DTN Daily Diatribe | Texas Tech News, Notes and Links | 2011-09-08
by Seth C on Sep 8, 2011 5:53 AM CDT
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TEXAS TECH FOOTBALL
Red Raiders Football Notebook: Holding him back | Red Raiders
LAJ's David Just has a notebook with head coach Tommy Tuberville's thoughts on keeping the redshirt on freshman LT LeRaven Clark:
"We came this close to putting Le’Raven Clark in," Tuberville said Wednesday. "I think it’s just too early for him. Even if somebody did go down, we’d make a move and move a more experienced guy over in that spot. We’re practicing like he’s second team, but he’s not second team, if that makes sense."
Makes perfect sense! Also in the notebook, DE Aundrey Barr is getting the week off to rest his knee, which was injured last year:
"(Barr) is not going to be 50 plays a game. He’s going to be 15 to 20 plays," Tuberville said. "We want to use him in a situation where, he’s a better run (defense) guy than he is a pass-rush guy. I think he’ll really help once we get to conference play."
McDaniel learning new role quickly | Red Raiders
LAJ's Williams talks about transitioning to center. Terry McDaniel is one of my favorite players because I knew him as a kid and I know his Dad. McDaniel knows that he could have played better. Here's McDaniel talking about playing center:
"The center’s got to be the leader out there," he said. "You’ve got to call all the fronts. You’ve got to know what your other four offensive linemen are doing next to you. ... You’ve got to know if it’s man or zone and on which side. There’s a lot more to it. You’ve got to talk. And the more you talk, the quicker you get tired out there.
"You’ve got a 330-pound nose guard sitting right in front of your face ready to tee off on you. And the first thing you want to do is get rid of the ball real quick so you have time to block somebody."
There's so much more after the jump, including Texas Tech basketball news and conference realignment news.
Lubbock Online | Lubbock Avalanche-Journal
This is a link to the LAJ's 2011 football preview. If you need to waste some time, it's worth it.
The First Big 12 Power Poll of 2011 - Turfburner
Big 12 Power Poll! Here's Bech on Texas Tech:
The Big 12 needs to get familiar with two things: Seth Doege to Darrin Moore and a tougher Tech defense led by new DC Chad Glasgow. Although it was against an overmatched Texas State defense, Seth Doege looked like he is going to handle the Red Raiders QB position just fine. Darrin Moore is a big time playmaker who I have been calling to breakout all offseason. These 2 could very well put themselves up with some elite company in Lubbock if they continue this relationship. Eric Stephens had his usual solid game with over 100 yards and a couple scores. The Texas Tech defense is going to take a huge stride forward in Glasgow's first year and the switch to the 4-2-5. I'm looking forward to watching this team grow.
Next game: Sept 17 @ New Mexico
Big 12 Stock Watch: Week 2 - Dallas Colleges Blog - ESPN Dallas
The Ubbenator says that WR Darrin Moore is rising:
Rising: Darrin Moore
I'm not going to use the "M-C" word about the Texas Tech senior who was a junior college transfer, but was Saturday night the beginning of something huge? I wouldn't rule it out. How many players in the country can rack up 12 catches, 221 yards and a touchdown against anyone? Yeah, it was against Texas State, but Justin Blackmon had eight catches for 125 yards and three touchdowns against Washington State last year. At 6-foot-4, and 214 pounds, keep an eye on Moore.
TEXAS TECH BASKETBALL
DeShon Minnis Joins Texas Tech As Late Signee - Texas Tech Red Raiders Official Athletic Site
Coincidence? PG Mike Davis transfers yesterday and DeShon Minnis signs as part of the 2011 recruiting class the next day. Roster attrition is ugly. Here's head coach Billy Gillispie on Minnis, who does fill the need as a big point guard or shooting guard for this team (I think that Toddrick Gotcher was the only real shooting guard on the team, but he may play point guard):
"We are extremely happy to have DeShon here on campus," added Gillispie. "He is a strong and very versatile player, who is highly regarded. He has the ability to play more than one position and he is the type of guy that we like to coach. Moreover, he is a great young man, who we think will get along great with our other players and gives us a great chance for success."
CONFERENCE REALIGNMENT LINKS
Bailey cites Big 12 'traffic jam' | Red Raiders
I posted this last night. There's no direct quotes from President Guy Bailey, but it's kinda heresay (I think, I'm not a trial attorney) from Texas Tech spokesperson, Chris Cook. This is why this quote is confusing:
"You’re looking at, right now, the threat of a lawsuit holding up the process," Tech spokesman Chris Cook said shortly after he’d spoken with Bailey. "Dr. Bailey said things are going to be in a holding pattern."
Snip.
Bailey said via Cook that Tech officials are "closely monitoring the situation and will actively pursue a course in the best interests of Texas Tech University.
"We’re not sitting idly by. We’re active in this process."
Baylor taking steps to preserve Big 12 football and integrity in college athletics " Baylor Proud
Baylor takes a stand, although this stand feels like blackmail. From what I can tell from yesterday, none of the Big 12 schools have signed their waiver to allow Texas A&M to go to the SEC and Texas Tech has said that they don't intend to sue as Baylor is threatening to sue.
Pac-12 expansion: The case for the Oklahoma schools | College Hotline
Wilner is a must-read, there's too much information there for me to blockquote everything, but here's a bit:
I think there’s a decent chance the Big 12 could stay together in some fashion and I think there’s a decent chance Texas could be in the Pac-16 by the end of next week …
Or the Big 12 could shatter in days with the Longhorns declaring football independence.
I don’t how it will end, but of this I am close to certain:
If the Oklahoma schools officially apply for membership to the Pac-12 … and there are many steps between here and there, let’s not forget … then they’ll be admitted into the conference regardless of what Texas does.
In other words: The Pac-12 is willing to become the Pac-14 without knowing when it would become the Pac-16 — or knowing the ID of the 15th and 16th teams.
Statement From Dan Beebe On Texas A&M - Big 12 Conference - Official Athletic Site
Beebe's statement is probably accurate in that I would guess that some universities probably did rely on the contract that Texas A&M signed last year. This isn't to say that I'm completely blaming Texas A&M, I do still think that the Longhorn Network to really be the root of the problem. Here's part of Beebe's statement regarding the waiver that leaked yesterday that said that the Big 12 would not impede the Texas A&M from going to the Big 12, but that waiver could not bind the members of the Big 12:
However, the waiver did not and could not bind the individual member institutions' governing boards to waive institutional rights. If the departure of Texas A&M results in significant changes in the Big 12 membership, several institutions may be severely affected after counting on revenue streams from contracts that were approved unanimously by our members, including Texas A&M. In some cases, members reasonably relied on such approval to embark on obligations that will cost millions of dollars.
Texas A&M ‘being held hostage’ by the Big 12, and its fate may rest in Oklahoma’s hands - Dr. Saturday - NCAAF Blog - Yahoo! Sports
The Aggies are claiming that they are being held hostage. I used the word blackmail. Whatever. According to the Waco Tribune article from yesterday afternoon, Baylor would sign the legal waiver if Oklahoma commits to the Big 12. This isn't an original thought, but I'm sure that OU wants to be part of a conference where their fellow members threaten a lawsuit if you leave. The irony of the situation is that Baylor left SMU, TCU, Rice and Houston back in 1995 when Baylor left the Southwest Conference.
Keeping Big 12 alive after defections not so crazy | Big 12 | Sports News and Videos on the D... | Smaller Big 12 to keep automatic BCS spot | Bohl Games
FWST's Art Garcia writes that keeping the Big 12 alive with smaller schools, much like NM99's post from last night, which is to think that maybe a stable conference of members of the Mountain West or Conference USA would be better than what we're doing now, which is a yearly ass-whip.
