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the fact they worked together was the edge after looking over all the candidates? I mean, even at that, how many could there have been and at what quality…
Shawn Johnson... she's a nice lady
Good point...
Most people:
one candidate = 1
a couple of candidates = 2
a few candidates = 4
a half dozen candidates or so = 5-8
a lot of candidate = 10 or more
Be honest, it’s not that hard!
For example: “I talked my way into this job…I really have no idea what I’m doing!”
People appreciate honesty! Ask George Washington!
Or Jesse James, formerly Sandra Bullock’s husband!
Doesn't everyone "talk their way" into a job ...?
"Fearless champions ever be; Stand on heights of victory"
by Let's Go Tech! on Jan 17, 2012 7:25 AM CST up reply actions
On what basis
is a lot more than 10? Other than Kaufman what other decent names did we hear from?
Shawn Johnson... she's a nice lady
"I looked at a lot of candidates."
What is your definition Noah?
Fill me in Big Boy?
What is the definition of is is or "looked at"
I look at lots of things
College Football: "Our Traditions are now for Sale"
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"Well the ball just didnt bounce our way today" Tommy Tubervile, after decades of coaching experience, the best he can do ....................................................................................................................................
Blaze a trail, spend some time in West Texas, feel the sand sting your skin and burn your eyes, let the winter dry your hands, learn that its there only because our ancestors didn’t want to be around other people … that’s West Texas
It's irrelevant
because like I said, other than Kaufman, what other similar tier names did we hear about for the application of the job? Your premise that he breezed through all the candidates holds no water. The only thing anyone can gather from that quote is the unique factor Kaufman provided for the staff and that’s assuming everyone else was just as good as a potential DC. Ask anyone around here, they want a heavily experienced coach, and the fact Kaufman has done it at all levels of college football in terms of competition does put him above other coaches who may be good, but only at lower division levels. Part of that reasoning is to have the best opportunity to salvage the standard of Tech football for this upcoming year and if that doesn’t work out, then we know for sure that Tuberville needs to go. But let me put it to you this way, if you saw a bunch of candidates that were even close to each other in terms of their potential as a DC, would you pick a stranger, or a guy you know that is just as good as the other guy? This is in an ideal situation, mind you, so Tubs likely saw Kaufman as the best candidate anyway, and their familiarity with each other was simply a plus. You’ll probably just say the stranger to fuck with me so don’t even bother actually answering the question.
Shawn Johnson... she's a nice lady
Kaufman may be the right guy and a good fit for tuBS. I think what may have been the point of this is Tuberville’s casual acquaintance with the truth.
Simple rule of thumb: Everything before the but is BS.
by FriscoRaider on Jan 13, 2012 6:39 PM CST up reply actions
credibility is earned...
Tubs has blown through whatever he came to Lubbock with. Anything further is earned with only one thing:
Wins.
Whether this is art Kaufman or Andy Kaufman doesn’t make a bit of difference. Just win and stop the excuses. Empty stadiums await if not.
This is a 3 ring circus up in here......
by oldschoolraider on Jan 13, 2012 6:40 PM CST via iPhone app reply actions
You don’t get to call people names on DTN. I think you have done this numerous times when referring to Tuberville and it seems to be a problem. Final warning.
Go Raiders . . .
Double-T Nation
Seriously? People are getting reprimanded for referring to Tuberville as a dufus?
by PBK on Jan 13, 2012 10:03 PM CST via mobile reply actions
C'mon, Seth's job is tough
Don’t make it tougher. We don’t call people names. Period.
Die-hard Texas Tech girl & new Cougar (fan)! Bring it!
by Austin, Tx on Jan 13, 2012 10:16 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
I for one think Seth does a great job policing the site. If you can’t bring a valid argument and have to revert to name calling then you should be warned. This is not a middle school.
by cjp on Jan 13, 2012 10:21 PM CST via mobile up reply actions 2 recs
This site rocks as my source of fun, info, facts, and opinions about Tech.
Put-downs for the sake add nothing. I can read those at unmonitored sites. But those areworthless because of it. Just argument sites. DTN is the best.
and the name calling thing, once you catch yourself, your revised statement actually has a better point than just being emotional
College Football: "Our Traditions are now for Sale"
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"Well the ball just didnt bounce our way today" Tommy Tubervile, after decades of coaching experience, the best he can do ....................................................................................................................................
Blaze a trail, spend some time in West Texas, feel the sand sting your skin and burn your eyes, let the winter dry your hands, learn that its there only because our ancestors didn’t want to be around other people … that’s West Texas
Yes. If you would like to moderate and run the site let me know and charge up that slippery slope when people start calling other people names and it gets out of control. cjp is right, when you have to resort to name-calling your “take” has little merit. Out!!!!!
Go Raiders . . .
Double-T Nation
by Seth C on Jan 13, 2012 10:34 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
You may not have seen Seth's previous post about this on another thread recently.....
… turns out that allowing “dufus” and things on that level in (the past) had opened the barn door the last time he decided to let it go. Everyone has a different idea of what is harmless and it doesn’t always meet what others think. The safest way to manage it is to just not do it at any level. It really is a core reason the “feel” of DTN is so much better than other sites.
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by Dunka on Jan 14, 2012 7:53 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
DTN is SOOOO much better
than most of these other sites because of Seth’s rules about name-calling and other stuff. If you don’t see that, spend some time on another site (say, RP.com) and see what gigantic juvenile spitting matches ensue that just absolutely RUIN any discussion about anything. I get tired of seeing that junk elsewhere, and I don’t want to see that ruin DTN.
by djn on Jan 15, 2012 5:07 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Let's Hope For a Good Season
Regardless of who the coach is, I would like to see our football team succeed. We have a chance to have a special team this year. I mean, I don’t expect our defense to get any worse.
Yes yes yes
I am not a tubs fan and would like to see him gone, but not at the expense of another losing season. If he is the coach, so be it. Let’s WIN some games. No more excuses, just win.
Get your kicks, on route 66...
by ReneR on Jan 14, 2012 8:49 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
The Tech DC job is not all that attractive,
So there probably weren’t that many high quality candidates. The best thing about it is that whoever steps in is likely to get some improvement if for no other reason than there’s no place to go but up. Otherwise, it’s a risky job. High probability that the HC will not survive more than one or two more seasons. Kaufman is probably as good as we can expect to get. I wish him well.
"When you are right no one remembers, when you are wrong no one forgets."
