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I also think that it's interesting that someone asked Tuberville about JUCO defensive players after mentioning it on Saturday. My premise being that the difference in player from what I saw on Saturday night (LSU vs. Alabama) was entirely different than what I saw on Saturday morning (TTU vs. UT). I was talking to my brother-in-law yesterday and he said that he had the same sort of "ah-ha" moment when he watched both the games.

For me, I'm not trying to give the coaching staff an alibi, my comments after the game on Saturday were more or less what I was thinking and when I watched both games, it just seemed so big in terms of a talent gap. There's no doubt that the coaching is most likely having a huge impact about on the defense in general, but I keep going back to my thought about what's realistic, which is that I don't think that the coaching is really going to change for the rest of this year and next year at the very least. It's becoming readily apparent that the coaching is on a downward spiral due to the fact that there are more losses on the ledger than fans would like.  The wins and losses are the bottom line.

I still think that the talent on the field looks pitiful and it probably has something to do with the coaching and the players themselves, life usually isn't about absolutes and I don't think it is this time.

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HEAD COACH TOMMY TUBERVILLE

I don't know where to start so I'll start with the fairly mundane. Tuberville is asked about tackling:

You can work on it. You can work on technique and fundamentals. A lot of times when you play an aggressive game like that -- that's a different type of team that we've played. Our guys were trying to make the tackles, they overpursued, didn't break down, left their feet. But it is -- there's a lot to coaching tackling but there's a lot of athletic ability to it, too. The better tacklers I've been around before you didn't have to teach them anything, because usually it's about body control, and don't leave your feet. We try to teach our players don't leave your feet. Once you leave your feet, you lose all your power. The running back's still running, he's on his feet. You leave your feet, you get run over like a couple times we did on Saturday. You have to keep the power in your legs. That's where the most strength in your body is. But, again, we didn't tackle very well. We didn't wrap up at times, but there's a lot of coaching to it, but there's also a lot of natural ability to it also.

Seems like this is an important concept, this idea of tackling. Tuberville is asked (I think) about his thoughts on the defense in general this year:

I thought a lot better about this defense. We're a better defense than we were last year at this point. We're playing teams that are a lot better than were last year, the teams we're going against. There's no doubt the team we played last week is head and heels above what they were. And on down the line. But we get into the Texas State game and we're feeling good about, we've got a little more depth, we've got a little more size on the defensive line. I think we've got a little bit more experience. And Texas State runs up and down the field on us, a team that we should beat. And I knew right then that we were going to have problems. And then we played well at New Mexico after the open date. And then we played a Nevada team that quite honestly beat us everywhere but the scoreboard, other than our offense on the last, what, two or three drives, we were able to score that. So we're 5 and 4.

We're disappointed. But to some degree, if you go back and look at some of the games, we're behind 21-0 against Kansas. You know, there's a correlation there. We're not very good on defense. But we've got guys practicing hard. And you asked me about the 4-2-5. We run every defense in the world this fall. We base it out of the 4-2-5, run an eight-man front, seven-man fronts, we do everything we can to put our guys in good positions, just sometimes we're looking for that fumble or we're looking for the interception or we're looking for a break or a penalty. But it just seems like we can't get that break. But it's going to happen. As we tell our players, sooner or later it's going to happen. And you just gotta keep plugging. Can't lose your confidence.

You've got to go practice hard, that's where you get better at you don't get better in the game. Our guys have busted their tails. And I tell them: You can be disappointed but don't be discouraged. There's a huge, huge difference. They're all disappointed. I know our fans are disappointed. A lot of them are mad and all that. But, hey, no sense in getting mad. You can be disappointed but don't get discouraged. This group will get better.

Tuberville is trying to stay positive, like no one's business, but the cracks are starting to show and he's being brutally honest about how his defense isn't any good, evidenced by the fact that a FCS team whipped your rear on the ground. These are cracks because I think he's telling us exactly what he's telling Glasgow: your job is to make sure that players tackle and you need to force turnovers.

Tuberville then just starts talking about JUCO's, which I can't tell if he was asked about it or if he just started talking about it. Either way, DTN is flattered:

I made a decision when we got here that we weren't going to be a junior college team. We're going to take two or three -- not going to take 10, 15 of them, and we would have been better. But two years we would have been right back where are at. We're going to build this thing with high school kids that will be here four, five years. We're going to redshirt them. I could probably have played four or five, six other guys on defense that could have helped us. You can't do that. You have to redshirt as many as you can. We're here for the long haul. We're not in here for the short haul. We knew we were going to struggle this year. This is a tough year. The 2008/2009 recruiting class, we had less than half of them still here. So we're playing with mostly young guys. So I'm disappointed but I'm not discouraged because these kids are, they're playing hard. They're competing; and we probably won a couple of games we shouldn't have. And the games that we've lost, it's disappointing that obviously the Kansas State and the A&M game were very disappointing because at that point we were playing on a lot of confidence.

First of all, Tuberville shouldn't talk about players from previous recruiting classes and the attrition that takes place in just about every recruiting class. No matter the year, it's pretty standard to think that half of your recruiting class won't qualify, won't make the grades or won't stick with the program. A 50% attrition rate isn't abnormal after it's all said and done. I would also add that although it's a different sport, what Pat Knight tried to do with JUCO's never panned out because you just don't have the players available for that long. Still, I am discouraged by the fact that if we know that the coaching won't change (I'm assuming that all of the coaches will be back) and the talent except for some seniors will also be back, then I have serious doubts that it will be better next year.

And to Tuberville's point, the 2008 class was bad and it would have been bad even if Leach was here. There were 8 defensive players in that class, 4 of those were JUCO's (Jarrell Routt never made an impact; McKinner Dixon made an impact for a year; Broderick Marshall never made it on campus and Brandon Sesay made an impact for a year). High schoolers Joey Fowler and Ryan Haliburton never made an impact and the only defender that has done anything is Cody Davis. These player left when Leach was the coach.

The 2009 class and the fact that players aren't here anymore is due a little to Leach and a more to Tuberville. Yahshua Williams, Brandon Mahoney, Will Ford, Pearlie Graves and Myles Wade all left under Tuberville while Romario Cathey and James Scott either left under Leach or didn't qualify. Of the 15 defensive commits, that's seven players that didn't stick, which isn't shocking and you'd like to see a lower attrition rate, but if Tuberville has anyone to blame about the lack of players he's got to look in the mirror for a good part of it.  I don't know the reasons why these players left, there were rumblings that some of them were problems, but I really don't know.  I don't think that Graves and Wade were "problem" players and those two players would be making a difference right now.

More after the jump.

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More from Tuberville on the JUCO's:

When we looked at it we knew the situation we were in. We went out. We had to find some defensive linemen. And we signed, what, two junior college defensive linemen. The rest are high school guys. We'll do that. This year we're signing all high school defensive linemen. Some will probably have to play next year, the ones that we have committed. But it's a process. Again, we could probably go out again and there's some teams that I know, some in our conference that go sign 10, 15, 18 JUCO guys. And I just don't think this program can be a program that can get enough high school players to have a solid program every year. And so that's the direction we decided to go. And once we get to a level, we want to stay there. We don't want to be up and down. And that's going to take a little bit longer to get to that point. But I think that once you get those high school guys in here that's grown up in the system, they react a lot better in certain situations.

Good high school players is better for a program long term.

Finally, Tuberville is asked about James and the fact that Oklahoma St. is Senior Day.  I know that some (most) of you won't like his comments about being a team leader, but for me, I'm glad that this chapter is almost over (the chapter where James is playing).  I don't think that the James' family will receive much sympathy on Saturday and am expecting unpleasant things:

I think -- and I hope our fans are sympathetic to all of our seniors. Not just one or two groups. But I would think it's been a hard time not just for Adam but for his family over the last few years. And so as I said, I've been proud of Adam. He's grown up. He's matured. He's been one of the best leaders that we've had on this team, not just this year but also last year. So hopefully it will be a great day for, again, not just for the players but also all the families, because it's tough. When you set in the stands and watch your kids play in a tough sport like this, which is very physical and then go through the ups and downs what college players go through, it's awful tough on parents. It's awfully tough. So hopefully we'll have a great Senior Day.


QB SETH DOEGE

There's a lot to get to this week, lots of stuff. A couple of interesting things, for some reason, for the 4th or 5th straight week (I'm honestly losing track) some reporter asked QB Seth Doege about TE Adam James. Again, I want to emphasize that there has been a reporter, unidentified, that continues to ask Doege about James and Doege really doesn't have a choice, but to answer. Well, I guess he doesn't have to answer, but I don't think that Doege isn't the kind of guy that isn't going to answer a question. This is if anyone is keeping track. Also, Carona is also asked about James, so if you want to read those comments, go on over to the transcript.

This is interesting, there seems to have been yet another player-only meeting:

Q. Talk about Saturday, arguing, is there any of that?

SETH DOEGE: No, not that I know of. I felt like we had a good Sunday meeting. We addressed some things just like we always do. And then it's the matter of fact of going out and putting those issues into play and getting them right, getting them correct and understanding what it takes to win football games and what it's going to take to win these next three.

