Grading new coaching hires. Mike Leach, Washington State-A+
I'm so envious of WASU right now. I can't wait for Tuberville to get this thing on the move. Good Luck Coach!
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Not to be rude but shouldn't this be on another website
WSU isn’t TTU. This is Double T Nation right?
"Let another praise you, and not your own mouth; A stranger, and not your own lips."
by westtxscrub on Jan 18, 2012 12:36 PM CST via mobile reply actions 2 recs
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What this post should have been about was the fact that Defensive and offensive co-ordinators on that list: Vic Koening, Mark Snyder, and Jeff Casteel are not better hires than Art Kaufman. Stu Mandell might be right about Leach but his ranking of the OC’s and DCs give me zero credibility for his research. And there is no way Mike Leach is a better hire than Urban Meyer.
I have seen less relevant things posted. This is at least in part about a coach that recently helped make Texas Tech football relevant. Should we not have posts about Wes Welker, Graham Harrell, Danny Amendola, etc.. because they are no longer at Tech?
Simple rule of thumb: Everything before the but is BS.
by FriscoRaider on Jan 18, 2012 1:41 PM CST up reply actions
I disagree
I think you are confusing coaches and players. Players are people who have a degree from the University, in most cases. A coach does not. They come and go.
"Let another praise you, and not your own mouth; A stranger, and not your own lips."
I suspect that when Tuberville is fired or we pay him to resign and if he were to ever find another coaching job that there would be posts on DTN. If SI reported an opinion of his hire then likely we would hear about it here. Isn’t your comment really about not wanting to be reminded that Tech made a huge mistake in firing the last coach.
Simple rule of thumb: Everything before the but is BS.
by FriscoRaider on Jan 18, 2012 2:24 PM CST up reply actions
"Isn’t your comment really about not wanting to be reminded that Tech made a huge mistake in firing the last coach."
No. I honestly did not like the man. I think that character counts and ML was a good offensive coordinator and did a lot of Texas Tech football, but I wouldn’t want him coaching my children. Specially with his ties to the porn industry. But, that is off topic and just something personal for me and my family. No, my comment was about wanting to read about Texas Tech not former coaches. If Tuberville is fired, then so be it, but I won’t be posting links to Double T Nation about it. He would be gone. I would be focused on the new coach. That is all just my personal thoughts on that.
"Let another praise you, and not your own mouth; A stranger, and not your own lips."
Specially with his ties to the porn industry.
I would assume that you can back this slander up with some evidence.
Simple rule of thumb: Everything before the but is BS.
by FriscoRaider on Jan 18, 2012 2:56 PM CST up reply actions
I can.
This is the article.
http://blogs.seattleweekly.com/dailyweekly/2011/12/mike_leach_and_john_gray_the_p.php
I assume you will apologize for saying I slandered someone.
"Let another praise you, and not your own mouth; A stranger, and not your own lips."
That is pretty weak and has absolutely nothing to do with his time here.
Simple rule of thumb: Everything before the but is BS.
by FriscoRaider on Jan 18, 2012 3:22 PM CST up reply actions
You asked for my reasons, so I gave them to you.
If you don’t like the answer then don’t ask. But it is clear he was involved in the porn industry, and the article is referencing receiving gifts from his friends in the industry while at tech. So, it does have something to do with his time at tech.
"Let another praise you, and not your own mouth; A stranger, and not your own lips."
You really are talking really loudly for someone who has only been a member for two weeks...
Are you looking for attention? You’re being quite unfriendly. Remember always…make friends, be friends westtxscrub. You’re behind the 8 ball as of now.
by Jean Lafitte on Jan 18, 2012 3:34 PM CST up reply actions
If being honest about how I feel, when asked a question about my personal believes is unfriendly, then so be it. I would gladly be your friend but that is not my purpose for posting on a internet website.
Also when does being a “member for two weeks” mean my posts are less relevant than yours. Next thing you know, I will starting seeing posts that I am representing a PR firm for the James just because I don’t “group think” and kiss the ground ML walks on. I liked and appreciate what he did for tech, but I do not like the man at all. I have read Double T Nation a long time. Just because I want to start posting now doesn’t have anything to do with my validity.
"Let another praise you, and not your own mouth; A stranger, and not your own lips."
westtxscrub
interesting you bring up the James PR thing…I did a quick search on the author of that article and guess what??? He writes articles for the ESPN affiliate in Washington.
And he covers the Washington Huskies…THE rival of WSU.
Hmmm…
http://mynorthwest.com/category/college_hoops/
I have been complimented many times and they always embarrass me; I always feel that they have not said enough. -Mark Twain
and Basnight is a porn name if I ever heard one.
“Author Jim Basnight is the man behind Husky Digest”
Can you say “gay porn”?
"Nothing can bring you peace but the triumph of principles." ~ RW Emerson
by raider realist on Jan 18, 2012 7:07 PM CST up reply actions
Texted a friend in Seattle
to ask about the Seattle Weekly’s The Daily Weekly (where westtxscrub’s link came from). I didn’t give him any context. Just asked what kind of journalistic paper it was.
I realize this is only one person’s opinion and so take it for what it’s worth, but here is his response:
Liberal, Alternative rag – but gets wide readership among hipsters, gays, etc. Balanced? Uh, no.
I have been complimented many times and they always embarrass me; I always feel that they have not said enough. -Mark Twain
Same thing here. If we are not judging then it shouldn’t matter who reads it.
Go Raiders . . .
Double-T Nation
Disagree
There is a big difference between “judging” and understanding the readership. The majority of writers write to their readership – there is a difference between writing to and audience of microsoft millionaires or the “hipster, gay, etc.” audience. The style and content will likely be vastly different in this example.
No slurs or judgment was made by anyone about the members of the readership, at least not by me.
I have been complimented many times and they always embarrass me; I always feel that they have not said enough. -Mark Twain
Sure, not by you, but you posted your friend’s comment which obviously made a judgment.
Go Raiders . . .
Double-T Nation
No, he didn't
He gave a description of the readership. I didn’t see any slurs.
I have been complimented many times and they always embarrass me; I always feel that they have not said enough. -Mark Twain
I never used the word slur, I said that your friend made a judgment on the readership that may, or may not, be accurate. The point being is this FanShot has devolved into the thought that a judgment is being made about Leach based on this article. Your friend made a judgment based on what he believes to be relevant information about who reads that periodical. Both judgments are unfair.
Go Raiders . . .
Double-T Nation
Seth I think you're reaching here
If someone asked you about the readership for the Dallas Observer or any other papers/weekly’s/publications in the metroplex would you decline to respond on the basis that the information is not relevant and would be judgmental?
I didn’t mention Leach to my friend or give him any context. I sent a text saying, “Seattle Weekly’s The Daily Weekly – trash journalism or okay? Need to know, thanks!”
I have been complimented many times and they always embarrass me; I always feel that they have not said enough. -Mark Twain
I don’t have an opinion as to who reads the Dallas Observer. I don’t have an opinion about who reads DTN. I don’t like to stereotype people. My point is that it seems unfair to make a judgment about Leach based on the company he keeps (and no one has mentioned that he may have had a contractual agreement to participate in the all-star game and may have ended his relationship with the porn-master) and it’s unfair to make a judgment about a newspaper based on who reads that newspaper.
Go Raiders . . .
Double-T Nation
Yep
Nothing but gay liberals read those observer type publications. We’re all gay liberals now, by association. And we’re all pornographers too.
Good lesson about associative judgement and blanket statements and stereotypes here. I like that we drilled down on this, seriously. At the root of it all is some pretty illogical thinking.
"Nothing can bring you peace but the triumph of principles." ~ RW Emerson
by raider realist on Jan 19, 2012 9:16 AM CST up reply actions
This information is in the author’s byline too. It is a fairly reputable publisher as they also publish the Dallad Observer.
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Double-T Nation
The Observer, that explains a lot. Does the Observer still have all of those bizarre classified ads for man seeking goat and such?
Simple rule of thumb: Everything before the but is BS.
by FriscoRaider on Jan 18, 2012 7:36 PM CST up reply actions
I just read the online version, but there are some talented writers there. If we are not judging people then it shouldn’t matter who are the advertisers.
Go Raiders . . .
Double-T Nation
I have not seen a copy of the paper for quite some time, usually it was a freebee. It may not be the rag that it once was and then again it might still be the same, I don’t know.
Simple rule of thumb: Everything before the but is BS.
by FriscoRaider on Jan 18, 2012 7:57 PM CST up reply actions
If you want to know what is going on with the city of Dallas then the Unfair Park blog is excellent.
Go Raiders . . .
Double-T Nation
Would
It be funny if they had a rule of no talking sports?
This is a 3 ring circus up in here......
by oldschoolraider on Jan 18, 2012 8:30 PM CST up reply actions
Yeah..
I occasion there and front burner….
This is a 3 ring circus up in here......
by oldschoolraider on Jan 18, 2012 8:35 PM CST up reply actions
I think DTN has just been insulated from people that don’t care for Leach, and for the record I don’t care if anyone likes or dislikes anyone. However, if the thought is to be nice and make friends, then there have been some awfully not-nice and un-friendly things said about Tuberville, Hance, Myers, etc. The point being that it’s generally good to be nice and I don’t think he’s being mean, but westtxscrub is voicing his opinion on the fact that he doesn’t like Leach. It’s okay.
I’d also add that I won’t judge people based on who they know or who they might be with in a photo. If that’s true, then I might have a lot explaining to do from a trip to Mexico while I was in law school.
And as westtxscrub has pointed out, it doesn’t matter if he’s been a member for 2 weeks or 2 years or 1 day, he/she is entitled to his opinion.
Go Raiders . . .
Double-T Nation
Really, I think there are quite a few on this board that don’t care for Leach, just none so far that would say Leach is involved in the porn industry.
