DTN Daily Diatribe | Texas Tech News, Notes and Links | 2011-07-28
by Seth C on Jul 28, 2011 6:05 AM CDT
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TEXAS TECH FOOTBALL
Meet The Two-Deep: Daniel Cobb - TEXAS TECH OFFICIAL ATHLETIC SITE
This is the profile from Tuesday and you can watch Cobb on YouTube.
Meet The Two-Deep: Beau Carpenter - TEXAS TECH OFFICIAL ATHLETIC SITE
This is the profile from yesterday and you can watch Carpenter on YouTube.
THSCA Notebook: UT coach feels good about line, Gilmer’s Snow - Longview News-Journal: High Schools
Strange that there was some news in the Longview News-Journal about Texas Tech, but there are a handful of notes here. LT Terry McDaniel is expected to compete at left tackle, right guard or be the first guy off the bench. LaDarrin "Pete" Robertson, an incoming freshman, was the all-everything for his Longview team last year, playing quarterback, will be on defense per DC Chad Glasgow:
"We don’t know for sure where he’ll go," Glasgow said. "He could be a safety, or he could be a linebacker-type guy."
DE Christopher Knighton is supposedly up to 270 pounds, also per Glasgow, and could play inside or outside along the defensive line. The official roster still says he's at 248. And incoming transfer, K Ryan Bustin, from Kilgore will compete for the kicking job, which is allegedly wide open. I hope so.
RedRaiderSports.com - Roster Countdown: Nos. 39-30
The roster countdown continues with Brett Dewhurst, Eugene Neboh, Aaron Crawford, J.J. Gaines, Kenny Williams, Arlan Waller, Chris Yeakey and Tanner Foster.
Jamar Wall back in Philly with Eagles - MyPlainview.com: Sports
Good to see former Red Raiders employed in the NFL.
BIG 12 MISCELLANEOUS
# Big 12 Media Days: Day One Links - Rock M Nation
# Big 12 Media Days: Day Two Links - Rock M Nation
These are the best recaps of the Big 12 Media Days on the internets. If you want to read about another team, this is where you need to start.
High school games on Pac-12 Network? | Bohl Games
AAS's Kirk Bohls writes that he talked with Pac-12 Commissioner Larry Scott, who said if the Longhorn Network can show high school games, the Pac-12 Network will also want to do the same thing. Additionally, he said that the LHN would be an impediment to UT joining the Pac-12:
"I think you could certainly imply that, with the news that we’re going to announce tonight," Scott said in a phone interview from Bristol, Conn. "The Longhorn Network would be certainly a huge impediment."
Breaking It Down: Big 12 Linebacker Position Rankings - Crimson And Cream Machine
CACM has the Texas Tech linebackers at #9, which is about right considering the Texas Tech linebackers are young and inexperienced.
COLLEGE FOOTBALL MISCELLANEOUS
A Suspended Well-Rested ESPN Columnist Is Back (But No Tweets Yet) | SportsGrid
Bruce Feldman is back writing, but he's still not on Twitter.
SB Nation Conference Re-Draft: Ten Rounds Complete, 11th Round In Progress - BC Interruption
After 11 rounds and 61 picks, Texas Tech was finally picked in the great conference re-draft project. I'd be curious as to what you all think about Texas Tech going where they went, and saying that the people picking obviously had a bias against Texas Tech isn't a valid talking-point.
TEXAS TECH BASKETBALL
# David Salinas had taken step back from AAU scene - CBSSports.com
# Houston AAU coach David Salinas - 08.01.11 - SI Vault
If you want to know how David Salinas allegedly defrauded millions then read the SI.com article. This is both shocking and sad. There are a lot of people, coaches and even a church that lost a lot of money with Salinas.
