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The Timing, The Rumors, A Disconnected Phone, a Mutual Parting of Ways and So Much More

There have been so many things that have happened, off the field with the program, I wanted to try to do a post that I felt like could represent what I'm thinking happened with the situation regarding the mutual agreement of DC Chad Glasgow and Texas Tech to part ways, but I needed some time to try to figure out how I wanted to proceed. This is that post.

I also wanted to preface this post by saying that these are all of my thoughts and since we only have two things that we know, that Feldman tweeted that Glasgow had been fired and that JUCO CB Kasseim Everett said that he tried to call Glasgow but that Glasgow's phone was disconnected, I could write "I think" before everything, but please assume that everything should read with the idea that these are my thoughts. And I realize that this is a very speculative post and I don't do many truly speculative posts, but there's so much information that we don't know about the situation, so we're left to guess.

Timing

The timing of this thing was thrown all askew when CBS Sports Bruce Feldman tweeted on December 20, 2011 that Texas Tech had fired Glasgow:

"Just heard that Tommy Tuberville has fired Texas Tech DC Chad Glasgow. That's fourth assistant to go this offseason there."

At this point was mostly likely having discussions about terminating Glasgow, or did in fact tell Glasgow that he was terminated. Either way, Texas Tech was in a lose-lose situation because if Texas Tech did nothing or issued a no comment, then the natural reaction was that something was afoot. The other option was to make a comment, which is what Texas Tech did through Blayne Beal:

"I have confirmed that," Beal said, "and I will even confirm that he will not be fired. He has not been fired, and he has not resigned."

Technically, all of this is and was true at the time. Technically. There were most likely some details that needed to be worked out in regards to a possible buyout or negotiations. When attorneys get involved, and most likely were involved, then these sorts of things take time.

Again, I don't know what could have been said to make this situation any better because once Feldman let the cat out of the bag, I think we all knew that the writing was on the wall and it was just a matter of timing.

The Rumors

This is where things get murky and ugly. Let me be clear: I don't know what happened. I'm not saying that anything is fact or fiction or anything like that. I don't know what happened and most likely, neither do you. The rumors started the national signing day for JUCO players, December 21, 2011. One day after Feldman broke the news. You can read my summation of some of the rumors here and you can also read them from this comment. From what I could tell, the fine folks at DTN didn't say that any of this was fact, it was all very much, "this is what I heard," or, "this was posted on another site". If some of you took it as fact, then that's your right, but for me, this was just additional information that may have been right or wrong.

It's a safe bet to think perhaps Glasgow wasn't pleased with something, most likely the recent hires that had been made and that it may have been a revelation to Glasgow that Tuberville had made the decision that the defense would be reverting back to the 4-3, rather than the 4-2-5 defense that Glasgow was employed to run. If I were Glasgow I wouldn't want to be in charge of a defense that I didn't feel comfortable running. You can make your own decision about how Glawgow should have reacted, but the only confirmation that we have that Texas Tech will be running the 4-3 is from some of the JUCO commits. Either way, Tuberville hired a new offensive line coach that isn't a "spread" guru and we haven't heard a peep out of offensive coordinator Neal Brown. Perhaps it's just a difference in their personalities, but it's not as if there are ton of schools that are running the 4-2-5 so Tuberville's coaching pool was somewhat limited, which again may be an issue with Tuberville making an attempt at something innovative that has backfired on him.

So, you have to take those rumors with the idea that they may be true and they may be completely made up. I get the feeling that there were some bad feelings between Tuberville and Glasgow and that it truly was a mutual agreement that they should not work together. What happened in between could be anything from the two things linked above, to the very real possibility that Tuberville told recruits that Texas Tech would be switching to the 4-3 before telling Glasgow, that Glasgow heard it from the JUCO players and may have told Everett's dad what happened, i.e., "Well, some JUCO players told me that we're switching to the 4-3, before Tuberville even informed me, and if you're looking for some reassurance from me as to whether or not what's happening or whether or not I'll be the defensive coordinator next year, then I may not be the person that can do that." That's not be bad-mouthing, but it may be telling the truth. It very well could have been that simple and something like that could have been turned into, "Glasgow was bad-mouthing Texas Tech". Alternately, Glasgow could very well have been defaming Texas Tech and Tuberville, we just don't know at this point.

A Disconnected Phone

Same thing applies to Kasseim Everett. You take his comments for what they are worth. They may be true, they may not be true. Per Sooner Nation, Everett announced his intention to go to Texas Tech at the signing ceremony, and even put on the hat. Afterwards, OU coaches Bob Stoops and Willie Martinez contacted Everett and told him that he made the wrong decision (which makes me wonder how they knew that he didn't actually sign the LOI, which would seemingly make Everett off-limits, but I don't know) and then Everett apparently tried to call Glasgow, but his phone had been disconnected. Everett said that his father had a relationship with Glasgow and there are rumors (see above) that Glasgow bad-mouthed Texas Tech to Everett's father. There is nothing in the Sooner Nation article that says that Everett's father and Glasgow didn't talk. It just says that when Everett tried to contact Glasgow that Glasgow's phone had been disconnected.

I have not listened to this intereview, but on December 22, 2011, Texas Tech defensive end's coach Robert Prunty was on the Williams and Hyatt Show (sorry Hyatt, I don't sign up for any subscription based stuff!) and Prunty said that he talked with Everett 5 minutes before he signed. I don't think that Prunty is lying.

What I think happened is that the coaching world is a small one, and that Stoops and Martinez probably knew that Glasgow was either gone or close to being gone in some form or fashion and that they told Everett, sure, you just talked with Prunty, but your defensive coordinator is about to be let go. Try calling him. I don't fault Stoops or Martinez for doing this, especially because Everett hadn't signed on the dotted line. It ain't over til he's signed.

There's a ton more after the jump, so please click on through.

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A Mutual Parting of Ways

In what seemed like forever, although in reality it was nine days, Texas Tech announced that Glasgow and Texas Tech had parted ways. This is fine and it allows Beal to be accurate as he said that Glasgow would not be fired. Again, I know it's a technicality, but whatever, to me it's irrelevant how he was let go, the fact that he's no longer the defensive coordinator is the real story.

Athletic director Kirby Hocutt made the sports-talk circuit on that day and made it clear that the relationship had soured, which is why I think this makes sense:

"It’s hard to explain at times why change is inevitable and things just don’t work," Hocutt said. "The timing and fit’s not right. It was a mutual conversation and, ultimately, a mutual decision that it was in the best interests for our football program and in the best interests of Chad personally and professionally to part ways. Those are never easy conversations to engage in for either side, but we wish him only the best."

I don't know how much I can add to that, so I'll just say that if they weren't getting along, then this was the best solution. I imagine that with the holidays, people weren't working on the 23rd through the 26th, which means that there were really five business days between Feldman's initial report and when the mutual agreement occurred. They may have all known it was going to happen, but just had to work out some contractual details.

Tuberville's Contract Situation

On January 18, 2011, as one of the last things that former AD Gerald Myers would do, he extended Tuberville's contract to 2015. It is standard for most college coaches to have five years on their contracts, so that they can tell players that he intends on being there for the long haul. We should all perk up if in January of 2012 Hocutt extends Tuberville's contract to 2016. I've always assumed that Tuberville came to Hocutt and told him that he and Glasgow weren't getting along and he wanted to go in another direction. Hocutt assured Tuberville that he would take care of the mess and deal with the buyouts, but that 2012 was the year that he needed to show improvement. I think that Tuberville did a good job of keeping the program at a good level in 2010, but the football team took a dip in 2011 and despite any reason for the losses, the buck stops with Tuberville.

Essentially, I think that Hocutt gave Tuberville a kitchen-pass for him to get the coaches he wanted, but that he needed to show him the baby in 2012.

Hocutt was hired as the Miami AD in 2008 and Randy Shannon had been the head coach since 2007, a year before Hocutt arrived. After Miami's 7-5 season, Hocutt fired Shannon, again, despite a winning record, but Hocutt essentially gave Shannon three years to prove he should be the head coach and 2012 will be Tuberville's third year.

