PATERNO OUT IMMEDIATELY
by Tech92 on Nov 9, 2011 9:16 PM CST
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PrintBoard of Trustees at PSU fire Joe Paterno effective immediately. It's about damn time. They finally, finally did the right thing. About 15 years too late, it turns out. But right none the less.
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Yea…baffled as to why mcQuery can still coach this weekend. This guy is public enemy #2 behind Sandusky.
by WreckerRaider on Nov 9, 2011 10:07 PM CST up reply actions
I'm a troll now because I'm reposting, with 1 edit. This disgusts me.
I intentionally avoided the story for a few days, but I wanted to watch the War Eagle/Roll Tide piece last night so I looked up ESPN in my TV Guide and tuned in. They never showed 30 for 30 at 11pm so instead I saw some bits on SC and started hearing some of the details of what happened, and who knew what, and how the "letter of the law" was followed by Paterno, and he’s a legend, and a whole lotta bullshit.
I don’t think I’ll ever be able to see his face again without feeling complete disgust. How could you KNOW something like that and carry on for years like you’re some kind of fucking saint? And then those idiot students camping outside his house telling him how much they love him. It makes me sick. Where does it stop?
Like it or not, this is all about Paterno. Sandusky is a monster that will burn in hell, but this is about Paterno. This story was conveniently buried until he get could get his precious record. He testified before the grand jury a FUCKING YEAR AGO and he let this sick bastard creep around the campus and locker room for over 30 years- even up to a few weeks ago. Fuck you Joe Paterno.
Our society, the NCAA, college football, ESPN, this FUCKING MACHINE that has been created that steamrolls kids and families needs to stop. It makes you step back and look at things differently. Win at all costs, even if we destroy children in the process.
God bless you, Tommy Tuberville. I’m glad a decent and honorable man represents Texas Tech.
I’m gonna go hug my kids.
No bullfights. No gambling. No donkeys. No vanilla extracts. No piñatas. None of that stuff. Straight football. No switchblades.
by San Antonio Red Raider on Nov 9, 2011 9:21 PM CST reply actions 1 recs
Wait....what?
He testified before the grand jury a FUCKING YEAR AGO
They sat on this for a year? I thought that testimony was this week? What the hell is wrong with these people? Kids were abused, I don’t about records. All the adults in this situation failed those poor children.
by djthekidd on Nov 9, 2011 9:30 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
I read it earlier today but can't find the exact article.
Here’s a timeline from ESPN
March 2011
Harrisburg (Pa.) Patriot-News reports that grand jury is investigating Sandusky on allegations of indecent assault against a teenage boy. The Patriot-News reports that five people with knowledge of the case said the grand jury has been meeting for 18 months and has called witnesses, including Paterno and Curley. Penn State declines comment.
Full details (prepare to be sickened)
No bullfights. No gambling. No donkeys. No vanilla extracts. No piñatas. None of that stuff. Straight football. No switchblades.
by San Antonio Red Raider on Nov 9, 2011 10:20 PM CST up reply actions
+10000000 SARR
Producing good young men and women are what we should truly expect from our coaches.
"Again, once you employ childish language..(even when camouflaged behind parentheses)….the balance of your post is easily ignored. At that point, the impression is you are more interested in hurling invective than seriously contributing to the discourse." - ForestFlyer
Major disconnect
between PSU fans on this board and reality. I’m stunned that they are pissed at the BoT for firing Paterno. It truly is sad that they can’t see this for what it is. I thought PSU turned out bright kids. I was wrong.
OMG
DO NOT go to that board. It is way too upsetting. I cannot believe the outrage people are expressing on behalf of that guy. I cannot even say his name. It is depraved, vile, without regard for that poor boy – how can ANYONE try to defend him much less express outrage at his ouster??? What is the this world coming to? I am thoroughly depressed & unnerved.
Be the kind of woman that when your feet hit the floor each morning the devil says, "oh crap, she's up".
by Austin, Tx on Nov 9, 2011 10:12 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
This kind of thing happens when
people value winning and championships above ethical behaviour and morality.
One of the people trying to bring sanity to that board
“i called you guys “cultists” earlier and immediately thought i probaly went to far. but you sir have given me renewed faith in the insular hive mind of central PA…."
He was responding to this posting by a Paterno fanatic:
“Endings like this will make Paterno a diety. Paterno haters just made the biggest mistake.”
There are some very confused people in PA
NUTS - Never Underestimate TEAM Strength
Posted on other thread myself, SARR
If a public school teacher (I used to be one) doesn’t report abuse, they get fired and indicted right away. With a big-time “sacred cow” football coach, well….folks don’t want to rush to conclusions. I hope Paterno’s firing finally starts changing this kind of double standard—YOU FREAKIN’ REPORT CHILD ABUSE! (Ever heard of calling 911? You can call anonymously.) Any college sports scandal we’ve seen-even Baylor’s BB scandal with Dave Bliss pales in comparison with a coach who allows someone to rape children in his locker room. PSU Board did the right thing tonight—they need to keep cleaning house of these sorry folks.
Turn on CNN
It’s disgusting that these students are rallying around a man who helped cover up anal rape of a teenage boys.
ABCPhilly Twitter reported...
The liability for the university could reach $100 million. Actually, I think that might be a conservative estimate. PSU will pay for this for a LONG time.
Maybe not
I’m not a Penn. lawyer, but sovereign immunity may prevent any suits against the school.
by BTownTechster on Nov 10, 2011 3:22 PM CST up reply actions
On the ESPN website
check Herbies interview. He’s confused [his words] and really feels sorry for the players and Joe. Doesn’t say much about the victims. Amazing how they aren’t throwing Paterno under the bus, like they did the Pirate.
Huh?
ESPN has had people on all day that were aghast at this and calling for Paterno to be fired. Dozens of interviews today saying that.
Please stop this. There is no comparison to what happened at Texas Tech and what is happening at Penn St. Any more comments like this by anyone, including you or TTU-KP about a comparison will be banned. I don’t need this.
Go Raiders . . .
Double-T Nation
I wasn’t trying to compare the two situations. I was just saying maybe Herbie’s judgement is skewed from hanging out with Craig James.
“maybe he thinks rape is ok since he hangs out with craig james”
Craig James may be a lot of things, but he didn’t rape anyone. Again, we’re ending this conversation.
Go Raiders . . .
Double-T Nation
I guess you don’t understand the meaning of ending a conversation. I’m not real happy right now and as I said yesterday, posting on DTN is not a right, but a privilege.
Go Raiders . . .
Double-T Nation
Maybe he did not have a chance to think this out before he spoke.
My first reaction (based on incomplete info) was that Joe was on the sidelines. Now I really that he was an enabler, although I do not think he intended to be. I am guessing that he talked to San who confessed to a lesser crime and assured Joe the he (Sandusky) would not repeat the mistake. Problem is, it was already the second accusation.
This is a sad day for college football...
The events that have taken place are disgusting and wrong. The saddest part of it all is that the man who stood for morals and decency in college football forever broke his own code by not doing what he knew was right.
by Sawdawg12 on Nov 9, 2011 10:00 PM CST via mobile reply actions
JoePa should be out in front of this much like Knight at Indiana to calm down the students
And salvage what little ounce of respect PSU football still has.
Shut it down for one or two years....
this won’t be the first time or the last time that you will hear me say this…
"Fill it up again". "It's so good! Once it hits your lips it's so good!" -Frank the Tank
I read your post on another thread and completely agree
This is the most disgusting thing I’ve seen in the NCAA and somebody needs to take a stand.
No bullfights. No gambling. No donkeys. No vanilla extracts. No piñatas. None of that stuff. Straight football. No switchblades.
by San Antonio Red Raider on Nov 9, 2011 10:25 PM CST up reply actions
Seems to me that any rationale used to support shutting down the football program could also be used to support shutting down the entire university. This coverup wasn’t limited to football people. We just know their names better.
"I’ve established a reputation for integrity. I have maintained those high standards" - Craig James
good point. agree.
No bullfights. No gambling. No donkeys. No vanilla extracts. No piñatas. None of that stuff. Straight football. No switchblades.
by San Antonio Red Raider on Nov 9, 2011 11:18 PM CST up reply actions
Very dicey, putting logic in front of a lynch mob.....
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Harvey "Big Daddy" Pollitt: "What's that smell in this room? Didn't you notice it, Brick? Didn't you notice a powerful and obnoxious odor of mendacity in this room?"
In hindsight, that may have seemed insensitive....
..the overall thought not being that those responsible, or culpable, shouldn’t be held completely responsible – because they should, regardless of who they are – I ws more indicating that it is easy from a distance to burn any house down before your take into account everyone that lives there.
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Harvey "Big Daddy" Pollitt: "What's that smell in this room? Didn't you notice it, Brick? Didn't you notice a powerful and obnoxious odor of mendacity in this room?"
I always enjoy seeing your name on this blog...
you seem to be a straight shootin’ fella…but shut that mother down, NOW…SMU survived and are in a much better place because of it…everyone benefited in the long run…but it was rancid medicine
"Fill it up again". "It's so good! Once it hits your lips it's so good!" -Frank the Tank
the civil penalties that will be eventually awarded in this case would, in effect, shut that university down in many ways
"Fill it up again". "It's so good! Once it hits your lips it's so good!" -Frank the Tank
unless they have real good insurance...
"Fill it up again". "It's so good! Once it hits your lips it's so good!" -Frank the Tank
Can't believe it took this long
Makes me sick to my stomach. That poor boy. I wonder what path his life has gone down. He gets my prayers.
Be the kind of woman that when your feet hit the floor each morning the devil says, "oh crap, she's up".
I've been thinking about the one who was traveling with him
but you’re right. They are all in my prayers.
Be the kind of woman that when your feet hit the floor each morning the devil says, "oh crap, she's up".
CNN Reporter
“Can you tell us when the next Nitany Lions game is scheduled to be?” Please, CNN, have a call in anchor who isn’t British.
saw that...
"Fill it up again". "It's so good! Once it hits your lips it's so good!" -Frank the Tank
You know...
I used to really kind of like JoPa for a long time. He seemed to be just a regular guy and seemed to be better than the usual run of the mill college coach. But his whole career is forever stained—and rightfully so.
I realize this is no longer about football and it’s the last thing on my mind. But what right minded person will want to walk into this situation and replace Coach Joe? Assuming they clean house and everyone goes, next coach will have to come in and instill confidence in the players and “sell” Penn State. It’s going to be several cold winters in Happy Valley.
Saw a picture of two PSU kids in the AJ this morning...
A young married couple, with their little boy. They were sitting on the steps of a university building holding a sign saying “All evil needs is for good men to do nothing.” I thought to myself “There’s two PSU kids that are showing some integrity!” Also, the Penn State student newspaper has been all over this story since it broke and has really challenged the PSU establishment bigtime.
I have to wonder why McQuerry did not step up and pound Sandusky.
Was he a grad assistant too afraid of losing his job if he snitched?
For as long as I have been following football I never really got the JoPa thing...
he seemed to be more of a school mascot than a real football coach…can others who know more about him than I tell me what his specialty was…offensive mind?, defensive game planner? uniform designer?
"Fill it up again". "It's so good! Once it hits your lips it's so good!" -Frank the Tank
he hasn't actively coached since 2006. McQuerry ran the team, especially the offense
Bradley, the interim coach, will be good for them.
won't McQuerry eventually be gone too?
"Fill it up again". "It's so good! Once it hits your lips it's so good!" -Frank the Tank
I applaud the Penn State BoT for this decision.
They met, discussed the information, then made the only decision they could. I don’t know if they have included everyone involved, but releasing Paterno is certainly the right first step. I would hope they will go further after reviewing the data a bit more and let even more people go, no matter their standing at the university. This may be the worst of transgressions, ever. It will be a while before PSU recovers as this probably goes very deep in the athletic department. I doubt any of the other sports were involved in this or anything like it, but because football is (was) king, all the sporting teams may suffer. I expect this will cause all colleges to take a closer look internally to ensure this type thing is not or cannot happen. Prayers go out, not to PSU, but to all the victoms and their families.
TTpilk
"Never, never, never give up." Winston Churchill
Too soon?
An older female with a younger male is called a cougar. An older male with a younger male is called a Nittany Lion.
Yes, 92, way too soon.
Please, let it be for a while before trying humor. This still hurts, even way out here in Texas.
TTpilk
"Never, never, never give up." Winston Churchill
sorry, man...
I guess that explains your reluctance to shut that program down…I am sure that there are SMU alumni right here in Dallas that can relate to your feelings right now. Life can be cruel sometimes especially when it comes to sports. Ask the Texas Rangers…but this situation is sickening and is so much more than just a sport story. This is about simple human decency. There has to be swift and decisive action by whomever replaces the school president. I would suggest that they put this program in moth balls for a year or possibly two. Without there being some kind of sacrifice on the part of PSU then this story will never go away. If a self imposed time-out occurs then I would respect that institution again. If they insist on moving forward with football then the actions by all the parties in this mess will have succeeded in their efforts…I’m sorry,dj, but there has to be more than just heads rolling…
"Fill it up again". "It's so good! Once it hits your lips it's so good!" -Frank the Tank
you tried man….humor usually works in tough times.
by WreckerRaider on Nov 9, 2011 10:43 PM CST up reply actions
Not funny at all
You’re quick to pass moral judgment, and chastise those that criticize (or, God forbid, dare to boo) Adam James or Tuberville. Hold yourself to the same standard in this, a much more somber, situation.
At least 17 young boys have come forward to say that they were violated by this sick man. Their lives will never be the same. I have a daughter, a son, and another son on the way. This isn’t funny, at all.