# Scout.com: Cameron Forte Profile | Cameron Forte - Yahoo! Sports | Cameron Forte 2011 Basketball Recruiting Profile - ESPN
# Cameron Forte Basketball Profile - McClintock 10-11 - MaxPreps
# Cameron Forte Dunking - YouTube | C-smooth dunk over kid - YouTube | McClintock Basketball - YouTube
# Forte leads All-Tribune boys basketball team | VarsityXtra - Arizona High School Sports | azcentral.com blogs - Richard Obert - Richardobert - Magic Pump N Run roll into Duel
# VX Boys Basketball: 10 players to watch | VarsityXtra - Arizona High School Sports
I didn't have much time yesterday, but posted a very quick FanShot, that SF Cameron Forte, has committed to Texas Tech and will be part of the 2011 class, which means that he should be on campus right now, or very soon. Forte is a 6-5 to 6-7 small forward or shooting guard, who was a prolific scorer in high school last year, averaging 36 PPG and 12 RPG. Despite the numbers, I'm thinking that Forte never got a real offer, which sounds crazy that a kid that averages 36 PPG and has some decent athleticism doesn't get an offer he likes. Before the season, he was the #2 player to watch in the Tempe area:
2. Cameron Forte, forward, McClintock: The smooth point forward can sometimes get lackadaisical, but when he’s motivated, he’s very tough to stop. The crafty left-hander knows how to score in the paint, and uses his length to get plenty of rebounds.
And as I've mentioned previously, I thought I had solved Texas Tech's roster crunch (here and here), but with the addition of Cameron, I'm not sure.
MISCELLANEOUS
Patagonia Time Lapse Video on Vimeo
When I was at Texas Tech, I had a Spanish teacher (I was only 3 hours away from a minor) that was from Columbia who said, "Va a la Patagonia," and it was supposedly slang in South America for, "Go to Hades," because it is supposedly a barren place. I've always thought it looks beautiful and you could send me a lot of places worse than the Patagonia Mountain Range.
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Patagonia
Seth,
I would bet that the slang arises from military camps on Patagonia during World War II. Though better than being in combat, they were disgusting, stinking, muddy, misserable, diseased places to live, definately not the Pacific island paradise that a vacationer experiences living in an air conditioned, seaside bungalo with a maid and bar tender.
OOPS!
A little research taught me that there is a Patagonia in So. America. I guess that is what you are talking about. Don’t know anything about that. Sorry!
You’re right, was talking about the Patagonia Mountains in Argentina (I think that’s where they’re located). Good to know about the military camps, learn something new everyday.
Go Raiders . . .
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Tech being picked 61st in a realignment draft
Seems way to low based on the football team’s success over the last decade. But if you view it as a reflection of the new world of four 16 team mega conferences being hammered into shape in fits and starts, that means Tech gets one of the last 5 spots in one of the 4 mega-conferences. And that seems to be the perception of Tech outside Raider Nation. Which is: IF Texas or Oklahoma bring us along in any realignment, we are in. On our own, the perception is we are not an attractive candidate. I think we remain attractive to a future Pac 16. The SEC wouldn’t want us & we already know what the Big 10 think of us. So as annoying as it is to drop all the way to the low 60’s, that’s probably where we fall in the national perception rankings. At least we fell under the 64 teams that will make up the 4 mega conferences.
If you're talking to Coach Rainman, whatever you do don't bring up the subject of weather.
Every move
We make should have the PAC 10 in mind…if we need to recycle more, eat more tofu or have a surfing degree….let’s do it.
Cheerleader tryouts should definitely include fuzzy sweaters…even in 110 degrees.
"Trust your gut....mine always finds good Mexican food"
-Me
by oldschoolraider on Jul 28, 2011 7:31 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Bless the footbll gods;
Can’t wait.
"I feel sorry for the guys," Tech head coach Tommy Tuberville said. "They fought hard tonight. We didn't look good on offense or defense at times, and at times we looked pretty good. It's just, I don't know. Weird game.
This brings to light why Tier 1 status would be helpful.
