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Multiplicity But Simplicity | Sizing up the Defenses

Way back in 1997, as a defensive coordinator for New Mexico under head coach Dennis Franchione, Gary Patterson wrote a paper about the 4-2-5 defense, Multiplicity But Simplicity: Why the 4-2-5 Defense. This is a seven-part look at the 4-2-5 defense and trying to figure out how it all works.

Part I: Introduction.
Part II: Sizing up the defenses.
Part III: Create offensive confusion at the line of scrimmage.
Part IV: Play with great leverage.
Part V: Establish the eight man front.
Part VI: Establish a pressure package.
Part VII: The five spoke secondary.

Ed. Note:  This past weekend I found a tremendous supplement to the first paper, which is a transcript of a speech that Patterson gave regarding the 4-2-5 defense called, The 4-2 Defensive Package, by Gary Patterson, this too is nothing short of fantastic.  While the first paper is more philosophical, the second is more of a how-to and encourage you to read this as well.  I'll stick with the seven parts outlined above, but will greatly utilize the second paper throughout the rest of the series.

Texas Tech defensive coordinator Chad Glasgow will bring what he learned from Gary Patterson while the Secondary Coach at TCU and bring to Texas Tech the 4-2-5 defense. Head coach Tommy Tuberville hinted that the defense would continue to be a multiple front and truth be told, Texas Tech was running something similar to a 4-2-5 against Houston and Northwestern as Brett Dewhurst and Cody Davis were swinging back and forth between a safety and linebacker spot.

So I was a bit curious about the size of the defense that TCU ran out there this past year because I think there's this perception that the TCU defense is small by most standards.  This led me to take a look at TCU's depth chart for the Rose Bowl game against Wisconsin. Let's take a look at the two-deep for the TCU defense for that game and the Texas Tech defense according to the post spring depth chart:

PositionTCU - 2010
1st Team | 2nd Team
TTU - 2010 Post Spring
1st Team
TTU - 2010 Post Spring
2nd Team
LE: 6-2/260 | 6-6/272 6-0/233 (Sam Fehoko) 6-3/248 (Jackson Richards)
NT: 6-2/305 | 6-2/290 6-2/274 (Donald Langley 6-2/286 (Pearlie Graves)
DT: 6-4/268 | 6-6/272 6-2/265 (Kerry Hyder) 6-3/284 (Lawrence Rumph)
RE: 6-2/250 | 6-3/235 6-1/248 (Dartwan Bush 6-2/230 (Aundrey Barr)
MLB: 6-3/246 | 6-1/238 6-1/231 (Cqulin Hubert) 6-1/234 (Blake Dees)
SLB: 6-3/237 | 6-1/210 6-0/215 (Daniel Cobb) 6-1/205 (Zach Winbush)
SS: 6-0/208 | 6-1/214 6-3/191 (Terrance Bullitt) 5-11/166 (Jared Flannel)
FS: 6-1/212 | 6-1/203 6-0/190 (D.J. Johnson) 6-0/188 (Giorgio Durham)
WS: 6-0/195 | 6-4/210 6-2/194 (Cody Davis) 5-11/197 (Brett Dewhurst)
CB: 6-2/197 | 5-11/200 5-10/174 (Derrick Mays) 5-9/163 (Jeremy Reynolds)
CB: 5-10/181 | 5-10/182 6-0/182 (Tre' Porter) 5-10/189 (Jarvis Phillips)

 

So much more after the jump.

Star-divide

Yes, this is a really simple exercise, but I was curious, I already did the work and I really wanted a comparison.

The Front Four

There are some things that I noticed, feel free to add your own. The front four defensive line for TCU (all figures includes the 2-deep) averages about 269 pounds. The current depth chart (and yes, lots of things can change) for Texas Tech is 258.5 pounds. That's a 10.5 pound difference in an average for TCU. This may be a personnel issue of what was available during the spring versus what may be available during the fall. I'm not a real fan of Fehoko at defensive end and I know that he's played both linebacker and defensive end during the spring. There are plenty of options available for the defensive line positions for 2011 (and this link doesn't include DT Delvon Simmons) and if you don't feel like clicking on the link, I count, including the freshmen who should arrive in the fall, there are 20 options available for defensive end and defensive tackle. The problem is, of course, that the those returning players are unproven.