No bullfights. No gambling. No donkeys. No vanilla extracts. No piñatas. None of that stuff. Straight football. No switchblades.
by San Antonio Red Raider on Nov 9, 2011 10:52 PM CST up reply actions
...I agreed about 15 min before you posted this...
I can admit when I’m wrong or say something in poor taste. But being high and mighty in condemning being high and mighty is quite ironic.
It's not you...
I’ve been guilty of trying to make a joke too early WAY TOO MANY TIMES
This whole situation is just eating me up. I don’t think I’ve ever felt this much anger… Maybe it’s having kids, or maybe I’m just getting old.
Anyway, I apologize for the attack. I’ve never met you, but I know you’re a good dude. This is just a baaaaad deal…
No bullfights. No gambling. No donkeys. No vanilla extracts. No piñatas. None of that stuff. Straight football. No switchblades.
by San Antonio Red Raider on Nov 9, 2011 11:00 PM CST up reply actions
Its having kids.
"I feel sorry for the guys," Tech head coach Tommy Tuberville said. "They fought hard tonight. We didn't look good on offense or defense at times, and at times we looked pretty good. It's just, I don't know. Weird game.
agreed...it's sad
As a father to a daughter, I must admit sex crimes are among my largest worries for her. It scares the crap out of me. Apology humbly accepted.
had three daughters, and one of them has been a victim.
I have been dealing with this for the past year, has been a nightmare.
"I feel sorry for the guys," Tech head coach Tommy Tuberville said. "They fought hard tonight. We didn't look good on offense or defense at times, and at times we looked pretty good. It's just, I don't know. Weird game.
thanks this one hit really really hard
"I feel sorry for the guys," Tech head coach Tommy Tuberville said. "They fought hard tonight. We didn't look good on offense or defense at times, and at times we looked pretty good. It's just, I don't know. Weird game.
thinking of you and your family buddy.
No bullfights. No gambling. No donkeys. No vanilla extracts. No piñatas. None of that stuff. Straight football. No switchblades.
by San Antonio Red Raider on Nov 9, 2011 11:05 PM CST up reply actions
that's why I posted earlier about your beautiful family they are special
"I feel sorry for the guys," Tech head coach Tommy Tuberville said. "They fought hard tonight. We didn't look good on offense or defense at times, and at times we looked pretty good. It's just, I don't know. Weird game.
You're a good man. I'll buy you a beer soon.
No bullfights. No gambling. No donkeys. No vanilla extracts. No piñatas. None of that stuff. Straight football. No switchblades.
by San Antonio Red Raider on Nov 9, 2011 11:09 PM CST up reply actions
actually she is a much the better person that I could ever be
but I will certainly take that beer next time I see you.
"I feel sorry for the guys," Tech head coach Tommy Tuberville said. "They fought hard tonight. We didn't look good on offense or defense at times, and at times we looked pretty good. It's just, I don't know. Weird game.
I know you will.
No bullfights. No gambling. No donkeys. No vanilla extracts. No piñatas. None of that stuff. Straight football. No switchblades.
by San Antonio Red Raider on Nov 9, 2011 11:11 PM CST up reply actions
I am sorry to hear that
Prayers and thoughts for you and your family
NUTS - Never Underestimate TEAM Strength
thanks probably should not have brought that up, but I too am so pissed about this
"I feel sorry for the guys," Tech head coach Tommy Tuberville said. "They fought hard tonight. We didn't look good on offense or defense at times, and at times we looked pretty good. It's just, I don't know. Weird game.
It pisses me off too
People can be so flippant about things, with jokes, assumptions, etc. Those boys had their chance at a “normal” life stolen from them. Period. They will live in varying degrees of pain for the rest of their lives.
What an insult to have not been defended by adults who should have intervened & to now have the students defend those very same adults.
Be the kind of woman that when your feet hit the floor each morning the devil says, "oh crap, she's up".
I can't even imagine Btech
I haven’t been able to wipe the tears from my eyes for two nights. I think we’re all here for each other and we can all say a prayer for anybody that’s ever been victimized…
This is getting way too deep, but it’s probably good for all of us.
No bullfights. No gambling. No donkeys. No vanilla extracts. No piñatas. None of that stuff. Straight football. No switchblades.
by San Antonio Red Raider on Nov 9, 2011 11:16 PM CST up reply actions
yeah, I have had a few moments
"I feel sorry for the guys," Tech head coach Tommy Tuberville said. "They fought hard tonight. We didn't look good on offense or defense at times, and at times we looked pretty good. It's just, I don't know. Weird game.
There
For you buddy….
This is a 3 ring circus up in here......
by oldschoolraider on Nov 9, 2011 11:18 PM CST up reply actions
I shared a little with you, Kansas game was an easy sacrifice for me
"I feel sorry for the guys," Tech head coach Tommy Tuberville said. "They fought hard tonight. We didn't look good on offense or defense at times, and at times we looked pretty good. It's just, I don't know. Weird game.
No doubt...
Being a parent changes you like no one other relationship.
This is a 3 ring circus up in here......
by oldschoolraider on Nov 9, 2011 11:22 PM CST up reply actions
I feel your pain
I, too had a daughter that was attacked by a presumed “friend” from her church. The rage has subsided, but if I ever see the guy and am aware it is the same person…….well, I don’t look good in stripes.
My heart aches for you and all others that have to deal with this type stuff. That is why this occurrance hurts so much.
TTpilk
"Never, never, never give up." Winston Churchill
Sorry to learn that, best wishes for your family.
by tony1979 on Nov 10, 2011 2:25 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Good to know. Internet man hug.
Done awkwardly, of course.
No bullfights. No gambling. No donkeys. No vanilla extracts. No piñatas. None of that stuff. Straight football. No switchblades.
by San Antonio Red Raider on Nov 9, 2011 11:04 PM CST up reply actions
It doesn't go away
protect her.
Be the kind of woman that when your feet hit the floor each morning the devil says, "oh crap, she's up".
I wish I could have been there for her, but damn she is strong I am so proud of her
"I feel sorry for the guys," Tech head coach Tommy Tuberville said. "They fought hard tonight. We didn't look good on offense or defense at times, and at times we looked pretty good. It's just, I don't know. Weird game.
Keep an eye on her
we’re not always as strong as people think. You get good at putting on a happy face & a strong front. People want to believe you’re okay so that’s what you give them.
Be the kind of woman that when your feet hit the floor each morning the devil says, "oh crap, she's up".
I was 16 BTW
whole lot of personal sharing & getting deep here tonight. But I’m sure you can see how this hits close to home.
Be the kind of woman that when your feet hit the floor each morning the devil says, "oh crap, she's up".
I have learned so much the past year
I am sorry to hear, I am so glad to have met you.
"I feel sorry for the guys," Tech head coach Tommy Tuberville said. "They fought hard tonight. We didn't look good on offense or defense at times, and at times we looked pretty good. It's just, I don't know. Weird game.
1 is too many, this could get worse
This article states that the sicko “has touched the lives of 150,000 youth in Pennsylvania in the last 20 years.”
by Nm RaiDer FAn on Nov 9, 2011 10:57 PM CST up reply actions
I heard 17 as of now
but the DA expects dozens when all is said and done. “You don’t wake up at 50 and decide to become a pedophile.” Sandusky was 50 in 1998.
I am with all parents who want to know that this is not going to be allowed under any circumstances by any person.
Anyone who does nothing “did something.” That includes any of us who look the other way or )heaven forbid) do something inappropriate ourselves.
SMU is officially off the hook
as having the biggest scandal in college football history. This is the most enormous event I think the sport has ever encountered. And I am betting this gets even bigger.
BTW, the worldwide leader is the only major new org
without an on-site camera. How is that even possible?
no boots on the ground
CNN, shockingly, is killing them on coverage…minus Dr. Phil and the anchor, of course.
no, not now...nothing to see, really
the students all went downtown, got food, walked around with camera phones and left.
No way he walks into that buzzard’s nest.
by WreckerRaider on Nov 9, 2011 10:44 PM CST up reply actions
PSU quarterback's tweet
@MacQB11 Matt McGloin
This is a tough time But the outrage we are feeling now is nothing compared to what the victims are going through.keep them in our prayers.
by Tech92 on Nov 9, 2011 10:47 PM CST reply actions 1 recs
When the story first broke
The initial reports really downplayed Paterno’s knowledge of exactly what was going on (not sure who was the force behind that spin). But it now seems clear that he was given the whole story right up front. It’s hard to even imagine how he could just do nothing – how anybody could just do nothing.
I never really like the guy, but he never struck me as evil man – as a guy who would let this kind of stuff slide just to protect a school, a friend, or a football program. That is evil beyond comprehension. That’s the kind of evil we expect from the most vile of criminals.
One of my classmates from Tech lived near Penn St for many years before coming home a couple years ago. He said his friends from up there are just numb with shock. Paterno was like a god to those people – a man of the highest moral stature.
"I’ve established a reputation for integrity. I have maintained those high standards" - Craig James
I am just guessing that if one of those boys
were one of his many grandsons he would have acted much, much differently.
You missed it, dude
The “reporters” were embarrassing. They had to come right from Scouts PSU board. The danger of granting bloggers media credentials. Usually just fans who can write.
There will be one hell of a lawsuit. They may have to stop playing sports at Penn State.
Money does not replace what the kids have been through, but damn I hope they own Jo Pa when its over.
"I feel sorry for the guys," Tech head coach Tommy Tuberville said. "They fought hard tonight. We didn't look good on offense or defense at times, and at times we looked pretty good. It's just, I don't know. Weird game.
maybe not all sports but certainly football...
but if they can’t afford it without the revenue generated by the almighty football program then I would agree…shut it all down…sorry
"Fill it up again". "It's so good! Once it hits your lips it's so good!" -Frank the Tank
McQuery needs to be fired
I have a feeling he was moved up the coaching ranks to keep his silence ( just speculation on my part)
I will never understand how he did not end this with a simple phone call to the CPS or 9-1-1 back in 2002,
Also, he should have gone into that shower and protected that little boy.
How McQuery looks himself in the mirror everyday is beyond me.
I don’t think this is over and it will take a very long time for PSU to come back as a power house in sports.
I don’t understand how those protesters can want Paterno to still be the coach.
NUTS - Never Underestimate TEAM Strength
I cannot judge McQuery, but I guess he does second guess himself every day.
At least he is testifying now. I hope he tells the story the same every time and makes a consistent, credible witness. Without his testimony there may not be enough evidence for some of the victims who may choose not to testify. I think prayers are in order for alot of folks. I will get lynched, but I hope Sandusky goes to jail for life, but I also hope that someday all can forgive him. Maybe many many many years from now. But he should never get a second chance. He should be in jail without bail awaiting the trial. there are just too many smoking guns to take any chances.
they need to cancel this game and give Nebraska a W
"I feel sorry for the guys," Tech head coach Tommy Tuberville said. "They fought hard tonight. We didn't look good on offense or defense at times, and at times we looked pretty good. It's just, I don't know. Weird game.
JoPa lives in about as modest a home as any person can
Kind of cool…not impressed with his actions, but he isn’t pretentious at all.
That's the problem with the people that are still supporting him
They go on and on about how he only had a salary of $750k and how he was just such a normal Joe with such high standards and morals and how he loved the kids who played football for him and the students, etc.
That all went out the window when the curtain on his “lack of morals” was pulled away a few days ago.
He did not do the right thing and he helped harbor a monster.
He chose the fame, the football program and his arrogance over the innocence of children.
NUTS - Never Underestimate TEAM Strength
I don't care
There is NOTHING cool about him.
Be the kind of woman that when your feet hit the floor each morning the devil says, "oh crap, she's up".
I'm not sure I agree with him not being pretentious,
maybe outwardly but….arrogance may be the word I’m looking for. Joe Paterno believed he was bigger than Penn State and Penn State football. And unfortunately, it seems he was. When asked to retire in 2004 his response, “I’ll retire when I’m ready to”.
by MatadorProud on Nov 10, 2011 8:04 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
What the hell is wrong with these college kids?
I don’t get it. Where is their sense of right and wrong? Where are their morals? Their human decency? I want to shake all of them.
Be the kind of woman that when your feet hit the floor each morning the devil says, "oh crap, she's up".
6 hour delay
On a flight back to dfw….followed this solely via twitter. Sickening shit.
This is a 3 ring circus up in here......
by oldschoolraider on Nov 9, 2011 11:19 PM CST reply actions
Very depressing
Been sitting on a tractor all day listening to all this stuff on the radio. This really has me down. The surface has just barely been scratched on these allegations. We are all going to be appalled at what went on. Lots of lives have been and will be changed from this. Just very depressing. Prayers go out to victims and for the families of all involved.
American farmers feed & clothe the world!
Ashton kutcher tweeted that he thought it was wrong to fire him…..
Thanks for your two cents.
This is a 3 ring circus up in here......
by oldschoolraider on Nov 9, 2011 11:25 PM CST reply actions
Oh shit... my opinion has totally changed now.
Thanks for clearing that up, Ashton.
No bullfights. No gambling. No donkeys. No vanilla extracts. No piñatas. None of that stuff. Straight football. No switchblades.
by San Antonio Red Raider on Nov 9, 2011 11:26 PM CST up reply actions
I saw that
and thought, “who the eff cares what he thinks about anything”???
Be the kind of woman that when your feet hit the floor each morning the devil says, "oh crap, she's up".
Can we call him a name
"I feel sorry for the guys," Tech head coach Tommy Tuberville said. "They fought hard tonight. We didn't look good on offense or defense at times, and at times we looked pretty good. It's just, I don't know. Weird game.
For the next 3 minutes you have free reign to call anybody a name.
I’ll take Seth’s wrath…
Fire away.
No bullfights. No gambling. No donkeys. No vanilla extracts. No piñatas. None of that stuff. Straight football. No switchblades.
by San Antonio Red Raider on Nov 9, 2011 11:28 PM CST up reply actions
I would rather save my chit to use on someone else, is that allowed?