The discussions are about more than just football to be sure. Still, it would be interesting to see where we would have gone if this had been done between the 2008 and 2009 season’s, just to get an idea of how much current prowess played into our place. If Tubs ends up proving he is Leach’s equal or better, does that change where we would fall by much? If Gillispie is a perennial visitor to the Sweet 16 would that change our profile that much? You’d have to think that if we achieve Tier 1, Tubs succeeds and Gillispie rocks we’d jump up quite a bit. At the same time, it’s hard to change people’s intrenched ideas on these things.
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Harvey "Big Daddy" Pollitt: "What's that smell in this room? Didn't you notice it, Brick? Didn't you notice a powerful and obnoxious odor of mendacity in this room?"
A lot of this also has to do with gross mis-marketing by Tech itself.
The Longhorns will tell anyone that they can bring the DFW, Houston, San Antonio, Austin, and El Paso television markets to a conference. The Aggies will claim DFW and Houston. Oklahoma will claim OKC and DFW.
Everyone says Lubbock and Amarillo are Tech’s markets, and our school does a crappy job of pointing out that we have a large presence in DFW, San Antonio, El Paso, Albuquerque, and the entirety of West Texas. Until Tech starts selling itself, the rest of the country has no reason to think otherwise.
by RedRaiderForLife95 on Jul 28, 2011 9:07 AM CDT up reply actions
yep.
Enter Tubs the used car salesman
The best part of waking up is DTN my cup.
by I bleed Red and Black on Jul 28, 2011 9:15 AM CDT up reply actions
Agree. (and with Raider1992 below)
The new AD, Tubs and Gillispie represent the modern era of major college athletics very well. Gerald just wasn’t equipped to keep up with the times – and that is more than likely another big factor as to why Tech is not thought of more highly on a national level. Gerald was a good “insider” on NCAA stuff, but was not a very good “Face” for PR and PR related decisions.
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Harvey "Big Daddy" Pollitt: "What's that smell in this room? Didn't you notice it, Brick? Didn't you notice a powerful and obnoxious odor of mendacity in this room?"
Keep in mind
that we still have the mentally and dentally challenged chancellor that will jump in and screw the pouch if good things are on the horizon.
"The trouble with our Liberal friends is not that they are ignorant, it's just they know so much that isn't so" Ronald Reagan
by FriscoRaider on Jul 28, 2011 9:28 AM CDT up reply actions
Nice one.
dentally challenged…………….can I use that?
"As we continue to merely "talk about championships""
Not sure who I stole that from, but feel free to repeat it loudly and often.
"The trouble with our Liberal friends is not that they are ignorant, it's just they know so much that isn't so" Ronald Reagan
by FriscoRaider on Jul 28, 2011 11:37 AM CDT up reply actions
+1
Mentally and dentally challenged
Worth a beer at two brothers
"Trust your gut....mine always finds good Mexican food"
-Me
by oldschoolraider on Jul 29, 2011 8:58 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
every now and then
I read some comment on here that really cracks me up, “dentally challenged” – almost choked on my coffee- well played
"Every normal man must be tempted at times to spit on his hands, hoist the black flag, and begin to slit throats."
- H.L. Mencken
I think the new AD is going to be whole lot more savvy now than when discussions came up before. Gerald was out of his league and I feel much better now that we have some outside the loop leadership in that position.
"You've got to find your inner pirate" - Mike Leach
"We started too late" - Neal Brown
If done after 2008
I agree, we’d definitely have placed higher, if only because the conference that selected us took TCU three rounds earlier because of THEIR “football prowess”. I’m disappointed that this is how things look to people outside of Lubbock right now (from the page of our drafter):
Texas Tech would be a fine conference mate for TCU, and would give us the second- and fourth-best football programs in that state. Yeah, it’s the Horns’ state, but building this rivalry into the conference gives us at least one game that Texans would probably want to watch, and last we checked, there’s a LOT of Texans. Decent option here, but the academics are a joke, so is the basketball, and we might still be bitter about the Mike Leach firing.