So right now, I have to wonder whether or not Tuberville and Glasgow intentionally want smaller faster players, or once guys arrive and/or become eligible, will the defense add more size along the line.  If you're asking me, I think things change once some of these guys arrive on campus, and the only freshman defensive lineman that I think plays this next year is Delvon Simmons. I'm fine and would advocate redshirting everyone else.  I'd also add that I think guys like Dennell Wesley and Leon Mackey crack the rotation sooner rather than later and these two players, along with Smith and Simmons, will immediately add some size to the defense, especially if Mackey is at defensive end.

Linebackers

At linebacker, Texas Tech is considerably smaller than what TCU ran out there last year and because I'm still guessing, I think that is absolutely not a question about personnel, but choice. Still, there's a difference of 11.5 pounds between the TCU defense and the Texas Tech defense based off of the 4 players for each team listed.  Nevertheless, I think Tuberville wants the smaller but faster players on the field. This isn't breaking news.  Cobb is a converted safety and Zach Winbush was part of Tuberville's first class and although he was recruited by the former staff, he absolutely fits Tuberville's profile, which is a smaller linebacker that can run.  Hubert and Dees fit what Glasgow probably wants in middle linebacker and I'm fine with this rotation.

Secondary

I won't try to make any size comparisons with the secondary. I have no doubt that the staff wants faster players on the corners as I think there's a reason that Jeremy Reynolds, a true freshman, has already found his way onto the 2-deep. The truth of the matter is that I think there's really only a handful of true cornerbacks on this team: Mays, Phillips, Urell Johnson, Reynolds and Neboh. Porter is a guy that can swing between positions and I think he's listed at cornerback because of the overall lack of depth at cornerback. Incoming players who are cornerbacks include Thierry Nguema, Reynolds and Junior Osunde. I'm not including guys like Otis Wright or J.J. Gaines at this time because I think Wright was initially a grade risk and I'd imagine that they need to figure out where Gaines will play.  I'd still expect them to redshirt. For me, if you have to worry about one position from a depth standpoint, it's cornerback, without a question. There are plenty of bodies to play just about every position, but I still feel that cornerback is a thin position and it's one that has me more concerned than any other position.

With that being said, I think the technique will be different for all of the cornerbacks and I also think that they won't be asked to do as much as last year. The defense should be in quite a bit of zone coverage, which should make the transition a bit easier for these guys. It's not easy running man coverage, Texas Tech fans can attest to that after watching last year.

I'm also not the least big concerned about safety. The one negative I can say about Glasgow right now is he didn't coach the defensive line, but alternately, the positive is that the secondary has been his baby at TCU for a handful of years. I trust he knows what he's doing in the secondary, particularly safety. I love moving D.J. Johnson to a safety position, Bullitt was named quite often during the spring, I think this is going to be the most improved unit on the team.

Speed and Strength

And in a late-breaking event, I've found another, and probably even better paper from Patterson, The 4-2 Defensive Package, by Gary Patterson, which is going to give us all sorts of good things for this series, but in trying to hone in on just one of the principles at a time, this one being the size of the defense, I do want to pull from this paper, how Patterson focuses on the speed and strength of his players and how he likes to convert high school wide receivers to linebackers, linebackers to defensive linemen, etc.  If it hasn't already hit you, this is exactly how Tuberville has operated for a number of years, and as you can see, Tuberville and Glasgow are completely intent on putting as much speed on the field as possible.

This isn't so much a paper as it is a speech that Patterson gives, and littered throughout this are mentions about how he's converting players and how they must not only be fast, but they must be strong.  And if this isn't a simple enough mantra, I don't know what is:

The one thing we recruit on defense is speed.