If Tuberville is not extended in 2012, and the time to do this sort of thing is now or prior to National Signing Day, which I think is February 1, 2012, then I think this is a clear indication that Hocutt has made himself perfectly clear to Tuberville.

You can argue whether or not Tuberville should have more than three years, but I think the results need to be in the W's column. The defense obviously has to improve and there has to be some continuity on the defensive side of the ball in order for there to be significant improvement.

Being Honest

I've received some emails and Twitter responses about how I need to be more positive about the program and that I need to give the football program more time.

I didn't create this situation. Tuberville did. He's the one that has gone through two defensive coordinators in two years, which is almost unheard of. I was willing to give Tuberville a pass after hiring and then firing James Willis due to the fact that the actual cause of termination may have had something to do with alleged spousal abuse and I had a hard time faulting Tuberville for knowing whether or not a person has a history of that sort of thing. But the Glasgow situation is completely different. Tuberville has to start taking some of the blame here. I'd love to be writing about how I should be patient, but Tuberville isn't being very patient, so I can't imagine why I should implore fans or anyone else to have that very same trait.

If Tuberville were to come out and acknowledge that he made a mistake in going to the 4-2-5 and that he takes the responsibility for the poor defense last year, then I think he'd come across as a person who is actively trying to be better. He should also say that he knows the 4-3 inside and out and although he may not coordinate the defense, the failure or success of the defense is going to rest squarely on him and he will do more coaching and teaching this year than he's done in his 17 years as a head coach.

I think it would do wonders for his public perception.

What I suspect Tuberville will say is that the 4-3 is really the 4-2-5 and so there's not going to be much transition, if any transition at all.

That's the wrong move.

The best way to embrace a fan base is to take responsibility for your actions and "own" whatever it is that you're after. This is not owning the situation:

"As you heard (Thursday), Chad Glasgow decided to leave and it was one of those deals where he was a young guy, he was disappointed, we were disappointed," Tuberville said. "I tried to talk him into staying, but sometimes when things are not going very well a change of scenery is good for you in our profession. We both decided it was best to do this and go on."

Tuberville continued.

"I'll hire someone in the next couple of weeks to be our defensive coordinator.... It wasn't really playing, it wasn't really coaching, it was just the type of players we were putting on the field against what other teams we were playing put on the field -- I watched that Baylor game last night and felt sorry for both teams playing against those offenses with all their speed. You have to have speed these days on defense."

Tuberville also talked about his thoughts on the defense going forward. Rumor has it that the Red Raiders will switch back to the 4-3 defense it ran as late as 2009.

"Our defensive philosophy is not going to change," Tuberville said. "Players win games and we've got to get bigger defensive linemen and we've got to get more players and more depth to play that can play in open space. We were terrible tacklers last year, and we got better as the year went on but you've got to be able to have more than seven or eight guys. You've got to sub and have depth... We're not that far away, but sometimes it looks like you're far away when you're not playing as well as you need to play.

"I thought we had a chance to win seven or eight. We should have beaten Missouri and probably should have beaten Kansas State, but we just didn't match well against other teams -- I guess Texas A&M is another team we matched up pretty well against."

Tuberville, this is your time to own this mo-fo.

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"We were terrible tacklers last year, and we got better as the year went on "

Better get your eyes check bubba.

Very good write up Seth. It’s probably just me, but I sense an disingenuous streak in Tuberville’s words – much like hance’s. I can’t tell if he is outright lying or just speaking in half truths. Either way, you hit the nail on the head with your last line.

i'm back bitches.....................deal with it.

by blackbeard on Jan 2, 2012 8:13 AM CST reply actions  

He just doesn't get it ...

maybe I will send him a copy of one of the best books about leadership out there:

Leadership and Self-Deception: Getting Out of the Box

“… shows why the truth about failure is so difficult to see, and explains how to overcome such self-deception.” — Dave Checketts, Former President and CEO, Madison Square Garden Corp.; GM of the Utah Jazz and NY Knicks.

by Arizona Raider on Jan 2, 2012 9:12 AM CST up reply actions  

Love this book

And I agree 100%.

Tubs has not taken credit for any of our failures. Time to look in the mirror.

I want nothing more than him to coach our defense. Heck – I agree with Seth – id even take tubs coming out and saying he will be involved with fixing the defense. Best case however – he takes over. No one to blame but himself.

by beantownraider on Jan 2, 2012 4:16 PM CST via mobile up reply actions  

tubs refuses to own up

or tell the truth. “coach” speak is it, which in tubs case means lying your ass off.

i like lose women

by freakinout on Jan 2, 2012 11:11 AM CST up reply actions  

Accountability

How can he ask is Asst Coaches or players to be accountable when he never is?

The standard answer of the ball just didnt bounce our way or the Good Lord didnt have it in the books for us, doesnt really = coaching

College Football: "Our Traditions are now for Sale"
.....................................................................................

"Well the ball just didnt bounce our way today" Tommy Tubervile, after decades of coaching experience, the best he can do ....................................................................................................................................
Blaze a trail, spend some time in West Texas, feel the sand sting your skin and burn your eyes, let the winter dry your hands, learn that its there only because our ancestors didn’t want to be around other people … that’s West Texas

by Gus Mitchem on Jan 2, 2012 12:03 PM CST up reply actions  

FINALLY!

He said it. We were TERRIBLE tacklers last year. But then he goes on to whine about speed – yes, I get it, you have to be fast to be in the position to make the tackle, but I refuse to say we lost the games he notes where we matched up well because of a lack of speed – it was pure and simple – missed tackles and not always in that much space. We definitely need to get bigger up front, and get a couple of linebackers that can get from sideline to sideline in a hurry and with a bad attitude once they get there. Disappointed about Glasgow, I really had high hopes for him. Wreck ’em.

by JohnGoTech on Jan 3, 2012 7:58 PM CST up reply actions  

Very good analysis, as usual. Next up: Lipstick on a pig.

The Tech communication plan to the fan base is pathetic and must improve in 2012. Yeah – I know this like putting lipstick on a pig and then posting the picture on Facebook, but Tech has got so many problems on how they communicate their message.

The Tech Atheltic Department has serious reputation issues they have to address. Some of them are self inflicted, some not. If we recall, when Tubbs first took the Tech job after the Leach incident, he went on a type of goodwill tour in an attempt to heal the fan base. It will be interesting to see if he does the same level of “Heal the Base” tours in the firsy half of 2012. I’m not seeing any indication that the Tech Atheletic program thinks THEY have a problem. The Tech Atheletic program thinks WE THE FANS have a problem.

But as Seth clearly stated, Tubs owns this thing now.

by oldguyred on Jan 2, 2012 8:30 AM CST reply actions  

Nice post, Seth

Very disappointing comments by Tuberville.
“Players win games”?
“You’ve got to have more than seven or eight guys”? WHAT A CHICKEN SHIT!!!
Tommy, have you visited a practice lately? What have you done to develop what you have?

I find some encouragement from the signing of so many JUCOs. In light of Tuberville’s earlier comments about not building with JUCO players, this indicates to me that he must win now or take a hike…..he can’t drag this gig out waiting on the development of sophomores, red-shirts and incoming freshmen.
Like Seth, I’ll be warily watching news from TTU. Better not be a contract extension for this coach.

by Tn Raider on Jan 2, 2012 8:31 AM CST reply actions  

My fear about all the Jucos

is that CTT is sacrificing the long-term progress of the program for short-term saving of his job.

"I’ve established a reputation for integrity. I have maintained those high standards" - Craig James

by TechFirst on Jan 2, 2012 9:32 AM CST up reply actions  

agree 100 %

What bugs me even more, is if the talent recruited in the last 2yrs sucked so bad …… what makes us think the JUCO players will be any different?

"we did a lot of things well, but there are several areas that need improving, our idea of moving forward is to do things that make you improve" - Jason Garrett

by chuck_TT on Jan 2, 2012 10:03 AM CST up reply actions  

What really Sucks

is you can see the talent level (think Marquez, Scott Smith, McRoy etc) is much higher, but the performance and spirt of the team is near zero. IF the coaching was equal we would have one hell of a team

College Football: "Our Traditions are now for Sale"
.....................................................................................