Simple rule of thumb: Everything before the but is BS.
by FriscoRaider on Jan 18, 2012 4:04 PM CST up reply actions
Like I said, I’m not going to do that, but considering some of the things that have been said about other people (Hance in particular), then whatever. If anyone wants to sue anyone else for slander on the internet, then that will happen.
Go Raiders . . .
Double-T Nation
DTN is now officially "involved" in the porn industry!
"Nothing can bring you peace but the triumph of principles." ~ RW Emerson
by raider realist on Jan 18, 2012 5:49 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Hilarious !
You know a thread has gone south when a photo of Ron “the hedgehog” Jeremy shows up :)
From what I’ve heard, the nickname should be hedge post.
I think saying Leach was "involved in the ....industry" might be a stretch.
and on another note: Personally I enjoy reading about Spike and some of the other former coaches……..just sayin
We ought to Haboob his ass
blackbear, I appreciate/value your input. I have read your post for a while, and you are a straight shooter
In regards to ML being involved. Here is an excuse I heard a lot from kids I use to mentor.
“I am just going to hang out at my pot smoker friends house” They promised they never smoked the stuff. Do you think I would believe that?
"Let another praise you, and not your own mouth; A stranger, and not your own lips."
you sir are entitled to you thoughts
and my name is Blackbeard……………..for the record.
We ought to Haboob his ass
I just saw that! So sorry.
"Let another praise you, and not your own mouth; A stranger, and not your own lips."
no worries..........
by the way………..in the article you linked……..if one were to click enough times, one would also see that Lyle Leong played in that game and racked up 84 yard receiving. One would also see that quite a number of NFL and MLB front office and coaches were in attendance.
We ought to Haboob his ass
All of them are involved in the porn industry then. As a youngster I bought a Playboy magazine, so I guess that I am involved in the porn industry as well.
Simple rule of thumb: Everything before the but is BS.
by FriscoRaider on Jan 18, 2012 4:27 PM CST up reply actions
Now wait just a dog gone minute here, Mike Leach is “involved in the porn industry” and Baron Batch was involved with coach Leach, that means Baron Batch is involved in the porn industry. I am not going to sit here and listen you bad mouth Baron Batch.
Simple rule of thumb: Everything before the but is BS.
by FriscoRaider on Jan 18, 2012 4:45 PM CST up reply actions
Wait another minute...
I bought Leach t-shirts and other Tech gear and paid for tickets to football games while Leach was there. OMG – I AM INVOLVED IN THE PORN INDUSTRY!!!
I have been complimented many times and they always embarrass me; I always feel that they have not said enough. -Mark Twain
I do, from adults, especially in business
sometimes you work with people with whom you don’t agree with – whether it be what they do in their personal life, other business ventures, the language they use and other issues we are not allowed to discuss on DTN.
That doesn’t mean their habits I don’t agree with rub off on me. For instance, I don’t suddenly have a thing for sheep because I work with a lot of aggies.
On a more serious note, I’m not an alcoholic or don’t drink too much because some of the people I work with are/do.
I have been complimented many times and they always embarrass me; I always feel that they have not said enough. -Mark Twain
Aren't you the same guy that got all uppity and in someones face after a joke about peeing on Hances grave?
Ya, that was you. Next time you play the “I’m just a farm boy with ethics and I don’t treat people I don’t like with that kind of disrespect” card, we’ll play our “your a good example of a self righteous hypocrite so shut your mouth” card.
I LOVE DTN poker.
"Nothing can bring you peace but the triumph of principles." ~ RW Emerson
by raider realist on Jan 18, 2012 3:45 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
So, you are saying that someone who is involved in the porn industry isn’t something to get up in arms about if he was to coach my son? Have you seen the damage porn does to women ? Next time you want to do personal attacks you can shut your mouth. Just because you like ML and don’t want to admit he has shady dealings don’t personally attack me. Would I respect him if I meet him on the street? Sure. But, that does not mean I like him.
How am I being self righteous by defending my personal beliefs? I have never treated ML with any disrespect, but I can say I do not value his ethics. So, before you throw out your insults….read a little closer.
"Let another praise you, and not your own mouth; A stranger, and not your own lips."
You said this about peeing on Hances grave...
Maybe it’s just my farm boy up bringing?
Even those people that I don’t like I treat with respect. That is just totally disrespectfully.
And I’m just pointing out that your a hypocrite.
Your play
"Nothing can bring you peace but the triumph of principles." ~ RW Emerson
by raider realist on Jan 18, 2012 4:07 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
How am I being a hypocrite?
A death of a individual is no laughing matter. It was treated as such, so I called it out. I think you just don’t like the fact that I called it out.
"Let another praise you, and not your own mouth; A stranger, and not your own lips."
Leach killed somebody?
"Nothing can bring you peace but the triumph of principles." ~ RW Emerson
by raider realist on Jan 18, 2012 4:14 PM CST up reply actions
Where did you get that idea?
You are just avoiding and chasing rabbit trails now.
I was talking about calling out people who were mocking an individuals death. Then wanting to know where you can get off name calling/calling me a hypocrite.
"Let another praise you, and not your own mouth; A stranger, and not your own lips."
OK, who killed who?
"Nothing can bring you peace but the triumph of principles." ~ RW Emerson
by raider realist on Jan 18, 2012 4:21 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
A whole new cast of characters for Clue in 2012
Craig James, porn stars, hookers, Hance, Mike Leach, Donald Trump, it’s going to be wild at parties,
"Nothing can bring you peace but the triumph of principles." ~ RW Emerson
by raider realist on Jan 18, 2012 4:28 PM CST up reply actions
You were referencing a post about when Hance dies some people who posted on Double T Nation would go pee on his grave. I called it out as disrespectful.
So, I’m not sure where you got your idea of someone being killed came from.
And I am still waiting for you to give me a reason for insulting me and calling me names.
"Let another praise you, and not your own mouth; A stranger, and not your own lips."
so no one is actually dead then?
"Nothing can bring you peace but the triumph of principles." ~ RW Emerson
by raider realist on Jan 18, 2012 4:37 PM CST up reply actions
its not what you say, but how you say it, maybe?
I want to use the word “inflammatory” somewhere, but can’t seem to pull the trigger. lol.
by Jean Lafitte on Jan 18, 2012 4:38 PM CST up reply actions
Apologies if it “seemed” inflammatory, but we are talking about mocking a man’s death.
"Let another praise you, and not your own mouth; A stranger, and not your own lips."
I thought "we" were solving a murder mystery
But now that I think about it, that Clue game is so disrespectful. People sitting around having fun, all while some poor guy is dead in the living room with a revolver.
He was probably watching porn, so I guess he deserved it.
"Nothing can bring you peace but the triumph of principles." ~ RW Emerson
by raider realist on Jan 18, 2012 5:47 PM CST up reply actions
I can see you won't answer why you called me names.
So if you can call me a hypocrite I guess that means I can call you immature? Your posts are proving this to me.
"Let another praise you, and not your own mouth; A stranger, and not your own lips."
by westtxscrub on Jan 18, 2012 6:02 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
I am intrigued by the Proverb in your tagline, do you think what you have said here today is praiseworthy?
Simple rule of thumb: Everything before the but is BS.
by FriscoRaider on Jan 18, 2012 6:05 PM CST up reply actions
That is something I would gladly discuss over email with you
But Double T Nation is not the place for that discussion.
"Let another praise you, and not your own mouth; A stranger, and not your own lips."
by westtxscrub on Jan 18, 2012 6:16 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Then why the hell did you?
It’s chickenshit
This is a 3 ring circus up in here......
by oldschoolraider on Jan 18, 2012 6:17 PM CST up reply actions
Question was not mine. It was asked to me.
He asked about my tag. So, if you want involved in a religious conversation I would gladly add you to the emails. Seth won’t allow religious conversations on Double T Nation. You should know this.
"Let another praise you, and not your own mouth; A stranger, and not your own lips."
by westtxscrub on Jan 18, 2012 6:31 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
I simply asked if what you are saying here is praiseworthy in light of the question of hypocrisy.
Simple rule of thumb: Everything before the but is BS.
by FriscoRaider on Jan 18, 2012 6:42 PM CST up reply actions
This is baiting for a religious discussion. Do not go down that road.
Go Raiders . . .
Double-T Nation
And I can't believe Seth is allowing all this name calling.
All because your beloved ML is questioned.
"Let another praise you, and not your own mouth; A stranger, and not your own lips."
by westtxscrub on Jan 18, 2012 6:32 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
You said mike was involved
In the porn industry…man up or retract it. If Seth wants to ban me for saying that is chickenshit….fine.
Question anyone and everyone, but facts are a good thing.
This is a 3 ring circus up in here......
by oldschoolraider on Jan 18, 2012 6:36 PM CST up reply actions
And you have slandered the Tech admin and Hance
"Let another praise you, and not your own mouth; A stranger, and not your own lips."
by westtxscrub on Jan 18, 2012 6:42 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
And I might add
That I have man’ed up to it. Maybe you didn’t read the above posts on my opinion of ML. Great OC and thankfully for what he accomplished at Tech but I don’t like the man.
"Let another praise you, and not your own mouth; A stranger, and not your own lips."
by westtxscrub on Jan 18, 2012 6:44 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
I have heard many things
One in particular about hance that has legs. I would never post it on the Internet.
Grow up.
This is a 3 ring circus up in here......
by oldschoolraider on Jan 18, 2012 6:47 PM CST up reply actions
Then why don't you take your own advice and man up?
“grow up” is that your official retort?
"Let another praise you, and not your own mouth; A stranger, and not your own lips."
by westtxscrub on Jan 18, 2012 6:55 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
My retort
Is that I will never get the 10 minutes back I have spent in dialogue with you. The porn charge is irresponsible on your part and you are ok with that.
