Reports | Terry Price Hired as Defensive Line Coach and John Lovett as Secondary Coach
by Seth C on Dec 12, 2011 6:03 AM CST
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PrintYesterday, it appeared that former Ole Miss and Auburn defensive line coach, Terry Price, would be hired as the defensive line coach and last night, news broke that former Miami defensive coordinator John Lovett would be hired as the secondary coach (see the LAJ's Don Williams, CoachingSearch.com and FootballScoop). Last year, Lovett was the special teams coach for the Hartford Colonials in the UFL and was most recently the defensive coordinator at Miami the year before last and was fired when Miami head coach Randy Shannon was fired.
This is the surprising part, in 1995 Lovett was the secondary coach the last four years that Tuberville was at Ole Miss (Lovett had worked his way up the coaching ladder prior to that) and followed Tuberville to Auburn and was eventually named as Auburn's defensive coordinator, but was fired by Tuberville following the 2001 season. Lovett then bounced around to Clemson, where he was the defensive coordinator, then to Bowling Green also as the defensive coordinator and then was hired as a special teams coordinator and defensive assistant in North Carolina before landing as the defensive coordinator in Miami.
When Shannon was fired, Al Golden cleaned house and Lovett was one of the casualties. Lovett actually had very good defenses while at Miami, but I would also guess that he had some nice talent. That's not a knock. What may make me happy more than anything else is the fact that Butch Davis at North Carolina thought that Lovett was worth being on his staff and although this may be completely irrational, I think that Davis knows what he's doing in terms of coaches and putting out a terrific defense (sans John Blake). You can read this Miami Herald article about Lovett leaving Miami and the comments in the article are inane, as a lot of internet comments can be, and mention that the reason Lovett has such good statistics is because opposing offenses didn't pass, the talent at Miami, etc.
I still think it's going to be tough on DC Chad Glasgow to not have any input in the coaching hires and thought that it would be better for Glasgow to have another position coach be a disciple of the 4-2-5 defense, but these are obviously Tuberville's guys. Tuberville is probably thinking, as I wrote yesterday, that if he's going to go down, he's going to go down with the guys that he's known for 20 years. There is something comforting about familiarity and for Tuberville this is most likely no different.
The only position left to fill is the offensive line coach and if the first two hires are any indication, you can expect some former position coach for Tuberville to be named as the offensive line coach. You can follow both of the college football rumor sites linked above or you an follow DTN's Texas Tech Twitter list.
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Who knows
I’m not sure what to think. These guys sound like has beens. If these guys are the guys TT wants then why were they not here two years ago? I HOPE this works out, but I won’t be holding my breath. SHOW ME RESULTS!! Not potential. IMHO we have to go 9-4 with a bowl win to get me feeling warm and fuzzy and the four loses can’t be more than 14 pt avg.
"Everyone has a plan until they get punched in the mouth." - Mike Tyson
by tech1774 on Dec 12, 2011 6:58 AM CST reply actions 1 recs
After this last season, I think most will be at least appeased with a winning season and bowl game.
That would look like progress.
Living large in Texas...Texas forever.
I like the Price hire, for sure
Although, He doesnt have much to work with here, but I’m ready to see what he can do with Delvon Simmons, who I think could have a great year next year.
Other than that, Release the Prunty recruting machine, we need all we can get from him right now.
#FireNealBrown
I just hate it when Tommy comes on here.
"Oh, yeah. We don't even talk about Bowls much. We're so far away from being a team right now that can have a chance to compete in a Bowl." HC Tommy Tuberville.
wow
because I point out the flaws in an area of talent we have. I am Tuberville. When, it is blantantly obvious I was only making a statement that in no shape or form defended the work of Tuberville.
Although, My bank account wishes I was paid like the man, I am just saying he doesnt have much talent to work with there. It’s really a black and white statement.
But, I have a difference of opinion about our program than most, clearly, that is not welcome on this blog. Didnt know this became Iamthe12thman.com
See ya later.