I think Patterson and Tuberville are long lost brothers.  Here Patterson talks about how he converted a high school linebacker to a defensive tackle, and for reference purposes, a 3 technique is where the defensive tackle is lined up on the outside eye of the guard:

When I get to the film, you will see number 49 at defensive tackle for us.  He was a linebacker when he came out of high school.  He is now 6'1" and 282 pounds and plays a 3 technique.  He probably should play defensive end, but we had no on else to go inside.  He runs 4.6 for the 40-yard dash.  He benched 560 pounds, squatted 700, and power cleaned 475.  But he didn't do that when he came to TCU.

It isn't a surprise that Patterson focuses on the fact that he doesn't just want his guys inside to be strong and fast, he wants his guys in the secondary to be strong because these guys will be taking on offensive linemen:

Last year we had six safeties bench over 400.  If you have to take on 290-pound guards, you better find some way to stay healthy.  When you play an eight-man front, your safeties are going to be in some positions where they have to take on those big people. 

I mentioned above that I was surprised that Cobb is playing linebacker and Tuberville and Glasgow talk about how much Bullitt has improved.  Keep in mind that these guys will be entering their sophomore year.  They are projectable athletes that have room to grow.  I'm sure that Glasgow saw the type of athlete that Bullitt was and told him and Cobb that they not only needed to be bigger, but they needed to be stronger by the start of fall camp. 

And perhaps it's a bit unfair to compare what Patterson has done last year to what Texas Tech has this year.  Patterson has had a decade of figuring out how his players will work in his system, while Tuberville has had a year and a half and Glasgow has had a spring to make a determination as to where he wants players to go.  At the end of the day, I think that Glasgow has essentially said that for this first year, he doesn't so much care about size, but speed can be a tremendous equalizer.  One last bit from Patterson:

One of our defensive ends was a wide receiver in high school.  He is now 6'5" and 270 pounds and runs a 4.59 40-yard dash.  The key to this defense is speed.  Everyone that plays on the defense can run.

Snip.

We feel if we are going to be a top defensive team year after year, we have to average between 4.62 and 4.66 in our top 22 defensive players.  That figure includes defensive linemen as well as defensive backs and linebackers.  When we establish our 40 times, we time our players running in pads.  Our noseguard weighs 275 pounds and runs a 4.9.

Ultimately, this is what Glasgow wants this year. 

He wants a defense that can go sideline to sideline as fast as the personnel will allow.  If there comes a time that the defense is being overwhelmed physically, then he'll have players that can be plugged in to fix that, but ultimately, he wants to be fast.

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15 years ago it was unheard of to see players that big that run that fast.
really impressive.

Whoever said, 'It's not whether you win or lose that counts,' probably lost.

by Techcuz on May 18, 2011 8:51 AM CDT reply actions  

Strength

Does anyone have a gauge for how our players are progressing in the weight room? Benching twice your body weight is impressive and squatting that much without losing speed is incredible.

I’m feeling pretty scrawny after reading that post. The only thing I have lifted so far today is a coffee cup and toilet seat (you’re welcome ladies).

by Remington870 on May 18, 2011 10:03 AM CDT via mobile reply actions  

My mom always said, and I'm not kidding either....

that if you’re in good shape, you should be able to bench double your body weight.

There’s not a chance in hell I’m able to lift 510 lbs. Not today anyway.

Just something to think about.

" Answers --Become Resources."
Without Questions, There are limited Resources...

by KWashburn on May 23, 2011 5:55 AM CDT up reply actions  

Speed

If those who were around then remember, Gabe Rivera ran a 4.7 40. That was extremely fast for that time but will become the norm for this time. If these guys we have can be at or under that time, looooookkkkk oouuuutttt. This defense will be really good.

TTpilk
"Never, never, never give up." Winston Churchill

by TTpilk645 on May 18, 2011 12:29 PM CDT reply actions  

Texas Tech was running something similar to a 4-2-5 against Houston and Northwestern

The Patterson 5-2 speaks to “five spoke secondary,” that alone may be the more significant difference in last season’s efforts vs this season’s.