Texas A&M’s Move to SEC Hits a Snag - NYTimes.com
NYT's Pete Thamel spoke to a Big 12 official and wrote this:
One Big 12 official described the threat of a suit as a ploy to slow the process and allow the Big 12 to recalibrate without Texas A&M. It is well known that the Pac-12 will not admit Oklahoma — and potentially Oklahoma State, Texas and Texas Tech — until Texas A&M goes to the SEC and clears any legal hurdles. After comments on Friday by the Oklahoma president, David Boren, about exploring other conferences crushed the Big 12, the league is buying time.
"The goal is to stabilize," said a Big 12 official, who spoke on condition of anonymity. "Until people know they’re not going to end up in the Mountain West or Conference USA, I don’t think any of the schools with any risk at all are going to release the claims."
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"Trust your gut....mine always finds good Mexican food"
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by oldschoolraider on Sep 8, 2011 7:05 AM CDT up reply actions
Rec'd!
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by I bleed Red and Black on Sep 8, 2011 7:57 AM CDT up reply actions
Wilner's Tech Bias
Jon Wilner has no respect for Tech. His voting in the AP back in 2008 was a classic example of his disdain for TTU. The model of the PAC seems to be have schools that are within a respectable driving distance. Austin to Lubbock is manageable, Austin to Lawerence, not as convenient.
I don’t think Wilner is anti-TTU, but possibly an unfortunate reality. I get the impression that he is reporting what he is hearing. If he was anti-TTU, then he would also be anti KU and KSU. I think TTU is unfortunately tied to UT. Would love for TTU to go with OU and OSU, but have not seen a scenario where that is the case.
Go Raiders . . .
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by Seth C on Sep 8, 2011 7:25 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions
I don’t think Wilner is anti-TTU, but possibly an unfortunate reality. I get the impression that he is reporting what he is hearing. If he was anti-TTU, then he would also be anti KU and KSU. I think TTU is unfortunately tied to UT. Would love for TTU to go with OU and OSU, but have not seen a scenario where that is the case.
Go Raiders . . .
Double-T Nation
by Seth C on Sep 8, 2011 7:25 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Wilner is Texas ignorant
San Jose is where I grew up. Wilner has as much intimate knowledge of the State of Texas and its schools as most Texans have of the Oregon schools—they have funny uniforms and it rains all the time! Hence, stereotypes, hearsay and media representations are what fuels him. Your first clue should have been “2 sources I know…” Next, he is a Stanford grad stuck in San Jose (10 miles from Stanford). Ask—why is a SJ guy the mouthpiece? Where are the SF Chron., Oakland Tribune, LA Times reporters? Would you expect the San Antonio columnist to be the go-to authority for Big12 news? [though he’d be more accurate than Wilner.] Take him with a grain of salt—he’s not that powerful. Where he is important though is he is voicing what the uninformed Bay Area fan believes Texas to be [I always have to deal with this when I go back.] so a question for us is how to change that perception.
Funny video. I can't stand weeks more of this stuff, though.
Put us in a good equal revenue conf. that we have a chance of competing in. No team should have an advantage because of TV contracts. If more of their games get televised, and they get BCS bowls, they will get rewards enough.
Again....for today
"Trust your gut....mine always finds good Mexican food"
-Me
by oldschoolraider on Sep 8, 2011 7:17 AM CDT reply actions 1 recs
I wonder if they will add Kansas, Kansas State, Tech, and Iowa State to the sacrifice.
My confidence is beginning to crumble about getting into the Wool Sweater League. It looks like that The Thorneees only way out is either saving the Big 12 or Independence. Dodds has so much egg on his face at this point, that he just might go Indy.
I hope and pray that Bailey and Hance are working hard getting into the Pac 12 now. How forward thinking was Colorado. There was not way they were going to get left out in the cold, which is an oxymoron in itself.
I don’d see the Kansas and Kansas State connection, but I am so close to Tech, I could be blinded by the light.
"I feel sorry for the guys," Tech head coach Tommy Tuberville said. "They fought hard tonight. We didn't look good on offense or defense at times, and at times we looked pretty good. It's just, I don't know. Weird game.
I'm beginning to wonder about UT alums...
I’ve read a number of alum statements and talked to other alums that aren’t very happy with how this whole thing went down with the LHN and with the Big12 fight in general. It makes me wonder if Dodds is more of a maverick than we realize, and if the monied alums of UT will eventually force a tap of the brakes. I think, for many UT alums, things aren’t going as smoothly as they’d have liked. Sure, independence may be a dream for many of them, but with the sour taste that this whole Big12 fiasco has left with them, I wonder if they’ll finally say, “enough is enough, Dodds.”
"They challenged us. They said, 'Here, try to run past us, try to run inside us.' And they were better at preventing that than we were throwing and catching it." --Mike Leach
I am also starting to worry about the Pac-16
It does appear like most of the people out west aren’t realizing the benefits that TTU could bring to the table in addition to being the gateway into the state of Texas. I have spoken with a some TCU fans and most of them believe that the Big East and not the ACC will be the one of those two conferences to survive conference armageddon due to the SEC probably raiding the ACC. There are some points to this argument. In my mind, I think TTU becomes more attractive with another Texas partner for the teams to come play / recruit in Texas.
If we can’t try to convince UT/TCU to head west with us in a packaged deal so that the Pac-16 could double down on the state of Texas (my preference), I say we look at trying to push our way into the SEC with A&M as the second team for that conference to double up on the state. Texas is a valuable state for recruiting. I think most conferences want two teams in the state. Right now, I think most view UT, A&M, TCU (because it is in Dallas), and TTU as the preferred order of teams to take.
Personally, I think my worst nightmare is to stay tied to UT in a crippled conference without A&M, OU, and OSU. This would be a joke league and the other schools like Baylor and ISU would be willing to give UT almost all of the money to keep from going to a non-AQ conference. In this scenario, Tech would get weaker every year. I would much rather take our shot in the SEC with A&M and be in a real conference with partners instead of working under UT.
Looks Like The Big East Is Already Planning On Doubling Up On Texas
From this Jason King article, it appears like the Big East is already planning on two teams in Texas. This might make the push to try to convince TCU to go west with us much more difficult since the Big East might fight to try to keep them.
by sburnett1855 on Sep 8, 2011 10:08 AM CDT up reply actions
I'm tired of people claiming that Tech has a little "footprint."
Let’s get this straight. Tech’s geographic footprint is bigger than most countries. Geographically you have everything west of the I35 corridor through New Mexico to the Arizona border. There are plenty of alumni in DFW, Houston and San Antonio areas to be media relevant. You also have Odessa, Lubbock, Amarillo, El Paso, Wichita Falls, Abilene and the New Mexico cities. The alumni base is growing nationally and even internationally. If Tech goes to the PAC then there is a pipeline for Texas high school players to the West. This should be considered valuable even if UT goes independent. Furthermore, the academic programs are not that low. Tech has decent Engineering, Law and Medical programs. Tech is moving closer to Tier 1 status. Furthermore, I do not find Tech’s culture anyting like those of the SEC. So, stop saying that Tech has an insignificant footprint. Those words are excuses rather than facts.
Around here football is bigger than the state of Texas!
by Distant Raider on Sep 8, 2011 12:11 PM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
Rednblacket is correct
When I said in my prior comment “most of the people out west aren’t realizing the benefits TTU could bring” that was me trying to be clear I was stating that the people in the west blogs and newspapers are saying. I was not saying I don’t see what Tech could bring to their conference. I think Tech brings a whole lot to the table and I have been disappointed not to be reading about some of those positives I see. I agree with you personally that I think Tech would help capture a large portion of the Dallas and Houston television markets even if Tech is the only Texas team to head west. Unfortunately, I have not seen that position reflected by anyone other than the people who are Tech fans on this blog. Please don’t get me wrong, I am a huge Tech fan and think we do deliver the viewers, such as on highly watched nationally televised games. For some reason these metrics don’t appear to be discussed in the media right now.