Doege is frustrated, but staying positive:

Q. Is it all the more frustrating knowing how well you guys can play, the struggles?

SETH DOEGE: That's the most frustrating part. We're the same team that beat Oklahoma. And offensively and defensively. And the thing is for some reason these last two weeks we haven't been that same team. And I don't know if we're pressing or if we're not paying attention to the little details that we did against Oklahoma that helped us win that game. It's just one of those things we need to figure out. We need to go back to that and play that way. And I feel like if we play that way we're going to be a very hard team to beat. And it's just one of those things, we need to figure it out. And I think we will. And I think we'll have a great week of practice and I think we'll put on a good showing this weekend.

And here's the question about James and was followed up with two additional questions:

Q. I know you talk a lot about it but could you talk about Adam James?

SETH DOEGE: I think he's deserved the success he's had. He works hard. He's been a big vocal leader for this team. He's really changed his ways and turned things around. He's playing well. So he's going to, it's going to be a special time for him. And I think the crowd should applaud him for everything he's been through.

Q. When you say things he's been through?

SETH DOEGE: He's just playing a lot better, you know what I mean? I think he's got more confidence in himself. He's confident in his team. His whole mentality is better as a football player, just going out there and making plays.

 

Q. Are you worried about (inaudible)?

SETH DOEGE: I don't think so. I think he's been through a lot. I don't think much could faze him at this point.


K DONNIE CARONA

I'm as surprised as anyone, but I couldn't be happier that Carona is experiencing success this year. Carona has made 75% of his field goals this year (12 of 16) and had it not been for Carona the past few weeks, the scoreboard would look even worse. Carona talks about this being his last game as a senior:

Yeah, I mean, it's real special to me. It's been a long career. Started really slow. And I'm thankful for what I've been able to do this year and for kind of the second opportunity. It's special for all the seniors. And for everyone on the team, kind of being the last home game, wanting to show the fans how we can play, show them how we played in OU and bring it to the Jones, because it's our house. And I'm excited for it.

To end on a high note, I'm happy for Carona and happy that he's had success this year.  Carona also talks about the kick he'll remember 30 years from now:

One of my big kicks, I think, probably doesn't stand out, but I guess the Texas game in '08. I was having a really tough year. And I still had far field goals and I had the opportunity to come in make a kick and I think it meant a lot to the game and helped the team out. It was real big still, keep you going forward, because I had to kickoff to keep my confidence going. And that was a really big kick, and all the kicks this year have been really good. I've enjoyed being out there being able to help the team out whenever they need me.

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this is typical...

kickers are often the leading scorer on their team… and Martin Grammatica is the all time leading scorer in the NFL.

by battledome on Nov 8, 2011 11:55 AM CST up reply actions  

There you have it. TT quote, Usually I am around kids who already know how to tackle.

I have had enough of this guy. Who is our top donor. Time to start New Coach campaign.

"I feel sorry for the guys," Tech head coach Tommy Tuberville said. "They fought hard tonight. We didn't look good on offense or defense at times, and at times we looked pretty good. It's just, I don't know. Weird game.

by Btech on Nov 8, 2011 9:28 AM CST reply actions  

it's more than just players leaving their feet...

it’s sissy arm-tackling at its worst… and you can coach tackling… HS coaches do it every day

by battledome on Nov 8, 2011 11:57 AM CST up reply actions  

" The better tacklers I've been around before you didn't have to teach them anything"

to me, this sums up tub’s coaching ability

"As we continue to merely "talk about championships""

by blackbeard on Nov 8, 2011 9:30 AM CST reply actions  

What, you mean I actually have to coach them?

"I’ve established a reputation for integrity. I have maintained those high standards" - Craig James

by TechFirst on Nov 8, 2011 9:32 AM CST up reply actions  

It looked to me like

Tuberville was getting mad a Glasow. He was saying it was partly him and partly the athletes which I am sure it right partyl the athletes and mostly the coaches

by Tball on Nov 8, 2011 3:28 PM CST up reply actions  

BB great minds think alike, except this one is a no brainer

"I feel sorry for the guys," Tech head coach Tommy Tuberville said. "They fought hard tonight. We didn't look good on offense or defense at times, and at times we looked pretty good. It's just, I don't know. Weird game.

by Btech on Nov 8, 2011 9:32 AM CST up reply actions  

It shouldn’t matter if you didn’t have to do something before Tommy. You are supposedly a defensive minded coach. Get your butt out there and drill these kids on te fundamentals of tackling. Period. I don’t want to hear this “well I never had to do it before” crap. Get. It. Done.

by djthekidd on Nov 8, 2011 9:34 AM CST via iPhone app up reply actions  

I kind of thought this from the start when he was begging Tech to hire him. He is just here for a check and will move on as soon as an SEC school opens up. Hello Ole Miss and Georgia get this guy off our sidelines.

Also if he doesn’t want to recruit juco players then he better get used to getting beat by the rest of the Big 12 especially KSU.

by ST04 on Nov 8, 2011 9:36 AM CST up reply actions  

I am willing to contribute 10 million DTN bucks to Ole Miss to take him.

"I feel sorry for the guys," Tech head coach Tommy Tuberville said. "They fought hard tonight. We didn't look good on offense or defense at times, and at times we looked pretty good. It's just, I don't know. Weird game.

by Btech on Nov 8, 2011 9:38 AM CST up reply actions  

oh yeah

I forgot all about the report saying the Ole Miss job will be available at the end of the season. My only fear is what respectable coach will want to come here? Who is the Tech equivalent of Mike Gundy? Former player who is now shooting up the coaching ranks.

by djthekidd on Nov 8, 2011 9:40 AM CST via iPhone app up reply actions  

kliff

Give him a shot as the top man. What’s the worst that could happen, we end up sucking? Wasn’t he OC at Houston a little while ago?

by djthekidd on Nov 8, 2011 9:48 AM CST via iPhone app up reply actions  

Still down there as far as I know.

" Answers --Become Resources."
Without Questions, There are limited Resources...

by KWashburn on Nov 8, 2011 9:51 AM CST up reply actions  

Still at UH

I would love to get Summlin here too.

by ST04 on Nov 8, 2011 9:52 AM CST up reply actions  

the worst that could happen...

he’s too young/inexperienced to handle being an HC, and like an NFL top-pick QB that gets thrown to the wolves behind a bad OL, his confidence and career get ruined by having to follow Tubs.

Kliff for OC? Sure. HC? Give him ten years, then YES!

by battledome on Nov 8, 2011 12:00 PM CST up reply actions  

im gonna keep my mouth shut on this, but how do you give/get experience when people have a mind set like yours?

by ST04 on Nov 8, 2011 5:00 PM CST up reply actions  

uh...

if you’re a qb, you hold a clipboard for a couple of seasons (like Aaron Rodgers)… if you’re a coach, you become a consistently successful coordinator for a few years before becoming an HC… I’m not saying anything crazy… lots of successful teams do it this way

by battledome on Nov 8, 2011 5:18 PM CST up reply actions  

2008 and 2009 class defections

To me, this is one of the most glaring indictments of Tuberville! Let’s put it another way. If the old staff were still here, would these guys have left? Would they be playing and contributing?

For all of the injuries alone we’ve had, to not have these guys is even more of a killer!
When you start looking at all the people from 2008 and 2009 that have left, it’s worrisome, especially the seniors who left this year! Weren’t there like 3-4?

Say what you will about Graves, Rumph, Fehoko and Ford, but those guys should and would be out there.
Something stinks to high heaven with all of them leaving this season, especially with playing time that should have been there, given the slew of injuries once again.

And word is Cooper Washington has quit? I mean there’s a guy he was talking about redshirting but that’s now useless because he’s gone? And he burned the redshirts of four Fr RBs, who have contributed at some point, especially given Stephens injury. But one of those is suspended for the year and played one game! Did he not foresee trouble with that player?

This stuff totally drives me insane. If Tuberville has another failed season next year it’s time to pull the plug and see who can take over and develop and coach the talent!

by redraider90 on Nov 8, 2011 4:47 PM CST up reply actions  

how do you think it will be better next year, he is already saying he is in it for the long haul.

"I feel sorry for the guys," Tech head coach Tommy Tuberville said. "They fought hard tonight. We didn't look good on offense or defense at times, and at times we looked pretty good. It's just, I don't know. Weird game.

by Btech on Nov 8, 2011 11:04 PM CST up reply actions  

I heard everybody quit..

See, I can make unsubstantiated claims too…

"Again, once you employ childish language..(even when camouflaged behind parentheses)….the balance of your post is easily ignored. At that point, the impression is you are more interested in hurling invective than seriously contributing to the discourse." - ForestFlyer

by Filemon G on Nov 9, 2011 5:33 AM CST up reply actions  

Honestly . . .

TT has a point. Tackling is a fundamental skill that a Div. 1 defensive football player should already know how to do. You shouldn’t have to teach a player how to tackle. The only tackling drills at the college level should be those that hone the skill, not the “how to” drill.

It would be like teaching a Div. 1 basketball player how to shoot a jump shot – (i) put the ball in the ends of your fingers, not your palm, (ii) pull your elbow under your wrist, (iii) lift straight up, (iv) follow through. No, you don’t do that at this level. Your shooting drills are just to improve your current technique.