This is a 3 ring circus up in here......
by oldschoolraider on Jan 18, 2012 7:02 PM CST up reply actions
If you say so.
But I completely disagree with you. Can you disprove ML was not associated with Gray? Would you send your 18-22 yr old kid to be under him? Even if ML was not directly involved we both know our kids would see this/find this out about him. And we all know kids are very susceptible to people who they look up to. I wouldn’t want my son anywhere near the porn industry.This was my point. But it has also shown what I have feared has happened to Double T Nation. People just rail on any individual who do not agree that ML was a saint.
If we are ok with that then that is you not me.
"Let another praise you, and not your own mouth; A stranger, and not your own lips."
I, for one...
would not send my kid (not that I have any) to be “under” Gray. How’s that?
I have been complimented many times and they always embarrass me; I always feel that they have not said enough. -Mark Twain
I would send my 18-22 year old son
to college to find himself and make his own judgement calls.
If they wanted to enroll in the military instead, I would support that.
" Answers --Become Resources."
Without Questions, There are limited Resources...
And this goe for the both of you. Sometimes on the Internet people will write some not so nice things about people. Leach may know or may not know that Gray has ties with porn. If a person doesn’t even like the implication of that then there fine. If someone wants to believe something about someone then most likely you will not change that persons opinion. And oldschool
Go Raiders . . .
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Sorry, hit post too soon. Think of all of the absolutely shitty things said about Hance, Myers and the admin in general. All of those things get said and no one bats an eye.
Go Raiders . . .
Double-T Nation
First week of December
My company had a meeting in key west. A friend of a friend made an intro, and wedged between his family event upstate and being announce at wsu the next day….mike made the time to speak to myself and two other partners. He was very genuine and it was as if we were friends for 10 years.
Disliking him is fine….so is defending him.
This is a 3 ring circus up in here......
by oldschoolraider on Jan 18, 2012 8:04 PM CST up reply actions
That is fine but I am asking that we can see both sides of the disliking of any person on DTN.
Go Raiders . . .
Double-T Nation
I can see it
But obviously advocate for my opinion more like most people.
This is a 3 ring circus up in here......
by oldschoolraider on Jan 18, 2012 8:11 PM CST up reply actions
As far as
Hance and Meyers…
I have made shitty comments about Gerald based on my exposure to him at tech. I wouldn’t defend him…someone else can. As far as hance, I’m guilty without knowing the man personally. I have back and forths with a good friend about him. I have moved on from dissing him, but didn’t like the grave posting either.
This is a 3 ring circus up in here......
by oldschoolraider on Jan 18, 2012 8:08 PM CST up reply actions
I respect that.
"Let another praise you, and not your own mouth; A stranger, and not your own lips."
Need to be clear here. It left work early to pick up my kid, fixed dinner, fed him, gave him a bath and read to him. I don’t need anyone calling me out for allowing or not allowing comments. You worry about you and I will worry about me.
Go Raiders . . .
Double-T Nation
That is fair. And I was not trying to call you out.
I apologize if it came across that way. I have a child also and know the duties of that. I just want this to be brought to the light as well. I appreciate what you do at Double T Nation.
"Let another praise you, and not your own mouth; A stranger, and not your own lips."
I would post a "hypocrite" link to Wiki for you
but something weird is happening to the internet. It’s like, it went dark or something.
Regardless, I see your “immature”, and raise you one “condescending”.
"Nothing can bring you peace but the triumph of principles." ~ RW Emerson
by raider realist on Jan 18, 2012 6:09 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Nice try
But I’m use to working with kids that are very immature and all they do is try to push your buttons. Good try but you are still immature.
"Let another praise you, and not your own mouth; A stranger, and not your own lips."
by westtxscrub on Jan 18, 2012 6:14 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
YOUR HAIR LOOKS STUPID
"Nothing can bring you peace but the triumph of principles." ~ RW Emerson
by raider realist on Jan 18, 2012 6:21 PM CST up reply actions
I actually agree
that making a joke about peeing on someone’s grave is disrespectful. Even if it is Hance…
I have been complimented many times and they always embarrass me; I always feel that they have not said enough. -Mark Twain
Thank you.
That is all I tried to point out.
"Let another praise you, and not your own mouth; A stranger, and not your own lips."
Urinating on a grave is clearly disrespectful.....
precisely the point.
This may be the most inane thread I’ve ever read.
by ForestFlyer on Jan 18, 2012 11:12 PM CST up reply actions
agree, most insane thread ever.
I’m not sure if I can claim to be a highly successful football coach or a porn star after this association.
It's gonna depend on
are you trying to get a new gig at a D! school or get into a highly rated party.
We ought to Haboob his ass
Why not both
New TV drama, “Saturday Night Maximus”. An old cruise ship director of the Costa Concordia named Catfish Maximus seeks a new start in life as coach of the Red River Gators.
by Raider2010 on Jan 19, 2012 9:13 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
As a woman westtxscrub
I agree with you that porn is demeaning & degrading to women. I don’t mind saying I’ve seen it.
But I would like to ask you how you know?? You can’t know that without having watched it.
So here’s the problem: how can you so harshly and sanctimoniously (not disagreeing porn is a bad idea) condemn porn without having seen it?
Your credibility is questionable for one of two reasons:
1. Either you haven’t ever seen porn which means you can’t comment with credibility.
2. If you have seen it, then you are associated with it as well, aren’t you?
Because Leach may be in business with someone who is in a shady (not illegal) business, does not mean he partakes.
So you may actually have more experience with porn than he does. Or you are speaking loudly and harshly about an issue you do not know about first hand. Either way you lose credibility with me.
I have been complimented many times and they always embarrass me; I always feel that they have not said enough. -Mark Twain
That's fine with me. I never asked for you to give me credibility.
So, what you confirmed to me if that if I call out bad behavior I have no credibility.
"Let another praise you, and not your own mouth; A stranger, and not your own lips."
You didn't answer the question
Which is it:
Have you watched porn so you know what you speak of?
OR
Are you speaking about something you have no firsthand knowledge of?
I have been complimented many times and they always embarrass me; I always feel that they have not said enough. -Mark Twain
Leach is friends with Donald Trump too
I guess that makes Leach a real estate mogul, er, someone who is “involved” with the real estate business.
"This time it's different."
by LondonRaider on Jan 18, 2012 3:49 PM CST up reply actions
LR, I would also point out that he was "involved" with the likes of
craig james……….but doubt ML ever killed any hookers, and kent hance……but doubt he ever profited from a nuclear waste dump.
We ought to Haboob his ass
I could really get into this, but I don't think Double T Nation would be the place for this.
Sexual impulses/ knowing someone in the sexual business is totally different than knowing a person in the real estate business. So, I apologize that I can’t dig further into this with you.
"Let another praise you, and not your own mouth; A stranger, and not your own lips."
all I am saying, is that
knowing and being involved are wayyyyyy far apart.
We ought to Haboob his ass
I here what you are saying westtxscrub ...
sexual impulses/addiction and knowing/hanging out with people in that industry is a slippery slope and does raise questions. There are times that there is a correlation … but not always. Do we know for a fact that Mike is attracted to porn? If so, then a lot of questions should be raised. But if he isn’t, it’s a non-issue.
We might question Mike’s discernment from accepting gifts from Gray if he knew that Gray was in the porn business, but for all we know, Mike has no knowledge of Gray’s involvement in it. The guys who make money in that industry, as well as drug dealers are smooth operators and master manipulators. They will only share with you only what they want you to know while they work you for what they want from you. They also have a sixth sense of who is interested in what they are offering and who isn’t. If your not interested, they will never talk to you about their “business”.
I have hung out with drug dealers, fencers, and probably a prostitute or two in my day, but never have done drugs or sold them, bought or sold stolen merchandise, nor hired or pimped out a prostitute.
Yet, if someone saw me with one of those people, they might think I am a part of the same game which couldn’t be further than the truth.
by Arizona Raider on Jan 18, 2012 5:25 PM CST up reply actions
westtxscrub, I am VERY intrigued by your knowledge
of sexual impulses/knowing someone in the sexual business… How did you acquire all of this knowledge if I may ask?
I have been complimented many times and they always embarrass me; I always feel that they have not said enough. -Mark Twain
Again, something to be discussed outside of Double T Nation.
I love how everyone tries to assassinate individuals at Double T Nation if they don’t group think. Shouldn’t these questions be direct about the article and not me?
"Let another praise you, and not your own mouth; A stranger, and not your own lips."
It is not about group think
The accusations you are making are very serious. You need to back up what you say. A link to a questionable weekly doesn’t do it.
What if someone said the same thing about you? You should let us know your credentials if you are going to make such serious and inflammatory statements.
I have been complimented many times and they always embarrass me; I always feel that they have not said enough. -Mark Twain
Reference the article.
If you can’t get off your own disillusionment over ML I am sorry I can’t help you there. And all you are doing is proving my point about character assassination at Double T Nation. Instead of talking about the article you are trying to focus on me. Let me help you, I use to do this with the kids I worked with all the time: Talk about the article!
And I don’t play" what if" games.
"Let another praise you, and not your own mouth; A stranger, and not your own lips."
People disagree all of the time on DTN. Sometimes people throw out baseless accusations and when they do they get called out.
Simple rule of thumb: Everything before the but is BS.
by FriscoRaider on Jan 18, 2012 7:23 PM CST up reply actions
Well....
that’s horseshit and you know it….
#IMADEAFUNNY
" Answers --Become Resources."
Without Questions, There are limited Resources...