The other item you bring up which is the geographic footprint is good, but I don’t think the television contracts really care about that. From what I have read, it is all about the amount of viewers. I think media executives would be fine with a school that only delivered an area the size of Rhode Island as long as that was a top five television market. I just did a quick google search so this could be a complete bunk of a website, but in the area you mentioned there is only the number #44 and #98 television markets. This is not going to get television execs all hot and bothered. If you could provide better metrics in regards to viewers I would love to see it. The more information like that I think us fans could get out, the stronger Tech’s case to head elsewhere will be.
Don’t get me wrong, I love Tech, but I want us to move on from the Big12 to a more stable and equal conference. I think most of the discussions I have read about in the rumor mills show UT only increasing its power and reducing the power of the remaining conference members. This I think is something Tech should avoid. I think we are pretty strong right now, and I think we should take advantage of that in a league with more stability where the members actually trust and respect one another.
This might be a typical PAC fan's perspective
“I like our conference the way it is; I know the schools and I know the cities. I don’t care about carving out a bigger footprint and I don’t care about opening up Texas for recruiting. I can’t get excited about my school playing those Texas/Oklahoma schools and I sure don’t plan on making any road trips to those places. Why does anyone think we should add those schools anyway?”
Re: culture. So Tech’s is nothing like SEC schools. Is it more in line with PAC schools?
I would be ok with the PAC, but I don’t get the fondness for it. Tech is a rat on a sinking ship desperately seeking ANY suitable piece of flotsam to save itself from this catastrophe.
Baylor's strategy to keep A&M from moving:
Go hard like Russian coffee
by San Antonio Red Raider on Sep 8, 2011 2:15 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
this
makes me giggle
"Trust your gut....mine always finds good Mexican food"
-Me
by oldschoolraider on Sep 8, 2011 3:43 PM CDT up reply actions
It makes me sick....
Baylor posting something like that linked statement. Preserving integrity in the Big12?!? My @$$. Where was the integrity when two players were arrested smoking pot and then served a whole, what was it, 1/2 game suspension? When the team was down, it didn’t matter that one of the star athletes was a team rule-violating, law-breaking criminal. Baylor is watching out for Baylor which is fine, but do they really expect to force, blackmail, and coerce the Big12 to stay together when it’s obvious there is at minimum 1 school who really doesn’t want to be here? If Baylor where in a position where they were wanted, they’d be all over a conference split. But they’re not, so they lecture everyone else about integrity and contracts. Please!
"They challenged us. They said, 'Here, try to run past us, try to run inside us.' And they were better at preventing that than we were throwing and catching it." --Mike Leach
We would be doing the same thing
If it ever got out that we really had no BCS conference to go to, so I am not going to jump on the Baylor hating train…
"There is no chance he will win, but if you think about it carefully he would be a pretty good candidate. He says a lot with no substance, he's proven he can be bought, he's dishonest, and he has the personality of a TV evangelist so I think he would be perfect in Washington!"-- Mike Leach (When asked if he would vote for Craig James for Senate)
Nonsense, why didn't SMU, TCU, Rice or Houston sue the Big 8 when they got ditched?
Give us a little more credit than that. What can Baylor gain expect to happen besides their getting a black mark on their reputation? You can’t sue your spouse if she decides to leave you & expect it to make her stay.
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I dont believe it nonsense
It would be nonsense Not to try this tactic if we were in the same position as Baylor, and believe me, we would use it for all it was worth. I would want them to! Wouldn’t you?
Besides, if the SEC and the aggies are so sure they have done everything above board then why dont they just move forward.
Afterall it was the sec that created this mess by making that stipulation.
"There is no chance he will win, but if you think about it carefully he would be a pretty good candidate. He says a lot with no substance, he's proven he can be bought, he's dishonest, and he has the personality of a TV evangelist so I think he would be perfect in Washington!"-- Mike Leach (When asked if he would vote for Craig James for Senate)
It's not so much that they're threatening to sue
as it is that they are the pot calling the kettle black. Just say what you mean, Baylor. “We’re going to sue you to protect our university because we don’t have the standing to land anywhere we want to be.” That I could stomach. However, don’t throw out all this holier than thou crap about “integrity” and honoring contracts and setting a good example for impressionable young people at the universities when you have questionable integrity yourself. I call BS on that.
"They challenged us. They said, 'Here, try to run past us, try to run inside us.' And they were better at preventing that than we were throwing and catching it." --Mike Leach
by silver_ on Sep 8, 2011 10:14 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
No one is threatening to sue right now.
Some schools are just not waiving their right to sue in the future. No conference has ever asked for such a waiver before.
I'm not so sure that there weren't some subtle threats
Sure, schools haven’t waived rights to sue. But when the news broke, it was Baylor in the lead, so someone said something most likely….
"They challenged us. They said, 'Here, try to run past us, try to run inside us.' And they were better at preventing that than we were throwing and catching it." --Mike Leach
Why would you give up your rights.
We should get something in return, and that is cash. Lots of it. Now we can get the scoreboard and the indoor facility.
Plus, we can finsih our baseball facility.
"I feel sorry for the guys," Tech head coach Tommy Tuberville said. "They fought hard tonight. We didn't look good on offense or defense at times, and at times we looked pretty good. It's just, I don't know. Weird game.
EXACTLY!!!!!
"There is no chance he will win, but if you think about it carefully he would be a pretty good candidate. He says a lot with no substance, he's proven he can be bought, he's dishonest, and he has the personality of a TV evangelist so I think he would be perfect in Washington!"-- Mike Leach (When asked if he would vote for Craig James for Senate)
To be clear...
I’m not advocating that we give up our rights to sue about something. My frustration comes from the statement Baylor put out.
"They challenged us. They said, 'Here, try to run past us, try to run inside us.' And they were better at preventing that than we were throwing and catching it." --Mike Leach
which is
"I feel sorry for the guys," Tech head coach Tommy Tuberville said. "They fought hard tonight. We didn't look good on offense or defense at times, and at times we looked pretty good. It's just, I don't know. Weird game.
...in Seth's original post.
"They challenged us. They said, 'Here, try to run past us, try to run inside us.' And they were better at preventing that than we were throwing and catching it." --Mike Leach
Reports say that only OU and Texas have officially waived their right to sue.
Other schools ahve said they won’t sue – but have not officially waived that right. What the SEC is asking for is absurd.
That is good business;
First, if the Big 12 folds, millions of dollars would be lost, in fact, who is to stay the FOX and ESPN would not sue the Big 12 and all the schools for lost programming. They have advertisers who have paid as well. That would kill Tech, and we could not hide behind sovereign immunity this time around. No, we need to hold our cards, we don’t have to play them, but we need to hold them.
Secondly, $EC could also be sued, and I believe Kenn Starr is the man to do it. We alerady know how Bailey and Hance are. There is not telling what those two are even up to.
"I feel sorry for the guys," Tech head coach Tommy Tuberville said. "They fought hard tonight. We didn't look good on offense or defense at times, and at times we looked pretty good. It's just, I don't know. Weird game.
Not Texas but only OU
"I feel sorry for the guys," Tech head coach Tommy Tuberville said. "They fought hard tonight. We didn't look good on offense or defense at times, and at times we looked pretty good. It's just, I don't know. Weird game.
As long as the PR firm doing the investigative reporting for ESPN isn’t just making it up and feeding it to Joe Schaud for distibution, it might be right.
"The trouble with our Liberal friends is not that they are ignorant, it's just they know so much that isn't so" Ronald Reagan
ESPN is a PR firm
Their news division handles PR for their sports broadcasting division. One big happy family.
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Both SA Experss News and KSAT TV ABC Affiliate are saying Texas
did not give up their right. Only OU.
This was as late as 1:30 p.m. CT.