Looks like Tier 1 can’t come fast enough. (-_-) We can’t afford to be below TCU in the “power rankings” for very long.
meant to emphasize that we're "4th best in Texas" to many people also
BTW, Seth, thanks for linking the BCI page showing the board, I actually went looking for something like that yesterday wondering how the draft was going. While it’s an interesting idea, I think the implementation of it to keep anyone who doesn’t read the six drafter blogs leaves a lot to be desired.
(also, looking at the lists, A&M is in a strong football conference, maybe the strongest of those 6, but I am REALLY unimpressed (at LEAST from a sports team perspective) with the conference UT is in. They look to really make noise in “March Madness”, but they’d be pretty crappy in the fall, altho Texas would probably have an easy shot to the conference championship each year, so they’d probably love it)
Looking at some of these picks...
I have to call BS. I’m going to stay away from where I think Tech should be on this list, because I’m biased, and there are plenty of other glaring “WTH?!?” to not have to go there.
If UCLA and North Carolina (and to a lesser degree Louisville) are picked in the third round, there is no way Duke, Kansas, and Kentucky wait until the 6th round. I also think there’s no chance at all that Michigan State gets picked ahead of any of those three.
There is no way that Colorado, or Hawaii should be on the board yet, and I could make an argument about South Florida, Oregon State, and Vanderbilt too. Baylor, Rutgers, Wake Forest, and Iowa St all have better overall athletic departments than those two, and all have as good or better academics than all of them except Vandy.
LSU picked ahead of Notre Dame is a bit of a stretch.
by RedRaiderForLife95 on Jul 28, 2011 11:57 AM CDT up reply actions
"If Tubs ends up proving he is Leach’s equal or better"
Big if…………huge.
"As we continue to merely "talk about championships""
This whole draft exercise
strikes me as meaningless and a colossal waste of time. And if that reflects shortcomings on my part, I’m ok with that.
I don't know about way too low
but lower than I would have thought. I would have picked Tech in the middle rounds (6 or 7 maybe) versus later rounds.
"entrenched" ideas.
Sigh.
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Harvey "Big Daddy" Pollitt: "What's that smell in this room? Didn't you notice it, Brick? Didn't you notice a powerful and obnoxious odor of mendacity in this room?"
Wall
Glad he is back on with philly. I read on tweeter him and batch gearing up for a meeting this season. Hope they both make their respective squads.
The best part of waking up is DTN my cup.
by I bleed Red and Black on Jul 28, 2011 7:58 AM CDT reply actions
Random side note:
Finished “Sing your Sword” last monday. Everyone should take note that I am mentioned on page 248.
"As we continue to merely "talk about championships""
I haven't read it (yet)
but my brother is reading it, and told me some of the things Leach was saying about that situation with RMK. I’d like to think it isn’t true, but unfortunately, it makes way too much sense, and all of the peripheral evidence we’ve all seen meshes completely with Leach’s spin on it.
If it is true, then it just illustrates again why Myers was the worst AD in Tech’s history. Knight would have never had that kind of influence without Myers.
by RedRaiderForLife95 on Jul 28, 2011 11:25 AM CDT up reply actions
Odd isn't it
that in the new Orwellian Texas Tech, where wrong is right and down is really up that Myers is given a place of honor and Leach has been expunged from the record.
"The trouble with our Liberal friends is not that they are ignorant, it's just they know so much that isn't so" Ronald Reagan
by FriscoRaider on Jul 28, 2011 11:50 AM CDT up reply actions
And
Madam James is on scholarship
"Trust your gut....mine always finds good Mexican food"
-Me
by oldschoolraider on Jul 30, 2011 7:53 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
RMK comes off almost as badly as Hance and James senior
Leach gives Knight his due credit as a BB coach, but obviously didn’t appreciate the double standard on behavior by Tech coaches.
I’m about half way through the book. It’s very entertaining so far. Loved Mike peeing on the dog!
