DTN Daily Diatribe | Texas Tech News, Notes and Links | 2011-09-15
by Seth C on Sep 15, 2011 5:59 AM CDT
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Thanks for keeping things going yesterday. Some of these links may be repeats or already posted on DTN.
TEXAS TECH FOOTBALL
Locksley, Lobos hope to put struggles behind them this weekend | Red Raiders
New Mexico head coach Mike Locksley talks about what he wants to do on offense:
"We’re going to take what the defense gives us," Locksley said. "Part of our philosophy is the zone read, and the defense dictates who the ball carrier is going to be. If they decide to make the quarterback the primary ball carrier, then obviously our quarterback will play a vital role in the running game."
Red Raiders Football Notebook: Gearing up for grass | Red Raiders
Meh. Nothing new here except that the team is going to be playing on grass, weather talk and players are getting over a stomach virus.
VIDEO: Red Raiders ready to see improvement after off week | Red Raiders
Didn't get a chance to watch the video this morning.
ABQJournal Sports " Ex-La Cueva Star Daniels Ready To Face Lobos
RB Ronnie Daniels says that he's going to play a lot on Saturday:
"I’ll be playing," he says. "I’ll be playing a lot."
He says the Red Raiders are not overlooking UNM.
"We’ve got to play our game," Daniels says. "Let’s not beat ourselves. We know they will try to bring everything. We know their scheme, we know what they’ll do. We pretty much know all about them."
Rivals | Olin Buchanan | Week 3 preview in the Big 12
Always enjoy Buchanan's previews.
Scout.com: Texas Tech D Ready For Next Test
Cram has a different way to look at the defensive numbers from yesterday:
Texas State ran 20 plays for 86 yards and put up 10 points in the first two drives while chewing nearly the entire clock in the first quarter. Then once the Red Raiders defense started to contain the option, the Bobcats only had 51 plays for 201 yards over the final 11 drives resulting in no points, four turnovers and a safety . That’s an average of just 4.6 plays and 18.2 yards per drive. They were held to 13 yards or less on six of the 11 drives.
TEXAS TECH BASKETBALL
Texas Tech Announces 2011-12 Basketball Schedule - Texas Tech Red Raiders Official Athletic Site
I don't know that I have much to add other than the Big 12 is going to be really tough.
COLLEGE FOOTBALL
The Shame of College Sports - Magazine - The Atlantic
This is a must-read if you want to know what's wrong with college sports. It's going to be something that you'll want to bookmark as it's going to take you some time, but its incredibly well-written.
This Week In Schadenfreude: Notre Dame Is Dead (Again) - SBNation.com
I always enjoy this.
CONFERENCE REALIGNMENT
Big 12 schools face economic impact of shuffling - ESPN
(Hat-tip centex) This is good and it's true as Katz gives examples of teams like Iowa St. and Kansas St. counting on that Big 12 money in order to make improvements. I loathe conference realignment and it appears that it's becoming nasty. Katz ends his article with this quote:
"Who can you trust now? It's so unfortunate that it has come to this," said a source with knowledge of the Big 12's situation. "Everyone is working independently. No one is being straight with anyone anymore."
I absolutely believe that no one is working together.
Chuck Carlton (ChuckCarltonDMN) on Twitter
Some interesting links from Carlton yesterday, who talked with ESPN's Kirk Herbstreit:
Kirk Herbstreit on a conference call today, when asked about the Big 12's turmoil: "I think it all has to do with Texas. Herbstreit mentioned frustration "from the other members – that Texas gets preferential treatment, that Texas is kind of like the alpha. Herbstreit on Texas A&M: "I think the other members are looking at this Longhorn Network and probably thinking that was the final straw."
Is Herbstreit the first ESPN anchor/reporter/personality that has said that it's Texas' fault for the whole conference realignment issue?
ACC, It’s Easy as 1, 2, 3 Hundred Million for Texas " FRANK THE TANK’S SLANT
Frank takes a look at the positive and negative consequences of a possible move to the ACC. The biggest reason why I'm posting this is that the only things I've read are positive things for Texas' move to the ACC.
Texas drove everyone away, now begging for ACC acceptance - NCAA Football - Sporting News
Saving the best for last. I don't usually blockquote so much, but in this case I am and I'm asking that you click on the link even if you don't read the entire article:
Nebraska saw it first in the summer of 2010, and left for the Big Ten. Then again, Tom Osborne knew it all along. At some point, the Texas ego would black hole everyone.
It was Osborne who was the lone public voice of displeasure back in the 1990s, when the Big Eight absorbed teams from the troubled Southwest Conference during the evolution of the Big 12—yet all the league power moved south. Even the league offices were moved from Kansas City to Dallas.
"We were, in essence, saving them," Osborne told me earlier this summer. "That certainly was a thorn of sorts that never really went away."
And this is what the ACC wants?
It was hard enough to invite Miami, Virginia Tech and Boston College in the early 2000s, with some longtime basketball coaches and administrators having to be dragged into the 21st Century. There still are hard feelings about the last ACC expansion, especially considering the limited impact it had on the ACC’s football standing—and the zero impact it had on the league’s storied basketball history.
Now throw We’re Texas And You’re Not into that mix. Watch Texas make millions upon millions with its Longhorn Network, and eventually suck the very life out of the league.
For those who believe that Texas, Virginia Tech, Miami and Florida State could eventually develop into an SEC-type foursome, we give you this: Texas, Oklahoma, Texas A&M and Nebraska were there before you.
Now one team is playing in the Big Ten, one is headed for the SEC, and one has its sights on the Pac-12.