Be the kind of woman that when your feet hit the floor each morning the devil says, "oh crap, she's up".
no, it's only good for tonight.
CRAIG JAMES IS A TRUCK STOP JOCKEY!
I got away with that…
No bullfights. No gambling. No donkeys. No vanilla extracts. No piñatas. None of that stuff. Straight football. No switchblades.
by San Antonio Red Raider on Nov 9, 2011 11:33 PM CST up reply actions
wait, I'm confused
I thought it was only Ashton we were allowed to call a name since that was the post btech responded to-couldn’t care less about him (ashton, not btech) but if it’s open season…
Craig James is a….
the former penn state coach is a vile, disgusting, inhuman piece of trash.
Adam James is…
Out of respect for Seth I couldn’t do it, except for the middle one because I didn’t think he would mind in that case.
Be the kind of woman that when your feet hit the floor each morning the devil says, "oh crap, she's up".
I'm on a leash, I promised Seth I would be on my best behavior
"I feel sorry for the guys," Tech head coach Tommy Tuberville said. "They fought hard tonight. We didn't look good on offense or defense at times, and at times we looked pretty good. It's just, I don't know. Weird game.
You're right Btech
You can’t call anybody a name, but the rest of us can.
Craig James is a meatstick.
No bullfights. No gambling. No donkeys. No vanilla extracts. No piñatas. None of that stuff. Straight football. No switchblades.
by San Antonio Red Raider on Nov 9, 2011 11:41 PM CST up reply actions
You
Could tell that the hair on seths nech was standing up yesterday Btech….you are preparing him for parenthood
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by oldschoolraider on Nov 9, 2011 11:43 PM CST up reply actions
Btech was about to get banned
but he always backs off and finds his way back in…
No bullfights. No gambling. No donkeys. No vanilla extracts. No piñatas. None of that stuff. Straight football. No switchblades.
by San Antonio Red Raider on Nov 9, 2011 11:45 PM CST up reply actions
Btech
Is the good puppy dog that you cuss at but never hit
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by oldschoolraider on Nov 9, 2011 11:48 PM CST up reply actions
Insert Phote here
"I feel sorry for the guys," Tech head coach Tommy Tuberville said. "They fought hard tonight. We didn't look good on offense or defense at times, and at times we looked pretty good. It's just, I don't know. Weird game.
The guy
On the plane next to me called him a dipshit
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by oldschoolraider on Nov 9, 2011 11:29 PM CST up reply actions
I sat next to a guy on the bus that called him a FuckBall.
but I didn’t catch his name.
No bullfights. No gambling. No donkeys. No vanilla extracts. No piñatas. None of that stuff. Straight football. No switchblades.
by San Antonio Red Raider on Nov 9, 2011 11:30 PM CST up reply actions
The captain
Just announced he is an asswipe
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by oldschoolraider on Nov 9, 2011 11:32 PM CST up reply actions
And
We are out of beer :(
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by oldschoolraider on Nov 9, 2011 11:34 PM CST up reply actions
I had two "celebrity" sightings
this week in CA & OR – Huey Lewis & William H. Macy. I didn’t call either of them names.
Be the kind of woman that when your feet hit the floor each morning the devil says, "oh crap, she's up".
They were together?
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by oldschoolraider on Nov 9, 2011 11:34 PM CST up reply actions
Ha, that would have been funny!
Saw Huey Lewis at the San Diego airport & wanted to ask him if the “heart of rock & roll is still beating”.
William H. Macy was on my flight from San Diego to Portland. Wanted to start talking to him in my “Fargo” accent. I do a most excellent Fargo accent.
Be the kind of woman that when your feet hit the floor each morning the devil says, "oh crap, she's up".
I was
Going to try to outdo that random combo sighting..
I was going to say I saw Gerald Myers and carrot top together.
Give it a try….
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by oldschoolraider on Nov 9, 2011 11:41 PM CST up reply actions
Got my picture taken with Hulk Hogan at the Palms in Vegas.
Does that count?
No bullfights. No gambling. No donkeys. No vanilla extracts. No piñatas. None of that stuff. Straight football. No switchblades.
by San Antonio Red Raider on Nov 9, 2011 11:42 PM CST up reply actions
Before or After
"I feel sorry for the guys," Tech head coach Tommy Tuberville said. "They fought hard tonight. We didn't look good on offense or defense at times, and at times we looked pretty good. It's just, I don't know. Weird game.
How bout
Richard Simmons and Mike Tyson?
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by oldschoolraider on Nov 9, 2011 11:45 PM CST up reply actions
Would both of Richard Simmons ears be intact?
Be the kind of woman that when your feet hit the floor each morning the devil says, "oh crap, she's up".
Appetizer
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by oldschoolraider on Nov 9, 2011 11:47 PM CST up reply actions
Yummy!
Be the kind of woman that when your feet hit the floor each morning the devil says, "oh crap, she's up".
Danny DeVito
growled at me in a sexual manner at the Seattle airport about two years ago. Not what you were looking for but how weird is that???
Be the kind of woman that when your feet hit the floor each morning the devil says, "oh crap, she's up".
some of my co-workers met him at a bar recently
he told them to take their shirts off (they are women) within 2 minutes of meeting him.
I think he has issues.
No bullfights. No gambling. No donkeys. No vanilla extracts. No piñatas. None of that stuff. Straight football. No switchblades.
by San Antonio Red Raider on Nov 9, 2011 11:46 PM CST up reply actions
Eww!
Yes, it was very creepy when I saw him. He was coming out of the men’s room (sexy!) and let’s face it, he is not an attractive man. His wife Rhea Perlman was with him as well.
Be the kind of woman that when your feet hit the floor each morning the devil says, "oh crap, she's up".
Well, at least she's a fairly attractive man.
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Harvey "Big Daddy" Pollitt: "What's that smell in this room? Didn't you notice it, Brick? Didn't you notice a powerful and obnoxious odor of mendacity in this room?"
Ha!
I missed this one last night!
Be the kind of woman that when your feet hit the floor each morning the devil says, "oh crap, she's up".
I sat next to John Travolta in first class to Miami...
I asked him who was flying this thing…
"Fill it up again". "It's so good! Once it hits your lips it's so good!" -Frank the Tank
Ha!
I saw him when I worked on the Hill & I have to say he has charisma.
Also met Melanie Griffith & her mother Tippy Hedren. Tippy Hedren was beautiful & Melanie Griffith, while attractive, looked rode hard & put up wet.
Be the kind of woman that when your feet hit the floor each morning the devil says, "oh crap, she's up".
Like I care what AK thinks or says.
Getting fired is not what is impt. It is more impt. to decide whether to prosecute Joe or not. I bet the parents bring civil lawsuits.
How awkward
For that Nebraska team playing there Saturday…
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by oldschoolraider on Nov 9, 2011 11:26 PM CST reply actions
Put yourself in Pelini's shoes for just 2 minutes.
What the hell do you say?
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by San Antonio Red Raider on Nov 9, 2011 11:28 PM CST up reply actions
I would not want to play this game.
Really, PSU should cancel the rest of the season.
"I feel sorry for the guys," Tech head coach Tommy Tuberville said. "They fought hard tonight. We didn't look good on offense or defense at times, and at times we looked pretty good. It's just, I don't know. Weird game.
Brilliant minds!
Be the kind of woman that when your feet hit the floor each morning the devil says, "oh crap, she's up".
They should
Go do some charity work
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by oldschoolraider on Nov 9, 2011 11:33 PM CST up reply actions
had not really thought about that one...this thing affects so many
awkward is definitely the word…wonder if the game will be featured this week on flatscreen
"Fill it up again". "It's so good! Once it hits your lips it's so good!" -Frank the Tank
Cancel the rest of the effing season. Seriously.
Who can give a rip about Penn State football at this point???
@schadjoe Joe Schad
Person close to Paterno: “Board said… Frenzy… Horrific subject matter… We can’t have focus on Joe for up to five more games.”
Be the kind of woman that when your feet hit the floor each morning the devil says, "oh crap, she's up".
and the board member is still worrying about focusing on the games...pathetic
shut that mother down…
"Fill it up again". "It's so good! Once it hits your lips it's so good!" -Frank the Tank
I mentioned up above that ‘any rationale used to support shutting down the football program could also be used to support shutting down the entire university. This coverup wasn’t limited to football people. We just know their names better.’
But if the school wants to shut it down of their own accord…….. But that stinks if they do it just to put a cap on bad publicity as indicated in that tweet. That’s the kind of thinking that perpetuated the coverup.
"I’ve established a reputation for integrity. I have maintained those high standards" - Craig James
And I responded above, (even if not very well) that
.. it stinks even more for the 60,000 or so people that get penalized, and some greatly, that had absolutely nothing to do with all of this if you do shut down the university over what, maybe 10, bad people did.
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Harvey "Big Daddy" Pollitt: "What's that smell in this room? Didn't you notice it, Brick? Didn't you notice a powerful and obnoxious odor of mendacity in this room?"
I don't care
What was done was so atrocious. Drastic measures are called for.
Be the kind of woman that when your feet hit the floor each morning the devil says, "oh crap, she's up".
Drastic, yes, but only if but appropriate.
I am never in favor of hurting large numbers of innocents to amend the wrong doing of a few. Hell, I’m not in favor of hurting a single innocent person in that regard. That is akin to saying lets drop a bomb on your neighborhood because we found out that a child molester lives on your block. Hang the guilty, by all means, but once you start burning good people at the stake while in pursuit of bad people, you become the next problem that has to be dealt with.
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Harvey "Big Daddy" Pollitt: "What's that smell in this room? Didn't you notice it, Brick? Didn't you notice a powerful and obnoxious odor of mendacity in this room?"
We'll have to see how it all unfolds
before we can make informed opinions on what we think should happen. This thing ain’t over yet. Read on twitter (sports by brooks) we’re going to hear a vile new story probably by Saturday.
Admittedly my reaction right now is based on emotion.
Be the kind of woman that when your feet hit the floor each morning the devil says, "oh crap, she's up".
I agree whole heartedly - I've got no clue how big this thing really is.
Maybe by monday, I’ll have a torch in my hand on my way to Happy Valley. I’m not convinced as of yet that it goes beyond a small handful of folks. But it’s hard to deny that the culture is warped up there when you turn on the news.
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Harvey "Big Daddy" Pollitt: "What's that smell in this room? Didn't you notice it, Brick? Didn't you notice a powerful and obnoxious odor of mendacity in this room?"
My theory is it's the whole effin state
I call Ben Roethlisberger “the rapist”. No, he hasn’t been convicted. But that is my “pet” name for him.
Be the kind of woman that when your feet hit the floor each morning the devil says, "oh crap, she's up".
I do not like this one at all
"I feel sorry for the guys," Tech head coach Tommy Tuberville said. "They fought hard tonight. We didn't look good on offense or defense at times, and at times we looked pretty good. It's just, I don't know. Weird game.
It's bigger than that
This whole society is going downhill. Again, see the “Occupy” comments…
No bullfights. No gambling. No donkeys. No vanilla extracts. No piñatas. None of that stuff. Straight football. No switchblades.
by San Antonio Red Raider on Nov 10, 2011 12:13 AM CST up reply actions
Sarr, keep the faith.
The entire internet, for the most part, is engaged in this foot stomping and outrage. As much as It won’t fix anything, it should show that such a strong reaction would confirm basic human decency after all.
Great point, thanks.
No bullfights. No gambling. No donkeys. No vanilla extracts. No piñatas. None of that stuff. Straight football. No switchblades.
by San Antonio Red Raider on Nov 10, 2011 10:00 AM CST up reply actions
I think most folks are running on emotion right now, Austin.
I’ve spent most of my career as a felony prosecutor where I dealt with pure evil on a regular basis, including plenty of ‘people’ like this Sandusky guy. I admit it has hardened my emotional side. You either get hard or you have to get out. (Not that this is a good thing when it comes to one’s personal life.) But I agree with Dunka in that our responses need to be carefully targeted.
"I’ve established a reputation for integrity. I have maintained those high standards" - Craig James
PSU will pay out huge settlement
PSU is going to be hugely negatively affected by this. The settlements that are payed to the raped boys is going to add up to probably over a $100 million. I’m not sure that PSU wil survive that.
I am sure PSU has the money. I wonder if they have sovereign immunity.
Simple rule of thumb: Everything before the but is BS.
by FriscoRaider on Nov 10, 2011 7:42 AM CST up reply actions
They need to clean house .....
The Football Program, the Administration, their Legal Dept, their Campus Police
IMO …. the football program is going to hurt for years to come… what recruit and what HS player is going to want to play for them??
NUTS - Never Underestimate TEAM Strength
how 'bout all revenue from the football program going straight to all the victims...
"Fill it up again". "It's so good! Once it hits your lips it's so good!" -Frank the Tank
I've never met tubs...
But I think he is honorable. I know the 5 coaches I’ve met are good men.
This is a 3 ring circus up in here......
by oldschoolraider on Nov 9, 2011 11:37 PM CST reply actions
Totally agree.
No bullfights. No gambling. No donkeys. No vanilla extracts. No piñatas. None of that stuff. Straight football. No switchblades.
by San Antonio Red Raider on Nov 9, 2011 11:40 PM CST up reply actions
Back that up
"I feel sorry for the guys," Tech head coach Tommy Tuberville said. "They fought hard tonight. We didn't look good on offense or defense at times, and at times we looked pretty good. It's just, I don't know. Weird game.
I've never heard Tuberville say "Fuck"
but I know people that have heard it, so does that still count?
