with a number of Tech players, and I asked them the players’ attitudes toward Tubs and the coaching staff, and got what I thought was a surprising answer.
They said that for the most part, the older guys—Leach’s last class—have generally liked the Tubs coaching change—they apparently have liked the more structured approach to football over what they remember of Leach.[Keep in mind they have now had Tubs 2 years so our seniors now were still basically rookies under Leach and that can skew a player’s point of view.]
But what struck me was that these students said that many of the younger guys, pretty much those who’ve only played under Tubby, DON’T like him as a coach. They said the general feeling of these kids is that they really like Brown and Glasgow, but Tubby sticks his nose in and meddles too much. A game plan or a play will be set and the kids get ready to execute only to have Tubby countermand it—and several times they said his input cost them [as the fieldgoal disaster at A&M] Kids apparently at times are told one thing by the OC or DC, they execute, then told they did it wrong by Tubby [except they didn’t according to the OC/DC.]
I predict this behavior: 1) getting worse as the pressure on Tubby to win and save his job grows greater. 2) leads to several players transferring. [I doubt we’ll see Karam on the roster next year—he’s graduating, why should he stay? Who else?]
by Dr-Cane on Nov 29, 2011 12:37 PM CST reply actions 1 recs
I don’t doubt what you heard. Tuberville’s probably more of a distraction and annoyance to the assistants than I originally thought. I didn’t suspect him being involved much since he’s so unemotional when the game is blowing up around him. His time is running out so I suspect he’ll start pointing his finger at some on the coaching staff very soon.
"You've got to find your inner pirate" - Mike Leach
I would like to know which players where saying this...
Texas Tech Defense..."60% of the time it works every time."
by I bleed Red and Black on Nov 29, 2011 1:09 PM CST up reply actions
I think this is probably fall out from some of the Soph or Jr that are not getting playing time
because of the quality Frosh we have coming in. Tubs is a CEO coach, i just can’t see him being someone that meddles in game playing. And what does that mean anyways? “meddles” isn’t he the HC? that is what HC’s do right? make sure they OC/DC are doing it right? OC/DC may think they are doing it right but may not be? have we ever consider that? Experience vs inexperience…..I almost always go with inexperience, specially with coaching.
I just don’t think this hold any water. If you can prove those claims that I would be happy to eat crow.
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by I bleed Red and Black on Nov 29, 2011 1:23 PM CST up reply actions
Apparentlky this is not an isolated feeling—a significant number of players have these feelings—I’d earlier heard rumors of this but never had them validated. RE: :“Tubs is a CEO coach” that is his rep but—remember that he adopted an offense he does not know well and does not respect, and, though he is supposedly a defensive coach, he was forced to scrap his 4-3 and adopt a 4-2-5 which again, is not his expertise. His OC and DC are the experts in these plans, he is the “inexperienced one.” When he meddles he isn’t necessarily doing so with expertise. Also—your not seeing him “being someone that meddles in gameplaying”, I refer you to the Auburn boards over the last 2 years—he apparently was notorious for doing that there—some AU fans feel that was the primary reason he was let go.
But that is what a HC does....gameplan. So they all "meddle"
and just don’t buy it. It is what it is….Rumors. I can’t take it as fact, only speculation. From what I can see I think this is just a team that needs leaders on and off the field. A very young team that will come into its own. I think we as fans tend to always want to point a finger when something goes wrong. I know I have done that. I just think we are really digging here.
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by I bleed Red and Black on Nov 29, 2011 2:14 PM CST up reply actions
I'm still not buy this "young team" thing
over 20 seniors this year and a good number of juniors. it’s tub’s option as to who gets on the field, but young is not an excuse………..besides, his playmate nancy is like 26
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young
we can only sign 25 guys a year, so unless we’re running a 50 man roster (we’re not) we aren’t that young.
Maybe tubbs just thinks anybody younger than him is ‘young’, which would be the entire team for the rest of time.