I say we hook up with Arizona Raider...
grab some beer and prostitutes, and cruise around for graveyards.
by ForestFlyer on Jan 18, 2012 11:22 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Your response is a non-sequiter
You make as accusations about Leach’s character based on one article. The majority of the article is dedicated to describing the business affairs of one John Gray. The article also mentions Gray as having marketed for sports teams such as the Dallas Mavericks, Dallas Blackhawks and the Mississippi Gamblers. The article mainly focuses on Gray’s marketing ventures in the pornography business – a legal enterprise in all 50 states. The article states that Leach and Gray have been friends for at least two years.
The premise for the article is captured in it’s first paragraph:
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Washington State’s new head coach Mike Leach is well known for his unconventional approach on the football field. But what’s less well known is the way that delightful disdain for the status quo seems to extend off the field as well, where Leach has partnered with the publisher of a series of Houston-area strip-club guides to put on a college all-star game.
The only other mention of the relationship is referenced here:
While it’s unclear when Leach and Gray first met, they’ve known each for at least two years. On December 3, 2009, Gray and a number of Leach’s friends, including his personal attorney, surprised him with gifts in the Texas Tech locker room a few weeks after the coach had broken the record for most wins in school history.
Your logic appears to be if X is friends with Y, and if Y does Z then X must also do Z. This is flawed logic at it’s finest.
I am questioning the logic of your post. You made the accusation, so I am asking you to defend your comments.
You assume that because Leach is lending his name to a college all-star event that he is in some fashion involved in the porn industry. Let’s pursue this logic further.
Here is a link to the Casino del Sol All Star Game.
Who are the organisers?
Joe Dan Rogers – Rogers has spent the last several seasons with St Vincent Sports Performance in Indianapolis handling elite performance and the NFL Pre-combine Program.
The former Executive Director for the Hula Bowl has had a diverse career in football. Prior to joining the Hula Bowl, Rogers was a scout for the Atlanta Falcons which featured 2002 NFC Championship game where the Falcons were beaten by the Philadelphia Eagles.
As an assistant coach Rogers spent time with Alabama, TCU, Brown and Middle Tennessee State. Rogers earned 2 letters as a defensive back for the Oklahoma Sooners and was Academic All Big 12 in 1997. Rogers and his wife Courtney reside in Atlanta with their 2 young daughters.
Did Joe Dan Rogers mention young daughters? Gasp.
Mike Feder, VP & General Manager of the Tucson Padres, brings nearly three decades of baseball executive management experience. He is currently the Managing Partner of Tucson Triple-A Baseball, LLC (Tucson Padres). Feder was the VP/GM of the Tucson Sidewinders and Tucson Toros from 1989 – 2000. In 2001 he went to the NFL with the New Orleans Saints for five years as Director of Regional Sales & Marketing.
Mike’s more recent Tucson positions included the Executive Director of the Pima County Sports & Tourism Authority (PCSTA), and Executive Director of the Tucson Police Foundation. He has made a tremendous commitment to the Tucson community in his 16 years in town. He currently serves on the board of directors of the Tucson Police Foundation, Metropolitan Tucson Convention & Visitors Bureau (MTCVB), Father’s Day Council, and Handmaker Foundation. He is also a member of the Caballeros Del Sol. The bottom line is that he believes in Tucson and will do anything need to give back to his community!
Feder also received some local recognition: in 1998 he was inducted into Pima County Sports Hall of Fame, and in 1997 received the Conquistadors Award for long and meritorious service to the Tucson sports community.
Hand-what Foundation?!? Do “anything” to help the Tuscon community!?!
Pornographers! All of them!
What kind of miscreants are coaching this Festival of Filth?
Houston Nutt
The Stars squad will be coached by former Ole Miss head coach Houston Nutt. Nutt is three time SEC Coach of the Year at Arkansas and University of Mississippi and sports a 135-95 lifetime headcoaching record to go along with two Cottonbowl Crowns.
Pat Hill
The Stripes squad will be led by former Frenso State head coach Pat Hill, who brings both NFL and college experience to the sidelines. He coached the Baltimore Ravens and Cleveland Browns prior to coaching 15 years at Fresno state, where he guided the Bulldogs to an 112-80 record and eleven bowl games in 15 seasons.
And just who is sponsoring this Debacle of Debauchery?
The leading sponsors include: Nike, Hertz, Pizza Hut, Miller Lite, Arizona Daily Star, Fox Sports Arizona, Tuscon Hispanic among others.
Surely no player would participate in this Celebration of Sin?
Players represent most of the top Division I schools in the country.
What is the Casino del Sol?
A hotel in Tuscon where patrons can also gamble to their heart’s content.
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Let’s add gambler to the list of accusations. (PS: Apparently, weddings are also held at this venue. Good God!)
Let us, based on your logic, accuse any and all participants in this college football All-Star Game as pornographers who suffer from “sexual impulses.”
Please defend your logic of equating Leach’s participation in a college football All Star game, friendship with someone whose morals you question, equate to him suffering from “sexual impulses” – a phrase with which I am unfamiliar. Can you also please define this phrase in the context of your argument? It is not clear to me.
"This time it's different."
by LondonRaider on Jan 18, 2012 11:27 PM CST up reply actions
You probably didn't read the below article also that lists them as business partners?
"Let another praise you, and not your own mouth; A stranger, and not your own lips."
by westtxscrub on Jan 19, 2012 6:16 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
I acknowledged the partnership in the first quotation.
Now that I’ve clarified that for you, could you kind enough to a) defend your “guilt by association” argument, and b) answer the questions I posed in the final paragraph.
Thank you.
"This time it's different."
by LondonRaider on Jan 19, 2012 8:18 AM CST up reply actions
I will refer you to my example to blackbeard. It is posted above.
"Let another praise you, and not your own mouth; A stranger, and not your own lips."
Yet another dodge?
You have not answered the question. I’ll simplify.
1. Your logic appears to be if X is friends with Y, and if Y does Z then X must also do Z. This is flawed logic at it’s finest.
I am questioning the logic of your post. You made the accusation, so I am asking you to defend your comments.
Please defend your logic of equating Leach’s participation in a college football All Star game and friendship with someone whose morals you question with someone who suffers from "sexual impulses" – a phrase with which I am unfamiliar.
2. Can you also please define this phrase [sexual impulses] in the context of your argument? It is not clear to me.
Your answers are appreciated.
Thank you.
"This time it's different."
by LondonRaider on Jan 19, 2012 9:36 AM CST up reply actions
I answered, I think it is just not the answer you want.
Let me make this simple for you.
"I am just going to hang out at my pot smoker friends house" They promised they never smoked the stuff. Do you think I would believe that?
"Let another praise you, and not your own mouth; A stranger, and not your own lips."
I would hope that you would assume positive intent ...
until you found out more about the situation. In many cases, there are lots of other factors and motivations that are involved when hanging out with the wrong crowd than the obvious.
by Arizona Raider on Jan 19, 2012 10:00 AM CST up reply actions
I'll assume this is a partial response to question number one
If this is the case, your logic only appears to apply to morally ambiguous circumstances.
If X is friends with Y, and Y does Z, then X most also condones /participate/ agrees with Z.
According to your logic, this argument does not, however, apply to relationships in which morality issues are less evident (i.e. Donald Trump, Pete Carroll, John Wooden, Spike Dykes, Urban Meyer and other notable public relationships).
This is quite a high moral standard, albeit logically flawed and applicable in very subjective circumstances.
What, say, are your views on Winston Churchill, Benjamin Franklin, Bill Gates, Steve Jobs, George W. Bush, Bill Clinton, Barack Obama – who, among many other things, share the common experience of admitting to using drugs and alcohol during their youth? [not a political question, I’m just making sure I understand WTS’s logic.]
What are your views on other public figures or leaders who have been extremely successful, but may have exhibited behaviors that you find morally questionable?
Or perhaps does this logic only apply to one Mike Leach, in which case the aim of your initial comments are observable and more than a little transparent?
"This time it's different."
by LondonRaider on Jan 19, 2012 10:41 AM CST up reply actions
I would be more interested in his views on Kent Hance considering his shady past.
Simple rule of thumb: Everything before the but is BS.
by FriscoRaider on Jan 19, 2012 10:46 AM CST up reply actions
I have thoughts on this.
But I think it would be wise for me not to put them on Double T Nation.
"Let another praise you, and not your own mouth; A stranger, and not your own lips."
by westtxscrub on Jan 19, 2012 10:54 AM CST up reply actions
Again don't make this about me. Make it about the article.
We are losing focus here and chasing rabbit trails.
Long story short, I believe all people can be redeemed from their past.
Just like Adam James could. Of course, that is if you apply the same standard to him as you are to ML.
Now can we focus back on the article rather then trying to make this about me?
"Let another praise you, and not your own mouth; A stranger, and not your own lips."
by westtxscrub on Jan 19, 2012 10:50 AM CST up reply actions
You mean the article that this post was about or the nonsense you brought up?
Simple rule of thumb: Everything before the but is BS.
by FriscoRaider on Jan 19, 2012 10:52 AM CST up reply actions
You actually started all this with personal questions.
Like I said before if you ask me a personal question and don’t like the answer then don’t ask.
"Let another praise you, and not your own mouth; A stranger, and not your own lips."
by westtxscrub on Jan 19, 2012 10:55 AM CST up reply actions
The article has been adequately addressed
I cannot say the same about your response.
"This time it's different."
by LondonRaider on Jan 19, 2012 10:53 AM CST up reply actions
I think I has spoken enough about this article and where I stand.
If you can’t see that, then I am sorry but I am going to have to disappoint you.
"Let another praise you, and not your own mouth; A stranger, and not your own lips."
by westtxscrub on Jan 19, 2012 10:57 AM CST up reply actions
I am sorry but I am going to have to disappoint you.
At last, we agree on something.