"I feel sorry for the guys," Tech head coach Tommy Tuberville said. "They fought hard tonight. We didn't look good on offense or defense at times, and at times we looked pretty good. It's just, I don't know. Weird game.
What, Texas has or has not.
"I feel sorry for the guys," Tech head coach Tommy Tuberville said. "They fought hard tonight. We didn't look good on offense or defense at times, and at times we looked pretty good. It's just, I don't know. Weird game.
What I am saying is that whether Texas has signed anything or not is irrelevant because at least 7 other schools have not signed anything.
The SEC is not going to decide to take A&M now or not take A&M now because 1/2 out of the 9 teams agree to sign a waiver.
Okay Got it, so you don't know about Texas
"I feel sorry for the guys," Tech head coach Tommy Tuberville said. "They fought hard tonight. We didn't look good on offense or defense at times, and at times we looked pretty good. It's just, I don't know. Weird game.
Just wondering
Since a&m, ut, ttu are all public universities, hence the state of texas, can they sue each other?
That's my question too
Since sovereign immunity is passed down from the state to all entities of the state, to me it seems that, if Texas Tech sued Texas A&M, the state would essentially be suing itself. That is especially true since the lawyers would all report to the attorney general.
by RedRaiderForLife95 on Sep 8, 2011 4:41 PM CDT up reply actions
I guess it would depend on who the govenor is.
"I feel sorry for the guys," Tech head coach Tommy Tuberville said. "They fought hard tonight. We didn't look good on offense or defense at times, and at times we looked pretty good. It's just, I don't know. Weird game.
I don't know about Texas or OU.
I just believe that both have agreed, based on what has been reported to me. I have no inside information.
DeShon Minnis sounds like a good recruit. Makes me wonder just how many kids you can sign in BB?
I have no idea who is playing basketball for Texas Tech and when they will be eligible, if they made their grades, etc. Our team will be as much of a surprise to us as to our opponents. They have no idea who we have. Maybe the BG advantage?
Beebe is SUCH a sleeze
He really comes across like that middle manager that is just trying to cling to a job (and I mean BEFORE all this, since obviously that’s what he’s doing now). He doesn’t have innovative ideas, he DOESN’T lead the conference he basically just looks to other people to say something and tries to pretend he’s in charge.
I have to ask this..
And please easy on the haymakers..
Beebe, or who ever you want to give credit to, just signed us up for over a billion dollars for Second tier TV rights,! Everyone said they wanted more money and it was delivered! Now the aggies are second guessing the agreement they made to stay, the whorns have gone for the power grab, which is what whorns do, and so we have this mess. I don’t like beebe anymore than anyone else here, but what is he supposed to do? Threaten them with expulsion? What’s left then? A conference with only OU as the nationally viewed “power school”? Do you really think that FOX or anyone else would pay us 1 billion for that? Do you think the BCS would leave the AQ for that? Hell, do you think OU would hang around after that anyway? This conference has schools in it that have let greed and envy take total control. I hate to see the big 12 implode, but the only way this changes is if the alumni and student bodies at these schools say enough is enough.
Add more schools you say? Well who the hell wants to join this conference with the schools behaving this way?
So yeah, beebe step up and kick em all out that’s the ticket to everyone’s freedom anyway! I say beebe should be the man everyone wants him to be and just turn out the lights. That is his only real option. Then Hance and company should have Tech formally apply, on our own, for all of the conference we are all clamoring for and see what response we get… Is that the real leadership we all want?
"There is no chance he will win, but if you think about it carefully he would be a pretty good candidate. He says a lot with no substance, he's proven he can be bought, he's dishonest, and he has the personality of a TV evangelist so I think he would be perfect in Washington!"-- Mike Leach (When asked if he would vote for Craig James for Senate)
I agree that Beebe is in a completely impossible situation. However, the paint job that put him in that corner was, in large part, by his own hand. Even last week, when he had his conference call, it was all about telling the “little schools” to “work on Texas.” It wasn’t “what do we do to stabilize this situation?” It wasn’t “here’s a plan for real stability.” It was “you guys drop down again and kiss Deloss’ ass, because he’s the savior of everything Big XII.”
He just doesn’t get that Deloss Dodds has been fueling all of his problems for the last two years. Until he gets that through his head, I have no sympathy for his current situation. If anything, I feel sorry for the guy who replaces him, when the other schools finally get a clue and fire Beebe. I don’t care how much THAT person gets paid, if they can rectify Beebe’s screw-ups, he (or she) will be underpaid.
by RedRaiderForLife95 on Sep 8, 2011 2:48 PM CDT up reply actions
To all the lawyers around here...
I can SORT OF understand where Baylor is coming from.
“Hey, this conference realignment crap is about to take a huge chunk of cash out of our athletic department, and that’s not cool.” That part I understand completely.
However, EVERY school has a right to leave a conference if they wish to. I keep hearing about this “binding” agreement made by the ten schools last year, but was anything put in writing, saying the schools would stay together for X number of years? I seriously doubt that, because if nothing else, Dodds isn’t about to commit to something that iron-clad.
So Texas A&M says, “Enough, I’m outta here. What do we have to do to leave quietly?”
The Big XII, and Beebe specifically, says, “Ok, here’s what you have to do.” A&M takes the homework home, does everything on it correctly, and turns it in.
Now Baylor is going, “Whoa, wait a minute, not so fast!!!”
So here are my questions to the lawyers:
A) Does Texas A&M have any true responsibility to the other schools of the conference, or just to the conference itself?
B) Isn’t Beebe a (might even say THE) legal representative of the conference?
C) If A&M’s responsibility is to the conference itself, rather than the schools, and Beebe is the legal rep of the conference, why does A&M need the permission of each individual school after Beebe told them what the conditions are?
D) If anything, shouldn’t Baylor go after Beebe and the Big XII for incompetence/negligence/pick whatever you want here?
My point is, A&M never promised Baylor that revenue, the Big XII did. If anything, it seems to me the liability for that money resides squarely on the Big XII. Also, Baylor doesn’t have a snowball’s chance in hell of ever collecting a penny from A&M, because of sovereign immunity. The conference, on the other hand, has no immunity.
by RedRaiderForLife95 on Sep 8, 2011 11:35 AM CDT reply actions
Any suit by Baylor is probably a loser.
But that’s not really important at this point, because the SEC has said they want a waiver from every school before accepting A&M. It doesn’t matter how strong the suit is if the SEC is making it a prerequisite for the rights to be waived.
Agreed
I’m just saying that the direction of the threat seems misdirected.
by RedRaiderForLife95 on Sep 8, 2011 11:58 AM CDT up reply actions
I am not a lawyer, but I did stay in a Holiday Inn Express last night.
Fox and ESPN have programming lined up, TV advertisers have already paid, where is all the new programming coming from. How is Tech going to pay for Athletics if we don’t have 15 million coming over the next few years. We have bills to pay.
That is why this could and can bo so letigious.
"I feel sorry for the guys," Tech head coach Tommy Tuberville said. "They fought hard tonight. We didn't look good on offense or defense at times, and at times we looked pretty good. It's just, I don't know. Weird game.
Oh I agree completely
What I’m saying though, is that we don’t have a contract with Texas A&M, Oklahoma, or any other school. Texas Tech has a contract with the Big XII, and the legal representative of the Big XII told Texas A&M what was necessary to leave the conference. If any school doesn’t like those conditions, they need to take it up with the conference and it’s representative.
by RedRaiderForLife95 on Sep 8, 2011 2:49 PM CDT up reply actions
This is not from my legal mind, but
If we look at the conference as a corporation and each school as a stock holder, then it’s easier to se how one individual can file suit on another stockholder if one shareholder did something to tank the corporation keeping in mind those stockholders private actions have an effect on the others. If you and 10 other guys owned some awesome corporation that largely depended on the fact that one guy (assuming all 10 had jobs there as well) was great at this and another great at that and your business was gained by people who pay you specifically because you have this or that guy. (Groups of physicians do this all the time,and usually have non-compete clauses in their contracts {which means they can take their clients with them when they leave or if they leave, they can’t work within 100 miles…groups of lawyers do do this as much}, which is essentially what last summer’s agreement was) Now this really critical guy leaves, you can sue him as a corporation, but you would also have damages as a shareholder because your stock has been devalued now because people won’t hire your corporation as much now because they wanted the dude that left’s expertise.