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Leach's Book
In ‘Swing Your Sword’, Leach talks about one of the things he learned coming through the ranks – Hire coordinators you trust and then get out of the way. Avoid the temptation to meddle.
"I’ve established a reputation for integrity. I have maintained those high standards" - Craig James
I can see this
And it explains what I had heard about the players liking Tubs, too. The structure part completes the picture for me. At least this was the case earlier in the season.
Maybe structure only gets you so far if you step in and do the wrong thing at the wrong time? I could say more but that’s for another day.
I agree 100%
It would be a good interview if someone would interview Brown and Glasgow about the OU game. See if he meddled much in that game. My initial thought is no.
Brown is on record
Deferring to the expertise of the head coach at least once, from what I remember. I don’t think you would find another discussion of it much different.
I once again point to leadership...
Tub’s undermines his coordinators, his players and at some point when will WE realize that this guy DOES NOT admit when he is wrong! He HAS to BLAME others, and the bottom line is the bottom line(1-7 in Big XXII home games).
I see the meddling VS a HC involved in coaching his team
Hires a spread OC and then forces the “run more” philosophy into the spread. TT doesn’t know, understand, or respect the spread. If he needed a spread offense due to the existing Leach players he inherited then let Brown run the spread and not some bastardized spread-power game. He meddled with Franklin’s spread at Auburn and it ruined the offense – he fired Franklin – and then got fired himself.
Hires a 4-2-5 DC and at the introductory presser says we are going to run a 3-4. That quietly went away and a 4-2-5 is here, but it seems like TT does meddle in many ways here too.
The play selection sure looks like Tuberville is overruling his OC
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He meddled with Tony Franklin at Auburn
and caused a stinker of a season.
I’m not saying the game has passed him by, but he needs to step back and let his coaches coach.
" Answers --Become Resources."
Without Questions, There are limited Resources...
You had me at step back
"Oh, yeah. We don't even talk about Bowls much. We're so far away from being a team right now that can have a chance to compete in a Bowl." HC Tommy Tuberville.
I can see it.
That is sort of the way I thought it was going. The offense was too up and down all year. And running that stupid screen all the time….jebus, my high school corner could see that (too bad he played for the aggies).
I live about 80 miles from Auburn
When we hired Tubs, I asked several boosters I know what to expect. They said to expect him to interfere with OC/DC play calling during games.
I felt that this happened too often this year.
Many of my fellow DTN’ers have complained that Tubs is a CEO coach. I would beg to differ. A good CEO lets the people he hires work and gets out of their way. He or she doesn’t change the plan in the middle of the battle. Tubs needs to be more of a CEO and less of a micromanager.
Also, a comment he made last year after the debut of the all-white uni’s really stuck with me. To paraphrase: We are trying to win ballgames and people are still upset with the uniform. To me this sentiment showed me that he does note understand his environment. If we are still taling about uni’s, then it must be important…TO US, YOUR CONSUMERS! This is another CEO mistake.: not understanding your customer. Our previous CEO understood this. Perhaps that is why Trump likes him so much.
IMO, Tubs should take this free time he earned (lack of a bowl) and step back. He should get to know West Texas. Get to understand the phyiscal, cultural, and emotional environment. Then he should step back and let his coaches coach. Walk around the practice field and observe. Add his two cents during practices, but when you open for business, let your people work! Tell your people what you want don’t, give them tools they need, and then let them do it. It is not that hard.
If Tubs doesn’t start understanding this, Texas Tech will go the way of Coca Cola when they introduced New Coke, if it hasn’t already. Unlike Coca Cola, we may not recover from this experiment as qucikly.
by Red Raider in South GA on Nov 29, 2011 2:09 PM CST up reply actions
tubs' understanding of West Texas is whatever kant hance says it is.
he thinks dressing up like a drugstore cowboy and saying “guns up” is all that is required. After all, the rubber chicken dinners he goes to are attended by the same group.
i'm back bitches.....................deal with it.
Tub's understanding of West Texas goes beyond that....