"This time it's different."
by LondonRaider on Jan 19, 2012 10:59 AM CST up reply actions
Sexual Impulses are common among people not made into Castratos at puberty
So if you aren’t a Renaissance era Italian soprano, this probably includes you.
"...Fight for the school we love so dearly"
That Italian soprano at career day....
was pretty dang convincing, but in retrospect I’m glad I listened to my scrotum.
by ForestFlyer on Jan 19, 2012 12:10 PM CST up reply actions
That took some real balls
"Nothing can bring you peace but the triumph of principles." ~ RW Emerson
by raider realist on Jan 19, 2012 1:56 PM CST up reply actions
Hugh Hefner - Bob Guccione - Larry Flynt - Al Goldstein...... And Mike Leach
And all the time he was at Tech not once did I get invited to the Mansion to party with the playmates.
"...Fight for the school we love so dearly"
How’s things over at Spaeth these days, scrub?
"I’ve established a reputation for integrity. I have maintained those high standards" - Craig James
Think we were "advised" not to go there TechFirst.
I don’t agree with scrubs and I think his logic is flawed – and yes, I think Spaeth would approve – but there is no way to make that association at that level. Based on what we think of Spaeth around here – it’s akin to name calling.
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Harvey "Big Daddy" Pollitt: "What's that smell in this room? Didn't you notice it, Brick? Didn't you notice a powerful and obnoxious odor of mendacity in this room?"
Yes, please refrain from making accusations that someone works for Spaeth.
Go Raiders . . .
Double-T Nation
It just saddens me that Double T Nation has individuals that don’t focus on the issue but would rather assassinate my character.
"Let another praise you, and not your own mouth; A stranger, and not your own lips."
This is a mischaracterization
Most of the posters on here, myself included, are more interested in discerning your argument.
"This time it's different."
by LondonRaider on Jan 19, 2012 9:38 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
I agree that in this case you do, do that.
But after reading Double T Nation for quite some time I have seen a lot of people rail on any individual that does not love ML.
"Let another praise you, and not your own mouth; A stranger, and not your own lips."
I gotta believe this is the root of this discussion, in that
(being polite here) you have a propensity to associate one person with a group, or associate a coach with an acquaintance. As Seth stated somewhere in this post that now looks like it should have been on EDSBS, stereotyping is a very slippery slope.
We ought to Haboob his ass
I have to further LR's point.....
…. I don’t think this is about ML nearly as much as it is about the association you made. Yeah, it’s about ML in as much as he is the central figure topically, but after that – not so much. Obviously you don’t care for the man, so naturally that is where you are coming from – but the vast majority of responses would indicate that people question the logic you use more than anything else.
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Harvey "Big Daddy" Pollitt: "What's that smell in this room? Didn't you notice it, Brick? Didn't you notice a powerful and obnoxious odor of mendacity in this room?"
Logic?
It’s a article that clearly states ML is a business partner in a shady business. How is that not being involved in that industry?
"Let another praise you, and not your own mouth; A stranger, and not your own lips."
by westtxscrub on Jan 19, 2012 10:17 AM CST up reply actions
I think the problem is that there are a lot of assumptions being made about to what extent Leach is a business partner and how much Leach knows of Ford’s business. No where in the article does it say that Leach knows about Ford’s current business, approves of it and condones it. It also doesn’t say whether or not that if Leach found out about Ford’s business that he severed any and all ties with Ford. You are just making a lot of assumptions about a person and you have no idea whether or not Leach has disassociated himself with Ford once he knew.
Go Raiders . . .
Double-T Nation
I think ML is a very smart man.
I find it very hard to believe ML wouldn’t know about Gray’s business. Maybe I am giving ML to much credit but I find that hard to believe.
"Let another praise you, and not your own mouth; A stranger, and not your own lips."
by westtxscrub on Jan 19, 2012 10:28 AM CST up reply actions
Ok let me walk through my logical process step by step.
Deductive reasoning:
1.)ML is very intelligent. In 1986, Leach earned a Juris Doctor (J.D.) from Pepperdine University School of Law. (So, I can assume ML is very intelligent.. Not only is he intelligent but he is also a lawyer.)
So, can I assume ML is a very smart man? I think it would be safe to say so. I mean he did create the air raid offense as well.
2.) It has been established ML is very intelligent and is also a lawyer. Do I think I could assume based on this information that he would be very wise about his business dealings, who they represent, and what they do for a living?
I think that it would be save to say that. But then again that is just my opinion and my deductive reasoning.
So, yes I do assume ML knows of their business dealings. If he didn’t he would be very naive.
"Let another praise you, and not your own mouth; A stranger, and not your own lips."
by westtxscrub on Jan 19, 2012 10:46 AM CST up reply actions
Your deductive reasoning is still assumptions and assumptions about a person’s character are usually bad. You also don’t know if he has ceased business dealings with him. I checked the Arizona corporate search and the LLC, “Arizona Sports Group, LLC” doesn’t come up in a search, so maybe we could assume that once Leach found out about Ford, he had the company dissolved.
You can do your own search here: http://starpas.azcc.gov/scripts/cgiip.exe/WService=wsbroker1/connect.p?app=names-report.p
Go Raiders . . .
Double-T Nation
I would be happy to hear that ML did that if that is true.
"Let another praise you, and not your own mouth; A stranger, and not your own lips."
by westtxscrub on Jan 19, 2012 10:59 AM CST up reply actions
I think this is what people are getting at, which is that you are assuming the worst about Leach (your prerogative), but we 1) don’t know all of the facts about what happened; and 2) don’t know if Leach disassociated with Ford if he found out.
Go Raiders . . .
Double-T Nation
My retort
Isn’t this what everyone is doing with Tech and their admin?
"Let another praise you, and not your own mouth; A stranger, and not your own lips."
by westtxscrub on Jan 19, 2012 11:06 AM CST up reply actions
I said this above, people make a ton of slanderous comments on DTN, but no one gives a rat’s ass. I’ve already conceded that, but that doesn’t make it right. You can ask anyone here, I’ve been fairly contentious when it comes to people making assumptions about others and have done it to both sides.
Go Raiders . . .
Double-T Nation
Ahhh now I see the double standard.
It’s ok if it is Tech and their admin but not if it is ML. Sorry, Seth I do love what you do here. Just sorry you have to deal with all this.
"Let another praise you, and not your own mouth; A stranger, and not your own lips."
by westtxscrub on Jan 19, 2012 11:11 AM CST up reply actions
There is no doubt that DTN is slanted, but you’re going to find that just about everywhere. I’ll let people post and say what they want for the most part rather than moderate what they can or cannot say. As long as they stay within the rules, I’ll let people voice their opinion, even if I disagree with it.
I don’t agree with pissing on someone’s grave and I don’t agree that assumptions about a person’s character should be made. I’m complicated that way.
Go Raiders . . .
Double-T Nation
Ha!
Thank you Seth. I appreciate what you do and value your opinion.
"Let another praise you, and not your own mouth; A stranger, and not your own lips."
by westtxscrub on Jan 19, 2012 11:16 AM CST up reply actions
From Wikipedia.
Deductive reasoning, also called deductive logic, is reasoning which constructs or evaluates deductive arguments. Deductive arguments are attempts to show that a conclusion necessarily follows from a set of premises or hypotheses. A deductive argument is valid if the conclusion does follow necessarily from the premises
So, deductive reasoning is valid. From the information I had on hand about ML it was fair to come to my opinion.
"Let another praise you, and not your own mouth; A stranger, and not your own lips."
by westtxscrub on Jan 19, 2012 11:05 AM CST up reply actions
Okay, but it still requires an assumption, from Wikipedia, emphasis mine:
Hypothesis: In a related but distinguishable usage, the term hypothesis is used in formal logic for the antecedent of a proposition; thus in the proposition “If P, then Q”, P denotes the hypothesis (or antecedent); Q can be called a consequent. P is the assumption in a (possibly counterfactual) What If question.
Go Raiders . . .
Double-T Nation
Thank God wiki is back on line!
"Nothing can bring you peace but the triumph of principles." ~ RW Emerson
by raider realist on Jan 19, 2012 11:10 AM CST up reply actions
I would also question your logic
that if one holds a JD from Pepperdine that one is automatically considered “very intelligent”.
No offense to any Pepperdine lawyers. In my day I have know a number of lawyers that were not necessarily what I would consider intelligent. Perhaps Pepperdine is the difference.
We ought to Haboob his ass
Come on blackbeard,
I know you hold ML in high regard. Don’t play coy.
"Let another praise you, and not your own mouth; A stranger, and not your own lips."
by westtxscrub on Jan 19, 2012 11:42 AM CST up reply actions
Why yes I certainly do.
I also used to own stock in Southland Corp (think 7-11). They used to sell Playboy and I believe even Penthouse at one time. Does this make me involved in porn?
signed Curious.
We ought to Haboob his ass
That's a personal question I can't answer for you.
As you draw your own conclusions about yourself. :) back to question.
Do you think ML was naive about his business dealings?
"Let another praise you, and not your own mouth; A stranger, and not your own lips."
why yes, yes I do
I doubt very seriously that Mike lookes in the dark deep secrets of every person he comes in contact with, does a deal with, or perhaps even works for.
I would further say that if contacted by a legitimate business or charity wanting Mike to participate, he may give it a once over before deciding to take part, but I doubt he would go to far into the vetting process. I don’t know and I really don’t know how Mike thinks. I doubt you do either.
We ought to Haboob his ass
Wait a second, I thought assumptions where not allowed here? (Sarcastic) I like discussing things with you blackbeard. Thank you for your opinion.
"Let another praise you, and not your own mouth; A stranger, and not your own lips."
You like to argue - fine.
There is a transparency about your approach (IMO) that makes this much less interesting to follow than it appeared to be when it 1st began.