"Well the ball just didnt bounce our way today" Tommy Tubervile, after decades of coaching experience, the best he can do ....................................................................................................................................
Blaze a trail, spend some time in West Texas, feel the sand sting your skin and burn your eyes, let the winter dry your hands, learn that its there only because our ancestors didn’t want to be around other people … that’s West Texas

by Gus Mitchem on Jan 2, 2012 12:05 PM CST up reply actions  

WOW way to make me feel worse!

All those names you mentioned are ML recruits …. seems the old pirate recruiting wasn’t so bad either…

So does anyone have a list of any player signed in the last 2 years that have made any contribution ?

"we did a lot of things well, but there are several areas that need improving, our idea of moving forward is to do things that make you improve" - Jason Garrett

by chuck_TT on Jan 2, 2012 5:52 PM CST up reply actions  

Those were all Tuberville guys.

Go Raiders . . .
Double-T Nation

by Seth C on Jan 2, 2012 7:21 PM CST up reply actions  

Really ?

Please go easy cause I am a newbie – BUT …..

Scott Smith – Committed 12/16/2009 (Matt Moore)
McRoy – Committed 12/12/2009 -

Marquez – now that was Sonnie Cumbie – Tub’s did not even know what the kid looked like till he showed up to practice … this signing was more a case of Bob Stoops not picking up the phone when Dad called! Boy Karma is a bitch!

I find it hard to believe those are Tub’s guys ……. again the question is who is a “Tubs” recruit that has shown or made a contribution or all those guys have redshirts ?

"we did a lot of things well, but there are several areas that need improving, our idea of moving forward is to do things that make you improve" - Jason Garrett

by chuck_TT on Jan 2, 2012 8:09 PM CST up reply actions  

I guess it just depends. Smith and McRoy committed in the 2010 class. I sorta consider that class to be Tuberville’s first class but credit can go to both him and Leach.

To answer your question, it is tough to make an impact as a sophomore, redshirt freshman or true freshman, but there were a handful of players that made an impact but most impact players are juniors or seniors on most teams.

Go Raiders . . .
Double-T Nation

by Seth C on Jan 2, 2012 8:27 PM CST up reply actions  

I would agree, Tuberville honored their previous offers and commitments and should get credit, but he should not be held responsible for the guys that dropped out due to the coaching change as that sort of thing always happens.

Simple rule of thumb: Everything before the but is BS.

by FriscoRaider on Jan 2, 2012 8:38 PM CST up reply actions  

Well done Seth

I know you did not name names for those who are questioning your “loyalty” to the program, but keep speaking the truth. But it would be very interesting to know who is asking you to be more “positive”.

And the truth is simple – Tubby has not accepted responsibility. This statement makes me want ot puke – “It wasn’t really playing, it wasn’t really coaching, it was just the type of players we were putting on the field”. What a cop-out.

When your work speaks for itself, don't interrupt.

by candyroll on Jan 2, 2012 8:32 AM CST reply actions  

Not accepting responsibility

This is what leaves me skeptical about our future. How can you right the ship when you refuse to identify to root cause of the problem?

by Tn Raider on Jan 2, 2012 8:34 AM CST up reply actions  

I think I just want him to say that he’s going to roll up his sleeves and work his rear off and get this headed in the right direction, through coaching, recruiting, and anything else. I think this would endear him to the personality of West Texas, that being hard-working folk that make due with what they have.

Go Raiders . . .
Double-T Nation

by Seth C on Jan 2, 2012 8:36 AM CST up reply actions   2 recs

That would go a long way

I need to know he is going to outwork the other coaches in the Big-?? And take full responsibility for the performance of this team.

He must send a different message to his players and staff…..“Right here, right now,,,,this team can realize as much success as any team in our conference.”

by Tn Raider on Jan 2, 2012 8:42 AM CST up reply actions  

West Texas

Seems he would get IT after awhile, that we are generally tough people that make our own way and take responsibility, but he is really more like a farmer bitching about the weather

College Football: "Our Traditions are now for Sale"
.....................................................................................

"Well the ball just didnt bounce our way today" Tommy Tubervile, after decades of coaching experience, the best he can do ....................................................................................................................................
Blaze a trail, spend some time in West Texas, feel the sand sting your skin and burn your eyes, let the winter dry your hands, learn that its there only because our ancestors didn’t want to be around other people … that’s West Texas

by Gus Mitchem on Jan 2, 2012 12:07 PM CST up reply actions  

Tubby's comment right after the Baylor loss

is the most revealing. All he said was – “Recruiting”. Of course implying that it was the player’s fault, not his.

When your work speaks for itself, don't interrupt.

by candyroll on Jan 2, 2012 8:37 AM CST up reply actions   2 recs

I find this one hard to believe also:

" “I tried to talk him into staying, but sometimes when things are not going very well a change of scenery is good for you in our profession.” little tommy.

i'm back bitches.....................deal with it.

by blackbeard on Jan 2, 2012 8:35 AM CST reply actions  

Hocutt said the same thing in his interview from last week, FWIW.

Go Raiders . . .
Double-T Nation

by Seth C on Jan 2, 2012 8:37 AM CST up reply actions  

Somehow I believe that part

I think they tried to convince CG to stay. But Chad is probably the wisest of the bunch right now. I think he saw the ship sinking. I also think he’s wise enough to see Tubby blaming everybody but himself. CG put 2 and 2 together and concluded it’s time to hit the road.

When your work speaks for itself, don't interrupt.

by candyroll on Jan 2, 2012 8:41 AM CST up reply actions  

Maybe what I am trying to say is that he is not a clear thinker....

and that his thinking and talking don’t always jive. I’d like to know if he and CG discussed the new hires BEFORE they were hired. I know tt is the HC, but common courtesy says one would discuss hiring someone else’s subordinates. IF they did not, any amount of begging, talking, pleading, MIGHT not change CG’s mind. The toothpaste is out of the tube at that point.

i'm back bitches.....................deal with it.

by blackbeard on Jan 2, 2012 8:47 AM CST up reply actions  

Agreed

That is the piece that is unknown. But if, in fact, Tubby hired Lovett without his input and/or consent, CG had every right to be upset.

When your work speaks for itself, don't interrupt.

by candyroll on Jan 2, 2012 8:49 AM CST up reply actions  

Also Agree

Sounds like not only did he make a few hires without consulting GC but also made the decision to switch to the 4-3.

by tech 83 on Jan 2, 2012 10:17 AM CST up reply actions  

I think what probably happened...

was that they tried to get him to stay on the staff….but not as DC. That’s just my personal belief. I find it hard to believe that if they had already decided on running the 4-3 and bringing in former experienced Tubs assistants that have run it before, that CG…who has no experience in another scheme other than the 4-2-5 would be running it. I’m sorry, but I just don’t think it’s realistic. I think they tried to convince him to stay on and take a demotion, and obviously he was not willing. My personal belief though..

by J.Brown5 on Jan 2, 2012 2:46 PM CST up reply actions  

This makes the most sense to me

Get your kicks, on route 66...

by ReneR on Jan 2, 2012 3:04 PM CST up reply actions  

To have realistic expectation of pulling something like that off, one would have to bring Glasgow into the loop. The only believable explanation for they way TuBS handled this would be that he was trying to make it clear that Glasgow wasn’t welcome at Tech anymore and make it incredibly difficult for him to stay. I am no big Glascow booster, but this was a chicken shit way to treat a guy you hired less than a year ago.

Simple rule of thumb: Everything before the but is BS.

by FriscoRaider on Jan 2, 2012 3:12 PM CST up reply actions  

Does that make him a liar ?

I think so, that is the “Salesman” first mentality ! What ever happens behind the scenes is one thing, but he thinks he is smart enough (or we are dumb enough) that he can spin (lie) the story.

Like a guy that goes two tons over to buy liquor, so his neighbors dont catch him

College Football: "Our Traditions are now for Sale"
.....................................................................................