Glasgow proved that even when there is no other direction to go but up, it is still possible to go down. I think he actually defied some Newtonian or Einsteinian scientific laws by doing this.
Physicists had predicted wormholes for years - He just confirmed it
"...Fight for the school we love so dearly"
Kaufman
Has proven credentials. Give him a chance, he might just surprise you. Whether Coach Tuberville interviewed 1 or 10 candidates, we will never know what went on behind the scenes. When I interview a candidate for a job, I already have the type of person I want in mind.
by TechPrezNB on Jan 14, 2012 8:32 AM CST reply actions 1 recs
So who would you rather have had?
Kaufman seems like a good hire under the circumstances. Is there more information that you have about the new coach ? Just curious
by jef on Jan 14, 2012 3:34 PM CST via mobile reply actions
Who thinks they know position coaches anyway
What we know as fans can fill a thimble, besides that the chemistry is the most important thing, and I think tuBS has that with these guys
I say, We need to hit the ground running and quickly, not spend a few weeks getting to know each other
College Football: "Our Traditions are now for Sale"
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"Well the ball just didnt bounce our way today" Tommy Tubervile, after decades of coaching experience, the best he can do ....................................................................................................................................
Blaze a trail, spend some time in West Texas, feel the sand sting your skin and burn your eyes, let the winter dry your hands, learn that its there only because our ancestors didn’t want to be around other people … that’s West Texas
Ok.
I am pretty dense, but I understood what he means by “what we did before” he is talking about a 4-3 defense. Quit grasping for straws here.
yes that and perhaps just what they accomplished and how they did it before...kind of all of it as a staff.
Living large in Texas...Texas forever.
I agree. I’m glad we have some experience in the DC position and the staff shake-up was due. Don’t forget MackB fired them all after his 5-7 year and went 7-5 with his NEW staff. They have all the money and played 500-ball for 2 years? I read somewhere a couple years ago that the rich people downstate have a $140M athletic budget vs. TT’s $40M so it’s not lost on me they now have the #1 recruiting class for 2012. Have you ever been to Stillwater in January? Try selling that. Boone and $250M have helped get them to the top and they’ll probably stay there for a while. Your best support is with your wallet and here’s hoping Hocutt and Tuberville continue to raise the $$. Wreck ’em.
Row well and live...Ben-Hur
by TTGrill on Jan 15, 2012 10:01 AM CST reply actions 1 recs
All the name-calling aside, I’ve noticed quite an influx of positivity about this upcoming season and, oddly enough, Tuberville’s ability as a coach. Ummm, what am I missing? Somebody tell me anything that’s happened (sans recruiting) from the past two years that gives you confidence about the next two. Please share, as I would absolutely love to be in the state of euphoria that has apparently been going around as of late.
by PBK on Jan 15, 2012 10:49 AM CST via mobile reply actions
For me I just have to believe it's going to get better
I don’t have any more confidence in Tubs as a coach. But it does seem with the D hires he’s made there is a better chance of more chemistry & consistency on that side of the ball which is a positive.
Adam James is gone which is a positive.
I honestly don’t believe this year can be worse than last year so that’s a positive.
BTW, nice rack.
Die-hard Texas Tech girl & new Cougar (fan)! Bring it!
Yup!
I really don’t trust Tubs either, but I think this is a smart move on his part. After all, if you actually know someone and have worked with them it’s not a bad idea to turn to them in a time of need if you feel they can do the job. Kaufman’s got a lot of experience and has worked in a lot of different places—and for some good coaches. Tubs may be lucky he was available. Hope Kaufman works out. I just want to WIN—period!
BTW, I wonder what kind of tacos they’ll be selling at the Jones this fall. Mmmmmmm!
Totally forgot about the Adam James thing…definite positive. Don’t know if I’m as confident about the other stuff…aside from the rack thing. She’s somethin’ else huh? I’ve always believe it’s good to dream! ;-)
No mercy
I think if Tubs wants to keep his job, he knows each loss is just a step closer to being fired. This is why I have some faith in the program not only for next year, but what it builds for the future years once everything is established. This may sound outlandish, but I think he’s going to win 9 games next year. There’s very little to back this up on, but basically my rationale is that with some programs going downward (Baylor WAY down, OK St., and a cupcake nonconference opponent that will replace WVU since they will likely not finish and much less win their trail by july 1st), us only able to go up, and with the pressure on Tubs to get his team ready to play and ready to win, we manage 8 regular season wins and a bowl victory. Again, I know this is really kind of baseless, but theoritically these things work more in our favor than they did this past year.
Shawn Johnson... she's a nice lady
WVUs Oliver Luck has basically said they are playing in the XII in ’12. It boils down to where are the repercussions greater and who has more leverage. What can the Big East actually do to WVU ? withhold their 2011 payout, ok that will cost them a few million, assess a penalty the equlivant of sending them a bill that they never have to pay.
Remember this same thing happened with Atm and the XII, basically the loosing conference settles for what they can actually collect (withhold) from the departing team. I know the Big East added some legalese but I think in the end that was just for appearances. The new XII actually has teeth, you sign you TV rights to the conference for a number of years, so who would want you if your TV cant come too
College Football: "Our Traditions are now for Sale"
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"Well the ball just didnt bounce our way today" Tommy Tubervile, after decades of coaching experience, the best he can do ....................................................................................................................................
Blaze a trail, spend some time in West Texas, feel the sand sting your skin and burn your eyes, let the winter dry your hands, learn that its there only because our ancestors didn’t want to be around other people … that’s West Texas
by Gus Mitchem on Jan 16, 2012 10:12 AM CST up reply actions
Well
Perhaps what you said can, and probably could happen, but I think the start date for trail is sometime in June… they have to be done by July 1st. I guess it depends on who is willing to give up the most.