At the college level, you should be learning about your position, the scheme, the other teams’ schemes, etc., not "how to tackle".

If your Div. 1 players can’t tackle, then you’ve recruited the wrong players. Maybe you liked their speed, size, whatever, but if they can’t tackle, what’s the point. Tackling is without thought, and it is about body control. Some people have it, some don’t.

by TTRedRaiderAlum on Nov 8, 2011 11:05 AM CST up reply actions  

Isn’t coaching about identifying talent and putting players in the right position to be successful.

Tuberville is responsible for trotting out those guys there that somehow don’t know how to tackle. He is the HC, he has take responsibility for something.

Simple rule of thumb: Everything before the but is BS.

by FriscoRaider on Nov 8, 2011 11:32 AM CST up reply actions  

We really have not had a defense that knew how to tackle for a very long time.

Maybe that is just a Tech tradition no matter who the coach is?

"Again, once you employ childish language..(even when camouflaged behind parentheses)….the balance of your post is easily ignored. At that point, the impression is you are more interested in hurling invective than seriously contributing to the discourse." - ForestFlyer

by Filemon G on Nov 9, 2011 5:34 AM CST up reply actions  

But it doesn’t matter what they should know. The only time that mattered was when they were recruiting. They have them and they’re playing them so if they don’t know how to do something, you teach them how to do it. If they can’t learn how to do it then you sit them and put someone in who can. This is a lousy point in the season to come up with the “well, I wasn’t going to teach them how to tackle because they should already know” statement.

“You’re either coaching it or allowing it to happen.”

Be a team. Be the most excited to play. Be the best at doing your @#&$ing job.

by merrik on Nov 8, 2011 1:01 PM CST up reply actions  

I have to agree.

This is a recruiting error. Seems really simple – Don’t recruit guys for defense that don’t know how to tackle. This is where recruiting services can screw you. While I admit, these services are trying to predict the unknowable as it it, they still put way to much weight on physical attributes alone at times.

I really don’t think that college coaches should have to teach how to tackle. Not at this level anyway. They are supposed to be able to recognize who can and who can’t before they invite them.

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by Dunka on Nov 8, 2011 1:08 PM CST up reply actions  

Leach and those that came before him were successful because

first, they recruited kids that really wanted to come to Tech, and secondly, they were teachers not coaches.

TT has showed his true colors, college coaches teach, it is at the next level, the one you get paid for is where you pay for play. College is a teaching and academic enviornment. That is why Leach kicked ass.

Tubberville you Suck.

"I feel sorry for the guys," Tech head coach Tommy Tuberville said. "They fought hard tonight. We didn't look good on offense or defense at times, and at times we looked pretty good. It's just, I don't know. Weird game.

by Btech on Nov 8, 2011 2:29 PM CST up reply actions  

Leach did not like to tackle in practice...he was against it philisophically.

Recall when he promoted McNeill DC, the first thing McNeill did was start running tackling in practice, I believe he actually ran a special practice that week-end just for tackling.

Living large in Texas...Texas forever.

by TallMike on Nov 8, 2011 3:54 PM CST up reply actions  

are you saying that Leach did not coach them up

"I feel sorry for the guys," Tech head coach Tommy Tuberville said. "They fought hard tonight. We didn't look good on offense or defense at times, and at times we looked pretty good. It's just, I don't know. Weird game.

by Btech on Nov 8, 2011 11:06 PM CST up reply actions  

No, he said that Leach didn’t like to tackle in practice.

Go Raiders . . .
Double-T Nation

by Seth C on Nov 9, 2011 7:43 AM CST up reply actions  

Not only were they teachers

They were football Gods. Please don’t sell them short…

"Again, once you employ childish language..(even when camouflaged behind parentheses)….the balance of your post is easily ignored. At that point, the impression is you are more interested in hurling invective than seriously contributing to the discourse." - ForestFlyer

by Filemon G on Nov 9, 2011 5:35 AM CST up reply actions  

ridiculous

There are kids that can thrive in college PURELY on athletic ability. To say nothing of the fact that many “star” athletes in high school play both ways or out of position or any number of things. How many great athletes play QB in High School purely because it’s the position that touches the ball the most? How many CBs, LBs or Safeties are converted WRs or RBs? Saying a kid out of high school should be completely fundamentally sound or not recruited makes the coach’s responsibilities seem worthless. You san say that’s not on Tuberville or that the assistants are responsible for teaching the fundamental skill, but if our coaches are gonna say that we’re screwed with any kids coming in who don’t have the fundamentals cold, then fire them right NOW.

(heck, how many PRO players from national championship teams lack basics or fundamentals that they need to be taught after being drafted?)

by HeeroTX on Nov 8, 2011 2:28 PM CST up reply actions  

This makes sense, Heero, but at the same time the question is begging.

Why is a team that does not tackle well not work diligently on tackling well ? Not just TTU, Coach Tuberville, Coach Leach, any of the pros or national championship rooted players…just why not, when a problem as fundamental is identified, does someone, HC, DC, LB coach, anyone not make it a priority to focus for improvement with specific work on the practice field ? Or is that done but not effectively ?

Living large in Texas...Texas forever.

by TallMike on Nov 8, 2011 3:59 PM CST up reply actions  

oh, I agree

This is something that needs to be addressed, and in Tuberville’s defense, we had a serious problem with tackling in the Leach years. I don’t think this is “new”, but I’m saying it’s a cop-out to say "well, these boys don’t have technique so we suck. BS! If you’re the coach and they don’t have technique, then TEACH THEM THE TECHNIQUE. If they won’t learn, cut them and get players who will, and if you can’t teach them then you should be FIRED. (Leach covered up defensive deficiencies with prolific offense, interestingly by making sure our offense drilled the basics ad nauseum, in HIS defense, he wasn’t a defensive coach, Tuberville IS (supposed to be))

by HeeroTX on Nov 8, 2011 4:32 PM CST up reply actions  

I somewhat agree with this.

But, Leach new how to exploit a defense, so he had to know defense, he just didn’t coach the defense.

" Answers --Become Resources."
Without Questions, There are limited Resources...

by KWashburn on Nov 8, 2011 4:52 PM CST up reply actions  

And he really didn't care much about defense.

He went a lot of years before he really got upset with it and the way it cost him a game vs a guy he really wanted to beat. Fired his DC promoted a guy who wanted the job and who took it after he was given permission to run tackling exercises to improve his defense’s ability to tackle.

I will always admire Ruffing McNeill for doing that.

Living large in Texas...Texas forever.

by TallMike on Nov 8, 2011 4:59 PM CST up reply actions  

Absolutely.

" Answers --Become Resources."
Without Questions, There are limited Resources...

by KWashburn on Nov 8, 2011 5:04 PM CST up reply actions  

Pfffffffft!

I’ll accept that a couple of kids may not understand the fundamentals of tackling very well coming in – but not an entire defense!

Coaches should have their hands full, at that level, teaching schemes and preparing the players to attack the enemy. There is a cursory amount of fundamentals work that all teams go through, and from what I read through spring training there was nothing unusual or lacking about ours.

While I absolutely agree that improving technique is always a part of coaching, when tackling is an issue, we should be screaming about the one or two kids that need to learn how to tackle – not the 8 or 9+. I still say that problems we have on this D are a reflection of recruiting for speed over skill and maybe even over desire. And yes, there are kids that show you in high school that they don’t like to hit.

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by Dunka on Nov 8, 2011 4:33 PM CST up reply actions  

If they won’t learn, cut them and get players who will, and if you can’t teach them then you should be FIRED.

I think this gets to the heart of what I’m saying.

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by Dunka on Nov 8, 2011 4:35 PM CST up reply actions  

Now, Now...

That shows some sign of leadership and passion….and like Dr Cane wrote about in his post:It doesn’t seem that Tubs is here to stay…

by EDCNP on Nov 8, 2011 4:46 PM CST up reply actions  

let's compare

Give me 6 guys that’re 220 and run a 4.4 – 4.5 but have issues with tackling technique. I’ll give you 6 guys that are a mix of 180/4.4 and 250/4.9 but have beautiful technique. I’ll bet you after 7 games my guys will be more effective than yours, because to paraphrase many great coaches have said, you can teach skill, you can’t teach talent. You SHOULD assume that a large percentage of your players from high school will be “raw” (seriously, how many “great” coaches are there in the high school ranks) so I don’t see why a coach shouldn’t be able or “need” to coach skills at the college level.

Again, if YOU as the HC have too much to do, then GET GOOD ASSISTANTS!

by HeeroTX on Nov 8, 2011 4:47 PM CST up reply actions  

That sounds good, and I like it.

If they cannot do it go find someone who can.

Is that ever realistic in the way graduation rates are counted and the way that they can impact your image and your potential to be limited in recruiting if you do not make the mark.