Give 'Em Hell Tech!!!!!
So the conference itself,
(or in your example, the corporation) has no liability when it tells that critical guy ,“here, pay the corporation $5,000 and you can go on your merry way.”?
by RedRaiderForLife95 on Sep 8, 2011 2:52 PM CDT up reply actions
Hostile takeover???
No, exactly what you say. They can buy someone out or someone leaving can pay the corporation to tear up the non- compete contract. Usually a number way less than could be anticipated in a law suit victory, but take away legal fees, the duration of litigation, the uncertainty, publicity, it’s often times best to just cut bait and recoup what you can get. And the HAS to be a liquid damages clause in the Big 12 contract, so we all know how much we owe.
Give 'Em Hell Tech!!!!!
by Plano Jeff on Sep 8, 2011 4:09 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
I think if the conference says to aggie
pay your 5 mil and you can leave, that’s fine because they’d vote on it first amd if it was a 7-2 vote, it’s approved, the 2 no votes don’t have a right to sue aggie. but now they have the right to sue SEC for poaching their talent. that’s where the tortuous interference with a K comes into play. If SEC really didn’t approach aggie 1st, they wouldn’t care if someone tried to sue because if someone sued without having knowledge of the interference, that’d be a frivolous lawsuit or even the attorney could be sanctioned, so how’s Baylor gonna find out? Now if SEC really did interfere, did they know there WAS a contract (specifics) and maybe they DID know and that’s why they put that clause on aggies admittance, because they know they’d lose.
Give 'Em Hell Tech!!!!!
All I hear is A&M to the SEC is going to be a disaster but...
I would give an organ or two for the same invitation right now. Yes, please kick our ass 8 games a year and show us what real college football is with class and fans that appreciate the game for what it is. After a few years TTU would be all "growed up" and so would our recruiting classes. Imagine having a top 10 or 15 recruiting class and not freaking out about it. That’s what moving to the SEC will do for A&M. If TTU had a better relationship with A&M this would be a prime opportunity to buddy up with them and ask them for a favor. This may be something to think about while we are tailgating in Vernon when we join the juco circuit next season. I’m sure there will be many wondering why we got left out so just want to say that if (HUGE IF) we ever have another shot an AQ conference with new fan bases who have no idea of who we are or what we stand for we also get a fresh start on getting rid of the reputation we currently have. If we ever want to be taken seriously by top tier schools we have to improve our academics and get rid of this stigma of being the annoying fat girl at the party who doesn’t shut the fuck up and pukes on everyone inside on the carpet. I’m the biggest Tech fan you’ll find so I’m not saying this from the outside looking in…I’m saying this seeing it from the inside. 95% of our fans are literally the best people on the face of the earth…salt of the earth is an understatement. But somewhere along the way we allowed the 5% to speak for all of us and we have no way of controlling it or turning that bus around. If we don’t figure it out soon we can be assured the only bus we will ever be on in the future is yellow and doesn’t have AC and is as far away from the BCS as it can get.
Now, fire away and pretend that what I am saying isn’t the truth and that I’m not a real fan.
Wreck ’Em!!
Not me, I do not want to go to the $EC for the same reason that ATM is out of theri mind.
Ask Vandy what it is like. Who wants to chant $EC $EC $EC while you finish 6-6 ever year. We can’t fill up the Jones when we win 8 games. Are you kidding me.
It is the Wool Sweater League, or a revamed Big 12. The Big 12 has AQ status until 2016. Keep it togehter and we might get to a NC. Not so sure we can win in the Wool Sweater league either, but the scenary out weighs all other.
"I feel sorry for the guys," Tech head coach Tommy Tuberville said. "They fought hard tonight. We didn't look good on offense or defense at times, and at times we looked pretty good. It's just, I don't know. Weird game.
Vandy...
Is not a public school sitting in the heart of college football crazed Texas with recruits a plenty. Not apples to apples.
My reference to Vandy is strictly wins and losses.
If we end up in the $EC, you think we are going to win any games. Our 2008 team could not beat Ole Miss.
"I feel sorry for the guys," Tech head coach Tommy Tuberville said. "They fought hard tonight. We didn't look good on offense or defense at times, and at times we looked pretty good. It's just, I don't know. Weird game.
Not Early
But after two to three years of solid recruiting by Tubby we definitely would. He already knows the landscape. He also knows how to recruit the SEC.
I disagree. I would hope that you are right;
But you are telling me that we can beat Alabama, LSU, Florida, Auburn, Georgia, Ole Miss, Mississippi State all in the same year. We have a difficult time beating OU and Texas in the same year. In fact, we have never done it in the history of our program.
One tied Big South Championship in sixteen years. Tubby took over a program at Auburn that had 5 wins his first year and 9 in his second. Well, since we did no play football in the last ten years, 8 wins was pretty good in year one. I’ll bet you we don’t get 9 wins this year.
"I feel sorry for the guys," Tech head coach Tommy Tuberville said. "They fought hard tonight. We didn't look good on offense or defense at times, and at times we looked pretty good. It's just, I don't know. Weird game.
I agree
I don’t think we would ever beat all those teams season in and season out but when a team like 08 comes through every 5 or 6 years it could happen with the right recruits and the right coaches.
I just want to be in the Wool Sweater League.
"I feel sorry for the guys," Tech head coach Tommy Tuberville said. "They fought hard tonight. We didn't look good on offense or defense at times, and at times we looked pretty good. It's just, I don't know. Weird game.
Crabtree couldn't even run a route that game!
And I think our boys had a little hangover after OU – time and time again we’ve seen this happen when a team in contention for NCG loses its last game, they come out flat in their bowl.
3-3 at the end of the third quarter
Every time I sit down to watch an SEC game that is the score after 3 quarters. Finally in the 4th quarters both teams start scoring so you wind up with a 20-17 final score. But watching grass die during a drought is more entertaining.
2011 Season - No excuses. Just win!
Agreed
Unlike most teams we play in our conference the SEC can play some defense. Ask OU how that has worked out in the NC games they’ve lost. If they we’re used to playing stiff defenses and not racing to see who scores more they could have been able to make necessary adjustments during the game and at halftime. Had that occurred maybe the Big XII would have a few more NC trophies.
The NC trophies are consolation prizes for their fans having to watch such dreck all season long
And it hardly seems worth it. That stuff is torture.
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TSU Fan Harassment...
This weekend when I was walking from the tailgate at the Spirit Arena to the stadium with my wife and two friends we ended up walking with 3 TSU students and struck up a conversation with them. They were excited to play Tech and talked about how they were happy to be playing a team with of our caliber. It made me feel good and right as we turned the corner close to Dan Law a couple current Tech students were walking with their shirts off carrying a 30 pack of Natty Light (I drank it in college not hating on it just had to include it for the story). One of them went out of his way to walk up to the TSU student wearing a TSU collared shirt and got in his face for no reason and yelled "Texas State fucking sucks!! Can’t believe you guys would agree to this ass whooping!!!". To say that me, my wife, and 2 fellow friends (not red raiders) were shocked would be an understatement. I was the only red raider in my group so the other 3 that witnessed this were astounded. I had to spend 10 minutes explaining that we allow this crap to go on and that we all know it goes on but there isn’t a strong movement to change it. I did let the prick from Tech know that he was being an idiot and needed to move on and quickly apologized to the TSU fans and we kept walking but they said they were warned by their buddies to expect that. When I asked where there buddies went to school they of course said A&M and UT. Definitely makes me proud to know I’m included in that group of fans for the Big XII (sarcasm intended).