No bullfights. No gambling. No donkeys. No vanilla extracts. No piñatas. None of that stuff. Straight football. No switchblades.
by San Antonio Red Raider on Nov 9, 2011 11:43 PM CST up reply actions
We have
The best spike story ever….Btech heard it if he remembers
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by oldschoolraider on Nov 9, 2011 11:46 PM CST up reply actions
I wanna hear!!
Be the kind of woman that when your feet hit the floor each morning the devil says, "oh crap, she's up".
I will find a way
To do it justice and get it to you and SARR…it happened in 89 to a buddy that bleeds tech football. It’s our favorite 20+ years later.
This is a 3 ring circus up in here......
by oldschoolraider on Nov 9, 2011 11:52 PM CST up reply actions
And
Isnt bad for spike…just funny
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by oldschoolraider on Nov 9, 2011 11:53 PM CST up reply actions
you have my email address
No bullfights. No gambling. No donkeys. No vanilla extracts. No piñatas. None of that stuff. Straight football. No switchblades.
by San Antonio Red Raider on Nov 9, 2011 11:53 PM CST up reply actions
This is a 3 ring circus up in here......
by oldschoolraider on Nov 9, 2011 11:54 PM CST up reply actions
yes, that's it.
No bullfights. No gambling. No donkeys. No vanilla extracts. No piñatas. None of that stuff. Straight football. No switchblades.
by San Antonio Red Raider on Nov 9, 2011 11:55 PM CST up reply actions
Ha, ha!
mine is dfarmer@austin.rr.com
Be the kind of woman that when your feet hit the floor each morning the devil says, "oh crap, she's up".
I'll tell it because it's late:
Tubs is lost in San Antonio, on his way to a luncheon, and he’s wandering the halls of the Alamo Dome, and he comes across some high school coaches and says “Do you guys know where the fuckin’ exit is? I can’t find the fuckin’ exit in this mother fucker, How do I get the fuck outta here?”
TT August, 2010
Makes me love him.
No bullfights. No gambling. No donkeys. No vanilla extracts. No piñatas. None of that stuff. Straight football. No switchblades.
by San Antonio Red Raider on Nov 9, 2011 11:50 PM CST up reply actions
No way!
Be the kind of woman that when your feet hit the floor each morning the devil says, "oh crap, she's up".
Yes- and he cussed out Brown on the way
The story makes it hard for me not to like him…
No bullfights. No gambling. No donkeys. No vanilla extracts. No piñatas. None of that stuff. Straight football. No switchblades.
by San Antonio Red Raider on Nov 9, 2011 11:54 PM CST up reply actions
He should
Let his freak flag fly
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by oldschoolraider on Nov 10, 2011 12:00 AM CST up reply actions
I'm a big believer
in letting your freak flag fly. Seriously, why are so many people so wed to “buttoned-up” “normal” (by society’s standards) behavior?
I find that very boring.
Be the kind of woman that when your feet hit the floor each morning the devil says, "oh crap, she's up".
that is why I love Ron Washington so much more after his 7th game of the World Series pregame speech...
"Fill it up again". "It's so good! Once it hits your lips it's so good!" -Frank the Tank
Yessir...
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by oldschoolraider on Nov 10, 2011 12:21 AM CST up reply actions
Well that gains him some points in my book
I’ve always thought he was so vanilla.
Be the kind of woman that when your feet hit the floor each morning the devil says, "oh crap, she's up".
If I was a parent of one of those boys
it would take every ounce of self control & probably restraints to hold me back right now.
And the rage I would feel at the Sandusky, of course. But those who covered up & allowed it to continue??? Jail would be worth it if it wouldn’t take me away from my son.
And this is coming from someone without kids, I just imagine if it was one of my nieces or nephews…so come to think of it…jail might be worth it.
Be the kind of woman that when your feet hit the floor each morning the devil says, "oh crap, she's up".
Psu students throwing rocks at police
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by oldschoolraider on Nov 9, 2011 11:50 PM CST reply actions
OMG-what is wrong with these kids? Seriously. Can someone tell me?
Be the kind of woman that when your feet hit the floor each morning the devil says, "oh crap, she's up".
what are you watching
"I feel sorry for the guys," Tech head coach Tommy Tuberville said. "They fought hard tonight. We didn't look good on offense or defense at times, and at times we looked pretty good. It's just, I don't know. Weird game.
OSR's DTN posts
Be the kind of woman that when your feet hit the floor each morning the devil says, "oh crap, she's up".
I am so glad he does not have commercials
"I feel sorry for the guys," Tech head coach Tommy Tuberville said. "They fought hard tonight. We didn't look good on offense or defense at times, and at times we looked pretty good. It's just, I don't know. Weird game.
Yes, the commentary is good as well.
Be the kind of woman that when your feet hit the floor each morning the devil says, "oh crap, she's up".
Society
Have you seen what’s going on in New York, etc?
I know we’re not allowed to talk politics, but damn. I’m a banker and I’m worried when I walk out the door in the morning.
No bullfights. No gambling. No donkeys. No vanilla extracts. No piñatas. None of that stuff. Straight football. No switchblades.
by San Antonio Red Raider on Nov 9, 2011 11:53 PM CST up reply actions
Okay, I'm sorry SARR but that made me laugh out loud
I would never have pegged you as a banker!!
Be the kind of woman that when your feet hit the floor each morning the devil says, "oh crap, she's up".
How do you think he can do all those graphs and charts
"I feel sorry for the guys," Tech head coach Tommy Tuberville said. "They fought hard tonight. We didn't look good on offense or defense at times, and at times we looked pretty good. It's just, I don't know. Weird game.
I know right? SARR wears a suit, everyday.
And SARR is just trying to make a living- in case any of you Occupy Ass Holes are lurking.
Sorry Seth.
No bullfights. No gambling. No donkeys. No vanilla extracts. No piñatas. None of that stuff. Straight football. No switchblades.
by San Antonio Red Raider on Nov 9, 2011 11:56 PM CST up reply actions
You need
To do the linked in thing…
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by oldschoolraider on Nov 9, 2011 11:59 PM CST up reply actions
I've done it in the past, not a big fan
Be the kind of woman that when your feet hit the floor each morning the devil says, "oh crap, she's up".
I don't
Do fb….so it works for me. I really don’t like hearing about the appletinis at applebees.
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by oldschoolraider on Nov 10, 2011 12:04 AM CST up reply actions
Except when
Its Btech and SARR
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by oldschoolraider on Nov 10, 2011 12:06 AM CST up reply actions
I love FB
it’s a good way to keep up with friends you wouldn’t otherwise. Plus you can block the posts from friends that post about the appletinis
Be the kind of woman that when your feet hit the floor each morning the devil says, "oh crap, she's up".
I like appletininis
Especially when my wife drinks them wink, wink.
American farmers feed & clothe the world!
Ha!
But it makes me sad for you that you have to get your WIFE drunk for, you know, wink, wink!!
Be the kind of woman that when your feet hit the floor each morning the devil says, "oh crap, she's up".
Yes- especially after seeing the price of cotton...
Call me…
No bullfights. No gambling. No donkeys. No vanilla extracts. No piñatas. None of that stuff. Straight football. No switchblades.
by San Antonio Red Raider on Nov 9, 2011 11:59 PM CST up reply actions
Pot growers
Are switching to cotton?
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by oldschoolraider on Nov 10, 2011 12:01 AM CST up reply actions
yes. And they are also switching to the Italian Bond Yield.
If you can do it before 7am, get on it.
No bullfights. No gambling. No donkeys. No vanilla extracts. No piñatas. None of that stuff. Straight football. No switchblades.
by San Antonio Red Raider on Nov 10, 2011 12:03 AM CST up reply actions
If the price gets to high
we can over produce anything just stand back and watch.
American farmers feed & clothe the world!
Just joking
Been with the same guy since 91. If he quits I’m quitting. I would hate to break in a new banker.
American farmers feed & clothe the world!
Is that
A euphemism?
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by oldschoolraider on Nov 10, 2011 12:03 AM CST up reply actions
Breaking in a new banker
Sounds funny..
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by oldschoolraider on Nov 10, 2011 12:05 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
It's time.
I’m your new banker. Call me tomorrow. I’ll be in the office by 11.
No bullfights. No gambling. No donkeys. No vanilla extracts. No piñatas. None of that stuff. Straight football. No switchblades.
by San Antonio Red Raider on Nov 10, 2011 12:04 AM CST up reply actions
Do you take Pesos
"I feel sorry for the guys," Tech head coach Tommy Tuberville said. "They fought hard tonight. We didn't look good on offense or defense at times, and at times we looked pretty good. It's just, I don't know. Weird game.
Yes. Pesos from a famous wings restaurant. I'm all in.
No bullfights. No gambling. No donkeys. No vanilla extracts. No piñatas. None of that stuff. Straight football. No switchblades.
by San Antonio Red Raider on Nov 10, 2011 12:10 AM CST up reply actions
Looks like they are coming in November 25.
"I feel sorry for the guys," Tech head coach Tommy Tuberville said. "They fought hard tonight. We didn't look good on offense or defense at times, and at times we looked pretty good. It's just, I don't know. Weird game.
So seriously, I owe you a lunch :)
No bullfights. No gambling. No donkeys. No vanilla extracts. No piñatas. None of that stuff. Straight football. No switchblades.
by San Antonio Red Raider on Nov 10, 2011 12:12 AM CST up reply actions
And a Beer
"I feel sorry for the guys," Tech head coach Tommy Tuberville said. "They fought hard tonight. We didn't look good on offense or defense at times, and at times we looked pretty good. It's just, I don't know. Weird game.
Yesh
No bullfights. No gambling. No donkeys. No vanilla extracts. No piñatas. None of that stuff. Straight football. No switchblades.
by San Antonio Red Raider on Nov 10, 2011 12:13 AM CST up reply actions
We
Should roadtrip to midland for lunch with bb and kw
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by oldschoolraider on Nov 10, 2011 12:23 AM CST up reply actions
blackbeard is gone
I don’t think he’s comin’ back.
Seriously.
No bullfights. No gambling. No donkeys. No vanilla extracts. No piñatas. None of that stuff. Straight football. No switchblades.
by San Antonio Red Raider on Nov 10, 2011 12:30 AM CST up reply actions
tongue in cheek...I think
"Fill it up again". "It's so good! Once it hits your lips it's so good!" -Frank the Tank
Really?
But why???
He has to know people love him here? He’s so funny!
Be the kind of woman that when your feet hit the floor each morning the devil says, "oh crap, she's up".
Ouch, need to turn in, off to Houston early.
"I feel sorry for the guys," Tech head coach Tommy Tuberville said. "They fought hard tonight. We didn't look good on offense or defense at times, and at times we looked pretty good. It's just, I don't know. Weird game.
Good night to all
Wish we could wake up in the morning and this Penn State thing was just a bad dream!
American farmers feed & clothe the world!
Gnight
John boy….
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by oldschoolraider on Nov 10, 2011 12:27 AM CST up reply actions
Glad to see that some justice has been served
This firing should have happened a long time ago IMO. This is the type of crime that needs immediate attention. It’s not like the DC coach stole a candy bar or cheated on his taxes. Makes me sick thinking of all these kids that were victimized. I would have thought Paterno was a better man than to look away. Sad day for all involved no doubt.
"You've got to find your inner pirate" - Mike Leach
ummm... oh shit...
nathanielkraft Nathaniel Kraft
Mark Madden just said on WEEI that reports coming that #Sandusky and Second Mile pimped out young boys to rich donors. #sick
JD’s like, "you want some f*&#ing pitching? Here’s all the pitching you can stand. Now choke on it, b*#&hes!"- RCCook
LSB: "Oh s#*t, JD. You crazy!"
I will say now that I have always believe that our world loves their dogs and pets mor than a human child. Vick for example goes to prison but child abusers roam free.
by techsj on Nov 10, 2011 8:35 AM CST via mobile reply actions
PER: laxtono ... http://audio.weei.com/a/48513214/mark-madden-talks-about-the-penn-state-scandal-and-drops-a-new-bomb-about-jerry-sandusky.htm
A MUST LISTEN TO !!!! NAMBLA would be sooooo proud! Procreation at work at Penn State.
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by FriscoRaider on Nov 10, 2011 9:41 AM CST up reply actions
Sorry ... I've spent three times on Dell warranties than this 5 yr. old pc was ever worth.
Some things I just can’t understand … why they don’t work for me. Thank ya’ll for following up and helping out … It means the world to me.
I'm going to catch a ton of flack over this one.
But I don’t necessarily agree with all of the crap being said about Paterno here, or anywhere else for that matter. I realize that it’s a terrible, gut wrenching situation and people are going to overreact on these kinds of things. I even understand Penn St. firing him during it, but only because it helps them look better to the public that are calling for his head, and to cover their a$$ if something else were to come up to incriminate him. If I’m Penn St, I’m firing them all. But let me explain why I don’t understand why we are calling Paterno vile and evil.
From the small amount of research I’ve done, it seems that the only time Paterno had any idea was when the graduate assistant came to tell him, and he passed it on to his superiors and left it alone. Where did he go wrong? Before you say he didn’t go to the police, let me explain:
He didn’t see this happen. How do we know what he said to this assistant? I would hope, and possibly incorrectly assume, that he told the assistant to tell law enforcement and went on to tell his superiors that someone had made a claim. I can’t say that I would have handled this any differently. If I had been working with someone for years and thought I knew them well and a temp came up to me saying something like that, I would hesitate to believe it because I don’t know the temp, but I feel like I know my coworker. However, I would understand the severity of the situation and tell them if they really saw it that they should report it to police, then notify my superior that this had happened so they could be ready for it.
Why would Paterno go to police when he’s not the one that witnessed it? KWash, if some new kid at work came to you and said they thought Damien was molesting children, what would you do? Would you personally go to the police right away and accuse the man you’ve known forever of being a child molestor simply because this new guy says so? I doubt it. What I want to know is why in the hell the janitor that saw it years ago never said anything. How do you just let that slide? If you’re the grad assistant how do you not immediately call the police? These are the things I don’t understand.