Living large in Texas...Texas forever.

by TallMike on Nov 8, 2011 5:01 PM CST up reply actions  

tackling technique

Well, clearly it hasn’t been taught at Tech recently, or for the better part of the last 9-10 years.
They had horrible trouble tackling in 2003 with that team. 2004 and 2005’s teams could tackle, but the 2007 team prior to Lyle getting canned couldn’t do it either!
After Ruff took over, they started practicing tackling the next day after the OSU meltdown!
They got better at it in 2007 the last half and 2008. Now? Back where they were.

by redraider90 on Nov 8, 2011 4:49 PM CST up reply actions  

Great recap Seth

The only sentiment I don’t share is wishing to dump some coaches. Our hc says this is a talent issue…and this staff can recruit. I have now slotted our hc, and the issues I see begin and end with him. At least there is some honor in keeping this group of coaches who I think are good men. I’m sure many will next year look and say that 2010’s recruiting class hasn’t contributed because leach didn’t lay the groundwork in 2009. Once you start blaming someone else…..it’s hard to stop.

This is a 3 ring circus up in here......

by oldschoolraider on Nov 8, 2011 9:46 AM CST reply actions  

We cannot be blaming anything currently happening on a prior coach.

It is all here and now.

Living large in Texas...Texas forever.

by TallMike on Nov 8, 2011 4:01 PM CST up reply actions  

blaming

I think we could if he’d left it in such bad shape, but clearly that’s not the case!

It’s not like the keys to a broken down Pinto on the road were handed to Tuberville! He got handed the keys to a Cadillac and he ran it off in the ditch and totaled it!

by redraider90 on Nov 8, 2011 4:53 PM CST up reply actions  

I don't think it is clear at all.

I spent all last season reading about how bad our qb was for example…Mike Leach always fielded great qb’s except one ???

Living large in Texas...Texas forever.

by TallMike on Nov 8, 2011 5:03 PM CST up reply actions  

turning back the clock, maybe he wasn't great, but he did get us to two bowl games.

"I feel sorry for the guys," Tech head coach Tommy Tuberville said. "They fought hard tonight. We didn't look good on offense or defense at times, and at times we looked pretty good. It's just, I don't know. Weird game.

by Btech on Nov 8, 2011 11:10 PM CST up reply actions  

I think he did what each did before him.

The very best he could with what he had, both personally and as team mates.

Living large in Texas...Texas forever.

by TallMike on Nov 9, 2011 2:39 PM CST up reply actions  

It wouldn't bother me

if Tech recruited many more JUCO players—hopefully who can play! Does anybody remember Cam $ Newton? Auburn only had him for a year—but what a year!

And rebuilding would be much faster. No waiting around for redshirts to hopefully blossom.

by redraidertom on Nov 8, 2011 9:46 AM CST reply actions  

agree

I think they need to get JUCO’s where our immediate needs are. On Defense.
Mackey & Smith were a great catch.
If we had 5 or more players like that to give us an immediate impact, then keep recruiting good high school guys and let them develop mentally and physically and when they are ready, start them.

by Techcuz on Nov 8, 2011 10:05 AM CST up reply actions  

Yeppo, Mackey & Smith really tore up UT ...

And they got after those cyclones as well.

Living large in Texas...Texas forever.

by TallMike on Nov 8, 2011 4:02 PM CST up reply actions  

It takes more than two good players on defense.

by TT_LVR on Nov 8, 2011 4:06 PM CST up reply actions  

can someone PLEASE explain these two quotes to me:

I could probably have played four or five, six other guys on defense that could have helped us. You can’t do that. You have to redshirt as many as you can.

We knew we were going to struggle this year. This is a tough year. The 2008/2009 recruiting class, we had less than half of them still here. So we’re playing with mostly young guys.

I just don’t get how Tuberville can SAY "I’ve got 4, 5, or 6 other guys that could have helped us (doesn’t even protect himself with a “maybe”), AND says we knew we were going to struggle because of losses from the 08/09 recruiting classes. BUT, “gotta redshirt” those guys. No, that’s idiotic. Either play your freshmen and get the 4 years out of em, or get some jucos to bridge the bad year that you yourself were expecting. But What the heck is the point of throwing away a season just so you can get 5 years out of guys that came in this year? That sounds like a good way to annoy the hell out of all the Leach recruits, and maybe some of his own if any expected to play immediately. It’d explain the lack of playing time for Amaro if he hadn’t already burned that kid’s redshirt.

(And can someone find that guy asking the James questions (I assume it’s a CJ intern from ESPN?) and run him out of town?)

by HeeroTX on Nov 8, 2011 9:50 AM CST reply actions  

+1 the juco players could have built the foundation for this incoming group to build on. Also the whole james thing. If he was such a great leader why didn’t he play much last year?

by ST04 on Nov 8, 2011 9:54 AM CST up reply actions  

This is a coach

who is completely lost. And these quotes prove it. He has no idea what the hell he is doing right now.

by candyroll on Nov 8, 2011 10:09 AM CST up reply actions  

He burned Amaro's redshirt early on

And then sat him on the bench all year. Last week was the first time I actually saw him playing, and then only after our hero got hit hurt.

"I’ve established a reputation for integrity. I have maintained those high standards" - Craig James

by TechFirst on Nov 8, 2011 10:16 AM CST up reply actions  

He has played all year and although I think Amaro is going to be great, he has dropped passes recently, I remember one from last week which I thought he should have caught the ball, maybe on 3rd down. I keep saying this, but I guess people disagree with me, it’s incredibly hard to make an impact as a true freshman unless it’s a running back. Amaro, as great as I think he’ll be, is in the same boat. I wish he hadn’t burned his redshirt and feel that way about a lot of players.

Go Raiders . . .
Double-T Nation

by Seth C on Nov 8, 2011 10:22 AM CST up reply actions  

The pass I recall was when he got him just as he gathered it in. Probably should have held on, though.

"I’ve established a reputation for integrity. I have maintained those high standards" - Craig James

by TechFirst on Nov 8, 2011 10:43 AM CST up reply actions  

nope

it was a blindside shot….pretty hard to hold on with that.
If Amaro had gotten the majority of the snaps this year…..you could look at next year and say you are building to something and going through growing pains. Now, next years excuse is that he is learning. It is a never ending cycle of excuses.

This is a 3 ring circus up in here......

by oldschoolraider on Nov 8, 2011 10:59 AM CST up reply actions  

actually I was sitting in the end zone and got a good view, that pass was about a foot left of him;

he got his hand on it, then stripped. Would have been a nice catch. Not impossible, but it was not a drop.

I would say that Doege threw a lot of passess that were just off the mark.

"I feel sorry for the guys," Tech head coach Tommy Tuberville said. "They fought hard tonight. We didn't look good on offense or defense at times, and at times we looked pretty good. It's just, I don't know. Weird game.

by Btech on Nov 8, 2011 2:50 PM CST up reply actions  

We all look at a receiver as though we are looking at a Crabtree who could catch anything in his area code.

That pass to Amaro was a difficult to catch pass….but at the same time he is expected to catch it.

I am hurting for him currently because I think he has great ability…at least I want him to have great ability.

If he is not demonstrating it in practice, I doubt we will get to see him get many opportunities in a game.

(I loosely base that last remark on my mentality for expectations after having watched Jacoby Franks play in several games during HS and what he has accomplished at TTU—it is like night and day. I want Franks to do well so much that is is painful to see him not make more impact.)

Living large in Texas...Texas forever.

by TallMike on Nov 8, 2011 4:19 PM CST up reply actions  

It's asimply a focus issue.

These young kids need to understand you can get away with not focusing on fundamentals in high school, especially with a talent like Amaro. Fron what I understand, these high profile Frosh are having a hard time understanding that. They think they know how to do things so they don’t pay attention as much. Then, it shows up on the field.

by TechPrezNB on Nov 8, 2011 1:01 PM CST up reply actions  

two points

1. A GREAT Tight End does more than just play IR
2. I’m not saying he’s all-conference right now, but if you burn his redshirt, then play him because #82 ain’t all-conference either and I don’t think Amaro would be worse (again, not saying he’s hugely better, but would he honestly be that much worse, especially since Tuberville prefers running instead of passing ANYWAY).

And if you don’t think either of those two points is a good reason to play him, then why burn the kid’s redshirt if you’re saving up for this future title run?!?

by HeeroTX on Nov 8, 2011 2:36 PM CST up reply actions  

I think you got it with the words about Amaro.

But you know he was ranked really high so he is supposed to be an automatic-no-matter-what-great-ready- to- play TE.

Living large in Texas...Texas forever.

by TallMike on Nov 8, 2011 4:14 PM CST up reply actions  

maybe Amaro's dad

is not an asswipe

"As we continue to merely "talk about championships""

by blackbeard on Nov 8, 2011 10:52 AM CST up reply actions  

Do we have to continue to call people names and do I have to continue to ask people not to call people names? I think that it’s been established that people don’t like Craig James and it’s pretty much universal, unless you are ESPN.

Go Raiders . . .
Double-T Nation

by Seth C on Nov 8, 2011 10:56 AM CST up reply actions  

Who are the red shirts that he's saving for the future.

I thought he already burned the red shirts like Amaro.

Around here football is bigger than the state of Texas!

by Distant Raider on Nov 8, 2011 10:58 AM CST up reply actions  

and Washington, Marquez, Daniels, Williams...