"Well the ball just didnt bounce our way today" Tommy Tubervile, after decades of coaching experience, the best he can do ....................................................................................................................................
Blaze a trail, spend some time in West Texas, feel the sand sting your skin and burn your eyes, let the winter dry your hands, learn that its there only because our ancestors didn’t want to be around other people … that’s West Texas

by Gus Mitchem on Jan 2, 2012 12:09 PM CST up reply actions  

Great write up Seth. It boils down to results at this point and I tend to think the money donors and season ticket holders are ready for a change. If we don’t get and undefeated non-conference in September we’re done. Just win games and stop making excuses. I have little faith in this guys ability.

"You've got to find your inner pirate" - Mike Leach

by Raider1992 on Jan 2, 2012 8:47 AM CST reply actions  

Could we...

lose to Bob Davies’ UNM team? Or Fran’s Texas State bunch (remember they gave us a hard time)?

by djn on Jan 3, 2012 1:09 AM CST up reply actions  

And this time Tech is on the road and at "Bobcat" stadium

Texas State will want to put on a good show for their improved and bigger stadium

Plus I am sure Fran is “coaching” his current players plus he might have some of the Central Texas talent that did not want to move too far from home playing for him.

Even Tech’s non-conference games next season might hit us in the ass with a big “L”.

.

"I was taught to fight, taught to win" .... "Don’t Give Up"

by RndRckTTU on Jan 3, 2012 3:35 PM CST up reply actions  

Tuberville, this is your time to own this mo-fo.

I think Tuberville owned it from day one. It just hasn’t worked out according to plan.

Some of the posts in hear are funny. You don’t like his comment about players win games? If we swapped all our players with all of LSU’s players, you think we would still have a bad team? Now it isn’t all players as until Miles confidently got a new OC, he looked like a coach heading for the hot seat, but he wouldn’t be in the title game if he had our players.

Can’t win with 8 or 9 players? Leach used to say that all the time.

Tuberville saying “Recruiting” is a bad answer? We never said that before. Recruiting was always the most important thing and some how is an exception for Tuberville? Recruiting is the answer and Tuberville seems to be doing that fairly well.

by RHS on Jan 2, 2012 9:03 AM CST reply actions  

Does the H in RHS

stand for Hance? This sounds like the corporate line to me.

When your work speaks for itself, don't interrupt.

by candyroll on Jan 2, 2012 9:06 AM CST up reply actions  

Thank you.

Go Raiders . . .
Double-T Nation

by Seth C on Jan 2, 2012 9:20 AM CST up reply actions  

I'm just sayin'

that if I’m a PR firm hired by the Tech athletic dept to write a response, this would be pretty close to the verbiage.

When your work speaks for itself, don't interrupt.

by candyroll on Jan 2, 2012 9:29 AM CST up reply actions  

Yes, but I don’t like comments where someone is accused of being part of the administration or part of some sort of conspiracy. They may just have a different opinion than you and discussing their opinion is better than making an accusation.

Go Raiders . . .
Double-T Nation

by Seth C on Jan 2, 2012 9:30 AM CST up reply actions  

I did not make an accusation

just an observation. With a little “humor”. Now maybe the humor was over the top, so for that I apologize.

When your work speaks for itself, don't interrupt.

by candyroll on Jan 2, 2012 9:33 AM CST up reply actions  

I understand, but I’m just not a fan of making that type of comment as it’s a red herring to that person’s comment.

Go Raiders . . .
Double-T Nation

by Seth C on Jan 2, 2012 9:44 AM CST up reply actions  

Agree

I see enough of that red herring stuff on other sites. Sometimes I wonder if we do see paid posters both here and elsewhere, but the appropriate thing to do is to stick to the particulars of the debate (as Seth asks) and leave out the other stuff. It’s usually better to let the other guy hang himself with his own rope (although I’m sorely tempted to go off the rails myself sometimes).

by djn on Jan 3, 2012 1:15 AM CST up reply actions  

Depends on the circumstance when you make the quote

If you give credit to players following success, “players win games”, the statement is appropriate and builds pride in the kids.
When you assign blame following a 5 game losing streak, “players win games”, the comment displays a lack of leadership and is not “owning” the program.

Same with Leach’s comments, can’t win with 8 or 9 players. Leach wasn’t saying he had only 8 or 9 players with minimum skills to qualify for playing time. That the remaining roster weren’t qualified to contribute. He was saying it takes the contributions of an entire team to be successful.

by Tn Raider on Jan 2, 2012 9:15 AM CST up reply actions  

I like to think that I’m level headed enough to know that players is a big part of the equation, and if you give me some time to write, I’ll be writing quite a bit about the roster after signing day. I also think that coaching is a part of the equation too.

Go Raiders . . .
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by Seth C on Jan 2, 2012 9:21 AM CST up reply actions  

I don't understand

the benefit of making a statement like, “you can’t win with 7 or 8 players”. What good can this do to the moral and motivation of the roster?

I’ve posted before, strong recruiting is a minimum requirement for a seat at the CFB adult’s table. I think Tech has made some head-way here. Having said this, it also takes coaching / execution and a strong commitment by a team of roll-players as well.

by Tn Raider on Jan 2, 2012 9:28 AM CST up reply actions   2 recs

See your point ...

Recruiting is important … so is developing talent. Until two years ago, this was a part of our identity. I still don’t think Tubs understands who Tech is and how the Big 12 works. He has a hard time putting together a coherent game plan and makes in game adjustments that are just maddening.

There are plenty of times that a coach who just lost a game say something to the effect: “They just outcoached us. There game plan was better than ours. They made better adjustments and they were better prepared.”, so I don’t always buy that players win games.

If I could coach LSU or ’Bama’s players, I might lead them to 3-5 wins because I don’t have the know how to win against really good coaches.

by Arizona Raider on Jan 2, 2012 9:25 AM CST up reply actions  

while we might be a good/great team with LSU’s players, we will never have the same level of players.

Would tech be good/great if we had any NFL roster? Hell yes! but I don’t smoke crack, so I don’t expect this to happen either.

i like lose women

by freakinout on Jan 2, 2012 11:18 AM CST up reply actions   1 recs

LSU players

Would we still have a bad team, maybe not because Tubs waits for the players to inspire him. Seems our current players are not worthy of the benefit of the doubt that they may be able to win a game so why bother even trying to coach

Coaching is taking who & what you have and getting them in position (mentally, physically and strategically) to win. Good coaches teach competition, desire and a will to fight to the end ! He hasnt done any of those things.

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by Gus Mitchem on Jan 2, 2012 12:15 PM CST up reply actions  

If I am not mistaken you have to be that same person that post that same crap about swapping players with another team on the ESPN Big 12 blog.We are not another team,we don’t have other players and we have the coach that has been stuffed down our throats.Your analogy is totally unfounded and just plain ridiculous.Keep apologising! And keep enjoying this misery that you seem to enjoy.

by slycanyon on Jan 2, 2012 2:38 PM CST up reply actions  

Nope, not me

I don’t post on ESPN. Just calling people out. The funny responses are the 3 responses saying we would still be bad if we had all of LSU’s players and the one saying we would still be bad because of coaching.

The point is recruiting matters, coaching matters but it is a lot easier to coach highly talented players. Everyone here arguing against that point, argued for it in the past and will again as soon as Tuberville starts winning here or the next guy wins here.

I was just as disappointed in the football season as anyone else. I’m just not acting like everything is different all of a sudden just to vent frustration. We didn’t have nearly enough DTs or CBs. We didn’t have anyone on O that was unstoppable and we didn’t have a very good OL, but coaching was a part of it. Brown made terrible red zone decisions and Glasgow couldn’t come up with a game plan until half time.

Which brings up another ironic part about the whining. Tuberville replaced the coaches we complained about for lack of production and you guys whine because you fear it buys him more time here. You don’t care if the new coaches are successful, you just don’t want Tuberville.

The only consistency in in the anti Tuberville mob is they are consistently complaining, regardless of what he does. Just to add some humor. lol

by RHS on Jan 2, 2012 5:11 PM CST up reply actions  

You're right on so many levels here.