The lifting goals set by the Patterson philosophy likely match what we are currently doing at TTU. We did change the focus on how we lift with the new weight guy, but I suspect we still expect guys to make goaled improvements. We may be doing something similar with body weight as well. I kind of expect our Spring 2 deep to be heavier and stronger by Fall.

The four two defensive package speech by Patterson is fraught with information, it is well organized and way too much for me to absorb in one sitting. I made it to Tex, ex, and Tex-ex before melt down……

Living large in Texas...Texas forever.

by TallMike on May 18, 2011 12:45 PM CDT reply actions  

just read almsot all of the 4-2-5 article

DANG! packed with information. a lot of the calls they made on D are similar to what i learned in high school. RIp Liz. calls ect….this 4-2-5 D looks awesome! very easy to learn and very easy to adjust to what talent is on the team.

"A job well done is better than a job well said."

by I bleed Red and Black on May 18, 2011 1:57 PM CDT reply actions  

Will our 4-2 D see a lot of "quick count" from offensive coordinators?

A LOT of strategy going on before the snap, looking forward to how Patterson handles an up tempo offense like OU. Will also be fun to watch for the quick count, and see if we really can force the hand of the offense into limiting their playbook.

“The first answer offenses use to combat our movement disguise is to use the quick count. We feel this gives us anadvantage because we are now playing the offensive coordinator not the quarterback. We also feel this limits the size of theirgame plan because we have taken away the audible possibilities at the line of scrimmage.”

"What the hell did you do that for"... Tubs Mom

by raider realist on May 18, 2011 1:58 PM CDT reply actions  

Man how we all have fallen under the spell of great recruiting and the dreams of a crushing defense! The new uniforms and eveything else those glory days of the Air Raid scoring 60pts in all Black for a rowdy night game at the Jones will soon be forgotten, at least for awhile we were all part of a unique type of football.

Hey Tubs this is the Wild West, Good guys wear white, were the Red Raiders we wear BLACK. ..................................................................................................................................................................................................................

Dont buy the Espn/Disney/ABC hype ! Playoffs are just spin to hide their agenda of owning our favorite sport.

by Gus Mitchem on May 18, 2011 3:36 PM CDT reply actions  

I don’t understand this comment. I’m trying to learn about the 4-2-5 defense, and rather than keep what I learn about to myself, I’m writing about it because I thought it was interesting.

Go Raiders . . .
Double-T Nation

by Seth C on May 18, 2011 3:42 PM CDT up reply actions  

who cares about unique football…..i care about…..

as Charlie says, “WINNING!”

"A job well done is better than a job well said."

by I bleed Red and Black on May 18, 2011 3:45 PM CDT up reply actions  

Are we gonna see the GP defense at Tech

Afterall NB runs a spread offense…but as we all saw the quality of that spread was no where near what we were used to. I just don’t want to set up Chad to fail the way some of us set up NB to fail because he ran the Spread too….

"Hope is the raw material of losers." -- Fernando Flores

by Filemon G on May 18, 2011 3:43 PM CDT reply actions  

I should clarify

After a year to study what NB did and comapring stats to other teams..NB did not fail, in reality, just in the minds of those of us expecting the same thing ML ran here…

Clear as mud now??

"Hope is the raw material of losers." -- Fernando Flores

by Filemon G on May 18, 2011 3:45 PM CDT up reply actions  

For me, I realize that Patterson has been at TCU for over a decade and he’s had a decade to recruit and build his defense to be as successful as it is. I haven’t figured out a way to quantify what success will be from my point of view next year, but the defense was abysmal and if it can work its way into the top half of BCS teams, I think that’s fair. Glasgow has never coordinated a defense and he’s never made the calls for the defensive line, which we’ll learn next week that the secondary and defensive lines have separate calls. Glasgow has to have a bit of a leash to figure out what he is and that he shouldn’t try to re-invent the wheel now that he’s a coordinator rather than a position coach. Do what he’s learned under Patterson and I think the rest will be okay.