Shawn Johnson... she's a nice lady
That’s what I mean…what in the past two years would lead ANYONE to believe we’ll win 9? My post asked for reasoning, and you give me blind faith in, what exactly? It’s absolutely astonishing to hear people use the reasoning that “well, it can’t be as bad as last year.” Well, I assure you, it absolutely can be, there are numerous programs that can confirm that for you. This is my thing, I get blind faith…I had as much or more faith in the previous staff as anybody, but I came to that blind faith after being presented with evidence to do so. I’ve simply asked, what about Tuby gives you that confidence…cause I’ve watched every game these last few years. And I’ve seen nothing but things that have given the opposite reaction and an EXTREME opposite reaction, in all honesty. Noah, you’ve been as fervent a defender of Tuby (at least in the threads I read, though I’ll admit I could have missed things…I care nothing for college basketball of either gender) as any on this board. Surely there is a significant reason for your confidence. Again, I would love to be made privvy to this info…I’m tired of feeling like our program, which I honestly, HONESTLY, believed was on the track to becoming a BCS mainstay, is crashing down so completely and quickly. Please enlighten me.
by PBK on Jan 16, 2012 9:49 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
Optimism
is a dangerous thing, but look at what purple Kansas did this year. All it takes is a good scheme and a shift in mentality and you can beat 80% of the conference
College Football: "Our Traditions are now for Sale"
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"Well the ball just didnt bounce our way today" Tommy Tubervile, after decades of coaching experience, the best he can do ....................................................................................................................................
Blaze a trail, spend some time in West Texas, feel the sand sting your skin and burn your eyes, let the winter dry your hands, learn that its there only because our ancestors didn’t want to be around other people … that’s West Texas
by Gus Mitchem on Jan 16, 2012 10:14 AM CST up reply actions
Ok, I’ll give you that. What evidence has this coach given to make you believe that’s a possibility? I’m just trying to understand what people are seeing with Tuby.
by PBK on Jan 16, 2012 10:37 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
O Im not saying
Im just saying that it is possible, based on our talent level to turn a program with the right attitude.
Do I have that optimism ? Winning every game except Tx, Ou & Osu Im at 10%
College Football: "Our Traditions are now for Sale"
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"Well the ball just didnt bounce our way today" Tommy Tubervile, after decades of coaching experience, the best he can do ....................................................................................................................................
Blaze a trail, spend some time in West Texas, feel the sand sting your skin and burn your eyes, let the winter dry your hands, learn that its there only because our ancestors didn’t want to be around other people … that’s West Texas
This is what I found.
Tommy went 5-7 with Auburn and then went 9-4. So, there can be big swings in teams.
Purple Kansas has clear direction.
Below is an article on ESPN. Bill Snyder came in and established his coaching philosophy and has given them clear direction.
http://espn.go.com/blog/big12/post/_/id/36615/is-bill-snyder-the-best-football-coach-ever
Going into Tubby’s 3rd year do we have an identity on Offense? Defense? Special Teams? Recruiting?
by Oldgreywolf on Jan 16, 2012 10:45 AM CST up reply actions
Exactly. Those “miracle turnarounds” that everyone point to didn’t just miraculously happen.
by PBK on Jan 16, 2012 10:51 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
My blind faith in him
is blind to the record we posted this past season. Think about it. In the Texas A&M game, we are a blocked field goal away from a 40-38 win (Adam James’ fault for missing an assignment), a pick-6 away from a tie game with Kansas State (Seth’s fault) and perhaps another 6 points to win that were blocked, and a tipped INT away from a win against Mizzou near their goal line. Now even without these events, perhaps it’s still possible we still lose, but when you can look at three losses and pick individual plays that theoritically make up the difference in the score with a tie or a lead, you can’t pick on Tubs for it. Those are player mistakes. Believe it or not, it’s not all on coaching. Even Andrew Luck has made INT’s before.
If those games work out for us without those particular mistakes, we’re suddenly 8-4, possibly 9-4 with a bowl win. It was completely possible this year. Was coaching perfect? No, but it certainly didn’t help the team that a significant portion of offensive production (i.e. Stephens, Moore, Torres) was injured at some point in the year, and easily over half the defense injured. Even if injuries weren’t the biggest factor, it’s impossible to deny their influence.
So we have potential wins without player mistakes, injuries, and let’s not forget the obvious lack of chemistry in the coaching staff. I think it’s fair to say when the coaches aren’t meshing, it’s obvious for the players to see things aren’t right and it results in a less than stellar coaching job that these guys are fully ccapable of in different situations. But guess what! He’s fixing that with 3-4 assistants coming in that he’s worked with before. So maybe this bad coaching thing disappears.
And you can’t discount his resume either. He made Ole Miss relevant in the SEC, and led Auburn to 5 SEC West division titles. Sure, he isn’t at those schools anymore, much less the SEC, but I don’t think things have gone his way enough, with the shitstorm that has been the two years, for us to judge him at his best.
If he can’t get it done next year, I’m up for a new coach, but for now, as Deion Sanders would say, “I beLIEVE IN [TUBBY]”
Shawn Johnson... she's a nice lady
the tuBS success was due to winning the recruiting lottery ! Not good coaching !
They really got some guys that were / developed into NFL players
College Football: "Our Traditions are now for Sale"
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"Well the ball just didnt bounce our way today" Tommy Tubervile, after decades of coaching experience, the best he can do ....................................................................................................................................
Blaze a trail, spend some time in West Texas, feel the sand sting your skin and burn your eyes, let the winter dry your hands, learn that its there only because our ancestors didn’t want to be around other people … that’s West Texas
Of course not, but it sure was genetically gifted. Go and look at some of the drafts he had, that isnt hard work alone.
College Football: "Our Traditions are now for Sale"
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"Well the ball just didnt bounce our way today" Tommy Tubervile, after decades of coaching experience, the best he can do ....................................................................................................................................
Blaze a trail, spend some time in West Texas, feel the sand sting your skin and burn your eyes, let the winter dry your hands, learn that its there only because our ancestors didn’t want to be around other people … that’s West Texas
And that is why Brown went 5-7 and 7-5, respectively.
Brown is a great recruiter, but changed his philosophy and decided he wanted to run like Alabama after they lost the last NC. Brown is not a good coach.
Tommy has proved thus far that he is neither a good coach, nor a good recruiter. He over estimated the power of Texas Tech and Lubbock. He is in full panic mode, and in most cases, that spells disaster.
"Oh, yeah. We don't even talk about Bowls much. We're so far away from being a team right now that can have a chance to compete in a Bowl." HC Tommy Tuberville.