1) Recruiting does matter.
2) So does depth and play calling.
3) Tubs has fired the coaches that weren’t producing or didn’t agree with his philosophy (whatever that is)

Yet, in all of this he has yet to come out and take responsibility. He is always complaining and blaming. I get the impression that he thinks he has a teflon suit and nothing will stick to him because he has all the answers if:

1) he had the right players who had superior talent, solid technique, and able to motivate themselves
2) the right coaches
3) the right team chemistry
4) the right weather conditions
5) the right play calls and adjustments
6) the right special teams execution

Add this to battledome’s response.

by Arizona Raider on Jan 2, 2012 7:06 PM CST up reply actions  

My point is that an average or even below average team, playing inspired football, could and does beat a team of all 4 & 5 Star Athletes that lack a game day readiness.

So the talent level is irrelevant if the coach cant educate, inspire & prepare the team

College Football: "Our Traditions are now for Sale"
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"Well the ball just didnt bounce our way today" Tommy Tubervile, after decades of coaching experience, the best he can do ....................................................................................................................................
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by Gus Mitchem on Jan 3, 2012 2:31 PM CST up reply actions  

Nice Speculation

It is obvious that Tubs wanted Glascow gone. If he continues to say he wanted him to stay then he is either not very bright or is spinning the story.

You get somebody to want to leave your organization by taking away their power. As you stated it looks as this happened.

There are obviously two reasons why the situation played out as it did.

The difference between Glascow being fired and voluntarily leaving could have been a bunch of money. Glascow could have been smart enough to get the 3-4 year contract.

Also Tubs may not have wanted the “fired another assistant” on his table at this time. It would be an indicator to recruits that “you shouldn’t get attached to your coaches”

When you go back to the point of hire, Tubs does look like a good hire. But as we have moved forward it is easy to see that hiring an inactive head coach can have its problems in continuing a program or bring success in the short term. The experienced “good” assistant coaches he knew were under contract elsewhere, so he had to take a chance and things haven’t worked out.

Will Tubs turn it around? This is the question.

If he doesn’t – I would suggest hiring a young head coach that has a set of coordinators and position coaches who will come with him.

The trouble ain't that there is too many fools, but that the lightning ain't distributed right. -Mark Twain

by TotalDef on Jan 2, 2012 9:16 AM CST via mobile reply actions  

Good article on DCs

http://www.opposingviews.com/i/sports/ncaa-football/college-football-analysis-who-needs-defensive-coordinator

It starts with your hire at the coordinator spot folks, he is the man that will set your tone for the defensive side of the football. However, there is so much that goes into making a hire work it is about getting the right tone-setter for your atmosphere. Every guy doesn’t have to be a screamer or a major public persona to be successful.

"Appreciate the target you put on my back. Last time you did that, you almost got me fired." Tommy Tuberville 2006

by jdhud on Jan 2, 2012 9:28 AM CST reply actions  

Feldman played CB at North Carolina and does a great job at In the Bleachers.

Go Raiders . . .
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by Seth C on Jan 2, 2012 9:33 AM CST up reply actions  

Another Leach Comparison...

I know, I know, I’m sorry… but keep an open mind, because this one is apt. And I’m not bringing this up because he’s our former HC, I’m bringing it up because it’s a good example that I know well enough to talk about.

Seth writes:

it’s not as if there are ton of schools that are running the 4-2-5 so Tuberville’s coaching pool was somewhat limited, which again may be an issue with Tuberville making an attempt at something innovative that has backfired on him

In 1999 when Leach was hired, there were basically two Air Raid programs in all of college football – Kentucky (who won 6 games) and Oklahoma (who won 7). That’s not exactly a plethora of assistant coaches to choose from. Hell, he even retained Sonny Dykes to coach WRs and God knows Sonny had never even seen a shotgun formation at the time.

My point is that Leach knew what he wanted to offense to be, and because he was committed to a scheme and philosophy, he was able to teach his coaches exactly what he wanted from them. We haven’t seen that from Tuberville.

Some will say that this is Willis and Glasgow’s job, because Tommy is a CEO. But for the life of me, I can’t figure out what exactly a CEO coach does… other than shake hands and collect a paycheck.

by battledome on Jan 2, 2012 9:32 AM CST reply actions  

I think this takes me to a question i keep asking myself

and maybe it has been addressed in other posts – but…
Why isn’t Tubby the DC. If he is such a defensive genius, and his job is really on the line – why wouldn’t he step up and take over the defense.
Maybe if he were focused on the D, he would leave the O alone – potentially solving 2 problems

by tech 83 on Jan 2, 2012 10:28 AM CST up reply actions  

because he'd be accountable?

I’ve been asking the same thing.

"All I wanted was my icream cone and my little cream soda, oh well, oh well, oh well" White Stripes

by Red50cal. on Jan 2, 2012 10:37 AM CST up reply actions  

+ a billion

Get your kicks, on route 66...

by ReneR on Jan 2, 2012 12:53 PM CST up reply actions  

It’s a very Bush “your either with us or your with the terrorist” mentality. I for one am not happy with the way things are going at TTU right now, but I still hope for changed that will better the University

Get your kicks, on route 66...

by ReneR on Jan 2, 2012 12:56 PM CST up reply actions  

Commitment

"Unless commitment is made, there are only promises and hopes; but no plans." – Peter Drucker

I admit that I was often frustrated with Mike Leach and his Air-Raid offense and I still don’t think you can win championships with that approach. But he won a lot of games, put Tech football on the national map and did more with less than most coaches. The key was that he was totally committed to his philosophy. I just don’t see any commitment from Tubs. Sure he wants to run the ball more and play better defense and ultimately win championships. But there doesn’t seem to be any commitment, other than recruiting better players, toward reaching those lofty goals.

I think we’re just going through the motions now and will have to go through another season of 5-7 or worse before we can dump Tubs and start over.

"When you are right no one remembers, when you are wrong no one forgets."

by snc915 on Jan 2, 2012 9:45 AM CST reply actions   2 recs

Ring...ring

Good write Seth, and I speculate right along with you. Whether it happened this way or not to me is irevelant. What really gets my goat is whether Glascow did the dirty recruiting thing with Everett. Can’t abide that kind or thing. If it happened, I think any AD would see Glascow as too toxic to have around their program and he’ll be on the outside looking in for a while. As far as giving a HC a five year high five for a mediocre product, I think your read on this is right on given Hocutt’s history, 2012 is put up or shut up time. Tommy’s recruiting ideas probably changed a bit with the loss to KS and all their JUCO recruits. Realizing his recruiting horizon was closer to KS than the big three his direction changed. I hope Prunty can adapt to his vagaries. I’m certainly not one to put lipstick on a pig and despise those that do. It’s good to read and participate in such a well written blog that doesn’t whitewash the situation with this football program. The best to all in this new year.

by chuckvan on Jan 2, 2012 10:19 AM CST reply actions  

What scares me about the situation with Texas Tech football

is that there’s a reality gap of considerable size developing between what the powers that be are saying and what everyone else is seeing. In my experience that gap only occurs when serious dysfunction exists within an institution.

A coach with a childish or condescending PR strategy isn’t my issue; I don’t necessarily care that Tuberville thinks that I as a fan don’t know shit from Shinola because I don’t have access to his all-22 gametape and should be satisfied with any explanation he deigns to give to the media about what’s going on with his football team, but no one who treats the media and fans like Bill Belichick sticks around for very long unless they win as much as Bill Belichick (eg: every Belichick protege who’s ever gotten an HC position).

by mojavereject on Jan 2, 2012 10:22 AM CST reply actions  

I always thought that Tuberville would be adequate

as the coach of our boys. What he has done so far doesn’t quite live up to my expectations. I think his biggest mistake so far was allowing #82 to stay on the roster. Forget the details of that situation and you still cut anyone(star or bench warmer) that disrupts your program to the extent that team unity(players and coaches) is destroyed. The 8-5 2010 team loaded with returning starters was a disappointment and the 5-7 2011 team was an abomination. I won’t assign a win/loss value to 2012, but there must be a clear path forward and some movement in that direction. I do think that Tuberville is capable of leading us back to the middle of the pack in the Big 12. I see him as an intermediate step until we can find the next innovative coach that can do more with less.