I give you points for at least putting forth real time and effort and for doing at least some research. Still, you seem to enjoy aggravating folks more than anything else at this point.
See you on another thread, I’m out.
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Harvey "Big Daddy" Pollitt: "What's that smell in this room? Didn't you notice it, Brick? Didn't you notice a powerful and obnoxious odor of mendacity in this room?"
Folks are only agravated because,
I pointed something out about ML.
"Let another praise you, and not your own mouth; A stranger, and not your own lips."
by westtxscrub on Jan 19, 2012 11:08 AM CST up reply actions
So let's see if I've got this staight....
You: “Wow! Look at that bear! Oooooo….and here’s a sharp stick! Hey ya’ll…watch this!”
Impressive stuff. Very mature.
by ForestFlyer on Jan 19, 2012 12:18 PM CST up reply actions
Personal attacks are pretty low and irresponsible of you
"Let another praise you, and not your own mouth; A stranger, and not your own lips."
by westtxscrub on Jan 19, 2012 12:46 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Huh? Personal attack?
Just where in that comment did I refer to you as a pornographer?
I mean, it’s true that you seem obsessed with the topic, and you do causally employ terms like “sexual impulses” on public formats, where it can be seem by anyone. Including small impressionable children. However, despite all that, I defy you to cite a single example where I referred to you as a professional merchant of adult-themed smut.
That would just be wrong.
and besides
I don’t think anyone actually saw him do it. so, it’s just hearsay.
We ought to Haboob his ass
The ploy is to feign
a personal attack whenever someone challenges the content of his post in a manner that WTS is incapable of addressing.
To wit:
Argument: WTS, can you justify your claim that the earth is flat?
WTS Response: Please stop with the personal attacks. You all suffer from group think.
This pattern should be apparent after 250 responses to a post about a topic that WTS initially found to be inappropriate, and later replaced with another post that he/she believed to be more appropriate.
When WTS is asked to defend the post and its premise, WTS instead claims that he/she is being personally attacked.
"This time it's different."
by LondonRaider on Jan 19, 2012 2:13 PM CST up reply actions
You don't think name calling is a personal attack?
Then your logic is flawed.
"Let another praise you, and not your own mouth; A stranger, and not your own lips."
My logic is not flawed
Please stop the personal attacks.
(Hey, this is kinda fun…)
"This time it's different."
by LondonRaider on Jan 19, 2012 2:19 PM CST up reply actions
Maybe Mike got mixed up in the porn business...
when Tech got invited to the 2003 EV1.net Houston bowl…
Since John Gray was a board member for the bowl…
I guess I’m mixed up in it also since my family and I attended that bowl game…
I should probably go ahead and confess that we all really enjoyed it as well… I know, we must be terrible people…
"Transition is hard." - TT
by Houston Raider on Jan 19, 2012 12:21 PM CST up reply actions
Poor argument westtxscrub
Players spend 5 years or less at Tech. Leach was our coach for 10 years.
Actually it is a good argument
A alumnus is forever connected to the university while coaches are not. Coaches come in go. An alumnus is forever.
"Let another praise you, and not your own mouth; A stranger, and not your own lips."
by westtxscrub on Jan 19, 2012 7:36 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
If you were talking about a coach that only won 5 conference games over the course of his 2 years, then I would agree with you. When talking about a coach that won more bowl games over his 10 year tenure than the rest of the school history, then I would disagree. Usually schools name the stadium after a coach like that.
Simple rule of thumb: Everything before the but is BS.
by FriscoRaider on Jan 19, 2012 7:50 AM CST up reply actions
While your premise is sound regarding alumni, it is not regarding coaches
in every case. My father played in the early 40’s at Tech and is forever talking about Pete Cawthon. Pete did not attend or graduate from Tech, however his forever linked to Texas Tech College for his time spent here. I would say the same goes for Carlin, Dykes, Sloan, Leach and even McWilliams to some degree. Tech is not a big statue builder and certainly would most likely never erect one for a football coach and even more especially one in particular, but look at OU. Barry Switzer is forever linked as is Bud Wilkenson.
We ought to Haboob his ass
Understood.
But I still contend that Alumni have more connection to schools than coaches. We cheer through the good and the bad. We contribute monetarily. We invest in future children, educators, researchers, doctors, lawyers, military men/women, and community leaders.
A football coach is only paid to do one thing. Win football games. But, it is true what you said. We do have some rare gems that contribute to the community/players just as much as coaching, like Spike Dykes.
"Let another praise you, and not your own mouth; A stranger, and not your own lips."
And some rare coaches that recognize the contributions of coaches like Spike Dykes and bring them in and honor them.
Simple rule of thumb: Everything before the but is BS.
by FriscoRaider on Jan 19, 2012 9:46 AM CST up reply actions
I would venture to say that many of Tech employees have contributed
Bob Knight is well known for contributing to the library. Oh wait, he was only paid to do one thing….coach. Mike Leach also contributed to the University…oh wait…he was only supposed to be paid to coach. Kent Hance has let everyone know how much he has contributed…oh wait, he is only supposed to chancell.
We ought to Haboob his ass
Maybe you missed my complement
But, it is true what you said. We do have some rare gems that contribute to the community/players just as much as coaching, like Spike Dykes.
"Let another praise you, and not your own mouth; A stranger, and not your own lips."
saw it
but saw the rest of that post as well. Now you insinuate that all coaches are only good for one thing.
following that logic, teachers that prey on their students sexually means that all teachers are prone to act in the same manner.
that all students from our fine universtiiy contribute (ever heard of John Hinkley?)
Man, you gotta quit lumping everyone into the same pile.
We ought to Haboob his ass
I am not insinuating anything.
You are drawing your on conclusions. Which are flat out wrong.
"Let another praise you, and not your own mouth; A stranger, and not your own lips."
by westtxscrub on Jan 19, 2012 10:05 AM CST up reply actions
Man, you gotta quit lumping everyone into the same pile.
When a person speaks in generalities one must “lump” to a degree. I think you are being some what naive about ML involvement. After all he is well know for his intelligence right?
I know that you are not naive from what I have read in your past posts at Double T Nation so I am not sure what you are playing at?
I stated that alumni contribute more than coaches, so I am not sure how you got on the tangent of teachers and preying on students.
Let’s stick to the article. Do you think ML was involved?
"Let another praise you, and not your own mouth; A stranger, and not your own lips."
by westtxscrub on Jan 19, 2012 10:13 AM CST up reply actions
No I do not.
No I do not.
do I need to go on? What I am asking from you is that you do not need need to assume from reading one article from an obviously biased writer (biased agains Washington State University) the everything in the article is true and also to assume that one person knows another person that they both are “into” the same sort of things. Its the guilt by association logic you use.
We ought to Haboob his ass
And that sir is your entitled opinion.
That is were we differ. As the article states ML is listed as a business partner.
On January 16, dozens of the top college football players in the country will travel to Tucson, Ariz., to play in the Casino Del Sol College All-Star Game, to be broadcast on FOX Sports. On the game’s website, the organizers are listed as Arizona Sports Group, LLC, a business, incorporated in 2010, listing Leach and John Gray as co-managers. The site’s “About Us” section also features bios of both men, but with some notable details missing.
"Let another praise you, and not your own mouth; A stranger, and not your own lips."
by westtxscrub on Jan 19, 2012 10:25 AM CST up reply actions
co-managers vs partners
way big difference. my assumption is that ML managed the getting of players and coaches and JG managed the promotion. I ASS"UME they even rarely spoke.
We ought to Haboob his ass
i'll be here for quite a while and
WILL get in the last word………….for those of you scoring at home.
We ought to Haboob his ass
To clarify, in a LLC (at least in Texas and I assume the laws are similar in Arizona) managers are like the board of directors in a corporation.
Go Raiders . . .
Double-T Nation
Point taken and thanks.
i’m just looking for a replay of that year’s game for the cheerleaders with no clothes. I do so like that sort of thing.
We ought to Haboob his ass
Seriously, then ML and Gray were "partners" in
this all-star game. I still see no reference that ML was partners with JG in anything else. I invest in a number of partnerships and of course in the Big Board companies as well. I have no idea what some of the other “partners” do with the rest of their time and money. AND DONT CARE
We ought to Haboob his ass
Correct, using the term “partners” is not accurate either. Essentially, in a LLC, you have members (shareholders in a corp.), then managers (board of directors) and then officers (like a President or VP). You would have to subpoena the record book to find out who is the owner of a LLC. If Leach was also a member with Gray, then you could say that he owned a membership interest in the LLC and is akin to you owning 50 shares in Starbucks, Inc. or whatever. A manager simply entitles that person to decide who is an officer of the LLC.
Go Raiders . . .
Double-T Nation
so by ordering and drinking a
Super Grande latte with a touch of mocha makes me a porn star? wtf?
We ought to Haboob his ass
I'd point you toward the Texas Tech Athletic Hall of Honor and every other universities particular means of honoring it's most distinguished Staff and Students.......
…. winningest coaches are in every one of them. I would argue that coaches are 10 times more invested in the university they are coaching for at any given moment than any of the players they are coaching at a given moment. When a coach becomes the winningest coach in a programs history, it is safe to assume that no single player ever comes close to have invested the amount of themselves to that school as that coach has.
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Harvey "Big Daddy" Pollitt: "What's that smell in this room? Didn't you notice it, Brick? Didn't you notice a powerful and obnoxious odor of mendacity in this room?"
Agree
We have complaints on this board that Tuberville is referred to as the former Auburn coach instead of the Texas Tech head coach and tuBS is only the forth winningest coach at Auburn.
Simple rule of thumb: Everything before the but is BS.
by FriscoRaider on Jan 19, 2012 8:05 AM CST up reply actions
Actually at this point, Tech's winningest coach is not in the TT Hall of Honor.