Simmons, Eguaveon, and Dees…

We only redshirted one DB last year, zero DTs, and one linebacker… who are these six other players who could play defense from that freshman class… you can’t put that many DEs on the field!!

by battledome on Nov 8, 2011 12:06 PM CST up reply actions  

well then why and the hell did you burn Amaro's Red Shirt for shit hxxd number 82

what a donkey

"I feel sorry for the guys," Tech head coach Tommy Tuberville said. "They fought hard tonight. We didn't look good on offense or defense at times, and at times we looked pretty good. It's just, I don't know. Weird game.

by Btech on Nov 8, 2011 2:32 PM CST up reply actions  

For fuck’s sake, please stop calling people names.

Go Raiders . . .
Double-T Nation

by Seth C on Nov 8, 2011 2:40 PM CST up reply actions  

This is kind of what I read.

I could probably have played four or five, six other guys on defense that could have helped us. You can’t do that. You have to redshirt as many as you can.

I think he is talking about playing freshmen here, that he could have put more of these guys on the field and got playing time and some level of contribution from them, they could have helped. Perhaps we would not be trying to convert WR’s to DB’s in the middle of the season kind of help. But he chose to red shirt them and let them get a little weight and strength and adjustment to Div1 level practice and growth, maybe even spend some time teaching them to tackle on the scout teams.

We knew we were going to struggle this year. This is a tough year. The 2008/2009 recruiting class, we had less than half of them still here. So we’re playing with mostly young guys.

This one is more about depth, we haven’t experienced players filling out the depth charts because the prior recruiting class is depleted, as opposed to say a very ideal concept of having most of them still in the program currently.

That is what I sensed from those words, I did not watch the interview. In the past when I have watched him talk I got better sense of what he was saying…the context of the moment and they way he phrases is telling IMHO.

Living large in Texas...Texas forever.

by TallMike on Nov 8, 2011 4:11 PM CST up reply actions  

I hate to say this....

…..but we are sadly becoming the Cleveland Browns of the conference. Watch this youtube video, and tell me if you identify.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tzDlaot20DE

by candyroll on Nov 8, 2011 10:03 AM CST reply actions   2 recs

That video is outstanding.

Required watching…

No bullfights. No gambling. No donkeys. No vanilla extracts. No piñatas. None of that stuff. Straight football. No switchblades.

by San Antonio Red Raider on Nov 8, 2011 1:46 PM CST up reply actions   1 recs

Knowing how to yell convincingly

10/10 for delivery on that factory of sadness line.

I laughed at first because it was comically perfect.

Then I got that sinking feeling because it quickly became a glass houses thing.
Oh boy.

by Raider289 on Nov 8, 2011 1:56 PM CST up reply actions  

Did you happen to see that Packers/Chargers game today?

It’s like they’re playing a different sport than you are.

No bullfights. No gambling. No donkeys. No vanilla extracts. No piñatas. None of that stuff. Straight football. No switchblades.

by San Antonio Red Raider on Nov 8, 2011 2:00 PM CST up reply actions  

That line hit especially hard

Because right after the UT game was the LSU-Bama game. Talk about deja vu….

by candyroll on Nov 8, 2011 3:27 PM CST up reply actions  

why does Seth deoge have to say that James has changed his ways? from what? he did nothing wrong? right? just very strang wording.

by techsj on Nov 8, 2011 10:05 AM CST via mobile reply actions  

why does the media keep asking?
they bring it up to the coach and every player.

by Techcuz on Nov 8, 2011 10:17 AM CST up reply actions  

He's changed...

from being lazy during practice to working hard… that’s indisputable… and he’s produced on the field…

but that’s not why people hate him. The only change I"m interested in is the one where he cleans out his locker.

by battledome on Nov 8, 2011 12:07 PM CST up reply actions  

Coaching players ….

I had made comments on Llanonite’s FanPost "Week 10 Press Conference", so some of this might be a reiteration.

What I mainly heard from Coach Tuberville is negative comments. I know as a coach he is frustrated about the losses and that it is hard to stay positive but that is why he is the HC and why he gets paid millions of dollars.

He stated in one of his responses that "we should not have won two of the games that we did." That does not reflect confidence in your players or coaching staff. As a coach you should always see the talent in your players and be able to nurture it and bring it to the surface and make these players better than what even they thought they could be. For him to be surprised about the two wins ….. I am assuming Nevada and OU…. suggests that he didn’t think his players and coaches had it in them to get W’s in those games.

The whole talk about tackling makes me mad. That is CTT’s and the other coaches jobs and responsibilities to actually coach and teach these players the correct tackling techniques and angles to take to get an opponent down. I almost hear him saying, well the players we have don’t know how to do it but the players I had in the SEC did and so the Tech team is just screwed because either you can do it or you can’t. Maybe the Auburn players were coached and taught by the likes of Paul Rhoads and Will Muschamp. Maybe that is why we keep losing to Iowa State. Coach Paul Rhoads knows how to coach his players and CTT doesn’t.

I mentioned it in a different post, but who are these sports reporters that keep asking all of the Adam James questions?? These sports reporters could be asking a million other questions and they keep asking about James. I felt sorry for Donnie Carona because the bulk of his questions were about Adam James. I too will be very happy when this season is over and Adam James is gone and the Tech coaches and players won’t have reporters asking them questions about him.

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NUTS - Never Underestimate TEAM Strength

by RndRckTTU on Nov 8, 2011 10:15 AM CST reply actions  

I tried to find the comment about how TTU should not have won two of the games and meant to include it, but ran out of time. Does anyone else think he’s referring to Nevada and maybe Kansas?

Go Raiders . . .
Double-T Nation

by Seth C on Nov 8, 2011 10:35 AM CST up reply actions  

ooh, Kansas is a good guess, my initial thought was that he meant Nevada and OU

I’m not entirely sure a Tuberville team has ever come back from a 20 point deficit. I wish I had my own personal research minion to send off to look this stuff up.

by mojavereject on Nov 8, 2011 12:51 PM CST up reply actions  

Players – I rarely, rarely hear a coach after a game straight up admit that the other team was better. It’s usually, “we weren’t prepared”, “we didn’t execute”, “they caught some breaks”, etc. But not, “they are just better”. This coach takes it a step further and says “we are worse”.

Tackling – Coach, I don’t care if the players can’t tackle, can’t put on shoulder pads and can’t tie their shoes. That is who we are. (And by the way, you recruited some of them.) You don’t sit idly by waiting for players who can do all those things to show up. You start making what you’ve got better. Now.

AJ – Since he is a team leader, why not make him available to the media? The reporters who are so interested can get their answers straight from the horse’s mouth and Doege and Carona can stop fooling with it.

by rednblackET on Nov 8, 2011 12:54 PM CST up reply actions  

that IS a good point

If reporters keep asking about James, why HASN’T he been made available to the media? Especially if you’re marching Carona out there to take questions. (Doege is the QB, so that comes with the territory often, but Carona? Especially since we’ve got some jerkwad that really has it bad for James)

by HeeroTX on Nov 8, 2011 2:39 PM CST up reply actions  

it is out now,

oddly granted only if a Tech person were in the room

"As we continue to merely "talk about championships""

by blackbeard on Nov 8, 2011 3:16 PM CST up reply actions  

more proff that TT reads DTN

"I feel sorry for the guys," Tech head coach Tommy Tuberville said. "They fought hard tonight. We didn't look good on offense or defense at times, and at times we looked pretty good. It's just, I don't know. Weird game.

by Btech on Nov 8, 2011 3:18 PM CST up reply actions  

Seth I love this site and you do a great job....

I realize that you try to ALWAYS see the positive, and I am sure that we all appreciate your positive views…

In terms of THIS coach and staff, just three weeks ago they were getting kudos’s on beating the number three team in the country and the AP named us the number twenty team in the country, so it would be easy to conclude that a combination of our players and our coaching figured out a way to win that game vs that caliber talent.

 So when we discuss our talent level on this team,it is my humble opinion that we are making excuses, hence our current combination of players and coaches can beat the number three team, we should be able to beat Iowa St, who has inferior talent….so lets call it like it is around here, our coach and the coordinators he has choose have not done a good job with THIS team THIS year and THAT is the conversation we should be having!!!

by EDCNP on Nov 8, 2011 10:15 AM CST reply actions  

I’m not trying to make excuses. I choose to write about this team and I could write each and every day that Tuberville needs to be fired and then just stop writing. That way I wouldn’t be writing about reasons this team is losing or excuses. You can say that I’m making excuses or trying to write about the reasons I think there’s problems. I do think the talent is piss-pour, but that’s my opinion and I’m not giving Tuberville a pass because that’s my opinion. In fact, I think I said that Wade and Graves on the defensive line could have made a difference this year and they’re no longer with the team and that Tuberville needed to look in the mirror, along with the other players no longer on the team.

Saying that team A beat team B, therefore should be better than team C doesn’t always compute. For example, Missouri beat TAMU on the road. Missouri lost to Baylor at home. I don’t know what it says about the talent level for Missouri or the coaching at Missouri, but it’s the same type of argument. I could argue that the outlier for TTU is the OU game and that the “real” TTU team is the team that got whipped by ISU and blown out by UT. Sometimes things don’t compute.