Simple rule of thumb: Everything before the but is BS.

by FriscoRaider on Jan 2, 2012 10:24 AM CST reply actions  

Great evaluation and speculation

There is no doubt that some things went on behind the scenes in December of which we may never be fully aware. We all knew something needed to be done and it has, whether it be right or wrong. I am sure Tuberville is exploring all avenues to ensure he resolves this dilema he is now facing. He must improve the defense and the special teams and stabalize the offense. Just on the surface it appears his newest hires are going the direction he wants, whether that means having a run-based offense or a 4-3 defense. Like some here, I feel it would be wise for him to make himself the DC, too, and assign one of his new hires to the special teams, one that has successfully done it before. If he does this, he may not need another coach hire. But, that is his decision. However he handles it, I am sure this will be a telling season concerning his future as Texas Tech’s HC. All the other teams in the Big 12 will be capable of winning any game and Tech must be ready to do battle every week, taking no game for granted. Play each game like the other team is trying to steal your home and you must defeat them to prevent that from happening. In essence, that is exactly what Tubs will be facing this year.

As for you Seth. You are the rock of this blog and you handle thing as best as you can. You do not micro-manage. All of us, including you, have grown weary of the happenings at Tech over the last few years, including the Bob to Pat changeover, to the Leach firing, and to the underachievements in both areas. Basketball, it seems, is on the rise, while football must rise to keep pace. I hope all that has been done, and will be done, this off-season will get Tech football back to where we will all be a happy bunch of fans. Keep on with the straight-forward columns. We will all benefit. GO TECH!

TTpilk
"Never, never, never give up." Winston Churchill

by TTpilk645 on Jan 2, 2012 10:49 AM CST reply actions  

Great post!

Seth no matter what the facts are, the bottom line is Tuby will have three DC’s in three years and he is not being accountable and you nailed it!
His quote sounded like a used car salesman responding to a customer bringing back a lemon to the lot!
I don’t get to follow college football as much as I would like, who are some coaching candidates from say smaller schools that might want to make Tech home for a while?

by EDCNP on Jan 2, 2012 11:39 AM CST via mobile reply actions  

Tubs has managed the football team and coaches with what I call a shotgun approach

He fires and hope he hits something.

3 different defensive schemes in 3 years. If the 4-3 is what you understand and has worked for you in the past for you, why start with something different you have no idea about.

Looking at what Tubs has done here at Tech, I am wondering about his organizational skills. I also have questions about what his long term goals concerning what his team should and would look like in the future. Some kind of identity.

I have read enough post to tell that many of the readers and poster on this site are successful business men. Everyone of us know you have to organize and plan everyday for the future and have a vision of what your business will look like in the future.

Standing in front of a podium and saying I came to Lubbock to win championships then firing a shotgun and hoping you hit something is probably not going to cut it.

Seth good post. Thank you for your levelheadedness and what you do for DTN.

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by Extramp83 on Jan 2, 2012 11:42 AM CST reply actions  

Thanks

Can’t disagree with your analysis

Seth wrote,“Tuberville making an attempt at something innovative that has backfired on him.”
It seems to me that innovation is a good thing, however, Tubs history with trying to be innovative has, so far, ended with disaster. He seems to repeat the same mistake of not fully understanding what it takes to make the concept succeed. When things do not go as he expects he then attempts to right the ship by inserting bits and pieces from his previous successes that disrupt the original concept and creates a mish-mash that at best is half arsed.
I am hopeful that Holcut has the wherewithall and the backing to do the right thing for our University.
It also seems that Tubs has a propensity to deflect criticism from himself that will earn him the moniker of Teflon Tubs (sorry Seth, the devil made me do it)
Perhaps Tubs will maintain a modified form of the spread offense, and a more traditional 4-3 defense that will result in 6 or more wins this year, you could call me optimistically pessimistic.

by xwvr on Jan 2, 2012 11:42 AM CST reply actions  

I think I've seen enough of some of the "screaming meanies" ....

from other blogs, and even just comments on articles, etc. … to say " A lot of people ‘sneak’ over to DTN to see what’s really going on. So, you’ve read the ‘other’, been PR-ed. DTN keeps Tech football relevant … ’cause even us dogmatic stubborn resisters have respectable arguments to keep us hopeful.

by rose7 on Jan 2, 2012 12:34 PM CST reply actions   1 recs

three things to start off 2012

1)I’m looking to officially change my name to Bear Pascoe. Why? It’s badass, that’s why.
2)whats up with many writing holcutt instead of hocutt?
3) I wish Tubs felt the heat in Lubbock that he is with DTN. It is well deserved and he should be held accountable just as anyone else is at their job.

This is a 3 ring circus up in here......

by oldschoolraider on Jan 2, 2012 12:46 PM CST via iPhone app reply actions  

Kingsbury is getting lots of face time on tv at the TicketCity...

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by rindworld on Jan 2, 2012 1:35 PM CST reply actions  

Not that you can’t comment here, but I just put up a FanShot as an afternoon and evening open thread

http://www.doubletnation.com/2012/1/2/2677159/open-thread

Go Raiders . . .
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by Seth C on Jan 2, 2012 1:36 PM CST up reply actions  

Something I still want to now.

Since this is based on speculation(good read Seth),I want to know and I don’t see anywhere posted,Did Glasgow really tell the players after the OU win that they got lucky?That started a spark with the defensive players- well F-you Glasgow and lost touch with him?I would see why some players would be upset with that.You just got through playing the game of your lives beating the #2 team in the country to be told you got lucky!

I would like to know.

by slycanyon on Jan 2, 2012 2:47 PM CST reply actions  

For a head coach he is just clueless

This is a preseason quote on the 4-2-5

“The type of players in this league force you to run a lot of nickel defenses, and that’s pretty much what a 4-2-5 defense is,” Tuberville said. I guess he didn’t do his homework.

I guess whenever he gets enough “his” players we will see what “his” system will do. I always thought that a “good” coach did whatever if takes to get the players into the best possible situation for the player to be successful.

Just wait till next year, or the year after.

by DWave on Jan 2, 2012 2:51 PM CST reply actions  

2011 Was Disappointing,

But so were 2010 and 2009. I still intend to buy season tickets for 2012 and attend as many home and away games as possible.

However, this coaching staff must get this team on the same page and show improvement. I have faith in their ability to recruit, but the performance on the field must improve to justify my expenditure of time and money to attend the games. Say what you will about Leach, the entertainment value of the product was very high. Boring and losing football cannot make me spend time on it. I have too many other demands on my time and resources.

This staff hasn’t had enough time for me to render a final judgment on their ability to make Texas Tech a winning or championship caliber program. The Red Raider fanbase makes many mountains out of what I believe are molehills. However, next year’s team is Tuberville’s. The performance of that 2012 team should provide an indication of whether this staff is up to the mark. I’m going to root for him and the Red Raiders to win because that is what I/we ultimately want.

by EPRAIDER82 on Jan 2, 2012 3:04 PM CST reply actions  

2009 disappointing?

9 wins in a rebuilding year?…..I would kill for that right now.

by Bryan Moore on Jan 2, 2012 4:32 PM CST up reply actions  

In 2009,

I was disappointed with the team and I think most fans were. If you went to Houston and watched Tech lose in the sweltering Cougar High stadium, that would have had a great impact on your view. In 2009 over the course of the season, it appeared that Leach was losing control over the team and he had his first QB controversy. Believe me when I say I loved Leach and would prefer he was still coaching and we all were united and optimistic. But, Leach is gone and he’s not coming back.

We’ve got what we’ve got and I still want Texas Tech to be successful. I’m not shoveling dirt on the program when I think it is still too early to tell what the ultimate outcome is going to be with the Tuberville regime. Recruit one or two great leaders and this whole team can change overnight. I was a freshman in 1976 and Tech became a national championship caliber team overnight when Rodney Allison became the QB after the starting QB was injured at A&M in the first conference game. Who knew?