Drunk fans are everywhere
As I was leaving a game at Colorado walking across campus some random student saw my Tech gear & shouted “Texas Tech sucks!!”. And since we were losing badly to an 0-6 Colorado team I really couldn’t disagree with him.
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Big Difference
We are now known…almost expected to act like that. When people expect it to happen it’s easy to chalk it up to “they’re everywhere” but when we are known to be “classless clowns” we have to start fixing that. We can’t make everyone act perfect but we can dang sure go out of our way to make people feel welcome in Lubbock and at The Jones to help balance it out.
Leave the self flagellation to the Opus Die monks
We have fans of visiting teams at our tailgates more often than not. This game day roudiness is not something Tech has a monopoly on. And good luck sending 60,000 football fans to charm school.
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We have opposing fans at our tailgates as well
and aside from some good ribbing, we all drink, eat, and enjoy the tobacco product of your choice.
Jackass fans are everywhere, but so are the rest of us. We just gotta keep doing what is right, and win games.
Hey, thanks for standing up to the shirtless one and apologizing on behalf of the rest of us...
Taking that kind of action is probably about the best way to address that situation…
"Transition is hard." - TT
by Houston Raider on Sep 8, 2011 12:25 PM CDT up reply actions
NFL GAMES ARE WAY WORSE
"The trouble with quotes on the internet is that it is nearly impossible to discern if they are genuine." - Abraham Lincoln
Yeah...
people get freaking shot, stabbed, or stomped and end up in the hospital or dead at some NFL games.
"They challenged us. They said, 'Here, try to run past us, try to run inside us.' And they were better at preventing that than we were throwing and catching it." --Mike Leach
Go to a game in Baton Rouge.
Five months after the massacre on our campus, the LSU fans were “rocking” the bus load of gray-haired fans back and forth, flipping the bird at grandmothers, and throwing food and beer at the aged fans.
At home games in WV, the Virginia Tech players expect to get hit by flashlight batteries thrown from the stands, so they keep their helmets on the whole time. The security guards do nothing.
Just reporting the facts.
Heard bad things from UT / TAMU but not Baylor Fans
I will admit I have seen some our fellow TTU fans act in poor character during games and was not impressed by it. Overall I think a majority of of fan base is pretty respectful. A few years back I was at the Tech / Nebraska game and some NU fans were sitting next to me. We talked throughout the game and they let me know that on multiple trips to the Jones they had overall had good experiences. I also spoke with some Baylor fans at the TCU / Baylor game this last Thursday. I was at the game with a friend of mine who went to TCU and there were some obnoxious TCU fans a few rows back making a pretty big scene. Eventually the rude TCU fans left and my TCU friend apologized to the Baylor fans behind us. The Baylor fans made it very clear the worst fans in their minds in the conference by far were OU fans. I let them know I went to Tech and they had nothing but nice things to say about TTU fans. That being said my friend’s 9 year old niece was sitting in a different section and had to leave the game with her father at half because Baylor fans were coming down to taunt her in her TCU gear multiple times. Her father didn’t want to start a fight in front of his daughter so they missed half of a great game. I guess I am just showing examples of awful fans all around our conference, so do we have some fans we aren’t proud of sure, but if we try to do our part to do the university proud I think we will be just fine. Thanks for apologizing for the rest of us and trying to make up for some of the poor ones.
It's pathetic
when fans feel the need to taunt children. I don’t care what team they root for, I just can’t respect that. These are children, and shouldn’t have to go through that.
Twenty years ago, I would go to the Baylor/Tech game every time it was in Waco. When that first started, the Baylor fans were pretty bad. The team had already been bad for a while, and Tech was mediocre. The difference though, was that the Baylor fans could still remember the Grant Teaff days, and that made them cocky. When Tech would beat Baylor, the fans were very poor losers, and in all fairness, the Tech fans were often poor winners.
That changed as the years moved on. I remember the 2001 game in particular, because we were already known as a high-octane passing offense. Ricky Williams rushed for 153 yards and 4 TDs that evening. The Tech fans were cheering but not causing a scene, and the Baylor fans were keeping their mouths shut or just leaving. I almost (ALMOST) felt sorry for the Baylor fans at that point.
I have to say, in recent years, the worst fans are Texas, followed closely by Oklahoma. Part of that seems to be arrogance brought on by winning, although Texas fans have always been bad even during the Fred Akers years.
by RedRaiderForLife95 on Sep 9, 2011 8:59 AM CDT up reply actions
Why do Tech Alumni throw gasoline......
on the “Tech is the only classless fan base in the Big 12” fire? Started by Aggy no doubt…and as the attached link shows (and I could literally attach thousands of links to story’s over the years at both Ut and A&M)
http://www.thebatt.com/2.8482/violence-following-nebraska-game-disgusting-1.1211795
We are our own worse enemy! ALL schools have a small percentage of classless fans!
Our rivals are going to trash us enough, without our own alumni doing it for them!
by Bryan Moore on Sep 10, 2011 10:54 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Chip Brown over there at that Orangebloods.com
has sure changed his tune. Looks like Texas wants to slow down so they can figure out how to well you know screw the rest of us. So I say Fuck Texas.
http://texas.rivals.com/content.asp?CID=1262282
"I feel sorry for the guys," Tech head coach Tommy Tuberville said. "They fought hard tonight. We didn't look good on offense or defense at times, and at times we looked pretty good. It's just, I don't know. Weird game.
Big 10 and Pac-12 won't take them on Texas's terms.
Texas is going to try and salvage the Big 12, in my opinion, but will do so in the same heavy-handed manner that has gotten us where we are today. I think they’ll do that with some success, too, as they still have huge leverage on Iowa State, us, Kansas, Kansas State, etc. If they can keep Oklahoma and OSU around, they’ll be fine. Look for us to expand outside of Texas; U of H has no chance to be in the Big 12, assuming it survives.
So True ...
Love it when you call it like you see it.
by Arizona Raider on Sep 8, 2011 11:36 PM CDT up reply actions
Just spoke with a friend from the capital.
He talked to “the Tech guys” (and is a Tech graduate). I don’t have specifics, but everything he told me was BAD BAD BAD. I do not see any situation where Texas Tech is better off in 2012 than it was before realignment started last year.
Nothing to share, just went line by line through scenarios and they all suck.
Pac-12 looks less likely, not because of anything on our end. They are not going to take Texas on Texas’s terms, which means we aren’t going to be there.
Big 10 isn’t going to take Texas.
Texas is seriously contemplating independence, which is idiotic.
Our best option now is either a revamped Big 12, which could survive if there is only one more defection, and which will be weaker than the old one, and will in any event still remain Texas-centric in terms of revenue sharing, or a brand new non-AQ conference we share with Texas, which will be filled with patsies, and which will be Texas-centric in terms of revenue sharing. Big 12 expansion will not involve any Texas teams.
It just sounds like we aren’t in the driver’s seat and have no leverage. Texas is going to price itself out of conference realignment, and without Texas, we go nowhere. And we won’t be able to make Texas budge on revenue splits.
So we’re going to be in a worse position than we were in 2009, no matter what happens. I thought the Pac-16 was how we would avoid that problem.
Obviously mind the source, he’s a very smart politico, knows a lot of people, but these situations are fluid, so things could change. He stressed that I was getting an update, and nothing is set in stone.
If these things happen...
Can heads roll in the bell tower? Please? There is no reason for us to be forced to rely on UT for our future.
Look, I am not that smart, ask oldschool, he can confirm it.