And one is standing on the corner of burnt orange and karma.
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Herbstreit
First of all I’m amazed he said anything bad about Texas. He has always spoken like Texas was the only school worth following in the Big 12. No matter how good a challenger’s chances against the Horns, Herbie always picks the Horns to win. And it was this way long before the Longhorn Network.
Maybe the higher ups at ESPN finally issued the edict that we can’t keep pointing at dogs & calling them cats. At some point when the rest of the world knows full well that we are dealing with dogs only, ESPN is going to subject itself to ridicule by insisting they are really cats.
The Big 12 is dying & the reason it’s dying is because of ESPN & the Longhorn Network. More specifically it was when ESPN started bullying other conference members to get what they wanted for their new property. How long can ESPN stand there with a bloody hand holding a bloody dagger asking people “I just got here, what happened to the dead guy with all the stab wounds?”.
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Herby can say what he wants, he is one of the few who can find another job.
And today there is no one with any more clout than Musburger and Herbstreit. While they have their differences, they would go to bat for each other.
Everyone knows that Texas is a Conference Killer.
Finally, The Thorns may get their due.
"I feel sorry for the guys," Tech head coach Tommy Tuberville said. "They fought hard tonight. We didn't look good on offense or defense at times, and at times we looked pretty good. It's just, I don't know. Weird game.
A slightly different possibility
Could this be the first indication by ESPN that they’re getting ready to drop LHN? Maybe they are getting ready to tell Texas that the network is essentially a non-starter, and ESPN is cutting its losses before they get worse.
by RedRaiderForLife95 on Sep 15, 2011 8:15 AM CDT up reply actions
With all the clutter about realignment, is there any news about who is carrying TLN other than Grande Comm.
It seems way to early for both The Thorns and the Evil Empire to give up on their corporate takeover. More importantly, did the Thorns fall victim to The Evil Empire desire to dissolve the Big 12 to get more inventory.
Think about this for a minute, the Big 12 had OU, Nebraska, UT, ATM, OSU, UM, and TTU, and while CU has been down for several years, that was a hell of a batting order. The Thorns really pissed everyone off.
Nice legacy Dodds.
"I feel sorry for the guys," Tech head coach Tommy Tuberville said. "They fought hard tonight. We didn't look good on offense or defense at times, and at times we looked pretty good. It's just, I don't know. Weird game.
Makes me miss the Captain Today; good find.
Tubbys Wednesday practice presser, weather was a factor today. Did not think the kids would do well, but they were spirited. And don’t forget the grass, it is slick in Albq. Hope we don’t play in tennis shoes.
"I feel sorry for the guys," Tech head coach Tommy Tuberville said. "They fought hard tonight. We didn't look good on offense or defense at times, and at times we looked pretty good. It's just, I don't know. Weird game.
Now one team is playing in the Big Ten, one is headed for the SEC, and one has its sights on the Pac-12.
And one is standing on the corner of burnt orange and karma
Love it. Made my morning. Thanks, Seth!
Now, onward with the job search.
"Why not us?" '04+'07='11.
I actually believe in Tommy Tuberville.
Herbstreit perpetuates the stereotype football players look good but are stupid
Kirk Herbstreit on a conference call today, when asked about the Big 12’s turmoil: "I think it all has to do with Texas. Herbstreit mentioned frustration "from the other members – that Texas gets preferential treatment, that Texas is kind of like the alpha. Herbstreit on Texas A&M: “I think the other members are looking at this Longhorn Network and probably thinking that was the final straw.”
He misses the point completely and the fact that everyone is talking about UT being forced out in the cold by their own actions. They aren’t the alpha. TCU showed you can be successful away from UT, A&M is running from UT as fast as they can and UT is powerless to stop them, and now it appears Tech is leaving them and UT is desperately trying to convince Tech to join them in the ACC.
At this point it is extremely obvious that all the preferential treatment UT got is exactly what cost UT everything they wanted. UT wanted to be the big dog in a conference, and was for 15 years. Eventually, most of the others decided to leave for better deals elsewhere.
UT has to admit they were wrong and dump their network and follow OU, OSU, and Texas Tech, which they will never do, join the ACC and maybe bring TCU or Baylor with them for close games, or go independent.
I would agree except that I would say; the only way the Big 12 Survies is to:
1. Turn the LHN into Big 12 Network
2. Equal Revenue Sharing.
None of which The Thorns will ever agree to, so I hope Hance and Bailey have already applied for WSL membership.
"I feel sorry for the guys," Tech head coach Tommy Tuberville said. "They fought hard tonight. We didn't look good on offense or defense at times, and at times we looked pretty good. It's just, I don't know. Weird game.
A couple of more links. One from the West Coast who is not John Wilner.
Eugene, Oregon Register Guard’s George Schroeder (this was written on Monday, and it’s a bit dated, but just wanted to throw it out there):
* Highly placed sources continue to say Oklahoma and Oklahoma State would receive invitations even if Texas wasn’t a possibility. There would be some internal carping from Pac-12 schools, but Scott has the votes to expand. The Pac-12 would expand by two schools without concern for when it might add more (or which schools it might add to get to 16).
* Texas won’t be joining the Pac-12 unless the Longhorns agree to shed their new Longhorn Network, and so far that isn’t an option they’re willing to discuss.
* Expect Scott to make a pitch to Texas, though. He’ll lay out the possibilities for Texas, including how a regional network (shared in this case with Texas Tech) under the Pac-12 Network umbrella would provide exposure and revenue. (A source suggested the Pac-12 could immediately solve the distribution problems Texas currently has with cable providers not wanting to add the Longhorn Network.)