He understands that it is windy (10-12 mph is really windy to Tubs), and that dirt blows. I highly doubt he bothers to take any time to understand it further than that.
"They challenged us. They said, 'Here, try to run past us, try to run inside us.' And they were better at preventing that than we were throwing and catching it." --Mike Leach
Why should that surprise him - He thinks the world is flat too
He is very retro in his thinking. On offenses & scientific breakthroughs.
2011 Season - No excuses. Just win!
During his ten years at Auburn
Tuberville hired 11 coordinators, six on offense and five on defense. That was the most in FBS during that ten-year period. Some of those were because of promotions (i.e. Bobby Petrino moving on to be head coach at Louisville), and some might have been for bigger paychecks (i.e. Wil Muschamp’s move to Texas). However, he averaged JUST over one coordinator per year, and that isn’t all explained by money and promotions.
by RedRaiderForLife95 on Nov 29, 2011 8:05 PM CST up reply actions
Pretty confidential.....
but below is a link to Tub’s secret weapon for getting in football shape next year….
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xXHUdvvHTkw
This is a 3 ring circus up in here......
by oldschoolraider on Nov 29, 2011 1:01 PM CST reply actions
Great
That’s all we need – players with boobs.
"I’ve established a reputation for integrity. I have maintained those high standards" - Craig James
Dog piling could be a problem
"I’ve established a reputation for integrity. I have maintained those high standards" - Craig James
Mid-Game Adjustments
I guess that comes under “on-field coaching” but it is a major part of coaching success.
Reporting Injuries
In the ACC, all player injuries are reported on Monday. A player is listed as “out” or “able to practice” and the name, status, and severity of the injury reported. This disclosure is well accepted since it has been in place for a while. Yes, other coaches get information that helps them devise a game-plan, but it works both ways. And it keeps the media from guessing/speculating all week. By Thursday, it is pretty well known what the lineup will be.
The injury reports are primarily for the odds-makers.Gotta keep the vegas boys happy.
Simple rule of thumb: Everything before the but is BS.
by FriscoRaider on Nov 29, 2011 2:00 PM CST up reply actions
Just thinking here...(And this is just for fun)
but how crazy would DTN get if Tubs blew it out of the water next year? Where would all the Debbie downers, negative Nacy’s go then? Crow would be served with beer I’m sure.
:) pandora………..meet box.
Texas Tech Defense..."60% of the time it works every time."
by I bleed Red and Black on Nov 29, 2011 2:16 PM CST reply actions
It will happen just that way.
And that’s all we’ll read about. (Regardless of reality.)
We had a week of that this year
The week we beat Oklahoma the I-Told-You_So’s showed up and started ripping everybody who just wanted to enjoy a big win. Now that’s a real downer. They can’t stand a little success.
2011 Season - No excuses. Just win!
keeping with Animal House theme and Movie Tuesday
“Well what the hell we supposed to do…” People on average expected 8 wins this season. What are the expectations for next year?
"Oh,we played about like three tons of buzzard puke this afternoon." Spike Dykes
Won't happen
The probability of this coach winning next year is pure fantasy. I don’t think it’s so much Debbie Downers as it is reality at this point. Loads of us supported this guy up until mid season but saw the regression of this team week by week. Losing at home isn’t an option and barely beating teams like Texas State paint a pretty good picture of what kind of coach you have. I say 5-6 next season from the body of work we’ve witnessed so far. Sure I’d love to be wrong and wouldn’t be the first time but I fairly convinced.
"You've got to find your inner pirate" - Mike Leach
It will be a turnaround year.
You see, the headlines have already been written, because it’s already been decided -If not we would be talking about our next new coach already.
I think the authority on this is very vertical.
I like the Pravda analogy that has been surfacing recently.
Ha!
I should have known those Russians would have the scoop!
"You've got to find your inner pirate" - Mike Leach
There is nothing I would like more
Than for Tuberville to be the best coach Tech has ever had. I would be happy if Tuberville turned things around next year and went to a BCS bowl. I would even forgive the not going to a bowl game this year.