Baylor was the pits for twenty years and got RGIII. They won ten games this year. Before RG III did you think that would hapen ever again? Really? Tech lost several close games and lost fourteen starters/regulars to injury over the course of the year. Success may be closer than people realize. I do not believe the situation is optimal. I also do not believe the sky is faling.

by EPRAIDER82 on Jan 2, 2012 8:21 PM CST up reply actions   2 recs

Agree

2009 was horrible

Started in November of 2008
The masacre (on the national stage, for the South Title) in Norman

Then in 2009
Still Cant win a Cotton Bowl !
Our Coach grandstanding after those two losses during contract negotiations
The loss in Houston -a sweaty Ruffin and a flustered ML at the hands of U of H
The aggies owning the Jones stadium

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"Well the ball just didnt bounce our way today" Tommy Tubervile, after decades of coaching experience, the best he can do ....................................................................................................................................
Blaze a trail, spend some time in West Texas, feel the sand sting your skin and burn your eyes, let the winter dry your hands, learn that its there only because our ancestors didn’t want to be around other people … that’s West Texas

by Gus Mitchem on Jan 3, 2012 2:36 PM CST up reply actions  

You're right - Worse year of my life

DATE OPPONENT RESULT/TIME RECORD/TICKETS
Sat, Sept 5 vsNorth Dakota W38-13 1-0 (0-0)
Sat, Sept 12 vsRice W55-10 2-0 (0-0)
Sat, Sept 19 @#2 Texas L34-24 2-1 (0-1)
Sat, Sept 26 @#17 Houston L29-28 2-2 (0-1)
Sat, Oct 3 vsNew Mexico W48-28 3-2 (0-1)
Sat, Oct 10 vsKansas State W66-14 4-2 (1-1)
Sat, Oct 17 @#15 Nebraska W31-10 5-2 (2-1)
Sat, Oct 24 vsTexas A&M L52-30 5-3 (2-2)
Sat, Oct 31 vsKansas W42-21 6-3 (3-2)
Sat, Nov 14 @#19 Oklahoma State L24-17 6-4 (3-3)
Sat, Nov 21 vsOklahoma W41-13 7-4 (4-3)
Sat, Nov 28 vsBaylor* W20-13 8-4 (5-3)
VALERO ALAMO BOWL
Sat, Jan 2 vsMichigan State* W41-31 9-4 (5-3)

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by mbrown603 on Jan 3, 2012 3:31 PM CST up reply actions  

There was a lot of disappointment expressed on the message boards that I read with the losses to

Texas, Houston, and Oklahoma State….lots of people were thinking we would be much better that that, as good as we were.

Looking back, we would all love to have that kind of win rate.

Living large in Texas...Texas forever.

by TallMike on Jan 3, 2012 9:56 PM CST up reply actions  

Excellent writeup Seth.

You’re absolutely right, he needs to own this mofo or step aside and let somebody else do it.

I couldn’t blame Glasgow for leaving, there are fans jumping ship at this point and they’re not even collecting a paycheck. Just a weird scenario…

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by KWashburn on Jan 2, 2012 3:43 PM CST reply actions  

Seth, great job!

It’s nice not to read “party line” or PR’d oriented commentary like we see on the other Tech fan sites. Here we can actually discuss things in depth and talk about the sides of the story that maybe the “powers-that-be” don’t want aired. Too bad we don’t see other site owner/editors show the kind of guts that Seth’s showing, but I’m grateful we have that here at DTN. Thanks, Seth!

For myself, I think this Tuberville saga has got a lot of twists and turns to go, and could get ugly as the year goes on. Don’t feel Tubs has any kind of a handle on things, and I’m sure not the only person who’s lost faith in him. Like others have said, I don’t think he’s a bad man but I think he’s a “bad wizard”(coach) right now. I don’t believe he’ll recover.

by djn on Jan 2, 2012 6:52 PM CST reply actions  

Tubs

Tubs is doing what he should have. Bring in what he wants instead of pandering to the fans. If it doesn’t work then he’s gone. But if you trusted him enough to hire him then he should of hired his guys at first.

by Tobywayne10 on Jan 2, 2012 10:44 PM CST up reply actions  

I didn't hire him...

the guys that fired the Cap’n hired Tubs. Also, they told Tubs that he had to keep the Air Raid in place as a condition of employment.

Did Tubs do the right thing? I don’t really fault him on the Brown hire, as it seems our O has been productive (for the most part). I don’t understand why he’s not made the D his priority, since that’s his background and experience. I don’t really think we’re having this discussion if he’d brought in coaches that share his philosophy in defense. Maybe he tried—we don’t know. But defense has been his real Achilles heel, in my opinion. I guess we’ll see what happens this year, but I don’t see much hope he’s learned from his experiences. BTW, the only pandering Tubs and Co need to do is to win games. That’s all that matters right now.

by djn on Jan 3, 2012 1:00 AM CST up reply actions  

I don't know djn

I heard you DID hire Tubs…just sayin’…

Die-hard Texas Tech girl & new Cougar (fan)! Bring it!

by Austin, Tx on Jan 3, 2012 9:30 PM CST up reply actions  

Not me, Austin

Did you lure him here, with promises of tacos and championships?

by djn on Jan 3, 2012 11:56 PM CST up reply actions  

Ha, ha!

NO! He wasn’t my first choice. But since he’s here, I really hope he’s able to get things turned around this year.

Maybe we should tell him about Rosa’s? Taco’s couldn’t hurt…

Die-hard Texas Tech girl & new Cougar (fan)! Bring it!

by Austin, Tx on Jan 4, 2012 10:21 AM CST up reply actions  

Can't stand Rosa's

I wish we had a Taco Cabana in the Hub. My favorite fast food tacos.

by djn on Jan 4, 2012 7:26 PM CST up reply actions  

Great effort Seth!

A couple of times a year, I start typing things like this out and get about halfway in then junk it. It takes tremendous effort not to talk your self into thinking it would be purposeless effort, all things considered. I am going to re-read it for full value and only then scan the comments.

by Raider289 on Jan 2, 2012 7:00 PM CST reply actions  

I almost chunked it this morning after writing 3 drafts this weekend.

Go Raiders . . .
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by Seth C on Jan 2, 2012 7:23 PM CST up reply actions  

I am glad you didn't ...

Thanks for you diligence and passion for Tech sports. This place is unique.

by Arizona Raider on Jan 2, 2012 7:25 PM CST up reply actions  

Coach In Waiting !

Kingsbury takes job at A&M !
The education and training continue for the real job ahead !!!

by JDOHOUSTON on Jan 2, 2012 8:44 PM CST reply actions  

Wish

I wish we would of brought him in two years ago.

by Tobywayne10 on Jan 2, 2012 10:41 PM CST up reply actions  

Seems weird...

To see Kliff coaching at Aggieland after watching his heroics at Kyle Field 10 years ago (and getting his ass beat up by the Ags in 2000). But no more than watching him coach against us at UH. That’s coaching, and Kliff’s gonna learn from the best guys in the business. The experience will come in handy.

by djn on Jan 3, 2012 1:04 AM CST up reply actions  

Kingsbury

He is a central Texas guy, not too sure he would be so willing to return to the South Plains

College Football: "Our Traditions are now for Sale"
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"Well the ball just didnt bounce our way today" Tommy Tubervile, after decades of coaching experience, the best he can do ....................................................................................................................................
Blaze a trail, spend some time in West Texas, feel the sand sting your skin and burn your eyes, let the winter dry your hands, learn that its there only because our ancestors didn’t want to be around other people … that’s West Texas

by Gus Mitchem on Jan 3, 2012 2:37 PM CST up reply actions  

Tubbs

Its hard to argue Tubbs hasn’t been outcoached in several games. But this is his second full class coming in. You have to give him next year. If he shows progress he stays. If not he goes. Maybe Dykes at that point. But for now he deserves one more year.

by Tobywayne10 on Jan 2, 2012 10:40 PM CST reply actions  

Its not so much the scores and W/Ls but the lack or effort. If we had a team that had great fundamentals and was fighting every game but just coming short.

Thats quite different than the cluster currently on the field (Lack of effort, zero passion, piss poor fundamentals, like catching kickoffs, tackeling, blocking on FGs

College Football: "Our Traditions are now for Sale"
.....................................................................................