#FireNealBrown
You are right ttutyler
This blog is reserved for tubs bashers only. Seth provides good info, but unless you bash tubs and are negative about tech football you won’t be welcome here. Read the articles that Seth posts, but try and stay away from the comments, it will put you on suicide watch like the rest of them.
by Noname87 on Dec 12, 2011 9:52 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
I too am tired of some posters making fun of others for differing opinions. That’s bullsh and that’s not what DTN is about. If ttutyler doesn’t think that there’s enough talent, that’s not him having his head in the sand, that’s an opinion. Insinuating that someone is a crybaby by posting a picture of a crying child is borderline calling someone a name, so we just need to stop this practice. If you want to criticize his opinion, that’s fine, but doing it in this manner is neither constructive nor helpful, despite the fact that I think you’re trying to have fun, but there are a lot of people leaving DTN because they feel like they’re being criticized for having a different opinion. And for the record, I think that the defense was decimated in terms of talent, some of it was Tuberville’s own doing, which I’ll get into later in the winter.
Go Raiders . . .
Double-T Nation
by Seth C on Dec 12, 2011 10:10 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
My post below agrees with ttutyler
My postings above were in response to the accusations by noname that the commenters are on suicide watch and unless you are a Tubs basher you aren’t welcome to post here. That’s bullsh to me. I welcome Tubs supporters just like I welcome Tubs bashers. I don’t think labeling every commenter into one group based on the comment of one was a fair swipe. My head in the sand was pointed towards noname thinking we only drink one flavor of koolaid at DTN.
For the record
I would welcome noname’s opinions on all of the matters. I haven’t seen any opinions given by noname so it made little sense to me that the attack was merited. Maybe if in the response to ttutyler there was some substance about why he agreed with ttutyler instead of bashing the rest of us and crying about the commenters on DTN it would have led to a better exchange.
I am
Beaten down by tech football, which brought me so much joy for so long. The events of the last two years have made next season toxic to me. I could care less the shade of lipstick they choose for this pig. I’m also tired of having the same dtn conversation and then have someone who doesn’t interract at all on dtn state that it’s all negative and anything different isn’t allowed. I am agnostic on classifying good fans and not….but I’m guessing anyone taking the time to spend in Seth’s slice of the internets probably is ’ a good fan’.
I am trying to be more plugged in on all other parts of my alma mater…
This is a 3 ring circus up in here......
by oldschoolraider on Dec 12, 2011 1:15 PM CST up reply actions 2 recs
On some level, I’m beaten down by it too, but Texas Tech football always brings me back. I started DTN because I love to write about sports, particularly Texas Tech. I guess I’m a columnist that thankfully has a platform to satiate the idea that I still love to write about Texas Tech and love having an outlet. I don’t know what I would do without it. I won’t be able to help myself to get excited despite the fact that I might should know better.
Go Raiders . . .
Double-T Nation
What do you think.....
people are going to talk about when the program in the condition it is now? It’s perfectly logical for the majority of people being unhappy. It amazes me that criticism is frowned upon so much and the sensitivity some have to it. The program is in bad shape and that’s factual so that’s what you talk about. When we are back in good shape that’s the next conversation and then you’ll hear good things. Simple as that.
"You've got to find your inner pirate" - Mike Leach
That wasn't the problem at all
The problem stemmed from the fact I put a statement of how our talent level in the Dline was limited, which as you cans ee from following comments is a accurate statement, I get a…
“I hate it when Tommy comes on here.”
I dont think Seth is worried about the negativity, but I do believe the comments like calling people Hance, or Tommy or anyone else when they just simply state a black and white statement is taking it’s toll on him. It honestly simply immature in my opinion, but hey, I “never post on here.” Enjoy you’re Tech Bashers Ball.
(I feel like I’m at a sporting event and snuck into a suite for commenting twice in one day!)