"You've got to find your inner pirate" - Mike Leach
"We started too late" - Neal Brown
His description of Death Valley is spot on as well
"As we continue to merely "talk about championships""
Dang it...
this was supposed to go under blackbeard’s random side note.
by Techsaninutah on Jul 28, 2011 2:15 PM CDT up reply actions
I am reading
It via kindle and page 248 of the print version isn’t marked….I am pissed I can’t find your reference. Any idea page on kindle?
"Trust your gut....mine always finds good Mexican food"
-Me
by oldschoolraider on Jul 29, 2011 9:03 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
It would seem that the better question to ask, with regards to the college draft, is why Texas Tech, compared with the other schools with similar disadvantages, did not go as high as those schools. Iowa, Oklahoma St. etc… It is not Texas Tech’s fault it is located on the West Texas Plains or does not receive the state funding UT or A&M does, but none the less schools with similar problems as Tech are ranked much higher. It is probably better for us to ignore all the other schools we know have built in advantages and focus on why the others, with similar issues, have more of nationally than Tech. I know this post has provided little in substantive solutions to why Tech is perceived by SBNation blog as the 61st pick out of college teams, but it would seem that a good start is to evaluate why those teams with similar disadvantages are ranked much higher.
by willthetechfan on Jul 28, 2011 10:45 PM CDT reply actions
I do not mean to take public opinion, which I’ll take as the SBnation blog post, as equivalent with how reality would play out, i.e., involving money and especially politics.
by willthetechfan on Jul 28, 2011 10:58 PM CDT up reply actions
Most of the answer is in this block quote.
Decent option here, but the academics are a joke, so is the basketball, and we might still be bitter about the Mike Leach firing.
It seems as though those teams either have a better basketball program, are perceived to have better academics, are currently better in football – or some combination of all of those that these guys thought put Tech at 61st. As noted earlier and as evidenced by OKST – current football record seems to have a big role.
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Harvey "Big Daddy" Pollitt: "What's that smell in this room? Didn't you notice it, Brick? Didn't you notice a powerful and obnoxious odor of mendacity in this room?"
Also – a handful are likely just flat out “homer” picks. I think any one who has been a Tech fan for more than 15 years understands how that works.
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Harvey "Big Daddy" Pollitt: "What's that smell in this room? Didn't you notice it, Brick? Didn't you notice a powerful and obnoxious odor of mendacity in this room?"
it's interesting...
And probably relevant that NONE of the drafters are Big12 (even PreSplit) blogs. I’m not claiming bias, but I’m just saying that the level of attention given to anyone beyond the biggest 3 school (UT, OU, Neb) is probably minimal at best. Kansas was obviously picked for hoops prowess (and in a grand display of how important that is, went 35th overall). A&M likely was the “Texas consolation prize” (I find our rank in overall Texas (4th) more annoying than our rank in overall Big 12 (9th or 7th depending on where you put NE and CO)).
Based on reader comments on the blog that picked em, I ASSUME (can’t find drafter comments like for our drafter) Oklahoma State got picked thru a mix of this year’s expectations and T. Bonne Pickens’ money. I assume Colorado and Missouri are pretty much “TV markets”.
BTW, TCU & Boise State’s positions are primary reasons I think we’d be better off (long term, obviously it’d be bad SHORT term) outside of the Big12-2, even if it means a stint in the MWC. (and yes, I do realize that first year or two would sting the budget REALLY badly)
With the defection of Utah, BYU and TCU, Boise State is the only remaining non AQ national power
And I would expect them to jump at an AQ conference invite if they could swing it. The difference in income under the new TV contracts is on the order of 10 to 1. The era of any non AQ school remaining competivive while bringing in one tenth the money of the major conference schools is rapidly closing. Texas Tech winding up in the MWC would be an unmitigated disaster for Texas Tech athletics.
If you're talking to Coach Rainman, whatever you do don't bring up the subject of weather.
Interesting to see....