Well, if you think that none of the things you’ve mentioned are on the coaching, that’s you’re God-given opinion. I am in the profession, and I’ve seen first-hand how coaching, or a lack thereof, can derail the ability and potential of a team. I’ve also watched morale plummet at the hands of those who have poor results, but more importantly, pass the buck on the responsibility of those results. Don’t think anyone can show me proof of where he’s taken responsibility for this team and it’s fall the past two years. So it’s a difference of opinion. But, you have a tendency to jump on those of us less impressed with Tuberville, and it’s appalling that you do so with no more than the idea of blaming the players and his resume. Which, btw, let’s not forget that Tuby was fired by Auburn after they decided that the modern game was beginning to pass him by. Well, there is no conference with a more “modern” style than the Big 12. That’s my issue with you and the Tuberville praise wagon. The evidence to this point is not inspiring, to say the least. Now I genuinely hope he gets his head out of his ass and is what you say he is…but I’m saddened by the fact that this offseason is very possibly the actualization of Tuby grabbing at the proverbial straws. The problem with that, is that if he’s simply delaying the inevitable firing that is likely, it will have far reaching consequences beyond his miserable time here. So yes, I respect your opinion, but I differ greatly in mine, and in all honesty, have more reason than you to feel so. So that’s what I’m saying. I’m all for these players (who Tuby repeatedly blasts as being not good enough) but there is NOTHING about Tuby that installs faith in me going forward.
by PBK on Jan 16, 2012 1:48 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Let's correct some things
- I did say their were coaching issues.
- He wasn’t fired from Auburn, he resigned.
- In fact Auburn wanted him to stay.
I think what is important to understand is that we need to see him at his best. Not very many coaches can get kids the caliber that Tech has had to play at the level Leach did, so we need to see how Tuberville can do with a good portion of recruits he’s responsible for. I know we don’t really have time for that, but I don’t think we need to wait anyways. Even with the increased rushing production, this offense was still a top 10 passing offense and a top 25 scoring offense. I think this should be a perfect example for most Tech fans who seem to believe defense isn’t relevant anymore. “Defense wins championships” doesn’t simply apply to specific defensive performances to win a championship, it’s a general aspect of the game that implies the defense dictates how successul the opposing offense is. For a lot of other teams, if they had the offensive production we had, so for example Texas, they would arguably be competing for a conference title. So I don’t think the “modern game” is passing him by.
Now of course you may point out that with the defensive “genuis” Tubs is supposed to be, we aren’t seeing it. Well, it doesn’t help that there was no chemisty between him and the past two DC’s, which probably led to a lot of ineffective coaching and injuries on that side of the ball speak for themselves, but I also don’t think the personnel could quite handle the scheme. I mean, shit, Belichick is now just figuring out the best personnel grouping for his defense after switching players back and forth from position to position all year, and he is a thousand times better defensive mind than Tuberville.
My hopes for next year aren’t the most strongly supported, but I think if Tubs can get good success next year, the momentum will make him the guy we expect to see of him.
Shawn Johnson... she's a nice lady
Technically he did resign
- He wasn’t fired from Auburn, he resigned.
- In fact Auburn wanted him to stay.
But they wanted him gone so much that they were willing to pays millions of dollars for him to just go away. Make no mistake, tuBS got a huge payday for resigning.
Simple rule of thumb: Everything before the but is BS.
by FriscoRaider on Jan 16, 2012 7:10 PM CST up reply actions
This is how much they wanted him to stay
http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/story?id=3742934
Auburn’s statement said the $5.1 million prorated buyout will be paid but no state or university funds will be used. Jacobs is scheduled to hold a news conference Thursday morning to discuss the coaching change.
A representative of Auburn reached out to Texas Tech coach Mike Leach, through intermediaries, to gauge his interest in the opening, on Tuesday night, a person familiar with the conversation told ESPN’s Joe Schad.
Simple rule of thumb: Everything before the but is BS.
by FriscoRaider on Jan 16, 2012 7:39 PM CST up reply actions
Hey look Mike’s agent got him some press right there in the middle of our little thing about tuBS, man that guy is good
College Football: "Our Traditions are now for Sale"
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"Well the ball just didnt bounce our way today" Tommy Tubervile, after decades of coaching experience, the best he can do ....................................................................................................................................
Blaze a trail, spend some time in West Texas, feel the sand sting your skin and burn your eyes, let the winter dry your hands, learn that its there only because our ancestors didn’t want to be around other people … that’s West Texas
Really, I have been accused of being a lot of things, but never of being a press agent. The block quote came directly from the article, I didn’t piece it together. Gus, you have Mike number? I need to give him a call and see about getting on the payroll.
Simple rule of thumb: Everything before the but is BS.
by FriscoRaider on Jan 17, 2012 9:16 AM CST up reply actions
Exactly, from the article
No the article, it shows the games that MLs agent was playing the entire time he was at TTU
To think Auburn was ever really interested thats funny
College Football: "Our Traditions are now for Sale"
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"Well the ball just didnt bounce our way today" Tommy Tubervile, after decades of coaching experience, the best he can do ....................................................................................................................................
Blaze a trail, spend some time in West Texas, feel the sand sting your skin and burn your eyes, let the winter dry your hands, learn that its there only because our ancestors didn’t want to be around other people … that’s West Texas
by Gus Mitchem on Jan 17, 2012 10:29 AM CST up reply actions
Auburn may or may not have been interested, who cares. What we do know is that Auburn was not interested in tuBS coaching there anymore and were willing to pay a lot of money to make sure that he did not.
Simple rule of thumb: Everything before the but is BS.
by FriscoRaider on Jan 17, 2012 10:55 AM CST up reply actions
Had Tuberville stayed
at Auburn thru 2013 as per his contract, he would have been payed 6 million. Need to know anymore?
Simple rule of thumb: Everything before the but is BS.
by FriscoRaider on Jan 16, 2012 7:58 PM CST up reply actions
Pat Dye had his eye on Chizick for years, how else can you explain that they hired a coach with such a horrible record and actually made it stick with the fanbase.
They scored one NC but now the program is almost as bad off as ours.
College Football: "Our Traditions are now for Sale"
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"Well the ball just didnt bounce our way today" Tommy Tubervile, after decades of coaching experience, the best he can do ....................................................................................................................................