#FireNealBrown
It's all good
I must have misunderstood. I’m just as frustrated as many are about the state of this program and I feel like it only makes sense to point out what’s wrong with this team and why it’s declining versus giving attaboys for marginal success in areas within the sport. I’m class glass half empty thinker until the W’s come along again. Hard to find anything good to say after what we saw this season. In either case I respect your opinion.
"You've got to find your inner pirate" - Mike Leach
Would agree with you ttutyler.
The DLine has been decimated by defections, injuries, incorrect strength and conditioning, or inexperience. There isn’t much to work with.
Some have mentioned that McElroy could really coach. If that is the case, then he got the most out of those players he could given the constraints of the things I mentioned above. So making a coaching change may not make one iota of difference.
by Arizona Raider on Dec 12, 2011 10:06 AM CST up reply actions
There are many of us on here who agree with you on the talent situation
Your opinion is welcomed here. I agree with you. After seeing the talent myself in person all year long I can’t understand why the older guys who had more talent were run off. I know a couple were for legit reasons but there are quite a few that have left me scratching my head.
There are many here who have the opinion that the coaching is/was more of an issue than the talent and their opinions are welcome here as well. That’s what makes this place great. Everyone can give their opinion. I think one thing has been added to DTN…and that is the need for some sort of substantiation or example with your opinion. In the past we all just threw it out there and went with it. Lately many have been challenging opinions or asking for proof/examples. That is healthy. It makes me even think hard about my perspective and opinions as well.
Seth is probably right about Tuberville going with familiarity
Wonder why he didn’t hire a familiar DC?
maybe he just did?
It will be interesting to see how much Lovett has Tuberville’s ear…and how short that leash on Russian coffee gets.
Tuberville's Ear
All I know is there is a lot of ear to have.
by PlanoDoubleT on Dec 12, 2011 8:07 PM CST up reply actions
No coach with solid employment presently.....
is going to risk coming to Tech for what could be one solid season of employment. Fact is Tuberville’s only options are guys that are out of work presently or guys that might be on their way out.
Hopefully some of these guys can make a difference but I agree with Seth that Glasgow should have been able to bring in guys that he hand picks.
"You've got to find your inner pirate" - Mike Leach
The irony...
of Tubs not trusting Glasgow to make 4-2-5 hires is that while he thinks he’s protecting his job by controlling the hires, he may actually be precipitating his decline…
Don’t you have to trust the managers/coaches you’ve hired to do their jobs at some point?
excellent point
sad tech fan is sad :(
by wrench_raider on Dec 12, 2011 10:51 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
Maybe more here than meets the eyes
It looks like Tubs wants some friends to talk to.
One method of getting an assistant to leave is to strip him of his power. To avoid looking as if he made two “bad” choices at DC he may be trying to get Chad to leave on his own accord.
Anywho looks as if the two new coaches will be signing short term rental contracts for housing.
The trouble ain't that there is too many fools, but that the lightning ain't distributed right. -Mark Twain
by TotalDef on Dec 12, 2011 8:36 AM CST via mobile reply actions
I do not see this as a way to get rid of Chad. If he wanted that, he would just do it.
Glasgow is so new to this, getting two very experienced coaches is a good thing. Tom may have made a couple of pretty good hires to add coaching experience. I do not care if they coached at multiple schools. That can be a plus. Only one way to go from here, so I might as well get behind who we have now. If we got a really good OL coach and kept a good recruting class, we should be able to turn the car around, or at least keep it on the road.
While at the Texas Game I noticed that Glasgow and Tommy never crossed paths.
I made it a point to watch more carefully afterwards, and in my opinion, Tommy and Glasgow are not on the same page. Each stood aprt from each other, and did not even look at each other. Glasgow should be looking to go back to TCU. His days are numbered here.
"Oh, yeah. We don't even talk about Bowls much. We're so far away from being a team right now that can have a chance to compete in a Bowl." HC Tommy Tuberville.
Not good.
I’m not quite sure what Tubs was thinking two years ago when he hired the staff. Don’t know what goes on during the week or how well each other knows one another, but I have an unsettled feeling since he put his initial staff together. There doesn’t seem to be much cohesion. None of these guys had ever worked together before.