Now if more of this story comes out and its revealed that JoePa told the kid not to go to police, or if it comes out that JoePa knew about what Standusky was doing before that and never reported it I will change my tune.
I don't think Paterno is vile or evil
I do know he did not do enough to stop what was going on, so his lack of action is vile. He is not the only one, from McQuery on up to the President. If you have not done so, read the Grand Jury report. It certainly shed new light for me.
Joe Paterno held a respected position at Penn State. As many have said, he was Penn State, bigger than Penn State. His responsibility, holding the position he did, is to make sure he did everything in his power to stop this from ever happening again on his watch. Whatever that took, and he did not do that. And to answer your question about going to the police, ABSOLUTELY! Without one second of hesitation.
Jerry Sandusky, on the other hand, is the epitome of vile and evil.
by MatadorProud on Nov 10, 2011 10:08 AM CST up reply actions
get your tuning fork ready...
This didn’t happen a few weeks ago, RdrPwr. This whole sad and heartbreaking situation has been ‘covered up’ for a DECADE AND A HALF. Last I checked, “JoPa”, as people call him, was the HC throughout this whole thing…That is the problem I have with this whole thing. Paterno should have retired years ago. The poor guy was not sharp enough to handle the postion of HC at a major D-1 universtiy. He was a freaking school mascot, fund raiser and recruiter. He could not tell you what a ‘spread’ was if you spotted him the x and the o. In addition, his arrogance is being exposed as well. They tried to fire him some years ago. He said “I’ll retire when I’m ready”…It is clear who was runnin’ that show.
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Wow RdrPwr
I don’t even know where to start here.
Okay, first of all it is society’s responsibility to protect our children. Period. End of story. I don’t care if I got a report that one of my best friends at work was molesting someone I would report it & follow through with it; not just say, “okay, well I ticked the box & this guy is my buddy, don’t really know the grad student so case closed”. Who is protecting the child?!
Why is the child there in the first place? But that is separate issue.
The grad student was so shook up – wouldn’t you be??? He went to his dad and asked what to do. His dad said report it to the powers that be at Penn State. He did. I can’t put it on his shoulders for not taking it further. He was young, shook up & did report it the the Penn State authorities. He had no idea they would sit on the information. For all he knew Penn State did report it to police. Would you know what to do as a student in this situation? Especially once you reported it to Paterno???
We can all sit here now & say “I would have pulled that mother effer off that kid & kicked his butt before the police got there” but the truth is you don’t know how you will react in a horrifying situation until you are in one.
It always comes down to this – PROTECT THE CHILD. I guarantee you that kid’s life, along with the others is messed up. Hopefully their parent’s got them some good help. But don’t ever excuse an ADULT, especially one in a position of authority for not acting on an allegation of RAPING A CHILD.
You said it yourself, “…and it’s revealed that JoePa told the kid not to go to police…” KID. How can you possibly put more responsibility on the KID – the graduate assistant – than the effing head coach of the program???
You gave Kwash the scenario with Damien, which I seriously doubt you’ll get a positive reply since I believe both have children, but what if it was one of your close friend’s children that was the alleged victim in this case, would you still be so quick to defend the cover up? What if the adults with responsibility were not “famous” would you still be so quick to defend?
Please think about these things. You know I think you’re a good guy & like you but you are way off on this one.
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I am in no way defending the cover up.
I just don’t really see anything that shows me that Paterno really held a part in it. His superiors lied in court about CPS being notified and involved, how are we to know that they weren’t lying to Paterno as well?
As far as defending the witness for not reporting it to police…. I disagree with you completely. It was a GRADUATE assistant, which puts him at least 21 or 22 years old. I dont care how horrifying something like that is to you, you go to police. You witnessed it, you tell it. To me, more than anyone, the cover up is the fault of this assistant who witnessed it for not going to police, and Curley.
The only thing I see Paterno being guilty of here is being too naive to see what was happening, but at his age is that really such a surprise? I have no problem with him being fired, and I have no problem questioning whether or not he knew about it. But to call him vile, evil, and disgusting based soley on what bits of information are out there right now is overreacting due to the terrible nature of the situation.
The grad assistant was 28.
The grad assistant should have called CPS as should have Paterno.
had to make a call for a client that I had reason to believe was being abused. I called adult protective services and told them what I knew. The call is anonymous. I didn’t witness the abuse, but had strong reason to suspect that the abuse was happening. I also called the district attorneys office to ask how I should proceed and they also said to call APS. The grad assist should have made a call as should have Paterno.
This is not a situation where a child was spanked, this was a situation where a child was being raped in the shower.
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by Seth C on Nov 10, 2011 10:41 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Which is why police should have been called immediately.
by RdrPwr on Nov 10, 2011 10:48 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
And they weren’t. Grad assistant and Paterno didn’t contact CPS or the authorities. That’s the problem. Also, I’m thinking that if I’m 28 years old and I see a man raping a child, I’m not going to go ask my dad for some direction as to how to handle the situation.
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by Seth C on Nov 10, 2011 10:54 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Exactly.
If I’m Paterno its more of a “Why the hell are you talking to me about it? Go to the police.” type deal and then tell the higher ups what was happening.
But that’s not what Paterno told McQuery, he told him that he would report up the ladder and they would take care of it
Nine years later you think that Paterno and McQuery ever followed up. No they didn’t.
Paterno and the President of the Penn State are gone. McQuery should be let go too.
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But Paterno has a duty too. In Texas, he would be required to do so and informing a “higher-up” wouldn’t have absolved him:
https://www.oag.state.tx.us/victims/childabuse.shtml
Your legal obligation
Current law requires that professionals such as teachers, doctors, nurses, or child daycare workers must make a verbal report within 48 hours. Failure to report suspected child abuse or neglect is a misdemeanor punishable by imprisonment of up to 180 days and/or a fine of up to $2,000 (Texas Family Code, Chapter 261).
Reporting suspected child abuse to your principal, school counselor or superintendent will NOT satisfy your obligation under this law. Local school district policy cannot conflict with or supercede the state law requiring you to report child abuse to a law enforcement agency or DFPS.
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I'm thining I read somewhere that the law there stated that the school president was responsible for reporting.
But I’m not sure.
Nope. He had to report it as well:
Professionals who come into contact with children are required to report when they have reasonable cause to suspect that a child under the care, supervision, guidance or training of that person or of their agency, institution or organization is an abused child. In addition, any person may report suspected abuse, even if the individual wishes to remain anonymous.
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"that a child under the care, supervision, guidance or training of that person or of their agency, institution or organization is an abused child"
I hate to try to interpret laws, especially with an attorney…. but why would this apply? The children involved arent under the care of Paterno or Penn St.
I guess I just don’t get it. He may not have come in direct contact with the child or wasn’t under his care, but if you don’t think that he had a duty to call once he heard that a child was being raped in the shower of his locker room, then I don’t know what to tell you.
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by Seth C on Nov 10, 2011 11:36 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
No, I agree that he should have.
However, that is with knowing all of the facts that happened. Ignoring all stories other than the McQuery incident, I can see how Paterno probably thought he was handling it right. Keep in mind that this is a coworker he’s known for a long time, he’s going to want to believe his story. And if his bosses told him that it was being handled…. I don’t think it too crazy to think that he thought it truly was being handled. I cant wait for these court dispositions to be public so we can know what he was actually thinking.
I can see that...but here's a dynamic I didn't realize until a radio interview yesterday
McQuerry grew up with Sandusky in State College. He was a classmate of Sandusky’s adopted daughter, and was a family friend and had been mentored by Sandusky pretty much his entire life. I can really see how McQuerry, when he saw it in the act, froze and didn’t physically step in. This was a man he respected (feared?) and had known since he could walk. Calling his dad may seem silly, but it makes a small bit of sense. Turning him in had to be difficult given the relationship history.
Yes, but this does not let Paterno off the hook
The first time Sandusky was “caught” was in 1998. It was 2002 that the grad asst found him in the shower. FOUR YEARS Paterno could have and should have done something.
Hard to tell if it’s 3 or 4 reported victims during that four year period. How would you feel if one of those boys was someone you cared about? Would you be defending Paterno?
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Under the rug
Yes the police should have been called or at minimum the CPS but they weren’t.
Whether McQuery was mentally in shock and couldn’t do it because of that or if was aware of how powerful the "Penn State and Paterno" program was and did not want to step on toes, we will never know.
Why the janitors in the other cases did not call the police or CPS is also a mystery.
I think that Penn State treated it like the Catholic Church did and swept it under the rug.
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1. The graduate assistant was 28, I looked it up after posting. I’m torn on this one. When your bosses tell you it has been handled, I can see him thinking it has been handled appropriately But at the same time I get that a 28 year old should have called the police.
2. Naive doesn’t get it here. He knew it was going on and did nothing to stop it. There are boys out there who’s lives will never be the same, who will be traumatized at varying degrees for the rest of their lives because Paterno did nothing when he could have & should have prevented it. There is no excuse for this period.
3. Why are you or anyone so quick to give Paterno the benefit of the doubt? If it was a random 84 year old man – maybe an executive at some company – would you be so quick to jump to his defense for knowingly allowing this to continue when he could have saved children from experiencing this atrocity?
PROTECT THE CHILD FIRST LAST AND ALWAYS. WHY IS THAT SO HARD?
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by Austin, Tx on Nov 10, 2011 10:45 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
1. You say “When your bosses tell you it has been handled, I can see him thinking it has been handled appropriately”, how could that exact same statement not apply to Paterno?
2. He did so something, he told his superiors. Now if he was naive enough to believe they were truly handling it or not is another question entirely. If he knew nothing was being done, then by all means, hang him high! But…. we don’t know that he did.
3. I’m not giving him benefit of the doubt, I’m just witholding judgement until the doubt is gone. Why attack his morals and character without actually knowing what he knew?
First of all, let me say I was confused on one issue
grad asst = 28 years old = McQuerry = still coaching at Penn State
So, in this case take #1 of the table. No excuses.
2. See other post about timeline of events. Didn’t know???
3. You’ve said a lot today about this – lots of long impassioned posts in defense of not judging Paterno too harshly or quickly – this is pretty much all I’ve read in your posts about the victims, “…we want heads to roll because children were hurt in a terrible, disgusting way.”
Think your focus is in the right place?
Be the kind of woman that when your feet hit the floor each morning the devil says, "oh crap, she's up".
Ok..
2. Looking at the timeline, we only find one incident that we know he was informed of. He passed it on to his superiors. If they were telling him they were investigating and nothing was ever found, and the assistant never reported to police…. is it hard to believe that he was convinced that the assistant was mistaken? We may never know.
3. I’m sorry I say stuff about this, but to me its media and people just piling on. I feel terrible for the children, and feel that the perp should be hung high in a public arena. I also feel that those directly responsible for the cover up should be hung high as well. I just don’t see how we “know” that Paterno was a part of this.
Paterno's words...
“in hindsight, I should have done more”.
by MatadorProud on Nov 10, 2011 11:33 AM CST up reply actions
Well no crap
Anyone with any sort of moral decency that was anywhere near it would wish they had done more to stop it. Hindsight’s 20/20
But it also implies more could have been done
and more should have been done. That’s the crux of why he was fired. Not that he violated a law, but that he failed from a moral standpoint and the result was lives forever changed.
My issue is not with him being fired.
All involved should be fired, not only for it not being reported but also as damage control for the university.
My issue is with all condemning Paterno and claiming that he is a vile, evil person.
I don't believe most think he is vile and evil,
I think it is more disappointment and shock that someone who has been held in such high regard would not do more.
by MatadorProud on Nov 10, 2011 11:56 AM CST up reply actions
I'll rephrase then
I personally don’t think he is vile and evil. While I am disgusted by the whole situation and his actions, I think Paterno loves Penn State and I think that clouded his judgement on this.
by MatadorProud on Nov 10, 2011 12:00 PM CST up reply actions
Quite possibly.
I feel that he did make a mistake, but given the information we’re given its not to hard to believe that it was an easy mistake to make and that many others would have made the same one. It’s very easy to judge in hindsight.
I agree with you
many others would have done the same thing. I know this whole mess really has nothing to do with college football and is way beyond that but in the same sense, I feel like that was the very thing Paterno was trying to protect. Unfortunately, I do think many others in the same position would have done the same thing.
by MatadorProud on Nov 10, 2011 12:10 PM CST up reply actions
You agree? Really?
I should have been a criminal defense attorney…. but then I’d be stuck defending people like Standusky and I would be incapable of doing that. I’ll stick to my numbers haha.
I know
I agree with you. I surprised myself when I typed that!
by MatadorProud on Nov 10, 2011 12:16 PM CST up reply actions
and you might consider
defense law, you would be quite entertaining for the jurors, I’m sure!
by MatadorProud on Nov 10, 2011 12:17 PM CST up reply actions
I do
Be the kind of woman that when your feet hit the floor each morning the devil says, "oh crap, she's up".
I'm sorry, I misread you earlier
I agree…he’s not an evil or vile man. He made a monumental error, no doubt. But the only evil here was perpetuated by Sandusky. The rest were wildly irresponsible, negligent and in a secondary way culpable. But not evil or vile. I’m sad for him, to be honest. This will very likely kill him, no snarkiness implied.
Really?
What if it was your child who was raped by Sandusky AFTER Paterno knew & did nothing??? Would you still think he wasn’t vile and/or evil? Those are harsh words, I know, but that is what I think.
Be the kind of woman that when your feet hit the floor each morning the devil says, "oh crap, she's up".