Blaze a trail, spend some time in West Texas, feel the sand sting your skin and burn your eyes, let the winter dry your hands, learn that its there only because our ancestors didn’t want to be around other people … that’s West Texas
Wow. Tubs “resigned” because Auburn wanted his rear gone…but that technicality is true. As for the modern game, our offense is statistically successful, but anyone who has watched a game can see how that success, especially at the end of the year, was fleeting once they got into the red zone. This doesn’t remotely surprise me as I’ve heard from several personalities around Lubbock and Tech that Tuby takes a great deal of play calling control in the red zone. Is this fact? Maybe, maybe not. But I find it more than possible, as the OC we have has a history of running a top five offense. It would also explain the apparent personality schism that has occurred for tech in and out of the red zone. They just dont look themseoves most of the time down there. So I maintain, the modern game and Tuby don’t mesh…and this is further proven by his inability to defend against the modern offense. I find it alarmingly convenient to blame the lack of success (how bout that for understatement) on a lack of “chemistry” between he and his DCs and injuries. Btw, every coach is required to hire his DC…the “chemistry” issue falls on his shoulders. And every coach in the nation deals with injuries. You clearly want Tuby to successful, and that’s fine. I want Tech to be successful. I just don’t feel like Tech will be successful until he’s gone. I’m just tired of excuses, both from and about him. He’s supposed to be this badass coach (according to our BoR)…freakin prove it! All I ask.
by PBK on Jan 16, 2012 9:57 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Modern game?
Like the spread offense he tried to impose at Auburn in his last year? How does failing to defend the pass mean he doesn’t mesh with the modern game? Defenses like the Saints, Packers, and Patriots in the NFL were all three last in the league in pass yards allowed. This modern game thing makes it seem like “if you’re old, the modern game is passing you by” but I see a lot of head coaches in their 50’s like Tuberville and there isn’t an issue. Even if you’re not getting at that specific point, I don’t see another aspect of him that could possibly justify the mesh thing. There’s nothing about the “modern game” that is so intrisically more complex that someone who has been in the football business for decades can’t figure out.
And you’re right, chemisty issues fall on the HC and everyone does deal with injuries, but if you truly believe that had no affect on the team’s ability to play the game well, then I think you need to look at the list of 18-20 players who needed surgery by season’s end. This wasn’t simply a matter of some key players going down, but this was a matter of the depth chart just being completely depleted. Asking “not as good” players to play even longer throughout a game for several weeks in a row does affect the game played. Being “not as good” should speak for itself, but having to play even longer than they should in a game does get tiring, and that leads to just being gassed throughout the game and losing the grasp on fundamentals when playing and not to mention that there’s only so much they can take mentally. Most teams do not deal with this kind of situation.
Oh and about the chemistry deal, as I said before, Tuberville is giving it his best shot to fix that with the people he recently hired that have worked with him before. Chemistry among coaches is just as real as chemistry amongst teammates.
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What I mean about him not “meshing” with the modern game is two- fold. First, Tuby doesn’t believe in it. He’s made a point to let everyone know how “essential” a power running game is to “winning championships.” Most of the modern spread teams use a finesse running game, Texas Tech previously (and Ok. St. currently) only ran inside and outside zone. Tuby “installed” a spread at Auburn largely against his will and the second he started struggling with it, he scrapped it. Second, he doesn’t get it. It’s certainly not more difficult to understand from a conceptual standpoint, but, for some, it’s hard to change who you are and what you’ve always done. I’d again point to our offensive troubles inside the red zone when it appears Tuby has more input into the offense and flat say he doesn’t get it. That’s not because he’s older, its because he’s him. And the defense, which you give him a pass on because of the changes in personnel, I feel is his greatest failure. He came in with the talk of how we had to be more than an offensive team to win and he’s proceeded to put out the worst two year defensive showing in our school’s history. Chemistry be damned…if he was aware of how to fix the issue, he would’ve stepped in and usurped the DC’s planning responsibility and done so. I’ll give him some leeway for injuries, but I don’t remember there being this many injuries the year before and we were just as bad. Maybe, just maybe, the modern game has passed him by. Not because he’s old, or because it’s complicated, not because we had injuries, but because he is Tuby. And I will also say this, getting backups ready to play is part of being a great coach. Guys like Snyder, Holgo, and Leach get the most out of less talented players, it’s just a part of the game. And in Lubbock, while competing against UT, OU, Ok. St., and A&M in the recruiting game, one better be prepared to work with less talent than desired.
Well
the last 6 teams to win championships actually have been power running teams….
Also, I’m pretty sure one of the stats that were good with Tech this year was red zone efficiency. Idk what you’re talking about with that, because several times during the year we were commented on about how efficient that offense was in the red zone.
Nothing is ever a for sure answer. Trying to get the right environment for your team is like an experiment and of course once you see the results you know how to work it. I’m sure if his hiring of former colleagues doesn’t work, nothing will and he should leave.
Backups aren’t just ready to play midway through the season for almost entire games. Hardly is there a team, even with the coaches you listed, that can make back ups ready to play at the level of starters. That’s a little ridiculous. Oh and didn’t Snyder run an offense that was big on the run? I thought they did pretty well in the Big 12 this year. Their losses came to much more highly talented, just as well coached teams.
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I've thought about that
before, the fact that the last half a decade has been dominated by SEC power running teams. Part of it I think is due to great talent but I also think part of it is a power running scheme is fairly easy to stay in rhythm after a long layoff. Teams that run spreads seem to struggle after laying off for multiple weeks and tend to come out cold and flat. Just a theory though.
by ttuvault615 on Jan 18, 2012 8:34 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
I don't really buy the layoff thing.
I think SEC defense is just too good. I haven’t seen passing oriented offenses stutter much against other conference opponents.
Shawn Johnson... she's a nice lady
I don't have a problem with a passing team that can run effectively.
We were pretty close with that last season until we started losing skill players.
I am still on my heels with the rb depth turn around….
Living large in Texas...Texas forever.
Technically, Auburn
Was a spread running team
College Football: "Our Traditions are now for Sale"
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"Well the ball just didnt bounce our way today" Tommy Tubervile, after decades of coaching experience, the best he can do ....................................................................................................................................
Blaze a trail, spend some time in West Texas, feel the sand sting your skin and burn your eyes, let the winter dry your hands, learn that its there only because our ancestors didn’t want to be around other people … that’s West Texas
That's the thing
You assume we are ‘expecting’ him to be something great. I personally have very low expectations and any success will be a pleasant surprise. His best 2 seasons at Ole Miss were equal to our average seasons throughout the last 10 years. He had a couple of solid years at Auburn, but he was running a completely different system with MUCH more talent than we will have in the forseeable future. We don’t need a coach that has to have top 10 talent to win. We need a coach that can use what he has very effectively. So no, I think Tubs has already been the guy that I expect to see of him
Hm
It’s completely udnerstandable to not expect anything from him. That’s totally fair and your opinion.
