Changes in Store For Tuberville's Staff?
by Tech92 on Dec 9, 2011 2:43 PM CST
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@BFeldmanCBS Bruce Feldman Hearing Tommy Tuberville canned three assistants today at Texas Tech: OL coach Matt Moore, Otis Mounds & Sam McElroy.
I'm not sure if these are good moves or not. I don't like change just for the sake of change. But I am somewhat pleased that SOMETHING is being done. Are these the right moves? Time will tell.
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are you kidding 92?
He needed some scapegoats so he got rid of a Leach holdover (moore), McElroy (dont really know enough to comment), and a guy whose only purpose in hiring was to pull in a recruit who didnt even end up coming to Tech anyways (Mounds). It makes the fanbase think changes are being made, when in reality this coach has his head so far up his……..and the same shitty product will be on the field again next year. Standard move.
"Odds are its something simple" - @Coach_Leach
I dunno...
Moore was a man-blocking guy, and NB seems to want to run a zone scheme.
Mounds was the secondary coach… nuff said.
McElroy coached DLs, specifically interior linemen who were a problem as well.
If Tuberville is going to try to improve the coaching staff, I think these changes make sense. Moore seems to be the only regrettable firing… in part because he’s a Leach hold-over, and in part because he was a good coach when we were running a man scheme. I hope he can find quality replacements by the time spring ball rolls around.
willing
to bet that Moore ends up on the Wash ST coaching staff here shortly
"Odds are its something simple" - @Coach_Leach
by neosox on Dec 9, 2011 4:09 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
There are reports that ML has already tabbed an OL coach at WSU
Clay McGuire has supposedly been hired as O line coach, or at least that’s what the press has been saying since yesterday. McGuire was a player and graduate asst under Leach, and ML talked about him being one of the most determined players he ever had in his book..
"I’ve established a reputation for integrity. I have maintained those high standards" - Craig James
McGuire had been the running backs and special teams coach under Ruff at ECU.
This could be a case of really bad timing from Moore’s viewpoint. And maybe WSU’s.
"I’ve established a reputation for integrity. I have maintained those high standards" - Craig James
Interesting...
that Leach has been at WSU a short time and already hired a number of people. We are approaching Tub’s third year when he is still making changes.
Around here football is bigger than the state of Texas!
by Distant Raider on Dec 10, 2011 1:17 PM CST up reply actions
I'm not so sure
about Moore to Wash St. Leach has already hired Jim Mastro for RBs, Dennis Simmons for outside receivers, Eric Morris (the Elf) for inside receivers, and Clay McGuire (apparently for the OL). Counting Leach, that’s 5 coaches on the offensive side of the ball. Can’t remember right off hand how many a team is allowed to have.
by Techsaninutah on Dec 9, 2011 5:21 PM CST up reply actions
Leach already hired
Clay McGuire, former Tech running back, to coach the offensive line at Wazzu. McGuire was on Ruffin’s staff at ECU as RB coach and worked with special teams. He was also on Leach’s staff at Tech as special teams coordinator.
by Red and Black 71 on Dec 9, 2011 5:36 PM CST up reply actions
Started to post this earlier
but got sidetracked. Sorry about the repetitive info.
by Red and Black 71 on Dec 9, 2011 5:42 PM CST up reply actions
Maybe he is going to Washington Moore that is
"Oh, yeah. We don't even talk about Bowls much. We're so far away from being a team right now that can have a chance to compete in a Bowl." HC Tommy Tuberville.
Not all that bad
McElroy and Mounds can split as far as I’m concerned but Moore IMO was a good OL coach. DL and secondary were beyond bad this season so those are good fires.
I’m hoping Tuberville already has those holes filled with new hires for recruiting sake.
"You've got to find your inner pirate" - Mike Leach
Thank you, baby Jesus!
for a whole post without mentioning Mike Leach!
It seems like that’s all the chuckleheads above can talk about.
That was two years ago, kiddos.
Misinterpretation...