Curious
People say tubs will have one more year to turn this team around or he gets canned.
What would our record have to be for him to get fired? Obviously if we lose all our conference games or have a 5 win season again. But what if we have 6 or 7 win season, is this enough to fire him?
Good question
I think 7 puts him on the fence but with 6 he’s out.
"You've got to find your inner pirate" - Mike Leach
Unfortunately
I think if we are 5-7 and keep it close, he might get 2013.
Ticket sales are the only thing that might prevent that. lose 10-15% of season ticket sales this year, and it hurts the athletic department enough to notice that this isn’t good enough for us.
i like lose women
attendance will be the key
if they sell enough tickets, the seat will not be quite as hot.
i like lose women
7 Wins he stays
6or less he blows & goes
"They whipped us like a tied up goat."
Spike Dykes
by BigGun in 71 on Nov 29, 2011 3:16 PM CST up reply actions
I pick economics over wins
What is almost certain is that at the start of next season attendance will be down noticeably. General non-student attendance should drop off markedly, as should Tech upper-classmen attendance. If by the third home game the team is winning and appears solid and entertaining, the fans will start to come back to Jones—but if we have losses, games like the Nevada win, or (God help us) convincing defeats, the fans will stay away and I feel Tubs could be gone by game 5.
If Tubs goes 6-6 or 7-5, and the stands stay half-full, and the atmosphere in Lubbock stays pessimistic, he will be gone. Tech isn’t A&M or Nebraska who can get 80,000 even when the team is playing poorly. To make money Tech needs excitement on the field with a winning team and dynamic coach—that is what will sell tickets. It’s Big12 football.
I just don’t think he understands this, and that will be his undoing. In the end it will be economics that forces Hocutt to act, not personal feelings or win-loss.
Which is why I have
a consumer’s mentality. With the track record of most of BOR and chancellor…..this is your only leverage.
This is a 3 ring circus up in here......
by oldschoolraider on Nov 29, 2011 3:40 PM CST up reply actions
this is the smartest thing I've read on here today
it’s all about the money, but keep in mind we have UT, OU and WVU as home games next year which could skew the numbers comparatively speaking.
dont' forget the
extra seats that were built on the back of Mike’s success…..and then turned around and used to diss him by saying that the crowds were bigger under Ctt than Mike. It was not lost on me.
This is a 3 ring circus up in here......
by oldschoolraider on Nov 29, 2011 3:47 PM CST up reply actions
I know I spent about $350 bucks on the Baylor game
and I didn’t have to spend any money on travel, I live 10 min from the stadium.
I did not get anywhere close to $350 worth of entertainment out of the game.
No way in hell I drive to Lubbock next year and drop a grand for this type of football.
Those seats will be given away free with every McDonald's Happy Meal sold next year.
2011 Season - No excuses. Just win!
Money does talk...reports from KU indicate
that backlash from season ticket holders and big donors got the hammer dropped on Turner Gill.
"When you are right no one remembers, when you are wrong no one forgets."
Not that this worth more than a wooden nickel
but David Ubben thinks Tech can win 10-11 games next year. I do to…but we won’t.
11/12/11...66-6...I once was blind, but now I see.
Here is where you get one, I actually know the owner.
"Oh, yeah. We don't even talk about Bowls much. We're so far away from being a team right now that can have a chance to compete in a Bowl." HC Tommy Tuberville.
Ubben also picked A&M to win 10-11 games this year
Did that happen?
The pessimist complains about the wind. The optimist expects it to change. The leader adjusts the sails.
Seth, Here's a suggestion
Measuring the “basics”. Maybe call it “basic skills coaching”. The measurements would be:
1. Missed blocks resulting in TFL and/or sacks.
2. Missed tackles
3. Dropped passes
4. Linebackers being in the wrong gap or “lined up wrong”
4. And any other “measurable” basics we can think of
I think the basic stuff like this continued to plague us all year, and is not completely correctable, but the mistakes can be minimized by basic coaching
The pessimist complains about the wind. The optimist expects it to change. The leader adjusts the sails.