Again, if you think I’m making excuses, that’s fine and you’re entitled to your opinion, but I feel like I’m trying to discuss things.

Go Raiders . . .
Double-T Nation

by Seth C on Nov 8, 2011 10:34 AM CST up reply actions  

I think we lost some decent players this year for whatever reason. Graves, and Wade had size and could have helped on the DL, Fokenko might have been a decent option at LB or DE, you never know when a player might get a spark and become a game changer.

by ST04 on Nov 8, 2011 10:43 AM CST up reply actions  

The thing that frustrates me is the talent level on D is about what it has ever been....

Yet, the performance on the field is worse…
And I don’t see anything in this year’s recruits so far that’s going to change that dramatically…
I just don’t buy the “talent” excuse… maybe it’s not good enough to win the conference… but it’s good enough to perform better than it is…
We’re currently 108th out of 120 FBS schools in total defense! Last year we were 114th!

And what happened to Wade and Graves? Two 4 star DT’s that had previous articles complementing their work habits and attitude…
and they just quietly disappear…?
I’m not really into media conspiracies… but there is a fair amount of stuff going on around this team that just doesn’t make any sense…

"Transition is hard." - TT

by Houston Raider on Nov 8, 2011 11:55 AM CST up reply actions  

And

All you hear about are excuses about talent, and the most heralded player (amaro) is given morsels of playing time because he can’t be trusted while we are getting our asses handed to us by Iowa state. Really?

This is a 3 ring circus up in here......

by oldschoolraider on Nov 8, 2011 12:09 PM CST up reply actions  

Found a pretty good article on Wade... He definitely has gone through some tough times...

<http://www.portlandtribune.com/sports/story.php?story_id=129728935109934600>

He does have some intriguing comments in there about the cut-throat business of college football…

What about Graves? Or Sam Fehoko?
So maybe they weren’t very good and they weren’t going to get to play…?
But we probably could have burned four or five or six other freshman redshirts that could’ve helped us..?
All these comments/excuses just don’t make sense to me…

"Transition is hard." - TT

by Houston Raider on Nov 8, 2011 12:46 PM CST up reply actions  

This happens a lot when a new coaching regime comes to town

They draw a line between players they’ve recruited and players the old regime recruited and basically say “You can stay if you want, but you don’t fit into what we’re trying to do here, and your career will probably be better served taking your talents elsewhere”. I don’t think it’s necessarily the best policy, but it’s how a lot of college coaching staffs operate.

by mojavereject on Nov 8, 2011 12:55 PM CST up reply actions  

I recognize this is the case...

And that holds up pretty well in the case of Fehoko…
But doesn’t really with Graves… that one points more to something other than a talent or capability problem…

"Transition is hard." - TT

by Houston Raider on Nov 8, 2011 1:04 PM CST up reply actions  

Agree...

Wade could have played nose in a 3-4 or DT in a four man front… Graves wasn’t as flexible – he was a 4-man DT. With us changing to the 4-2-5, you’d think that he’d see more playing time, not less…

I remember that Wade was offended by the way that the coaching staff treated him during the off-season. He wasn’t on the depth chart at all. When he asked why, the coaches responded that they thought he was graduating. They didn’t even know what graduating class he belonged to! Talk about bungled… and now that lack of DT depth is biting them in the butts… it’s biting us all in the butts!

by battledome on Nov 8, 2011 1:09 PM CST up reply actions  

yep...

having trouble sourcing it, though… most of the articles that come up on Wade are about his more recent playing time… not much pops up when you google “Myles Wade Tech”

by battledome on Nov 8, 2011 5:20 PM CST up reply actions  

I'm sure Fehoko in particular was frustrated about how how his performance in spring and fall

which were unequivocally strong (all the scrimmage boxscores I saw where he participated had him near or topping defensive statistics), basically translated into him being asked to bat cleanup for freshmen. Graves, on the other hand, really seemed to be the forgotten man, and got similar treatment from Glasgow that Wade got from Willis. Both were guys that Ruffin & Co. pulled, and I think that while playing time wasn’t their #1 priority, I think once both the playing time and their personal relationships with the senior coaching staff went, there wasn’t much reason for either to stay.

by mojavereject on Nov 8, 2011 1:16 PM CST up reply actions  

Exactly... these scenarios are significantly impacted by the behavior of the current coaching staff...

The same staff that is now offering up the “lack of talent” and “too young” excuses…
even implying it is the previous coaches fault (or maybe that was just Don Williams..)
I just can’t believe we’re supposed to accept that story…

"Transition is hard." - TT

by Houston Raider on Nov 8, 2011 1:38 PM CST up reply actions  

This current staff doesn't look so good now

A lot of good players that could be making difference are gone, mostly for BS reasons. I know this happens all the time, but Tubs’ and Glasgow’s methods don’t seem to be working, eh? In fact, ole Ruffin’s last three defenses look like this Crimson Tide compared to this current edition under “Mr. Defense” Tubs!

by djn on Nov 8, 2011 2:56 PM CST up reply actions  

I surely did not mean to say that you were making excuses...

And if it came out that way then I apologize,I was mostly referring to Tuby

I also would like to have “discussions” about several topics including our coaching,and I personally feel that the talent level is good enough to “scheme” and beat a great program like OU then talent is not the issue, meaning that the team is “capable” of doing that well(I understand your team A,B and C argument and agree it doesn’t always make sense)…

The “discussion” should be that we are “capable” and with the proper coaching and leadership we should be able to win home games (Tuby now 1-6 at home) , so we are seeing a complete collapse under the “Tuby regime” and the discussion should be “Why” vs talent, ..Leach had many recruits with less stars and the defense on those teams we never this bad,looking at our defensive rankings we are going backwards!!!

Lets “discuss” scheme(4-2-5 vs run, 4-3 under Jeep and trying to fit our current personal to those schemes and the result has been disaster; so logic dictates questioning the guy who made these decisions to answer to the results and not throw the current players under the bus, doesn’t seem like leadership to me in my humble opinion).

As you can see by the standings below we should expect and demand a better bottom line and making the excuses that Tuby is making reminds me of Obama blaming Bush three years after he is in office for the economy, that is not flying with voters and blaming “talent” is very similar…so PLEASE for the sake of your credibility Tuby, please stop making excuses and throwing your players under the bus and MAN UP and make adjustments like other good coaches do and just win more….PLEASE!

TEAM CONF OVERALL

  • - Oklahoma State 6-0 9-0
  • - Oklahoma 5-1 8-1
  • - Kansas State 4-2 7-2
  • - Texas 3-2 6-2
    Texas A&M 3-3 5-4
    Baylor 2-3 5-3
    Iowa State 2-4 5-4
    Texas Tech 2-4 5-4
    Missouri 2-4 4-5
    x – Kansas 0-6 2-7

by EDCNP on Nov 8, 2011 1:37 PM CST up reply actions  

Then feel free to discuss it and I won’t bold the word discuss or some variation thereof to emphasize it. I don’t know how he’s throwing players under the bus (other than maybe he said that they’re not tackling, which they’re not), but that’s something you can talk about. Again, I’m in a wait and see mode for the rest of the year, I didn’t get too up after OU and I tried not to get too down after ISU. After UT, I think it became clear that it looked like the players on the field were absolutely out-manned. It was just my opinion and as I said on Saturday, it just sorta clicked with me as I was watching LSU and Alabama.

Go Raiders . . .
Double-T Nation

by Seth C on Nov 8, 2011 1:55 PM CST up reply actions  

RndRckTTU makes a good point about throwing players under the bus...
He stated in one of his responses that “we should not have won two of the games that we did.” That does not reflect confidence in your players or coaching staff. As a coach you should always see the talent in your players and be able to nurture it and bring it to the surface and make these players better than what even they thought they could be. For him to be surprised about the two wins ….. I am assuming Nevada and OU…. suggests that he didn’t think his players and coaches had it in them to get W’s in those games

by EDCNP on Nov 8, 2011 2:11 PM CST up reply actions  

I think he’s probably right, I don’t think that TTU should have won the Nevada game and if he’s talking about the Kansas game, that comeback was really impressive and normally would not have been won in a normal situation. Down by 21 or something?

Go Raiders . . .
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by Seth C on Nov 8, 2011 2:21 PM CST up reply actions  

I am not sure that's how I would motivate my team by telling the world...

That they were lucky or should not have won?
Do you think the last two weeks maybe the team has “tuned out” the coaching staff and just maybe comments like this don’t help his cause?

by EDCNP on Nov 8, 2011 2:39 PM CST up reply actions  

I understand how you think it’s throwing the players under the bus, but its kinda like Leach calling out the players after the TAMU game, saying that they were listening to the press. I don’t think that honest comments and I think that Tuberville’s comments and Leach’s comments were both honest, necessarily hurt a team or the psyche, but that’s just me.

Go Raiders . . .
Double-T Nation

by Seth C on Nov 8, 2011 3:12 PM CST up reply actions  

I think what really hurts TT is that he tells his players they are bad,

while Leach said they were good, but they were distracted or whatever.