Blackbeard, I think you misinterpreted my post. I was thanking Raider1992 for not mentioning Mike Leach since the 12 posts prior to his were all concerning the former coach.
Well this fits
What I heard Wednesday from my people. They were saying they would be a handful of little changes sooner rather than later and to keep an eye out. It was vague enough that I didn’t say anything this time. Oh well.
I think there is an 80% chance that firing these folks was the right move.
All three of these areas need help.
Now we wait to see if he brings in big 12 guys or people from the East.
Coach mac (Sam mc Elroy)
Can coach his ass off. Prunty is a recruiter and not tactician. None of this matters, as the lead dog has no clue what he is doing.
We gave up the real captain for captain hazelwood and this program is the Exxon Valdez. This is his mo and surprises nobody. The point can be made that chad deserves to hire his staff. We all deserve better than this.
This is a 3 ring circus up in here......
by oldschoolraider on Dec 9, 2011 3:19 PM CST reply actions 2 recs
Can you say more about McElroy?
I’m on the outside looking in, but I haven’t seen much to write home about as far as the DLs are concerned. I know he’s got a good record as an HC, but what has he done as a position coach at Tech?
Coaches respect his
Work and work ethic. I have met him twice, but as far as his abilities…coaches that cross his path will tell you he is very able. We also know Moore is able.
This is rearranging the deckchairs on the titanic.
This is a 3 ring circus up in here......
by oldschoolraider on Dec 9, 2011 3:43 PM CST up reply actions 2 recs
Well played
This is rearranging the deckchairs on the titanic.
"Oh, yeah. We don't even talk about Bowls much. We're so far away from being a team right now that can have a chance to compete in a Bowl." HC Tommy Tuberville.
by Btech on Dec 9, 2011 8:31 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Well my sources have confirmed that McElroy is indeed canned.
This saddens me, because as you said the guy can coach his ass off. He did a great job at TSU, and could’ve wound up being a great D1 DC in my humble opinion (better than Chad for sure!). Now he’ll never get that job because there will be some other position opened up within Tech for him so him and his family don’t have to move.
So Far
Tubby has been all about recruiting. So I have to think these moves are for that purpose. If he pulls the trigger on these changes ( and it’s still not final), you can bet that he’s got some assistants in mind from his “backyard” in Mississippi and Alabama. And he probably already has some recruits targeted, just like Blake Dees last year.
The pessimist complains about the wind. The optimist expects it to change. The leader adjusts the sails.
If he's got any (good) assistants from his "backyard"... why did he wait until now to bring them in?
"Transition is hard." - TT
by Houston Raider on Dec 9, 2011 10:32 PM CST up reply actions
This is still up in the air.
Reports in the news now are that they will address it next week.
Could that be some backpedaling?
I am wondering how safe Prunty is?
Too many recruits he's pulled in
for him to get canned. I think it’s pretty much official at this point.
I agree
If anything Prunty pulls his weight with recruiting alone. That is no simple task especially in this state with the competiton we face.
"You've got to find your inner pirate" - Mike Leach
In regards to prunty and tuberville..
At some point, you have to be able to coach.
This is a 3 ring circus up in here......
by oldschoolraider on Dec 9, 2011 4:05 PM CST up reply actions
apparently not in Lubbock
i'm back bitches.....................deal with it.
by blackbeard on Dec 9, 2011 4:05 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
damn
from here, its supposed to be possible. At least thats what they told me on the TV.
"Odds are its something simple" - @Coach_Leach
Remember what Tubs said when he came here
That he needed coaches that were good recruiters. He said that recruiting was a natural talent. He said he could teach coaches how to coach but not how to get a recruit to commit to you as a person.
"I’ve established a reputation for integrity. I have maintained those high standards" - Craig James
everything
that guy has said since he’s gotten to Lubbock has been complete BS in one form or another.
"Odds are its something simple" - @Coach_Leach
Disagree
He said he wasn’t here to win 7 or 8 games and he didn’t.