* Texas’ other options if longtime rivals Texas A&M and Oklahoma (as well as Oklahoma State) aren’t great. Texas could remain in a seriously weakened Big 12, go independent or perhaps work some deal with the ACC (which might allow Texas to keep its network). But Pac-12 types believe Texas might eventually decide the Pac-12 (-14, -16) made the most sense.
NewsOK’s Berry Tramel (from today):
So what if Texas is bluffing? What if Texas is trying to convince the Sooners that it really would go to the ACC. Would go join a league with Boston College and Virginia and Wake Forest, and threaten the very existence of the OU-Texas game? What if the ‘Horns want to scare the Sooners into rethinking this idea of leaving the Big 12?
Or what if Texas if trying to wangle a better deal with the Pac-12? What if the Longhorns have decided that the Pac is their best option, even if it’s not a perfect landing, but to leverage commissioner Larry Scott, Texas is making noise about the ACC?
Doesn’t that seem as plausible as the Longhorns signing up for a Pikepass on Tobacco Road?
Go Raiders . . .
Double-T Nation
I don't think it's a case if the Thorns are bluffing, but more is OU bluffing.
There seems to be a common thread throughout, and that is, it’s all for one, and one for all.
"I feel sorry for the guys," Tech head coach Tommy Tuberville said. "They fought hard tonight. We didn't look good on offense or defense at times, and at times we looked pretty good. It's just, I don't know. Weird game.
Probably a little bit of bluff on both sides
Now Texas is hinting that they’ll give up both the A&M game AND the Red River Shootout. Even the “We’re Texas” faction has to understand the impact of losing both of those games, especially the RRS. They get a LOT of their revenue from that game with Oklahoma, in terms of merchandise sales and gate revenue. I don’t think annual games with UTSA are going to sell as many t-shirts.
I bet if people looked closely, though, they would also see a TON of revenue coming from the hotels and other businesses in Dallas. Losing that game would have a nasty impact on the State Fair every year. You can bet that Dallas feeds money into the Longhorn coffers to keep them coming to the Cotton Bowl every year. All of that goes away because of ego.
by RedRaiderForLife95 on Sep 15, 2011 8:38 AM CDT up reply actions
It would really be funny
If the new State Fair series was Oklahoma and Tech. Just a dream.
ut is "The Evil Empire"
Why don't we (TTU) step up and offer to play OU in Dallas during the state fair?
Why don’t we develop a rivalry game with A&M and play on Thanksgiving and steal that thunder also?
We're ALL going streaking....
who’s with me?
by Bryan Moore on Sep 15, 2011 10:21 AM CDT up reply actions
RRR
IMO, I do not think that the game between OU & UT is in jeopardy, it is either the #1 or #2 rated rivalry in CFB every year. It is a cash cow for both schools and is the only rivalry that both schools truly claim. The talks last week in Norman have been reported as cordial between the two schools.
by idaho_techsan on Sep 15, 2011 9:49 AM CDT up reply actions
But Tech and OU fans can take turns showing their "class" every other year
It would make for great television!
Oh, I would be all about taking that spot in the RRR game.
I can taste the fried Snickers and cotton candy right now.
Although their is not enough “ego” on either side to survive the sh*tstorm that the alumni of OU & UT would create.
by idaho_techsan on Sep 15, 2011 9:59 AM CDT up reply actions
I believe the RRR will go away when the contract expires.
EGO has already destroyed the Big 12-3-9. Who would ever have thought that NU would leave, followed by CU, ATM, and now OU and OSU.
There is no doubt in my mind that the rivalry between The Thorns and ATM are dead.
"I feel sorry for the guys," Tech head coach Tommy Tuberville said. "They fought hard tonight. We didn't look good on offense or defense at times, and at times we looked pretty good. It's just, I don't know. Weird game.
They just left the conference to get away from them
The rivalry is sitll very much alive, the game just may not be.
Good point.
"I feel sorry for the guys," Tech head coach Tommy Tuberville said. "They fought hard tonight. We didn't look good on offense or defense at times, and at times we looked pretty good. It's just, I don't know. Weird game.
Trying to leverage Larry Scott is a fool's errand.
The Pac-12 is swimming in rivers of money and he doesn’t need anybody. That guy is shrewd as shit as well.
Texas needs to be careful in that game. If they’re noisily joining the ACC just to get a few concessions out of Scott, they need to think again.
So, in other words.....
They better be careful what they wish for. Correct?
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UT will not get an invitation to joing the ACC.
IF the ACC expands, it may just need to get back to 12 teams after losing some to the SEC. IF they expand and do not lose any, they will cherry pick the Big East.
Me's a thinking that Evil Empire got one over on the Thorns.
Dodds may be retring sooner rather than later.
"I feel sorry for the guys," Tech head coach Tommy Tuberville said. "They fought hard tonight. We didn't look good on offense or defense at times, and at times we looked pretty good. It's just, I don't know. Weird game.
Best lines of the week.
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by bmaxw on Sep 15, 2011 8:25 AM CDT reply actions 1 recs
One more and I"ve got to go. From SBN’s Pac-12 blog, Pacific Takes (there’s a lot more there, so go ahead and click on the link):
If Texas is using the ACC as leverage to the Pac-12 to keep their network, they might as well be holding a pair of fours at the poker table. Commissioner Larry Scott has to know Texas joining the ACC might retain their academic and Olympic edge, but it will severely weaken their football brand and their overall status in the current BCS pecking order. Going from Oklahoma, Oklahoma State, Texas A&M and Texas Tech to Boston College, Duke, Wake Forest and Clemson is like replacing Matt Damon with Hayden Christensen as your lead actor. Oh yeah, your movie is still the same, except Anakin Stiltwhiner is everywhere and you want him to stop stuttering when reading the cue cards.