Go Raiders . . .
Double-T Nation

by Seth C on May 18, 2011 3:49 PM CDT up reply actions  

I agree completely!

I think he is the right man for the job and I think that the 4-2-5 fits with what we can recruit here at Tech. I think we already recruit the type of athletes that can excel in this type of system. I just wanted to point out that we need to give him time and not expect him to run an exact duplicate of what TCU runs. (I understand that you are not trying to do that. I know that you are simply trying to prepare us for what will be our basic look this year and doing it by using the material that is out there.) Chad will be a good one. The other thing I want to point out to people is that we don’t want to get too caught up in the , and pardon me for using quotes, “simplicity” of this defense. I am sure it is far more difficult to teach, learn, and run than some of the material makes it out to be.

We will take our lumps this year. Maybe even similiar to this past season at times and I hate to see us fall apart like some of us (Me) did with NB last year. Truth is, overall, we had the offense to win more games than we did last year, but the defense was truly terrible.

"Hope is the raw material of losers." -- Fernando Flores

by Filemon G on May 18, 2011 3:59 PM CDT up reply actions  

Agreed

The defense was bad last year. But, the prior year the McNeil-led defense was in the top 50. What changed? Philosophy. Many moves that proved to be made with poor judgement by Willis resulted in a devistating year for the defense. Plus, he was intent on making it work and not making the needed moves to improve over the course of a game and the season. The defense Glasgow is implimenting should get Tech back, or close to, where thay were in ’09. At least that is my hope and with the talent now available, that could happen sooner rather than later, like this coming season. Fingers crossed as we near the 105-day mark for a new season to begin. GO TECH!

TTpilk
"Never, never, never give up." Winston Churchill

by TTpilk645 on May 18, 2011 7:11 PM CDT up reply actions  

Agree as well.

I am approaching this season with reserve, but only because I am always wary of transition. Truthfully I am finding it hard not to have higher expectations in spite of myself. While I’d like to keep my enthusiasm in check, I’m having a rough go of it as I expect the defense to be markedly improved. I believe that it’s simply a better system, we had a nice influx of new talent and I’m counting on fewer injuries. What keeps jumping out at me is the fact that our offense should be at least as good as next year – yes we lost our most seasoned QBs, but that is countered by the fact that the system is in it’s second season. If the O is just able to achieve at last years level, but the D jumps up to say 70-80 in the country – I’ve got to believe that we win another game or two. Suddenly – we’re 9-3 or maybe 10-2. That would suddenly be among Tech’s all time better years record wise and theoretically it would be over the course of what could be regarded as a warm up for 2012.

by Dunka on May 19, 2011 11:13 AM CDT up reply actions  

Yep!

"You've got to find your inner pirate" - Mike Leach
"We started too late" - Neal Brown

by Raider1992 on May 18, 2011 8:12 PM CDT up reply actions  

I can

Truthfully say I never got fired up about the jeep….not before the season or during the season….not personally or football wise.
I think tubs took a big fat mulligan and sunk the putt.
With added, albeit young, talent….I at least see us building something as the season goes along. I thought last year was one big turd defensively.
The 4-2-5 and Chad have my hopes high, oddly enough it’s the 2 portion of that I’m most concerned about.

"Trust your gut....mine always finds good Mexican food"
-Me

by oldschoolraider on May 18, 2011 9:47 PM CDT via mobile reply actions  

Im liking what I see

I never liked the idea or running the 3-4 in college and glad to see Tubbs make this move to a 4-2-5, speed is the name of the game

by CaribbeanRaider on May 19, 2011 7:54 AM CDT reply actions  

I love the holistic approach he discusses.

His description of how they choose and then manage the players they get is flat out awesome. For the first time, I have a clue as to how TCU has managed to achieve so much while at such a disadvantage.

by Dunka on May 19, 2011 1:54 PM CDT reply actions  

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