If I was going to take over a multimillion dollar business and have the expectations that FBS coaches have on them, I would need the ability to hire few people for key positions. There is too much riding on it not to bring people in whom you trust, like, and have agreement in philosophy, strategy and tactics.
He can’t pass the blame on anyone else for this one … and may end up leading to his demise.
by Arizona Raider on Dec 12, 2011 9:24 AM CST up reply actions
Tubs had no respect for the BIg 12
So he thought it didn’t matter who he brought in, that he could win regardless.
He was going to win the recruiting battle and then winning games would fall into place.
We all know Leach wasn’t much of a coach (sarcasm) or recruiter – so winning in the Big 12 would be a piece of cake..
People you trust, know, agreement in philosophy, etc.
Take a look at CougCenter. Read about how Mike Leach is putting together a staff of people he trusts,and believes in. That’s how great leaders tick. Maybe Tubs is trying to do this now. I don’t know. I don’t think he is trying to run Chad off. We should not forget the fact that Chad was just a position coach. Maybe he needs some help from some older, more experienced guys. Again, I don’t know if that is the case or not, but it kind of makes sense to me.
Coaches are coaches. There are good ones and bad ones, and it really does not matter if they coached at ACU or LSU. If they are good at their profession, they will succeed in helping young athletes to perform at a higher level.
I just want our football program to get back to winning.
by Red and Black 71 on Dec 12, 2011 7:04 PM CST up reply actions
We Should Also Not Forget
That besides Chad there was not a shred of experience with the 4-2-5 scheme on the staff.
Might have been expecting too much for a coach, however talented, with no DC experience to install a completely new system with no one else of experience to help him
With the lack of play-making linebackers, I think it might be the best option right now.
Go Raiders . . .
Double-T Nation
Again, Fits the Pattern
But I see this as a positive, especially on the recruiting front. If Lovett still has ties to South Florida, I’d love to see some of those recruits coming to Tech because of this move. And you have a guy with DC experience as the secondary coach. That sounds like a good thing to me as well.
We cannot presume to know what is going on behind closed doors, so I’m giving Tubby some slack here. I have to assume that he has consulted with Glasgow on the hiring of Lovett. If not, it’s a real slap in the face, and if I’m Glasgow, I’m already shopping my resume. But again, I’m giving Tubs a break here until I know something different.
The pessimist complains about the wind. The optimist expects it to change. The leader adjusts the sails.
Wanting to look at the other side of the coin...
“to not have any input in the coaching hires”
That may be the case, but it does not seem rational to me that a hire would not have some input from the guy who is going to be charged with managing his efforts…in any business. Further, I have seen no tangible evidence that there were no inputs taken.
I agree that the direction is not clear given the backgrounds of the coaches.
One question comes is who is qualified to fill those positions as well versed 4-2-5 coaches ?
If it is so negative for the DC, why would he not be looking for a job in which he could have a greater opportunity for success? The boy is not dumb is he ?
Living large in Texas...Texas forever.
whos to say that Chad didnt
push to have those two defensive guys fired, and asked for Tubs to use his connections to get some “better” coaches, if nothing else these guys have experience and hopefully more recruiting connections
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"Well the ball just didnt bounce our way today" Tommy Tubervile, after decades of coaching experience, the best he can do ....................................................................................................................................
One of the great things about these discussions ...
is the speculation and ensuing debate. In very small towns across America, a group of men gather each morning at the coffee shop to discuss, speculate, and debate on what’s going on with the local high school football team, the local and county government, and world events.
I consider DTN a virtual coffee shop. Who really knows what really going on, but it’s fun to discuss, speculate, quote a friend of a friend who is close to the program or has expert knowledge in a key area.
I just want Tubs to fix this team that he broke. If he thinks these two guys give him the best shot, then he will live or die by this decision.
by Arizona Raider on Dec 12, 2011 9:56 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
I don’t know that Glasgow doesn’t have any input, it’s just a guess since Glasgow hasn’t worked with either Lovett or Price previously. He may have had a choice in the matter, but it didn’t appear that way to me.