But if we don’t get into the Wool Sweater League, the Big 12 is the only conference with AQ status all the way until 2016. I read all the bylaws yesterady, it does not matter how many or who is in the Big 12. You’re telling me that Houston, Boise State, Tulsa, Memphis, New Mexico, San Diego State, UNLV, Colorado State, Air Force, none of them would move to an AQ conference.
Baylor will stay, Tech will stay, and I guaranty you Kansas, Kansas State, and Iowa State will hang around. We have an option. We may not like being stuck in a conference that does not have USC or Alabama in it, but damn it, if this is our only optin, then so be it, and let go kcik some ass.
"I feel sorry for the guys," Tech head coach Tommy Tuberville said. "They fought hard tonight. We didn't look good on offense or defense at times, and at times we looked pretty good. It's just, I don't know. Weird game.
I still say...
I’m to the point now that the Bell Tower needs to call Craig Thompson (MWC commissioner) and ask for admission. I think that conference would take us on our own merit, and our football program would help continue pushing them towards AQ status. It also serves notice to the Big XII that a non-AQ conference is preferable to this headache.
With just a tiny bit of luck, one or two of the other schools in the Big XII would then consider MWC as a viable option, and also apply. With the exception of Kansas, I think every football program in the current Big XII is strong enough to increase the MWC’s football profile, and push it to AQ. And if that happened, it would be TECH leading that charge.
by RedRaiderForLife95 on Sep 8, 2011 3:05 PM CDT up reply actions
The other (brattier)
side to me says “you know what, we need to show Texas how much of a ‘Tech problem’ we can be” and wrap them up close and tight and yell to the rafters that we go wherever Texas goes. If the perception about Tech is so bad, that screws the pooch for Texas until they want to treat other schools/conferences/entities with respect.
And that brings up another question. Everyone keeps talking about Texas going independent. How is the state legislature going to feel about that?
by RedRaiderForLife95 on Sep 8, 2011 3:07 PM CDT up reply actions
Our Govenor is an Aggie;
Enough Said.
"I feel sorry for the guys," Tech head coach Tommy Tuberville said. "They fought hard tonight. We didn't look good on offense or defense at times, and at times we looked pretty good. It's just, I don't know. Weird game.
I like this strategy.
I don’t think it’s bratty at all, it’s playing our strongest card, which is that Tech fans are a politically meaningful unit in Texas.
Yea, I think our best option, given the ones I was presented with, was stay in the Big 12.
Hence:
Our best option now is either a revamped Big 12
That’s why I’m pissed off, though. A revamped Big 12 is worse off than we were a year ago, or two years ago.
I also heard that we weren’t going to expand into Texas because it doesn’t help us with TV markets, so I’m skeptical about Houston getting in.
Are we better off without: Colorado, Nebraska, and Texas A&M replaced with any three of [Houston, Boise State, Tulsa, Memphis, New MExico, San Diego State, UNLV, Colorado State, Air Force]?
I think the answer has to be no. And I think more worrisome is that the Big 12 might implode without us, particularly if OU and OSU go to the Pac 12 and UT goes independent, which would be a disaster for all of us. There has to be some point that we lose our AQ and can’t rely on whatever the bylaws say, because the BCS isn’t going to let Iowa State and Kansas State play in BCS games every year just because they’re the last men standing in the Big 12.
If our option is Baylor + Tech + Kansas + Kansas State + Iowa State, that’s a terrible conference, worse than the Mountain West, almost, and we’re not better off that way.
I AM
warming up to this….
"Trust your gut....mine always finds good Mexican food"
-Me
by oldschoolraider on Sep 8, 2011 3:43 PM CDT up reply actions
Except you are excluding one major point.
The Big 12 has AQ status, and it will until 2016. The bylaws state it does not matter how many team or who. The Big 12 Conference has assets. The MWC and CUSA have nothing. So, we go and cherry pick. Like I said earlier, Boise State just beat Georgia, Houston beat UCLA, Balor just beat TCU, not a bad week.
Plus, if we dominte this league, we go to a BCS game, and there is nothing that The Wool Sweater League, $EC, Big East or ACC can do about it.
So, Fuck Texas, OU, Oklahoma, ATM, and Missouri. That was long.
"I feel sorry for the guys," Tech head coach Tommy Tuberville said. "They fought hard tonight. We didn't look good on offense or defense at times, and at times we looked pretty good. It's just, I don't know. Weird game.
so
you maybe go a few years without that safety net of AQ…Maybe. If the best path for us is to go west, but not so far west that we are in wool sweater territory but perhaps the area where turquoise is a big player.
"Trust your gut....mine always finds good Mexican food"
-Me
by oldschoolraider on Sep 8, 2011 4:03 PM CDT up reply actions
It's like negotiating to only find out your negotiating with yourself.
"I feel sorry for the guys," Tech head coach Tommy Tuberville said. "They fought hard tonight. We didn't look good on offense or defense at times, and at times we looked pretty good. It's just, I don't know. Weird game.
just don't
make a long term decision based on a temporary factor….at least that is what my fortune cookie told me today
"Trust your gut....mine always finds good Mexican food"
-Me
by oldschoolraider on Sep 8, 2011 4:18 PM CDT up reply actions
Agreed
Only make the short-term decision if we’re using it to springboard into the long-term solution.
by RedRaiderForLife95 on Sep 8, 2011 4:46 PM CDT up reply actions
Problem with that is:
You have same money and dilute what we’re getting because those schools are not apples to apples with the tv sets leaving, so now we have 16 teams splitting up the same pie and the new tv contract can’t possibly give us what we’re making now or what we’d get in PAC or SEC. I still think our best bet is to hike our skirt to PAC and SEC and see if they’ll let us be their bottom bitch.
Give 'Em Hell Tech!!!!!
If the Big 12 collapses
there is nothing left to automatically qualify for. Texas Tech can’t be the only member of the Big 12 and just declare WE’RE GOING TO A BCS GAME.
Could be our best shot.
"The trouble with our Liberal friends is not that they are ignorant, it's just they know so much that isn't so" Ronald Reagan
This
is why I saw a merger of the Big XII and the MWC as the most likely scenario. It pushes the Big XII to XV (assuming OU OSU and UT stay). At 15 teams, someone (BYU or ND) is bound to jump at the chance to join.
If OU, OSU (PAC) and UT (indy) leave, that puts 5 teams from the Big XII in the MWC. This would not be ideal from a $ standpoint, but would be at least as competitive as the Big East, and should be enough for AQ status.
The only other realistic option is the Big East, who is trying to scrap together enough competative pieces to ot get ripped to shreds in realignment themselves. I haven’t explored this option very fully, but on the surface, it doesn’t seem like a good fit to me.
+1 We could get the MWC to join the big 12 add Houston maybe SMU see if TCU would come back and keep our AQ status. Might be a pretty decent conference. Also fire Beebe and split the revenue equally.
...... on he other hand, in that situation....
….. maybe we should keep the existing model and also keep Beebe at that point. I mean we’d be the one of the Big Dogs! Maybe even the Big Dog! And we could get our own network!! And Hocutt could push Beebe around and call him “Bitch!” and get him to say and do all kinds of silly stuff. Maybe everyone could learn to hate us for our greed and arrogance. And we could do it too, because "We are Texas!….. Tech!…….
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by Dunka on Sep 8, 2011 4:35 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
I thought about that this morning...
Then I looked in the mirror, and saw the (long)horns starting to peak out from my hair, and said “oh HELL no!!!”
by RedRaiderForLife95 on Sep 8, 2011 4:48 PM CDT up reply actions
I hope that is not true, why would Hance and Baily do that;
unless we are going to the Wool Sweater League, damn Tech92, you got my hopes up again.
"I feel sorry for the guys," Tech head coach Tommy Tuberville said. "They fought hard tonight. We didn't look good on offense or defense at times, and at times we looked pretty good. It's just, I don't know. Weird game.