See 1998
Be the kind of woman that when your feet hit the floor each morning the devil says, "oh crap, she's up".
I have
and I haven’t seen any factual evidence showing that Paterno was indeed aware of it. Yes, he may and should have, but we don’t know this.
By who?
I’d say we saw a conviction of morality last night. Not saying which is right but I do think the message last night was we won’t accept only doing what’s “legal” in these situations by our leaders. I think it’s the only rational message to send at this point. Regardless of how great of a guy he is.
No no no I agree
I’m just saying that with him not being convicted it leaves open the possibility that Paterno didn’t know about it.
I think in the end Paterno does see some legal repercussions
We just have to wait and see. I bet there’s a long list of folks in that camp that haven’t been identified yet as well.
Maybe, if light is shed on some new things.
I feel that with what we know right now, he has not broken a law.
I'm of the opinion that allowing Sandusky to "retire" at age 55
After being named assistant coach of the year and being heir apparent to the throne is not tough to ridicule. This isn’t that hard to see through. It’s all right there for us to comprehend. He didn’t retire for health reasons and he was able to stay there at PSU and attend meetings as if he were a coach. What possible explanation could there be for that other than the obvious?
He said himself
he should have done more
Be the kind of woman that when your feet hit the floor each morning the devil says, "oh crap, she's up".
Then every coach that worked with Standusky,
every player that played under him, and every person that worked around him in the foundation should have done something too.
the reason I posted that, had Paterno had no knowledge of what was going on, why would he say that?
by MatadorProud on Nov 10, 2011 11:40 AM CST up reply actions
Even if he had no knowledge whatsoever and was just around Sandusky
I would hope that he would wish he had done something. If I was a Penn St player I would wish that I had questioned things more and done something.
Bottom line - it comes down to moral decency
If you read all the posts on this thread you’ll see that I have personal experience with this issue.
If I saw people giving the benefit of the doubt to someone in a position of authority who may have been able to protect me I guarantee you it would further damage me.
So honestly, I don’t give a rip whether he’s senile, if he didn’t “know, know”, if he only thought it was fondling, if he chose not to see what was going on because it was his buddy, if he turned a blind eye because he reported it to his higher ups. IT DOESN’T MATTER.
Any defense of an adult in a position to protect these children does not deserve the benefit of the doubt. It minimizes the victims.
The public outcry he is receiving now I guarantee you is adding to the suffering of the victims.
I have no doubt that is not your intention. But please keep them at the forefront of your mind.
Be the kind of woman that when your feet hit the floor each morning the devil says, "oh crap, she's up".
Regardless of our thoughts of how responsible Paterno is...
Can we agree that the media putting him in the spotlight of all of this can’t be good for the victims either? Instead of focusing on what someone else did or did not do, why cant we all focus on the piece of shit who did it? I think this is what irritates me the most about the situation. Paterno is catching more shit than the evil person who actually comitted the crimes.
Sandusky will get his through the legal system
the issue with Paterno is whether he could have prevented some of the boys from being raped. Some believe he could have, some say they don’t know yet.
Paterno himself says he should have done more. Of course he’s going to be in the media.
So, no, we cannot agree on this. You have no idea what this does to someone.
Be the kind of woman that when your feet hit the floor each morning the devil says, "oh crap, she's up".
I think the media should have done more.
Simple rule of thumb: Everything before the but is BS.
by FriscoRaider on Nov 10, 2011 2:14 PM CST up reply actions
Ok... Then why hardly any talk in media of how the Assistant never reported to the police?
Or, more importantly, the janitor years before that?
Because the janitor is not a "celebrity" & he was not in a position of authority
It in NO way excuses him. But I don’t think it takes a rocket scientist to figure out why Paterno is the focus of the media.
And you may want to consider a little sensitivity here.
Be the kind of woman that when your feet hit the floor each morning the devil says, "oh crap, she's up".
I'm sorry, I'm not trying to be unsensitive to your feelings.
We just disagree is all. It may be a first, but it was bound to happen sooner or later. It’s just too bad it was on something as bad as this.
I'm just going to get off this thread
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Because it was the second time a problem with sandusky and little boys had been reported, right?
Wasn’t there an incident in 1998 as well?
Matt: It makes you sick to see that this could happen to this level, if in fact it has happened, you know there is a part of me like I mentioned earlier, you just want to go take care of it yourself. Which is what I have always done and which is the wrong thing to do. But this is more than just a program.Tthis is more than a football legacy. This is about people. And if we can’t protect our kids, we as a society are pathetic. So, that is where I stand on it.
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Millen earned my respect over the past few days.
You can tell that this is killing him and that he is enraged. He was interviewed last night again via telephone and said pretty much the same thing.
He’s even on the board of Sandusky’s organization and Sandusky was his position coach…
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by San Antonio Red Raider on Nov 10, 2011 12:40 PM CST up reply actions
I agree...
it’s a terrible moral conundrum… but I agree… it’s not as black and white as it’s been made to seem
I see your points
But here’s where I see it differently. In 1998, Paterno knew that Sandusky was up to something bad. You don’t fire the guy before the 1999 season when he was named Assistant Coach of the Year in 1998. Any coincidence that he was also told, after years of assumptions by the people close to PSU, that Sandusky would not be the heir apparent? I don’t believe so.
Paterno, knowing that Sandusky was doing something sick, did not ask to have him barred from campus, did not do anything beyond relieve him of duties. And don’t for a second think that if he wanted, Paterno could not have the Pope banned from Happy Valley.
In 2002, when the rape was seen by McQuerry, he did do what he thought was right by moving it up the chain. He was lauded for this by the grand jury in the presentment. But did even knowing THAT prevent Sandusky from coming around? Nope. The school told him, “don’t bring kids around here anymore.” In essence, knowing his history, they said, “Go take that elsewhere.” Which means, we know what you’re doing, we don’t want to get in trouble with you coming around.
He was fired not for legal failings, but for what the BoT felt was a moral inaction. Even as Paterno said, “I wish I had done more.”
Do we know that Paterno knew about the 1998 thing?
From the Grand Jury reports I only see him being involved with it after the Assistant told him about the shower incident. If he truly knew, yes shame on him. But we don’t know that.
As far as McQuerry doing what he thought was right by moving it up the chain, why is Paterno not lauded for doing this as well? He did move it up the chain. The witness or the school president are the ones that I would think would be responsible for taking it to the police. Now if Paterno knew there were no investigations and nothing being done about it after passing it up, yes shame on him. But as I said earlier, his superiors lied to the Grand Jury about CPS investigating and what not. Is it really to far fetched to believe that they were lying to Paterno about this as well?
I guess to me it seems best to hold off on our judgement of Paterno’s moral ineptitude and character until more of the story comes to light. Right now all we have is speculation, and we want heads to roll because children were hurt in a terrible, disgusting way.
RdrPwr ... sweet RdrdPwr .....
If some one close to you came and told you he saw a 60 yr,. old man (having sex) with a 10 year old boy … The DC for 29 yrs. even … would you not follow up?? Especially, if this pervert was continunig to join and attend official football functions with young male children for 10 MORE years?? !!!!!! ????
If it was a colleague and someone I had known personally?
Probably not. Especially when the guy runs a charity for kids. Seeing him with kids wouldn’t alarm me. If this grad assistant was new I could probably believe or be convinced by my colleague that the grad student had seen something innocent out of context. I don’t know what the grad student told him. Their stories differ on that point.
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This Grad. Ass. wasn't 'new'.
AND his father was one of Sundansky’s ‘best friends’. This Grad. Ass. is WR coach today … was Penn State QB!
YES ... The Clinton County School District banned Sandusky from their campus ... notified their CPS ... law enforcement.
A full investigation and the DA involved … ended up assinated in 1995. his hard drive wiped clean. His body never found. But, back to the investigation … two detectives have Sandusky on tape with the victims mother …… you tell me why this wasn’t ended then and that Penn State and HC didn’t know about this?? Paterino forces him after …………………………… but that is ALL. Sandusky still attend all activities … games .. ceremonies … full use of the lockers etc. press bockers, suites, and sidelines?!!!!!!
Sorry .... 1998 case.
2002, Second Miile is informed … (he stays paid) … and has access to all the children. WHY?
What do you do when the police refuse to investigate or prosecute a guy with repeated accusations?
Sounds like the police chief should be fired and maybe the state’s justice department could use a cleaning. Assassinating a DA shouldn’t cause a case to be dropped. There seems to be a lot of corruption in that area. Not saying Paterno couldn’t have been part of it, but I haven’t seen anything that directly links him to some kind of Kingpin role.
Sandusky had never been found guilty of anything – you’re going to exile someone who had never been found guilty of doing anything wrong and in the public’s eyes, despite some black eyes, had a record as a charitable man and no convictions? I’m still having problems tying this directly to Paterno.
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Paterno had a duty to report if he had “reasonable cause” to believe that a child was being abused. That’s all you need to know. If he had called and tried to report it to the authorities, then I don’t think Paterno would be in this situation.
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agree... but what people have to understand is that...
when you work with kids, an accusation and investigation is a career ruiner. The investigation itself is tantamount to a conviction. Did Paterno feel like the evidence he had received was enough to single-handedly involve the authorities and ruin Sandusky for life? Evidently not. He had enough evidence to pass the issue up the chain of command, and that is all. In retrospect, he should have done more… but I don’t think it’s fair to judge him in hindsight. He did what he thought was right, and in retrospect it’s a tragedy that it wasn’t enough… for all who were involved.
When in doubt
put the welfare of the child first.
Be the kind of woman that when your feet hit the floor each morning the devil says, "oh crap, she's up".
you're absolutely right...
but I just think it’s an easy thing to say and a very hard thing to do. I can’t judge Paterno, because I don’t know how I would respond in similar circumstances.
Yes...he knew. The mother went to the offices, as I understand it, after
the in-home confrontation. The police were there DURING the confrontation with the parent and Sandusky listening from another room. The DA then had discussions with the administration and, one can safely assume, Paterno.
If what you're assuming about him knowing then yes, he screwed the pooch.
No argument on that. But it could easily be assumed that since he wasn’t truly coaching anyhow, that he wasnt in the offices. Also it could be assumed Paterno wasn’t included in the admin discussions because he wasn’t a part of the admin. All I’m saying is wait to hear the facts before you call someone evil.
Not calling him evil (responded to you above on that)
While he wasn’t coaching, yes, he had pretty much full access to any facility he wanted until 2002. And he was STILL bringing kids around in full view up until 2002.
Yes. But I really have trouble getting my head around the idea
that Paterno was in the dark about everything in 1998. I just really can’t make that reconcile. We’re talking about, literally, the most powerful person in the state of Pennsylvania. He knew, no way he didn’t. I know it’s not in any report, but really…he knew.
If that is correct then I'm with you.
But when you include his age and all of the reports that he was not mentally or physically able to actually coach anymore it leads one to believe that he could have actually been left out in the dark. Not saying that it’s so, but until there is proof otherwise it is also a possibility.
I did hear Mike and Mike this morning on the commute
(I think it was them) say something similar to that…essentially, what if Paterno, due to age, simply forgot details? Or didn’t truly understand the details McQueary was relaying to him? It IS a different generation he comes from where certain things are never spoken of. Not at all justifying because that’s dangerous and could be the reason we are having this discussion in the first place. But I can see his age being an issue TODAY…but not in 1998 or 2002. He wasn’t that old back then.
Yes, and that was the janitors excuse in the 2000 Penn State
Locker Room oral sex report … the janitor now has demencia.
I had the same thought, 92. I’m a generation younger than Paterno and for instance I never even heard the word ‘lesbian’ until I was in high school. I had no idea what it meant. It was not like it is today. I was a student at Tech before I ever even encountered the concept of male homosexual acts. This was a taboo subject in the 50s and 60’s, even within one’s own mind. Hell, any homosexual contact was against the law in Texas until the 80’s. How a younger person responds and how someone from what amounts to a completely different culture responds can’t be compared. Some concepts can be so repulsive that your mind can just shut down when it comes face to face with them.
"I’ve established a reputation for integrity. I have maintained those high standards" - Craig James
Paterno still knew Sandusky
had plenty of access to kids through his foundation.
Be the kind of woman that when your feet hit the floor each morning the devil says, "oh crap, she's up".
I will add my two cents
Why McQuery didn’t react and just call the police or CPS might have been that he was young and shook up, but I don’t let him off the hook. It has been 9 years and Sandusky was still bringing kids to Penn State and was in the PSU facilities as late as last week.
McQuery had to have known nothing was done. How he looks himself in the mirror is beyond me.
Paterno knew of at least the 2002 incident but probably knew more if you look at the incidents in 1998. He controlled Penn State and as stated he was “Penn State”. He protected the institution and not the children.
The Grand Jury started their investigation 3 years ago. The incidents did not just happen last week. There have been more than 12 years of incidents known to the authorities at Penn State. You don’t think over those 9 to 12 years that someone would have spoken up and did the right thing for those kids.
Paterno is “Penn State” he controlled everything he knew and did nothing.
Don’t tell me the BoT and the media are picking on the so called "Great Joe Paterno", because JoPa is and was a very powerful man.
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I was actually thinking along some of the same lines as RdrPwr last night. Mainly I was having a hard time understanding how a guy that was so level-headed and seemed to epitomize old-school morality could simply turn his back and allow more crimes to occur. It just does not compute.
Paterno was an old man even when this started. It has often been said he had no longer up to the job mentally and was more a figurehead than anything else. Is it possible he had some kind of schizophrenic psychosis when McCreary told him what he’d seen? To an old school guy like him this whole scenario must have seemed like an unbelievable nightmare. Is it possible his mind simply blanked this whole deal out? Denial is extremely powerful.
Not that this would be an excuse. I just can’t figure how a moral man could do what he did.