"but the mistakes can be minimized by basic coaching"
then let’s go find a basic coach.
i'm back bitches.....................deal with it.
Or a good on-field coach
Or a good roster manager
Or a good strength and conditioning coach
and, and, and
The pessimist complains about the wind. The optimist expects it to change. The leader adjusts the sails.
I don’t see how they are still lining up wrong the last week of the season. Weeks 1-3 yeah I get it, but the last week you should know your job. That is coaching, and I also don’t think the 4-2-5 is that great of defense, it leaves you too open up the middle.
I agree that lining up incorrectly or hitting the wrong gap was NOT the problem after the OU game. We missed tackles and we’re physically outmatched up front. I’m not sure what happened to the offense, because I honestly didn’t see a huge drop off from Stephens to Crawford – not enough for a total implosion after such great success.
The point is
All great football teams are great at the basics. They block well; they tackle well, they manage the game well.
Can we at least start measuring “how are we doing?”
And all great foorball coaches place a premium on the basics. I don;t see that happening yet with this coaching staff.
The pessimist complains about the wind. The optimist expects it to change. The leader adjusts the sails.
curious why you put the word "yet" in your last post.
i'm back bitches.....................deal with it.
You are a prophet of the obvious....
And an eloquent one at that
The pessimist complains about the wind. The optimist expects it to change. The leader adjusts the sails.
It's the optimist in me
I want to believe that these coaches will do a better job. After all, I really can’t control that.
The pessimist complains about the wind. The optimist expects it to change. The leader adjusts the sails.
Weak on fundamentals
the entire staff appears fundamentally weak on coaching the basic techniques
"They whipped us like a tied up goat."
Spike Dykes
by BigGun in 71 on Nov 29, 2011 3:19 PM CST up reply actions
Another Leach quote - paraphrase actually
“You win games with execution, not with schemes. A great scheme means nothing if you don’t execute”.
(just finished Double T-Double Cross and am in the middle of Swing Your Sword)
"I’ve established a reputation for integrity. I have maintained those high standards" - Craig James
I finished it...
The appendix with all of the emails was infuriating. Seth did a post years ago about “Blink”…has to do with repitition and execution…big time principals with Mike.
This is a 3 ring circus up in here......
by oldschoolraider on Nov 29, 2011 5:20 PM CST up reply actions
If somebody accidentally hits Tuberville & blows out his knee before the 1st game next year
Maybe he will have to coach from the press box like coach Pa did at Penn State a few years ago. Then you just need to give him a headset with a virtual conversation going on in his ears (get actors to play Brown & Glasgow) while the coordinators do the actual coaching. I’m sure he will gladly take credit when the team wins in spite of his meddling.
2011 Season - No excuses. Just win!
Now there's an idea
Let’s hire a “hitman” to do this in practice the week before the opener with DTN bucks….
The pessimist complains about the wind. The optimist expects it to change. The leader adjusts the sails.
Am I the only one
Who thinks Doege’s job should be open as well?
I really dont think after the last 5 games he is the best QB on the roster.
#FireNealBrown
Yeah, playing Big12 teams is a bit more difficult than the OOC schedule.
We should look at his conference stats.
That is not saying he isnt good
And definitely not saying Karam or even Young is a better one.
Competition breeds excellence, and I give an example of it working positively.
Graham Harrell….Chris Todd.
Obviously, Harrell was a tremendous QB, but in the early stage, you could see he needed that extra push, that one that said “Hey, look, if you cant get it done, this guy will. In a heartbeat I will replace you.”
#FireNealBrown
Everyone's job should be up for grabs
when you have our record……there is no tension on this team, they all get a participation trophy. What others say was dysfunction on Leach’s team actually was a tension that created emotional outbursts on gameday that is sorely lacking the last two years.