Promise kept!
"Don't watch bad football. It can kill you." - Spencer Hall
by NH(former)Raider on Dec 9, 2011 9:46 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Am glad I didn’t write that review of assistant coaches just yet.
Go Raiders . . .
Double-T Nation
by Seth C on Dec 9, 2011 3:32 PM CST via mobile reply actions 1 recs
I am away from a computer but if you check DTN’s Twitter you will see Terrace Bullitt and Deveric Gallington seem to confirm this news.
Go Raiders . . .
Double-T Nation
by Seth C on Dec 9, 2011 5:50 PM CST via mobile reply actions
What's up with the Baron Batch tweet?
is he laughing about the situation? am I reading too much into that?
He seems to start off
a lot of his tweets with “Ha Ha…” Not sure why, but he does.
11/12/11...66-6...I once was blind, but now I see.
AirRaid running scheme...
Leach only ran two plays when he was here: inside and outside ZONE, not a man blocking scheme. That’s a lame excuse the apologists use to excuse away the lack of production Tuby is getting from our line. Plus, Matt Moore was the Oline coach here when our QB hardly ever got touched! Now, we can’t get a pass off without getting creamed. Moore may be getting sacrificed, but it’s pretty damn clear that whatever schemes TT and NB brought with them are what’s the problem. I just wish these “staff changes” would start with him!
by PBK on Dec 9, 2011 5:54 PM CST via mobile reply actions
O to the MG...
please refrain from calling me a Tubs apologist… or maybe go back and read one of the 2,000 comments I’ve made on this site.
and then go back and review the PASS block scheme under Leach… it’s man, not zone…
know before you comment and throw accusations around
Nice Avatar, PBK!.
I got razzed a little on CougCenter about wanting pics of some “boobs” (play on words about “haboobs”). Instead, someone here granted me my wish—thank you! OK Seth, please don’t ban me as I’ll behave myself now.
by djn on Dec 9, 2011 8:20 PM CST up reply actions
While, I will aqcuiesce and say I apologize if it seemed that I call YOU an apologist, I never actually said that. I said that is what’s been said. However, I’ve been to numerous
ML clinics and I’ve never seen him use a simple “man” blocking scheme. Pass pro or otherwise. So I’ll disagree with you there.
by PBK on Dec 9, 2011 6:10 PM CST via mobile reply actions
you never said whether the rack is real or not... that's what I'm really interested in...
j/k… but his pass pro was man with backs picking up blitzing backers and dbs… don’t know what else to say about that… one of the things NB came out and said early on was that he wanted to switch to a zone scheme… maybe oldschool can back me up on this… he’s commented on it before
totally with you on the rack!
should she be our new game day girl? tough decision. Nah,
stay with the one we already have. Glad to have that cleared
up.
"All I wanted was my icream cone and my little cream soda, oh well, oh well, oh well" White Stripes
Did things suddenly get better or worse?
I hear disagreement about Moore and McElroy, but none about Mounds.
I hope Tubern… has some really good coaches in mind.
Do we still have an OC? How long?
Wall/man scheme?
I assume that is what you mean…but even that is zone “3 for 2/3” on one side with man/“back for blitzes” on the other. I’m pretty sure that it wasn’t a “big on big” straight man scheme. Anywho. I apologize for calling you a Tuby fan, Lord knows that would piss me off more than damn near anything at this point.
by PBK on Dec 9, 2011 7:47 PM CST via mobile reply actions
Well...
Tubs has to fire somebody, unless he fires himself first (which I wish he’d do). Still, Moore seems to be one of his better coachs. It may be better for Moore to go somewhere else, though, since this coaching regime looks to be headed for further disaster. Wish Moore could’ve ended up at WSU—maybe Ruffin could take him.