Part of the problem is not knowing for sure what he knew and when he knew it. But if Creary’s testimony is to be believed, Paterno knew the specifics of that one rape even if nothing else. (And it’s hard to believe all those incidents mentioned in the GJ report didn’t make their way back to him.)
No matter why, I guess he is no different than all those church officials who were aware of molestations and kept it quiet.
"I’ve established a reputation for integrity. I have maintained those high standards" - Craig James
good point about Paterno's age and possible denial...
but no excuse as you said…none whatesoever
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I agree with you RdrPwr.. this is one of those things where I think the media is just piling on to blood in the water.
And now we’re going as far as to say that Paterno was somehow personally responsible for everything that monster did over his entire career.
I look at this and I see shades of a magnified version of the Mike Leach Saga. Different scenario, but the way the media and others are handling it by piling on and making wild claims and accusations without knowing what Paterno and others really knew is disheartening.
Imagine what Tech campus would have been like if the students had been around when Leach was fired, and not on Christmas break. I’m not saying it would have been exactly the same, but you would have seen some reaction. I don’t blame the kids at all; they understand more about what Paterno did than a conflict and scandal-driven media looking for blood.
I wonder if you polled people about this today how many, by listening to the focus of the media, would mistakenly think Paterno had some direct involvement in Sandusky’s crimes. I’m guessing it would be a fairly high number.
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I guess I don’t understand how this is media driven. I’m trying to find the laws in Pennsylvania, but would you agree with this statement: “If Paterno had reasonable knowledge that a child was being raped and had a duty to inform CPS, but did not, then he should be held liable for failing to notify authorities, which could include his termination.”
And he did have a duty to inform in Pennsylvania:
http://www.dpw.state.pa.us/forchildren/childwelfareservices/calltoreportchildabuse!/index.htm
Professionals who come into contact with children are required to report when they have reasonable cause to suspect that a child under the care, supervision, guidance or training of that person or of their agency, institution or organization is an abused child. In addition, any person may report suspected abuse, even if the individual wishes to remain anonymous.
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"Professionals"
Doesn’t that term typically mean doctors and such? Professional coaches? I don’t know. Usually it means someone holding a professional license. I’d have to see the actual statute instead of a summary intended for the public. I’m guessing if it did include coaches, they would have indicted just about everyone.
‘May’ for sure, ‘shall’ I don’t know.
"I’ve established a reputation for integrity. I have maintained those high standards" - Craig James
Absolutely he had a duty to inform CPS or the authorities
After all the dust settles I think that will be one of the reasons he was fired with cause
Well, one, I think the story should be Sandusky. I’ll hear stories about “PSU child sex scandal”, then a lot of talk about Joe Paterno, and perhaps a mention of some other guy named Sandusky. That’s what I mean when I say that a lot of negative feelings towards Paterno are media-driven, when from what I’ve read Paterno is really a cameo appearance in this story that stretched back decades.
As to your point about the regulations in Pennsylvania, I would have to know what he was told.. I don’t think I have that. Otherwise the quote you give me falls into the “may” clause. Paterno may have had reasonable cause, but I’m not sure. Definitely the grad assistant and any other witnesses had a duty to report.
I agree with you that if he was told a child had been raped at the institution he had a duty to report that. I am not sure how this whole thing works if Paterno may have been aware or thought that it was already reported or if it was going to be reported by someone else in his chain of command. Surely they don’t now want every educator at the institution to file a new report about the incident as it climbs up the chain.
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I'd be fine with one person reporting it if I knew something was actually happening on the other end.
From what we’ve seen a lot of people said a lot of things about this guy over a number of years, but the wheels never really got spinning until fairly recently. I know Sandusky’s foundation kicked him out (hey, those guys should all be fired too, apparently). I wonder why nothing really happened to him until we got to this tsunami moment, despite all of these people who knew and many who had reported things to investigators.
Be a team. Be the most excited to play. Be the best at doing your @#&$ing job.
I said it in a post yesterday …. This was not a traffic violation or a DWI. This was the rape of a young boy (at least one incident).
I know that Paterno didn’t do the actual crime but he let the monster that did continue to use the Penn State facilities as late as last week.
Stop minimalizing the crime, the number of incidents, the number of years.
Paterno, McQuery, Curly, Schultz, etc ….. they knew and they stayed silent.
Don’t give me the technical legal aspects of they reported it up the ladder.
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YES, Austin. Last week's game ... Sandusky WAS in the press box WITH a child!!
Does anyone think Joe Paterno was not powerful enough … or not in control enough in 1998 … to NOT know what his DC was involved in since at least 1977??
NAMBLA was in control here. (MHO).
well, that's a show stopper...sheesh
"Fill it up again". "It's so good! Once it hits your lips it's so good!" -Frank the Tank
The lesson is ...??? ...
To these young males whose lives and sexuality has been raped from them by powerfull adults …??? … well, what’s it gonna be? Just bend over and enjoy it, cause the institution, elite academia, or $$$ed athletic programs – and all those involved careers – are way more important? So, just forget it and get over it?
This is happening at Penn State for God’s sake … it’s now or never … STOP THIS!
Personally, I'm pretty proud of DTN and the thoughtful opinions
that have been shared over this crime. Makes me feel good that my internet “friends” feel strongly enough to engage on this.
Makes me feel silly for losing so much sleep over our
failures as a team this year…we aren’t perfect, but I’m confident we aren’t covering up a crime (no, firing a coach under less than honorable conditions doesn’t equate to a crime…not like this, anyway).
I can’t imagine how I’d feel about my university if this sort of thing had happened in Lubbock. A small part of my identity is Texas Tech University. Losing that would be pretty tough to swallow. I have an acquaintance (not really a close friend) who responded to something I put on Facebook last night about this…he said he will feel weird telling people he’s a PSU grad if it ever comes up again in a conversation. He knows the first thing they will think is cover up, rape and hypocrisy.
by Tech92 on Nov 10, 2011 12:09 PM CST reply actions 2 recs
What horrifies me
almost as much as this story is how the story has been covered up since the beginning. Happy Valley a college town, dominated economically and demographically by the presence of the University Park campus of the Pennsylvania State University (Penn State).
Local media often has a somewhat incestuous relationship with economically dominant institutions and hesitates to report things that might put the institution in a bad light. I think likely local police can be effected by this dominance. Eventually this story got too large to be controlled by the University. Many universities like TTU are in similar positions of power in their local communities and have undue influence over what gets out to the public and that really concerns me.
Simple rule of thumb: Everything before the but is BS.
That's a good point
I think, unfortunately, that any college town and the local media face the same conundrum. It’s something where you just have to trust the leaders to do the right thing. Easier said than done.
Exactly, especially with leaders that have demonstrated that they are not trustworthy.
Simple rule of thumb: Everything before the but is BS.
by FriscoRaider on Nov 10, 2011 12:35 PM CST up reply actions
Y e s ......... the blogs say there have been consitant 'rumors' of Sandusky and 'his' kids for years,
on PS’s campus.
I'm not saying this isnt true, I'm really not.
But if this was taken for granted then people could read DTN and believe that Craig James killed 5 hookers.
Please stop. Both of you. I don’t want any comparisons between this and what happened Craig James. It’s not funny.
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My bad. I wasn't trying to compare it.
I was just trying to say don’t necessarily believe everything you read on a blog.
I get it. Craig James has nothing to do with this conversation and I don’t want that firestorm to be even remotely discussed on this topic.
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Let's throw another log on the fire
I worked with a guy 25 years ago who was convicted of child molestation. Nicest guy you would ever meet. He was kind, considerate, personable. Yet there was something a bit odd about him and not in a goofy way, but something about him didn’t square way. His arrest and conviction completed the rest of the story.
My point, human beings are capable of living two separate lives and have the ability to stay ahead of the game, sometimes for decades, without those surrounding them being able to pinpoint exactly what is going on. (This happens to wives all the time) The more heinous the crime, the craftier the perps are in hiding the crime.
It wouldn’t surprise me in the least that Sandusky has been at this for decades and created his Foundation as an offering to the community to make up for his depravity (kind of a guilt offering because deep down he knows what he is doing to those boys is heinous and he needs to make up for it.)to buy a ton of goodwill, and years of free passes. Men with sick minds think this way. I have seen it before. He could also conveniently used it as a cover for his increased appetite for young boys and a natural pipeline for new boys. (Now he is not that creepy guy trolling the parks looking for vulnerable boys) As long as he keeps his cover, even though there are whispers and rumors, no one can piece everything together, but everyone thinks there is something odd about the guy.
I doubt Paterno would have knowledge about the confession recorded by police. The GA may not be as forthright as he should, neither were others who witnessed or heard first hand what was going on over the years. I doubt the school district who banned him from their campuses called the athletic department or his foundation and told them that he was banned.
But now that all has come to light, the pieces all fall in place in everyone feels like fools. Imagine the folks at the school district thinking, man we could have done more. Imagine the poor mom who Sandusky made a round about confession to thinking I should have brought this out of the dark and into the light. Think of the GA who if he had to do it all over again may have done it differently. Think of the administrators who were complicit and enabled Sandusky by lying to prosecutors. I would imagine everyone, with the benefit of knowing all the pieces of the puzzle, would have made different decision. Sandusky was a calculating mastermind who was able to just keep a head of the pack.
Please understand that I am just throwing out a scenario that should be considered within the realm of possibility. Hence, it is possible for Paterno to say something like “in hindsight, I wish that I would have done more” like he did in his press conference.
by Arizona Raider on Nov 10, 2011 12:20 PM CST reply actions
I think this is a good point, as well
It’s like a woman who discovers through some random twist of fate that her husband (or vice versa) has been carrying on affairs for the last 20 years of their marriage. Everyone else was probably suspicious or heard rumors. But the one closest to the situation was blind to it. None of these things happen in a vacuum, but sometimes we can’t see the forest for the trees…until it’s too late.
One other thing
There’s a horrific angle that some national writers are chasing down that Sandusky was pimping young boys as prostitutes to wealthy donors. I pray that is nothing but a false rumor.
What they have found is that there are a number of "older men" who donate to the second mile
Who have “questionable” relationships with much younger kids. That has been verified this morning by the Second Mile. What hasn’t been verified are the actual acts and who the other sicko whack jobs are. I can only imagine what this story will hold by say Monday? This is going to get much much much much worse before it ever turns the corner to beginning to heal.
My opinion to start the healing process…take a big crane with a big ball of steel on the end of a chain and knock down every wall that surrounds that stadium and let a little sunlight and fresh air into that place and throw away all the concrete, bricks, and mortar that built that tower of shame that exists there today. Don’t mess with the field or stands one bit…just build everything else from scratch completely. New fresh look preferably with windows everywhere so sunlight can be kept in that place and so darkness is tougher to keep hidden.
Yes .... and I hope the Feds. getting involved (Cleary Act) will be a good thing. (Sandusky
founded Second Mile while a DC at Penn State). Althought (Arnne Duncan has some previous “mentor” problems in his back-ground) – (i.e. young children enjoy sex, too). It’s documented, so don’t blow up on me. Makes me look like and feel like I’ve lost all trust, huh?
One aspect of this is something I learned through my job prosecuting scumbags like this. A classic characteristic of pedophiles is that they often create some kind of lure to get themselves close to children while appearing perfectly innocent. It might be a swimming pool in the back yard. It might be a game room that neighborhood kids are welcome to frequent. It might be volunteering as a foster parent or as a coach on a little league or soccer team. It might be that Sandusky’s ‘charity’ work wasn’t charitable at all.
But you’re right about separate lives. While some pedophiles just look the part, others lead respectable lives and everyone that knows them is shocked when the news comes out.
"I’ve established a reputation for integrity. I have maintained those high standards" - Craig James
Seth I'm going to break a rule (sorry)
When McCreary saw a 60 year old man having anal sex with a 10 year old boy in the shower, how the fuck does he not run over and beat the fuck out of him?
How the fuck does this guy live with himself continuing to interact with Sandusky, saying nothing while Sandusky brings more boys to practice?
What the fuck does McCreary think once he told his Dad (Sandusky’s best friend) and Paterno – and Sandusky still shows up like nothing happened?
Does he think, “well, maybe its ok to rape boys in the shower in the football locker-room?”
Does he think, “well, maybe the 60 year old man will stop raping 10 year olds once he gets a good talking-to from the coach?”
McCreary was 28 years old. He was not a 10 year old child.
Sorry, like many of those on the board, I have two children (5,3), and God help anyone should they even think about that.
I can’t even get through the grand jury documents without boiling into a rage.
Fuck ’em all. I hope they burn in hell.
"This time it's different."
I'll copy and paste something I posted higher up in the thread ... it fits here...
…but here’s a dynamic I didn’t realize until a radio interview yesterday…
McQuerry grew up with Sandusky in State College. He was a classmate of Sandusky’s adopted daughter, and was a family friend and had been mentored by Sandusky pretty much his entire life. I can really see how McQuerry, when he saw it in the act, froze and didn’t physically step in. This was a man he respected (feared?) and had known since he could walk. Calling his dad may seem silly, but it makes a small bit of sense. Turning him in had to be difficult given the relationship history.
I saw that 92
But let me ask you this. . .
Family friend or not (and the research shows that of all these motherfuckers turn out to be family friends), how can you look at the boy and not be compelled instinctively to protect him.
Is this how that piece of shit got his coaching job? (And they’re all pieces of shit in my book.)
Was that the quid pro quo?
Sorry again Seth.
"This time it's different."
by LondonRaider on Nov 10, 2011 12:30 PM CST up reply actions
I completely agree with you
I was just relaying the information I had heard…and in some small way, I can put myself in his shoes and see it going either way. I know we all want to think it’s black and white, but some people’s fight or flight mechanism doesn’t react the way you would hope it would. He had an amazing opportunity to change the outcome of future lives with one word, but he didn’t do it. And that’s sad.