The Pac-12 still holds the high hand. They would take the Oklahoma schools and Texas Tech, retaining three of the four traditional Big 12 South rivals the Longhorns square off with, thus ensuring high quality football matchups. They would offer the Olympic tradition. And of course, other than the Big Ten, their academics are beyond parallel. I suspect that a vast majority of Longhorns fans would want to see Texas in the Pac-12 as well.
Go Raiders . . .
Double-T Nation
Wouldn't really matter
UT goes to the ACC and they limited their ability to bring money in to the program because the Football program would suffer. Other than VaTech, GaTech, & FSU games, who in the ACC is going to give Texas a game on the football field? Miami is a dead man walking. UNC made a mediocre rise, but when Butch Davis got fired there went their wind in the sails. BC & NC State will have a good year every four years. WF, Duke & UVA might as put their lacrosse team on the field, because the football is worthless.
In the end if you can’t pay for the Olympic sports with Football money, then they go from one of the few schools in the black on their athletic budget to the red real fast.
by idaho_techsan on Sep 15, 2011 9:56 AM CDT up reply actions
My understanding is that...
Texas would take TTU to any confrerence it would go to. Based on what I am reading here, I guess Texas could say let TTU figure it out for themselves.
"Best of luck to Texas A&M, kick some SEC ass and make the state of Texas proud!"
Madness!!
What I find so crazy about this is that UT is so blinded by their ego that they can’t even see that their most hated in state rival just trumped them to get into the SEC. They were so focused on increasing their already unfair slice of the pie that a less talented, less historically accomplished, bitter rival got the invite to the SEC while they were pounding their chest and trumpeting the LHN. If you had told me 4 years ago that a Texas team would be joining the SEC I would have never guessed it would be A&M. Yes, A&M may be the next Arkansas (at best) of the SEC. But 10 years from now, if Texas in languishing in a sub-par league will it have been worth it for them? This kind of stuff is why I was born to be a Texas Tech fan. I’m fine with being the red-headed stepchild.
And I say, "Hey, Lama, hey, how about a little something, you know, for the effort, you know." And he says, "Oh, uh, there won't be any money, but when you die, on your deathbed, you will receive total consiousness." So I got that goin' for me, which is nice.
I think Texas...
severely underestimated the the clout and perception by other conferences, of not only A&M, but Tech, Ou, and Okie State….and on the other hand severely over estimated their own.
LOVE IT!!!
by Bryan Moore on Sep 15, 2011 10:28 AM CDT up reply actions
I think UT didn't count on the fact that their stooge Beebe is such a monumental idiot
I don’t think it can be understated how bad it was for Beebe to SAY that the Big12 didn’t need A&M. Heck, a better commissioner MIGHT have been able to hold onto Nebraska. I’d wager that as annoyed as Nebraska was about Texas, having a commissioner that couldn’t toady to UT fast enough made it 10x worse.
I was on Burnt Orange Nation last night & nobody mentioned Tech without implying that we follow UT anywhere
And they have to add every time that Lubbock isn’t big enough a media market to appeal to anybody. I’m sure every person at UT graduated from Lake Travis High School too. They are all blind. Which is why they have been blindsided by all this. Serves them right.
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by oldschoolraider on Sep 15, 2011 3:35 PM CDT up reply actions
That is gospel.
"I feel sorry for the guys," Tech head coach Tommy Tuberville said. "They fought hard tonight. We didn't look good on offense or defense at times, and at times we looked pretty good. It's just, I don't know. Weird game.
And what about stadium revenue?
Another point here is—100,000 people show up at Mem. Stadium for Horn games. And many show up for the marquee—games against A&M, Tech, OSU, even BYU. Also, on game days much of the crowd has driven over to support the opponent. Lots of revenue to be had. If Texas were to go ACC would they still get 100,000 for Wake Forest, UNC, Duke, or even Florida State? Similarly, would the traveling UNC fanbase supplant the lost A&M or OSU base? Would there be enough Seminole fans to offset the loss of Soonernation. I don’t think so. In addition to the media questions, I think the stadium revenue questions are also real for UT. Stadium economics indicate to me that gameday revenue for PAC16 opponents will easily top those of prospective ACC opponents. And if Florida State goes SEC, it gets worse.
I don't think it was their chest they were pounding....
TTpilk
"Never, never, never give up." Winston Churchill
Now matter what happens to us
It seems the ut image nationally is destroyed.
ut is "The Evil Empire"
by cweber7377 on Sep 15, 2011 10:17 AM CDT reply actions 1 recs
I know we’ve focused on the PAC…but the more I think about it, the more the ACC sounds fairly intriguing to me. The travel would be easier going east, for one. We aren’t that much closer to the PAC schools beyond Arizona, and besides, one more hour on a plane isn’t THAT big of a deal to a 20 year old body. Just leave an hour earlier.
They have a great football tradtion, baseball is off the charts, won’t even mention baskeball because that’s too obvious, amazing academics (which could be a limiter for us, if there is one) and a whole new part of the country to get exposed to. I like it on a lot of levels.