As with all head coaches after a poor season
Tuberville is pointing fingers to someone other than himself. Moore is a questionable fire because the o-line was way better than the d-line, linebacking or d-backs. I do hope there are replacements in Tub’s mind as it will be tough to intice anyone right now to switch allegiancies. I agree with candyroll, though. He will probably fish around in his old pond to find his next hires. I really don’t think he has had the time to become very familiar with anyone in Texas or the surrounding area to warrent hiring them. Regardless of who he brings in, a winning record next year and a bowl berth are all that can save him. With all the other Big-12 teams looking to be improved next year Tech may find it very difficult to pull out any wins on the road and few of them at home. I am pretty much expecting a similar record next year to what Tech had this year. I actually hope I am wrong and Tech gets to 8 or 9 wins……………hope…………..
TTpilk
"Never, never, never give up." Winston Churchill
It would be more surprising if no terminations occurred.
Might should have happened one level up…….Neil Brown comes to mind. Probably too early on Glasgow (sp).
yes
What assistant coach worth his salt is going to take a “one year job” at TT?
The guys with those skill sets know this thing is going south too quickly to be turned around…and chances are they’ll be on the streets looking for a job next year after Tuberville gets fired.
So what we’ll get is some HS coach or GA looking to make a move up to the college level…..and will once again be learning on the job.
by Bryan Moore on Dec 10, 2011 10:01 AM CST up reply actions
I am not surprised with Moore.
McElroy gave up an HC spot that was pretty nice for him to join the TTU staff, tough call for him.
Mounds…dunno…
Here is hoping the new guys can make some good good for the offense.
Living large in Texas...Texas forever.
Moore?
Just got back in town and I’m shocked. The man that coached “UP” what many
consider the most dominant ol of college football is thrown under the bulldozer. But
then again, its troubleville, so its to be expected. He’s rapidly running out of excuses.
3-9 for next year is sounding optimistic.
"All I wanted was my icream cone and my little cream soda, oh well, oh well, oh well" White Stripes
Yep
Moore is a good coach but I think Tuberville’s business model screwed him up. Moore will land on his feet for sure. I wish he and his family all the best as I enjoyed having seats next to his wife and family.
"You've got to find your inner pirate" - Mike Leach
Yes and if the truth ...........
were knmown, I’d bet Moore was looking for a better program. Tubs bounced on this and
firing him creates the illusion that Moore is/was part ot the problem.
"All I wanted was my icream cone and my little cream soda, oh well, oh well, oh well" White Stripes
what happens if UNM and texas state beat us.
"Oh, yeah. We don't even talk about Bowls much. We're so far away from being a team right now that can have a chance to compete in a Bowl." HC Tommy Tuberville.
I suppose that might be another depth lower than our current state...
But we’re low enough already that it really wouldn’t matter that much…
Kind of like dropping from the 114th ranked defense (2010) to the 115th ranked defense (2011)…
What difference does it really make…?
But, to your point… maybe Moore and coach Mac are really lucky to be getting out of here…
Instead of just wastin’ away again in Tommy Tubberville…
"Transition is hard." - TT
by Houston Raider on Dec 10, 2011 10:24 PM CST up reply actions
It would have been a benefit to us
Those 2 games we sweeked by but more than likely would have resulted in a coaching change if we lost. Maybe. Instead we have to endure another season of this.
"You've got to find your inner pirate" - Mike Leach
I agree....
Just wonder how long it’ll take for Tommy Tuberville to waste away?
Why hasn't he blown away in a dust storm.
"Oh, yeah. We don't even talk about Bowls much. We're so far away from being a team right now that can have a chance to compete in a Bowl." HC Tommy Tuberville.
You would think that with those ears
He couldn,t keep on the ground when the wind picks up a bit. That could also explain his affinity, or fright, towards high winds…..;-)
TTpilk
"Never, never, never give up." Winston Churchill
could also explain....
some of those weird ufo sightings over Lubbock here of late.
"All I wanted was my icream cone and my little cream soda, oh well, oh well, oh well" White Stripes
It isn't just high winds
the air conditioner fans in Dallas created the same effect in the Baylor game.
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