I know you're not defending the guy
I realize that you are trying to understand what the guy might have been thinking.
I get that.
The difference between me and McCreary is that I am wired to beat the f*** out of someone in this sort of instance.
I am not wired to show sympathy.
I am not wired to consider anything else.
I get that too.
"This time it's different."
by LondonRaider on Nov 10, 2011 12:50 PM CST up reply actions
I'm with you on this one
at the very least McQuery should have escorted the child away from Sandusky and to the nearest police station or hospital.
by MatadorProud on Nov 10, 2011 12:56 PM CST up reply actions
we can all say we would beat tje f*** out of the guy now
but I’ll tell you when you find yourself in one of these situations you may react very differently in the moment than you think just due to the shock.
Be the kind of woman that when your feet hit the floor each morning the devil says, "oh crap, she's up".
Those of us who can't fathom taking immediate action,
please ask a combat veteran about the first time they experienced intense combat and ask them how many in their group froze due to shock. I suspect that there are more than we can imagine.
To be clear, I am not defending the guy, just trying to understand his actions.
by Arizona Raider on Nov 10, 2011 4:38 PM CST up reply actions
there are
a lot of circumstances that I hope to never be in……
This is a 3 ring circus up in here......
by oldschoolraider on Nov 10, 2011 5:13 PM CST up reply actions
I can make
a case for me beating the shit out of somebody I know sooner and with more gusto doing this than a stranger
This is a 3 ring circus up in here......
by oldschoolraider on Nov 10, 2011 3:11 PM CST up reply actions
Wow ... had no idea.
This explains a lot. I would suspect that he just froze because he could wrap his mind around it. His mind is trying to process what his eyes are seeing and can’t; it just doesn’t make sense; so he denies or minimizes it.
by Arizona Raider on Nov 10, 2011 12:35 PM CST up reply actions
yes but it was 9 years ago
I think he would have processed it and could have and should have made a phone call before the grand jury called on him 3 years ago
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Yeah, I have a lot of issues with McCreary based upon what he said he saw and what he did.
Relationships be damned at that point. I’ll say that it can be hard to come forth later with a strong statement after having done nothing in the moment exactly because of questions like this. Add that to his prior interaction with this guy and the fear of attacking (literally) a superior.
Be a team. Be the most excited to play. Be the best at doing your @#&$ing job.
Speculation .... (I noted it last night)
Did McQuery stay in the football program and was he promoted to different coaching positions to keep him quiet??
It is just speculation on my part but how in the hell is he still coaching at Penn State and how in the hell did he not punch the hell out of Sandusky in 2002 and every time he saw since then.
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I thought the very same thing
I just don’t want to be believe that would even be plausible!!
by MatadorProud on Nov 10, 2011 12:47 PM CST up reply actions
PS: with all kinds of disclaimers for the innocent ... New HC Tom Bradley has been
in the same orginization for 33 years. Not a good move either, IMO.
It is moments like this
when I wonder whether gun control is a good idea or not.
(That’s not a political statement by the way)
"This time it's different."
so... capital punishment for sex offenders?
don’t you think that’s a little strong? There’s a reason that the only state to codify that into law is Louisiana, you know?
I don't think he is talking about capital punishment from the courts.
More vigilante justice than anything. I will say this, if I was carrying and saw that happening, or if I was a parent of a child involved….. my new wardrobe would be full of stripes.
The tone of this thread is absolutely out of control...
we sound more like a lynch mob than anything else… I get the anger… but this is really over the top
RdrPwr got it.
I am genuinely asking myself the question BD. Sorry, if you think its over the top.
Death penalty is too strong. Locked up for a long time – I don’t have a problem with that.
What’s the alternative? Counseling?
"This time it's different."
by LondonRaider on Nov 10, 2011 2:25 PM CST up reply actions
I dunno... I think the current punishment is pretty severe...
Sandusky will spend the final meaningful years of his life in a prison. When he gets out, he’ll have a scarlet P (for perv) branded on him for life. He won’t be able to vote or to live where he wants. His actions will be tracked by the government. He’ll never enjoy a normal relationship with his family or friends again. It’s not death… but it’s the most severe punishment I can think of besides death.
I just think we need to rise above all this punitive rhetoric. Vengeance is what we get in the heat of the moment when our animal brain takes control. It’s bestial, subhuman, and not something to brag about. The perpetrator and the silent witnesses in this case will get what’s coming to them. Why can’t we leave it at that?
Prisoners have an honor code and caste system ...
Child molesters are at the bottom of both. When my co-worker went to prison, another co-worker who served hard time, told us he would rather die than try to survive in prison as a convicted child molester.
by Arizona Raider on Nov 10, 2011 4:44 PM CST up reply actions
If their laws are anything like those in Texas
He will never again see the light of day as a free man.
"I’ve established a reputation for integrity. I have maintained those high standards" - Craig James
Not in Texas if you were carrying and saw the act:
Sec. 9.32. DEADLY FORCE IN DEFENSE OF PERSON. (a) A person is justified in using deadly force against another:
(1) if the actor would be justified in using force against the other under Section 9.31; and
(2) when and to the degree the actor reasonably believes the deadly force is immediately necessary:
(A) to protect the actor against the other’s use or attempted use of unlawful deadly force; or
(B) to prevent the other’s imminent commission of aggravated kidnapping, murder, sexual assault, aggravated sexual assault, robbery, or aggravated robbery.
"They challenged us. They said, 'Here, try to run past us, try to run inside us.' And they were better at preventing that than we were throwing and catching it." --Mike Leach
At the MINIMUM
You are justified to threaten the use of deadly force to stop the act. Of course, on campus you can’t carry anyway, so …..
"They challenged us. They said, 'Here, try to run past us, try to run inside us.' And they were better at preventing that than we were throwing and catching it." --Mike Leach
I'm of the opinion that sexual predators caught in the act of molestation should receive the death penalty
If there’s any shred of doubt then I don’t think it should be an option. Just my opinion and probably well in the minority here. Makes sense to me that any human faced with the thought of seeing their own demise as a possibility would think much harder before acting on any temptation they might have.
If it was
any family member of mine…..I would be planning my defense right now. I don’t give two shits if that leaves me open to being primative,etc.
This is a 3 ring circus up in here......
by oldschoolraider on Nov 10, 2011 3:23 PM CST up reply actions
Preaching to the choir good buddy...:)
by TTU '04 on Nov 10, 2011 6:08 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Amen
It all makes me want to vomit. My son turns 16 this month and I can guarantee anyone on this site if this happened to him there is absolutely no question what would happen to the s.o.b. who did it.
My son
turns 16 in Feb…..have you checked out insurance rates for 16 year olds? Time to go to work.
This is a 3 ring circus up in here......
by oldschoolraider on Nov 11, 2011 11:29 AM CST up reply actions
Sad
I pray for the victims, anyone who is involved, and anyone who is going or went through this type of horrific event. It is a very sad time.
by TexasTechForever on Nov 10, 2011 2:39 PM CST reply actions 5 recs
If I am on their
board…..I would suggest cancelling the next 3 games. You can’t flip it to a positive win or lose. You then shed every person associated with the football program (from trainers to secretaries). The good ones will land on their feet and you start with an entire new collection of people next year.
This is a 3 ring circus up in here......
by oldschoolraider on Nov 10, 2011 3:16 PM CST reply actions
New here, came over after following the PSU tragedies
http://www.blackshoediaries.com/2011/11/10/2551635/sandusky-paterno-scandal-RAINN-victims-support
the remainder of the university is trying to pick up the pieces, but I have to agree with someone above that they should forfeit the rest of their season this year.
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“Penn State’s board of trustees have asked the university’s head football coach to keep Mike McQueary, the assistant coach at the center of a child sex scandal, off the field during Saturday’s nationally-televised game against Nebraska, according to one of the trustees.
The trustee told The Morning Call in an exclusive interview that the board made the request out of concern for McQueary’s safety.
The board does not plan to fire McQueary or ask him to step down, according to the trustee, who asked to remain anonymous because of the sensitive nature of the matter.”
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Also, there is word on the Black Shoe Diaries site that the corporate sponsorship has started their exodus. There is a tweet mentioning that Sherwin/Williams has removed their logos from Beaver Stadium
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I feel for the PSU family (alum and students) that are having to pick up the pieces from this tragedy that has been thrust upon them.
I will take Tech’s football struggles over what they are going through.
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Forgot to attach the link
http://www.mcall.com/news/breaking/mc-penn-state-trustees-turnaround-20111110,0,3236661.story
NUTS - Never Underestimate TEAM Strength
Pretty good article on it too
http://www.cbssports.com/collegefootball/story/16064518/mcqueary-to-coach-saturday-reasoning-difficult-to-comprehend
I don’t know if that wistleblower protection law would work in this case, but it makes sense as to why he isn’t fired.
This is interesting
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/45244328/ns/local_news-philadelphia_pa/
I doubt that PSU had anything to do with this guys sudden dsappearing, but it is interesting to say the least.
McQuery punked out
And contributed to perpetuating what had been going on. Family acqaintance or not, a 60yo man caught with a 10yo boy does not get the benefit of the doubt. Sandusky was not caught with a 21yo backup quaterback. McQ found an indisputable crime as it was being committed. That first phone call he made should have been to the Police, not his father. Neither McQ nor his father should have been concerned about awkwardly running into Sandasky at church the next Sunday.
It was the right thing to do anyway. If he wasn’t comfortable with a physical confrontation, at least block the door until the Police arrived. There would have been plenty of physical evidence still intact. If this ongoing mess was uncovered then, McQ could have become a hero nationally.
I read on a diffentent blog that McQ’s actions, or lack of actions, were defendable because he or “no one wakes up in the morning thinking that will happen” Maybe everyone learns how to respond from this.
Regarding finding more “evidence” I saw where that victim has not been located. Hopefully he will come forward, and is all right. I’ve noticed that DA has been missing for years….
LR, dittos on your posts today.
by tony1979 on Nov 10, 2011 4:23 PM CST via mobile reply actions
Adding to my rambling post, I hope McQ hits a homerun against Sandusky if this ever goes to trial. His testimony before the Grand Jury was deemed credible, while the PSU version of the Bell Tower Boys’ was not.
Good info on DA, though it sounds like that there wasn’t sufficient evidence on the 98 incident
by tony1979 on Nov 10, 2011 4:58 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
latest
Investigative reporters are digging in to theory PSU had Sandusky retire in exchange for a cover up.
by Tech92 on Nov 10, 2011 6:06 PM CST via iPhone app reply actions
timing
The retirement of a fairly young dc and this leaks out after jopa reaches his milestone.
This is a 3 ring circus up in here......
by oldschoolraider on Nov 10, 2011 6:15 PM CST via iPhone app reply actions
Like I said earlier...
No news here nothing to see here…move along!! It’s all there for everyone to see. Use some common sense…right?
coaches
Spend many more hours together than almost any other profession. There are others from that staff that are culpable.
This is a 3 ring circus up in here......
by oldschoolraider on Nov 10, 2011 6:23 PM CST via iPhone app up reply actions
Caution for All
Never assume anyone is of High Moral charactor or safe for any reason.
Seen alot in my line of work and the surprises never stop.
Proud Raider
I’ve felt disconnected from Texas Tech as I have bounced between the extreme coasts of this country for graduate programs. This is my first post, and it is simply to say that the sober, honest, and sometimes necessarily brutal reactions to this tragedy being given by Texas Tech alumni and fans (in contrast to the national nonsense) in this thread make me proud to be a Red Raider. Well done.
by Boston Raider on Nov 11, 2011 8:04 AM CST reply actions 1 recs
McQuery on 'leave' now too.
Why are they resisting opening up and cleaning out this place?
I heard they have to keep McQueary safe and happy
because he is the “Star Witness” to put that monster Sandusky away for ever.
They can’t find victim #2 … the boy that McQueary saw in the shower that night in 2002.
Maybe the boy (who would be about 19 or 20 years old now) will come forward but so far they only have McQueary’s testimony.
I think in the long run the place will be cleaned out. I think there will be more charges coming too.
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NUTS - Never Underestimate TEAM Strength
From Carey Casey at fathers.com
This whole thing bothers me … really bothers me (as I’m sure it bothers all of you).
There’s one question that keeps going through my mind. What if one of the Penn State leaders had asked himself:
Would my response be different if the 10-year-old victim was my son or grandson?"
If they did this, I believe their response would have been different, which saddens me.
This young victim and all the victims of this tragic incident were not treated with the dignity and respect that they deserved … and need.
We know that many children look at other men in their lives as "father-figures." This means that every man in a leadership role should carry the weight of being that potential father figure.
Coaches and school officials at every level—from pee-wee sports to the NCAA—are in a position to fulfill this awesome responsibility. And that includes me and you.
So if the allegations are true, the leadership at Penn State chose football, and their reputation, over protecting young boys …. And they certainly did not fulfill their moral obligation as father figures.
Children and young adults need encouragement, wisdom and friendship from courageous men—responsible, caring men who truly have the youngster’s best interests in mind.
If a coach, school official, or other leader is not willing to assume this solemn responsibility, he should not be entrusted with the job of transforming young men and women into adults.
So once again I ask…
Would their response have been different if the 10-year-old victim had been their son or grandson?"
And dads, this is an important teachable moment for you to have with your kids… don’t miss the opportunity to have frank, age-appropriate discussions with them to help prevent such abuse from happening in your sphere of influence.
Very well said Mr. Casey
Why I blame McQueary for soooo much of the damage ....
That little boy and Sandusky saw him see them, and walk away. Wonder what went through 10 yr. old’s head … and Sandusky telling him: “See, nobody cares about you — I;m too important”. This is just unforgivable.
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