Now you attribute his winningness at Auburn due to talent… well, last I checked the last 2 recruiting classes, they’ve been both (about to be) top 20 groups. Better classes than Leach ever got, so it kind of makes you wonder how appealing he made Tech when he was here. Just sayin’.
Shawn Johnson... she's a nice lady
True
But Tommy has also shown that he struggles to be successful unless he has a Jason Campbell, Ronnie Daniels, Cadillac Williams, Ben Obamanu, Jay Ratliff on a single roster. Top 20 classes are great and all but we’re not getting that kind of talent. In his career he has yet to prove he can be successful without a team full of first rounders.
That those teams did not do well w/o their good rb' is kind of like a passing team not doing well without the good qb.
I like that we are currently trying to get both aspects of the offense working well.
Living large in Texas...Texas forever.
I agree
as long as we are scoring just as efficiently and our offense retains it’s former potency, run the ball as much he wants. My point is I’m not convinced it really matters what system he installs. He’s not historically a good coach without a team full of superstars. If he starts winning at Tech, he will have done something he’s never done…coach lower rated recruits up to be effective players.
Kind of sounds like
Mack Brown. Are you saying that if Mack Brown was our coach and he got us the same caliber recruits he gets for Texas, you wouldn’t take him? The last two years for him were disappointing, but before that it was like 10 straight 10 win seasons.
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Man you are
basing your arguments on HUGE ifs. Of course I would take him. But Mack Brown gets top 5 recruiting every year. We got one top 20 class and you seem to be convinced Tubs is the greatest recruiter in the world. Tubs WILL NOT bring consistent top 5 recruiting classes to LBK and Mack Brown wouldn’t either. Atleast not within the next decade anyway. The reality is Texas and OU will most likely continue to outrecruit us regardless of our coach.
by ttuvault615 on Jan 18, 2012 11:19 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Basically
I guess what I’m saying is atleast for the forseeable future we will be facing off against UT and OU with less talent. Tubs is gonna have to coach his players up and come up with a scheme that can win against superior talent. Do you really believe he can do that with his track record? Without fielding the more talented team, I don’t think he’s got a prayer of outcoaching anyone
by ttuvault615 on Jan 18, 2012 11:30 PM CST up reply actions
Behind UT and OU
Dont forget Okie lite, its time to admit it.
We are not 3rd anymore, were are fighting for 4th priority in the conference with TCU and Baylor
College Football: "Our Traditions are now for Sale"
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"Well the ball just didnt bounce our way today" Tommy Tubervile, after decades of coaching experience, the best he can do ....................................................................................................................................
Blaze a trail, spend some time in West Texas, feel the sand sting your skin and burn your eyes, let the winter dry your hands, learn that its there only because our ancestors didn’t want to be around other people … that’s West Texas
by Gus Mitchem on Jan 19, 2012 11:44 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
On the field, we're behind Baylor and TCU...
We’ll see if or when this translates into anything that affects recruiting…
Personally, I’m more concerned with what happens on the field…
"Transition is hard." - TT
by Houston Raider on Jan 19, 2012 2:31 PM CST up reply actions
yea its sort of my idea the on the fileld, positive momentum trending all rolled into one thought.
In I wouild say 06,07 and 08 we were a very stong third eventough we were sort of home and home with OSU, we could be Texas about every four years and almost halft the time against OU we were solidly third
Now were trending negativly, recruiting is better than ever not really sure that matters
College Football: "Our Traditions are now for Sale"
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"Well the ball just didnt bounce our way today" Tommy Tubervile, after decades of coaching experience, the best he can do ....................................................................................................................................
Blaze a trail, spend some time in West Texas, feel the sand sting your skin and burn your eyes, let the winter dry your hands, learn that its there only because our ancestors didn’t want to be around other people … that’s West Texas
I have to agree with you on this.
Plus who in the world also has 15 surgeries. Surgeries! That’s a lot of people who were not on the football field.
Wimps!
Graham Harrell played the Baylor game with numerous broken bones in his non-throwing hand. Now that is a player!!
*Just kidding about the wimps part!!
I have been complimented many times and they always embarrass me; I always feel that they have not said enough. -Mark Twain
Everyone is not made of the same stock as Graham.
Plus a lot of these guys has blown out knee’s so that is a little different situation.
Do you think he would play,
much less could play if those broken bones were in a hand that was actually useful, like his throwing hand? ;)
Shawn Johnson... she's a nice lady
Absolutely
Then, when he led the drive to get us into field goal range I would expect them to bring in our one-legged kicker for the field goal and the win!
BTW, I blame you for the dream I had last night about Charlie Sheen. Cannot stand Charlie Sheen & my only exposure to him has been your picture!! He wanted me to put away the Christmas & decorations on his two trees for him & would pay me however much I wanted. He was totally high. I agreed.
I have been complimented many times and they always embarrass me; I always feel that they have not said enough. -Mark Twain
Well there go my points for originality
I didn’t know about Brian Hall so I looked him up – wow – how cool!!
I have been complimented many times and they always embarrass me; I always feel that they have not said enough. -Mark Twain
Are you saying you Noah Lot about Tech football?
"...Fight for the school we love so dearly"
by mbrown603 on Jan 18, 2012 6:26 PM CST up reply actions 2 recs
Beautiful and rec'd!
I have been complimented many times and they always embarrass me; I always feel that they have not said enough. -Mark Twain
I don't get why people keep making fun of my name.
It’s my real name.
Shawn Johnson... she's a nice lady
I wasn’t actually getting down on our current guys, I was taking the opportunity to recognize an incredible effort from a splendid era of Texas Tech football. And if you think the fact the multiple CRUSHED fingers weren’t on his throwing hand, makes it any less impressive, then you are insane. Are you really so against the Leach era that you would downplay that kind of toughness? “Oh, jeez, Graham is a p***y, those CRUSHED fingers weren’t even on his throwing hand…I bet he never even had to touch the ball the ENTIRE half!” Seriously?!? Gimme a freakin break!
What I was getting at
is that you cannot equate the injuries this year to a broken non throwing hand.
Shawn Johnson... she's a nice lady
If it is not blind, it is not faith...
I bet anyone who watches TTU football can find a reason, one reason, why TTU might do better than last season.
Living large in Texas...Texas forever.