I noticed this at last year’s UT game, it is the most obvious thing about the Tubs era..
This is a 3 ring circus up in here......
by oldschoolraider on Nov 29, 2011 4:25 PM CST up reply actions
Agreed
I think all QB’s we have, including Brewer, should be given the same shot at his job next year.
If Brewer was the starter next year
I would NOT have a problem.
I really want to see this offense with a QB who is a threat to REALLY run it at the helm.
#FireNealBrown
If Brewer got the nod next year
I would actually change my mind and go to some games. For some reason I have a feeling this kid is special. I’ve watched the film on some of his games and he’s good. I know this is a different level but I have the gut feeling that he is one of those players Tech only gets once every 5-6 years. We should capitalize on that. To be fair though…there’s also a chance he won’t turn out to be as good as he seems to be. I’m willing to take that chance though.
I watched him some in his high school days
He was definitely good and I would be thrilled if he was successful at Tech. However, all things being equal if you compared the play of Brewer his senior year to Young in his senior year Brewer is far and away a better player. Go watch some of the tape and you’ll see what I’m talking about.
Honestly
I’ll just take your word for it and we’ll see what happens during the spring .
I just know Young was a good get for us but if he’s not the best then I’m cool with that
I think he was a pretty good baseball player too, maybe he can help on that front if football doesn’t pan out.
No Chance for Brewer, Young
“When the defense is squatting on your receivers with two deep safeties, throwing the ball is like beating your head against the wall” – Tommy ‘Really Big Deal’ Tuberville
"I’ve established a reputation for integrity. I have maintained those high standards" - Craig James
Ha.... preceded by "The problem is people not letting us throw it..."
But who knows? Maybe next year “people will let us throw it”…..
"Transition is hard." - TT
by Houston Raider on Nov 29, 2011 6:06 PM CST up reply actions
You're not alone
Doege has to earn that spot back IMO. Nothing impressive about his conference play less the OU game. I doubt Tuberville makes a change as it’s his last season and needs a senior or QB that has play time already.
"You've got to find your inner pirate" - Mike Leach
one note regarding crabtree
Crabtree was a QB for Dallas Carter…. he was a 2 star recruit at least on scout .com… point being… someone saw that he had good hands ability to make people miss for WAC and was fast and physical
…. the coach or coaches in question that recreated him had to look past his initial ranking. .im hoping the current coaching staff is looking for people that fit whatever scheme they need the player for…. rather they are ranked high or not, but can develop as athletes and are coach-able….. so I guess its not always about whats is on paper… heck…look at Texas… they are one Baylor loss away from an 7-5 season with a house full of 4-5 stars players
Mike had and identity....
and he knew the type of players to recruit (on field and off field) that would maximize his scheme.
What is our identity under Tubs????
Exactly. How can you recruit if you don’t know what you are.
This is a 3 ring circus up in here......
by oldschoolraider on Nov 29, 2011 4:27 PM CST up reply actions
philosophically I'm sympathetic to what you're saying
but I’m pretty sure Crabtree was a 4-star recruit out of high school according to at least one service
by mojavereject on Nov 29, 2011 5:40 PM CST up reply actions
Two stars...
Remember he was a hs qb converting to WR/ath
http://recruiting.scout.com/a.z?s=73&p=8&c=1&nid=1547700
This is a 3 ring circus up in here......
by oldschoolraider on Nov 29, 2011 6:05 PM CST up reply actions
http://www.texastech.com/sports/m-footbl/mtt/crabtree_michael00.html
Four-Star Recruit (Rivals.com) … No. 16 athlete nationally (Rivals.com) … No. 91 overall prospect in Texas (Rivals.com) … No. 10 overall prospect in Dallas area (Dallas Morning News)
by mojavereject on Nov 29, 2011 6:13 PM CST up reply actions
Just goes to show
the difference in ESPN, Rivals, and Scout ratings.
But the key has already been mentioned on this board. We need to have an identity, and then recruit players that will add value for that identity. That’s what Leach did when he recruited Welker and Crabtree. He knew they would “fit”.