The travel details, especially for non-rev sports and even non-students, may likely be changed by Southwest
most planes out of lubbock route through dallas, which would have to have another stop to get to all the current PAC or ACC schools. Tech in the PAC-16 may open flights directly from Lubbock to the West, but I doubt that flights back east would be able to pass-up Dallas
by kevinkinsler on Sep 15, 2011 11:05 AM CDT up reply actions
Getting away from UT needs to be our first priority
If we are the only toadie following UT to a conference that makes no sense for any Texas team to join, we will always be seen as UT’s slave.
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Except, that when Superconference begin, the ACC, Big East, and Big 12;
will be fighting for right of passage to the football playoff system. Who will the WSL take, Who will Big take, and who will SEC take. By my account, The SEC has three spots, WSL (if they take OU and OSU) will have two spots, and Big will have four spots.
That only leaves nine spots in three conferences. By my count, there are 30 programs out there worth playing in one of the four Superconferences, which means that if nine of them go to the SEC, BIG, and WSL, that will leave 21 programs fighting for the last Superconference.
Which means, at least six programs on my list will end up in the new Sub Superconference (Division II). Here is my list, see who I left off, and who should be scrathed.
From the Big 12 – Texas, TTU, UM, Kansas, Kansas State
Big East – Pittsburg, Syracuse, West Virginia, TCU
ACC – Florida State, Mayrland, Clemson, Boston College, North Carolina State, North Carolina, Virgina, Miami
MWC -Boise State, Air Force, San Diego State, UNLV
WAC – Hawaii, Nevada, UTAH State
CUSA – SMU, Houston, East Carolina, Unversity of Central Florida, Tulsa, Memphis
Independents – Norte Damn, BYU
"I feel sorry for the guys," Tech head coach Tommy Tuberville said. "They fought hard tonight. We didn't look good on offense or defense at times, and at times we looked pretty good. It's just, I don't know. Weird game.
Could you explain this a little more. It sounds fun, like playing chess.
Assume OU and OSU to Pac-14. Assume A&M and MIzzou to SEC. Assume WVU and VTech to SEC.
Pac-14 needs two. Who?
BIG takes 4 more. Who?
MAYBE ACC takes four more (NOT!).
Remains of BIG-12 and Big East and a few others join into a 4th 16-teamer.
Who would that be?
Your guess would be interesting.
Okay here is the way I think the Dominos are going to fall.
PAC First. The PAC adds OU, OSU, Tech, Boise State (or BYU).
BIG adds Missouri, Kansas, Kansas State, and Notre Damn.
SEC adds Florida State, Texas, North Carolina.
ACC loses Florida State to the SEC which puts them at 11. ACC adds Pittsburg, West Virginia, TCU, Syracuse, and Louisville (because of basketball).
Look what is left. There is going to be College War for sure.
"I feel sorry for the guys," Tech head coach Tommy Tuberville said. "They fought hard tonight. We didn't look good on offense or defense at times, and at times we looked pretty good. It's just, I don't know. Weird game.
You may be right.
Just a thought or two for fun, but who knows? Long as we are in the WSL.
BYU brings way more than Boise. Boise could be a flash in the pan, hardly fields other sports teams except football. BYU is solid. Rivalry with Utah?
SEC wants bigger footprint UT makes sense, but NC will never do it. They would lose the conf. basketball rivalry with Duke, and that means more to them than anything else, even FB. Va Tech or WVU makes sense.
The ACC would be at 10 schools, and would add 2, 4, or 6. But being in the ACC, I think they are happy with 12. It works. Seriously, 12 is way better than 16.
A friend from Auburn said they have 5 division games, rotate three games from the other division, four rivalry and other games to make 12. They play teams from the other division every other year. Adding two teams to get to 14 means something has to give, and I bet it would be a non-conf. game, plus an unbalanced schedule of playing teams from the other division. It has to be 12 or 16 in my mind.
BYU is never getting in to the PAC 12, they have been very vocal about no Church schools
BSU fields a Football team, M & W’s Basketball teams, M & W’s Golf, M & W’s Tennis, M & W’s Track & Field, M & W’s Cross Country, W’s Soccer, W’s Gymnastics, W’s Softball, W’s Swimming & Diving and a PAC 12 Wrestling team. Sure they don’t have a baseball team, but BSU is more than a Football team.
by idaho_techsan on Sep 15, 2011 4:56 PM CDT up reply actions
Did not know that about Boise. Are those teams at Div. 1 level or only football.
I thought they were 1-AA a few years back. Just curious. i like the school.
They are the Avis of football programs
They try harder. Boise spent 10 years agreeing to play games on Thursday nights, Friday nights, any night of the week ESPN wanted them to play to build up their brand nationally. The annoying blue field is part of the strategy. So they could make a name for themselves. They became a real player the year they beat Oklahoma in the Fiesta Bowl. They would be the ideal 16th team. The geography would make sense for all schools. Basically draw a line from the bottom of Texas straight north to the Canadian border & every major football program except independent BYU would be in the Pac 16.
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I realize you're not in the pac yet
so you guys weren’t privy to this discussion last year but both byu and bsu to the pac are lol worthy and never going to happen. bsu because of academics (tt may barely get in, bsu is a glorified junior college) byu because of multiple problems surrounding their religious nature. also neither actually expand the footprint.
the list for pac expansion after ou and osu is (assuming no ut)
2 out of the 3 of: tt, ku, mu
or if that’s not possible: ku and ksu
that’s the entire list.
That being the case...
I hope they note that the population of Kansas is 2.8 million, the population of Missouri is just under 6 million and the population of the Dallas/Ft Worth metro area is 6.4 million. And DFW is just one city in Texas. It may be where most Tech alum live but they are in the other Texas cities too & growing.
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Oh.