TT blames lack of talent, Leach said lack of focus.

Personally, I would rather play for the coach who believes in me, but gets mad at me when I under perform.

"I feel sorry for the guys," Tech head coach Tommy Tuberville said. "They fought hard tonight. We didn't look good on offense or defense at times, and at times we looked pretty good. It's just, I don't know. Weird game.

by Btech on Nov 8, 2011 3:15 PM CST up reply actions  

I would guess that there were times that Leach said that the team didn’t tackle and that maybe his team didn’t deserve to get a win. Yes, Tuberville is saying that there’s a lack of talent on the team, but the players aren’t proving him wrong. They could also say that it would be nice to get some coaching up in this. It’s a circular argument for me and I don’t think it matters all that much.

Go Raiders . . .
Double-T Nation

by Seth C on Nov 8, 2011 3:28 PM CST up reply actions  

I see your point Seth...

You value our coach being honest with the press vs. telling the press what you want from the team…I respect that, though tend to lean the other way.

by EDCNP on Nov 8, 2011 3:50 PM CST up reply actions  

circular argument?

like water going down a toilet?

"As we continue to merely "talk about championships""

by blackbeard on Nov 8, 2011 3:50 PM CST up reply actions  

depending on which side of the continent you are on

"I feel sorry for the guys," Tech head coach Tommy Tuberville said. "They fought hard tonight. We didn't look good on offense or defense at times, and at times we looked pretty good. It's just, I don't know. Weird game.

by Btech on Nov 8, 2011 11:15 PM CST up reply actions  

What happens when you are exactly at the equator ?

When know more or less when north or south, but what happens in the middle ?

It frightens me to consider the possibilities !!!

Living large in Texas...Texas forever.

by TallMike on Nov 9, 2011 2:42 PM CST up reply actions  

The equator is only the true center 2 days a year

So between Dec 21st and June 21st it swirls in the Australian direction. The rest of the year it swirls the Northern hemisphere direction. On those two days maybe it doesn’t swirl at all, it just drops like a rock?

2011 Season - No excuses. Just win!

by mbrown603 on Nov 9, 2011 5:55 PM CST up reply actions  

Actually those dates would be Sept 21st & April 21st

Never listen to the liberal arts major when there is science involved.

2011 Season - No excuses. Just win!

by mbrown603 on Nov 9, 2011 6:01 PM CST up reply actions  

Conceptually, I think it’s fine.
http://www.doubletnation.com/2011/7/13/2257020/multiplicity-but-simplicity-the-five-spoke-secondary

Now I’m starting to think that the size of the defense is an issue, especially in the front 7
http://www.doubletnation.com/2011/5/18/2158767/multiplicity-but-simplicity-sizing-up-the-defenses

And since TCU is the team that we’ve based this on, TCU stopped the run for a long time, but the problem with comparing that is that they were doing it in a non-BCS conference and seems like a tough comparison.
click through the years – http://cfbstats.com/2011/leader/national/team/defense/split01/category01/sort01.html

Go Raiders . . .
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by Seth C on Nov 8, 2011 2:36 PM CST up reply actions  

Right now, no, I don’t think we do.

Go Raiders . . .
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by Seth C on Nov 8, 2011 2:41 PM CST up reply actions  

4 of bottom 20 in Big VII?

99 Oklahoma State
100 Kentucky
101 San Diego State
102 Akron
103 Buffalo
104 Northern Illinois
105 Iowa State
106 Middle Tennessee
107 Troy
108 Ball State
109 Baylor
110 Mississippi
111 Western Michigan
112 Air Force
112 New Mexico State
114 Colorado State
115 Maryland
116 Wyoming
117 Indiana
118 Texas Tech
119 New Mexico
120 Kansas

by EDCNP on Nov 8, 2011 2:48 PM CST up reply actions  

More

Than you know…this Osu team and 08 tech.

This is a 3 ring circus up in here......

by oldschoolraider on Nov 8, 2011 3:01 PM CST up reply actions  

I hate to see

What LSU would do to them.

"I’ve established a reputation for integrity. I have maintained those high standards" - Craig James

by TechFirst on Nov 8, 2011 4:05 PM CST up reply actions  

What if OSU breaks a few big pass plays and then LSU is playing from 14 behind...?

What happens then?
I don’t think you can just assume LSU would just dominate OkState if they played…
Maybe… but maybe not…
I’m an LSU fan (wife’s alma mater) and I wasn’t very impressed with their offense…
very inconsistent quarterback play… which has to been their only problem for several years now…

"Transition is hard." - TT

by Houston Raider on Nov 8, 2011 5:20 PM CST up reply actions  

Why? Because we used to both be on fairly parallel trajectories?

Don’t worry…. they can’t win a championship… they don’t have a defense…
And we all know defense wins championships…
All this hoopla about them right now is meaningless stuff…
someone some day will look back on it and complain about it… or call it mediocre…

"Transition is hard." - TT

by Houston Raider on Nov 9, 2011 8:35 AM CST up reply actions  

OSU

their offense makes up for their bad defense.
Kinda of like TT of the past 10 years.

by TT_LVR on Nov 8, 2011 4:13 PM CST up reply actions  

Those bad leach

Defenses look like the 85 bears compared to the turds we’ve fielded the last 2 years

This is a 3 ring circus up in here......

by oldschoolraider on Nov 8, 2011 9:45 PM CST up reply actions  

I'm sure I'm late to the party

but it looks like Scott Smith is frustrated- reading the tweets on the side of DTN. Williams and Hyatt are sounding off.

No bullfights. No gambling. No donkeys. No vanilla extracts. No piñatas. None of that stuff. Straight football. No switchblades.

by San Antonio Red Raider on Nov 8, 2011 10:01 PM CST up reply actions  

Opinion on the 4-2-5?

My opinion is right now it’s not working!

by djn on Nov 9, 2011 12:04 AM CST up reply actions  

Seth - you seem to have significantly discounted two important data points...

ISU – Is our “talent” really that bad? Is that game not part of the picture? Is it really all about “talent?”
OU – Was that game really THAT MUCH of a fluke? No “talent” was involved?

"Transition is hard." - TT

by Houston Raider on Nov 8, 2011 5:32 PM CST up reply actions  

I don’t really think that TTU has worse talent than ISU, but it sure as hell looked like it against UT and against ISU. For me, it’s a combination of things, coaching, the talent on the field looks inadequate (I don’t like this word, but I’m going with it for now), players missing assignments, etc. It’s just a dumpster fire.

Go Raiders . . .
Double-T Nation

by Seth C on Nov 8, 2011 5:50 PM CST up reply actions  

I agree with the dumpster fire...

I just don’t agree tha the talent is worse than it has been for many years…
And I have this terrible fear that if that’s really what’s keeping us from success.. then we are NEVER going to get there…

"Transition is hard." - TT

by Houston Raider on Nov 8, 2011 10:18 PM CST up reply actions  

I am so glad that Kansas is in our conference

"I feel sorry for the guys," Tech head coach Tommy Tuberville said. "They fought hard tonight. We didn't look good on offense or defense at times, and at times we looked pretty good. It's just, I don't know. Weird game.

by Btech on Nov 8, 2011 3:19 PM CST up reply actions  

I am having a problem with the talent discussion and here is why.

I have seen people who were incredibly talented in their fields. Often the talent could not be seen because they would not always bring it forth when needed…some may say lazy, some may say crazy, and some may say no talent.

But I see talent as what exists but not necessarily applied in the most beneficial way…past habits are very difficult to break. I fall back on a series of bb practices that I watched a few years ago in which a fair to middlin bb coach had brought in a pretty good group of freshmen for his program. He worked them hard and often commented things like you used to be able to get away with that in HS but at this level it won’t work. The kids were talented they displayed great skills individually, but to get them to play team bb was a different and difficult problem.

Most of these kids have been playing under different programs and different coaching all their lives, they are now trying to unlearn old ways and pick up new ones and it takes a lot of time of effort to get there…that is more the basis for having HS’ers over JC’ers in the program.

I cannot believe that we do not have talent either as players or as coaches, I do beleive that they are working with very raw levels of understanding and automatic execution with the youth and depth of youth in the program, whether a freshman starter or a senior defender who is trying to learn what ever it is that the DC is trying to organize.

Living large in Texas...Texas forever.

by TallMike on Nov 8, 2011 4:35 PM CST up reply actions  

On a positive note: if one believes all that tubs has to say as fact

he probably did not teach Ray Lewis how to play defense, otherwise Mr. Lewis would be the owner of a cupcake stand somewhere in DesMoine

"As we continue to merely "talk about championships""

by blackbeard on Nov 8, 2011 10:40 AM CST reply actions  

I can see it now...

Ray Lewis’ Cupcakes (and switchblades)… purveyors of the finest Cupcakes (and switchblades) in all of central Florida

by battledome on Nov 8, 2011 12:13 PM CST up reply actions  

Switchblades in cupcakes or switchblade cupcakes? The world needs to know!

by djthekidd on Nov 8, 2011 12:53 PM CST via iPhone app up reply actions  

PSU

just thought about this but I am guessing that Simmons and other from Pitt are glad they came to tech now.