Go listen to the last presser by Tubby (if you can stand it). He is still lamenting that we could not run the ball enough, and “had” to pass most of the game. Dammit, pick one and go do it, go recruit for it, and do it better every day and every game.
The pessimist complains about the wind. The optimist expects it to change. The leader adjusts the sails.
Here is espn...
Not sure what 40 means to them, but don’t care because it’s espn
http://espn.go.com/college-sports/football/recruiting/player/_/id/23788/michael-crabtree
This is a 3 ring circus up in here......
by oldschoolraider on Nov 29, 2011 6:42 PM CST up reply actions
o_0
but I’m pretty sure Crabtree was a 4-star recruit out of high school according to at least one service
http://dallasnews.rivals.com/viewprospect.asp?pr_key=39601&Sport=1
by mojavereject on Nov 30, 2011 8:15 AM CST up reply actions
Seth,
I guess this would fit #3. But I wonder about the eyes in the sky, the guys in
the booth. The information that the OC and DC are getting. I know there is no
way for us to know but it does make me wonder at times. I see eric ward in a
huge mismatch with a cb 5 inches shorter and he gets a few sideline passes
and thats it. Could the bad play calling in part be due to bad info from above?
"All I wanted was my icream cone and my little cream soda, oh well, oh well, oh well" White Stripes
especially if we have to rely on #82 to make his block
"All I wanted was my icream cone and my little cream soda, oh well, oh well, oh well" White Stripes
to me it is a wasted play, just call a quick slant if you want 1-4 yards.
That killed us against baylor to on the first drive of the 3rd quarter. 3rd and 2 and you run a sideline screen with 1 blocker 1 rec to the strong side vs 3dbs and lb (i think i know there were 4 defenders around the area). The play gets blown up and we punt, the rest is a huge 3rd quarter for BU.
When executed properly (and sparingly) the WR screen is an effective weapon.
There are two key words there, “executed” and “sparingly”. I believe we ran it way too often, ran it poorly and like you said, would have run a quick slant, a 7, or just more verticals.
i'm back bitches.....................deal with it.
I think another thing that hurts it is that we didn’t have a true burner on the outside making the cb play off the ball. What kills us on the wr screen is when the cb plays up and gets around the block, the inside guy is a sitting duck.
good point....
you would think they would see this on the game film.
"All I wanted was my icream cone and my little cream soda, oh well, oh well, oh well" White Stripes
1. On Field Coaching: This should be somewhat self-explanatory, but will be limited to the actual coaching decisions during a game. Check !!!
2. Roster Management: Which includes, but is not limited to, redshirting and whether or not players fit a particular position. Check !!! I am feeling remorse that I did not keep an injury log this season, it would have been fun to see the impact on team development and games.
3. Hiring Assistant Coaches and Coordinators: This may play out into the offseason as well, especially if there are assistant coaches and/or coordinators that are hired or fired, but would not expect a move until after signing day.
This one bothers me and that is a personal thing, but we probably want to talk about it anyway. Check !!!
4. Recruiting: What players remain committed and what is a realistic expectation of the incoming 2012 recruiting class. Check !!!
5. Overall: This will be a culmination of the four items listed above.
There might be a worthwhile set of thoughts in discussing the evolution of Big12 teams i.e., the growth of some programs and drop off of others, the scene was really different this season.
Living large in Texas...Texas forever.
Hey TallMike
Did you used to post on the other message board a few years ago? I think I recognize your handle.
by ttufan111 on Nov 29, 2011 7:28 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Yes, I have been posting a couple of boards for years....
Thank you for remembering
Living large in Texas...Texas forever.
Haha
I don’t know how but I remember you. We must have had some good discussions. Were you on TexAgs also?
by ttufan111 on Nov 29, 2011 9:53 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Not there, the AJ had a good board for a while, and I like scout's boards
Living large in Texas...Texas forever.