… which non AQ team(s) start going undefeated as a result of TCU, BYU and Utah being gone, and Boise moving over. In some ways it’s all relative. This simply opens the door for a new (questionable) power team. Someone will eventually step in to the void – TV contracts be damned – and the press will give those guys huge amounts of press for the controversy alone. In many ways, it is because of the press attention that TCU, BYU, Utah and Boise have been able to maintain what was once a hit or miss proposition. Free advertising steered many very good players their way and established them as the top non-AQ programs. Now Boise and some other soon to be determined lucky programs own that market.
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Harvey "Big Daddy" Pollitt: "What's that smell in this room? Didn't you notice it, Brick? Didn't you notice a powerful and obnoxious odor of mendacity in this room?"
It's mostly a MWC & Boise phenomenon
The schools that go undefeated in the east & central minor conferences aren’t perceived as being powers. One year Buffalo is undefeated, the next year it’s Cincinnati. Houston gets on a roll one year & Tulsa another. Mostly those schools act as proving grounds for the next generation of hot head coaching candidates. A team goes undefeated & Notre Dame grabs their HC. Which doesn’t do the school a whole lot of good.
If you're talking to Coach Rainman, whatever you do don't bring up the subject of weather.
For the most part, I find it easy to accept your logic.
On the other hand, as long as there is a BSC type system in place, I can just as easily believe that there will always be a team or two on the outside that the media will rally behind. It will create a recruiting advantage that helps those schools to stay on top of their conferences. (Big fish, little pond) If they begin to go undefeated every year, It’s not that hard for me to imagine they will get better in spite of coaching changes. In those conferences, if one team has superior talent, it can be by a great margin and make a lot of young coaches look smart.
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Harvey "Big Daddy" Pollitt: "What's that smell in this room? Didn't you notice it, Brick? Didn't you notice a powerful and obnoxious odor of mendacity in this room?"
We wouldn't even be having this conversation if Utah loses to Alabama in the Sugar Bowl
That’s when the national media started taking the top MWC teams seriously. The 1st half of the battle was getting non AQ teams invited to BCS Bowls. But winning those games is a whole other ballgame. It’s like the NFL & AFL after 2 Super Bowls dominated by Green Bay. Once the Jets defeated the Colts in Super Bowl III, everybody started taking the AFL teams seriously for the first time. Anyway my suspision is that the minor conferences are going to become very, very minor as TV Revenue begins to dominate the sport. Which is starting to really happen as we speak.
Watching the Pac 12 announce their conference cable network this week made me sick. Why isn’t Dan Beebe starting a Big 12 Network? I heard him in a radio interview using the excuse that the conference members voted it down in 2007 and that is that. In 2007 nobody knew there was 20 million dollars plus per school in extra revenue from a cable network. Now they do. And Beebe sits on his hands.
If you're talking to Coach Rainman, whatever you do don't bring up the subject of weather.
Could be. We'll know soon enough.
Also -
I don’t know Beebe from Adam or really care about the guy at all, but he doesn’t have nearly the latitude that he is attributed. I do think it’s worth pointing out that Beebe can’t make OU and A&M play nice. I can’t image that anyone else would hold out for their own network. (Well, maybe MO – because they are delusionally self important, and possibly Kansas for BB) But I have great confidence that those two are the main reason why Beebe still hasn’t formed a network. Could very well be that the networks have already made it clear to Beebe that they won’t pay squat for a Big 12 network that doesn’t include the top 3 fan bases. I don’t see where he can do anything about it.
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Harvey "Big Daddy" Pollitt: "What's that smell in this room? Didn't you notice it, Brick? Didn't you notice a powerful and obnoxious odor of mendacity in this room?"
It just feels like the train is leaving the station - The SEC, Big 10 & Pac 12 are all aboard
And the Big 12 is facing the parking lot admiring the cars.
If you're talking to Coach Rainman, whatever you do don't bring up the subject of weather.
That I do agree with.
I believe if the Big12 had come out of the gate with the same rules as the Big 10 – we would have been unshakable. As it is, this everyman for himself mantra is going to be what kills the golden goose.
To throw out one of my favorite quotes from Hunt for Red October, we may well say to UT or A&M or OU someday soon:
You arrogant ass. You’ve killed us!
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