Yea, I can see that.
I still think, on the whole, travel would be much easier in the Pac-16, given that we’d have much closer division rivals to play against.
Agreed
If Tech goes to the PAC in a package with OU and OSU then most likely Tech would only play a couple of games maximum per year 2 time zones away.
Around here football is bigger than the state of Texas!
by Distant Raider on Sep 15, 2011 2:13 PM CDT up reply actions
Rivals sports guys all took a shot at "who belongs" in the Super Conferences....
Interesting to me….TT is every one of them.
http://www.rivals.com/content.asp?CID=1264807
I think we’re going to be just fine…..Hence Hance and Bailey’s silence?
Great find;
The problem is, that you are not going to be able to remove a team like Vandy from the SEC. They are already in. So, that only leaves 9 spots to fill the BIG, SEC, and PAC. And, one of either the Big East, ACC, or or Big 12 will survive. I think we can eliminate the Big 12, so that means probably the ACC makes the cut. The Big East already is a basketball conference.
Which means, that the list of 9 grows to 13 spots. Now it really gets competitive. Think about it 30 teams fighting for 13 spots. Let the War Games begin.
"I feel sorry for the guys," Tech head coach Tommy Tuberville said. "They fought hard tonight. We didn't look good on offense or defense at times, and at times we looked pretty good. It's just, I don't know. Weird game.
yea also note....
Baylor nor Iowa State are in any of them…..YIKES!
Analysis....
acc- plus is dr pepper sponsorship of championship game
PAC-wool sweaters
What say you?
"Trust your gut....mine always finds good Mexican food"
-Me
by oldschoolraider on Sep 15, 2011 3:40 PM CDT up reply actions
A Question
Has anyone asked what the hell A&M is gonna do with their fight song? I think the lesson for schools is don’t center your entire fight song around one rival. “Good-bye to Louisiana State Univerisity” just doen’t have the same ring…
And I say, "Hey, Lama, hey, how about a little something, you know, for the effort, you know." And he says, "Oh, uh, there won't be any money, but when you die, on your deathbed, you will receive total consiousness." So I got that goin' for me, which is nice.
Do you ever have one of those moments that make you go.....
MMMMMM ????
i was just checking the odds of the games this week. (just for fun) When I saw that UT is playing UCLA this weekend. Could a possible realignment conversation be going under the cover of a football game? Just thinking out loud here.
Not related, but does anyone else follow Brandon Carter on twitter? His last tweet was this
@bcarter60 Brandon Carter
Fish oil burps are the freaking WORST!!!!
I, for one, can’t argue that point.
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Nothing
Would make any of any happier than an alliance with OU, OSU and Mizz, and head of west.
When was the last time we said Tuck Fexas? Well neighbor……………..
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If that happens, I bet
The aggies would love playing us every year.
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And THAT would be GOOD FOR TTU.
Much as we tease them, they are great to battle with, and if we were in PAC it would add even another good game for us.
Interesting how reporters can write articles like that with absolutely not clues as to where they got their sources.
OU, Ok St, TTU, and Mizzou? That’s new. Reporters are just spitting out random ideas with no factual evidence. Sad thing is, people are buying it. And read some of those comments about Tech if you want to get your blood pressure up.
Oh my bad
Mila Kunis in a sweater’d cheerleader outfit cheering for Tech against Mizzou in the game to determine the Eastern pod’s winner… Dream on.
Sounds
like you’ve used that one
"Trust your gut....mine always finds good Mexican food"
-Me
by oldschoolraider on Sep 15, 2011 4:30 PM CDT up reply actions
Haaaa!!!! Dead pan
That was a very detailed scenario you came up with on the fly….
Give 'Em Hell Tech!!!!!
by Plano Jeff on Sep 15, 2011 10:20 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Can she be wearing the USC Song Girls uniform while cheering for Tech?
That’s a dream I could get behind. Ever since I saw “Forgetting Sarah Marshall” I’ve been convinced that Mila Kunis is the perfect woman.
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Read between the lines
The lead is that OU has formed an alliance with OSU and Tech. Mizzou is possibly the 4th school IF UT doesn’t drop its request for LHN dominance.If MU was done, why would the rest of the article go on at length about UT’s diminishing options and caution UT in essence to—not let this happen to you but make a move to join the alliance? Logically, Mizzou isn’t going anywhere without Kansas—and KU has as much said it will follow MU even if it means divorcing K-State.So why isn’t KU listed as the 4th school? Because Texas isn’t afraid of KU. MU started this whole thing last year. We know MU wants to move. There is no other in- state U it is required to tag with. It is the closest to UT in athletic prowess and academic prowess. Throwing Mizzou at Texas will make them blink if OU can convince them they will pull that trigger.But by saying this isn’t OU giving MU false hope? Won’t they be mad if they are yanked in favor of UT? NO—they will land on their feet; they are not desperate like KU—they are set for Big10,SEC,BigEast when the time comes—I doubt PAC is a top choice anyway. This is a great ploy by Boren—makes me wonder what besides football might come down Sat. when UT checks into LA for the UCLA match—and how it may affect the OU BOR meeting Monday.
I just hope UCLA beats them like a drum.
by RRaider5355 on Sep 15, 2011 9:56 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
How about just dropping a nuke on Austin?
Then taking any survivors and slicing them into ribbons and stomping on their cold dead carcasses. Would you feel better then?
You guys are something else – it’s a state of Texas college – just like you. It’s not Iran or Iraq.
TTU is not the girl of my dreams either, but as a Texas college, I hope it wins every game against non-Texas teams. Maybe your real heroes are OU and OSU?