This is true
However, I don’t know about you but I’m not satisfied with ‘better than last year.’ Three years is plenty of time to tell whether or not he is the guy to atleast get us back to 9 wins/season consistently. So far we’re not even close and it doesn’t appear that that will happen next year
Having lost my favorite coach.....
I would expect to “improve” over him. Otherwise, why get rid of him?
We ought to Haboob his ass
You and your common sense & realistic expectations
Seriously, you’ve got to stop it.
I have been complimented many times and they always embarrass me; I always feel that they have not said enough. -Mark Twain
Well,
just try not to let it happen again.
I have been complimented many times and they always embarrass me; I always feel that they have not said enough. -Mark Twain
Im with ya
I just figured it’s kind of irrelevant since he’s gone. Now we gotta find the guy who can get us back to or beyond what we were and Tubs ain’t it
There are but maybe 3 or 4 people in the universe that wanted to get rid of the fav....
I kind of have to work with what we got.
Living large in Texas...Texas forever.
You lost me at: "I care nothing for college basketball".
But re: “came to that blind faith after being presented with evidence”. I’ve heard that faith is the evidence of things NOT seen.
It’s awful to me. Love the NBA but can’t take watching what appears to basketball scrimmages to me. And you’re right about the idea of faith. All I’m asking is a lil something from Tuby…haven’t seen it yet.
by PBK on Jan 16, 2012 2:31 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Half full or Half Empty?
I vacillate almost daily from a half full to half empty to half full again perspective of the football program. A few random thoughts.
1. At the time Tubbs was hired he had to pick coaches from the available talent pool. He is now getting the coaching staff he wants which should build some stability in the program.
2. In my opinion he completely underestimated the strengh of the Big 12. His SEC superiority complex had him believing he could come in here and handle these candy ass offenses. He now knows better.
3. On my more pessimistic side he has not done any of the things we hoped for when he came in. We thought we were getting an established coach that would provide stability to a program during a difficult time. He has not provided clear direction and has not provided stability. This program has no identity.
4. By saying he “knows each loss is just a step closer to being fired”…are we saying that now that his job is on the line he will try harder….or make better decisions….or be a better coach? I don’t know if he is capable.
by Oldgreywolf on Jan 16, 2012 10:00 AM CST up reply actions
Sometimes people need a push.
The situation this past year didn’t lend itself to be taken lightly, but I think Tuberville saw it as something he could remain calm about and go about normal practices and such with the idea we would still manage a couple wins after Oklahoma. I’m fairly certain he saw this even by spring ball time. Unfortunately I think he noticed too late in they year, probably right after Oklahoma St., that Iowa St. wasn’t just a bad day, it was a sign of things to come. I mean, if you saw him right after a lot of our final games this year in post conferences, he looked absolutely miserable. It was like he was caught way off guard and no matter how much he would fight back, it was useless. I think the AD has told him he has one last chance, so Tuberville will probably take this year with a whole mound of salt and make sure he isn’t ambushed by the what happened to us last year.
This kind of thing isn’t unheard of though. A lot of coaches in their first year or two have a year with a team that doesn’t lend itself to have a lot of potential. A good example is Gundy. He’s been there for like 7 years and it wasn’t until his 4th year he had a winning conference record, with a first year 4-7 record and only 7 wins for two seasons after that. So I think Tuberville, given he puts in the work he knows he needs to put in, will get his feet on the ground and find success and use that momentum to turn into someone we hoped he would be.
Shawn Johnson... she's a nice lady
Well, I disagree with you completely, but I respect your opinion, and sincerely hope I’m wrong. I don’t think that a coach’s ability can be measured in looking miserable after shitty losses, personally, and if that’s the extent of his contribution to positivity among the ranks of Red Raider fans, then I’m more worried than before. I’ll leave you with this, you mentioned Gundy. Well, his job was at stake two years ago…he was forced to hire an offensive coordinator with full offensive control, or be fired. He hired Dana Holgerson, who in turn brought his former boss in to consult in installing the offense. Since then, Ok. St has become what it is today. I find it alarming that we did the opposite and that our HC absolutely abhors that same offense. May be poetic…but we’ll see I guess.
by PBK on Jan 16, 2012 9:25 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
/great post
I was in the process of writing the same thing. Dana with the help of Leach and Harrell saved Gundy’s job.
by Leacherhere on Jan 19, 2012 11:02 AM CST up reply actions
Noah
Your optimism seems to be quite strong, and given from a football standpoint tuBS should be able to get it done. But the culture change hasnt worked in his favor so far, in fact things were worse in ’11 than they were in ’10. He lost the team in 2011 and the impact was obvious in a lack of effort on the field and a lack of fight in the team. That falls on the HC and is priority # 1.
A football coach (on every level) teaches young men to fight through adversity, that is his main job and he is getting worse at that aspect and getting better at selling excuses.
At this point the football credentials are irrelevant if he cant unite and motivate
College Football: "Our Traditions are now for Sale"
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"Well the ball just didnt bounce our way today" Tommy Tubervile, after decades of coaching experience, the best he can do ....................................................................................................................................
Blaze a trail, spend some time in West Texas, feel the sand sting your skin and burn your eyes, let the winter dry your hands, learn that its there only because our ancestors didn’t want to be around other people … that’s West Texas
Very true
but I wouldn’t say there wasn’t fight left in this team at the end of the year.
That Missouri game was full of fight and trying to maintain the lead. That defense did everything it could to keep that little Vince Young-type from running into the endzone. In the Baylor game, it was just a 3 point game at half. Even when the game was getting away from them by the 4th, I saw a Tech team do all they could.
Motivation and unity only go so far, but I think that considering the shitstorm that was the football program, with the immense amount of injuries testing the depth chart and lack of chemistry from a coaching standpoint that put the players in an awkward situation I can’t even describe, there was only so much that could happen.
Don’t get me wrong, if Tuberville can’t get it going next year, I don’t buy into a better future, but I think next year is his best opportunity in comparison to his last two to get the job done.
Shawn Johnson... she's a nice lady
No those are just re treadded excuses. There was zero reason other than poor motivaton, heart and coaching that we couldnt beat Baylor. They didnt go in at the half and get better suddenly, in fact their best player watched the second half, they got worse we just didnt have the heart to gut out a win
College Football: "Our Traditions are now for Sale"
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"Well the ball just didnt bounce our way today" Tommy Tubervile, after decades of coaching experience, the best he can do ....................................................................................................................................