"Well the ball just didnt bounce our way today" Tommy Tubervile, after decades of coaching experience, the best he can do ....................................................................................................................................
Blaze a trail, spend some time in West Texas, feel the sand sting your skin and burn your eyes, let the winter dry your hands, learn that its there only because our ancestors didn’t want to be around other people … that’s West Texas

by Gus Mitchem on Jan 3, 2012 2:40 PM CST up reply actions  

I gotta say

Nice job Seth. This being one of the more prominent Tech sports blogs, I know you prob get a lot of pressure from different groups to spin things in a certain light or not talk so much about this or that. Thanks for sticking to your guns and not letting any particular group influence the way you feel or write about TTU athletics. You don’t have to “be more positive” about Tech football at the expense of truth and accurate evaluation of the state of the program. I’ve never been one that buys into the notion that to be a true fan, you have to agree with any and all decisions made by an organization and can never question those in charge. I, for one, am glad there’s a place like DTN that accurately analyzes the program without influence from the program itself. Keep speaking the truth brother!

by ttuvault615 on Jan 3, 2012 12:56 PM CST reply actions   2 recs

Rec this

cuz I can say “rec this” here!

"Nothing can bring you peace but the triumph of principles." ~ RW Emerson

by raider realist on Jan 3, 2012 3:40 PM CST up reply actions  

We will hit 'em we will rec 'em

Hit ’em rec ’em Texas Tech and the victory bells will ring out.

"...Fight for the school we love so dearly"

by mbrown603 on Jan 3, 2012 3:44 PM CST up reply actions  

I'll give you a "this", a "rec'd" and raise you a "+1"

Die-hard Texas Tech girl & new Cougar (fan)! Bring it!

by Austin, Tx on Jan 3, 2012 9:32 PM CST up reply actions  

Rec' em Tech!

I just love watching posts turn green.

by djn on Jan 3, 2012 11:58 PM CST up reply actions  

From this day forward blackbeard

anyone who corrects spelling, grammar, punctuation, etc. shall be referred to as, “a Kyle”. As in, “don’t be a Kyle, you knew what I meant”. Agree?

Die-hard Texas Tech girl & new Cougar (fan)! Bring it!

by Austin, Tx on Jan 4, 2012 10:23 AM CST up reply actions  

Would appreciate it if we would not poke fun of other administrators of SB Nation blogs as it sorta puts me in a bad position. They get to run their blog however they want, there is no right or wrong way to do this.

Go Raiders . . .
Double-T Nation

by Seth C on Jan 4, 2012 10:41 AM CST up reply actions  

I meant Kyle from Southpark...reallly...

Dang…I come back and already get in trouble… Sorry, Seth.

Die-hard Texas Tech girl & new Cougar (fan)! Bring it!

by Austin, Tx on Jan 4, 2012 1:29 PM CST up reply actions  

Well said ttuvault615 - TOTALLY agree

Independent thought, yes I support it. There, I said it. I’m out of the closet.

Like blackbeard, I also appreciate that you don’t kount of for spellin, gramer and punkuascion.

Die-hard Texas Tech girl & new Cougar (fan)! Bring it!

by Austin, Tx on Jan 3, 2012 9:35 PM CST up reply actions  

Great Job Seth

Not only on this article, but you put a tremenous amount of effort into this thing and I thoroughly enjoy it almost every day – so THANK YOU and please keep up the great work.

by JohnGoTech on Jan 3, 2012 8:01 PM CST reply actions  

I am begining to think that the 4-3 defense is the one coach T wanted all along.

We there not some confusion when the 3-4 was introduced, I clearly remember there was when the 4-2 was introduced?

If so, then I believe there is a connect between the defense that was actually run and the job security of the DC.

Living large in Texas...Texas forever.

by TallMike on Jan 3, 2012 9:58 PM CST reply actions  

perhaps he is

lessdicksick er dyslestic

i'm back bitches.....................deal with it.

by blackbeard on Jan 4, 2012 6:36 AM CST up reply actions  

Are you kidding....? (meant in a nice way)

I just can’t get my brain around how or why anyone would travel the path we have with our Defense over the past 2 years… the only thing that makes any sense to me is that there’s a fair amount of ignorance and/or incompetence in there somewhere…

"Transition is hard." - TT

by Houston Raider on Jan 4, 2012 10:53 AM CST up reply actions  

look on the top step of the belltower.

i'm back bitches.....................deal with it.

by blackbeard on Jan 4, 2012 1:09 PM CST up reply actions  

I don't think Tubberville isn't owning the situation

Unfortunately over Tubberville’s time as Tech’s coach I believe that they have fallen victim to the “next bright mind out there” instead of hiring people that fits the institution of Tech. When Leach was there nothing was done that he didn’t want to be done. I think in order for Tubberville to succeed the same must be done and these hirings are the start.

Im actually interested and honestly a little excited to see Tech go back to some more traditional offenses approach. Especially with the young running backs we have. No one can do the spread like leach, and I think that has been proven over the past two seasons.

On defense, while obviously it was a total disaster, lets not forget that it did work. Somehow it beat Oklahoma and didn’t embarrass itself against Kansas State or Texas A&M. So I don’t think the 4-2-5 in itself was a failure. With that being said, the only four teams who run the traditional spread now are W Va. Mizzou, Baylor and Ok State. Five teams are more balanced and I think the switch will be worth it in the long run.

Hopefully the recruits we have stay and hopefully Tubbs and whoever he hires can get the kids to make leaps in the offseason. I think the main thing that Glasgow preached and that Tubberville wanted will stay the same through the switch, play fast and don’t think, react.

by JSlotter on Jan 4, 2012 2:26 AM CST reply actions  

Its been quite a few years

since a traditional offense won the big 12. This is a spread conference. Just look at O-state. They don’t get any better recruits than we do as a whole, and they get much worse recruiting than UT, OU. They win because they have a really good coach that thinks outside the box. If we try to line up against OU and Texas and pound it down their throats, we’re gonna be in big trouble. And if Tubs tries to leave the spread behind, this thing could get much uglier than it was this year. I love your optimism but Tubs is gonna have to learn to win the big 12 way, not the SEC way.

by ttuvault615 on Jan 4, 2012 2:21 PM CST up reply actions  

I understand

and Oklahoma State got lucky that every team in the Big XII decided to, for lack of a better term, shit the bed in the same year. In a normal Big XII year they probably don’t win 10 games. But that’s just my opinion.

I’m not saying we should abandon the spread, but maybe somewhere along the balance that K-State has brought. They don’t get as many good recruits either, but have a very solid D and a good mix on offense. Obviously it takes a certain QB to run their offense but I think Tech can have that balance with Doege and especially Scotty Young (who I am very excited to see in the coming years).

by JSlotter on Jan 5, 2012 12:28 AM CST up reply actions  

Collin Klein

threw for 1745 yards this season. I really hope we in no way resemble the K-state offense anytime soon, except for how many W’s are in the win column. No offense to K-state and what they did this year, but I don’t think that kind of offense gets 10 wins in the BIG 12 most seasons.

by ttuvault615 on Jan 6, 2012 4:39 PM CST up reply actions  

" Five teams are more balanced"

Leach always defined balanced as equal number of touches by all skill players. It just stands to reason that if those touches are in “space” with limited traffic in front of the ball the odds of a successful play is greater that running thru a congested line.

We ought to Haboob his ass

by blackbeard on Jan 4, 2012 2:43 PM CST up reply actions  

Dana

Yeah, the f-er has a girl name, and he’s kicking Clemson’s ass. We’ve reached our turning point and there’s no going back. Mary Spaeth knows the correct way to hold her fork, but as for college football, she doesn’t know her ass from a hole in the ground.

by Pancho on Jan 4, 2012 9:40 PM CST via iPhone app reply actions  

Oh yeah, that's freakin' quaint all right

Quaint as a rattlesnake, that is. And thanks in part (allegedly) to her compadres, it was NOT A MERRIE CHRISTMAS IN RAIDERLAND! (nyuknyuknyuknyuk, as befits a “Skipshot!”)

by djn on Jan 5, 2012 1:15 AM CST reply actions  

Good for Dana & Co

Can just imagine the schooling he’d give Tubs if we played WVU next year. (We give up 98 points and Tubs says in post-game “Yup, that’s lots of points but it’s still not MANLY to throw the football! Gotta RUN IT—yeeeeeeeehaaaaaawwwwwww!”)

by djn on Jan 5, 2012 1:18 AM CST reply actions  

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