"Best of luck to Texas A&M, kick some SEC ass and make the state of Texas proud!"
by Snide Aside on Sep 17, 2011 12:05 AM CDT up reply actions
Normally I'm with you on this line of thinking Snide.
The stronger my conference can appear against the others, the better it is for Tech’s image when we do well against our own.
But at this point and time, I think it is better if UT sucks as bad as it ever has. I mean a 1990’s kind of long term suck. UT fans, no offense intended to you directly, are notoriously fair weather. As it stands today, the LHN is a long shot to survive in it’s current form. A couple of bad years of UT football and it has no chance. IMHO – that is best way that the LHN experiment can run it’s course, for benefit of all of college football.
Conference networks and equally split revenues have proven to lend themselves to stability, whereas the Big 12/ SWC model has proven the opposite. And the marriage with ESPN has just compounded the issue. I blame all of the Big 12 schools to some extent, for allowing the dynamic. But primarily it was UT, A&M, OU, and NE driving that bus and the rest couldn’t do anything about it. At any rate, UT had the misfortune of being the school that had all the chips fall into place, while not having the wherewithal to know how to manage it for the long term good. Not that any of the other 3 would have behaved any differently. After all, it’s why they allowed the dynamic to exist in the 1st place. Last year’s and this year’s defections will hurt UT in the long run. A move to any other conference hurts UT in the long run. Independence would kill UT in the long run. And staying in a diminished Big 12 hurts UT in the long run. If the Big 12 had the exact same business model as the Pac or the Big – or if the big dogs could have agreed to change it to one of those models a few years ago anyway – that is what would have been the best for UT in the long run. A strong Big 12, with the make-up it had before the mass exodus, would have always been one of the top 3 conferences.
But right now – that is done and over with. UT will go on on being UT, but in a less advantageous situation and it will cost them. But I’m not worried about UT, because even with a less advantageous situation in their future, they’ll still be a top program. I am worried, however, about the rest of college football and what any “perceived” success of a single school network (at the level the LHN represents) could manifest itself into. The model that college football has worked best under for the last 100 years hasn’t become outdated just because there’s more money on the table. The only thing the new money has done is allow UT to (as it has now become fanciful to say) overplay their hand so badly. It allowed them to rip open the curtains and reveal just how flawed the Big 12 conference business model is. Which, we all knew anyway, but were holding out hope until last year that the top dogs were going to wise up and fix.
So really all that matters to me when it comes to UT right now, at this point in time, is that they suck and suck incredibly bad. For at least a couple of years, so that this incarnation of the LHN can die it’s (hopefully) inevitable death as quickly as possible. So that we can all pick up the pieces and figure out how to make the best of this crap moving forward..
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Harvey "Big Daddy" Pollitt: "What's that smell in this room? Didn't you notice it, Brick? Didn't you notice a powerful and obnoxious odor of mendacity in this room?"
What a sportsman you are
Incredible hubris, imo.
You expended all this energy and wrote this humongous dialog to simply say you hope UT withers and dies and it sucks?
What makes you different than rraider5355 and freakinout?
Texas has done no more are any different than TTU would have done under the same circumstances. Your hypocrisy is embarrassing.
Texas wants the conference to stay together – what has TTU done to achieve this?
"Best of luck to Texas A&M, kick some SEC ass and make the state of Texas proud!"
by Snide Aside on Sep 17, 2011 12:34 PM CDT up reply actions
Holy smoke Snide....
… I’ve never known anyone who misses the point by as much as you do as regularly as you do. It’ an amazing talent.
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Harvey "Big Daddy" Pollitt: "What's that smell in this room? Didn't you notice it, Brick? Didn't you notice a powerful and obnoxious odor of mendacity in this room?"
I'm sorry you feel that way, but...
Here is your sign off pragraph!
So really all that matters to me when it comes to UT right now, at this point in time, is that they suck and suck incredibly bad.
"Best of luck to Texas A&M, kick some SEC ass and make the state of Texas proud!"
by Snide Aside on Sep 17, 2011 10:07 PM CDT up reply actions
And, you didn't answer my question
Texas wants the conference to stay together – what has TTU done to achieve this?
It seems like most of the posters here simply are expressing how they hate Texas and Texas is the evil empire and is destroying college footbal and is arrogant and power hungry and the Big 12 is dead and the sky is falling and it is all UT’s and George Bush’s fault (well, I actually ad libbed the last part, :-)).
But, I repeat, please point out to me what TTU has done and IS doing to hold the conference together? I understand aggy retreating and abandoning the sinking ship – this has always been their M.O., but Tech? Frankly, all I have been reading is bitching about Texas and how unfair life is.
Just saying.
"Best of luck to Texas A&M, kick some SEC ass and make the state of Texas proud!"
by Snide Aside on Sep 17, 2011 10:14 PM CDT up reply actions
Tech doesn't have any effect that I have seen, either way.
But you’re making the argument about a supporting statement, not about the point I was making. UT has to suck, not because I want UT to suck as a rule, but because it is a means to an end. As stated, I generally would prefer them to be strong as it reflects well on Tech if we play well against them. (and more forgivable if we don’t)
I am worried, however, about the rest of college football and what any "perceived" success of a single school network (at the level the LHN represents) could manifest itself into.