We ought to Haboob his ass
Indeed.
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Harvey "Big Daddy" Pollitt: "What's that smell in this room? Didn't you notice it, Brick? Didn't you notice a powerful and obnoxious odor of mendacity in this room?"
Maybe the corollary to
Mike being rated an A+ hire at WSU is that he was an F+ fire at TT by Kent Hance and his cronies.
The fallout of that was this past season, what 2012 might be is anyone’s guess…it could be just as back for Tech next fall as last, or it might be better.
Personally, I am looking forward to the potential Leach documentary on HBO, hopefully that will shine a spotlight on Hance and the results of his plottings with BOR members.
The article mentions Texas Tech, Lubbock, the Red Raider’s team record back in the day, and there’s even a picture of our beloved scarlet and black Double T. Additionally, please use sarcasm font next time you pose a rhetorical question. That will be all.
by Jean Lafitte on Jan 18, 2012 2:47 PM CST up reply actions
Sarcasm font?
I didn’t know there is such a thing?
"Let another praise you, and not your own mouth; A stranger, and not your own lips."
Among other things
This is a 3 ring circus up in here......
by oldschoolraider on Jan 18, 2012 6:13 PM CST up reply actions
Like you refusal to admit ML was shady?
"Let another praise you, and not your own mouth; A stranger, and not your own lips."
That's so disrespectfull
"Nothing can bring you peace but the triumph of principles." ~ RW Emerson
by raider realist on Jan 18, 2012 7:32 PM CST up reply actions
That was.
I apologize oldschoolredaider. Low blow.
"Let another praise you, and not your own mouth; A stranger, and not your own lips."
I see that this article was posted on the 18th,
however, it could have been written much earlier. Not defending Stuart, but it could be that Kaufmann was not on the payroll at that point, or it could be that Stuart does not hold him in high regard……just an observation.
We ought to Haboob his ass
What the hell?
Porn industry?
Zero credibility…duly noted.
This is a 3 ring circus up in here......
by oldschoolraider on Jan 18, 2012 6:09 PM CST reply actions
What the hell?
I go off the grid for a few months and here’s what I come back to:
1. There are a bunch of new posters here challenging the “establishment”
2. You met Mike Leach in Key West, and I’ve also seen pictures of a homeless pirate singing for dollars. Must have been the best company meeting in the history of the world- completed with Grizzly chew.
3. Mike is in the porn industry? Wha?
4. Baylor has a Heisman winner and two top 10 basketball programs.
5. Craig James is all over my TV sayin “Amurica is great cuz it’s people are gooood. Now watch me put on ma cowboy hat and throw this here footbaw”
What the hell is this world coming to? I say we have some fun and go Occupy RP. We can bring tents and drums and rats and annoy the shit outta them. Plus we can write it off as a team building event.
No bullfights. No gambling. No donkeys. No vanilla extracts. No piñatas. None of that stuff. Straight football. No switchblades.
by San Antonio Red Raider on Jan 18, 2012 9:00 PM CST up reply actions
I'm busy enjoying Pirate Pornography
Fresh from the great State of Washington. How about them apples?
"...Fight for the school we love so dearly"
I warned you
About taking time away from dtn to move and birth another little wolf.
This is a 3 ring circus up in here......
by oldschoolraider on Jan 18, 2012 10:23 PM CST up reply actions
Whose Pornography do you prefer? Tuberville's or Leach's?
Tuberville sticks to filming all the usual traditional positions. I’m not saying that’s bad, I’m just saying. Spike Dykes had a great name for the porn industry, but most of his stuff was in black & white.
"...Fight for the school we love so dearly"
More on leach and the porn connection
by jef on Jan 18, 2012 9:59 PM CST via mobile reply actions
I read it
and all I got was that Leach has a business relationship with Gray in nothing that relates to porn in any way. I am not worried about it, the current business deal, but Leach should probably let this relationship expire.
Now here is a real story from Lubbock and Tech…Oh, somewhere about 1970, through a friend, I met a relatively cool guy, ex-Nam vet and artistic kind of guy. We hung out a bit. Visiting his garage apartment one night, he showed me his collection of Playboy magazines. Big deal..not.
At one time, he and his biz. partner used my ex-wife, then girlfriend, as a model for a cosmetic line promotion in West Texas. Purely legit and innocent. (my daughters were impressed that Mom looked so good, way back when)
After that, he and his artist business partner decided to move to California and seek their fortune. I bought a modern art picture from the partner for $100 (it was 1971 and that was a lot of my tips earned from the La Fonda del Sol restaurant). And that was the end of our connection.
Decades later, I find out via google that this guy had become a porn actor and later producer and was a significant ‘player’ in that ‘industry’ prior to his death.
So, does that make me a porn person and my ex-wife the former model of a porn star/director? Does it mean that we shared the same values even though I hung with the guy a while?
Obviously, I think not.
Birds of a feather may indeed flock together for a while, but it certainly does not mean they are of the same stripe. And yes, after 41 years, the painting I bought from the artist/partner (Eric Barber/Tech student) still hangs on my wall. It isn’t porn and I am not tainted by whatever the unnamed one and Eric did or did not do in their lives.
And that is a true story.
nope, same rag
Simple rule of thumb: Everything before the but is BS.
by FriscoRaider on Jan 19, 2012 7:52 AM CST up reply actions
I thought it was a "rag" too
after checking with a friend who has lived in Seattle for decades. He called it, “Liberal. Alternative rag”. Also said, “Balanced? Uh, no.”
But Set moderated my comment including the following comment, “It is a fairly reputable publisher as they also publish the Dallad Observer.”
So I guess it’s not a rag.
I have been complimented many times and they always embarrass me; I always feel that they have not said enough. -Mark Twain
Haven’t seen it recently, but my recollection of the Dallas Observer is consistent with the term rag.
Simple rule of thumb: Everything before the but is BS.
by FriscoRaider on Jan 19, 2012 8:09 AM CST up reply actions
That’s fine, but like I said last night, Robert Wilonsky is a fairly good writer IMO and he does a good job of keeping up with all things Dallas. The Dallas Observer is to the Dallas City Council as DTN is to TTU = holding feet to fire.
Go Raiders . . .
Double-T Nation
I don’t know if its a bad newspaper or not, I just know that the publisher publishes the Dallas Observer (very good in my opinion) and I know they also publish the NY Village Voice and some other papers throughout the country. I just don’t think this is a good argument, someone could say the same thing about me, “That Seth C can only manage to write on a blog.”
Go Raiders . . .
Double-T Nation
A publisher can be good and have good publications – but that doesn’t mean all of them are. In my opinion, people who live in the area a LOCAL paper is circulated are a good judge/barometer of the paper.
As you’ve seen on this post, a handful of folks question whether the Observer is a good publication. You think it is. Doesn’t make you right. Doesn’t make you wrong. Same is true for those of us on the flip side.
Maybe you can only write on a blog, I don’t know…I’m not sure where you’re going with that because I think writing on a blog is a big deal and because it’s not your “real” job. Not at all a parallel comparison with full-time journalists.
I have been complimented many times and they always embarrass me; I always feel that they have not said enough. -Mark Twain
Useful definition while filtering through 200+ messages appearing out of left field suddenly
In Internet slang, a troll is someone who posts inflammatory,2 extraneous, or off-topic messages in an online community, such as an online discussion forum, chat room, or blog, with the primary intent of provoking readers into an emotional response3 or of otherwise disrupting normal on-topic discussion.4 The noun troll may refer to the provocative message itself, as in: “That was an excellent troll you posted”.
While the word troll and its associated verb trolling are associated with Internet discourse, media attention in recent years has made such labels subjective, with trolling describing intentionally provocative actions and harassment outside of an online context.
"...Fight for the school we love so dearly"
The reason
You are spot on is clear. WTS first response states that the original post was not relevant to dtn. When challenged, he went hyperbolic and stated mike is in the porn industry. Not, I disapprove of the friends he has or the like…but to a very direct statement.
This is a 3 ring circus up in here......
by oldschoolraider on Jan 19, 2012 12:22 PM CST up reply actions
To DTN's credit - we just don't get that many trolls.......
As such, we are probably a bit susceptible to the ploy. You may live in a nice neighborhood, but it’s still a good idea not to leave the garage door open overnight just because you’ve gotten comfortable. At any rate, after a little bait has been swallowed, it’s nice to know that we generally have the were-withal to spit put the hook before it gets set.
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Harvey "Big Daddy" Pollitt: "What's that smell in this room? Didn't you notice it, Brick? Didn't you notice a powerful and obnoxious odor of mendacity in this room?"
by Dunka on Jan 19, 2012 1:34 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
And no matter how outrageous the charge, you have to be cautious in case it turns out to be true
I’m pretty sure I saw Leach & Dana Holgerson in the background in one of the 1st Girls Gone Wild DVD’s. Maybe my eyes were just playing tricks on me.
"...Fight for the school we love so dearly"
that was me and KW, but
we are handsome that way……………..I can see the confusion
We ought to Haboob his ass
I don't think you read the above correct.
To my defense I was asked a personal question, to which I gave me opinion. It was off topic and maybe I should have responded by saying. “You need to ask a better question.” So, to be being challenged…..I can only laugh at that.
It just show me more and more Double T Nation has “some” posters that really are quite ridiculous. Your only defense to the article is to try to assassinate my personal character. So, are we into slander now at Double T Nation? Being called a “troll” by mbrown603 and such is really showing me you guys maturity level. It’s a shame really. Double T Nation is/was a good place.
"Let another praise you, and not your own mouth; A stranger, and not your own lips."
someone killed Double T Nation?