Go Raiders . . .
Double-T Nation
Was John Lovett the DC when Tech whupped Clemson in the Mazda Tangerine Bowl?
If so then he is not very good at defending against the spread offense.
to be fair, that was a loooong time ago...
the Air Raid was still young and Clemson didn’t have the personnel to put 5-6 quality dbs on the field at the time
Yes, But again, let's be fair
and look at the whole picture. Here are the stats for Clemson while Lovett was there:
2002. 48th in Total Def, 60th in Rushing Def, 35th in Passing Def
2003. 29th in Total Def, 35th in Rushing Def, 38th in Passing Def
2004. 26th in Total Def, 41st in Ruching Def, 23rd in Passing Def
I’d take those kinds of numbers any day, any year at Tech.
The pessimist complains about the wind. The optimist expects it to change. The leader adjusts the sails.
And as we all know...
…when Kliff Kingsburry was “on”, as he was for that game, he made good defenses look average, and made average defenses look bad.
The pessimist complains about the wind. The optimist expects it to change. The leader adjusts the sails.
I think
tuberville hires some of these coaches strickly for their recruiting ability.
I recall one of the reasons he hired glasgow was because he has experience recruiting in texas. It is probably a good selling point as well to tell recruits he coached the top defense in the country at TCU. I am a bit worried about all these different defensive coaching Philosophies under Tuberville. I am not sure Tuberville is on the same page glasgow.
Lovett
Just throwing this out there. His last two college jobs at Miami and UNC both have or are under investigation for NCAA infractions. Not saying hes the culprit, but if he allows funny business to happen that the last thing we need at Tech right now.
by Michael McAuley on Dec 12, 2011 10:49 AM CST reply actions
North Carolina was mostly about John Blake and his outstanding recruiting (sarcasm). As exhaustive as Yahoo! Sports’ report was, Lovett wasn’t mentioned and they have links for every player and coach that was potentially involved.
Go Raiders . . .
Double-T Nation
I don’t know that he’s totally clear, but Yahoo! was pretty darned thorough. It’s tough to comment on N.C., but I couldn’t find anything on him this morning and anything that’s happened. I looked for about half an hour.
Go Raiders . . .
Double-T Nation
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there is an old lonely man cornering young girls at the scanners to talk about politics or history, i cant tell exactly. But its keeping me from studying.
by Michael McAuley on Dec 12, 2011 11:06 AM CST reply actions
Then leave the poor girls alone & get back to studying
It’s all about self control old man. Anyway who talks to girls about politics & history? Movies & music are much better topics.
"Thinking? You may be giving Tuberville too much credit. That head is only there as an ear support system." TechFirst 12/2/2011
Gotta Lovett
"Thinking? You may be giving Tuberville too much credit. That head is only there as an ear support system." TechFirst 12/2/2011
Don't think Lovett will matter much, Price/Glasgow will determine Tubs and TTU's year.
Our D-Line is the make or break for next year. You can blame linebackers, but they were constantly being swallowed by the O-line as they had no problems getting past ours. You can blame secondary, but when the quaterback can take a power nap before throwing the ball even the best secondary is going to get torched. Not to mention the safeties and CB to a degree having to always play run first since the line couldn’t stop anyone. Our offense may not be what it once was with Crab’s and company, but they still move the ball. It’s just comes down to that D-line stopping someone. I’m just hoping we can find one or two Juco’s and that Delvon Simmons suddenly becomes the impact DT we hoped he would be when we got him. If Glasgow and Price can fix this, I think we will have a really good year next year and suprise everyone. If not….we’ll be coach shopping this time next year.
My wife sent me Coach shopping
$250 for a purse is quite simply obscene. Apparently, she thinks I graduated from UT.
Even Betty Crocker burns a cake every now and then. -- Billy Joe Tolliver
by Yellow City Raider on Dec 12, 2011 4:50 PM CST up reply actions
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