Blaze a trail, spend some time in West Texas, feel the sand sting your skin and burn your eyes, let the winter dry your hands, learn that its there only because our ancestors didn’t want to be around other people … that’s West Texas
Aparently
Your only means for gathering knowledge is what your told.
Your eating up everything that tuBS is telling you, despite the eye test, any idea of how team sports operate, or any comparison to other football games, teams or seasons.
College Football: "Our Traditions are now for Sale"
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"Well the ball just didnt bounce our way today" Tommy Tubervile, after decades of coaching experience, the best he can do ....................................................................................................................................
Blaze a trail, spend some time in West Texas, feel the sand sting your skin and burn your eyes, let the winter dry your hands, learn that its there only because our ancestors didn’t want to be around other people … that’s West Texas
by Gus Mitchem on Jan 20, 2012 10:25 AM CST up reply actions
So I guess
coaching chemistry and an immense amount of injuries have nothing to do with how team sports operate, nor does the fact that the Big 12 being deeper than ever has anything to do with comparisons to other teams and seasons.
Shawn Johnson... she's a nice lady
Is the Big 12 really deeper?
Or, does it just seem that way because we are closer to the bottom?
Coaching chemistry that is a problem is a coaching problem…
On that note… Is there a coaching chemistry problem between Tubs and Neal Brown? Between Turner and Brown?
How’s that whole situation going to work out?
"Transition is hard." - TT
by Houston Raider on Jan 21, 2012 6:47 PM CST up reply actions
Yea the pool always looks deeper when your drowning near the bottom
College Football: "Our Traditions are now for Sale"
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"Well the ball just didnt bounce our way today" Tommy Tubervile, after decades of coaching experience, the best he can do ....................................................................................................................................
Blaze a trail, spend some time in West Texas, feel the sand sting your skin and burn your eyes, let the winter dry your hands, learn that its there only because our ancestors didn’t want to be around other people … that’s West Texas
Well PBK
as a woman…I’m really not impressed by the rack…maybe I’ll change my picture to a risque picture with man parts…fair is fair…
Die-hard Texas Tech girl & new Cougar (fan)! Bring it!
Well, u missed the important inference in that post. I should have pointed out that I could care less about what you do. Thanks though.
by PBK on Jan 16, 2012 11:20 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
I did not miss the important inference in your post.
I responded to your initial post by listing all my reasons for trying to have optimism this year, one of which you agreed with. You call this “blind faith”. I don’t know anything tangible anyone can point to.
I listed my intangibles, and would add that when anyone is scrambling to keep their job, their effort level goes up.
Blind faith or not, I truly do not believe this year can be worse than last year. If you look at the records (bad) we set last year combined with the turmoil we now know existed within the coaching staff, it’s hard to believe there won’t be improvement.
I’m guessing you mean you “couldn’t” care less about what I do. No harm, no foul. Sometimes I’m surprised/forget how quickly things can escalate on this board which is going to happen when you throw a bunch of anonymous strangers together.
Instead of reverting to my normal smart aleck self, in honor of Martin Luther King, Jr. day, peace!
Die-hard Texas Tech girl & new Cougar (fan)! Bring it!
Well, I would like to say first off, that I did agree with one point. However, I did not realize your “nice rack” comment was condescending. When u responded the next time I genuinely assumed it was someone else responding to a post that had nothing to do with them. The remainder of our communication had nothing to do with your previous post. Either way, I did not really mean that I “couldn’t” care less about your opinion of my pic. The fact is, your opinion of me or my avatar is so inconsequential to me that it does not even register annoyance…I’ve never been greatly impressed with women who scream sexual harassment at the sight of a bikini model. You have opinions, I have mine. You wanna put a naked dude in your profile, go nuts. I don’t care. That’s what meant. My initial post was in the hope that someone had a degree of reasoning why things would improve in our program, with actual validity of course. I’m in disagreement that Tuby’s resume is a source of optimism…after all, he had that resume when he got here. The truth is there is no reason for the sudden optimism here but that it’s a new year…and that’s fine. I’m just tired of the not-so-recent trend of those Tuby supporters jumping on those of us who choose not to ignore the last two years, nor the ten before. That’s the point of my post, certainly not to argue the semantics of appropriate avatars.
by PBK on Jan 16, 2012 2:01 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
I understood every aspect of your post perfectly well
1. We agree on Tuberville, I’m just looking for reasons to be optimistic because the last two years have been so bad and I’m tired of being mad. Trying to approach this season with the “glass is half full” philosophy.
2. The “couldn’t” was to clarify what I thought you meant – was that you didn’t care at all. When you say, “I could care less” it means that you could care less than you do. When you say “couldn’t care less” it means you don’t care at all. So I got that.
3. You are correct, I’m not a fan of men who treat women like sexual objects by posting pictures featuring physical assets. You can call that “screaming sexual harassment” , I call it respect and maturity.
4. “You wanna put a naked dude in your profile, go nuts”. Go nuts? Hilarious word choice – seriously – that made me laugh out loud – not being a smart aleck!
5. We also agree with the “if you don’t support Tuberville you’re not a real fan” people jumping on those who believe he needs to earn respect is getting old. It’s right up there with the same people saying, “get a life, move on” over all the Leach/administration stuff. Like I said, I’m just looking for something to be positive about.
Die-hard Texas Tech girl & new Cougar (fan)! Bring it!
Lol. That was totally unintentional but it was funny! And I can’t fault you for wanting something to be happy with regarding this program…the past two years have been horrible. It’s even more aggravating that it’s so totally unfounded. With the evidence about Leach’s dismissal coming out, and the decision to eradicate everything he’d built by not hiring Ruffin in his place. It’s maddening. Cool.
by PBK on Jan 16, 2012 2:28 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
My new pic is for you PBK...enjoy!!
I have been complimented many times and they always embarrass me; I always feel that they have not said enough. -Mark Twain
What?
I thought you would like his cleavage. Sure it’s in unusual places, but still… ;-)
I have been complimented many times and they always embarrass me; I always feel that they have not said enough. -Mark Twain
Lol. The avatar police are gonna get you.
by PBK on Jan 16, 2012 6:31 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Don't you be dissin' my man!!!
I have been complimented many times and they always embarrass me; I always feel that they have not said enough. -Mark Twain
I am hoping the staff get together soon and go on a team building retreat...
I am thinking somewhere near San Antone, maybe to study wolves….
Living large in Texas...Texas forever.
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