Total salaries for assistant coaches
Seth, not sure how feasible it would be but it might be worth considering how the sum of the Tech assistant coaches salries compare to other Big 12 or SEC schools.
As the great Pirate once said
“You start by rolling the fuck outta somebody.” Personally I think that somebody should be tommy t but its boy wonder decision( Kirby Hocutt) and hes got his job on the line too
My Order
1. Recruiting
2. Recruiting
3. Recruiting
4. Game Prep as Arizona Raider points out
5. Have Tubs help Glasgow learn to be a DC
perhaps a discussion of
which moving van service is most available and least expensive.
i'm back bitches.....................deal with it.
First Time Post - Long Time Reader
Still Red and Black…
I was lucky enough to become a Red Raider during the 2007 football season. I was lucky yet again to be able to say I was on the field when we upset UT during “that one season.”
Tuberville got us into a bowl game his first year here. I took that with a grain of salt.
We beat Oklahoma impressively. I took that with a grain of salt.
And we finished this season in the ugliest fashion I’ve seen-to-date. I’m going to take that with a grain of salt as well.
I live and die with my Red Raiders as I’m sure the majority of us here do. I’m as upset with the way the season ended as I’m sure the majority of us are.
I feel the most for Tuberville and the players. They’ve caught the brunt of the failures (as they should) this season.
I don’t feel for them because I know how disappointed they must be with themselves. I feel for them because they have to witness how quickly their non-familial fan-base is to jump ship at the first sign of a bad season. Mike Leach is gone, and so is this past football season.
I’ll show up next year, tickets in-hand, ready to support Tuberville and My Red Raiders. I’m part of the “Y” generation, (short attention spans, senses of entitlement) but I know it takes more than two years for a coach to develop a program.
I saw a few flashes of brilliance this past year, so I choose the half-full glass. We beat an impressive OU team, Tuberville continues to recruit well, and hopefully some of his recruiting class will see daylight next year.
Wreck ’Em
I'm Still a fan
it just kills me to see his lack of enthusiasm. I know not all coaches are rah rah type coaches, but he just stands there like he is bored, like he hasn’t bought in to our school or traditions. I also hate the Raider Walk, White Helments, and the fact that he is supposed to be a defensive genius, but wants to coach special teams.
And his constant pokes at Leach really piss me off
He doesn’t need to go there, but by doing so he aligns himself with the corrupt SOBs that are damaging our school. At that point, supporting him and the team gets a lot harder for me personally. Maybe there’s a difference between being a football fan and a Tech fan but that’s a leap I can’t quite make.
"I’ve established a reputation for integrity. I have maintained those high standards" - Craig James
+1 especially when he talks about the tallent gap.
I just want to say hey buddy I have seen worse tallent but they seemed to win more games.
Constant pokes
Pokes? I consider his pokes directed more at “Team Leachers” than Mike Leach himself. There’s still a big divide amongst our fan base.
I hate the way Mike Leach was treated and wish he could still be our coach, but he’s not. A large sect of Red Raiders won’t accept that same sentiment – that’s what (I’m guessing) Tubs gets agitated about.
As for the Raider Walk and white helmets? You hate them? I don’t understand wasting so much passion on something so trivial.
IMO the Raider Walk and white helmets were all moves made by Tubs to try to end the Mike Leach mourning.
I appreciate what you are saying. The program appears to be heading in the wrong direction. TuBS inherited a 9-4 team with almost everyone returning and rebuilt them into a 8-5 team. Now we are a 5-7 team and next year could be worse, how bad do we have to get before TuB’S genius kicks in and we start wining some games? If it takes longer that 2012 then I don’t think he will get a 2013.
Simple rule of thumb: Everything before the but is BS.
by FriscoRaider on Nov 30, 2011 8:31 PM CST up reply actions
Seth here is an idea for review.
How about a player by player rundown on each signee of the graduating class ? Just how good was that class.
Maybe follow up with a similar rundown on the current status of the soon to be Senior class.
Living large in Texas...Texas forever.
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