I think it is now time for Tech to abandon UT - The Et Tu Brute moment of this drama
Tina Fey put it best:
Why should Caesar get to stomp around like a giant, while the rest of us try not to get smushed under his big feet? What’s so great about Caesar? Hm? Brutus is just as cute as Caesar. Brutus is just as smart as Caesar. People totally like Brutus just as much as they like Caesar. And when did it become okay for one person to be the boss of everybody, huh? Because that’s not what Rome is about. We should totally just stab Caesar!
2011 Season - No excuses. Just win!
I'm torn
Going to play out west would be fun, but I’m not making those trips. I’ll make the trip to College Station, Austin, Waco, or up to OK, but CA is a freaking long drive. I also think it would hurt recruiting. Momma and Daddy don’t want to make that trip every other weekend either.
Rebuilding the Big 12 with a combo of MWC and Conf. USA is OK, as long as there is equality and we keep the AQ BCS Bowl deal. I’m fine putting the old SWC back together and dough poppin’ SMU, TCU, and UH every year.
I’m kinda torn between these scenarios, but whatever happens, we have to use this opportunity to get out from under ut’s thumb. At least get on even ground with them. Any scenario that accomplishes that would suit me fine.
"it's faster horses, younger women, older whiskey, and more money"
The notion that Tech has any control over it's destiny is fading
Rather we’re waiting to see what brand of medicine we’ll have to swallow.
Still, I’m not a big fan of the re-constituted (weakened) B12 scenario. Yes, I suppose it makes a BCS bowl instantly more attainable. But, would we end up looking like last season’s UConn?
Long term I see potential downward trends in TV revenue, game attendance, recruiting, ability to attract/retain top-level coaches, etc.
On a side note, I have always felt that Tech is similar in many ways to OSU. Yet in most realignment scenarios, they are sitting pretty and we are shaky. Why? Solely because their good fortune is to be hitched to a powerful, but generally beneficent big brother while our great misfortune is to be hitched to the evil empire?
Pretty much, that’s the only reason. I read somewhere (maybe on another thread here) that Oklahoma and Oklahoma St have the same BOR. That makes a huge difference.
by RedRaiderForLife95 on Sep 8, 2011 7:13 PM CDT up reply actions
I'm too lazy to look that up but I think someone from oSu
Said OU has a board, OSU has a board, and their directional schools have a board.
Interestingly though. I read somewhere that North Carolina has one board for all of their state colleges and they’re dominated by Chappel Hill alums. Sucks for NC State.
Give 'Em Hell Tech!!!!!
by Plano Jeff on Sep 8, 2011 8:02 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
iPhone app not bad
It’s free y’all should try it.
Give 'Em Hell Tech!!!!!
by Plano Jeff on Sep 8, 2011 7:53 PM CDT via iPhone app reply actions
It's nice, but you can't see or post FanShots or FanPosts
Until it does, I’ll continue to use the mobile version of the site. Hopefully they update with those features soon!
"They challenged us. They said, 'Here, try to run past us, try to run inside us.' And they were better at preventing that than we were throwing and catching it." --Mike Leach
You're definitely right
But I like how it finds Tech story lines and blends in my pro teams better than my ESPN app. I still couldn’t live without my ESPN app during this pennant race, but I like what they’re doing here.
Give 'Em Hell Tech!!!!!
by Plano Jeff on Sep 8, 2011 11:21 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
UT agrees to to equal revenue sharing???
“ChrisLevel: Interesting what Pickens just said about equality. Learned tonight that UT has agreed to it but OU hasn’t come around yet. #thebig12lives?”
—http://twitter.com/ChrisLevel/status/111989543003107328
"There is no chance he will win, but if you think about it carefully he would be a pretty good candidate. He says a lot with no substance, he's proven he can be bought, he's dishonest, and he has the personality of a TV evangelist so I think he would be perfect in Washington!"-- Mike Leach (When asked if he would vote for Craig James for Senate)
by Filemon G on Sep 8, 2011 9:40 PM CDT via mobile reply actions
I just heared the interview as well.
According to Pickens it will all come out very shortly. He also said ATM is not going to the SEC. Can it be, that finally we get a score board and an indoor facility, and we can pay for our baseball face lift.
Another Red Raider First Down.
"I feel sorry for the guys," Tech head coach Tommy Tuberville said. "They fought hard tonight. We didn't look good on offense or defense at times, and at times we looked pretty good. It's just, I don't know. Weird game.
My question is.. Who is negotiating on behalf of Texas Tech's interests in all of these discussions?
But I’m not sure I want to hear the answer…
"Transition is hard." - TT
by Houston Raider on Sep 8, 2011 10:34 PM CDT up reply actions
IF (That is a BIG if) this is true I hope Tuberville demands the money that Big12 fined him last year for say that unequal revenue sharing will always be a problem in this conference.
by DallasRedRaider78 on Sep 8, 2011 10:13 PM CDT reply actions
I'm hearing
it’s only equal sharing for tier 1 and 2 rights, so UT would get to keep the LHN and all that money for themselves.
i can live with that
"There is no chance he will win, but if you think about it carefully he would be a pretty good candidate. He says a lot with no substance, he's proven he can be bought, he's dishonest, and he has the personality of a TV evangelist so I think he would be perfect in Washington!"-- Mike Leach (When asked if he would vote for Craig James for Senate)
by Filemon G on Sep 8, 2011 10:19 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
I can too, that is a major concession.
Maybe too early to get excited, but if this is where we end up, then I can warm up to it.
"I feel sorry for the guys," Tech head coach Tommy Tuberville said. "They fought hard tonight. We didn't look good on offense or defense at times, and at times we looked pretty good. It's just, I don't know. Weird game.
I can live with that only if we can't go to PAC
If Larry Scott invites us with sooners and cowboys, we should blow this thing up. I’m sick if ut. It’s only a temporary fix. If SEC wants aggie, they’re going for 16. Which means our fort is not secure. We should let the BE and PAC know we’re available. Wouldn’t hurt to do the same to SEC.
Give 'Em Hell Tech!!!!!
by Plano Jeff on Sep 8, 2011 11:32 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Yes, Wool Sweater League is a Must
"I feel sorry for the guys," Tech head coach Tommy Tuberville said. "They fought hard tonight. We didn't look good on offense or defense at times, and at times we looked pretty good. It's just, I don't know. Weird game.
I would be able to possibly live with that on the follow conditions
My conditions are that the LHN isn’t pushed onto any basic cable tiers so true Longhorn fans have to pay the extra money for the network and that is who funds it. I am not ok with users who don’t want to send money to UT being forced to. In my mind it just sucks knowing that even if your monthly bill doesn’t go up that your boxes are sending a rumored $0.40 per box to UT coffers. This way the only true UT are the ones funding the network. That is acceptable in my book and I don’t think ESPN will ever recoup their $11+ million a year they are paying UT. If they do, then nice work on being able to sustain that. The second that it is only lower tier colleges who can provide content for the network like UTSA, not high schools. I know I am not the one negotiating, but these are the points that I think caused TAMU to finally bolt. Equal revenue sharing really wasn’t one of them because they were getting a larger share of the pot.
by sburnett1855 on Sep 8, 2011 10:56 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Ahhh…so nothing really has changed? I keep forgetting equal=not equal in ut language.
by DallasRedRaider78 on Sep 8, 2011 10:20 PM CDT reply actions
No conference has equal revenue sharing for all tiers.
At least I’m pretty sure that’s the case. The SEC certainly doesn’t have equal revenue sharing for third tier rights.
People File Lawsuits Over Money Every Day
and Baylor will too if they don’t see themselves ending up in a BCS conference.
Don’t be too surprised if other Big 12 teams do likewise, including Texas Tech.
I think Tech will be fine regardless of what dominoes fall next. We have too many alumni and fans and positive things going for us. Plus, Lubbock is a City of strivers. It rubs off on a lot of us.
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