That is the point that you missed entirely, the main point, is my saying that the LHN, in it’s current form is bad for college football. It’s failure would end a larger trend before it gets started. Because if UT can’t make it work, then no one else would bother trying. And yes, based on that – I want UT to suck and suck very bad until UT decides that a conference network is in it’s best interest. (maybe too late for the Big 12, but issues are the same no matter where they go)
(although the UCLA game tells me I should waste too much time waiting for it to happen)
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Harvey "Big Daddy" Pollitt: "What's that smell in this room? Didn't you notice it, Brick? Didn't you notice a powerful and obnoxious odor of mendacity in this room?"
I read your premise
It doesn’t mean I suscribe to it. The format that LHN is presently in is basically third tier programming – essentially a litany of programs about the school – an overblown brochure, as it were. In order to make the programming palatable for the masses (UT’s), there must be attractive programming, i.e.; a football game or two and mostly other sports outside of football.
This doesn’t come close to being a threat to YOUR college or any other. Certainly not to college football in general!
You, have made the LHN AND UT the bogieman and have concluded UT sucks because they are now the evil empire for doing this. These are your simply just your opinions.
Fine, you are entitiled to your opinions, but I fully disagree and object to my school being painted, by your broad brush, as the undoing of all that is holy in college football – this just bogus and without substantiation.
I apologize for seeming brusk and confrontrational, but peruse all of the remarks on this blog and you will understand that the uninformed hypocrisy is tiresome and basically parroting of rhetoric that most have heard from others and opinions drawn on baseless rumor and innuendo!
"Best of luck to Texas A&M, kick some SEC ass and make the state of Texas proud!"
Now, what is even more ironic
It appears that UT,OU, OSU are most likely going to the PAC 12. The irony of this is, because entirely of UT, that TTU is going to be pulled inot the PAC as well.
You can call it arrogant all you want, but the truth is WITHOUT UT, TTU would be scrambling for a position in some conference and basically on an "island’ by itself!
So, bash us all you want, the facts speak for themselves!
"Best of luck to Texas A&M, kick some SEC ass and make the state of Texas proud!"
I'm in the camp that will gladly take that if it is the best that we can get.
I don’t dislike UT overall. My wife and I had season tickets a few years ago (she’s an alumni) through one of my best friends who pees burnt orange. It’s a very narrow set of things that I don’t care for. And we don’t need to rehash any of the above – because it’s fine, we have different opinions.
But you do continually get caught up arguing things that I haven’t said or implied. So I have to clarify: It’s what the single school networks, when combined with ESPN, represent to me – not UT/LHN itself. If you recall, I acknowledge that I don’t think that NE/A&M/OU would have behaved any differently if in UT’s position. I doubt that Tech would have either because that’s the way it was set up by the conference charter. Here is the resultant problem: I think that the rights that enabled UT to get all that money are the same rights that USC gave up last year to help solidify the Pac12. They are the rights that Ohio State, Penn St, Michigan and NE (good lord, the irony) give up to provide for the B10 network. I’m saying, time has proven that this model is what works best for all involved.
And yes, it’s a threat to my university, right here and right now, because had UT played as well as the afore mentioned university after last season’s defections – my university wouldn’t be staring into the abyss.
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Harvey "Big Daddy" Pollitt: "What's that smell in this room? Didn't you notice it, Brick? Didn't you notice a powerful and obnoxious odor of mendacity in this room?"
I don't know...
talking to some folks in Tulsa..this guy is heavily tied, to not only the OU ad, but the Boren’s (Sr. and Jr.) and T. Boone…and it really makes sense…..Mizzou and Tech have been the only 2 schools in the Big 12, who have not said a word….then the salvo over Tech’s bow from Chip Brown and OB, after the tu contingent went and talked to OU….“without Tech’s knowledge”..about Tech better be careful or else!
Mizzou and it's AAU membership helps the welp of our #160 in USNWR this week
The academia in the PAC-12 could get at least a school that has the academic profile they desire, with the rest of the schools working their butts off and TX/OK state legislation $$$ behind it to get stronger academics.
Then they add 4 programs in football that have been relevant in the Top 25 for the entire history of the Big 12 with each school shining in different Olympic sports. Then couple the DFW and STL/KC TV markets at the same time, might have some steam.
by idaho_techsan on Sep 15, 2011 4:19 PM CDT up reply actions
right...
and as I understand the whole “invite” to the PAC it is contingent (on any school NOT in the AAU,) that they must have that status in 10 years..or pay a fine.
Like
A sacrifice of a chancellor?
"Trust your gut....mine always finds good Mexican food"
-Me
by oldschoolraider on Sep 15, 2011 8:24 PM CDT up reply actions
i'm ok with that
it may get the state legislature to get off their ass and get us some PUF
by kevinkinsler on Sep 15, 2011 10:50 PM CDT up reply actions
Including Texas-Texas Tech on Feb. 4 RT @kbohls Longhorn Network to televise 12 UT men’s basketball games.
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by oldschoolraider on Sep 15, 2011 4:20 PM CDT reply actions
Tech will not get paid to air the game on LHN. Once all the networks pass on a game, it’s considered third-tier and up for grabs.
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by oldschoolraider on Sep 15, 2011 4:20 PM CDT up reply actions
LSU vs Mississippi State 6-3 in the 3rd quarter
That’s SEC football! I’m watching it on ESPN 3D to avoid Craig James commentary. In 3D it’s just as boring. Have fun Aggies.
2011 Season - No excuses. Just win!
Watching it now...
Boring for sure, but there have been some monstrous hits (and lots of picks). I’m going to have to look into ESPN 3D because CJ and ghosts of the dead hookers are freaking driving me nuts.
"They challenged us. They said, 'Here, try to run past us, try to run inside us.' And they were better at preventing that than we were throwing and catching it." --Mike Leach
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