Texas Tech Defense..."60% of the time it works every time."

by I bleed Red and Black on Nov 8, 2011 10:53 AM CST reply actions  

As I recall... they were mainly looking at Pitt and WVU...

So.. based on the way things are going this year… not so sure they’re glad… I hope so…

"Transition is hard." - TT

by Houston Raider on Nov 8, 2011 11:41 AM CST up reply actions  

I'll say it again....

I commented the other day that “something is amiss”. For a team to go downhill as quickly as this one has after the OU game…(and competitive efforts before that against A&M and K-State)…it’s not all about the talent-level of the players, even though that is a legitimate issue. Something has happened behind the scenes and this team has come apart. It could be in-fighting between coaches, between players or between players and coaches. There are few if any leaders among the players and you need team leaders when things go wrong. Tubs doesn’t seem to be hands-on enough to pull these guys out of whatever funk they’ve fallen into either. Hopefully, the players will suck it up and play better, but I have serious doubts.

by snc915 on Nov 8, 2011 11:39 AM CST reply actions  

I know that I will hear the black helicopter comments for this, but I think it all started after the OU game with the concerted effort to leverage the good will from the OU win to rehabilitate the image of one #82.

Simple rule of thumb: Everything before the but is BS.

by FriscoRaider on Nov 8, 2011 12:28 PM CST up reply actions  

We

Suck.

End. Of. Story.

My only request? Just go out and play hard. Don’t quit out there. And try to win the game. Just try.

"I just saw they left RoJo one on one in the corner, and, with a guy like that..uh, you just cant do that. It's nice to make 85,000 people shut up." -Graham Harrell after the 2006 A&M-Tech game at Kyle Field

by ttutyler on Nov 8, 2011 11:44 AM CST via mobile reply actions  

Don't Quit

Also applies to the coaches. I almost burned the TV set when I saw Tubs quit in the ISU game. There were about 40 seconds left, Tech was driving, but it was 4th down on about the 40-45 yard line in ISU territory. What does Tubs do? He punts.

Now there is a clear “I give up” move. And if the coach quits, how can he tell the players not to quit?

And it also shows I didn’t quit. I watched the whole game.

by candyroll on Nov 8, 2011 1:15 PM CST up reply actions  

I know Seth doesn't like to hear this

…but that’s also why the “folks” liked Leach so much. They watched and experienced a guy that never quit, and never would.

by candyroll on Nov 8, 2011 1:17 PM CST up reply actions  

You must be talking about someone else, I don’t know if I’ve ever told or asked that anyone stop posting about Leach. That’s other websites, but not DTN.

Go Raiders . . .
Double-T Nation

by Seth C on Nov 8, 2011 1:57 PM CST up reply actions  

My apologies then

I thought you might label this as “name-calling”, since by association I’m calling Tubs a quitter.

by candyroll on Nov 8, 2011 3:34 PM CST up reply actions  

Oh, I didn’t catch that and didn’t make the connection. It’s the direct name-calling that’s the problem.

Go Raiders . . .
Double-T Nation

by Seth C on Nov 8, 2011 3:41 PM CST up reply actions  

During the OU game in 08

In the 4th quarter we had a goal line stand to stop OU from scoring again. Then we drove down the field and scored, with only a few seconds left.

I know, we got destroyed, and Leach the main guy to blame for it, but I still remember that. We were getting throttled, and the defense held them on 4 consecutive plays and the offense drove it down and scored with 11 seconds left. Here’s the play by play:

http://scores.espn.go.com/ncf/playbyplay?gameId=283270201&period=4

Granted, it’s a pointless exercise, and no one cares about moral victories, but that last sequence of events in that horrible game has always stood out in my mind. They could have easily folded, but they didn’t.

No bullfights. No gambling. No donkeys. No vanilla extracts. No piñatas. None of that stuff. Straight football. No switchblades.

by San Antonio Red Raider on Nov 8, 2011 1:59 PM CST up reply actions  

Leach said you coach until the last play whether you ahead by 50 or behind by 50

Same philosphy of another winner in San Antonio who has led the SPURS to 4 championships.

"I feel sorry for the guys," Tech head coach Tommy Tuberville said. "They fought hard tonight. We didn't look good on offense or defense at times, and at times we looked pretty good. It's just, I don't know. Weird game.

by Btech on Nov 8, 2011 2:54 PM CST up reply actions  

defense

With respect to the difference between the Tech vs. Texas game and Alabama vs. LSU. If you compare the defensive fronts between Alabama and us. The lineman are 50-60lbs undersized. The linebackers are around 30lbs undersized. So right in the middle there is a difference of 160lbs from us to them. We need more size in the middle of the line. I agree with not taking a lot of JUCO players, but two or three experienced large D-Line players could make a huge difference.
The other problem is the D playing as a team. This defense seems to have a larger need to play as a unit for it to work. One person messes up and it kills everyone. A larger D-Line could give more wiggle room for small mistakes.

by gredraider07 on Nov 8, 2011 1:31 PM CST reply actions  

JUCOs:

Darrin Moore & Scott Smith.

Why would we not want a few guys like that in every class?

I agree with others here- Tuberville seems to be talking until he can think of something meaningful to say. None of it really makes a lot of sense.

No bullfights. No gambling. No donkeys. No vanilla extracts. No piñatas. None of that stuff. Straight football. No switchblades.

by San Antonio Red Raider on Nov 8, 2011 2:12 PM CST reply actions  

He may be talking until he gets something worth while.

I remember someone from Auburn making a comment about him and his interviews that indicated to me that Coach Tuberville’s interviews would have lots of information but would not always makes sense to fans….but might be pointed at a player, groups of players, coaches, etc.

His comment about JC’s says he is interested in taking a few….I think 2 or 3 ish is what I read as opposed to 12, 15, 18.

We did take a few last class, and got excited about them.

Living large in Texas...Texas forever.

by TallMike on Nov 8, 2011 4:53 PM CST up reply actions  

Players

Somehow Bill Snyder has made it work. He even has 12 unused scholarships, aside from using four walk-ons in the two deep. in the stages that we are currently in a class made of up 20 – 25% of Juco players may help. They seem to typically take a year to develop, so I can see where Tubs is hesitant to add many at all. I do think it is something he practiced at Auburn, and many SEC defensive lines seem to have starters from JUCO schools. I don’t know about Wade, but I can say Graves departure from the team was due to use of a “un-synthetic” band substance. He is still enrolled in school, (I saw him last night at Burgers and Beers put on by TTAA) and he is looking to transfer at the semester to a school in Georgia.

Personal Financial Planning student graduating in December 2011, job offers welcome

by WestTX_BBQ on Nov 8, 2011 2:27 PM CST reply actions  

On a side note

I see the start time for the Baylor game has been changed to 6 p.m. to suit the TV folks. And the announcement from TTU says we will set a record for having 11 humiliations games shown on TV this year. What a year to showcase our team. (or does somebody just want to rub it in?)

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by TechFirst on Nov 8, 2011 4:14 PM CST reply actions  

A "sell out"...

…or “to sell out”? Please clarify.

Be the kind of woman that when your feet hit the floor each morning the devil says, "oh crap, she's up".

by Austin, Tx on Nov 9, 2011 10:00 AM CST up reply actions  

OH, that is scary...

Living large in Texas...Texas forever.

by TallMike on Nov 9, 2011 2:43 PM CST up reply actions  

I passed on reading the whole article...

But to those who continually claim that we would definitively be better this year…please elaborate on how you know this! I would really like to know from where you receive your clairvoyant visions of success.

As i try and explain to so many of my friends about sports, it’s not like any of these teams we play, plan on losing to us. Do we really want to rest on years past and use that as a basis for future success? I’m not saying I’m not distraught, but I also know from my time playing football (albeit high school) that the best laid plans of mice and men sometimes go awry.

I’m not giving the coaches a pass, but I’m also not ready to jump off the ledge and throw everything away.

I know most of you won’t appreciate or agree with these sentiments but they’re what being a fan, not only of the team but the sport, is all about.

V/r

by travis.w.bishop on Nov 9, 2011 2:32 PM CST reply actions  

Great plan!

Only read things from people that agree with you. I suppose that would be simpler, but most of the folks here are willing hear all sides and make their own judgements about where we stand on issues.

Simple rule of thumb: Everything before the but is BS.

by FriscoRaider on Nov 9, 2011 3:09 PM CST up reply actions  

Nancy and Fluberville

I hope the crowd at the Jones hazes their sacks off the whole game. I will be at the ranch watching the game. Time to bring back the tortillas for both of them and light em up!! Tortilla time for Nancy and Flubby. Two nuts in the sack that need to be cracked! Guns UP!!

by tt96 on Nov 9, 2011 6:01 PM CST reply actions  

Buck Flubby and Nancy!!

Throw a tortilla and hit Hance while he is there somewhere for me too. Slapdicks.

by tt96 on Nov 9, 2011 6:03 PM CST reply actions  

1992

One day closer till Gooberville is gone!

by tt96 on Nov 9, 2011 6:05 PM CST reply actions  

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