"Nothing can bring you peace but the triumph of principles." ~ RW Emerson
by raider realist on Jan 19, 2012 1:45 PM CST up reply actions
Really kid. Grow up.
"Let another praise you, and not your own mouth; A stranger, and not your own lips."
Makes sense - the expert on adult entertainment will be an ace at spotting non-adults
"...Fight for the school we love so dearly"
C'mon man, were talking about someone who died here
show some respect.
"Nothing can bring you peace but the triumph of principles." ~ RW Emerson
by raider realist on Jan 19, 2012 2:00 PM CST up reply actions
I know a good counselor? Are you just reaching out son?
"Let another praise you, and not your own mouth; A stranger, and not your own lips."
Does he counsel pornographers?
Cuz we’ve all been called out as porn lovers here, by association. He could make a freakin fortune!
"Nothing can bring you peace but the triumph of principles." ~ RW Emerson
by raider realist on Jan 19, 2012 2:04 PM CST up reply actions
She actually does.
"Let another praise you, and not your own mouth; A stranger, and not your own lips."
I'M PUMPED!
LET THE HEALING BEGIN….
(100 DTN Bucks for first to name that movie association)
"Nothing can bring you peace but the triumph of principles." ~ RW Emerson
by raider realist on Jan 19, 2012 2:20 PM CST up reply actions
Son is derogatory....
This is a 3 ring circus up in here......
by oldschoolraider on Jan 19, 2012 2:21 PM CST up reply actions
I'm breaking a rule of never engaging directly with one - As in "Don't Freed The ...."
So let me start by saying that if you are not deliberately engaging in troll behavior, let me tell you that you have a real gift for it & may want to consider taking it up professionally. 18 years on internet message boards has given me the following watchouts for trolling. Check them to see if any apply here.
1. Make a statement so outrageous that you know it will create a shitstorm of controversy.
2. Never let a single reply to you go unreplied in return. This is called “feeding the fire”.
- is why I really try not to address a Troll directly, because that just helps him fuel the fire further. But I got all choked up over your wounded dignity here that I felt I should address it directly. I won’t be replying a second time, so have a field day with this one.
"...Fight for the school we love so dearly"
Then does this apply to yourself?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bigot_%28disambiguation%29
"Let another praise you, and not your own mouth; A stranger, and not your own lips."
And if you have problems with the article take it up with the writer.
Just because you disagree with me does not mean you have a right to call me names.
"Let another praise you, and not your own mouth; A stranger, and not your own lips."
You really how a person problem with people calling out ML don't you?
Very said that you can’t tolerate different opinions. Some people might call that…..well we are not suppose to name call at Double T Nation.
"Let another praise you, and not your own mouth; A stranger, and not your own lips."
Name calling. A rule you have already broken I might add mbrown603
"Let another praise you, and not your own mouth; A stranger, and not your own lips."
on another note......
it is getting close to Feb 3………….the day the music died
I'm not the King of Porn,
but I know who is.
And Feb 4th is highfive a random stranger day.
"Let another praise you, and not your own mouth; A stranger, and not your own lips."
Do you screen
Those random people you high five? Guilty by association is a slippery slope.
This is a 3 ring circus up in here......
by oldschoolraider on Jan 19, 2012 2:20 PM CST up reply actions
If you read the Seattle Weekly,
I’m pretty sure “highfive a random stranger” is gay hookup code.
"Nothing can bring you peace but the triumph of principles." ~ RW Emerson
by raider realist on Jan 19, 2012 2:28 PM CST up reply actions
http://survivingtheworld.net/Lesson1280.html
"Let another praise you, and not your own mouth; A stranger, and not your own lips."
AWSOME!
I love this site already! Has one of the greatest<img src=“href=”http://survivingtheworld.net/Lesson1293.jpg" target="new">"/> Venn Diagrams of all time!
"Nothing can bring you peace but the triumph of principles." ~ RW Emerson
by raider realist on Jan 19, 2012 2:38 PM CST up reply actions
DAMNIT
"Nothing can bring you peace but the triumph of principles." ~ RW Emerson
by raider realist on Jan 19, 2012 2:40 PM CST up reply actions
See, we can be friends.
We agree on some things.
"Let another praise you, and not your own mouth; A stranger, and not your own lips."
Pops, I've been trying to get you to have some fun with us ever since the top of the page
"Nothing can bring you peace but the triumph of principles." ~ RW Emerson
by raider realist on Jan 19, 2012 2:43 PM CST up reply actions
Random means random.
"Let another praise you, and not your own mouth; A stranger, and not your own lips."
I sincerely hope that people wouldn't damn me for the people I deal with on a day to day basis...
This is insane.
" Answers --Become Resources."
Without Questions, There are limited Resources...
Right?
In that case, I think it would be better if you didn’t know me.
" Answers --Become Resources."
Without Questions, There are limited Resources...
I was doing way too much clean living
that’s why I got on DTN, to get to know people like you, KWash, and blackbeard of course. I think it’s working. I’m turning cynical and swearing more. But if I start to grow a beard like yours – it is definitely time for an intervention!
I have been complimented many times and they always embarrass me; I always feel that they have not said enough. -Mark Twain
I pride myself on a good beard. I keep it groomed and looking terrific.
But the downside to all this is the fact that I’ve been sleeping with my hairdresser for the past 12 years. Now, you’re all associated with that (my wife cuts my hair, yet not a hairdresser). As long as we’re making factual statements, amiright?
Case and point. I had to bury a dear friend yesterday. I rode with this man, built a few bikes for him and enjoyed drinking beer and hanging out. He died from a heroin overdose. I don’t do drugs and never will. Does this make me a bad person, having known him?
I love blanket statements. They fix everything and make me right.
PS – not directed at Austin, just venting my frustration.
" Answers --Become Resources."
Without Questions, There are limited Resources...
Oh, KWash, I'm so, so sorry.
You are one of the nicest, most sincere people I’ve met (via DTN, facebook & email) who clearly holds family and friends dear. Loving our friends who have struggles, and let’s face it, who doesn’t, is part of what defines a good friend in my mind. Your friend was lucky to have you. Again, I’m very sorry for your loss.
I have been complimented many times and they always embarrass me; I always feel that they have not said enough. -Mark Twain
Thank you. He was a good guy.
I was just trying to make a point about being “guilty by association”.
Don’t tell these people I’m nice, it will ruin my image.
" Answers --Become Resources."
Without Questions, There are limited Resources...
KW, sorry for your loss,
the fact that you nang with me and Damien should be enough to keep your “rep” tarnished for life.
We ought to Haboob his ass
My bad
Dang, every response I’ve come up with has a name in it & since that’s not allowed just consider yourself sufficiently cussed and insulted!
Or, you are not any of the following things:
nice
tame
sober
an example to anyone for good behavior
How’s that???!!
I have been complimented many times and they always embarrass me; I always feel that they have not said enough. -Mark Twain
I don't think Seth C knows
how good this site is … it opens up the world, revolving around Texas Tech football. Excellent, excellent writings and life’s lessons. People on here and their lives and passions, all with some part of wisdom. Lots to make one think.
It's happy hour for someone, somewhere in the world
and because we can associate with them live via the internets, it’s happy hour for us too! I LOVE this association game. Better than “6 degrees of separation from Kevin Bacon”…
"Nothing can bring you peace but the triumph of principles." ~ RW Emerson
by raider realist on Jan 19, 2012 1:09 PM CST up reply actions
Well, if I'm on DTN, and Blackbeard is on DTN, and Blackbeard is pouring a drink....
…then – by association – I better pour myself a drink too.
Thanks Blackbeard!
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Harvey "Big Daddy" Pollitt: "What's that smell in this room? Didn't you notice it, Brick? Didn't you notice a powerful and obnoxious odor of mendacity in this room?"
Cheers
and may I pour another before the Devil knows you are dead……………or something like that
We ought to Haboob his ass
Looks like I have some catching up to do..........
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Harvey "Big Daddy" Pollitt: "What's that smell in this room? Didn't you notice it, Brick? Didn't you notice a powerful and obnoxious odor of mendacity in this room?"
doubles are cheaper, but
fourples will get you there faster
I'm not the King of Porn,
but I know who is.
Well then, a double fourple it is.
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Harvey "Big Daddy" Pollitt: "What's that smell in this room? Didn't you notice it, Brick? Didn't you notice a powerful and obnoxious odor of mendacity in this room?"
here is a little pirate humor
from a Dallas kid close to death that got a lung transplant.
http://www.myfoxhouston.com/dpp/health/120116-not-even-thieves-could-take-childs-gift-of-life
It is on the video at the 2:35 mark, but you should hear the whole story.
The joke is funner to hear him tell it, but here it is:
Pirate Captain walks into a bar and he has a Helm in his pants. Bartender asks him “why is there a helm in your pants”? Captain says, “I know, it’s driving me nuts”.
Hey all, I’m going to be busy for the rest of the day and I’m going to be away from any computer tomorrow as I’ll be in CLE. So, it appears that the discussion has somewhat devolved and if we can’t figure to either let things go and let people have their opinion (even if you disagree with them or if it appears that they are based off of assumptions!), I’m going to close the comments on this FanShot because I won’t be able to moderate anything tomorrow.
Please don’t make me do this.
Go Raiders . . .
Double-T Nation
Seth...
The internets would be a better place without this thread..and that’s saying a lot. I say shoot in the head and go back to finding us a 2nd tight end
This is a 3 ring circus up in here......
by oldschoolraider on Jan 19, 2012 2:25 PM CST up reply actions 4 recs
And we’re done. Let’s put it this way. Either you all can figure out how to all get along relatively well, or I’ll just start banning people, doesn’t matter if you’re new or been around for a while, but this shit needs to stop.
Here’s a simple rule for everyone: You cannot always win the internet.
Go Raiders . . .
Double-T Nation
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